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How Filmmakers Turn Meetups Into Paid Work · Studio B Sessions

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Vipul Bindra: Hey, welcome to another episode of Studio B Sessions with me, Bindra.
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Vipul Bindra: And today we've got an awesome guest, Elias or Elias.
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Vipul Bindra: And thanks for driving.
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Vipul Bindra: I know you drove quite far, so you're a videographer, filmmaker, photographer.
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Vipul Bindra: I mean, what do you not do?
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Vipul Bindra: Production company owner, right?
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Elias Andres: Yeah.
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Elias Andres: Uh I try not to edit.
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Elias Andres: That's the one thing I'm trying to get away from.
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Vipul Bindra: That's awesome.
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Vipul Bindra: And like always, we have Mario on the producer desk.
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Vipul Bindra: Thank you, Mario, again, for helping us.
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Mario Rangel: Hey guys, nice to see you again.
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Vipul Bindra: Thank you, Mario.
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Vipul Bindra: All right.
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Vipul Bindra: So uh tell me more.
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Vipul Bindra: I mean, obviously, we work together indirectly in a way, and we'll talk about that.
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Elias Andres: But tell me more.
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Elias Andres: Yeah.
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Elias Andres: So uh I'm a uh filmmaker and photographer based out of West Palm Beach.
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Elias Andres: I've been born and raised there.
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Elias Andres: I'm actually here with my partner.
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Elias Andres: He's off camera, but uh his name is Eric, and together we own a production company called Digital Artisans.
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Elias Andres: We started we started right after high school.
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Elias Andres: So our high school was actually a film school.
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Elias Andres: It's actually, I think, one of the at least at that time, was the only like film school that was a high school.
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Elias Andres: So they had a whole production lot.
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Elias Andres: They had uh the teachers there were actually professors at the local college.
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Elias Andres: So we were getting like taught college level, you know, classes in high school for free.
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Vipul Bindra: That's pretty cool.
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Vipul Bindra: I've never heard of that.
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Vipul Bindra: So this is where West Palm Beach again?
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, West Palm Beach.
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Vipul Bindra: Yep.
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Vipul Bindra: Oh, that's pretty cool school.
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Vipul Bindra: So so that's how you got into it?
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Elias Andres: Yeah, well, actually, it's like so.
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Elias Andres: When we were when I was gonna go into high school, I was gonna go to my local high school.
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Elias Andres: Um, but in middle school, like at eighth grade, when you know, like the high schools come and like try to like poach you and stuff like that.
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Elias Andres: Uh G Star came and they were like, Oh, yeah, we do video, we do photography.
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Elias Andres: And at that time, YouTube was like a new thing.
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Elias Andres: And so me and my part, my buddy, we made a quick YouTube video with a few friends at the park and posted on YouTube the next day, and literally everybody in the school saw it.
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Elias Andres: Oh, really?
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Elias Andres: Even the teachers, like everybody saw it.
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Elias Andres: You know, the next day everyone was like, Oh my god, that video.
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Elias Andres: And you know, this was like it kind of go like viral or yeah, it went viral, yeah.
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Elias Andres: And then we were like, oh wow, people actually can watch this and we can make stuff, and it was all digital.
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Elias Andres: It was Windows Movie Maker.
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Elias Andres: It was like
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Vipul Bindra: Wow, how long ago was this?
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Elias Andres: This was uh 2009, 2008.
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Vipul Bindra: Wow, that's a long time.
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Elias Andres: It was a long time ago, and uh yeah, we were like, we can actually do this.
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Elias Andres: And when this film school came, we were like, oh, we'll give you like professional great stuff, you'll use like real things, you have actors, because the high school actually has an acting uh department as well, so you would like have actors there ready for you, you have like sets, everything.
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Elias Andres: And so I was like, all right, let's do it.
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Elias Andres: You know, why not?
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Elias Andres: And so it was me, my my buddy, and another person that went to that school, and everybody else went to a local school.
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Elias Andres: And from there, like I got taught everything like movie making, uh directing, editing, all that stuff.
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Elias Andres: And slowly they had a photography class show up, and then so I took that too, and I just learned everything from there.
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Elias Andres: And it was it was amazing like to have the opportunity right in my backyard, like right there.
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Vipul Bindra: That's really awesome, yeah.
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Vipul Bindra: And uh, you know, what's crazy, uh I want to talk about like how we met, and I love um shouting out the again, the networking group that David built.
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Vipul Bindra: Uh so again, we I run Bindro Bindra Productions, my company, and then you know, we we technically offer people video and photo, but you know, I specialize in video, I don't do photo.
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Vipul Bindra: Uh, so I love to you know find people in my network that we that can come in and help my clients do photos because let's be real, clients want the same vendor to handle both, you know, photo and video.
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Vipul Bindra: Right.
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Vipul Bindra: So so it's really cool uh to be able to partner.
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Vipul Bindra: And I needed someone, I think one of my older clients came back and he was like, hey, I just need photo, which is not common, but uh, you know, usually they want photo and video, and you know, and I'm happy to oblige because at the end of the day, you know, sure it's not a lot of money because I'm passing the majority of the income to someone else.
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Vipul Bindra: Uh, but you know, as a company, I want to be able to help them.
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Vipul Bindra: And plus, I can then send money to my network is better than then some random photographer they find, right?
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Vipul Bindra: Both ways, I find it a positive.
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Vipul Bindra: So anyway, uh my client came back and uh he wanted photography for an event, and I was looking for someone who's closer to Miami, and then your name uh came up in that group.
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Vipul Bindra: And so I hired you a few different times, even though we had not met in person.
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Vipul Bindra: Obviously, we had spoken on the phone and it went great.
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Vipul Bindra: The client obviously loved it.
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Vipul Bindra: Uh so here we are.
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Vipul Bindra: Now I know we are gonna be working again in the future where you're gonna be doing the same thing for me.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, but it's good to actually meet in person and connect versus you know, I've obviously I've hired you, but we never actually got to meet.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
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Vipul Bindra: Uh, but that's the power of networking, you know.
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Vipul Bindra: You don't even have to meet somebody in person to be able to pass off work and yeah, be able to make money from each other.
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Elias Andres: Yeah, I actually met you twice, so I moved to the first.
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Elias Andres: Yeah.
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Elias Andres: Okay, now I feel bad.
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Elias Andres: All right, hold on.
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Elias Andres: Okay, so where did we meet?
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Elias Andres: Tell tell people that.
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Elias Andres: So the first, the very first Orlando meetup, I think you were there, huh?
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Vipul Bindra: Yes, yeah.
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Vipul Bindra: No, but the first meetup was just five guys.
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Vipul Bindra: So it wasn't the first one.
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Vipul Bindra: It wasn't at that rooftop bar?
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Vipul Bindra: No, that wasn't the first one.
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Vipul Bindra: See, I was there the first one, but that was like very small.
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Vipul Bindra: It was like me, David, Adam, Emmanuel, Doron, I think.
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Vipul Bindra: And uh, it was like it was very small.
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Vipul Bindra: But yes, I I do remember the rooftop one.
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Vipul Bindra: You're talking about the one in Winter Garden, right?
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
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Vipul Bindra: You know what?
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Vipul Bindra: I remember you now because I remember David saying, Yeah, somebody drove from West Palm Beach here.
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Vipul Bindra: That was you, man.
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Elias Andres: Yeah, it was me and my buddy, yeah.
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Elias Andres: We drove.
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Elias Andres: We oh come on, okay.
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Elias Andres: Now we're okay.
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Elias Andres: See, this is what we have to connect.
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Elias Andres: There we go.
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Elias Andres: So yeah, so not day one, day two, maybe I guess.
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Elias Andres: But yeah, yeah.
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Vipul Bindra: So I meant I saw you there, but yeah, like I was talking to David, and I talked to a few other guys, and it's just you know, you were talking to a whole bunch of people, so we just didn't have yeah, time to like just exactly because I don't remember having a but that's what happens at one of these see, like I said, it started so small, but now it's grown so big that most of the last few ones I've gone in, I haven't been able to talk to everyone.
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Vipul Bindra: But I think that is why I think more and more people need to do this in their community.
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Vipul Bindra: You need to do in West Palm Beach.
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Vipul Bindra: And uh, I know David's trying to do this nationwide because the whole thing is you know, in filmmaking, tell me if you believe it the same way.
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Vipul Bindra: It's all about networking, it's who you know.
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Vipul Bindra: It uh skills are important, obviously, you have to do a good job, but most of the who do you know?
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Vipul Bindra: Because if that person doesn't know you're doing what you're doing, then you're not gonna get the job, right?
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Vipul Bindra: So, majority of the thing is just networking, and events like this, I think, are perfect because you know you're meeting a-like-minded people, you're making friends, you're you're you're just chatting and building a network, but then next thing you know, people are passing off work and you're making money off of them.
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Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
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Elias Andres: So, actually, we do have we me and my buddy, we set up a West Palm Beach version.
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Elias Andres: It's a little small right now.
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Elias Andres: We only had one meeting, but yeah, we're trying to do that too.
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Elias Andres: And actually, I joined another group called DTS.
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Elias Andres: Okay.
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Elias Andres: So draft to screen.
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Elias Andres: So it's a it's just a bunch of filmmakers coming together, and what we're doing is right now we have like 30 people, and everyone just brings in their talent, like whether you're an audio guy, makeup person, actor, director, editor, writer, we all get together and we go and pitch.
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Elias Andres: So, like, if you want to pitch, you could go up and go in front of everyone and say, Hey, this is my idea uh of a short film or feature.
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Elias Andres: This is the story, the plot line, blah, blah, blah.
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Elias Andres: And then you're like, All right, can anyone help me?
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Elias Andres: And uh so far it's been successful.
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Elias Andres: We've been starting to like everyone just meets up.
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Elias Andres: We meet every two weeks, so every Thursday, uh, every other Thursday.
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Elias Andres: And it's been amazing.
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Elias Andres: It's like everyone just comes together and just like, you know, gets creative, and then afterwards, everyone just keeps talking, like, oh, what do you do?
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Elias Andres: What do you do?
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Elias Andres: And it's it's amazing because it's like, you know, that there's so many people that want to do something, but we can't, we need a team.
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Elias Andres: Yeah, you need that, and you need a passionate team.
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Elias Andres: Exactly.
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Elias Andres: You know, you need someone who is like, oh, okay, we're gonna shoot for 12 hours, we're gonna shoot for 18 hours.
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Elias Andres: All right, I guess I guess that's fine.
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Elias Andres: Like, I have work in the morning, but I guess I'll get like four hours of sleep, and then uh yeah, hey, it's all for the passion.
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Elias Andres: Yeah, and so that's where I think it's important to get that networking group that people like yourself that wants to create, you know.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and at the end of the day, you never know who's gonna go where.
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Vipul Bindra: And usually, at least again, and this is why I like to find common thread, common people that like each other, because usually people will take uh everyone above.
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Vipul Bindra: So let's say, because you know, there is a factor of not everyone's gonna find the biggest success.
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Vipul Bindra: But if you're talented, you have a core group of people that you like to work with and create something awesome.
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Vipul Bindra: Let's say somebody gets a huge project, guess who's the who they're bringing?
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Vipul Bindra: They're bringing their core group of people.
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Vipul Bindra: So now you never know.
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Vipul Bindra: Any one person or two people in the group can lift the whole group up.
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Vipul Bindra: So there's there's more power to networking.
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Vipul Bindra: A, obviously, like you said, you friendship, uh, you know, building a like-minded group.
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Vipul Bindra: But the the business side of it is as long as you know you you find your group, you do good job, you do good work together, not everyone now has to then be a good at business person, right?
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because you can now lift each other up.
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Vipul Bindra: If one person finds it, you need people, like you said, it's a collaborative industry.
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Vipul Bindra: Right.
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Vipul Bindra: So who are you gonna call?
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Vipul Bindra: You're gonna call people in your group, right?
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Vipul Bindra: Then random strangers that you don't know if they're good or not, right?
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Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
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Elias Andres: And I think that's a good point because I'm I will admit I'm not that great at business.
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Elias Andres: I'm a good creative, I'm good at camera, I'm good at photography, I'm good at all that stuff.
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Elias Andres: But business is one of the things I I kind of like, you know, it's like my weak point.
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Vipul Bindra: And that's very important, right?
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Vipul Bindra: So that's why you want to partner with someone who's like good at who's like, yes, I'll go get the business and we can both create it together, right?
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Vipul Bindra: I think that's and that's exactly why you need like-minded people.
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Vipul Bindra: Because if you're not good at business, it doesn't matter how good you're creative, you're not gonna last.
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Vipul Bindra: But same thing the other way.
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Vipul Bindra: Let's say you're really good at business and you get all the leads, now you can't deliver, you're not gonna get them again.
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Vipul Bindra: So it's like uh you need to be good at both.
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Vipul Bindra: And if you're not, which is okay in my opinion, yeah because not everyone knows everything, you partner with people, right?
9:58
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, you delegate, you know, yeah, exactly.
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Elias Andres: You you get people that know more than you do, you know, in certain areas.
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Elias Andres: And yeah, I think that's one of those things you learn in the beginning is like you think you could do everything, and technically you can, but you could do it good.
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Elias Andres: Yeah.
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Elias Andres: Now, if you want to do it great, you need other people that are not gonna be like tired, like, oh, I only got two hours of sleep, and now I gotta do another shoot.
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Elias Andres: Exactly.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you definitely want a good talented people, and also uh, I like the advantage of your own group is you don't get pigeonholed.
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Vipul Bindra: For example, I've noticed what happens is let's say you work with somebody new and they hire you as a photographer.
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Vipul Bindra: Right.
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Vipul Bindra: Then in their brain, you're a photographer.
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Vipul Bindra: They're not like, oh, he can also do video, right?
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Vipul Bindra: Right.
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Vipul Bindra: And then you get hired, let's say, as a gaffer.
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Vipul Bindra: They're like, oh, this guy only knows lighting.
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Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
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Vipul Bindra: It happens versus with your group.
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Vipul Bindra: Somebody knows, like, oh my god, he's good at this, this, this.
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Vipul Bindra: So they know where to plug you and they're not pigeonholing you, right?
10:47
Vipul Bindra: Right.
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Vipul Bindra: Uh, and and that's not even a fault of someone.
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Vipul Bindra: I'm just saying people hire you for something, they just associate that with you, and then you can sometimes lose on jobs, even though the people may like you because they have no idea that, oh, no, he's really good at video too.
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Vipul Bindra: Oh, he's really good at I don't know, grip too, or whatever, right?
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, so uh so that so that's why I think that's another advantage of your group because you can do in these niche roles.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, somebody's like, Oh, I only need a PA today, and you're like, sure, but that doesn't mean you're uh normally a PA, right?
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Vipul Bindra: You normally could be a videographer or whatever, or camera operator and and whatever.
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Vipul Bindra: So so they're not gonna pigeonhole you because they know you, they're they're like, Oh yeah, it's my buddy.
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Vipul Bindra: He's just helping out today.
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Vipul Bindra: Obviously, that's not what he does all the time, right?
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so I think that's an another advantage of of networking, but like just look at us.
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Vipul Bindra: You got this job only because, like I said, we met, but to be honest, I didn't even remember.
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Vipul Bindra: But because in that group, uh we were able to connect again, right?
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Elias Andres: Yeah, and actually I had to be proactive because you post you you put it in the group chat, like, hey, I need someone, and I immediately reply within I think like 30 seconds or something.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and that's how it is.
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Vipul Bindra: People are worlds, man.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but but that's a good thing, to be honest.
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Vipul Bindra: Like I said, and I trust the group more because I know if somebody's in that group, they've been to a David's meetup, right?
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Vipul Bindra: They have been vetted, and somewhat, you know, and plus you know, I'd rather again give work with the people um that are you know like-minded in the same group, they're like, you know, in the same network.
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Vipul Bindra: And then once we talked on the phone, I was like, Oh yeah, of course I gotta hire this guy, right?
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and then obviously, but the weird part was I wasn't there.
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Vipul Bindra: So how did that go the project go?
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Vipul Bindra: What would you say?
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Elias Andres: Yeah, the project went well, you know, like they had their own production team over there, and so I just they just kind of like put me into the little square peg, and I was like, all right, I'm in.
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Elias Andres: Exactly.
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Elias Andres: You know, so it was good, like everything went smoothly.
12:34
Elias Andres: It was a conference for some like medical company or something like that.
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Elias Andres: Yeah, it was good.
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Elias Andres: Like I had no complaints, like it was just like, okay, you can do A, B, and C and just do your thing.
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Elias Andres: There you go.
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Vipul Bindra: And that's sometimes is all it is.
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Vipul Bindra: And like I said, for me, it was uh uh a big you know relief to have somebody there I trust uh that's gonna do a good job.
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Vipul Bindra: And then you know, I'm just helping out the client to me was like a side thing, but it was really good to to be able to, you know, kind of actually work with you.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, because you know it's one thing to just network, but to be able to pass off money, I feel like is it takes that relationship to the next level.
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Vipul Bindra: And now the other advantage I think is now that I that happened once.
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Vipul Bindra: Now this time I'm gonna drive there myself.
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Vipul Bindra: I was like, oh, I got a project, I need a photographer.
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Vipul Bindra: Well, guess who I'm calling?
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and but I didn't want to do that pigeon holing thing.
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Vipul Bindra: That's why I was like, hey, day one, we need somebody for video.
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Vipul Bindra: If you're free, we can do both, so that I don't always just call you only photo, because that will happen.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you know, because your brain just goes, Oh, photo lies.
13:34
Vipul Bindra: I gotta call.
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Vipul Bindra: And then, but that's not that's not all what you do, right?
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Vipul Bindra: So I was like, hey, we may need a third.
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Vipul Bindra: Uh if you want to jump in, you know, that'd be cool.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so I think that's that's another way to kind of uh you know just be more versatile, I feel.
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Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
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Elias Andres: I feel like the two main skills you should learn as a creative is be social and be proactive.
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Elias Andres: Like, that's just the number one thing.
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Elias Andres: Like, like I said, if I, you know, just never talk to you at the group or anybody at the group, I was just like, ah, let me just talk to my buddy who I drove there with, and that's it, and then I go back home.
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Elias Andres: I, you know, I didn't get it, you know.
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Elias Andres: And it's just like you have to kind of be like, you don't have to be a social butterfly, but you have to be like, hey, my name's this, and this is my passion.
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Elias Andres: And when you talk about what you like, it's pretty easy, you know?
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Elias Andres: Exactly.
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Vipul Bindra: So and that's why those groups are fun for me.
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Vipul Bindra: Believe it or not, I'm a I'm a I'm a big introvert.
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Vipul Bindra: Normally you would never see me go in a group and just start talking.
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Vipul Bindra: But the thing is, all these people in these networking events care about the same thing I care about, right?
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
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Vipul Bindra: If you ask me to go talk about something random, I'm probably gonna be like, uh, hold on.
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Vipul Bindra: No, probably not.
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Vipul Bindra: I'll be shy.
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Vipul Bindra: But if you're like, hey, talk about photo and video, I'm like, oh, let me get started.
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Vipul Bindra: Because you know, I'm passionate about that, so I could talk.
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Vipul Bindra: So that's another thing I like is that it I don't have to feel that shyness in these events.
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Vipul Bindra: Because, like you said, you have to be able to talk to everyone.
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and I'm not worried because I'm like, hey, all the things I care about, most likely these people care about too.
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Vipul Bindra: They're not gonna be like, you know, why are you talking this jargon, you know, that us we may use in our industry?
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Vipul Bindra: So that's to me at least a lot easier.
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Vipul Bindra: So you don't even have to be, I think, an extrovert as long as you find that niche that you're passionate about.
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Vipul Bindra: I feel like it makes it a lot easier, right?
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Vipul Bindra: Yeah, right to just talk and be comfortable because you're like, if you start talking to me about video, I'm like, oh, awesome.
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Vipul Bindra: Like, let's talk.
15:19
Vipul Bindra: You know, like I'm not gonna at all feel any any sort of way, because at least to me, that's like a to my hard topic.
15:25
Vipul Bindra: So I can talk, you know, all about it without feeling any sort of way, if that makes sense.
15:29
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
15:30
Vipul Bindra: So at least to me, that's that's why I like meeting people who are like mining, and which is why it's harder for somebody like me, because most time I'm the people I'm dealing with are not video people, they're business owners.
15:40
Vipul Bindra: Right.
15:41
Vipul Bindra: So you have to flip that switch where I'm like, okay, they don't understand at all.
15:44
Vipul Bindra: Like, I have this happens so often, believe it or not.
15:47
Vipul Bindra: And you, I'm sure you've had this where they're like, Yeah, I want a video.
15:50
Vipul Bindra: And you're like, but what does that mean?
15:52
Vipul Bindra: And then they'll email me, they're like, No, we need a code or we need a prior, like estimate or whatever.
15:57
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, but I don't know what I'm making, you know.
15:59
Vipul Bindra: That that means nothing.
16:00
Vipul Bindra: It could be like, yeah, do I show up with my camera, hit record, hit stop?
16:04
Vipul Bindra: Very cheap, you know.
16:05
Vipul Bindra: Or am I am I bringing a team?
16:07
Vipul Bindra: Like, or do you want me to develop creative?
16:10
Vipul Bindra: And a lot of times they're like, Yeah, I have no idea.
16:12
Vipul Bindra: So I'm like, which is fine, but then then then the next thing you do is like, okay, then I need a budget because you cannot work with zero, right?
16:19
Vipul Bindra: Right because I'm like, then I could go, my brain could make so many different videos, right?
16:24
Vipul Bindra: Oh, I could do this or that for their business, but the budget isn't there.
16:27
Vipul Bindra: So next thing I'm like, what's your budget?
16:28
Vipul Bindra: And then they'll have such a low budget, it's like, well, no, we can't do anything, right?
16:33
Vipul Bindra: Right?
16:34
Vipul Bindra: It's like uh like that's gonna take time to develop your video.
16:37
Vipul Bindra: That already you don't have the budget for.
16:39
Vipul Bindra: Right.
16:40
Vipul Bindra: So how are we gonna do that?
16:42
Vipul Bindra: You encounter people like that, yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:44
Elias Andres: It's just like they have a general idea of like, or they show me a video, and I'm like, okay, well, well, obviously, that's like a multi-billion dollar, multi-international company.
16:54
Elias Andres: Like, I don't know if we could actually do that.
16:56
Elias Andres: But uh, yeah, it's like you gotta get that's why you need that social aspect.
16:59
Elias Andres: Okay, it's like you gotta lead them to what they want.
17:02
Elias Andres: You gotta like kind of pull it out of them.
17:03
Elias Andres: Like, I you know, just like take their hand and go like, okay, do you want this video?
17:07
Elias Andres: Like, are we gonna go here?
17:08
Elias Andres: Do we gonna go to production?
17:10
Vipul Bindra: I've had that happen where they showed me a sent me a video, they're like, we want to do something like that.
17:13
Vipul Bindra: I was like, Well, this video has a budget north of one million dollars.
17:17
Vipul Bindra: It they also travel to this country in Europe.
17:20
Vipul Bindra: Uh, if you have a budget like that, obviously we can recreate that.
17:24
Vipul Bindra: However, here's something more realistic.
17:27
Vipul Bindra: How about give me 10-15k and I can get you 80-90% there?
17:30
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, we want we want to go to Europe, but I can make it do it in you know, in in our local city or wherever they're located from.
17:38
Vipul Bindra: But that's kind of funny.
17:39
Vipul Bindra: This and Jenna know for a fact they ain't gonna they don't have a million dollars because what they're sending has celebrities in it or whatever.
17:46
Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, Yeah, you can't even afford to have them show up on set.
17:49
Vipul Bindra: Right.
17:50
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but have you had where it's like they have no idea?
17:52
Vipul Bindra: They're like, I just want a video, and then you go, Do you have an example?
17:56
Vipul Bindra: And they go, No, I have I have nothing.
17:58
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
17:59
Elias Andres: And that's where like you just gotta like brainstorm and you, yeah, that's where you gotta do a little bit of like pre-production and just figure out, okay, well, what do you do?
18:07
Elias Andres: You gotta you gotta have that full conversation with them.
18:08
Elias Andres: And that's why, again, you need to have that social skills.
18:10
Elias Andres: Like, all right, just like talk to them casually so that way they you know let their guard down and they're like, Oh, you know, I was thinking this, really, this is my personality, this is how my company works, this is what we do, this is what we want.
18:21
Elias Andres: And then you slowly just get there and just you know, it's you know, it doesn't have to be like clinical, surgical, you just gotta talk to them like you're talking to a buddy.
18:29
Elias Andres: You're like, okay, my buddy wants a video.
18:31
Elias Andres: How do I help his business?
18:32
Elias Andres: How do I help him?
18:33
Elias Andres: I want to help him, he's my buddy, yeah.
18:35
Elias Andres: Exactly.
18:35
Elias Andres: So, like, what's the best outcome?
18:36
Elias Andres: And then so you kind of have to do that for them too, and you know, get get in their head and go, okay, so this is how you're gonna achieve the best results, right?
18:45
Elias Andres: With your budget.
18:46
Elias Andres: And yeah, that's pretty much it.
18:48
Vipul Bindra: How do you approach that conversation about the budget part?
18:51
Vipul Bindra: Is there a particular way, or does that does your friend handle that part?
18:54
Elias Andres: Yeah, my friend usually handles that, but like I said, I'm just like, uh, you know, it's like a million dollars.
18:59
Elias Andres: But uh yeah, he handles that.
19:01
Elias Andres: And that's it.
19:02
Elias Andres: Like, that's why it's good to delegate, you know, like what you can do.
19:04
Elias Andres: Like, I can edit.
19:06
Elias Andres: Do I want to edit?
19:07
Elias Andres: Not really.
19:07
Vipul Bindra: Like, I let So he edits and does the business and you do more what?
19:11
Vipul Bindra: Photo and video?
19:12
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, photo and video.
19:13
Vipul Bindra: So I'll do more.
19:13
Vipul Bindra: Creators, yeah.
19:14
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
19:15
Elias Andres: So again, that's why you gotta find those people who can like, you know, who love to edit or who love to just talk business, you know.
19:21
Elias Andres: Like they're not, they're not um, they're not a video guy, they don't know anything, but they're like, oh, I know numbers, and I can help you in that way.
19:27
Elias Andres: So yeah, that's like you definitely need those other aspects.
19:31
Elias Andres: Like, if you could do all everything, then you know, I mean, hey, amazing, right?
19:36
Vipul Bindra: So that's actually uh pretty good.
19:38
Vipul Bindra: I mean, like uh seems like a very good partnership, you know, uh, because you guys seem to have the right set of skills.
19:44
Vipul Bindra: What type of work do you normally do?
19:46
Vipul Bindra: What are you typically, you know, you would say average type of shoot or photo, whatever project that you handle?
19:53
Elias Andres: So we do a lot of events.
19:54
Elias Andres: So currently we do like weddings, but then we also do like restaurants.
19:57
Elias Andres: So we work with some like agencies when they're like, okay, we need some restaurant video and photos of this place or grand opening or something like that.
20:06
Elias Andres: And we also work with our local uh downtown development authority in West Palm Beach.
20:12
Elias Andres: And so they do like you know events or like pop-up shows and stuff like that.
20:16
Elias Andres: So we kind of work a little bit more on the commercial side, and so that's where but we do love events.
20:20
Elias Andres: Events are great, they're always happening in West Palm Beach.
20:22
Elias Andres: So that's where we are currently.
20:24
Vipul Bindra: Awesome.
20:25
Vipul Bindra: So, how do you price those?
20:26
Vipul Bindra: Like, do you handle any of that?
20:27
Vipul Bindra: Or um, like what would a typical so somebody let's say they want to get into event photo and video, what range could they expect their projects to be in?
20:36
Vipul Bindra: Uh from your reference point.
20:38
Elias Andres: From my reference points, it's like, yeah, you could go from like a thousand on the cheaper end to like five thousand dollars.
20:44
Elias Andres: It depends on what they want.
20:46
Elias Andres: You know, we do also do some smaller ones, um, but usually I can delegate it to someone else.
20:51
Elias Andres: But yeah, it's around around around there.
20:53
Vipul Bindra: That's pretty good money.
20:54
Vipul Bindra: I mean, I I find and same thing in Orlando.
20:57
Vipul Bindra: Again, uh events are are less, but we will sometimes do corporate events, and that's why I still do it.
21:02
Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I love you know more scripted content or or high-end interview content.
21:07
Vipul Bindra: That's kind of where what I enjoy or commercial content.
21:09
Vipul Bindra: But honestly, in it, I think Orlando and Vegas are the two big cities with uh a lot of conference and event work, and you cannot just say no to that because there's so much money and it's right in my backyard, right?
21:22
Vipul Bindra: So we we do get enough opportunity, and like I said, it's not my favorite work, but it's also not hard work.
21:28
Vipul Bindra: So I personally like it, like I said, and and that's good money range that you're talking about, like I said, 1k to 5k for an event.
21:34
Vipul Bindra: You know, it's just you or and your friend lets it two people.
21:37
Vipul Bindra: I think it's it can be uh very va uh profitable too.
21:40
Vipul Bindra: Um, you know, unlike commercial gigs where you're just spending money and money, and you know, you need a set, you need this, you need that many people.
21:47
Elias Andres: It's harder to um what about the creative side?
21:49
Elias Andres: Like, do you work also like I think I heard Mario, I think you talked with him on the podcast.
21:53
Elias Andres: You did uh an indie you shot and helped yeah, that's how we met.
21:57
Vipul Bindra: It's so funny.
21:58
Vipul Bindra: Uh Mario, remember uh Uh the movie we did uh I did for Daisy.
22:01
Vipul Bindra: So he was the A D and I was the DP.
22:05
Vipul Bindra: That's and then so but he was in my part of my crew.
22:08
Vipul Bindra: So I brought all the camera department was mine.
22:10
Vipul Bindra: Right.
22:10
Vipul Bindra: So all the operators and and the sound guy and gaffer, but Mario was technically uh from the client side.
22:18
Vipul Bindra: But you know, again, what happens when you talk the same language?
22:22
Vipul Bindra: Uh we immediately connected.
22:25
Vipul Bindra: I was like, this guy knows what we're doing here, and he was like the perfect liaison to have between me and the client because he understood.
22:32
Vipul Bindra: They don't, you know, clients don't, and it's okay, they're not from our field.
22:35
Vipul Bindra: Understand what we're bringing, what we're doing, how we need to go.
22:38
Vipul Bindra: Anyway, talk about that, Mario.
22:40
Vipul Bindra: Remember how we met and that whole game?
22:43
Mario Rangel: Yeah.
22:43
Mario Rangel: Um for Daisy.
22:46
Mario Rangel: Yeah.
22:46
Mario Rangel: How you like the movie?
22:47
Mario Rangel: I think it was pretty good for what it is.
22:50
Mario Rangel: I mean, yeah, we made a movie out of almost nothing.
22:53
Mario Rangel: So no, I think it was great uh to work with you also to meet you there, um, to see how you work and anything.
22:59
Mario Rangel: And from there on, we'll be working together.
23:02
Vipul Bindra: So yeah, it's been a long time now, obviously, at least two, three years.
23:05
Vipul Bindra: So that's that, and that's what I'm saying.
23:06
Vipul Bindra: It's so random where you can meet people, right?
23:08
Vipul Bindra: So I'm here helping a client, and he technically works for that client, and he's like, Oh, yeah, I freelance too, and I do this.
23:15
Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, Okay, I'll think of a project, and sometimes it doesn't happen for months.
23:19
Vipul Bindra: People also think you know that they'll get immediate, like you meet someone next day they're calling you for a job.
23:23
Vipul Bindra: It may happen, but it's rare.
23:25
Vipul Bindra: But you know, four months later, I'm like, Oh, I got this perfect opportunity.
23:28
Vipul Bindra: Mario, you wanna come hang out and help me?
23:30
Vipul Bindra: And he was like, Yes, and then we hung out, and I was like, Oh, this is great.
23:34
Vipul Bindra: A few months later, hey, there's another up.
23:36
Vipul Bindra: You know how it is, like, and then next thing you know, uh, same thing I did season one, and I was like, you know what?
23:41
Vipul Bindra: This needs some kind of more cameras and switching, but I can't do that.
23:45
Vipul Bindra: I'm having a conversation.
23:46
Vipul Bindra: So I was like, hey, you wanna come be the producer on this season?
23:49
Vipul Bindra: And Mari's been helping us, so that's what I'm saying.
23:52
Vipul Bindra: Kind of, you know, you never know how where you meet people.
23:54
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
23:55
Elias Andres: Are you do you do more creative stuff like that?
23:57
Vipul Bindra: Like short films or no, honestly, I'm one of the weird ones.
24:01
Vipul Bindra: So most people do like, you know, corporate commercial works to to uh make money so they can go make movies.
24:07
Vipul Bindra: I'm the opposite.
24:08
Vipul Bindra: I would do a movie only if I'm like getting paid or whatever.
24:11
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and it's okay, it's like a personal thing.
24:14
Vipul Bindra: I know I I get it.
24:14
Vipul Bindra: Most people are not like me, but there are other people who enjoy corporate commercial work.
24:18
Vipul Bindra: Okay.
24:18
Vipul Bindra: To me, and and it may be just my love of it.
24:22
Vipul Bindra: I grew up, you know, like I said, my family's been generations in business.
24:25
Vipul Bindra: I just I have that entrepreneurial mindset, like I said.
24:29
Vipul Bindra: So I enjoy kind of dissecting a business and figuring out how video can help them, or just with agencies taking their creative and making it come to life as a director.
24:41
Vipul Bindra: So sometimes, you know, the two major things that we work either directly with a business and I get to help them.
24:46
Vipul Bindra: And a lot of times, like I said, they have no idea, or they'll say, show us a video, and it's like they can't afford it.
24:51
Vipul Bindra: So, how can we do the best for them?
24:53
Vipul Bindra: And then the other side is whereas an agency they're like, Hey, we came up with this.
24:57
Vipul Bindra: Can you make it now?
24:58
Vipul Bindra: And this is your budget.
24:59
Vipul Bindra: So figuring that out, figuring the right people.
25:01
Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
25:01
Vipul Bindra: As a producer director, that's kind of what I enjoy, especially, like I said, scripted content or high-end interviews and talking heads.
25:10
Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
25:11
Vipul Bindra: I enjoy that more than a movie, uh, even though I know movies can be fun too.
25:16
Vipul Bindra: I'm not saying movies are not fun, but I'll do rarely.
25:18
Elias Andres: Yeah, what about F1?
25:20
Vipul Bindra: I would do anything for F1, but they're not calling me.
25:23
Vipul Bindra: I wish F1 was calling me.
25:25
Vipul Bindra: I mean, Drive to Survive, I would take over that contract.
25:27
Vipul Bindra: Dude, I have all the gear.
25:29
Vipul Bindra: We can tomorrow record Drive to Survive.
25:32
Vipul Bindra: I just need access to the paddock.
25:33
Vipul Bindra: So you know what I mean?
25:35
Vipul Bindra: Like, so that's like the access.
25:37
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I don't have that yet.
25:38
Elias Andres: But I bet that's your like, is that like is that like merging the two of like video business and then F1 just like that?
25:44
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, if that happened, but you know, that's how I got into video.
25:46
Vipul Bindra: So I don't know if you've listened to that.
25:48
Vipul Bindra: I I don't know, I've talked about a little bit that, but initially, initially for me, it wasn't about filmmaking.
25:53
Vipul Bindra: I was just into tech.
25:54
Vipul Bindra: So I just wanted to make tech reviews.
25:58
Vipul Bindra: I've always been into tech, right?
25:59
Vipul Bindra: So I was like, you know, it'd be so cool if I get this new PlayStation or this new this or this new laptop, and you know, I talk about it.
26:07
Vipul Bindra: And it's so silly.
26:08
Vipul Bindra: I was on YouTube literally when it opened, I think 2005 or 2006, but it never clicked to me that could be a career, right?
26:14
Vipul Bindra: You couldn't think of back then because I could make this video and put it in YouTube.
26:18
Vipul Bindra: Who knows where I would have been then?
26:20
Vipul Bindra: But all I knew was at that time we had a tech show on TV.
26:24
Vipul Bindra: So I was like, that's my path, right?
26:26
Vipul Bindra: You know, I'm just gonna be on that TV and I'm gonna be a television personality because I'm gonna go review these gadgets and go talk about them on TV.
26:33
Vipul Bindra: Anyway, so that's how my video production thing started.
26:36
Vipul Bindra: Plus, we were also friends running around making videos about video games and stuff, you know, just like Assassin's Creed in real life, you know, parkour, uh, you know, the silly stuff.
26:46
Vipul Bindra: But point is that's how I kind of started.
26:47
Vipul Bindra: It was never about actually filmmaking, it was about making a video about my favorite video games, or it was about reviewing technology.
26:54
Vipul Bindra: But then as soon as I showed up on the the television show, I was like, crap, I enjoy the producing, the directing, the behind the scenes, the DP, you know, way more than I enjoy being on camera.
27:06
Elias Andres: Right.
27:07
Vipul Bindra: So, and that's the reality check sometimes you get, right?
27:11
Vipul Bindra: Um, and uh hence here we are.
27:13
Vipul Bindra: So this is the complete opposite of how it started and where I am.
27:18
Vipul Bindra: But so honestly, yes, again, to bring it full circle, if I get a really good movie, I'm obviously me and Mario are kind of still working on my own movie.
27:27
Vipul Bindra: I will definitely do it, obviously.
27:29
Vipul Bindra: Uh, I'm not saying no to movies because I do get calls where they're like, hey, we need gaffing.
27:34
Vipul Bindra: You can you light our entire movie out there?
27:36
Elias Andres: Is it a yours is a short or is it a feature?
27:38
Vipul Bindra: No, no, it's a feature.
27:38
Vipul Bindra: It's a feature.
27:39
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I I had a story, Mario wrote it, we're still working on the scripting.
27:43
Vipul Bindra: Oh, so it's pre-production, isn't it?
27:44
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, it's pre-production, not production yet.
27:46
Vipul Bindra: But I would love to finish it hopefully soon.
27:49
Vipul Bindra: And that's like a passion project, you can call it.
27:52
Vipul Bindra: So, again, not that I can't make movies.
27:54
Vipul Bindra: A lot of people think corporate or filmmaking, they don't merge.
27:57
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yes, I've been on DP on movies.
28:00
Vipul Bindra: Yes, we can I can shoot movies and we will, but on a day-to-day basis, I'd rather do this.
28:06
Vipul Bindra: Right.
28:06
Vipul Bindra: But sometimes we get movies.
28:08
Vipul Bindra: We're supposed to be doing a movie later in the year where um, you know, we're gonna be doing all the lighting for them.
28:13
Vipul Bindra: So, you know what I mean?
28:14
Vipul Bindra: When they have a budget, they can bring us on.
28:16
Vipul Bindra: Uh, like I said, we're not to be uh uh honest expensive, but we're not cheap, we're not indie movie rates where somebody's bringing some GVM lights and doing their best, right?
28:25
Vipul Bindra: Right.
28:25
Vipul Bindra: So if I'm bringing a two-ton van, it's not gonna be the cheapest, but it's not really that expensive.
28:30
Vipul Bindra: Right.
28:30
Vipul Bindra: So I will take on, and sometimes, like I said, I've we're like, we need a DP or whatever, we need the whole crew.
28:36
Vipul Bindra: I will sometimes do movies, but it's rare.
28:39
Vipul Bindra: Like I just did a short film with uh Fernando who was on the podcast.
28:42
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's I was watching that.
28:43
Vipul Bindra: So that was pretty cool.
28:44
Vipul Bindra: So he was just like, Hey, and I was like, Well, I've got time, so you know, it was one of those shoots where my van was already working, so I was like, Well, you don't need too much gear, I can show up.
28:54
Vipul Bindra: And he was like, Yeah, so I brought some lights and we all had fun, and that was such a fun shoot.
28:59
Vipul Bindra: So sometimes, like I said, I'll do it.
29:00
Vipul Bindra: Okay, but I try to restrict or strict uh mostly income, like you could say, to corporate commercial work, if that makes sense.
29:09
Elias Andres: Yeah, so yeah, I mean, I'm the normal one where I'm like, yeah, I do the commercials and the events and all that stuff to make features or short films.
29:17
Elias Andres: And yeah, that's what currently me and my buddy are doing.
29:20
Elias Andres: Like, we're trying to like see how we can navigate into that space where it's like we can make our money from doing shorts, doing features.
29:28
Vipul Bindra: That that's a hard thing.
29:29
Vipul Bindra: Have you uh seen is there an avenue that you guys see already, or are you still working through that?
29:33
Elias Andres: We're still working through it.
29:34
Elias Andres: Like we we've seen because in in our area in West Palm Beach, there are there's actually one I don't know their name, S A B U D, somebody the group, and it's just a bunch of FAU students, and every day, every day they're just shooting.
29:48
Elias Andres: They just like it's not that great, yeah.
29:50
Vipul Bindra: But they're shooting, and that and that's my point.
29:52
Vipul Bindra: So I I do want to bring it.
29:54
Vipul Bindra: Um that's a good the good thing you bring up.
29:57
Vipul Bindra: See, the the thing is there's a difference in passion and uh business, right?
30:03
Vipul Bindra: Now, you know, I wish my utility company would take passion, you know, or mortgage company would take that, or car company would take that.
30:13
Vipul Bindra: You know what I'm getting, but but there is a lot of people, and I don't want to discount it because, like I said, people make awesome short movies.
30:20
Vipul Bindra: I love my friend, like I said, I'm just talking about Fernando.
30:22
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, makes great movies, you know, right?
30:25
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but the thing is that's not a career.
30:29
Vipul Bindra: Guess what Fernando does on a day-to-day?
30:31
Vipul Bindra: He goes and works at an agency.
30:33
Vipul Bindra: Then that's a passion, that's not a business.
30:36
Vipul Bindra: And I've met very few people personally who are like, yeah, I I make full-time money from just filmmaking, right?
30:44
Vipul Bindra: I go make shorts and we're profitable enough that I can pay, I can have a, you know, I'm not saying rich, but like I can have a house, car, you know, I can live a normal life, yeah, yeah, and I only do short films.
30:55
Vipul Bindra: I have not met somebody.
30:57
Vipul Bindra: They're either, you know, doing high-end Hollywood stuff, that's fine.
31:01
Vipul Bindra: Then where they're either below the line or above the line, you know, where they're like, I'm a first AC, I'm a DP or whatever.
31:07
Vipul Bindra: That's a different thing.
31:07
Vipul Bindra: Then your career is your DP for movies, or you know, they're like, Oh, I I I'm a producer with this agency or this company that makes films or whatever, right?
31:17
Vipul Bindra: Do you see what I'm saying?
31:17
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, then your job, you have a job that's not the same, but yeah, very few people I know who are like doing indie movies and they're profitable, if that makes sense.
31:25
Vipul Bindra: No, yeah, yeah.
31:25
Vipul Bindra: So it's always like a side passion.
31:27
Vipul Bindra: So I would love uh for you to be able to, I guess, figure it out, and uh that at least make some revenue from it because it's it's very hard.
31:35
Elias Andres: Yeah, I mean, I mean, like you even look at Hollywood now, like Maurice Corsese, you know, big time director, you know, won Oscars critically acclaimed, he has a hard time finding funding for his projects.
31:47
Elias Andres: And then you have Tyler Perry, who's you know, like his movies, you know, if you like Medea, hey, he's just got to you.
31:53
Elias Andres: But if you don't, you know, like most people, he's just like middle of the road, you know, whatever, it gets the job done, right?
31:58
Elias Andres: It's a good airplane movie, if you will say.
32:01
Elias Andres: Um, but yeah, he owns like a whole bunch of film studio production lots, like uh, you know, soundstage.
32:09
Elias Andres: He, you know, he's like a multi-billionaire, he's a billionaire at this point.
32:12
Vipul Bindra: Because you know what Tyler Perry is?
32:13
Vipul Bindra: A businessman.
32:14
Vipul Bindra: A businessman.
32:15
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
32:15
Vipul Bindra: Filmmaker?
32:16
Vipul Bindra: Sure.
32:17
Vipul Bindra: I don't want to obviously offend, I'm sure people love Madea or Tyler Perry Perry's.
32:22
Vipul Bindra: No, no discounts to his creative skill.
32:24
Vipul Bindra: I'm not saying I'm better than Tyler Perry.
32:26
Vipul Bindra: Let me be real.
32:26
Vipul Bindra: I'm just saying he's not Martin Scorsese, right?
32:29
Vipul Bindra: But yes, those movies are low budget, high profit, because again, low budget, yeah, and he has an audience that he's built that will watch those movies.
32:40
Vipul Bindra: So at the end of the day, Tyler Perry, I think is a great example of yes, how you can make money from making movies, but there's a there's a formula that he he's not making some creative, amazing storytelling movies, in my opinion.
32:55
Vipul Bindra: What he's building are, you know, I don't know, movies that his audience just wants to watch.
33:00
Vipul Bindra: They're not the most creative, they're not most technically sound, you know, but at the end they uh they get the job done, they make him the money, they make the uh the audience laugh or have fun or whatever the genre is, right?
33:12
Vipul Bindra: Uh just example why Hallmark movies exist, right?
33:16
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, there's an audience, uh and those are great, but but like I said, it's very few people like Tyler Perry who make it, you know.
33:24
Vipul Bindra: Most people that I mean, and that's what I said.
33:26
Vipul Bindra: I met like gaffers, and and for example, I'll say, who are like, oh yeah, I love I'm such a good gaffer and all this.
33:32
Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, great, I would love to work with you.
33:34
Vipul Bindra: Why I don't work with indie people?
33:36
Vipul Bindra: And I've hired them and they're like, Oh, yeah, I'd be like, So what would you charge?
33:39
Vipul Bindra: And they're like hundred dollars a day or whatever.
33:41
Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, that's really cheap.
33:42
Vipul Bindra: How can you even survive in a city like Orlando working that?
33:45
Vipul Bindra: But that's I forget that that's the rate indie movie people are paying them.
33:49
Vipul Bindra: And I'm saying, bringing the gear, you know, everything in that rate, it's like nuts.
33:55
Vipul Bindra: It's uh it's not even like hey, just show up.
33:57
Vipul Bindra: And then, but then when they show up, and I'm like, you know, whatever, I can pay you 50 bucks or 200 bucks more than that if you bring, especially if you're bringing gear.
34:04
Vipul Bindra: But my experience in the past has been the the items that they bring, I'm like, they're not up to par for my set, and I'm not even doing some high-end stuff.
34:11
Vipul Bindra: They'll show up with these lights that are clearly green, and and then I'm like, sure, use my light, but then they don't know how to set this light up because they've never seen it.
34:19
Vipul Bindra: So I'm like, you know, you're not really a gaffer because sure you're very passionate about it, and it's not even your fault.
34:25
Vipul Bindra: You just never had access to the right equipment, but you cannot show on a higher end set and and work because you never are exposing yourself to the the the right equipment and the right people, the right way of working and safety measures.
34:39
Vipul Bindra: And uh, I don't need that on my set.
34:41
Vipul Bindra: It doesn't matter how cheap you are, right?
34:43
Vipul Bindra: Uh, and and and it's not their fault because that's what indie movies are.
34:46
Vipul Bindra: They're like, hey, bring whatever you can and we'll make it, and because you're doing it for passion, right?
34:51
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and so I and like I said, I'm not the expert, it's a good conversation.
34:55
Vipul Bindra: I have no idea how you navigate from that to hey, we put in we gener, let's say we saved up 10 grand or whatever, or raised 10 grand, and we made something really good that made 10 grand back.
35:08
Vipul Bindra: Forget profit, right?
35:09
Vipul Bindra: I don't know anyone who does that.
35:12
Vipul Bindra: So, like I said, I've shot some movies where they've uh like I said, Mari's an example where they paid me because I was paid to be real, it wasn't the most amount of money, but I didn't go work DP that movie for free.
35:24
Vipul Bindra: I and I like I said I had a lot of fun.
35:26
Vipul Bindra: I don't know the economics of it, I don't know how uh the director, how she's and the producer, how she's making money from it.
35:34
Vipul Bindra: Is it profitable for her or not?
35:35
Vipul Bindra: And I get it, I'm not even gonna ask Mario because he's probably knows, but he's not at the liberty to say, right?
35:40
Vipul Bindra: You know, I'm not gonna, but what I'm saying is I I was doing that and I was like, I know this isn't my full rates, it's kind of discounted.
35:48
Vipul Bindra: And I still don't know how she's gonna make this money back, right?
35:52
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh, because we were literally we had a whole grip man outside, we had so much crew, and half the time nothing got used because we were running so fast, right?
36:01
Vipul Bindra: Right, because that's how indie movies are.
36:02
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and I'm like, I have no idea how this client's gonna make this money back, but I thank goodness I'm not in that, you know, at that side, right?
36:10
Vipul Bindra: Mario, wouldn't you agree?
36:11
Vipul Bindra: At least I mean most indie movies it's hard to make money.
36:15
Mario Rangel: Yeah, for sure.
36:16
Mario Rangel: And I think um I mean like Elias was uh telling, indie movies is not about making money.
36:24
Mario Rangel: Yeah, it's passion and it's really it's a way for getting to make uh or getting to Hollywood or getting to a big studio or getting uh to uh for producers to know your work to eventually earn money with bigger films, but in the movie is not about it's never been about making money, but it's just like uh a step before you can uh get known f from Hollywood people so you can start making after.
36:57
Vipul Bindra: That's a that's a good way to put it, at least I think it's a good stepping stone.
37:01
Vipul Bindra: So you can make some good short films, good indie movies to get yourself noticed to not go work for somebody else's movie where they have budget.
37:09
Elias Andres: Basically, you create your own work, it's almost like you know, like, okay, I want to do you know, let's say horror movies or you want to do a thriller or whatever.
37:17
Elias Andres: So you show, especially nowadays, where like everything's cheap, you know, like you can get really good images from like $2,000.
37:25
Vipul Bindra: You don't need an expensive camera.
37:26
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you don't need to show a good images.
37:28
Elias Andres: Yeah, so now and you can show that to anybody in the world, you know, you can show it to someone in you know Asia or South America.
37:34
Vipul Bindra: Have an immediate audience as long as you know people.
37:37
Elias Andres: So, like I said, in this world, like it's it's it's different.
37:39
Elias Andres: Like you in, you know, like 30 years ago, I was like, you could never do this.
37:44
Elias Andres: You know, like the only person you can show it to is like your mom, your dad, and like your neighbor.
37:46
Elias Andres: That's it.
37:47
Elias Andres: It's like, oh, that's nice.
37:48
Elias Andres: But nowadays, yeah, you have the ability to, like I said, it's a stepping stone that you could show people, this is what I can do.
37:53
Elias Andres: Like, if I put 100% and I only have $10,000 or less, imagine what I could do with a hundred thousand, a million dollars, whatever.
38:01
Elias Andres: And I think again, it's like that, it's you need that passion.
38:04
Elias Andres: Again, it's like it's yeah, you know, it doesn't pay the bills, but like if you can follow it and if you can show people you can do this, then you end up you can end up doing what you want to do instead of like, you know, uh hired by other people, like you hired, now you do the hiring.
38:17
Elias Andres: Like, okay, I want to make this big project for like a feature that I have in my head that I know will generate an audience, you know, and especially nowadays with like Netflix, Apple, Amazon, like they're just buying everything up.
38:31
Elias Andres: Like it's crazy.
38:31
Elias Andres: So I you know, again, the the economics and the the numbers on that is all it I mean, they don't even know.
38:38
Elias Andres: They're just throwing money at everybody.
38:39
Elias Andres: They're like exactly okay.
38:40
Vipul Bindra: But that's that's how it is, and and because and that's why you see Hollywood's dying.
38:44
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
38:44
Vipul Bindra: Because the way they made money was from ticket sales and all that extra stuff and DVD sales.
38:49
Vipul Bindra: There's no such thing as DVD now.
38:51
Vipul Bindra: I mean, I don't even know who buys DVDs or Bluebeams anymore.
38:54
Vipul Bindra: Okay.
38:55
Vipul Bindra: Most people don't, and then uh and then the other thing, most people don't go see the movies in the theater, which is why I currently I uh again see people in Hollywood like you know, who actually live in LS suffering because um, you know, they're they're talented people, it's just that the work isn't there in the in the film industry.
39:13
Vipul Bindra: Um, like I guess I was talking to another industry professional the other day, just off camera, not uh, because you know, believe it or not, I do this anyway.
39:20
Vipul Bindra: Not all of these are recorded.
39:21
Vipul Bindra: And same thing, he was telling me he's like, yeah, I was busy and now there's nothing.
39:24
Vipul Bindra: There's literally nothing.
39:26
Elias Andres: Yeah, because we just left Georgia, right?
39:28
Elias Andres: Oh, yeah.
39:29
Vipul Bindra: It's just there's there's not much money, and there's less projects because they're not making as much money, and then the projects that are happening, they're dropping budgets, you know, more and more.
39:38
Vipul Bindra: Because again, streaming services, they're just one more and more content, so it's like quality comes next.
39:43
Vipul Bindra: This is quantity, right?
39:45
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and uh I don't think this is permanent, but uh again, I think the the the summaries, you're absolutely right.
39:52
Vipul Bindra: I think short films and any feature films or anything indie project, I think, is great to get noticed to as a stepping stone to go to that next level, where whatever that may be for individual, whether you know you want to make uh you know a feature or short or whatever with a higher budget, or just go into a certain role, right?
40:11
Vipul Bindra: Even though you may now do the whole thing together, but you're like, I just want to be the DP for these this type of project or sound guy or whatever.
40:18
Vipul Bindra: I think uh that's the way.
40:21
Vipul Bindra: I don't think there's any way, and like I said, I could be wrong because I'm not an expert on that, but I don't know if there's any way to like make profitable career out of only making indie movies.
40:33
Vipul Bindra: I think indie movies are just a passion thing you do to step to somewhere else to make your career, right?
40:39
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
40:39
Elias Andres: It's just it's like a portfolio.
40:41
Elias Andres: It's like yeah, like I said, it's just it's just uh the first step forward, you know.
40:45
Elias Andres: Exactly.
40:45
Elias Andres: And I I mean, I mean, I'm seeing now the trend is like uh have you seen Weapons, the new movie that just came out.
40:50
Elias Andres: Um yeah, they made that with like under 40 million, is like really like to Hollywood, that's low budget.
40:56
Elias Andres: Yeah, and they made, I think, already 200 million dollars.
40:58
Elias Andres: So I think what Hollywood seemed to be.
41:00
Vipul Bindra: But that's a rare team in Hollywood nowadays, you know.
41:03
Vipul Bindra: Like most movies are flopping or not making big money.
41:06
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, uh good movies exist.
41:08
Vipul Bindra: I'm not saying they're not making good movies, like I like that F1 movie they made too, because again, but I like F1.
41:14
Vipul Bindra: But but the thing is, I didn't even go to see the theater.
41:16
Vipul Bindra: I I care about F1, but I was like, I don't care about Brad Pitt.
41:20
Vipul Bindra: I don't know.
41:20
Vipul Bindra: I'll see it when it comes, so it finally came out, and I was like, okay, I watched it, you know, on a streaming or whatever, and it was fine.
41:27
Vipul Bindra: Like it was like, oh, cool movie, but you know, I'm not paying going to the movie theater for that.
41:32
Vipul Bindra: I did go for a while back, uh Fantastic uh four that came out, the new one.
41:37
Vipul Bindra: I did go, but then half the theater was empty.
41:39
Vipul Bindra: I was like, holy crap! And I went like I'm saying opening weekend or whatever.
41:43
Elias Andres: Yeah, I went to the Superman movie, and that thing was oh, really?
41:46
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it was but they're saying like the first uh the the original Superman with uh what's his Henry Cavill.
41:52
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's sold like three times the tickets that this one did.
41:55
Vipul Bindra: So yeah, it's all yeah, and and again, like I said, I don't wanna I don't think Hollywood's going anywhere to be real.
42:01
Vipul Bindra: I I think it's just a dud, it'll come bounce back.
42:04
Vipul Bindra: That's just happens.
42:05
Vipul Bindra: People want content, people want entertainment.
42:08
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but at least for me, and and like I said, not saying that that's the wrong path because you're not the only one.
42:15
Vipul Bindra: Most people I know are like you who are like, hey, I want to make movies and creative stuff.
42:19
Vipul Bindra: This is just a uh a way to get there.
42:22
Vipul Bindra: For me, it's just like you know what?
42:24
Vipul Bindra: If they have a budget, if you have a budget, I'll come either DP, gaffe, whatever you need for me.
42:28
Vipul Bindra: I I I'm not saying I don't want to be part of them, yeah, but I want to stay away from the financials of them.
42:33
Vipul Bindra: My thing is if somebody can pay, uh uh, you know, and I don't think I charge a lot to do indie movies, I will happily go either DP them or help them produce them, or you know, the roles that I usually fit in or or come uh be the gaffer happily.
42:48
Vipul Bindra: But that's where I limit it to.
42:51
Vipul Bindra: So I don't want to ever go, oh, I'll I'll make a short film or I will go do this for free because this is a passion.
42:58
Vipul Bindra: I I don't know, I don't think it's for me.
43:01
Vipul Bindra: Um, but again, most of my friends want to do that, and that's why like I support them.
43:07
Vipul Bindra: So I'm not a rental house, but believe it or not, my get stuff is used on movies all the time.
43:12
Vipul Bindra: So I'll have friends always show up.
43:13
Vipul Bindra: They're like, hey, I need your FX3 year, I need this production monitor, I need your wireless transmitter.
43:18
Vipul Bindra: So my stuff always ends up on in the Indie movies.
43:20
Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah.
43:20
Vipul Bindra: And now normally I wouldn't do this for strangers, but people I know, I'm happy to rent, like which I don't charge that much anyway.
43:26
Vipul Bindra: But it's like, sure, take this, whatever, just sell me this much or whatever, right?
43:30
Vipul Bindra: So that may be an indirect way of helping my friends.
43:33
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you know.
43:34
Elias Andres: Yeah, I mean, the way the way I've done, so I've shot three shorts now, and uh, yeah, like so far, everybody just gets together.
43:41
Elias Andres: Like, everyone has, like you said, the sound guy, he does all kinds of different commercial work and stuff like that.
43:46
Elias Andres: You know, I do my own commercial work.
43:47
Elias Andres: So, like when we all come together, it's like we all, and again, it's a passion.
43:51
Elias Andres: Like, yeah, we were like, okay, we're gonna take this weekend off, and it's like, all right, just book it out.
43:55
Elias Andres: You know, it's like we're not making any money, we're not doing this, but it's the passion of like we want to create something.
43:59
Elias Andres: It's amazing.
44:01
Elias Andres: Like, um, and again, that's the whole thing about being proactive.
44:04
Elias Andres: Like, so when I uh it was like uh one weekend, I shot something like a 3 a.m.
44:10
Elias Andres: was a nightclub thing, it was an event, and I got home super tired.
44:14
Elias Andres: I get a call like 11 o'clock, and I'm like, okay, who's this?
44:16
Elias Andres: I don't even know the number, it says unknown.
44:18
Elias Andres: And they said, Oh, we need a DP because we're doing a 48-hour short film, which I was like, okay, yeah, you woke me up for this.
44:25
Elias Andres: Like, I I kind of want to go back to sleep.
44:27
Elias Andres: And they're like, Oh, well, okay, hold on.
44:28
Elias Andres: So we got recommended by my buddy, and they're like, We our DP, what happened was that they had a DP, he had like a red camera, all the cinema lenses.
44:35
Elias Andres: He put it on this table.
44:36
Elias Andres: They were shooting at a university, and they and the tables are slanted for the kids to like read better.
44:41
Elias Andres: He didn't know that.
44:42
Elias Andres: And when I got there, it does look flat.
44:44
Elias Andres: And so he shot one shot, put his camera on the table, and then it slid and cracked the whole thing open.
44:52
Vipul Bindra: And uh wow, and uh this one way to lose the job.
44:55
Elias Andres: Yeah, and he was like, he just got up, got his camera, and left, and he didn't say anything else.
45:00
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I mean, what is he gonna do without a camera?
45:02
Elias Andres: Yeah, and so and then and then so they called uh so one of the producers, she called one buddy, a buddy of hers.
45:08
Elias Andres: He was like, I'm busy.
45:09
Elias Andres: Then he called my buddy, and then he was busy, and then he called me, and I was like, I'm tired.
45:15
Elias Andres: Yeah, but they were like, hey, listen, you know, if you it would really help us out, like we literally lost three hours because of this whole thing, and I'm like, you know what?
45:22
Elias Andres: This is my passion, right?
45:24
Elias Andres: Is it exactly you know, did I get in this to make money?
45:26
Elias Andres: Like, I could make I can make a lot more money doing like science or like mathematics or coding or whatever.
45:31
Elias Andres: Like, that's where the real money is, right?
45:33
Elias Andres: Yeah, finance.
45:33
Vipul Bindra: Of course, yeah.
45:34
Vipul Bindra: Video is not the right thing.
45:35
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
45:36
Vipul Bindra: Even in corporate commercial, uh, like I said, it's not bad, but it's nothing like finance.
45:41
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
45:42
Elias Andres: You could be a doctor, you make sense way more money.
45:44
Elias Andres: So I was like, you know what?
45:45
Elias Andres: This is what I'm here.
45:46
Elias Andres: I'm supposed I'm here to create.
45:47
Elias Andres: So I was like, all right, I got down there, we shot it, we spent like 14 hours, it was insane.
45:53
Elias Andres: And from there, it's like that the the director, he just like blasted everywhere.
45:58
Elias Andres: Like this guy was just like post, he got it on PBS.
46:01
Elias Andres: He got it on yeah, he got it, you know, international films, he got into a whole bunch of stuff.
46:05
Elias Andres: And I was like, you know what?
46:06
Elias Andres: This is who in that moment, I was like, okay, this is what I was supposed to do.
46:10
Elias Andres: You know, this is what I want again.
46:12
Elias Andres: It's like it's passion.
46:13
Elias Andres: Like it's it's uh a bunch of people came together.
46:15
Elias Andres: I didn't know anybody.
46:16
Elias Andres: Like I literally got there and I'm like, okay, I don't know anybody here.
46:19
Elias Andres: Who's who okay, are we gonna shoot?
46:21
Elias Andres: I had my FX6 and one lens, and that's it.
46:24
Elias Andres: Because I was like, okay, guys, like I we need to shoot this fast.
46:28
Elias Andres: Yeah.
46:28
Elias Andres: Because I shot one the year before, and yeah, that was uh yeah, and I know those people, and that was it wasn't crazy.
46:34
Elias Andres: I was like, all right, you know, I was like, okay, now I know how to navigate this.
46:38
Elias Andres: I'm like, all right, keep it simple.
46:39
Elias Andres: One light, uh, one lens, one camera, that's it.
46:42
Elias Andres: We're not gonna do anything crazy.
46:44
Elias Andres: And from there, it's like I I made I made a whole bunch of new contacts, and it was just like I got a whole bunch of more work from them.
46:50
Elias Andres: Um, and yeah, it's like if ever since then, that's like I've figured out like yeah, you just gotta like go for it.
46:56
Elias Andres: Like you just, if there's an opportunity, like you just gotta go and grab it because it's you know, it's like if you have, you know, like for the longest time I always imagined, like, okay, if I had a camera, have I had this, have I had that, blah, blah, blah.
47:09
Elias Andres: I I'll do whatever I want.
47:10
Elias Andres: And now I do, and it's like, okay, well, now this is the time to do it.
47:14
Elias Andres: Like, you gotta just you gotta put your your foot on the pedal and just go for it, you know.
47:18
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
47:19
Vipul Bindra: No, that's at that's very smart, you know, because like I said, not every project is about um, you know, just money or whatever, because you went there because you were passionate about it, even though you're tired, and plus to help people, you know.
47:31
Vipul Bindra: And at the end, they like you said, you got uh, you know, you got more work out of it.
47:35
Vipul Bindra: Plus, you built all these networking contacts.
47:37
Vipul Bindra: I mean, I just had Zay on my podcast, and and you know, we were talking about the same thing, you know how another uh a friend of mine, but initially, you know how we met, because he wanted just needed some microphone, and I just happened to have one and I rented it to him.
47:50
Vipul Bindra: You know what I mean?
47:50
Vipul Bindra: And that's how you I could have just said no initially.
47:52
Vipul Bindra: I was like, do I want to rent this expensive mic to this random person?
47:55
Vipul Bindra: And most likely I was gonna say no.
47:57
Vipul Bindra: And then I was like, you know what?
47:59
Vipul Bindra: I want to help the guy, he needs this.
48:01
Vipul Bindra: And I'm so glad I said yes, because years later, now we're friends, we've passed on like I've he's given me so much work that I would have never thought about, right?
48:09
Vipul Bindra: It just came from that simple thing, he needed something, and I happen to have it, and I was like, sure, whatever, right?
48:14
Vipul Bindra: So, so you and and that is um um, you know, it's just again being nice, I think, to people and just helping out.
48:22
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but there's a difference.
48:23
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, I don't want anyone to go out and get taken advantage of because there is a lot of people I meet who are like, you know, I just want indie movie, just come help me for free, food provided, and and you know, there's just I feel like a lot of them are just exploiting people's passions.
48:37
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but projects like that, like that you're mentioning, I think is it's really great where they needed you quite literally, they needed you, and you stepping up was like life, you know, life-saving for them, or at least a movie saving for them.
48:50
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
48:50
Vipul Bindra: Uh for it for you to kind of show up and then be like, yeah, sure, I got you.
48:54
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
48:54
Vipul Bindra: Even though, you know, for you, you're like, I've kept it simple.
48:57
Vipul Bindra: For them, it was like they had no other option if you didn't show up.
49:00
Elias Andres: Yeah, and I like the community too.
49:02
Elias Andres: Like, because when we when we did the the 48 hour, like we did it there at that festival, but then you know, again, the director, he just went everywhere.
49:09
Elias Andres: And it was cool to meet other filmmakers.
49:11
Elias Andres: Like, again, it's uh you know, it was great to hear like them talk about how they shot their stuff.
49:16
Elias Andres: Um, you know, people came like from all over the like some guy came from like New Jersey, another guy, and uh a girl, she came from like Brazil, she flew out to this little film festival in Fort Lauderdale, and she was like, Yeah, this is what I do.
49:28
Elias Andres: And I was like, Wow, that the amount of passion some people have is is amazing.
49:32
Elias Andres: And um, it's crazy the work at it.
49:34
Elias Andres: Like, there was one guy, he uh he shot with the uh black magic pocket cinema camera, so the old one.
49:41
Elias Andres: Oh wow, and um I didn't know that.
49:43
Elias Andres: I saw it and I was like, this was shot like with an Ari.
49:45
Elias Andres: I was like, this has to be.
49:47
Elias Andres: It was so beautiful, it was so good looking, and the audio was like so crisp.
49:51
Elias Andres: Yeah, and he was like, No, we just had a pocket cinema camera.
49:54
Elias Andres: These are like three uh girls from like the college class of you know acting, and we did one rehearsal day, then we went to go to Coney Island and we shot it, and that that was it.
50:04
Elias Andres: And it was like he had a vision, he had the he had the like the um the passion for it, and it and it's just it came on screen and it was it was amazing to see like what you can do again.
50:14
Elias Andres: It's that this new age where it's like you can do that with this little camera that's like six hundred dollars.
50:20
Elias Andres: Exactly, and you know, it just you just need the people, you just need that network, you need that contact.
50:25
Vipul Bindra: That's exactly because the you see the thing is um in it in every video industry, um um, you know, clients' budgets are shrinking.
50:34
Vipul Bindra: What they want you to do is increasing, right?
50:36
Vipul Bindra: So it's like you need to learn more, do more, and uh for less money.
50:41
Vipul Bindra: But the thing is the tools that we have access to now make that a lot possible, you know.
50:46
Vipul Bindra: Like we were saying, uh a cheap camera nowadays looks so good compared to just five years ago, man.
50:52
Vipul Bindra: I still remember looking at, and I know a lot of people love like Sony A730s.
50:56
Vipul Bindra: This is before I had any Sony.
50:58
Vipul Bindra: I looked at the the colors and that, and I was like, this is horrible.
51:02
Vipul Bindra: I would never use this in a professional setting because you know, again, uh what I was using at the time was so much better.
51:07
Vipul Bindra: And then look at A7S3 that came out after that, and I was like, holy crap, you know, the jump that they made uh is huge.
51:14
Vipul Bindra: And now I think any camera is pretty much like at that level where it's like good enough for you to just take and start shooting.
51:20
Vipul Bindra: It really comes down to is uh I think skill level uh and I think your creativity, right?
51:27
Vipul Bindra: To be able to to use those um uh you know tools to to tell a story.
51:32
Vipul Bindra: Now, obviously, this doesn't discount it.
51:33
Vipul Bindra: I I've seen here's the opposite side of it though.
51:36
Vipul Bindra: I think that's disservice.
51:38
Vipul Bindra: Uh there's higher-end tools.
51:39
Vipul Bindra: For example, you know, you're building uh, let's say a deck in your home, right?
51:43
Vipul Bindra: Right.
51:43
Vipul Bindra: And you I don't expect you to go, and I wouldn't, go buy the most expensive Milwaukee D-Wall tools, right?
51:49
Vipul Bindra: You're you're gonna buy something consumer grade, right?
51:51
Vipul Bindra: Because that's just you doing it, right?
51:53
Vipul Bindra: Just for fun.
51:54
Vipul Bindra: Now, if you hire someone, they charge you 20 grand and they show up with like cheap, you know, black and decker or whatever tools.
52:00
Vipul Bindra: I'm just saying I would be like, not that I care what tool they use, but I'm like, how professional are you that you can't afford better tools?
52:06
Vipul Bindra: That's my thing, right?
52:07
Vipul Bindra: Uh and and so same thing.
52:09
Vipul Bindra: I've seen people who are like char, like I know these people who will charge 30 grand for a commercial and then they show up with like an FX3.
52:15
Vipul Bindra: And not saying an FX3 is bad, I'm just saying, but the budget was there for a better image, you know.
52:20
Vipul Bindra: Right.
52:21
Vipul Bindra: Uh like I say, it may not be that much.
52:23
Vipul Bindra: The image difference is there.
52:25
Vipul Bindra: You put a mini LF next to an FX3.
52:27
Vipul Bindra: I love my FX3, I use it a lot.
52:29
Vipul Bindra: But if a client's paying me 30 grand, I'm bringing something better because I can see the skin tone difference and all that, right?
52:35
Vipul Bindra: It may be minute, it's worth it.
52:37
Vipul Bindra: And that's where the budget comes in, right?
52:39
Vipul Bindra: The budget isn't just for nothing.
52:41
Vipul Bindra: Right.
52:41
Vipul Bindra: But but I've had that happen.
52:43
Vipul Bindra: Then they go, Oh, I didn't get another commercial for that company.
52:45
Vipul Bindra: It's like, yes, because you charge them 30 grand, showed up with an FX3 and your friend, and then you were like, Here's a commercial, you know, like uh uh you know, any any other proper production company would have shown up with proper tools and done a better job.
52:57
Vipul Bindra: Not saying that your commercial is bad.
52:59
Vipul Bindra: See, I'm not saying that.
53:00
Vipul Bindra: But you but that's a five thousand dollar commercial, that's not a 30 grand commercial.
53:03
Vipul Bindra: There's a big difference, I'm just saying.
53:05
Vipul Bindra: And and that's a quick way to to you know, kind of kill your company, I think.
53:10
Vipul Bindra: So I'm saying there's a balance of that, right?
53:12
Vipul Bindra: You have to you have to find the expectations of the client and then meet them with whatever the tools are.
53:18
Vipul Bindra: I don't think the tool is important, the tool is just relevant to the job.
53:22
Vipul Bindra: If the budget's higher, I don't think they expected him to, for example, own a better camera, right?
53:27
Vipul Bindra: You rent that because that's where the budget goes, right?
53:29
Vipul Bindra: That's why they're like, hey, our budget is this much, so what can you do?
53:33
Vipul Bindra: Right.
53:33
Vipul Bindra: Right.
53:34
Vipul Bindra: And that budget is so you can now go get better tools or more people or you know, a dedicated sound guy instead of the road mics, you know.
53:40
Vipul Bindra: And that's what I'm saying.
53:42
Vipul Bindra: But that's what people are doing nowadays on $30,000 commercials.
53:45
Vipul Bindra: And and can you, yes, absolutely.
53:47
Vipul Bindra: But that's I think a good way to disservice your client and not to get hired again, you know.
53:53
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah, no, no, for sure.
53:54
Vipul Bindra: And then there's the opposite people, you know, who are like doing $500 and bringing FX3 lights and uh multiple friends and then making commercial for that too.
54:02
Vipul Bindra: And that's where it's like unsustainable.
54:04
Vipul Bindra: Can can you do it?
54:05
Vipul Bindra: Absolutely, especially if everyone's working for free.
54:08
Vipul Bindra: But then that's not sustainable, right?
54:10
Vipul Bindra: I know how expensive it is to live in Vest Palm Beach.
54:13
Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah.
54:13
Vipul Bindra: So unless you're living with your parents, I don't know how you would be able to afford to do that more than you know, one time I'm saying is a courtesy.
54:20
Elias Andres: Yeah, well, that's actually why I'm I'm actually going to Sao Paulo.
54:23
Elias Andres: I'm actually gonna move to Brazil.
54:25
Elias Andres: Oh, really?
54:25
Elias Andres: Yeah, so I'm gonna take a year off, maybe six months a year.
54:28
Elias Andres: I'm still figuring it out.
54:29
Elias Andres: And that's one the other great thing about networking, is that I met like some other people in the group, like Fernando, who's Brazil and he's from Sao Paulo, he's actually going next month.
54:37
Elias Andres: Yeah, and uh that's you know that that's what's interesting about what we do is like it's portable, you know, and and the language is universal.
54:46
Elias Andres: Video is video.
54:47
Vipul Bindra: How about Portuguese though?
54:48
Vipul Bindra: Did you did you learn any?
54:49
Elias Andres: Yeah, claro, I'll follow Portuguese.
54:51
Elias Andres: I go around.
54:51
Elias Andres: Look at that.
54:52
Vipul Bindra: I don't know what you said, but as long as uh because you know, uh I know you uh obviously going to Brazil, you gotta speak Portuguese, but yeah, that's how it really is.
54:59
Vipul Bindra: I mean, the filmmaking like I worked with for talk about again the opposite of uh that I worked with him and his crew all the time.
55:06
Vipul Bindra: Like, I'm gonna hire his friend Bruno I met through for uh Fernando uh on a project uh that I want to, you know, that I'm doing.
55:14
Vipul Bindra: But same the same reason, like language is not a thing an issue because when I met him, I was like, oh, his language isn't English isn't the best.
55:21
Vipul Bindra: I'm not talking about Fernando, I'll talk about his friend Bruno.
55:23
Vipul Bindra: But then we gelled so well, I was like, oh, this is a great guy, you know.
55:26
Vipul Bindra: Uh and uh Lexan, I want to hire him on my project.
55:29
Vipul Bindra: So um that's pretty cool though, that you're gonna uh go to Brazil.
55:32
Vipul Bindra: Just do you have a projects lined up, or you just want to go?
55:35
Elias Andres: Uh yeah, I just want to go.
55:36
Elias Andres: I just want to I just want to immerse myself in a different culture, like a different way of you know living and like working, you know, that their their style of doing stuff over there is really weird, it's different, it's it's a whole yeah, it's not as uh organized, which I mean I say uh okay.
55:53
Vipul Bindra: In my experience working, there's more like organized chaos.
55:56
Vipul Bindra: Uh and but I like it.
55:57
Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I like working Brazilian, so you're probably gonna have a good time.
56:01
Vipul Bindra: I think they're pretty chill people.
56:02
Vipul Bindra: Oh yeah, yeah.
56:03
Vipul Bindra: And uh did you connect with Fernando?
56:05
Vipul Bindra: So is he gonna get you some work there or whatever?
56:07
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
56:07
Elias Andres: So we've been talking back and forth, and yeah, like uh, like I said, I'm finding my place, and yeah, like I'm gonna use what I learned here, which is again going to those groups, going to like uh those events, whatever, like just shooting people messages like hey, I'm new here, uh you know, I speak English, I speak Portuguese, I have all this tool, you know, yeah, and I'm ready to work.
56:28
Vipul Bindra: Like I'm just ready to but you're abandoning your friend.
56:30
Vipul Bindra: What's gonna happen to him?
56:32
Elias Andres: He's gonna be left here alone.
56:33
Elias Andres: Are you not taking him?
56:34
Elias Andres: Uh well, he has a kid, he's married, you know.
56:37
Elias Andres: I don't have any of that stuff.
56:38
Elias Andres: So I have no baggage.
56:39
Elias Andres: So how's digital artisans gonna run?
56:42
Elias Andres: So I'm gonna be working with it remotely.
56:44
Elias Andres: So I'll be getting the clients overseas, you know, just be you know, hitting up the emails and you know, talking to clients, and then he can shoot it.
56:51
Elias Andres: We also have, like I said, a network back home, like those filmmaking groups, like they're you know, they're filmmakers, but they also want to make some money, of course.
56:57
Elias Andres: So, like, yeah, it's like, hey, you wanna we got this shoot?
57:01
Elias Andres: Can you do it?
57:02
Elias Andres: Boom, boom.
57:02
Elias Andres: You know, it's like so yeah, it's like it's nowadays you can do everything.
57:06
Elias Andres: You can do everything anywhere.
57:07
Vipul Bindra: So so are you taking your cameras with you too?
57:09
Elias Andres: Yeah, I'm taking my FX6, my A7 IVs, and my whole lenses, everything like that.
57:15
Elias Andres: Anything that I don't want to rent because things are over there a little expensive.
57:18
Vipul Bindra: Even more expensive, yeah.
57:19
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's a terrible thing.
57:20
Vipul Bindra: So uh you what what do you shoot with?
57:22
Vipul Bindra: So you said FX6 and A7 IVs?
57:24
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
57:25
Vipul Bindra: Is that what your choice is?
57:26
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
57:26
Vipul Bindra: So how many do you have?
57:27
Vipul Bindra: So one FX6, two A7 IVs?
57:29
Vipul Bindra: Is that what your kit is?
57:30
Elias Andres: Or yeah, yeah, that's yeah, yeah.
57:31
Elias Andres: And I I find the S74, like it's also a good B cam.
57:34
Vipul Bindra: You know, and for good photo cam.
57:36
Elias Andres: Good photo cam, you know, it does everything you have to do.
57:38
Elias Andres: And yeah, like I actually kind of like the FX3s, you know.
57:40
Elias Andres: I go back and forth with the FX6 and FX3 because the FX6 looks professional and then yeah, it's easier, you know, you can hit the dials and do that stuff, but the FX3 is just what do you think about the FX2s?
57:50
Vipul Bindra: You know, we got two, so just because I didn't want A74s, I didn't want the overheating.
57:54
Vipul Bindra: So, but same reason I got because they can do both photo and video.
57:57
Vipul Bindra: Have you tried one yet?
57:58
Vipul Bindra: I haven't tried one yet.
57:59
Vipul Bindra: It does look interesting.
58:00
Elias Andres: I think you know, it is in that.
58:01
Vipul Bindra: Hey, before you go, maybe you should try it's basically an A7 IV with the FX upgrades and all that.
58:06
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, the FX body is body, and then you know the big six menu, the the whole shutter angle, you know, all the specific video features, but it still can go do all the stills and the right, you know, stuff you need it to do, like in on an A7 IV.
58:19
Elias Andres: So do you find uh like because you said you work with some RE cameras and stuff like that?
58:23
Elias Andres: Yeah, sometimes easy to go back and forth with the Sony and then the Ari, like yeah.
58:29
Vipul Bindra: I mean, okay, uh that's a good point.
58:32
Vipul Bindra: Uh I uh I think the cameras are very easy to use.
58:35
Vipul Bindra: I think most of them, like even red cameras.
58:38
Vipul Bindra: I rented one earlier this year for a uh a uh like a project we did that was on um like a wall, you know, like a LED wall.
58:45
Vipul Bindra: So it just global shutter helped, you know.
58:48
Vipul Bindra: Right.
58:49
Vipul Bindra: But so you just have to kind of learn um, you know, I think basics, and I think it just translates to most cameras.
58:56
Vipul Bindra: For example, uh talk about let's say RE again, unless you're doing RE raw, let's leave that for the side.
59:02
Vipul Bindra: Just let's say you're shooting Pro Reson on a Mini or Mini LF or 600, whatever camera I mean.
59:07
Vipul Bindra: Uh essentially it's the same thing, right?
59:09
Vipul Bindra: It's the you find the native ISO, right, or gain, and then you put it at that.
59:13
Vipul Bindra: You find your aperture that you want to shoot at for, and that's a creative thing, right?
59:17
Vipul Bindra: You put that at that aperture.
59:19
Vipul Bindra: Uh shutter angle journal generally, I leave it 180, so there's no changing that.
59:24
Vipul Bindra: And then white balance again, same thing for most cameras.
59:26
Vipul Bindra: You figure out what your white balance is, you use a c on a higher end set.
59:30
Vipul Bindra: I would use a color meter or a light meter on uh indie set.
59:33
Vipul Bindra: I'm just eyeballing, you know what I mean?
59:35
Vipul Bindra: Uh like hey, just uh 4300 looks good here.
59:38
Vipul Bindra: And you know, by now I I've done this 15 years, I kind of can guess get it very close uh that fast.
59:43
Vipul Bindra: But you see what I'm saying?
59:44
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's not any different, it's just a little bit of menu difference.
59:47
Vipul Bindra: And most of these camera companies, by the way, I highly recommend people go to their companies, they have virtual menu players like on the website, so you can actually pretend like you have the camera, you can like press buttons and it'll let you navigate the menu.
1:00:01
Vipul Bindra: It's just yeah, no, I'm telling that's all it is.
1:00:03
Vipul Bindra: It's like you have to understand obviously the menu, but most cameras are are the same.
1:00:08
Vipul Bindra: I mean, talk about that.
1:00:09
Vipul Bindra: I switched from Canon to Sony and I had no trouble because same thing, most of the settings translated.
1:00:14
Vipul Bindra: The only thing I had to learn was native ISO, and funny enough, most cameras of native ISO's 800.
1:00:19
Vipul Bindra: So that wouldn't even change for me going from Canon to Sony, and then uh same thing before that.
1:00:24
Vipul Bindra: I was on Panasonic, I also on Fuji cameras.
1:00:27
Vipul Bindra: I I've changed cameras plenty of times.
1:00:30
Vipul Bindra: I that's why I tell people I don't care what brand camera you want to buy, because at the end of the day, I will shoot on whatever my clients want to.
1:00:37
Vipul Bindra: Now I'm noticing more and more, and I've talked about this that people only want to shoot on their own Sony or Ari nowadays.
1:00:44
Vipul Bindra: Red is basically dead, very rare.
1:00:46
Vipul Bindra: I'm not saying it's it's not demand, but it's only the people who have who keep that old five years ago where red was really great, everything else sucked.
1:00:55
Vipul Bindra: Now red isn't that much great, is what I'm saying.
1:00:58
Vipul Bindra: The demand is in there, yeah.
1:00:59
Vipul Bindra: You know, like I I know people whose Komodos just sit collecting dust, they're not using them.
1:01:03
Vipul Bindra: That's how and their FX3s work all the time.
1:01:06
Vipul Bindra: It's just the demand is in there, not saying that those cameras are bad.
1:01:10
Vipul Bindra: Uh anyway, the point I'm trying to make is I don't think uh now the same thing with like reds.
1:01:14
Vipul Bindra: Once you learn their traffic light system, I don't know if you've used a red and you you know that what I'm talking about, or not?
1:01:19
Vipul Bindra: No, no, no.
1:01:20
Vipul Bindra: Okay, so they have like a traffic light system where if you're shooting in raw, you don't want any channel to clip.
1:01:25
Vipul Bindra: But once you kind of understand the system, there's nothing else to you, you know, because you know, a red is slightly different in that way, it's like they're raw, as in you can change everything in posts, so yeah, yeah.
1:01:37
Vipul Bindra: Uh so you just don't want anything to clip.
1:01:39
Vipul Bindra: So I generally try to still expose correctly on a red too.
1:01:43
Vipul Bindra: But as long as you're not uh you know, uh clipping anything, you can recover it.
1:01:47
Vipul Bindra: That's the point of the role.
1:01:48
Elias Andres: But what about black magic?
1:01:50
Elias Andres: Have you worked with those?
1:01:51
Elias Andres: Rarely.
1:01:52
Vipul Bindra: So okay, I'll say that.
1:01:53
Vipul Bindra: I love black magic gear.
1:01:54
Vipul Bindra: I own tons of black magic stuff.
1:01:56
Vipul Bindra: We're literally cutting this on a on a black magic ATM.
1:01:59
Vipul Bindra: It's just again, I I don't know.
1:02:02
Vipul Bindra: I have I've I've shot stuff with people who are using the pocket 6k or whatever as their camera, and I'm like, okay, that's fine.
1:02:10
Vipul Bindra: I know a buddy who loves black magic camera.
1:02:13
Vipul Bindra: Like, if you go to his studios, just black magic everywhere, he knows if he's listening who I'm talking about, dude.
1:02:18
Vipul Bindra: Like, I've never seen more Ursus in my life than I when I go to studios.
1:02:22
Vipul Bindra: I'm telling you, talk about fanboy.
1:02:24
Vipul Bindra: So so I know people, I'm just saying, but I personally don't shoot black magic that much, but again, I have and I wouldn't care.
1:02:30
Vipul Bindra: I do love the new Pixis 12K that they have, or the Cini 12K with the prices on it so much lower.
1:02:37
Vipul Bindra: I know if you saw that.
1:02:38
Vipul Bindra: The yeah the prices are so low on the 12k now because they lowered them.
1:02:42
Elias Andres: Yeah, and there's a professional camera.
1:02:43
Elias Andres: I mean, there's some it's not bugs, it's more like you need a crew for yeah, it's a it's a crew camera.
1:02:48
Elias Andres: So he's like, if you buy yourself, it's like you're better off with FX3.
1:02:52
Elias Andres: Like if it's just you, this is another one.
1:02:54
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but but what I'm I like is the flexibility that we live in a time where under 10k you can get a 12k camera.
1:03:02
Vipul Bindra: Uh, I think it even comes with like an eight terabyte recording module, and uh B-Raw has a yeah, B-Raw, which I mean it's not real Raw.
1:03:10
Vipul Bindra: Let's be real.
1:03:11
Vipul Bindra: B-Raw is fine, but it's not like red raw, it's not the same thing.
1:03:15
Vipul Bindra: You know, it's called RAW, but it's not really whatever.
1:03:19
Vipul Bindra: Whatever.
1:03:20
Vipul Bindra: I I don't want people to hate me.
1:03:21
Vipul Bindra: But you go go read the white paper.
1:03:23
Vipul Bindra: What I'm saying is technicality is a different thing, right?
1:03:26
Vipul Bindra: Uh but uh uh what I'm saying is yes, I love that their cameras exist because they're so cheap and they give you so much more.
1:03:35
Vipul Bindra: I think blackmagic has always been this company, I don't know their philosophy.
1:03:39
Vipul Bindra: All I could say is they launch these crazy awesome products and their prices are always lower than you think that product should be.
1:03:45
Vipul Bindra: So, which is why I think they're loved by a lot of indie people, especially indie filmmakers, because it's a real good image.
1:03:52
Vipul Bindra: But again, personally, I don't use them because there's no demand.
1:03:54
Vipul Bindra: I don't get an ever a call, hey, let's shoot this on blackmagic.
1:03:58
Vipul Bindra: I've had one person even tell me in the last 12 months that they were gonna shoot something on, I'm talking something with a budget, right?
1:04:04
Vipul Bindra: Right, right, right.
1:04:05
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, something that let's say 10k or higher budget, where they literally even told me that they were choosing to shoot it on the 12k.
1:04:11
Vipul Bindra: Uh so and and and so again, I would gladly shoot it.
1:04:15
Vipul Bindra: If you call me and you're like, Whipple, I need you to DP.
1:04:17
Vipul Bindra: Come Blackmagic cameras are so easy to operate, man.
1:04:20
Vipul Bindra: They're even easier than Sony.
1:04:21
Vipul Bindra: Uh, I love their menus.
1:04:22
Vipul Bindra: Everything is easier than Sony.
1:04:23
Vipul Bindra: So that's what I'm saying.
1:04:24
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so so you tell me, I'm like, I'm happy to operate them because uh uh I wouldn't care, is what I'm saying.
1:04:29
Vipul Bindra: I'm very camera brand agnostic.
1:04:31
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, camera needs to be good, it needs to work for me.
1:04:35
Vipul Bindra: And the only reason I use Sony to be real is because that's where the industry is dominant.
1:04:39
Vipul Bindra: Uh, because in the corporate commercial world where I am, the demand for FX6s and threes is really high.
1:04:45
Vipul Bindra: But outside that, I wouldn't care.
1:04:48
Vipul Bindra: If tomorrow somebody else, like if everyone was like, all agencies were like we want a black magic 12K, I would buy four and just show up with four of them.
1:04:56
Vipul Bindra: That's my style, you know.
1:04:57
Vipul Bindra: I show with more than what you ask for, but I don't I don't care what the brand is, if that makes sense.
1:05:03
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:05:04
Elias Andres: What about lenses?
1:05:05
Vipul Bindra: So uh so lenses I have obviously currently because I'm the so Sony ecosystem.
1:05:09
Vipul Bindra: So corporate stuff, I like their G Master, I have their latest primes and literally every G Master.
1:05:15
Vipul Bindra: I think the only one I don't have is like the 28 uh or 20, the new F2.
1:05:21
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, 28 to 70.
1:05:22
Vipul Bindra: 28 to I just was like, I don't understand.
1:05:25
Vipul Bindra: Like, why isn't 24?
1:05:26
Vipul Bindra: I I guess they can't make it, but I feel like the wider would be more important to me than the I would have rather been 66, you know, 24 to 66 than a 28 to 70, because that four millimeters in the wider end to me is far more important than the further end.
1:05:42
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:05:42
Vipul Bindra: So that but I have their GM2, you know, the 24 to 70 GM2.
1:05:46
Vipul Bindra: So I have basically all their GM lenses except for that one, uh, the new one.
1:05:50
Vipul Bindra: And uh, but for cinema, I've generally been renting, so I did all the higher end stuff.
1:05:55
Vipul Bindra: Typically, I go with unless a usually the client tells you, like I said, if it's an Agency, sometimes they may have a look.
1:06:02
Vipul Bindra: We need this with this.
1:06:03
Vipul Bindra: But if they give me that choice, I usually rent, like I said, mini LFs with uh RD signature primes.
1:06:09
Vipul Bindra: That's my go-to.
1:06:10
Vipul Bindra: I have filmed on cook lenses a lot of times because if they want cook look, then we'll throw cooks, you know, whatever on them.
1:06:16
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but uh, new thing that I bought and I've been offering my clients the past few months is the Arl's lenses from DZO Film, and they have been incredible for us.
1:06:25
Vipul Bindra: Uh, because it's like a midpoint where it's like, hey, we don't want to go, you know, like we don't want to spend money on renting RE lenses or cook lenses, but we want a higher end look.
1:06:36
Vipul Bindra: I think it the look is very close, it's like 90% there for like fraction of a cost.
1:06:42
Vipul Bindra: Like I'm charging, you know, let's say 400-ish bucks to to upgrade, which is not a lot, I'm saying, on a budget to and and and um they've been really good for us.
1:06:53
Vipul Bindra: So, like I said, they haven't fully paid off yet, but I I think they will because you know we don't use them all the time.
1:06:59
Vipul Bindra: I think they're just a stop gap.
1:07:00
Vipul Bindra: It's like, hey, corporate client, Sony, hey, you want a higher end image, or it's a higher budget corporate and look, then we'll go to RLS.
1:07:08
Vipul Bindra: Or hey, we're doing a commercial, but we don't have you know 30 grand or whatever.
1:07:13
Vipul Bindra: Okay, R's is a perfect upgrade, and and I love using them because for me, the way well, they're a little heavier, but the the feel is all the same as signature primes, and I've used those lenses enough.
1:07:23
Vipul Bindra: Uh, because let's be real, I do projects with like 10 people or under usually.
1:07:29
Vipul Bindra: Very rarely will have 30-40 people and said that's but that's like most.
1:07:32
Vipul Bindra: So I don't have a first AC a lot of times.
1:07:34
Vipul Bindra: So I'm saying I'm used to like handling the myself or having the team handle it.
1:07:39
Vipul Bindra: But what I'm saying is I'm used to handling Ari's signature primes, so I kind of know the feel.
1:07:43
Vipul Bindra: So our uh the the R's uh have you used the DZO film arms?
1:07:47
Vipul Bindra: No, but I've used the Nissi's Athena.
1:07:49
Vipul Bindra: Okay, yeah, they're very close.
1:07:50
Vipul Bindra: I think no, but the R's are so I've used Athena's, these are much bigger, yeah, and uh much heavier, but they're like very sick close to I'm saying like a signature prime lens, a little heavier, yeah, but you know, RE's are just too light, I feel like.
1:08:04
Vipul Bindra: But but the feel in the hand is very similar, which again, I'm surprised that they were able to copy them.
1:08:10
Vipul Bindra: I I don't know if I want to say that, but but they did a good job, I'm saying, yeah, to to make them very close uh to higher end lenses where I'm like wow, that I can buy this.
1:08:20
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I could never think about buying a signature prime set.
1:08:24
Vipul Bindra: It's like what 100-150k, and and that makes no sense.
1:08:28
Vipul Bindra: I don't rent them enough to to make that sense uh for my clients, but something like an Arles, which is funny enough, is just sitting right over there.
1:08:36
Vipul Bindra: Uh, the case, it's it's incredible lenses.
1:08:38
Vipul Bindra: Uh, I would recommend renting them for like a short film or whatever.
1:08:42
Vipul Bindra: They are the look is like, I'm telling you, 90% like cook, and uh so it's warm like cook.
1:08:48
Vipul Bindra: Uh the the you know, the the fall, the roll-off is very much like signature primes, and you're paying fraction of the price.
1:08:56
Vipul Bindra: So anyway, that's what I've been doing.
1:08:58
Vipul Bindra: Um at least I would say past few months, but you know, these things are changing.
1:09:02
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I like the Athenas.
1:09:03
Vipul Bindra: I mean you own the Athenas or you rented them?
1:09:05
Elias Andres: So so we work, so my partner he works with FAU, and so so they have a camera department over there, and they have some Athenas, and yeah, we've used them on a few projects already.
1:09:15
Vipul Bindra: Have you tried the Aureus?
1:09:16
Vipul Bindra: I love uh I've seen those.
1:09:18
Vipul Bindra: I've not tried those, I've tried the Athenas, and they look really good.
1:09:21
Vipul Bindra: I don't think uh I still think based on images, now this is not my personal experience, I think R's are still better, better, but they look really amazing.
1:09:30
Vipul Bindra: It there the Aureus is like uh their T14.
1:09:33
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's a little bit of setups.
1:09:35
Vipul Bindra: So but but they look incredible.
1:09:38
Vipul Bindra: I think Nisi.
1:09:38
Vipul Bindra: See, here's my thing if a client wants clean image, which is what I think Nissi's provide, I'd just rather use my GM lenses.
1:09:47
Vipul Bindra: I find people want the look, you know, this the creamy.
1:09:51
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
1:09:52
Vipul Bindra: I f my I I was this close to buying Aureus set too.
1:09:57
Vipul Bindra: But then I had to sit down because that there was a a really good offer that I was gonna get on it.
1:10:02
Vipul Bindra: So brand new set, but like it was like thousands of thousands of dollars.
1:10:06
Vipul Bindra: So I I got tempted with the aureus because I was like, I've used the Athena's, I know how good this is gonna be, and I saw some images.
1:10:13
Vipul Bindra: But the issue that I have with them is the same thing, and it may work for some people, you know, if that's what your client desires.
1:10:18
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:10:18
Vipul Bindra: I was like, my clients, if they're gonna pay me a premium, they want that premium look, if that makes sense.
1:10:27
Vipul Bindra: And I thought the aureus were too clean.
1:10:30
Vipul Bindra: Uh like again, I don't want to have two characters, I don't want vintage either.
1:10:33
Vipul Bindra: Like, I don't want Vespids, you know, on my my thing, you know.
1:10:36
Vipul Bindra: But to me, uh, I felt like the the images coming out of the Athenas and the Aureas, they look like very much clinical to me, with just better roll off than Sony.
1:10:48
Vipul Bindra: So I personally thought like if I'm gonna put this on a commercial, it's like has to be like a very you know clinical commercial, right?
1:10:55
Vipul Bindra: Whereas with R's I can go F uh uh like T14, right?
1:11:00
Vipul Bindra: And I can have some look.
1:11:02
Vipul Bindra: And it's still not vintage, it's a nice look.
1:11:04
Elias Andres: Right.
1:11:04
Vipul Bindra: But then let's say if you want a clean image, we just put it to T2 and it just cleans up.
1:11:09
Vipul Bindra: So I can do both with an Rl that I can't do with the neat that I don't know how to make character.
1:11:16
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, you can put some filters on it, but it's not like it doesn't get you that, you know, the swirly, the creaminess, you know, that you're looking for uh without going to vintage.
1:11:25
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, neither of these lenses are gonna get you vintage look.
1:11:28
Vipul Bindra: But what I'm trying to give my clients remember, this is an upgrade for they don't have a high budget.
1:11:34
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:11:35
Vipul Bindra: I I find the R's were perfect for me, uh, but I am tempted, like I said, with the the Nisi stuff.
1:11:41
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, they are killing it, especially with their variable ND, the jet mag stuff.
1:11:45
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
1:11:46
Vipul Bindra: Man, that that stuff.
1:11:47
Vipul Bindra: So you talk about the advantage there.
1:11:49
Vipul Bindra: Most NDs I find are horrible because they have a cast, versus the Nisi filters are so clean.
1:11:54
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I guess that's why their lenses are clean.
1:11:57
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:11:57
Vipul Bindra: So in a VND, that's a positive.
1:11:59
Vipul Bindra: So I love their NDs and stuff.
1:12:01
Elias Andres: Yeah, I mean, I like the Dinas just because they're small and compact.
1:12:03
Elias Andres: And it was like it's we used them for a short film we shot like two months ago, and it was just so easy to just pop one in.
1:12:09
Elias Andres: Exactly.
1:12:09
Elias Andres: When you're in a Dana dolly, you can just take it out.
1:12:12
Elias Andres: You know, you don't again like bigger lens, bigger glass.
1:12:15
Elias Andres: Yes, you're gonna get more character, but like goddamn.
1:12:18
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, unless you don't need, and and again, most times to be real, most people don't shoot T1.4, you know, in most circumstances.
1:12:26
Vipul Bindra: I have.
1:12:27
Vipul Bindra: We did that project in Chicago where we just maxed it out, but we wanted the look, we wanted it to be high-end, you know, moody in that that look.
1:12:36
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but but it's not for every project.
1:12:38
Vipul Bindra: I agree with you.
1:12:39
Vipul Bindra: Um, and and that's what I'm saying.
1:12:41
Vipul Bindra: Like most time, I'm like, let's go to T2 or whatever, like and then get that cleaner image because that's what most cor companies want.
1:12:49
Vipul Bindra: You know, they don't want something crazy.
1:12:51
Elias Andres: Yeah.
1:12:52
Vipul Bindra: They're just trying to tell their story, get the results that they want.
1:12:54
Vipul Bindra: They don't want it to look artsy.
1:12:56
Vipul Bindra: Uh, like, you know, obviously, we we we like to get there, doesn't mean the client wants to.
1:13:01
Vipul Bindra: And our job is to define the perfect balance where they get a beautiful video, but at the same time, it works.
1:13:07
Vipul Bindra: It it's not the other way around.
1:13:09
Vipul Bindra: You know, if it doesn't work, then it doesn't matter how beautiful it was.
1:13:12
Elias Andres: Yeah, and it depends on the project.
1:13:13
Elias Andres: Like I said, this gear depends.
1:13:15
Elias Andres: I mean, like I said, I I like that thing is because when I'm doing like short films or stuff like that, it's easier to move around, quickly get shots.
1:13:21
Elias Andres: Like, I'm more in the mindset of like, okay, I need to get these shots and I only have 10 hours.
1:13:25
Elias Andres: Yeah, we need to get through like 80 pages.
1:13:28
Vipul Bindra: And I think it's also like I said, trend where industry things change, you know, something becomes an industry standard and then it doesn't.
1:13:35
Vipul Bindra: Like, I remember five years ago, I was renting an genuine lenses a lot.
1:13:39
Vipul Bindra: It was a thing, like, let's get some Fujinons, let's get some Anjou lenses or whatever.
1:13:43
Vipul Bindra: And I was, I was like, okay, I'll rent whatever.
1:13:45
Vipul Bindra: You know, uh, like again, uh, I you know, my job is to to fulfill the project as needed, right?
1:13:52
Vipul Bindra: I'm not like, why would I care like what they want to rent?
1:13:55
Vipul Bindra: But now the last three years, I haven't heard anyone want to call me and say we want to rent Anjino.
1:14:00
Vipul Bindra: They've been all like, we want RELFs or whatever, right?
1:14:03
Vipul Bindra: With the the signature primes.
1:14:05
Vipul Bindra: Uh, I know sometimes they're they want ultra primes if it's like a regular mini, but what I'm saying is it it's it's changed now.
1:14:11
Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I haven't used anything on genuine, I think last three years, but I'm sure somebody will make something, and then all of a sudden it'll be like, Oh, we want this lens.
1:14:19
Vipul Bindra: And then so as a as a DP or producer, I generally try to be too non-emotional about it, right?
1:14:27
Vipul Bindra: Because uh, you know, I I'm like, I don't like people like that who are like, no, we have to use this.
1:14:32
Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, why?
1:14:33
Vipul Bindra: Like, you know, unless it's like a specific reason, yeah, yeah.
1:14:37
Vipul Bindra: There has to be a reason for look, or you know, you're and but the client has to agree too.
1:14:41
Vipul Bindra: It's not just what I want.
1:14:43
Vipul Bindra: Like, for example, talk about Arles when we use that in Chicago project.
1:14:46
Vipul Bindra: I was able to bring it to my friend who was taking us there, like, because we wanted to use some other lenses.
1:14:51
Vipul Bindra: I think it was cook sp4s or something, uh SP3, sorry.
1:14:54
Vipul Bindra: And I was really I was able to show him, like, look, this is our ideal lens set, this is this lens set.
1:15:00
Vipul Bindra: We're gonna get there and we'll save so much more money.
1:15:03
Vipul Bindra: And uh, and then he saw it and he was like, Yep, absolutely.
1:15:06
Vipul Bindra: So, kind of like that, you know, sometimes you have to show the client too where they can save money, and that's why I'm like, I like the RLs, but um, I also think it's also what you own.
1:15:16
Vipul Bindra: So now, for example, I own RLs, it's a lot easier for me to go to a client and be like, hey, let me bring these because I already own them, right?
1:15:23
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:15:23
Vipul Bindra: Versus if I didn't own them, it'd be a lot more cost to go rent them or bring them or whatever.
1:15:29
Vipul Bindra: So I think that's another thing is what you have access to.
1:15:32
Vipul Bindra: Because if you don't have access to a certain thing, then you know you can't bring it.
1:15:36
Vipul Bindra: So, what about you?
1:15:37
Vipul Bindra: What what what type of lenses are you shooting with or cameras that you like?
1:15:40
Vipul Bindra: Do you rent anything outside of your FX6?
1:15:42
Elias Andres: Uh, not really.
1:15:43
Elias Andres: I like I said, I like to keep it simple.
1:15:45
Elias Andres: Simple, easy.
1:15:46
Elias Andres: I know how to use it, I know what to do with it.
1:15:48
Elias Andres: Uh yeah, I have a 24 to 70 Sigma lens.
1:15:52
Elias Andres: I have a 7200 Sony G Master, which is perfect, and like a 14mm G Master, and a few other like little primes and stuff like that.
1:16:01
Elias Andres: I don't get too crazy, too complicated, because I do a lot of vet work, so I just need it, you know, I just need the events at Sony.
1:16:06
Vipul Bindra: I'm not putting no art any Cinemens.
1:16:09
Vipul Bindra: Unless they're absolutely, but it's very rare that they would want an event event to be cinematic.
1:16:15
Vipul Bindra: They want clean footage, autofocus is perfect.
1:16:18
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
1:16:18
Elias Andres: You don't want those, yeah.
1:16:19
Elias Andres: So yeah, keep it simple, keep it easy.
1:16:21
Elias Andres: Like I said, if you know what you're doing, like when I get into more artistic stuff, yeah, then I'll get the Athenos and you know, you put the the full for autofocus.
1:16:28
Elias Andres: I have a first AC, they'll they'll track, they'll do that, we take retakes, all that stuff.
1:16:33
Elias Andres: So it just depends.
1:16:34
Elias Andres: And it's like, yeah, for for event works and stuff like that, I keep it like you say, clinical.
1:16:37
Elias Andres: I keep it straight to the point.
1:16:38
Vipul Bindra: Which I do want to clarify.
1:16:39
Vipul Bindra: I said earlier, I was like, I don't have a first AC.
1:16:41
Vipul Bindra: Well, it's one of us who acts as a first AC.
1:16:43
Vipul Bindra: We don't bring a dedicated AC.
1:16:44
Vipul Bindra: So when you're a small team, you know, everyone does three, four roles.
1:16:48
Vipul Bindra: I didn't want it to look like, yeah, we're not pulling focus.
1:16:50
Vipul Bindra: We're pulling focus, obviously.
1:16:52
Vipul Bindra: Those lenses are in focus.
1:16:53
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:16:54
Vipul Bindra: No, nobody's like, I mean, so yeah, that I I didn't want to clarify that.
1:16:59
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, gotcha.
1:16:59
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but no, uh, so what do you think about the the the uh your opinion?
1:17:03
Vipul Bindra: I know I gave my opinion on the Athenas.
1:17:05
Vipul Bindra: What you what you think?
1:17:06
Elias Andres: Yeah, no, I think they're great, like they're just portable, you have a full set, like you can easily move things.
1:17:11
Elias Andres: And they rent cheap too, right?
1:17:12
Elias Andres: Yeah, they rent.
1:17:12
Elias Andres: I mean you can just buy them, honestly, for like things like 6K, exactly, they're a lot cheaper, yeah.
1:17:17
Vipul Bindra: And it's like seven, eight lens, right?
1:17:19
Vipul Bindra: Something like that.
1:17:19
Vipul Bindra: It's a it's you lose money by not buying them.
1:17:21
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
1:17:22
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, for those, yeah.
1:17:23
Vipul Bindra: Because once you pay, like same thing with me.
1:17:25
Vipul Bindra: Like, I was like, I bought the set for I think 10 grand or something like that, five lens set.
1:17:30
Vipul Bindra: And I was like, by the time I add enough time I use it, it makes no sense.
1:17:35
Vipul Bindra: Because the, you know, like I said, but but it only with lenses like this.
1:17:38
Vipul Bindra: Anything over this, I probably don't ever recommend buying them.
1:17:42
Vipul Bindra: Because again, lenses get yeah, you know, lenses aren't uh, you know, if you need something different for a project or whatever, you're not always gonna be able to use them.
1:17:49
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:17:50
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but but lenses, yeah, these new lenses are so much more.
1:17:54
Elias Andres: Yeah, and they keep their value.
1:17:55
Elias Andres: Like it's like it's like if you don't need it in a year or two, it's like, yeah, you you know, like you made so much money off the projects anyways, that's like the the difference that you sold it for for where you bought it is like negligible.
1:18:04
Elias Andres: Exactly.
1:18:05
Elias Andres: It's not even there.
1:18:05
Elias Andres: But especially for cheaper lenses like that.
1:18:07
Elias Andres: Yeah.
1:18:08
Elias Andres: Um, so I'm curious about this uh feature film that you're trying to do.
1:18:12
Elias Andres: So, like, what do you know the product?
1:18:14
Elias Andres: Like, do you know like what you want to shoot on or what's oh yeah.
1:18:18
Vipul Bindra: That is this is what I'm saying.
1:18:19
Vipul Bindra: Usually it's weird, it's the opposite, right?
1:18:21
Vipul Bindra: You have a story and a script, and you don't you're figuring out the production side of it.
1:18:26
Vipul Bindra: I have all the production side figured out.
1:18:28
Vipul Bindra: I just need the script to be ready.
1:18:29
Vipul Bindra: Man, Mario, when's the script gonna be ready?
1:18:32
Vipul Bindra: Huh?
1:18:32
Vipul Bindra: Huh?
1:18:33
Vipul Bindra: Oh, he's not paying attention.
1:18:35
Vipul Bindra: You hear me?
1:18:38
Mario Rangel: Yeah, we hear you.
1:18:39
Mario Rangel: Okay, when the script I mean, it's ready.
1:18:42
Mario Rangel: Five minutes?
1:18:43
Mario Rangel: I mean, right.
1:18:44
Mario Rangel: Yeah, yeah.
1:18:45
Mario Rangel: Uh well, I mean, the script is uh, I don't know, eighty-five percent ready.
1:18:54
Mario Rangel: See, that's all we're waiting for.
1:18:55
Mario Rangel: We we just we just need to, I think, refine the dialogue.
1:18:58
Mario Rangel: Yeah.
1:18:59
Mario Rangel: Um, after that, it's ready to.
1:19:01
Vipul Bindra: I am ready, dude.
1:19:02
Vipul Bindra: I'm excited, but at the same time, you know what happens?
1:19:04
Vipul Bindra: Is it your idea or is it his idea?
1:19:05
Vipul Bindra: Yes, so I came up with a story.
1:19:07
Vipul Bindra: So here's my thing, you know.
1:19:08
Vipul Bindra: I just wanted to, you know, I'm passionate too.
1:19:10
Vipul Bindra: I like video production.
1:19:12
Vipul Bindra: But I was like, how can I make a movie without making any compromises?
1:19:15
Vipul Bindra: And I wanted to um uh I was like, so here's my thing.
1:19:20
Vipul Bindra: Like, let me take it back a little bit.
1:19:22
Vipul Bindra: Just like indie movies, right?
1:19:23
Vipul Bindra: Indie movies just look like indie movies.
1:19:25
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, very rarely do you see an indie movie, and I'm not talking Hollywood level indie movie, but 10 million is an ultra low budge.
1:19:31
Vipul Bindra: I'm talking real indie movies, people are scraping to, you know.
1:19:35
Vipul Bindra: So this is like a movie, for example, with like almost zero budget.
1:19:38
Vipul Bindra: Like again, nothing is actually zero, but you get the point.
1:19:40
Vipul Bindra: Like, no budget movie.
1:19:42
Vipul Bindra: So it's like they look a certain way, they're they're terrible, the dialogue is this way, sound design is terrible.
1:19:46
Vipul Bindra: So I was like, I want to make a movie that should look like it had a million-dollar budget, but it should be zero dollar budget, right?
1:19:54
Vipul Bindra: We have no budget, and I was like, the only reason I can do that is I have all the production equipment, access to great talented people who want to be part of such a project.
1:20:02
Vipul Bindra: Uh, with so resources won't be limited, right?
1:20:05
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:20:05
Vipul Bindra: Uh, the only thing limited is I want the story to be great.
1:20:08
Vipul Bindra: So I had the story in my mind.
1:20:09
Vipul Bindra: I was like, and obviously it had to be strategically written so it would cost less money to shoot.
1:20:14
Vipul Bindra: So basically, this is essentially the the best way I can explain.
1:20:18
Vipul Bindra: My movie is uh a doc um a narrative documentary.
1:20:23
Vipul Bindra: So it's not a real documentary, but it we present it like a documentary, right?
1:20:26
Vipul Bindra: Which makes it a lot easier to shoot because majority of the movies high-end interviews, which I do them all the time.
1:20:31
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, the listeners.
1:20:32
Vipul Bindra: So it's a lot.
1:20:33
Vipul Bindra: So I can so 90% of my movie is can be shot like this in like a weekend, and it and we can throw real budget at it.
1:20:41
Vipul Bindra: Like I want to use, I'm talking uh the plan is obviously this could change, but mini LFs to A and B cameras with the Atlas Mercury anamorphic lenses.
1:20:50
Vipul Bindra: So it's gonna be like very and like I said, very high-end lights, all aperture latest storm lights, 1200x's, 400x.
1:20:58
Vipul Bindra: Uh, we're gonna go obviously Dana Dolly, we're gonna go all out um as in like an indie movie level, but it's gonna look like we had a budget.
1:21:07
Vipul Bindra: Like I want it to look like, oh wow, they had a million dollars, right?
1:21:10
Vipul Bindra: So the idea is obviously I want most people to see it and go, like, oh wow, great movie! Can't believe it, they made it for a million dollars, right?
1:21:17
Vipul Bindra: Or what?
1:21:18
Vipul Bindra: They made this crap movie and wasted a million dollars.
1:21:20
Vipul Bindra: But the reality being that we didn't have a million dollars, we just spent our our time and effort making it.
1:21:26
Vipul Bindra: That's literally my only incentive to do it.
1:21:28
Vipul Bindra: I want to do it to show that you can do it, you can do it, and you can make it look good.
1:21:33
Vipul Bindra: That's the big thing.
1:21:34
Vipul Bindra: And and that's why I told Mario, I was like, you take responsibility for making my story.
1:21:39
Vipul Bindra: Because I came up with the story, but he put it to pen and paper and kind of made it sure that it flows, right?
1:21:44
Vipul Bindra: Uh, and then I was like, I'll take all responsibility if the visually doesn't look good, but you take responsibility if it doesn't, you know, if it's not a good script.
1:21:52
Vipul Bindra: And I was like, that that's a good partnership, right?
1:21:54
Vipul Bindra: Same thing here.
1:21:55
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, look, I can come up with a story, but I don't know how to put in pen.
1:21:58
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, to structure it.
1:22:00
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, exactly.
1:22:00
Vipul Bindra: And he helped me do that, and we were able to come up with beats because the thing is, if it's a documentary, every five minutes, unlike a traditional arc, you know, it's not that.
1:22:09
Vipul Bindra: Every five minutes, something needs to happen.
1:22:10
Vipul Bindra: It's a very crazy arc.
1:22:12
Vipul Bindra: And the reason is because we have to maintain people's attention for 90 minutes, it's a hundred-minute movie, but the last five, seven minutes, we do something really crazy.
1:22:21
Vipul Bindra: Like I'm talking like the sixth sense type of twist.
1:22:24
Vipul Bindra: It's like the whole movie flips uh and it's really cool.
1:22:28
Vipul Bindra: So the whole idea is you watch this whole movie and then everything changes just the last five minutes.
1:22:33
Vipul Bindra: Okay.
1:22:33
Vipul Bindra: But if people don't get there, then they don't see the twist, right?
1:22:36
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, that's the hard part.
1:22:37
Vipul Bindra: So exactly.
1:22:38
Vipul Bindra: So we wanted to make the movie interesting.
1:22:39
Vipul Bindra: So we're trying to basically make sure every every f five minutes, 10 minutes at max, there is some kind of craziness happening, right?
1:22:47
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
1:22:47
Vipul Bindra: So that you your attention span is made, and then so you make it to the 90-minute mark, 95-minute mark, and then you see our crazy twist, and then we'll have you on the seat, right?
1:22:56
Vipul Bindra: That's at least the plan.
1:22:57
Elias Andres: Interesting.
1:22:58
Elias Andres: What did what inspired you?
1:22:59
Elias Andres: Like, do you get nothing?
1:23:01
Vipul Bindra: It was just to be honest, a I love watching documentaries.
1:23:04
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, I love making documentaries.
1:23:05
Vipul Bindra: I should say that.
1:23:06
Vipul Bindra: I usually say corporate commercial, I meant I don't know why combine documentaries in that.
1:23:11
Vipul Bindra: I love making documentaries too, especially corporate documentaries, those are amazing.
1:23:15
Vipul Bindra: Yeah.
1:23:15
Vipul Bindra: Uh, so anyway, so yeah, that's just my passion.
1:23:17
Vipul Bindra: I love making documentaries, I love telling stories.
1:23:20
Vipul Bindra: And uh, I was like, what could be a narrative documentary?
1:23:23
Vipul Bindra: You know, obviously, a real documentary, follow character, you come back with thousands of hours of content, right?
1:23:28
Vipul Bindra: You cut it, right?
1:23:29
Vipul Bindra: That's a documentary.
1:23:30
Elias Andres: Right.
1:23:30
Vipul Bindra: Here, I'm like, I can make a character say whatever, right?
1:23:33
Vipul Bindra: I can have anything happen.
1:23:34
Vipul Bindra: But the craziness is yes, our movie is crazy, crazy things happen.
1:23:38
Vipul Bindra: But if you watch some real documentaries, like watch Tiger King, crazy things happen in real documentaries.
1:23:44
Vipul Bindra: So I don't want people to go, this is over the top.
1:23:46
Vipul Bindra: It's not meant to be a critically acclaimed movie, yeah, it's meant to be entertainment.
1:23:50
Vipul Bindra: I want people to watch it and just be wholly entertained.
1:23:53
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, as a story, exactly.
1:23:54
Vipul Bindra: And you to do that from a documentary is hard.
1:23:57
Vipul Bindra: So we have crazy characters, we have crazy things happen, and uh and that's essentially it.
1:24:02
Vipul Bindra: But to break it down production side, yes, that's the plan is to make it as easy to shoot.
1:24:07
Vipul Bindra: So it's just gonna be high-end interviews uh in a location, and most of the location is gonna be one location.
1:24:13
Vipul Bindra: We're gonna make it look like you know, five different locations.
1:24:16
Vipul Bindra: Okay, and uh, so we're gonna just rent one location over a weekend.
1:24:20
Vipul Bindra: 90% of the movie is gonna be shot because you know it's just interviews, but it's not real interviews, they're reading dialogue.
1:24:26
Vipul Bindra: So a good actor should be able to do that pretty fast.
1:24:29
Vipul Bindra: And then um the rest of that is found footage because the movie's like a like a murder thriller, right?
1:24:36
Vipul Bindra: What would you describe it as Mario again?
1:24:38
Vipul Bindra: Uh like uh murder mystery investigation, right?
1:24:42
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so so that's basically it.
1:24:44
Vipul Bindra: So that way is the footage is from decades ago, right?
1:24:47
Vipul Bindra: Study yeah, so it's just potato found footage.
1:24:49
Vipul Bindra: That'll be easy to shoot.
1:24:50
Vipul Bindra: You can shoot that on uh FX3.
1:24:52
Vipul Bindra: I'm not planning to use the R's for that, and we'll put the filters on it.
1:24:55
Vipul Bindra: I may even get, I don't know yet, a real VHS camera just to make it legit instead of throwing a filter on FX3, might as well just shoot it.
1:25:02
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah, creative with it.
1:25:03
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, it's funny.
1:25:04
Vipul Bindra: Because it's gonna be like home videos or CCTV footage, but from like 90s, you know, or 80s or whatever this time frame is.
1:25:11
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but you know what I mean, like very old.
1:25:13
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
1:25:13
Vipul Bindra: So 30, 40 years ago.
1:25:14
Vipul Bindra: So it's ain't gonna be like some spectacular thing, is what I'm saying.
1:25:18
Vipul Bindra: So uh so that's that, but that we'll do after, and we can fill in because the idea is to to see what we need and we go shoot that, right?
1:25:25
Vipul Bindra: But it doesn't need the same actors because again, they don't look the same, right?
1:25:28
Vipul Bindra: The ones who are doing the interviews aren't gonna be in that.
1:25:31
Elias Andres: So that was interesting.
1:25:32
Elias Andres: Well, do you know like your actors or your no, no, we're too early for that.
1:25:36
Vipul Bindra: Like I said, we need to currently get our script 100%, then we will get to that stage.
1:25:40
Vipul Bindra: And I would love to partner with people like our Fernando and you know other people that I know in my network that love to do that.
1:25:45
Vipul Bindra: I think it it's gonna be an incredible project within some parameters.
1:25:50
Vipul Bindra: Like, let's be real, we're up front that hey, we want this to look like a million bucks, so we don't have a million bucks, so we're gonna constrain ourselves to high-end interviews over a weekend, but then go all out with equipment and skill and lighting and to make it look like I want it to be like you know, you watch something, and I hate throwing that word out there, but like something you'd watch on Netflix, like it should just belong, or you know?
1:26:12
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, now hopefully we can get the story and acting, all that to that same level.
1:26:16
Vipul Bindra: I'll try.
1:26:18
Vipul Bindra: I can't guarantee that, but we're gonna give it our 100%.
1:26:20
Vipul Bindra: But the production quality, I don't want any compromises on that.
1:26:24
Vipul Bindra: So that's at least the approach of that makes it.
1:26:26
Elias Andres: Have you have you shot a feature before?
1:26:28
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
1:26:28
Vipul Bindra: I did that, like I said, with Mario.
1:26:30
Vipul Bindra: Oh, that was a feature, and that's just an example, yeah.
1:26:31
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, because I I heard it.
1:26:33
Elias Andres: It was like they shot some stuff before.
1:26:35
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so they had so I shot like portion of the movie, if that makes sense.
1:26:38
Vipul Bindra: So they had a portion, yeah, and then we came in and we filmed a portion over a night.
1:26:42
Vipul Bindra: So I'm saying that was half a feature basically.
1:26:44
Vipul Bindra: I thought I felt like a half, maybe it wasn't half.
1:26:47
Vipul Bindra: He'll he knows how many pages was it?
1:26:50
Mario Rangel: Uh, it was around 15 pages, yeah.
1:26:53
Mario Rangel: In one night.
1:26:54
Mario Rangel: In one night.
1:26:55
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so I came in, I shot that for the.
1:26:58
Vipul Bindra: But no, I've done movies all the time.
1:27:00
Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I do short movies all the time.
1:27:01
Vipul Bindra: But again, it's not as frequencies I do pro uh corporate.
1:27:04
Vipul Bindra: Those I'm doing like every other day versus uh the other thing, you know.
1:27:09
Vipul Bindra: It's like once in a while.
1:27:10
Vipul Bindra: Interesting, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:27:11
Vipul Bindra: So, but yeah, but like I said, I'm not worried about the shooting part.
1:27:14
Vipul Bindra: Like I said, that's easy to me at least.
1:27:16
Vipul Bindra: I'm more looking for the other help that I need, which is like casting.
1:27:20
Vipul Bindra: I'll help with location scouting and uh permits, crews.
1:27:24
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, well, I got permits.
1:27:26
Vipul Bindra: We do permits enough.
1:27:27
Vipul Bindra: So cruise and permits, I got it.
1:27:29
Vipul Bindra: Uh but yeah, I'm talking more like the narrative side that we don't handle that much.
1:27:33
Vipul Bindra: I mean, even casting I do enough sometimes for commercials, so but the stuff I don't do uh especially is like that, like you know, working uh I don't know, working on a tight schedule to shoot a movie over two days.
1:27:49
Vipul Bindra: It's rare, but I do it.
1:27:50
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, I did with a lot of it.
1:27:52
Vipul Bindra: But yeah, that's gonna be where I need help.
1:27:53
Vipul Bindra: And like I said, I have people like Fernando that I know that are in my network where I'm gonna be able to partner with them that do this.
1:27:59
Vipul Bindra: All the time and be like, hey, so how do we make this right?
1:28:03
Vipul Bindra: Bring present it to them, work with them, help me find source actors, help me source location, you know, all the stuff that we'll need beforehand we go to shoot.
1:28:11
Vipul Bindra: But I think it'll be easy because if I can get A roll done, we can get a cut done.
1:28:15
Vipul Bindra: And once we get a cut done, we know where we need inserts or whatever, and we can go film inserts.
1:28:21
Vipul Bindra: I don't think I'm gonna need a whole crew for that.
1:28:23
Elias Andres: Right.
1:28:24
Elias Andres: Yeah.
1:28:24
Vipul Bindra: So we'll do inserts after.
1:28:26
Vipul Bindra: The goal was to get a storyline in because the whole point is to make it engaging.
1:28:29
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:28:29
Vipul Bindra: So we're gonna we're gonna basically go, oh, is this engaging enough?
1:28:33
Vipul Bindra: No, let's cut this or let's do that because we're gonna overshoot the interviews, right?
1:28:37
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:28:37
Vipul Bindra: And then we're gonna cut that down.
1:28:39
Vipul Bindra: And then I think then we can go and get inserts.
1:28:41
Vipul Bindra: So uh like I said, it'll it'll be a longer process to finish it, but shooting it should be just a weekend.
1:28:47
Elias Andres: And what do you what are you what's your like end goal?
1:28:49
Elias Andres: Like what what are your goals?
1:28:50
Vipul Bindra: Well, the goal is just to sh to make a movie, like I said, that looks amazing.
1:28:54
Vipul Bindra: That's it.
1:28:55
Vipul Bindra: Visually, I'm saying that's a different than yeah, good movie.
1:28:58
Elias Andres: But like like film festivals or like I don't know.
1:29:00
Vipul Bindra: Uh to that's too far.
1:29:01
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, ideally we'd like to sell it to a streaming service, but I don't want I don't want to care.
1:29:05
Vipul Bindra: I don't want that's why I tell people I like to underpromise and over-deliver.
1:29:09
Vipul Bindra: The goal is we're gonna make something awesome.
1:29:11
Elias Andres: There you go.
1:29:12
Vipul Bindra: That's it.
1:29:12
Vipul Bindra: That's it, and we're gonna make it better than most indie movies you're part of.
1:29:15
Vipul Bindra: That's it.
1:29:16
Vipul Bindra: Like that's where I'm gonna cut it at.
1:29:17
Vipul Bindra: But obviously, ideally, we'd like to go to festivals, win some awards, uh maybe sell the movie to an to uh some kind of streaming service that there where it belongs, if it's good enough.
1:29:29
Vipul Bindra: Uh like I said, but I don't want to sound too overconfident because the whole thing is let's be real.
1:29:33
Vipul Bindra: Yes, I haven't made I haven't come up with a story for a feature, then shot it, then sold it for millions of dollars, right?
1:29:42
Vipul Bindra: That's not my thing.
1:29:43
Vipul Bindra: But I sell videos for hundreds of thousands all the time.
1:29:46
Vipul Bindra: So I don't I don't see why this would be harder, especially if you make something awesome, because we're not going there to raise funds.
1:29:52
Vipul Bindra: I'm not, I don't need funds, right?
1:29:54
Vipul Bindra: I don't I don't need to go.
1:29:55
Vipul Bindra: That's harder, I think.
1:29:56
Vipul Bindra: Where you go and say, Hey, I have this concept.
1:29:58
Vipul Bindra: Can you give me and then they're like, You've never done this, right?
1:30:00
Vipul Bindra: You know, especially at that scale.
1:30:02
Vipul Bindra: Um so I want to have a finished product product if that makes sense.
1:30:07
Vipul Bindra: Then we will see how good it is, and we can approach it that way.
1:30:10
Vipul Bindra: Ideally, like I said, in the in the best world, if it looks amazing, we approach streaming services and try to sell it there.
1:30:16
Vipul Bindra: If let's say it looks, you know, okay.
1:30:20
Vipul Bindra: Again, I doubt, but you never know.
1:30:22
Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I I I want to be humble.
1:30:24
Vipul Bindra: Uh, and then in that case, we'll just say, hey, we made something really awesome, and it can be a portfolio piece.
1:30:29
Vipul Bindra: Like, look, we can make something that looks like this.
1:30:31
Vipul Bindra: Because like I said, imagine five, six high-end interviews.
1:30:35
Vipul Bindra: That is a good portfolio for most people to have to be able to show.
1:30:38
Vipul Bindra: And then remember, they're all different settings, they're not all the same.
1:30:42
Vipul Bindra: Even though we're filming in the same house, we're gonna make it look like one's like a prison, you know, one's like an old tiny house, one's just sitting on a bed, you know, and we're gonna make it look like very, very different.
1:30:52
Vipul Bindra: So, yeah, so you're so you're gonna have five really high-end interviews that we're gonna shoot.
1:30:57
Vipul Bindra: So I'm saying for most people they're gonna partake, they're gonna have something really good to show and put in their portfolio, right?
1:31:04
Vipul Bindra: And then if if like I said, it is what I want it to be, I think we'll have extra avenue to like go sell it, uh, to get to get something out of it.
1:31:13
Vipul Bindra: But like I said, I'm happy with what I do.
1:31:15
Vipul Bindra: I'm not trying to become a narrative movie director here, right?
1:31:18
Vipul Bindra: Uh I like I said, what I'd like to do if anyone's listening is give me lots of money and I go make a documentary about Formula One.
1:31:25
Vipul Bindra: That'd be an ideal project, right?
1:31:26
Vipul Bindra: So that's kind of where I want to go.
1:31:28
Vipul Bindra: This project is just a one-off, I would say.
1:31:31
Vipul Bindra: Like to just showcase that, hey, we can do this.
1:31:34
Vipul Bindra: A lot of people then go, oh, commercial people, they can't really make movies.
1:31:37
Vipul Bindra: You know, it's like, no, we can.
1:31:39
Vipul Bindra: I choose not to.
1:31:40
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so this idea is to just go make something really awesome within limited constraints, obviously.
1:31:46
Vipul Bindra: Of course, and uh and then uh just have something, and then um I think go pursue stuff I like anyway, which is like say high-end documentaries, high-end corporate, high-end commercial.
1:31:57
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and because I'm happy where I am, you know.
1:32:00
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so I have awesome clients.
1:32:02
Elias Andres: But it's good to like, yeah, like flex your creativity, yeah.
1:32:04
Elias Andres: Exactly.
1:32:05
Elias Andres: You could choose how the the interviews look like, you know, and that's that's the fun part.
1:32:09
Elias Andres: It's like, okay, you're you're you know, like get creative, like it's unlimited, it's limitless what you can do.
1:32:15
Elias Andres: And it's it's fun, you know.
1:32:16
Elias Andres: It's like that's the whole point.
1:32:17
Elias Andres: I mean, you know, it's like making something beautiful, making the image like just stand out.
1:32:20
Elias Andres: It's like and showing people, hey, I can do this.
1:32:23
Elias Andres: It's like, you know, is like it would you do that with the regular interview?
1:32:27
Vipul Bindra: No, because that's like it's just I mean, some projects, like I said, that's why we really enjoy that when we talk about that Chicago project loss because we got to be creative, but no, most times it's rare.
1:32:34
Vipul Bindra: It's very rare that uh uh I'm saying a client will go, no, make it moody, make it cinematic, go T1.4 and go all crazy at it.
1:32:43
Vipul Bindra: But normally, yeah, no, they want sharp, clear content because you know we're trying to tell uh a company story, so you're right, it's it's gonna be incredible to be able to flex that creative muscle and uh show what we can do, right?
1:32:55
Vipul Bindra: Or or to be real, I do do some documentaries where we do get to do some creative stuff, but either way, just something to high-end.
1:33:02
Vipul Bindra: But I don't to be real, I I I haven't gotten a project where I've been asked to do anamorphic because most commercial corporate stuff is not anamorphic.
1:33:11
Vipul Bindra: Uh most I'm not saying all.
1:33:13
Vipul Bindra: So, huh?
1:33:14
Elias Andres: Do you like the look of anamorphic lenses?
1:33:16
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, absolutely for the right project.
1:33:17
Vipul Bindra: I mean, maybe a commercial, I wouldn't ever use it on a corporate.
1:33:20
Vipul Bindra: I know people who have, but I'm just like, this is not the medium, because you know, uh funny enough, uh, we get paid so much money to not make content with iPhones because people want don't want it to look that cinematic.
1:33:32
Vipul Bindra: No, yeah, that's they want to tell a good story, which is why we still get hired.
1:33:35
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, the again, the camera is not the factor.
1:33:38
Vipul Bindra: I'm just saying.
1:33:38
Vipul Bindra: So, yeah, I don't think uh people care.
1:33:41
Vipul Bindra: Like, yeah, uh, you know, Atlas Marquis, I guess, on a mini LF.
1:33:46
Vipul Bindra: That's not really the desired uh uh look I'm saying for for most corporate projects.
1:33:53
Vipul Bindra: I don't want to see, say, because I'm sure somebody watching is like, oh, I did this project.
1:33:57
Vipul Bindra: So, you know, there's always uh random projects here and there where you do it.
1:34:00
Vipul Bindra: But I'm saying it's not a common request that I get.
1:34:03
Vipul Bindra: Usually agencies want spherical lenses, and like I said, generally if they have the budget, I go for the Ari lenses or cook lenses, and if not, like I said, we'll bring our Sony lenses or we'll rent something.
1:34:14
Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I've rented Athena's, now I have R's to offer them, and that's kind of where we limit ourselves to.
1:34:20
Vipul Bindra: Like I said, it's very rare nowadays to deviate from that.
1:34:23
Vipul Bindra: And then I'm talking the last two years, just because it's kind of become the standard.
1:34:27
Vipul Bindra: I feel a change coming, I feel the industry is gonna shift in the next year, but right now it's not.
1:34:32
Vipul Bindra: Right now, I haven't heard you know, any emails come through where they're like, Oh yeah, we want this or that, you know, because because then I'll be like, okay, it's shifting, it's changing.
1:34:42
Vipul Bindra: Uh, and I'll just go with the trend, you know.
1:34:44
Vipul Bindra: That's yeah, that's so that's what I'm saying.
1:34:46
Vipul Bindra: It'll be a cool project to do all this creative anamorphic stuff.
1:34:50
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, then you never get the chance to, you know.
1:34:51
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and if if somebody called me for commercial and they said we want to do anamorphic, I would absolutely do it.
1:34:56
Vipul Bindra: I mean, that's not an issue.
1:34:57
Vipul Bindra: It's just I'm saying nobody's asking for it.
1:34:59
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, they are at least the price range I am in.
1:35:02
Vipul Bindra: Uh normally, like I said, I've done some really high-end stuff, but most average projects, I'm saying we're we're in that, you know, small project.
1:35:10
Vipul Bindra: I would say like 10,000 to 100,000, and in between that, that's kind of where my my projects are uh, you know, average being about that 25k ish, I would say.
1:35:20
Vipul Bindra: But then some corporate projects are low.
1:35:22
Vipul Bindra: I don't want to say it's all high.
1:35:23
Vipul Bindra: Sometimes, you know, it's a corporate video, 3, 4k.
1:35:26
Vipul Bindra: Sometimes we go to inter uh meetings and then the client says 1k, and I'm like, I don't know how to do that professionally.
1:35:32
Vipul Bindra: Because you know, again, I don't want to discount that 1k is not a lot of money, but when you're trying to do it properly, I'm saying color it, you know, shoot it, edit it, light it, come up with the creative, uh, you know, pay my editors, pay Mario, you know, pay other shooters that are gonna come, then it's like hard to to do.
1:35:49
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and and sometimes so sometimes you know we just have to say no because it's like, hey, that's not doable.
1:35:55
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, do you have that happen where you have to just go, no, not the right fit, or not yet?
1:36:00
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah, because I mean it's like you know, when you start out, you know, you take any job you can, you're like, okay, I'll do this for $300, I guess.
1:36:07
Elias Andres: Which is not great.
1:36:08
Elias Andres: But yeah, and but then yeah, eventually you get to a point where you're like, okay, I know that I can't, it would just hurt me at the end of the day.
1:36:15
Elias Andres: Because I first of all, I know I can do better.
1:36:18
Elias Andres: It's just that I just I'm not gonna bring all this gear, bring people and do this, and I'm like, I'm losing money on something.
1:36:24
Elias Andres: Um, and it's like it's just not, it doesn't show what I can do, it doesn't show like my potential, you know.
1:36:30
Elias Andres: Yes, and so yeah, at the end of the day, it's like you it's almost like you gotta help yourself and be like, okay, listen, this is gonna hurt this is actually gonna hurt you.
1:36:36
Elias Andres: This $300, $500, whatever like low budget it is, is actually gonna hurt you in the long run than it is gonna help you.
1:36:42
Vipul Bindra: Especially my thing is I like to work with legit businesses, right?
1:36:45
Vipul Bindra: As in, look, there's a business.
1:36:48
Vipul Bindra: You're your let's say your friend is like, I'm gonna start baking cookies in my my kitchen, which is I don't even know if that's legal, you know, and packaging them and selling them, right?
1:36:57
Vipul Bindra: I want a video, I'll pay you, buddy, and like a dinner or 300 bucks, right?
1:37:01
Vipul Bindra: The thing is, that obviously, yeah, that's their budget.
1:37:05
Vipul Bindra: It has nothing to do with they're being mean to you or whatever.
1:37:08
Vipul Bindra: They don't have the money for you, right?
1:37:10
Vipul Bindra: And you you can do the best.
1:37:11
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, you could go above and beyond then the money, but that's not a business at that point, right?
1:37:15
Vipul Bindra: That's again passion, helping a friend.
1:37:17
Vipul Bindra: But when you're doing this as a company, look, like so many people depend on me.
1:37:20
Vipul Bindra: Like, to be real, I don't want to get in discount.
1:37:22
Vipul Bindra: We're not that big company, it's just me and a bunch of contractors.
1:37:25
Vipul Bindra: But there's a lot of people that kind of depend on me for work or or whatever.
1:37:29
Vipul Bindra: Um, and you know, I I it's not a charity, is what I'm saying.
1:37:33
Vipul Bindra: We're actually really cheap for what we do, in my opinion.
1:37:35
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:37:36
Vipul Bindra: Like I said, but I'm not cheap, you know, as in like we don't do video for 500 because that's impossible in a place like Central Florida.
1:37:43
Vipul Bindra: And a lot of times we're flying, it won't even buy that plane ticket to go to the location than to shoot.
1:37:48
Vipul Bindra: But compared to the agencies they're comparing us to against, we're like a fraction of a price.
1:37:53
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and that's what I'm saying, it's the client you're looking at.
1:37:55
Vipul Bindra: So if you go to the mom and pop shop and I tell them $5K for a video, which is lower side for me, and they go, Whoa, that's a lot of money.
1:38:04
Vipul Bindra: No, I'll just call somebody else or whatever, right?
1:38:06
Vipul Bindra: That's one approach.
1:38:07
Vipul Bindra: Then we're too expensive.
1:38:08
Vipul Bindra: But then you go to an agency who who's gonna charge 100K to the client to do a conference coverage, and they call me and say 15k, can you do the conference coverage, right?
1:38:18
Vipul Bindra: They pull 85, and I'm not kidding.
1:38:20
Vipul Bindra: That's the kind of numbers a lot of agencies can pull.
1:38:23
Vipul Bindra: And then they'll pay me 15k and they'll put 85 in their pocket, and that happens a lot, right?
1:38:29
Vipul Bindra: In that case, I'm the cheap guy.
1:38:30
Vipul Bindra: They're hiring me because we can do a good job in that 15k, right?
1:38:34
Vipul Bindra: Where the client won't go, that we paid you 100k, and why does this look like BS?
1:38:38
Vipul Bindra: So that makes sense, but they're not looking for the most cinematic thing.
1:38:41
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, what I'm saying is to them we're cheap, and then to some we're like really expensive.
1:38:46
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I think it's just a way of looking at it.
1:38:48
Vipul Bindra: Like, for example, when I help friends, so I I'm not always freelancers, but if I have my schedule's free, I'll go help out.
1:38:55
Vipul Bindra: Uh, and then, but what I charge for my day rate, I generally bring my van.
1:38:59
Vipul Bindra: It's like you can't rent this stuff, you know what I mean?
1:39:01
Vipul Bindra: Like, go rent some Cheps mics, a couple FX6s, and a couple FX3s, and uh, you know, a 1200X, a couple of 400Xs.
1:39:09
Vipul Bindra: You calculate the cost of, and that's the basic stuff.
1:39:11
Vipul Bindra: That's not counting the stands, grip, you know, generally you're pulling from the van.
1:39:15
Elias Andres: Right.
1:39:15
Vipul Bindra: You account for that.
1:39:16
Vipul Bindra: Uh the rental cost, it's higher than what I'm charging, you know.
1:39:19
Vipul Bindra: Like, so they're just getting me for free.
1:39:21
Vipul Bindra: And but I I do that for friends because we have enough of our clients that can pay the bill.
1:39:26
Vipul Bindra: I could never, this would never happen, which is why it's a rarity to have people like that in your network because uh um, you know, it's just not financially feasible.
1:39:36
Vipul Bindra: The only way I can make this financially work is I have clients that pay big numbers, and then you can then offset that between all of them, right?
1:39:45
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:39:45
Vipul Bindra: All this equipment, and it's always something new, right?
1:39:48
Vipul Bindra: There's always something coming.
1:39:49
Vipul Bindra: Uh, like I was showing Mario, a new camera showed up literally yesterday.
1:39:53
Vipul Bindra: I haven't even turned like recorded with it yet.
1:39:56
Vipul Bindra: So it's like always something new happening, and we have to have it because our clients are expecting us to have the latest technology, right?
1:40:02
Vipul Bindra: But the reason we can afford it is it gets split.
1:40:05
Vipul Bindra: So that it only costs a client a fraction of the money because it's divided in the hundreds of clients I'm working with.
1:40:11
Vipul Bindra: And that's that's what I'm saying.
1:40:12
Vipul Bindra: So, and that helps my friends or other people that I'm freelancing with.
1:40:16
Vipul Bindra: Why not?
1:40:16
Vipul Bindra: I don't mind it.
1:40:17
Vipul Bindra: I already have that in my van.
1:40:19
Vipul Bindra: I'm not gonna, it's more work for me to go take this out, take this out than to just show up.
1:40:24
Vipul Bindra: Obviously, there's a reason, obviously, if they hire me to do lighting and now we start pulling all the camera equipment, then it's like uh uh but if it's a yeah, but if it's a friend, I wouldn't maybe not that much, but you know what I mean.
1:40:36
Vipul Bindra: Like there's a there's a thing uh about navigating that, but I don't mind that because again, I wish like and and to be real, I have friends who help me out all the time.
1:40:45
Vipul Bindra: I've had friends where like I know what your rate is.
1:40:48
Vipul Bindra: Hey, can you really I need you to come just operate a camera for me?
1:40:51
Vipul Bindra: You don't need to bring anything.
1:40:52
Vipul Bindra: Can you work for this rate?
1:40:54
Vipul Bindra: And I know it's a lower rate than they take, and I was like, it's okay if you say no, and then they'll say yes because they know I'll do the same thing for them, right?
1:41:01
Vipul Bindra: I'll show it with all this crap when they need me.
1:41:04
Vipul Bindra: And I think that's uh the the again then coming back full circle to where we began.
1:41:09
Vipul Bindra: It's the power of networking, man.
1:41:10
Vipul Bindra: It's like helping each other out as long as you do it in a genuine way.
1:41:14
Vipul Bindra: I think it comes back, at least my experience.
1:41:16
Vipul Bindra: If you work with nice people, oh yeah, um, you know, it's always reciprocated, and uh, and um, you know, and that's how you grow.
1:41:24
Vipul Bindra: Is the whole point I started this was I want people to have real conversations from people who make real money going out and doing this, and uh and and and just see a perspective because there's so many different ways to go about this.
1:41:38
Vipul Bindra: You don't have to do what I do, yeah.
1:41:40
Vipul Bindra: You if you don't have hundreds of clients who can who can pay you enough to split all these costs, then this is not the right way of doing it, right?
1:41:47
Vipul Bindra: And that's why it's like, hey, here's 20 other approaches on how to do this.
1:41:52
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
1:41:52
Elias Andres: And I mean I've listened to the podcast, and there's you know, one guy that he just used the DJI Osmo, like that's how he makes his money.
1:41:58
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, Justin probably hates me for that because I made it seem like that's the only camera he owns.
1:42:02
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but he owns obviously more cameras than that.
1:42:05
Vipul Bindra: But he does do a lot of work with the Pocket 3, and funny enough, I want to shout him out.
1:42:09
Vipul Bindra: I was totally against small cameras, right?
1:42:12
Vipul Bindra: I was last time I used my GoPros, I need to sell them because they're so old, it was like four years ago, five years ago.
1:42:17
Vipul Bindra: Take that back before this year, let me say.
1:42:20
Vipul Bindra: Okay, because we have been using a lot of small lucky.
1:42:22
Vipul Bindra: So I want to say before I talked to like Justin, I was like, no, these small cameras are not good enough or whatever, like they're they don't keep up.
1:42:29
Vipul Bindra: Like the other cameras have come up, but no, like I was just not playing with the latest small cameras, so we own like Osmo360 from DJI now, two two Action 5 Pros, two Osmo Pocket 3s.
1:42:41
Vipul Bindra: So I've like compiled a good list of small cameras, and they are being wonderful.
1:42:45
Vipul Bindra: So projects where we just need like a bunch of angles, sports stuff, wherever, you know, fast action-based stuff.
1:42:52
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:42:52
Vipul Bindra: Where yes, could we mount an FX3?
1:42:54
Vipul Bindra: Uh, you know, but we don't have five FX3s, you know what I mean?
1:42:57
Vipul Bindra: Like we have two.
1:42:58
Vipul Bindra: So to be able to get 10 different angles or whatever, we cannot throw all these cameras at the same time.
1:43:03
Vipul Bindra: We did a project with a car company uh uh months ago where it was so amazing to use these cameras.
1:43:10
Vipul Bindra: So, what I'm saying is yes to to say I I have turned around on that as in like I love these small cameras, I think they're wonderful, right tools.
1:43:19
Vipul Bindra: Now, I don't personally think I would exclusively show it with a pocket three for a client, but I think it makes for an incredible.
1:43:26
Vipul Bindra: We we did a shot.
1:43:27
Vipul Bindra: Do you remember that day, Mario?
1:43:28
Vipul Bindra: You and I meant, and we did like a vortex shot.
1:43:31
Vipul Bindra: Now, yes, we had a gimbal, we had an FX3 on it.
1:43:34
Vipul Bindra: Could we have, yes, done the Vortex shot and the FX3?
1:43:37
Vipul Bindra: But our arms hurt, you know, after that.
1:43:39
Vipul Bindra: And so we did all the B-roll with the FX3s, but then we were like, hey, let's do some creative stuff.
1:43:43
Vipul Bindra: Now we're just here.
1:43:44
Vipul Bindra: So I brought a Procit 3 just because now I have one.
1:43:47
Vipul Bindra: I just throw it, it doesn't take space.
1:43:49
Vipul Bindra: And we literally did like a vortex shot because it's also gimbal, right?
1:43:52
Vipul Bindra: With that, and it was so cool.
1:43:54
Vipul Bindra: And when we looked at it, it was like this is not bad, you know, at all.
1:43:57
Vipul Bindra: And it this will cut in perfectly within this footage, because again, because cameras nowadays are good enough.
1:44:03
Vipul Bindra: What do you think?
1:44:05
Mario Rangel: Right?
1:44:05
Mario Rangel: No, it was I mean, it's so easy to use.
1:44:09
Mario Rangel: Um, yeah, I mean you can you can do shots that you normally I mean you need more money, more people, uh and it's just so easy.
1:44:19
Mario Rangel: I mean, and it was yeah, it turned out great.
1:44:21
Mario Rangel: Did you already use that footage or not yet?
1:44:23
Vipul Bindra: Not yet, we haven't gotten there.
1:44:25
Vipul Bindra: But but that's the part I'm talking about.
1:44:27
Vipul Bindra: We have whole car rigging stuff right there.
1:44:29
Vipul Bindra: I can put an FX6 on a car if you wanted to, if there's a budget.
1:44:32
Vipul Bindra: But for this client, for example, they had a budget, but it wasn't you know huge.
1:44:37
Vipul Bindra: Right.
1:44:38
Vipul Bindra: So, how do we get them good shots?
1:44:41
Vipul Bindra: Pocket threes with those the the Hydra Alien minis, you know?
1:44:45
Vipul Bindra: And and you put those, you put some action cameras, you we got great footage, uh incredible footage, and we were able to get that fast because remember, we only had access to uh the track for a couple hours or whatever, something like that, each track.
1:45:00
Vipul Bindra: So it's not even like um you know, and again, low budget stuff, it's not even like I was like, Oh, I'll go above and beyond, you know, the amount of people we would take to grip a car rig and then to be able to change it, we wouldn't have gotten that many shots.
1:45:13
Vipul Bindra: Sure, it would have looked better, but at the end of the day, it cuts well because our our FPV drone pilots putting an F Action 5 on it anyway.
1:45:20
Vipul Bindra: You see what I'm saying?
1:45:21
Vipul Bindra: It all actually cuts well, and uh, like I said, so I've turned around as in like again, I don't think I could only make all my living with pocket threes, but I am not afraid to sh uh cut uh you know an Action 5 Pro or an Osmo 360 shot or a Pocket 3 shot in a in a footage now.
1:45:40
Vipul Bindra: Yeah because and like I said, I own a collection of them now.
1:45:43
Vipul Bindra: So that happened this year, and I think they're a good uh stuff to have again because it fits in certain levels of shooter, certain types of shots.
1:45:52
Vipul Bindra: Uh, I think especially like if the client's budget is low, it's just a couple of one of two of us, not a whole crew, right?
1:45:58
Vipul Bindra: And we want to do cool, our arms are gonna get tired.
1:46:00
Vipul Bindra: We can't do 12 hours of gimbal holding.
1:46:03
Vipul Bindra: So here's where it's like, hey, we'll do we'll mix and match, we'll get some extra shots, and then the client's getting more because they don't care, they just want the shots, you know.
1:46:11
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and uh that's the realistic part of this business.
1:46:15
Vipul Bindra: Like, I can come here and tell you, like, we light everything perfect, we do this, we do that.
1:46:19
Vipul Bindra: Yes, we do some of that, but we do some of it, it's like run and gun.
1:46:23
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, you gotta be adaptable, you gotta be flexible.
1:46:25
Vipul Bindra: And then the and the end day, um, trust me, if you'd gone to my client, somebody listening would be like, and that's why I'm like, that's the bad business approach.
1:46:32
Vipul Bindra: If somebody's like, okay, sure, I need to find this client, and I'll go, I'll take the same money, but I will, you know, give you a full FX3 Wartech shot or whatever.
1:46:40
Vipul Bindra: I'm just saying.
1:46:40
Vipul Bindra: People think that way, and they and it's like, you think you'll get that client?
1:46:44
Vipul Bindra: No, because the reason we had the client has nothing to do with equipment, it's because we built years and years and years of relationship by doing jobs and jobs and jobs.
1:46:53
Vipul Bindra: That's how you'll get the job.
1:46:55
Vipul Bindra: And then when you get there, yes, please use whatever equipment you want.
1:46:59
Vipul Bindra: But I want, if any of us are helping anyone in any ways, just get there.
1:47:03
Vipul Bindra: And then that is just building relationships and being nice and doing a great job.
1:47:08
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I don't know if just killing your arms is the way to get there.
1:47:12
Vipul Bindra: It's a it's a bunch of stuff, I'm saying, yeah, to get there, right?
1:47:15
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
1:47:15
Elias Andres: And you know, that's that's interesting.
1:47:17
Elias Andres: Like, what we do is like you know, some people do different stuff, like cars, like you know, there's different equipment for that.
1:47:22
Elias Andres: Like, um, if you're doing like food stuff, you know, it's so weird.
1:47:26
Elias Andres: Like, there's like like macro lenses, like I do micro lenses, okay.
1:47:30
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, and like in I'm I wish Sony, Sony would make one.
1:47:32
Vipul Bindra: I don't have a uh like a GM macro lens that's good.
1:47:36
Vipul Bindra: I used to love my uh Canon 100 millimeter.
1:47:39
Vipul Bindra: I used that so much for product stuff.
1:47:41
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
1:47:41
Vipul Bindra: The L lens.
1:47:42
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, yeah.
1:47:42
Vipul Bindra: But anyway, I had both the RF version and the EF version of it, so it was really good.
1:47:48
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:47:49
Elias Andres: It's interesting to see what people use it.
1:47:50
Elias Andres: And it's like, I'm like, ah, would I use it?
1:47:52
Vipul Bindra: Because I've done makeup stuff, you know, like where it's just you know, you're just taking photos of lipsticks or I don't know.
1:47:57
Vipul Bindra: See, that's what I say, I've done it, but I don't know what each product is called.
1:48:00
Vipul Bindra: I was just moving them one by one, right?
1:48:02
Vipul Bindra: And you do some videos, some photos of each product.
1:48:04
Vipul Bindra: So we'll do that, you know, for obviously.
1:48:06
Vipul Bindra: So you need a good macro lens to be able to do that, yeah.
1:48:09
Elias Andres: Interesting.
1:48:09
Vipul Bindra: So uh, so what what where do you see your career going?
1:48:14
Vipul Bindra: Uh do you plan to come back for after a year from Brazil?
1:48:17
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
1:48:18
Vipul Bindra: Well are you sure about that?
1:48:19
Vipul Bindra: What if you love it?
1:48:20
Elias Andres: I mean, I already love it.
1:48:21
Elias Andres: Like, I've been there eight times.
1:48:22
Elias Andres: I I learned Portuguese because I loved it.
1:48:25
Elias Andres: I mean, it's just an amazing place.
1:48:27
Elias Andres: Like it literally it literally mimics the US because like everyone there uh comes from all over the place.
1:48:33
Elias Andres: There's people from Japan, from India, from uh like Europe.
1:48:38
Elias Andres: Like there's literally, I went to a place in Santa Catarina, just like a state there, and there's a city called Blumenau, where they have the largest Oktoberfest outside of Germany.
1:48:48
Elias Andres: Wow.
1:48:48
Elias Andres: And so everybody just, you know, you go there and it looks they look German.
1:48:52
Elias Andres: Like it's crazy.
1:48:53
Elias Andres: And they're speaking German.
1:48:54
Elias Andres: They're actually it's a weird Portuguese-German hybrid, but it's it's interesting.
1:48:57
Elias Andres: So like there's just so many like different like uh cultures there.
1:49:02
Elias Andres: You go up to the north because of the African slave trade, like there's so many, like, there's an African uh culture there that's so different from the South where all the Italians and Germans go.
1:49:12
Elias Andres: So what I I'm a big history guy, I love history, and so when I went to Brazil, I didn't I went during COVID, so I was like, oh, let me just go here.
1:49:19
Elias Andres: It's a second uh COVID thing, so like this was the first.
1:49:23
Elias Andres: I was like, oh, I'm actually gonna be in a safer place in a way.
1:49:26
Elias Andres: And then uh as soon as I got there, you know, I learned so much.
1:49:29
Elias Andres: I was like, oh wow, there's such a rich history.
1:49:32
Elias Andres: So for me personally, it's more like uh, you know, it's like taking time off and like figuring, you know, like just meeting new people because that's the whole point again about what we do is like it's just meet meet other people.
1:49:43
Vipul Bindra: Like there's yeah, at the end of the day, you want to be creative, yeah.
1:49:46
Vipul Bindra: And can you be creative in Brazil?
1:49:48
Vipul Bindra: Of course you can be.
1:49:49
Vipul Bindra: You can be creative anywhere.
1:49:51
Vipul Bindra: And I think also uh the advantage you have, um, and again, I don't I don't like to say saturated because I think there's enough work in the US for everyone, but but A market like Brazil is so huge and it's gonna keep growing, it's it's growing way more exponentially compared to I'm saying the US.
1:50:08
Vipul Bindra: So the work there is gonna grow much, much faster than I'm saying that that will grow here, right?
1:50:13
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, uh same thing I tell people in other countries like India and China, it's just the brands there, the homegrown brands, are just exploding, you know.
1:50:21
Vipul Bindra: We don't have that.
1:50:23
Vipul Bindra: Uh even look at our industry.
1:50:25
Vipul Bindra: I'm saying we don't have that um what do you call the clutch of German and Japanese products anymore.
1:50:32
Vipul Bindra: Like uh talk about DZ Owens is a Chinese company, Aperture, Chinese company, DD Microphone, Chinese.
1:50:37
Vipul Bindra: So I'm saying there's a lot of these small countries that are building companies that are going huge.
1:50:42
Vipul Bindra: I mean, look at Australia with the road, you know.
1:50:45
Vipul Bindra: So I'm saying so many companies that are coming outside of Germany, US, and and Japan, the typical places I'm saying where film products came from.
1:50:53
Vipul Bindra: So all these economic uh, and these are just in our industry, there's so many other companies I'm saying growing out of these countries.
1:50:59
Vipul Bindra: So uh the economy of uh I'm saying all these other countries is growing like exponentially, if that's the right way to even say it.
1:51:08
Vipul Bindra: But it's growing tremendously, yeah.
1:51:10
Vipul Bindra: So at the end of the day, I'm saying if you're just looking for opportunities, I think uh, and if you're interested in world travel, I think that they may be places to go for a lot of people.
1:51:19
Vipul Bindra: I'm happy in the US, I'm not leaving.
1:51:22
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but you know, I'm just saying I'm excited for you.
1:51:25
Elias Andres: Yeah, yeah.
1:51:25
Elias Andres: And I mean we're in a market that's it's not even that big, like Orlando, you know, West Palm Beach.
1:51:31
Elias Andres: I think Miami's the biggest one, Tampa.
1:51:33
Elias Andres: But like, is that like compared to like LA or New York City?
1:51:36
Elias Andres: Like, those are obviously more than that.
1:51:37
Vipul Bindra: And that's what I'm saying, it's not even a huge market, and there's so much work, like so much work.
1:51:42
Vipul Bindra: It's it's crazy, and that's what I'm saying.
1:51:44
Vipul Bindra: Like, yeah, uh that's why I'm like, I'm not a fan of when somebody's like, I I'm in a small market.
1:51:49
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, no, there is work, you just have to go find it.
1:51:51
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, or they don't know where how to find you, and that's the the connection piece, but there is so much work.
1:51:56
Vipul Bindra: I hear every day somebody's like, Oh, yeah, we were looking for a radiographer or looking for somebody to help us with our headshots or whatever, and they just don't know where to find it, or where to find somebody trustworthy.
1:52:07
Vipul Bindra: That's the other thing.
1:52:08
Vipul Bindra: Oh, yeah.
1:52:08
Vipul Bindra: They may know someone, but they're like, they're not the quality that we're looking for.
1:52:11
Vipul Bindra: They're they're looking for a certain level of quality or whatever, but or the certain level of budget or whatever, right?
1:52:17
Vipul Bindra: And then um, that's where we come in.
1:52:19
Vipul Bindra: So uh before we go, I know we're our time is wrapping up.
1:52:23
Vipul Bindra: Uh, what what do you like more?
1:52:25
Vipul Bindra: Photo or video?
1:52:27
Elias Andres: Uh if I want to get the job done, photo.
1:52:30
Elias Andres: Like it's just easier.
1:52:31
Elias Andres: I can't just bring one flash or one uh you know, strobe, whatever, uh uh God's 80 200 pro, whatever, and call it a day.
1:52:40
Elias Andres: Like it's just super easy with video.
1:52:42
Elias Andres: My god, you need so much stuff.
1:52:44
Elias Andres: It's like I, you know, it's just I honestly I do photos just because it's like it's easier.
1:52:49
Elias Andres: Yeah, it's easier.
1:52:50
Elias Andres: You could you could get more creative, you could do everything by yourself.
1:52:54
Elias Andres: Yeah, you know, you could do so much crazy stuff, like everything's super cheap.
1:52:57
Elias Andres: Like if you want a strobe or a flash, it's like $200, right?
1:53:00
Elias Andres: Yeah, no, no.
1:53:01
Elias Andres: And aperture is like, you know, a thousand, whatever.
1:53:03
Elias Andres: Yeah, it's still pretty cheap compared to like you know, back in the day.
1:53:06
Elias Andres: But yeah, you could do so much, you know, you could you could Photoshop the hell out of it.
1:53:10
Elias Andres: You're shooting it raw, you know, you could do exponentially much more stuff.
1:53:14
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, funny enough.
1:53:15
Vipul Bindra: Uh uh a while back, I just wanted to add um photo equipment to our site because you know, we owned everything because you know, I'm a production house, but I was like, why do I not own flashes?
1:53:26
Vipul Bindra: Because sometimes I have where I'll hire a uh photographer, but they don't have two flashes, for example, they have two cameras, but they're swapping, and it's fine, but I'm like, this is efficiency loss, you know.
1:53:35
Vipul Bindra: So I'm like, it'd be so cool to just be like, hey, here you go.
1:53:38
Vipul Bindra: Here's a flash or whatever.
1:53:39
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, so anyway, so I I I reached out of my uh um my sales rep, and I I literally was like, give me the latest two on-camera flashes for I think I was telling you about this uh for um for Sony cameras, you know, and then I need uh one, like whatever highest strobe you have, just to have it.
1:53:58
Vipul Bindra: And I'm telling you, I bought that.
1:54:00
Vipul Bindra: I literally was like, give me the best that they have right now, and it was so much all combined, entire photography stuff was cheaper than like typical aperture light that I buy.
1:54:08
Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, what the?
1:54:09
Vipul Bindra: And then everyone's like, I talked to these photographers, like, dude, I would like to know that latest strobe and it's so expensive.
1:54:16
Vipul Bindra: And I'm like, dude, you don't want to then see the video side because uh I ordered uh, like I said, three uh 400X's, but then you need a Fresnel for each, then you need this, and that's what another thing I hate now.
1:54:27
Vipul Bindra: Every light has its own Fresnel, you cannot just buy universal things anymore.
1:54:30
Vipul Bindra: Every light has its own spot if you want it to be efficient, you know, the properly designed, right?
1:54:35
Vipul Bindra: Then you need its own spotlight mount, then you need this, that like it becomes so expensive, and that's just one light, right?
1:54:41
Vipul Bindra: Now you need a truck like mine, these 30 fixtures, and then you know it's constantly upgrading.
1:54:46
Vipul Bindra: Then owning a production company is like, oh, we need new bodies, we need new sound, we need this, this yeah.
1:54:53
Vipul Bindra: It gets hard to keep up, even for somebody like me who's obsessed with uh, yeah.
1:54:58
Elias Andres: It just is picking up like your photos is like you kind of reach a limit.
1:55:01
Elias Andres: There's like that you can't get anything unless you get like a gold lens that's you know, whatever encrusted with diamonds.
1:55:08
Vipul Bindra: Like you kind of just you kind of be like, it just comes down to your skill, right?
1:55:11
Vipul Bindra: Like being able to capture the moment, be in the moment, yeah, uh get whatever the you know the best is from, especially event photography.
1:55:18
Vipul Bindra: We can't recreate the moment.
1:55:20
Elias Andres: Or like if it's your style, if you want to get like a Leica or Hasselbad or Fuji look, you know, it's like hey, that's that's all like just purely aesthetics and style.
1:55:29
Elias Andres: You're like, oh, I won that Leica look.
1:55:31
Vipul Bindra: And yeah, but that's just because I don't think most corporate now, yes, it does matter, I think, when you're doing personal uh stuff, but I think most clients don't care.
1:55:39
Vipul Bindra: Uh like I I usually that's so funny.
1:55:42
Vipul Bindra: Like with video, right now we're in the Sony system, so I ask for other video people who know how to operate Sony cameras.
1:55:48
Vipul Bindra: But outside that, like if I switch, I wouldn't care.
1:55:50
Vipul Bindra: But uh photo, I haven't I've never cared.
1:55:53
Vipul Bindra: I'm like, I don't care.
1:55:54
Vipul Bindra: Do you what do you system?
1:55:55
Vipul Bindra: I usually ask, but because I'm not editing them.
1:55:57
Vipul Bindra: If I was, that's different.
1:55:59
Vipul Bindra: Uh so I generally ask, like you're a canon, Sony, whatever.
1:56:02
Vipul Bindra: But outside that, I wouldn't care.
1:56:03
Vipul Bindra: Like when I hired you as a photographer, why would I care?
1:56:05
Vipul Bindra: You're in Fuji, like uh Hasselblad, as long as the photo, and I'm pretty sure most clients don't care.
1:56:10
Vipul Bindra: Tell me in the comments if uh you guys have experienced it differently.
1:56:14
Vipul Bindra: I think most clients want, I'm talking event again, stuff I do, headshots, editorial uh events, right?
1:56:21
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, kind of limited to business what businesses want.
1:56:23
Vipul Bindra: Right, they don't care what cameras like you're like, this is hustle blah, this is you know, like uh like the new DJI made the hustle blah was so cool.
1:56:32
Vipul Bindra: I don't know if you've seen it, like with the anyway, or you have the Leica.
1:56:35
Vipul Bindra: I've had this man, people get so obsessed with tech with the gear, and I get it, but it's like this uh it's a Leica, bro.
1:56:42
Vipul Bindra: You know, I don't know.
1:56:43
Vipul Bindra: I don't care, like the amount just to just to have it, it's so funny just because it says Leica on it.
1:56:49
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, um and then that's fine.
1:56:51
Vipul Bindra: If I mean that makes them happy.
1:56:52
Vipul Bindra: My thing is as at least for me, the the thing is I need the deliverables.
1:56:56
Vipul Bindra: The client says we need pictures from this event.
1:56:59
Vipul Bindra: I don't care what you shot it on, as long as they look good, client's happy, I'm happy, uh, the photographer's happy, and then I can hopefully give them more work in the future.
1:57:09
Vipul Bindra: That's at least the the way I approach it.
1:57:11
Vipul Bindra: Uh, because yeah.
1:57:13
Elias Andres: Yeah, but I like I said, I do like video, it's just uh I need a crew.
1:57:16
Elias Andres: Like you know, that's the thing is you need a crew.
1:57:18
Elias Andres: You if you want to do something good, you gotta get a crew.
1:57:20
Vipul Bindra: No, and that's the thing about video, it gets really complex really fast.
1:57:25
Vipul Bindra: Like you can pull out your phone, right?
1:57:27
Vipul Bindra: Start recording, that's video.
1:57:29
Vipul Bindra: Very simple, don't need anything.
1:57:30
Vipul Bindra: You pull out an FXC with a lens, that gets video.
1:57:33
Vipul Bindra: But then you start to, you know, the more refined it gets, and that's why I I tell people like a video could mean anything.
1:57:39
Vipul Bindra: Because now you're like, okay, we need better sound, you bring a sound guy.
1:57:42
Vipul Bindra: Now you're like better lighting, you bring people to light.
1:57:44
Vipul Bindra: Now you need lights, you need stands.
1:57:46
Vipul Bindra: Oh, we gotta control the spill here.
1:57:48
Vipul Bindra: Now you need to bring grip, you need C stands.
1:57:50
Vipul Bindra: You know, gyms.
1:57:51
Vipul Bindra: Okay, and it starts to get more and more.
1:57:54
Vipul Bindra: And then the thing is where you get to where I I don't know if you do what I do, but like where I am, they'll they'll ask, like, we have an interview shoot going on, they're like, Okay, we're ready for B-roll.
1:58:03
Vipul Bindra: So they expect a whole crew just for B-roll.
1:58:05
Vipul Bindra: And we did that, he did that a shoot with me where we were like in the middle of interviews, and I had to send two guys to go start doing B-roll, and that's common because they have they're they're on limited time, limited money, you know.
1:58:16
Vipul Bindra: So it's like we but I'm saying I need multiple crews at the same time going because otherwise that's the expectation the project's gonna happen.
1:58:23
Vipul Bindra: People go, you know, where's the money going?
1:58:25
Vipul Bindra: That's where the money is going.
1:58:26
Vipul Bindra: So it gets uh it gets complicated, hard, but like I said, I love it too.
1:58:30
Vipul Bindra: And I'm the opposite.
1:58:31
Vipul Bindra: I'm like photo, I'd rather just give it to someone so I can just focus on one because that already takes so much of my energy, right?
1:58:40
Vipul Bindra: Uh, but it's nuts, but anyway, bro, it's been too long.
1:58:44
Vipul Bindra: Uh I guess take I've taken too much of your time.
1:58:47
Vipul Bindra: I know you've got a long, long drive back.
1:58:49
Vipul Bindra: I really appreciate you.
1:58:50
Vipul Bindra: You didn't have to drive all this way from West Palm Beach all the way to Orlando.
1:58:55
Vipul Bindra: But I really appreciate because I really wanted to uh you know have this awesome conversation with you because I guess every time we've been on the phone, it's it's just an incredible conversation.
1:59:04
Vipul Bindra: Plus um, I think you bring a unique perspective.
1:59:07
Vipul Bindra: Uh especially I'm looking forward to your adventures in Brazil.
1:59:10
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, I'll be documenting it.
1:59:12
Elias Andres: I'll be on a YouTube channel.
1:59:13
Elias Andres: I'm gonna do like uh hey, almost like uh that one guy um he moved from New York to Cali or something like that.
1:59:20
Elias Andres: Uh he made a YouTube channel about that, and he you know, a Lucas Ross thing or something.
1:59:24
Elias Andres: Okay, I don't know.
1:59:24
Elias Andres: I'm not sure.
1:59:25
Elias Andres: But anyway, yeah, yeah.
1:59:26
Elias Andres: So I'll I'll make the whole thing like, okay, listen, this is me.
1:59:29
Elias Andres: I'm a video photographer, moving to a new place.
1:59:32
Elias Andres: And I think people want to see that.
1:59:33
Elias Andres: Yeah, you know, that'd be really cool.
1:59:34
Elias Andres: I would see that.
1:59:35
Elias Andres: So that's awesome.
1:59:36
Elias Andres: Yeah, because it's again, it's just like you know, if you could do it here, you could do it anywhere, right?
1:59:40
Elias Andres: Yeah, exactly.
1:59:40
Elias Andres: It's like, and it's just again, it's just the two things be proactive and just use your social skills.
1:59:45
Elias Andres: Yeah, exactly.
1:59:46
Vipul Bindra: Because it's not like you need new skills, videos the same, photos the same.
1:59:50
Vipul Bindra: You just need to know, meet people there who know that what you can do because they can hire you, right?
1:59:54
Vipul Bindra: That's actions and there.
1:59:55
Vipul Bindra: That's exactly what that is.
1:59:56
Vipul Bindra: And and uh um that's exciting.
1:59:59
Vipul Bindra: Like I said, I would love to watch that channel.
2:00:00
Vipul Bindra: Is there a name?
2:00:01
Vipul Bindra: Have you made the channel already?
2:00:03
Elias Andres: Shout it out?
2:00:03
Elias Andres: Not yet, but uh I'll probably just use my regular YouTube channel I have for now.
2:00:07
Elias Andres: It's called This Is Film.
2:00:08
Elias Andres: Okay.
2:00:08
Elias Andres: And it's just you know, it's about like it's filmmaking stuff.
2:00:12
Elias Andres: Again, I'm big into that, but yeah, I'm gonna try to use it to just do my adventures, you know, just show how how to work there, how again it's just it's a different world, right?
2:00:21
Elias Andres: It's like uh how many people have ever been to Brazil?
2:00:23
Elias Andres: Yeah, like very few people go there because you know it's got its reputation, but it's an amazing place, and I can't wait to share it with everybody.
2:00:29
Vipul Bindra: I think that's gonna be awesome.
2:00:30
Vipul Bindra: Well, before uh before we wrap, anything else you want to add or say?
2:00:35
Elias Andres: Uh no, uh thank you for having me on.
2:00:37
Elias Andres: Like, yeah, like we've this is the longest we've talked.
2:00:40
Elias Andres: Yeah, you know, and it's it's it's amazing.
2:00:42
Elias Andres: It's amazing what you can do again.
2:00:44
Elias Andres: When you just drive to Orlando one day, you're like, hey, why not?
2:00:46
Elias Andres: Let's just do it.
2:00:47
Elias Andres: And now I'm driving again.
2:00:48
Elias Andres: Like you literally called me yesterday, and I was like, uh like, you know what, why not?
2:00:53
Elias Andres: I'm not doing anything, you're a cool guy.
2:00:55
Elias Andres: I need to, you know, like I appreciate it.
2:00:58
Vipul Bindra: I know.
2:00:58
Vipul Bindra: I this podcast is filmed like that.
2:01:00
Vipul Bindra: I just randomly tell people, hey, you have time.
2:01:02
Vipul Bindra: It's hard to manage.
2:01:03
Vipul Bindra: You, you, you, you would at least of all people that sometimes like people here understand because it's like um, you know, I run a production company and then our schedule is everything.
2:01:12
Vipul Bindra: So it's like, you know, you have nothing tomorrow, and then next you get a call.
2:01:16
Vipul Bindra: It's like, hey, you need to shoot tomorrow.
2:01:18
Vipul Bindra: So it's like you never know.
2:01:20
Vipul Bindra: So it's hard to plan things in advance.
2:01:22
Vipul Bindra: Um, uh, so so that's why I was like, I hope you're free.
2:01:25
Vipul Bindra: Yeah, but I've got some time, and I really want to do this uh this season.
2:01:29
Vipul Bindra: So I really appreciate you.
2:01:30
Vipul Bindra: Like I said, this was an incredible conversation, and plus, I'm looking forward to our project together before you head to Brazil that we're gonna get to do together.
2:01:39
Vipul Bindra: Um, and shout out to again uh Mario for helping us produce this episode, like always.
2:01:44
Vipul Bindra: Oh, thank you guys, thank you so much.
2:01:45
Elias Andres: And uh shout out to Eric.
2:01:47
Vipul Bindra: Thank you for coming here, and we weren't able to put him.
2:01:50
Vipul Bindra: But hey, next season three, we gotta get his partner here because he'll be all alone, so we can come have him say all the mean things like how you left him here while you're chilling and having fun in Brazil, you know.
2:02:01
Vipul Bindra: I've heard a lot of good things about Brazil too.
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Vipul Bindra: So but anyway, all right, thank you again, appreciate it, man.
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Vipul Bindra: All right, until next time and another episode of Studio B sessions with me, Bendra.
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Vipul Bindra: Thank you for watching or listening.