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Hubert Davis OUT at UNC (w/Greg Barnes) · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 4: It is Stegotts, a company presented by Fandel and the
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  Speaker 4: Fandel Sportsbook. Taylor said to me, and he said to Mikeya,
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  Speaker 4: and he said it out loud.
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  Speaker 1: Pete Thamil, welcome to my world.
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  Speaker 4: I had this story seventy two hours before you did.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we're talking about North Carolina and the fact
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  Speaker 4: that they got rid of their head coach Hubert Davis
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  Speaker 4: after taking them to a Final four, winning an acc
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  Speaker 4: Champie and him beating coach Kay in his final game.
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  Speaker 4: Youbert Davis is God, and I, of course, when I
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  Speaker 4: heard the news, hopped on a bird because this is
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  Speaker 4: important to me, it's important to Taylor.
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  Speaker 1: If it's important to Taylor, it's important to me.
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  Speaker 4: And so I flew right to Chapel Hill to try
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  Speaker 4: to get to the bottom of this of what happened
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  Speaker 4: to Youubert Davis and who's going to replace him as
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  Speaker 4: the next head coach of the North Carolina tar Heels.
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  Speaker 1: But the Tea and Taylor it stands for Theamil. How
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  Speaker 1: about that?
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  Speaker 5: I would say this for Taylor. I will mock him.
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  Speaker 5: I will make fun of him at every turn when
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  Speaker 5: give me the opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: He absolutely crushed this one. He had this.
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  Speaker 5: He had this three days ago. Pete Damil's like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: breaking per me and somebody else.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, no, no, no no. Taylor broke
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  Speaker 3: this three days ago.
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  Speaker 1: Ye're just confirming it, right he did, yep.
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  Speaker 6: So I kind of proved it with the Bill Belichick hiring.
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  Speaker 6: When Bill Belichick came to Carolina and Adam Schefter was
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  Speaker 6: doing the this isn't done yet, and I was like,
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  Speaker 6: Schefter that inc is.
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  Speaker 3: Is long dry, right.
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  Speaker 6: Things don't happen in Chapel Hill without Taylor finding out.
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  Speaker 1: Put it on the pall?
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  Speaker 4: Do they Does anything happen in Chapel Hill without Taylor
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  Speaker 4: finding app Why am I here and you're not?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, how come Stu's flight was delayed and we
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  Speaker 5: didn't know?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Jesus, I mean, how come your boots aren't
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  Speaker 4: on the ground because you don't need boots on the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's boots? Are your boots here in Chapel Hill? Right?
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  Speaker 3: Correct?
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  Speaker 6: I'm working the phones right now trying to figure out
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  Speaker 6: is it going to be Billy Donovan, t j Otzelberger
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  Speaker 6: at Iowa State, maybe at Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you didn't really report it that you speculated that
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  Speaker 4: Youbert Davis was going to be fired.
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  Speaker 1: You need to report it next time.
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  Speaker 4: If you're that confident, you need to scoop them all
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  Speaker 4: seventy two hours in advance and say you make it
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  Speaker 4: in our business.
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  Speaker 1: Just take a shot a flyer, It's okay. So I knew.
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  Speaker 6: I knew for certain Carolina was moving on from Hubert Davis.
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  Speaker 6: I just didn't know what the language was going to
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  Speaker 6: be because Carolina and Carolina's administration wanted Hubert Davis to resign.
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  Speaker 6: Right Hubert Davis, there was some pushback there.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't want to resign. He still thinks he should
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  Speaker 4: be the head coach at North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: The language was fuck you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: But there's also some reports that when Hubert Davis took
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  Speaker 6: the job, he didn't necessarily want to take the job,
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  Speaker 6: but Roy Williams kind of pushed the job on him.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, Hubert.
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  Speaker 6: Davis, you didn't really want to take This is not
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  Speaker 6: what I want.
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  Speaker 3: To do today. I don't want to bash you.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, I just want to be clear the year because
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  Speaker 4: it's important. Carolina did not want to fire Youbert Davis.
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  Speaker 4: Anyone who knows anything about this program knows it's a
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  Speaker 4: family oriented program. If you're in the if you're in
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  Speaker 4: the tar Heel family, you're in the tar Heel family
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  Speaker 4: for life. They usually hire from within that program, guys
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  Speaker 4: who are familiar with the program, how it works, played
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  Speaker 4: their coach there, have some coaching experience. So they wanted
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  Speaker 4: Ubert Davis to be celebrated on his way out. But
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  Speaker 4: Ubert Davis had no win interest in being celebrated on
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  Speaker 4: his way out because Ubert Davis is not ready to
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  Speaker 4: quit coaching.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to continue coaching.
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  Speaker 4: He thinks he should be the head coach at North Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not certain if Hubert Davis will get a job
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  Speaker 4: at any other college coaching basketball.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not certain, but Hubert Davis told Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want your fucking celebration. I want your job
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  Speaker 4: at Carolina said no, you're fired.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how it went down. How do I know?
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  Speaker 1: Boots on the ground.
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  Speaker 5: The takes just flow into you from the streets.
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  Speaker 4: I go, I stand, what's the main street here, Taylor,
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  Speaker 4: Franklin Street. Yeah, I go out to that street, Franklin Street.
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  Speaker 4: I just stand there in the middle with my boots
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  Speaker 4: on the ground, and all the news comes to me.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you see Belichick this morning.
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  Speaker 1: I did.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, he came to me on Franklin Street. He put
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  Speaker 4: his boots on the ground.
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  Speaker 6: Oh Jesus, give him a boot out of town.
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  Speaker 4: He's the longest tenured coach in North Carolina.
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  Speaker 3: I love the idea of you across the quad going
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  Speaker 3: Willie willieby.
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  Speaker 4: I'm also laughing because Taylor, Mikey, we've been doing this
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  Speaker 4: for a little bit now.
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  Speaker 1: He leapt into news gathering.
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  Speaker 4: Mode the second Hubert Davis was let go by North Carolina,
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  Speaker 4: and we have a beat reporter coming on.
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  Speaker 1: We are going to old school right now. A beat reporter.
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  Speaker 3: That's what sports radio is all about.
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  Speaker 4: You're right, you're right, right, but you're listen. You're going
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  Speaker 4: to an expert. But you're the expert. And so what
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  Speaker 4: I'm wondering here is you have your own career to
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  Speaker 4: think about here. Okay, you're the guy who reported this
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  Speaker 4: seventy two hours before Famil did.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, he was late to the party, right, So.
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  Speaker 4: The only people, the only person that people should be
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  Speaker 4: going to is Taylor Hippolis.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 4: Like the guy we're having on here, he should be
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  Speaker 4: talking to you, not the other way around.
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  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 6: So this is where there's the Stu gots a strong
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  Speaker 6: in me. My confidence comes from Inside Carolina's confidence. Oh okay, God,
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  Speaker 6: And that's why we got Greg Barnes because anything that
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  Speaker 6: I'm kind of hearing most likely has come.
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  Speaker 3: From Greg Barnes and Inside Carolina.
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  Speaker 4: So he got it before Pete thatmilk, but he didn't
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  Speaker 4: report it as certain right, with certainty.
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  Speaker 1: He just said he was speculating. Correct.
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  Speaker 6: They inside Carolina all weekend was reporting that a change
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  Speaker 6: is coming, a change is expected, right, just working on
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  Speaker 6: the final language.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so you need to next time, okay, when you
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  Speaker 4: feel like you have the story, like, but Greg Barnes,
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  Speaker 4: so he has a reputation to uphold, so does Pete
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  Speaker 4: THATML they will not report the story until the story
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  Speaker 4: is done, okay. So in an effort for you to
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  Speaker 4: become the Carolina Insider, next time, you have something from Barnes, okay,
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  Speaker 4: and you feel good enough about it because he is listen,
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  Speaker 4: he has to appeal to a certain he has, he
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  Speaker 4: has employers, he has journalistic Yeah, integrity, all the things
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  Speaker 4: that you don't have, because I'm your boss and you
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  Speaker 4: have no integrity. And the reason you don't is because
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  Speaker 4: I am your boss and I'm your mentor. Okay, And
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  Speaker 4: so what you need to do is not wait, look
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  Speaker 4: at him smiling mentor stretch up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, mentor of sorts, And so what you need
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 5: You got thirty mentors and he doesn't make the list.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, nor is he. It's unbelievable. It's
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  Speaker 1: everyone who's not associated with this show.
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea.
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  Speaker 1: Who is your mentor?
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  Speaker 3: Is it Barnes my top two mentor? My top mentor?
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  Speaker 6: I would say Dominique Fox work just because it's so
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  Speaker 6: damn cool.
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  Speaker 7: Just because he's cool.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of advice has he given you other than
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  Speaker 1: he's cool?
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  Speaker 3: Just jackets his style.
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  Speaker 1: That's a mentor right there. Who's number two?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe BOUMANI real don't. I don't think Bomani knows that, though.
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  Speaker 1: He does so, like, do you talk to him ever
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  Speaker 1: when he's not on the air with us?
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  Speaker 3: No, how was he meant to you? Of sorts? Of sorts?
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  Speaker 7: Of sorts?
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  Speaker 1: Right? So it's not me, it's not it's not like.
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  Speaker 1: So this is all I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Telling you, Okay, as someone who is sort of a mentor.
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  Speaker 4: Next time you feel good enough about that news, you
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  Speaker 4: need to report it with Gusto and I will back
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  Speaker 4: you up, and I will get behind you, and so
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  Speaker 4: Israel goody airs, And trust me what I tell you,
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  Speaker 4: Israel getting behind you is far more important than ME
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  Speaker 4: getting behind you, because if Israel says this is valid,
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  Speaker 4: this is good. I believe in Taylor's sources, then everyone's
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  Speaker 4: gonna believe you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, if I back you up, no one's gonna believe you.
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  Speaker 4: The beat reporter who feeds Taylor all is Carolina information,
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  Speaker 4: Greg Barnes.
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  Speaker 4: Greg Barnes is a senior reporter at Inside Carolina. He
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  Speaker 4: joins US, right now, I'm in Carolina, I am in
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  Speaker 4: Chapel Hill, and I'm telling you you can't take a
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  Speaker 4: step without someone asking you about Youbert Davis or who
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  Speaker 4: the next North Carolina head coaches get be men's basketball?
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  Speaker 4: Greg is with us, Greg, were you surprised by Youbert
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  Speaker 4: Davis being let go by North Carolina?
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  Speaker 7: I really was.
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  Speaker 9: There was some belief late in the season that with
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  Speaker 9: the injuries he was probably going to get another year,
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  Speaker 9: But there's always that sipulation of you know, he needs
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  Speaker 9: at least show well in the postseason, and clearly North
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  Speaker 9: Carolina did not in that loss to VCU, and things
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  Speaker 9: came apart very quickly behind the scenes for him, and
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  Speaker 9: by Friday afternoon, a large percentage of the Boosters were
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  Speaker 9: ready to move forward.
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  Speaker 4: When you say things fell apart behind the scenes, can
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  Speaker 4: you elaborate on that just a little bit.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, So, as everybody knows, in this modern era, you've
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  Speaker 9: got to have sufficient funds to be able to fund
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  Speaker 9: a basketball roster, and North Carolina this current season twenty
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  Speaker 9: five twenty six, the roster was valued at about fourteen
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  Speaker 9: million dollars. When you look at how North Carolina has
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  Speaker 9: the rev share split out, football gets thirteen million, basketball
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  Speaker 9: gets seven so I gets you halfway to that fourteen million.
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  Speaker 9: And with how things have played out, and there's frustration
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  Speaker 9: with Hubert. He's not never been really good with boosters.
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  Speaker 9: This is not something he enjoys doing. There was significant
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  Speaker 9: concern that they could reach fourteen million dollars again, to
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  Speaker 9: the extent where they thought it was almost impossible, and
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  Speaker 9: that was a driving factor in this.
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  Speaker 4: In today's college basketball, you can't not have the winning
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  Speaker 4: and not talk to the boosters at the same time.
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  Speaker 4: That just doesn't work in today's college basketball. You have
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  Speaker 4: to win and win big if you want to blow
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  Speaker 4: off the boosters. I was not aware that that was
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  Speaker 4: something Youbert Davis didn't like to do. And I'm certain
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  Speaker 4: win or lose that had to bother people here at
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  Speaker 4: North Carolina, right, Yeah, for.
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  Speaker 9: Sure, And this is something he hasn't enjoyed doing from
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  Speaker 9: day one, and of a good example. Everybody knows Mike
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  Speaker 9: Brown is a fantastic fundraiser. He does that as well
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  Speaker 9: as about anything.
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  Speaker 7: If you look back at.
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  Speaker 9: The twenty twenty three twenty four financial data, the football
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  Speaker 9: program raised seven million dollars in donations. The men's basketball
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  Speaker 9: program raised seven hundred and sixty thousand.
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  Speaker 7: So wow, ten toimes less. That kind of speaks to
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  Speaker 7: the differential.
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  Speaker 4: If Caleb will Wilson Almos said, Williams the quarterback for
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  Speaker 4: the Bears, if he remains healthy they get to the
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  Speaker 4: sweet sixteen, does Youubert Davis.
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  Speaker 1: Still have a job.
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  Speaker 9: Bill Belichick would love to have Caleb Williams if we're
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  Speaker 9: talking about probably so, and that that's kind of how
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  Speaker 9: fifty to fifty this was.
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  Speaker 7: I think if North Carolina had.
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  Speaker 9: Had fared better in the ACC tournament and then maybe
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  Speaker 9: won a couple of games in then Citeaway Tournament, there
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  Speaker 9: would have been enough support to get another year. But
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  Speaker 9: even saying that, if Hubert Davis would have come back
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  Speaker 9: next year, I mean, clearly he would have been on
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  Speaker 9: the hot seat. Clearly there would have been even more
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  Speaker 9: drama around the program. So I think there was a
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  Speaker 9: lot of belief behind the scenes that it's probably better
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  Speaker 9: to go ahead and make a move because next year
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  Speaker 9: it could really be a bad situation if the team
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  Speaker 9: doesn't play well.
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  Speaker 6: Greg, on the topic of Bill Belichick, You're looking at
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  Speaker 6: some of the coaches on Carolina's searching on their hot board,
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  Speaker 6: a lot of them have big buyouts attached to them.
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  Speaker 6: Does the financial commitment the school made to Bill Belichick
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  Speaker 6: kind of handcuffed them anyways in this search?
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  Speaker 7: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 9: In fact, one of the key things coming out of
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  Speaker 9: that Belichick search was, yeah, I mean, it's kind of
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  Speaker 9: been a disaster thus far, but it really convinced everybody
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  Speaker 9: associated with the program and around the program that if
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  Speaker 9: we want to be a legitimate national contender in the
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  Speaker 9: revenue sports We're going to have to open up the pocketbook,
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  Speaker 9: and they know that even when Bell Belichick moves along,
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  Speaker 9: they're gonna have to spend similar money for football.
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  Speaker 7: And if they want North Carolina basketball.
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  Speaker 9: To continue to be an elite program, that means you
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  Speaker 9: can't pay the next head coach what you were paying
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  Speaker 9: Hubert Davis, which is three million dollars. You're going to
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  Speaker 9: have to invest a lot more, not just in head
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  Speaker 9: coaching salary, but also in support staff salary, also.
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  Speaker 7: In nil commitments.
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  Speaker 9: And then part of that, of course, is that buyout
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  Speaker 9: package that you're talking about.
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  Speaker 5: Greg, how much did his coaching tenure sort of sully
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  Speaker 5: Hubert Davis's name in North Carolina? And do you think
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  Speaker 5: that that sort of thing will affect how they look
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  Speaker 5: at their next head coach.
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 9: I think with them getting out when they did, it
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  Speaker 9: probably helps that. Now we'll say, the expectation and the
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  Speaker 9: hope starting last Friday was that they could have this
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  Speaker 9: nice ceremony and this Hubert Davis decides to step down,
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  Speaker 9: they could celebrate.
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  Speaker 7: Him, and he did not.
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  Speaker 9: He did not want to resign, and so North Carolina
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  Speaker 9: ultimately had to fire him on Tuesday, So that changed
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  Speaker 9: he wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: Playing along, which I find which I think is great
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  Speaker 4: of Hubert Davis.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't have to play along, right.
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  Speaker 7: Sure, yes he does not.
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  Speaker 9: But I think if this would have gone on another
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  Speaker 9: year and the team was not good next year, it
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  Speaker 9: could have been very problematic for his legacy.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think that's going to be the case now.
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  Speaker 4: So it's interesting because Carolina it's it's it's a family.
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  Speaker 1: They usually hire from within.
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  Speaker 4: Youbert Davis played at North Carolina and Ubert Davis. I
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  Speaker 4: understand lowing the eighteen point lead, but the body of
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  Speaker 4: work five seasons one, twenty five, and fifty four made
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  Speaker 4: a final four, you know, beat coach K and Coach
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  Speaker 4: K's final game won the ACC regular season championship in twenty.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: To twenty four. This seems very un Carolina like the
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: way they went about doing this.
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 16:47
  Speaker 9: The other aspect of that is North Carolina was a
• 16:50
  Speaker 9: sixth seed in the Nsinga Bay Tournament.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah this year.
• 16:53
  Speaker 9: Yep, that's the second best see North Carolina has had
• 16:57
  Speaker 9: since twenty nineteen.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Yikes. Yeah, if you look.
• 17:00
  Speaker 9: Back at nineteen eighty five's when the tournament expanded through
• 17:04
  Speaker 9: twenty nineteen, Carolina was a four seed or better seventy
• 17:09
  Speaker 9: eight percent of the time. It's about four out of
• 17:11
  Speaker 9: every five years. They've been a four seeder better once
• 17:14
  Speaker 9: in the past seven years.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Right, Okay, Yeah, the standards very high, and he's not
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: meeting those standards.
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: Go ahead, down, Greg, with names like Dusty May, Tommy Lloyd,
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: tj Oslberger on you and C's board of candidates, how
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: does that work.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: With them still coaching teams in the tournament.
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a good question.
• 17:32
  Speaker 9: And at this point in time, when you've got so
• 17:34
  Speaker 9: much agent representation, there can be back channeling that takes
• 17:38
  Speaker 9: place to see what kind of interest levels there are
• 17:40
  Speaker 9: and those sorts of things. Of course, the coaches are
• 17:43
  Speaker 9: not going to be able to have conversations until they're
• 17:45
  Speaker 9: done with their playing season, and that's part of the
• 17:47
  Speaker 9: process here. If you're aiming high, which North Carolina is,
• 17:51
  Speaker 9: you have to be willing to wait. And the challenge
• 17:53
  Speaker 9: of that is the National Championship Game is April sixth,
• 17:57
  Speaker 9: and the transfer portal opens on April seven, so it
• 18:00
  Speaker 9: is a tight window.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Of the names you've heard, what's the name that gets
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: or you think would get the fan base most excited?
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Is it Billy Donovan.
• 18:09
  Speaker 9: I don't think it's Billy Donovan. Brat Stevens' Name's been
• 18:12
  Speaker 9: out there. We all know how that situation plays out.
• 18:14
  Speaker 9: I think Tommy Lloyd is the guy, given his track record.
• 18:19
  Speaker 9: I think he's got the personality that would fit at Carolina,
• 18:22
  Speaker 9: and I think a lot of people like what he
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: does at Arizona.
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: Right now.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: If you're Carolina, though, this is a different you know,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: it's a different world in terms of college basketball and
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: college football where Rick Patino was beloved now, but you
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: know a couple of decades ago that wasn't the case.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Why wouldn't you turn over every stone if you're in
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: North Carolina, meaning why wouldn't you make a call to
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: a guy like Rick Patino?
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: I don't think there's any reason not to. I do
• 18:50
  Speaker 9: think one thing that's relevant here is that there are
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: probably certain people that don't have the right personality. There's
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: some coaches, as we all know, have a little bit
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: of arrogance, a little bit of brattiness to them. Sure,
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: for some sites, that's perfectly fine. Right for Carolina, that's
• 19:05
  Speaker 9: not gonna fly. And you have to be a little
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: bit more personable in those.
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: Types of things.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: What is it about Carolina? Explain that a little bit.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: I gotta be honest with you. It makes me hate
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: North Carolina. Go hire fucking Rick Patino.
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: I mean, geez, you're on the ground. You can go
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: talk to them.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I am, I have boots on the ground.
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: You're it's the southern gentleman charm.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: I guess that's the best.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Sition, like Roy Williams was a perfect fit for that.
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: Yes, exactly, you're right.
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: Indeed, Smith right, Carolina hasn't had a coach that will
• 19:35
  Speaker 9: cuss other than a handful of times in fifty.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Years, so I know, I know.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: But college basketball is no longer college basketball, and Carolina
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: might want to rethink about how their approach and how
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: they move forward here in twenty twenty six.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: Baby steps, baby steps.
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: You're right, Greg, you mentioned that Billy Donovan wouldn't be
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: most UNC's fans' first choice. But what if, I say,
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: if Billy leaves the Bulls for Carolina, John Shire.
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: Leaves Duke for the Bulls, Oh jeez, that's two birds
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: when Stone did right, Yeah, that's a possibility. And look,
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: I think it's pretty clear that Billy Donnov than once
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: side of Chicago, and his name is in a lot
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: of searches right now. Behind the scenes. Certainly, I think
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: he would be interested in Carolina. It's just a matter
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: of that Carolina would really be interested in him. In
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: terms of the packing order.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: Shire's success here with Duke that had the factor into
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Carolina doing what they did, right.
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: It does, and I think that's a that's a good
• 20:32
  Speaker 9: thing for Carolina because Duke is sting setting the bar
• 20:35
  Speaker 9: and North Carolina does not want to take a back
• 20:37
  Speaker 9: seat to Duke.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Is there a former Carolina guy that perhaps we're not
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: thinking of that could be Kenny Smith on the radar
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: or someone like that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: I don't think so.
• 20:46
  Speaker 9: They're they're pretty dead set on making sure they hire
• 20:49
  Speaker 9: somebody that has a proven track record, and there's just
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: nobody in the UNC coaching tree right now that.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Ads that right and some Southern charm that's what they need.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Yes, Greg, how does Bill self being unsure if he'll
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: return to Kansas affect Carolina search?
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: I think that is a massive elephant in the room
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: because it's one thing if you're the only blue blood
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: searching for a coach, but once you add another one
• 21:18
  Speaker 9: like Kansas and every all of a sudden, everybody's kind
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: of competing for the same positions, which means that the
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: bidding process is elevated. There's a lot of other dynamics
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: to go into play. So one of the advantages of
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: North Carolina has at this moment is that they have
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: an op open coaching job.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Kansas does not.
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: Yes, but that's gonna change, I would imagine very soon.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Right wow.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: I mean these jobs usually they never become available. And
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: to have Carolina and Kansas of it. Roy Williams went
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: to Kansas so we could wait for the Carolina job.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is crazy.
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: And Dean Smith, you have from Kansas.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: I know what a time in college sports, Indiana dominates football.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: We appreciate your time.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: If I hear anything, I'm gonna walk around. I'm gonna
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: talk to some people see if I can get to
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: the bottom of this.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: If I do, I will uh.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I will shoot you at text and let you know,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: okay before anyone else does.
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: You can't cuss and chapl will just have.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Five times during this interview. Thank you buddy.
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: Thanks guys.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: All right,