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Ghislaine Maxwell Interview Part 2 · Gil I Am

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  Speaker 1: I really won't.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's how it work.
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  Speaker 1: But we didn't sleep together again for I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: really a significant period of time when when.
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  Speaker 3: I say years or.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a year that feels longer,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe nine months, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: A long time. I just want to go back. So
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  Speaker 2: I had found.
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  Speaker 1: A house for him to rent in New York because
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  Speaker 1: he had asked me, I've been looking on it for
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  Speaker 1: my father, and I found one which was a former
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  Speaker 1: Eringian embassy I think it was. I think it belonged
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  Speaker 1: to the Uranians for the hierarchies someone.
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  Speaker 3: We'll and.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that he had any money really, and
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  Speaker 1: it was I wanted to say this twelve thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: a month, which can me seem like courtue.
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  Speaker 2: And I said to us son, my fans.
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  Speaker 1: How but I don't think you can afford it, And
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  Speaker 1: it was ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Of course I could accordly rented it.
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  Speaker 1: And that house came with it was a state department
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  Speaker 1: house because it was I think that it was on
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  Speaker 1: the sector station or whatever it was. And I I
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  Speaker 1: mean I put it back together that the certain rules
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  Speaker 1: couldn't paint because it had to go back and gave
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  Speaker 1: it back to the country.
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  Speaker 2: That so.
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  Speaker 1: He had this house and I had moved into a
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  Speaker 1: ten foot by ten foot apartment because all of that
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  Speaker 1: stuff that they either law school frozen or whatever. So
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  Speaker 1: he became in this moment of my life. I agree,
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  Speaker 1: because I desp living was felt very similar to his men,
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  Speaker 1: if that makes sense sense anyway. So, but I had
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  Speaker 1: no Keto's house. I had no free access to his house.
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  Speaker 1: And then the entire time that he lived there, which used,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, until the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Of nineteen ninety six.
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  Speaker 1: Another step for someone like over the house with ever
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  Speaker 1: love that would you okay?
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  Speaker 4: So you you you said a minute ago that on
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  Speaker 4: the further that you ud slept with him on one
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  Speaker 4: occasion and at the time you remember thinking, you know
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  Speaker 4: that this meant you were in a relationship, but then
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  Speaker 4: it didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I you really were not in that type of relationship.
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  Speaker 3: I did that change, oh over.
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  Speaker 4: Between ninety one and ninety two or whatever, and and
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  Speaker 4: and years forward.
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  Speaker 2: So I did travel with him, Oh okay, So I
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  Speaker 2: would go.
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  Speaker 1: To his houses and on the beach, and hear me
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  Speaker 1: had that house actually and uh no, that's not true.
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  Speaker 2: He had the house in probably each me had a
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  Speaker 2: house in uh Ohio in where, Ohio, okay. And he
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  Speaker 2: had the house in Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: Because of his business relationship with UH mister Weston, and
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  Speaker 1: he had a and I had to go and decorate
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  Speaker 1: and put that house together.
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  Speaker 2: When you traveled together, we stayed in the sane back
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  Speaker 2: but not any but I didn't go ahead, It's okay, talk.
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  Speaker 5: So you you stayed so when you would travel with
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  Speaker 5: him to his houses in Palm Beach, Ohio, or even
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  Speaker 5: just traveling if if if it was just traveling with him,
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  Speaker 5: you would.
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  Speaker 3: Stay in the same bed. So sleep in the same
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  Speaker 3: battle with him. Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: E Stein told me that he had a heart condition.
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  Speaker 2: They what heart condition? Hert heart condition okay, which meant that.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't have intercourse to lit which she didn't find
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  Speaker 1: because I actually do have a medical condition, which the
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  Speaker 1: prince didn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: I love him in course.
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  Speaker 4: So what what was your understanding of his heart condition
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  Speaker 4: and why that prevented him from having intercourse regularly?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I mean he.
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  Speaker 7: Liked other forms of uh sexual accents. Yeah, well let's
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  Speaker 7: come back.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna obviously spend some time a lot of time
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  Speaker 4: on the actual conduct he was accused of. So we'll
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  Speaker 4: come back to that.
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  Speaker 3: So pick up where you where you were.
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  Speaker 4: Talking about you traveling around with him. He h rented
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  Speaker 4: the New York uh I former Irenian Iranian.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, until around ninety six.
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  Speaker 4: That time, you s, I believe you said that he
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  Speaker 4: was basically your life, like you're with him pretty rat well.
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  Speaker 1: I no, So I never was with him recoarly. That
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  Speaker 1: is one of those misnomers. I mean at the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: I did see more of him, but I worked in
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  Speaker 1: his office.
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  Speaker 2: So I would go to the.
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  Speaker 1: Office and I would see him, and I would count
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  Speaker 1: in my head when I would see him.
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  Speaker 2: I would count that I would that be a day
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  Speaker 2: that I would see.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't never ever stayed with him, and I
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  Speaker 1: believe certainly until.
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  Speaker 2: Ninety three or ninety four.
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  Speaker 1: What I didn't know was that I think he was
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  Speaker 1: still with his actual Robles, who was Eva Anderson, who
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  Speaker 1: became either Dupian. They had been together my understanding, I
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  Speaker 1: think about ten years. I'm not sure, but that's what
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  Speaker 1: I think for ten years. And I had understood from
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  Speaker 1: my girlfriend initially that they worked together, and Epstein himself
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  Speaker 1: had told me that they were not together, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that is true. If I can know it's
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  Speaker 1: not true. They were still together up until I think
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  Speaker 1: ninety four, when at some point in that period of
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  Speaker 1: time Eva met Glenn Dubin and they got married. I
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  Speaker 1: think in ninety four. I don't remember when they got married,
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  Speaker 1: but her, she was his best friend and his everything.
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  Speaker 1: He told me that he always wished her he had
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  Speaker 1: married her and had a child with her, and I
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  Speaker 1: know that she was friendly for him for his whole life,
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  Speaker 1: and I think even I'm not sure this is true,
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  Speaker 1: but you guys were learned to this his true or
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  Speaker 1: when he came come back from Paris and they arrested him.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if Eva was on the plane now.
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  Speaker 1: I think that either I read it in the discovery
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  Speaker 1: that I received or I saw it somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: But even if she wasn't on the plane, there.
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  Speaker 1: Must have been some email communication where she was in
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  Speaker 1: Paris at the same time. I'm going to fly back
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  Speaker 1: one or the other. I don't know which one is
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  Speaker 1: the correct version of her. But so they were still
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  Speaker 1: obviously very close and remained throughout the entire time. He
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  Speaker 1: was still her love, and so I also know now
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  Speaker 1: which I didn't know at the time, was that he's
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  Speaker 1: see looks of other than me. And I know that
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  Speaker 1: now because I can see it. I can see it
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  Speaker 1: from the flight loads, and I know it now because
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  Speaker 1: I can see from the emails.
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  Speaker 3: So you know from the case from what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I didn't know that a lot contemporari you see,
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  Speaker 2: I absolutely didn't want it.
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  Speaker 4: So okay, So just and we're gonna spend time on
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  Speaker 4: everything you're talking about for us to kind of close
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  Speaker 4: out big picture of your relationship. So we're now in
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  Speaker 4: the late nineties, continue on with again saying high level
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  Speaker 4: to the extent you can about your relationship with him.
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  Speaker 2: So after.
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  Speaker 1: So my responsibilities increased with each acquisition that he an,
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  Speaker 1: each new project.
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  Speaker 2: So I believe the first thing that he purchased after
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  Speaker 2: was the ranch in.
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  Speaker 1: New Mexico, and so what he had tasked me with
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  Speaker 1: at onont that I think that was purchased in ninety four.
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  Speaker 2: From it, So he had tasked me. One of the
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  Speaker 2: things that we did was visit.
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  Speaker 1: In my mind I say every state, but it wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have been every state, but many states to go look
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  Speaker 1: at real estate report.
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  Speaker 2: And so I know we went to Montana. I know,
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  Speaker 2: we went to Utah and it was it were to go.
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  Speaker 1: Look at real estates, to be honest. And then I
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  Speaker 1: arranged for us to go to New Mexico, and he
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  Speaker 1: just loved New Mexico. And then I don't remember how
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  Speaker 1: the ranch happened. I don't remember that now it's lost.
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  Speaker 1: And then he ended up buying the ranch, and I
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  Speaker 1: think femory it came from.
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  Speaker 2: The mother Tamers who named in the governor and bought
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  Speaker 2: the ranch. And then I had to deal with that,
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  Speaker 2: and dealing with that was big sense. I mean the
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  Speaker 2: way that I thought myself, or the way that I
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  Speaker 2: think is the best.
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  Speaker 1: Way to explain how I knew my role was as
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  Speaker 1: a general manager, because each property to me was like
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  Speaker 1: I had a hotel. So the ranch was very challenging
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  Speaker 1: because not only that, but it had b alem land.
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  Speaker 1: So to have maintain your b a lem, you had
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  Speaker 1: to have.
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  Speaker 2: Cattle.
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  Speaker 1: And I love animals, and so the first thing horses,
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  Speaker 1: and so I wanted it. You're going to have a ranch.
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  Speaker 1: I like authenticity, and so I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't think you should have a ranch if you're not
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  Speaker 2: gonna have the things that make it special.
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  Speaker 3: So were you Were you paid by him along the way,
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  Speaker 3: so I became I.
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  Speaker 2: Became salaried at some point, I re I my memory
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  Speaker 2: is that I got.
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  Speaker 1: Paid twenty five thousand, maybe at the beginning with that's
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  Speaker 1: my memory, and maybe there and then with.
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  Speaker 2: Each as it became all of this, because I kept
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  Speaker 2: thinking when I was king of a home home thing
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  Speaker 2: in it.
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  Speaker 4: But did you and financially you were not relying on
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  Speaker 4: him the twenty five thousand or whatever amount.
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  Speaker 3: You were paid. Were you relying on that money to
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  Speaker 3: live and his generosity to live or did you have
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  Speaker 3: your own your own money?
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  Speaker 2: So there's and.
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  Speaker 4: Again I want to just make sure we're talking about that,
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  Speaker 4: keeping it between.
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  Speaker 3: Like the late nineties, you know, maybe I guess in
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  Speaker 3: you a little.
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  Speaker 4: The two thousands, hope.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to hit something on the head right now.
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  Speaker 1: There's a tremendous amount of recording that said that I
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  Speaker 1: had ass thank you, a trust. I had never had
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  Speaker 1: a trust at any time.
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  Speaker 3: So how did you live?
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  Speaker 6: Did you live with?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, twenty five thousand is not enough to live on.
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  Speaker 6: So I had dreams, a good time, the secret, secret,
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  Speaker 6: the serious food score to see me information to my
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  Speaker 6: father's passing and to establish whether I had been involved
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  Speaker 6: in any way with his uh business, with any shenanigans.
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  Speaker 2: I think I've told the story many times and if
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  Speaker 2: it's now somewhat hip hocopal. But I'll tell you what
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  Speaker 2: in my memory is is.
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  Speaker 1: I received a mess up from them that said I
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  Speaker 1: got about my business, and my memory maybe hip hopople.
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  Speaker 1: It was a at ps. It said, like you snow
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  Speaker 1: writes cousin, I had nothing. That was no I've snover
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  Speaker 1: involved in any of his business whatever, So.
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  Speaker 2: That was free.
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  Speaker 4: I mean you so, but you're you know obviously your
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  Speaker 4: your father and your family had a lot of businesses.
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  Speaker 4: Uh did is it because the money, whatever money or
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  Speaker 4: whatever equity was in the businesses just stayed with your
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  Speaker 4: other family members.
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  Speaker 2: No, there was no money. So my father was never
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  Speaker 2: attached to my uh.
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  Speaker 1: He was born a peasant, a real one dirt floor,
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  Speaker 1: no shoes, no clothes with some cluses but not you know, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: and nothing and he never he was never into that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there were things that he had, his extravagances.
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  Speaker 1: He loved to spot and his claim so obviously you
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  Speaker 1: need money for that, but there was no nothing else
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  Speaker 1: and there was not a single penny that it came
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  Speaker 1: to any house at any time ever.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So, so when you're talking about your life with mister
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  Speaker 4: Epstein in the nineties, you're you're not You're very different financially,
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  Speaker 4: You're very different financially positioned than he is. Mean, he's
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  Speaker 4: giving you money, he's paying for your when you fly,
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  Speaker 4: he assays for your flights. Yes, okay, okay, so you
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  Speaker 4: you I interrupted you, and you were saying how you
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  Speaker 4: were functioning as eneral manager you helped with in New
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  Speaker 4: Mexico ranch.
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  Speaker 3: So did did your role with him continue like that
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  Speaker 3: for many years?
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  Speaker 2: Or for how long?
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  Speaker 1: So I continued in two thousand, Well, in by nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety nine, our relationship had founded in why I well,
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  Speaker 1: for two reasons, we were never sleeping together again. So
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  Speaker 1: we stopped having sexual relations in nineteen ninety nine.
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  Speaker 2: No full sex.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, just to be kar didn't mean that you didn't
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  Speaker 1: still share a bed, bedroom sometimes or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: He had another girlfriend had, other golfriends.
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  Speaker 1: I definitively knew that it was over after nine eleven
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  Speaker 1: because we were both in New York and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know we need in New York. Nine I mean nine
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  Speaker 1: eleven's yeah, and it was a scary time. If you
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  Speaker 1: in New York you didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know. Nobody knew what was going on. And
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  Speaker 2: he was in seventy first threet and I was uh
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  Speaker 2: in sixty fifth Street at my house and he wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: see him.
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  Speaker 1: At all, asking me if his mum, I've grown very
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  Speaker 1: close to us in hospital at Lenox Hill starts miss.
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  Speaker 2: To look after her.
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  Speaker 1: And then I knew there's any one did at that time.
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  Speaker 1: If you're not gonna be there for someone had known eleven,
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  Speaker 1: you're never going to be there. So for me, that
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  Speaker 1: was the land set. And he had another Si English
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  Speaker 1: girlfriend action from two thousand.
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  Speaker 3: Are you those still on his Are you still being
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  Speaker 3: paid by him at this point?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so so go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: So what what what you.
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  Speaker 3: At that point when you say you realized kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of well, I mean, I'm talking about the the I
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  Speaker 1: had had. There was a I wanted to get married
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  Speaker 1: and have children, and Epstein had encouraged me to believe
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  Speaker 1: that that would I don't know about them certainly by
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  Speaker 1: the late late nineties, and the marriage part was never
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  Speaker 1: going to happen. I had believed that maybe in ninety
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  Speaker 1: six seventy seven ninety eight maybe, but then I realized
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  Speaker 1: that it wasn't that. But I didn't think that you
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  Speaker 1: might have a child, which was what I had really
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  Speaker 1: wanted and true.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So what happens between two thousand and one and
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  Speaker 4: then twenty nineteen with your relationship with him?
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  Speaker 1: So give or take two thousand and one, so we
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  Speaker 1: stopped having physicality. I mean that doesn't mean we want friends.
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  Speaker 1: I certainly did stay sometimes in his room, and friends
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  Speaker 1: with benefits if you were just not sex sorry, just
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  Speaker 1: a ya. And I started dating, okay, and I met
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  Speaker 1: someone that I felt very much in love in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and eighty three. His name was Ted Waite. Ted
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  Speaker 1: Waite he may know as the founder of Gable of
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  Speaker 1: the Competious, and we had him amazing relationship but end explain.
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  Speaker 2: On went on until twenty ten when I was with
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  Speaker 2: Ted from that time.
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  Speaker 3: Did you meet him, throw, miss Repson?
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  Speaker 2: No, well indirectly I suppose you could say so. No,
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  Speaker 2: they never met. I was.
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  Speaker 1: As a dinner where I met Ted, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: honest with the uh present things present. Tinson was my
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  Speaker 1: friend what Epstein's and Epstein had flown him and that
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  Speaker 1: was a dinner and type change to the dinner, so
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  Speaker 1: I guess and directly to me to start thinks it
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  Speaker 1: was with his plane, But I'd been.
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  Speaker 2: There anyway without him. I had was not on the plane.
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  Speaker 2: When you asked wew on that trip? Yes, I well, uh,
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  Speaker 2: yes they that yes.
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  Speaker 3: So when you say y that the dinner was, well, was.
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  Speaker 4: Well okay, and so the and you had flown over
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  Speaker 4: with So who was on the plane for that film?
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  Speaker 4: I don't mean never mind it when you said mister
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  Speaker 4: Epstein was on the plane, Yes, you were on the plane.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, who else that you can remember? I'm not you know,
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  Speaker 3: you only know what your remember? That was it in
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  Speaker 3: Clipton on the plane?
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  Speaker 2: Clinson? So would he would have had his the guy
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  Speaker 2: Doug Lance, Malady, Jason Cooper maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Traps it to the ooh and you and so why
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  Speaker 3: is it so how do you meet?
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  Speaker 4: Uh uh that's all?
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  Speaker 3: So wh why they said that's when you met him
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  Speaker 3: and met you met him through Clinton?
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  Speaker 2: Well it was a t I don't think Ted would
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  Speaker 2: have been there.
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  Speaker 1: I had it would have been at it was a
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  Speaker 1: President Clinton dinner and Ted Knicky r. President Clinton. Not
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  Speaker 1: to do with mister Epstein does that make sense. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's why I say that.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so you're you're so in the time that you're
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  Speaker 4: dating that you're with him to two thousand nine, are
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  Speaker 4: you still working for mister Epstein during that time?
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  Speaker 2: So here's so.
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  Speaker 1: Cold be true to say that Jeffrey tried very hard,
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  Speaker 1: you start to try very hard to keep me to
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  Speaker 1: working for him, because I mean, this is a complex operator.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about anything's come toward, just the shar
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  Speaker 1: size of the project, from coping of the construction projects,
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  Speaker 1: the houses, staff, it's a really significant job.
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  Speaker 2: And I ran all the properties, the staff in the.
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  Speaker 1: Property, the management with the properties that had all the construction,
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  Speaker 1: and we're talking tens of millions of dollars.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember what the budget was construction on any
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  Speaker 1: given year it's gone, but it was.
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  Speaker 2: These are very significant projects, and so that was what
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  Speaker 2: I did.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: And I managed the budgets. Well, not I didn't manage
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the budgets. I oversaw the budget. So I would just
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: make sure that if you said you bought an out
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: there and their conditioning curant, I saw air conditioning plant,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: and I could called the.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Island manager. Did you receive the carrier or whatever you know.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: When did mister Upson purchase the island?
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I wanted to say nice,