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Mason Skaggs: From Rebellion & Satanism To Christ, Redemption & Seminary · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Fiorazo.
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  God bless you, brothers and sisters, friends.
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  Thank you for sharing the podcast.
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  Welcome to World View Matters, if you're new, get ahold of us and let us know where you're
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  from.
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  We have been blessed by people from different parts of the country, and I think four or
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  five different countries so far.
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  But hey, good news.
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  I'm back on YouTube.
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  I was a bad boy.
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  I violated community standards about a week and a half ago, and you heard that story in
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  another podcast.
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  I think the one I did with JB Hicks.
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  And actually, he interviewed me, but anyway, we talked about that.
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  So I'm back, but I'm on Rumble.
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  So you can get World View Matters there as well on Freedom Projects Rumble channel.
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  So just thank you.
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  We'll use whatever platform we need to get these podcasts out with great information
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  and all from the biblical world view.
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  So I'm very thankful to have a brother that for on for the first time and to share his
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  amazing story.
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  He would consider himself a satanist that has been saved by the grace of Jesus Christ.
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  And he was even involved in the LGBTQ and there's so much in this man's story.
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  So Mason Skags of Sovereign Fire Studios and he's got a podcast, he's got a YouTube
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  channel.
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  There it is right there.
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  Check that out.
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  He's on Instagram and other outlets as well, but you can get more information on Mason.
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  And you're going to hear his story and get ready.
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  But this is going to be very informative for people with kids or, you know, young people
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  get wrapped up into music and other things that lead them down the wrong path.
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  So listen to these details in this testimony, Mason.
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  Good to see you, brother.
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  Thanks for coming on World View Matters.
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  David, thanks so much for having me on.
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  It's an honor and a pleasure.
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  Thanks for the introduction.
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  Yeah, no problem, brother.
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  And I'm excited to really share.
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  I know you can look back now and go, wow, thank God he brought me through.
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  He had his hand on your life and now he's using you big time and I know the enemy hates
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  what you're doing.
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  So that's, that's a bad honor.
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  So it is, so Mason, you're from Kansas City, Missouri, tell us about when you were growing
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  up because your story is, it's a radical, one of those radical testimonies that you just
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  want kind of rebelling and doing your own thing and living, living for the world a little
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  bit.
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  You were all in on rebellion against God and you knew it.
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  And that's one of the fascinating parts of your story that you knew about God and you
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  knew you were pursuing Satanism.
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  So let's go back to you come from a family of 12 and when you were young, go back there
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  and just we'll, we'll walk people through this.
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  So you're right.
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  I came from a really big family.
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  Whenever there was just nine of us, my mom, she, she got cancer, was diagnosed with cancer.
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  And at the time we were attending a, it was a, a Pentecostal church that at one point
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  may have been a gospel preaching, you know, Bible believing gospel preaching Pentecostal
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  church.
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  I have love for all denominations within biblical orthodoxy and within, you know, the,
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  that uphold biblical standards.
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  But this, this church did devolve into cult like tactics and practices, including intimidation
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  and isolating themselves, including themselves.
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  And so, and there was a sexual predator who was running rampant in the church, hellfire
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  and brimstone every week, three times a week, baby, because we were there for, we were
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  there every day.
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  I mean, three times a week at least.
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  And it was the only people that we knew.
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  So I, it was a faith healing culture where a lot of the, the impetus or the, the, the,
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  the weight is on the person who's seeking healing or the people who are healing in order
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  to be healed.
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  You know, that's, that's where all of the focus is is, do you have enough belief?
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  And, and so as a child, I, I watched our community gather around my mom and people prophesy
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  over her and say that she was going to be healed if we had enough faith.
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  And then I put, you know, I put my faith in God for that as well, but she, she did die.
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  And it happened pretty, pretty quickly.
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  And so that started my confusion and anger at God, whether there was, I, that, that sexual
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  predator, I mentioned that was running rampant, he, he abused a lot of, of people.
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  His, his entire family was affected by it.
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  Most of my family, I was so young that if something traumatic had happened to me, I actually
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  wouldn't remember it.
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  So, but, but things that I may share later on lead me to believe I wasn't included in,
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  in, in some of that abuse.
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  Well, Mason, let's go back to, you were four years old when your mom died.
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  Yeah, about four and a half.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  So let's talk about the, the theology behind the, the name it claim, the, the faith healing
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  word faith.
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  Yeah.
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  What did you pick up as a four year old, um, and, and your mom died, you know, you, you,
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  people around you were praying and, uh, just, do you, what do you remember?
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  And what can you connect the dots about now?
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  Well, it's, you know, memory, change over time as I've been able to connect more dots,
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  but I, I distinctly remember a crowd of people gathering around my mom, her, you know,
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  weeping up, uplifted hands and this, you know, that, that something great was happening.
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  And I had all my excitement and energy about, I got us healing my mom right now because
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  this is, there's so much, uh, there was so much hype and, uh, fluff, you know, to it.
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  And these people were earnest.
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  I mean, they really believed God was doing something, um, and I, I don't poo poo the gifts,
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  you know, I, I, I love the spiritual gifts.
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  I'm, I, I am, I would consider myself to like, still, uh, to still pursue those things.
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  But, but the way you do that, cessationist or continuationist matters a lot.
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  And the theology, the theology of suffering was nonexistent.
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  And for, maybe if that's the first time someone's hearing theology of suffering,
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  basically, that's, that's how you deal with grief and sorrow and loss in light of who God is.
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  Like the problem of evil, if God is all good, how can there be suffering and death?
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  And there was, I wasn't equipped from, uh, from a young age and I, I certainly wasn't equipped
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  after that to, to know how to deal with that loss.
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  And so I, I retreated into coping skills that were the most, uh, unsavory type.
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  And we're going to go there next, actually, in a minute, everyone who's watching and listening
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  right now, almost everyone has lost a loved one or lost someone that they care about, um,
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  your circumstances were very interesting and a lot of people have come from that background.
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  The word faith where they were very disappointed.
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  They had expectations and this was all built up.
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  And then when it didn't happen, the way people were praying, you fall away or you get angry at God.
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  So that's very understandable that you, if it's such a young age, you're angry at God,
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  especially when people were, you know, saying, hey, your mom's going to be healed.
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  I can relate to a couple of stories in my own life.
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  We lived in Southern California for a while.
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  People were saying a certain thing, kind of prophesying without saying it's a prophecy.
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  And sometimes it's just friends, we need to be very careful.
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  What we speak over other people, what we share, um, don't say the say at the Lord,
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  don't say, hey, this is from God, you know, let God be sovereign over things.
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  Keep praying.
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  That's right.
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  Keep the faith, keep praying.
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  God does heal sometimes, but oftentimes he does not go to a, a cancer
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  word, go to a children's hospital, go to, you know what I mean, there, there's a lot of cases
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  where God does not heal, but he is the same God.
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  So before we move on, do you want to comment on that at all Mason?
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  Yeah, I think that's worth, you know, hitting again and again in this day and age,
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  because there is so much suffering that so many people have loved ones that have
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  wandered from the faith or children who are prodigal.
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  And if there's a difference between belief in God's character, that he is powerful,
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  that he's good, that he's sovereign over every situation.
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  There's nothing outside of his reach.
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  And he can do anything and praying in accordance with that.
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  Like God, I know this to be who you are.
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  I know what it says in your word.
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  And I believe you can do it today versus this is what I want.
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  This is what I expect.
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  And if this doesn't happen, I'm out.
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  And I like, you have to have a category for, you don't want to, you don't want to set
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  your prayers up to flop like you don't want to pray over somebody who's sick.
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  God, if it's there, if it's your will for this person to die right now, that's great.
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  You know, I guess keep an expectation for God to do amazing things, but to tell someone
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  that that's going to happen, you, you are not equipping them for the eventuality that they,
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  you know, that everyone's going to die for sure.
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  Everybody who Jesus healed eventually died.
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  And it's just for Christians, it's, it's just a movement from one location to the next.
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  It's not, it's, it's a glorious thing to enter into Christ's presence.
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  Amen.
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  Amen.
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  We forget about that.
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  We put so much stock in this life, you know, let God be God.
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  He is sovereign and that's why I like to name sovereign fire studios that you have.
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  I'm so talk about how you then got into occult music and drugs.
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  So you're very young.
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  What happened when you were five, six, seven, eight, you occult music.
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  A lot of people can relate to music being such an attraction, such a lure.
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  Just share that part of your story.
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  Absolutely.
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  Yeah, David, thanks for for sparking those memories.
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  So I remember from the time I was in that Pentecostal, what became a cult atmosphere,
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  they played a movie about rock and roll.
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  And there was this, like how it was of the devil.
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  And there was this sweaty, I think it was like, I don't remember who it was,
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  but he was sweaty banging on the piano, you know, probably on drugs.
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  And I was enamored with that guy.
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  I was like, he looks like he's having a real heck of a time.
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  And so I can remember from an early age music, just it got me.
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  And that's how it is for, for most people, music bypasses the frontal cortex,
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  where all decisions are made like your irrational, you can reason and weigh things.
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  It bypasses that and slips in messages.
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  So the question is like, what messages, what are you consuming?
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  And what I was consuming from the time I was, I was maybe seven or eight was really,
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  you know, if you look at the most popular artists today,
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  the ones who really get clout and fame and fortune are those who glorify violence,
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  hypersexuality, the LGBTQ agenda, those who, that's really huge now.
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  By the way, the LGBTQ agenda is like, you have to worship that golden calf
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  in order to make it in the music industry almost.
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  But the people I was listening to, I mean, everything from Led Zeppelin,
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  glorifying the occult, kind of mystifying and there was an enchantment about rock and roll
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  and that that was kind of unmatched for me.
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  So it started out with like, you know, classic rock, the Beatles, kind of the LSD,
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  psychedelic kind of bands.
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  And then that culture shifted into alt rock and indie rock.
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  And it's still alive today through like MGMT and the neon trees, etc.
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  Imagine dragons, kinds of boroughs, kind of boroughs from that cold play,
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  even borrow some of the psychedelic imagery and that kind of thing, but they're lesser on
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  the lyrics. But without getting into all of the names, I consumed a huge body of music.
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  And that was where I went to escape these feelings of just desperation.
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  I was totally devoid of hope.
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  I hated God. I was, I feared him.
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  I knew he was real, but I didn't believe him to be the God that we see revealed in like Psalm 103
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  or in Exodus when he says, the Lord, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger,
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  a bounding and steadfast love, keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving inequity,
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  transgressions and sins. I only knew the half, the latter part of that, you know,
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  who will buy no means clear the guilty.
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  That's who I knew, like the the fierce judge wrathful and I just felt like he was breathing
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  down my neck, waiting for me to screw up. And so that was my experience with God and to escape
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  those feelings. I had an instance of sexual abuse later on in my life in kindergarten when I
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  entered when I entered public school the year my mom died. And I should mention this when my
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  mother passed away my dad descended into into grief and into just serve. He was in survival mode,
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  like totally lost in alcoholism and grief. So so the unspoken rule of our house David was like
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  just keep yourself suffering in your grief inside. Don't let it rub off on other people.
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  Don't mention mom. We never talked about my mom. And so that left me with these,
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  you know, experimenting sexually with homosexuality, experimenting with music and eventually drugs.
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  When I first tried hot vodka out of a back of my dad's car, I was like, this is what I want to do
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  all the time. This is the this is the escape. So what is that? What is hot vodka? Is that a drink?
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  It was warm. No, it was like it was hot because it was the summer. And it was just vodka
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  straight out of the back of his truck and it was disgusting. But I I thought it was a drug
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  or something like that. Anyway, we're going to take a pause with Mason Skegs. But before we do
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  that, I want to shout out to good fight ministries, our friends Joe Shimmel and Chad Davison,
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  goodfight.org. Joe came out with a series many decades ago called they sold their souls
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  for rock and roll that talks about the occultism and the Satanism behind a lot of music even
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  today's stars that sadly a lot of Christians still listen to. So we're talking with Mason. When
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  we come back, I'm going to ask him, he said he knew enough about the Bible to know he was following
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  Satan. So he knew that. And also he said he was discipled. He used that word, discipled by internet
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  when you were, before this, before you were even 10 years old, Mason, and you said you were
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  discipled by an internet porn. I'm guessing you weren't talking about your pain in your in your
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  home. I'm sure you weren't opening up to your friends about it. You were dealing with a lot
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  internalizing a lot. Music was an outlet. Pornography became an outlet. Share what happened.
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  Yeah. So I was, it started out with like innocent internet searches just about the anatomy
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  and, you know, of the, of the human body. And I was always fascinated with girls, but I reached
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  an age where I wanted to know more. And I had seen in a popular movie, first of all, so watch
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  what your kids are watching. Yeah. Like if you wouldn't watch it, don't let your kids watch it.
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  Of course, but I was watching some age inappropriate content at a friend's house. And I took an
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  interest and it started out with those simple searches. And, and I was fast-tracked to the very
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  worst, like the gutter of the internet. This was when the internet was less regulated. So I saw
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  everything, the most violent, violent things that you can imagine. I was exposed to as my first,
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  like that was my experience of what sex was. And so I, my message that one, a big part of the
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  message that I want to get out after being in, you know, recovery from sexual addiction for four
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  and a half years now, I want to get people, I want to get parents awake to the fact that if you're
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  not the expert, if you don't come to your kids as the expert on sexual things, if you don't make
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  yourself available for all the questions that are that they're going to have, someone else will
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  get to them and whoever gets to them first becomes the expert. They're going to disciple your kids.
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  And the internet discipled me very quickly. I saw homosexual pornography. I saw all all types of
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  pornography and it shaped my sexuality. It's it's shaped what I craved because that that the
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  initial trauma becomes like the the bar for where or what you're looking for. That's actually,
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  you know, scientifically proven that that that, you know, whatever is most shocking, that raises your
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  tolerance. So as time went on, pornography and drugs became really when inner trying inner
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  twined with me, I was taking prescription drugs from from friends at school and taking
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  Adderall and basically government prescribed methamphetamine is what I would call it staying up
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  for nights at a time and just spiraling in sexual immorality and depravity and and that linked
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  arms with the occult eventually. Okay, we the next part. So I'm sure there's there's many, many more
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  details that we don't have time to get into. By the way, are you ever think about writing your
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  testimony down, putting out a blog, writing a little book or something? Have you ever thought about that?
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  Yeah, I have. I just released a video actually yesterday that is trending well on my channel.
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  It's actually it's called gay satanist od's then this happens. It's the first one that I
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  that I've released. It's it's it's a more thorough testimony and so people can check that out.
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  Okay, so that was my next question. What was your lowest moment? And I'm guessing it was the overdose.
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  Go ahead and share that. Yeah, you would think it would be. I mean, I had got into hallucinogens and
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  heroin, methamphetamine was selling cocaine, doing blood blood magic rituals and I started consciously
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  serving the devil because I just thought I was too far gone, too hopeless and I might as well.
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  I was in a band. I wanted success with that. And so I thought I could fast track it by just
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  worshiping the the prince of darkness himself and that I would get fame and unfortunate significance
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  that way. And so I went headfirst into that and eventually I ended up having an overdose where I
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  I took too much of a sedative and I was walking it got in an uber was taken at home and I I started
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  to say a few words and took a bite of a candy bar and then just was gone. Nothing like no warning.
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  I had had overdoses in the past where there was time for me to scramble and think about my life.
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  This was just blackness. And so I head back through up and inhaled it as fixated and by the grace
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  of God by his providence and his sovereign kindness, he he had the uber driver take me to the place
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  that he was supposed to and called the ambulance to meet us there and they pumped my lungs. They
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  were able to save my life. My dad gave me an ultimatum David in the hospital. He's like, I will pay
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  for rehab again because I by this time I'd been arrested four times. I'd gone to rehab three times.
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  But he was like, I'll pay for rehab if you go out of state but Mason like, this is it. This is
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  this is it. But I was I was not at rock bottom when I got out of the hospital. I was doing drugs
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  that day, crying my eyes out like I just can't stop. Yeah. Wow. So really quick. I'm curious. Did
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  you ever get a hold of the uber driver to maybe thank him? There was no way for me. They,
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  they make it where you can't you you're not like you bait. I couldn't get back in contact with
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  them. But I if he if he sees this man, thank you. Or if you're an angel, I don't know. Yeah. God
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  used him to save your life. So let's talk about what brought you to Christ. How were you then
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  after all this? After you were thought even yourself, you were so far gone. You were hopeless.
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  How did this happen? How did who led you to Christ? How did you come to the Lord Jesus Christ
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  and be saved? Yes. I was in willful rejection of what I knew about God. Like Ephesians 2 says we
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  all are. I mean, even in the Psalms, it talks about how the the heavens declared the glory of God.
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  God has made manifest to man. Now, there's his attributes are made manifest to us through creation.
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  And so I knew God. I hated what I knew about God. And I couldn't love him. I was incapable of
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  honoring him or loving him. And so I went to this rehab. My dad sent me to I was incredibly demonized
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  hearing voices. I mean, I had by this time I had done blood rituals, drank blood, signed my name
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  and blood. And so I left there early and got back in the band. The band was having mild local
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  success. And I met a girl as often God uses God uses the opposite sex. I met a girl that I
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  fell in love with. And around that time, God started showing me how just truly how destructive I
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  was and how lost and hopeless I was. I started seeing the cycles that I had been going through all
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  my life. And I was I started to become dissatisfied with living in the muck. And but I still didn't
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  love God. I was still practicing new age, you know, manifestation and these these magical practices.
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  And my the woman who's now my wife, the girlfriend at the time, would send me sermons and
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  Bible verses every once in a while. She was her Christian. Oh, really?
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  Even a Christian. No, she just thought she thought maybe this will help this guy. He's really off
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  the rails. And it over time I knew enough of the gospel where there was a moment when I was at work
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  everyone else was gone. And I had been searching how to be free from addiction, how to be like
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  changed. And I found a bunch of hyper charismatic nonsense. No, no true help on the internet. So I
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  pushed the keyboard away. I put my head in my hands and I I just like started to pray earnestly.
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  And I felt God's love, his justice, his holiness. But I felt his hit the humility of Jesus,
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  like kneeling to me to want to help me. I felt as like he wanted me and was willing to wipe away
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  my sins. And so I prayed something like God, I believe you exist. I believe that you can change me.
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  But if you want me, I'll give you all of who I am. You have to do all the work. You have to do
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  everything. Like I'll I'll give you myself. And you have you have to change me like
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  make me and remake me. And that's that he kept his promise. He forgave my sins. He gave me
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  the righteousness of Christ. And that started me down the journey to recovery. Wow. And now you've
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  learned both sides of God, you know, the righteousness and the love and the compassion. And now the
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  you know, the judgment and the truth and the, you know, the well, that we need to repent. But God
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  is so balanced in his character. He's so perfect. And I know you've learned that briefly,
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  less than two minutes, where are you at? What are your plans? What if you mentioned seminary?
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  Yeah. Yeah. So I go to Midwestern Baptist, theological seminary. And I serve full time or in
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  my church right now as the director of musical worship at Emmaus church in Kansas City.
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  I lead a men's group pursuing a sexual sobriety, sexual health and and holiness. And then I lead a
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  community group. But my goal is to reach more young people that were like I was or that are like I
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  was and just make an impact for the gospel. There's so much occultism and new age and and brokenness
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  out there. So I just pray that God uses me in those ways. He is. He is brother. I'm a son of
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  Skags. You've got an amazing, powerful, impactful story. And your life is an example of how he can
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  turn anyone around and draw anyone to him. So friends, I encourage you right now to pray for Mason
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  and his wife is family protection. God's provision, direction, but especially protection over his
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  life as he exalts the Lord Jesus Christ and glorifies him and shares what he has done in Mason's
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  life. Great transformation. That's why I wanted to have you on when you contacted me. I read your
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  story. I'm going, wow. Yes. Let's get you scheduled. So thank you brother. Lord willing,
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  we'll do this again. We'll keep in touch with you and we'll connect you with some other people
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  too. Your story needs to get out there. So thanks for all you're doing and continue to may he
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  enlarge your territory. And God bless you brother. Thanks for your time. Thank you brother, David.
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  All right, guys, sovereign fire studios on YouTube and other platforms. And by the way,
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  he said I could give his email out if you wanted to contact him for anything. And that is sovereign
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  fire studios at gmail.com. Well, God bless you friends. And as always, keep speaking the truth about
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  things that matter.