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Owning Your Legacy With ZOLTAN BATHORY From FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: So this is Zultan Battery from five in that punch.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go, Exultan, thanks for joining us today.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, man, let's let's go. Let's roll right yeah, five
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  Speaker 2: figured Death Punch.
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  Speaker 3: I've announced a new album, Legacy, will be out on
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  Speaker 3: July the thirty first, mate, So how do you feel
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  Speaker 3: about it?
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's as I said, every every band
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  Speaker 1: has to say like, oh, this is our best record,
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  Speaker 1: this is best producer, best best best bet whatever. Right,
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  Speaker 1: that's the hype. So I don't want to even hype it.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what it will speaks for. It
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  Speaker 1: says itself. It's a freaking monster. This this record. To me,
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  Speaker 1: if somebody never heard of five thing that point and
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  Speaker 1: you say, hey, give me an album.
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  Speaker 2: What is five? This is it right here?
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  Speaker 1: If you give this album to somebody, this that's why
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  Speaker 1: we called it legacy. It kind of encompasses what this
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  Speaker 1: band is, the whole thing. This is the fingerprint or
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  Speaker 1: the thumb print of that punch. This is it right
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  Speaker 1: here now.
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  Speaker 3: Then you mentioned or legacy, right, it's even more the
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  Speaker 3: past legacy band you think, or the future legacy of
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  Speaker 3: the band.
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  Speaker 1: So to me, it's just a milestone kind of Look,
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  Speaker 1: it's the whole idea came about where you know, we
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  Speaker 1: were re recording the greatest hits, right, that moment kind
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  Speaker 1: of gave us the first time in our career we
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  Speaker 1: had a little bit of a break and got to
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  Speaker 1: reflect on how far we came.
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  Speaker 2: So that's when we sort.
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  Speaker 1: Of realized, like, man, we're around for this long and
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  Speaker 1: we didn't kill each other, even though we probably planned
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  Speaker 1: it a couple of times, you know. So we're still here,
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  Speaker 1: nine records in, we are about to do a tent one.
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  Speaker 1: We do you have a legacy, It's we created something
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  Speaker 1: that is here to stay. Fifty years from now, somebody
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  Speaker 1: who writes a book about heavy metal hard drug, we
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  Speaker 1: will be in that book. So that's kind of how
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  Speaker 1: we felt about why this is called the legacy. There's
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  Speaker 1: a difference between being famous for something or having a legacy.
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  Speaker 1: You can do something crazy and beyond the news tomorrow, right,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not a legacy.
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  Speaker 2: Legacy.
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  Speaker 1: You have to work on it, and you have to
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  Speaker 1: in ones, and you have to change something in the world,
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  Speaker 1: something that will stay after you're not here, right, And
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  Speaker 1: so that's kind of why we call the legacy.
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  Speaker 2: But with the same talken to us.
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  Speaker 1: This is a milestone, sort of a reflection where we
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  Speaker 1: came from and also the projection of what's coming. This
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  Speaker 1: record is a little bit different and you can it's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit cinematics. There is something more to this
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  Speaker 1: record and kind of sets up where the band is going.
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  Speaker 1: So that's it's kind of a pillar standing in a
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  Speaker 1: center of where Carrier like, Okay, here we are and
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  Speaker 1: now be moving on and you know, kind of driving
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  Speaker 1: into the future.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad to mention the cinematic a little bit, mate,
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  Speaker 3: because that does come up a lot when you're talking
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  Speaker 3: about the album. So defind cinematic when it comes to music.
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  Speaker 2: So to me, cinematic is let's start here.
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  Speaker 1: I am a huge fan, huge fan of songwriters, composers
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  Speaker 1: who scored for movies, right Hants Zimmer and your mov Icon,
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  Speaker 1: all these guys Ian Hammer, you know, these these these
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  Speaker 1: guys have to compose a piece of music that that
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  Speaker 1: will go with a movie, but in a way that
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  Speaker 1: if they screw up, if if the if the music
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  Speaker 1: is not right, it will destroy the movie. Right, if
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  Speaker 1: the music is right, you won't even notice the soundtrack.
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  Speaker 1: And if the music is great, it makes a movie better.
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  Speaker 1: It makes the movie a masterpiece of almost right. And
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  Speaker 1: we've seen this tree history how that actually matters? And
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  Speaker 1: so I always looked at music that way, that that
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  Speaker 1: that song, that that piece of.
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  Speaker 2: Music had to give you a picture of description.
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  Speaker 1: Are paint a movie almost in better example, even classical songwriters.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in Europe, so classical music is in
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  Speaker 1: the background, even if I don't even if I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: like it, It's in the culture, right, okay. And I
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  Speaker 1: usually use Vivodi as an example, but I could use
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  Speaker 1: Tcharikovski I cuse you, and of these guys, but Vivoldi
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  Speaker 1: is the most obvious. If I play you four seasons
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  Speaker 1: from Vivaldi, right, there are four seasons in there, and.
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  Speaker 2: I ask you which one is winter? You would know
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  Speaker 2: which one is summer? You would know? So how did
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  Speaker 2: you know the music told you that? Right?
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  Speaker 1: And so to me, something cinematic is where the movie
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  Speaker 1: the music is already telling you the story before there
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  Speaker 1: is even vocals on it.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And so this.
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  Speaker 1: Particular record also have various layers who use some synthesizers
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  Speaker 1: here and then and sounds.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, we really messed around with it to
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  Speaker 2: make that vibe.
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  Speaker 1: When it's you know, when I have to feel like
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that the Roman Legion walking into battle?
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  Speaker 2: How do you put that in music? Right?
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  Speaker 1: So that's to me what cinematic means that you know
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  Speaker 1: that it has to tell you a story even without vocals.
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  Speaker 3: Again, I guess the best point in case of that
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  Speaker 3: series right the way the album opens rid the child
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  Speaker 3: track Legacy, like there's a big gust the wind before
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  Speaker 3: the song starts, and it sort of it does and
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  Speaker 3: it sets the mood and it sort of takes you
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  Speaker 3: to that area sort of place straight.
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  Speaker 1: It's worked right right before the storm kind of you know, yes,
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  Speaker 1: we start feeling, oh it's coming.
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  Speaker 2: And so here's the thing, man, yep, big kids, Chris,
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  Speaker 2: here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Because we had a little bit more time, like, look,
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  Speaker 1: this band was on tour. We put out the record
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, after that, two days on the road,
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  Speaker 1: new record, back on the road, two hundred days. So
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  Speaker 1: we never really had time, you know, to do anything. Really,
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  Speaker 1: we grew up on the road together. We spend half
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  Speaker 1: of our lives with each other, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So this is this is a machine that just a
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  Speaker 1: nomadic machine so to speak, that just went to conquer
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  Speaker 1: the world, so to speak. And this was the first
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  Speaker 1: time where we have three years between records, right, so
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  Speaker 1: we had a little bit of over time, and so
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  Speaker 1: we wrote probably like almost thirty songs, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: from the thirty songs, we start picking the ones for
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  Speaker 1: this record, like which one would be? You know, we
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  Speaker 1: could have picked another ten and it would be a
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  Speaker 1: different record. So it was kind of intentional, Like what
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  Speaker 1: you heard was kind of intentional. Like, let's most people
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  Speaker 1: know us from songs that was on the radio, and
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  Speaker 1: there's generally the lighter songs. They're the trojan horses. But
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  Speaker 1: a metal band or hard drug band can be on
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  Speaker 1: a radio. You can't go with the bond burners. You
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  Speaker 1: have to be a little bit calmer to make it
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  Speaker 1: into you know, mainstream media. And so most people know
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  Speaker 1: us from that sort of music. They don't realize like, bro,
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  Speaker 1: there's another one hundred and eighties songs that are literally
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  Speaker 1: designed to activate your dental planet. That's a much bit crusher, right,
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily know that. So this record, but let's not
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  Speaker 1: give them a chance again. So even the singles that
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  Speaker 1: gonna be singles are pretty happy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So what would you say you had about thirty
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  Speaker 3: songs to start, Like, what would your process of elimination?
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  Speaker 3: Did you have something at that goal in mind, what
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  Speaker 3: you wanted to be overall, or did you.
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  Speaker 2: Just go for the best songs.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a when you assemble a record, right, when
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  Speaker 1: you assemble the record, it has to have a journey.
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  Speaker 2: So to speak.
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  Speaker 1: Meaning we could have picked you know, ten, fifteen, whatever
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  Speaker 1: song we're gonna put it. We could let's say we
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  Speaker 1: pick ten songs. We're gonna pick ten super heavy songs.
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  Speaker 1: To me, that's boring because it's the same that's just
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  Speaker 1: the same vibe. Right, So there's there's an idea of like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: which ones are the anchor songs? Rather are very dead
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  Speaker 1: punch like typical sound of that punch. And let's pick
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  Speaker 1: a couple of those. Usually gonna be a mid temple,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of tempo songs, right that has this
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  Speaker 1: dead punch style refridge and you know what we are
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  Speaker 1: really so you pick three four of those. Then you pick, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I need maybe three bard burners. That's what you usually
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  Speaker 1: call them, barn burners, the ones that are just this
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  Speaker 1: is a kick to the teeth kind of right in
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  Speaker 1: a couple of those. Okay, now let's pick up two
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  Speaker 1: songs maybe that are a little bit lower place, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe pick one that's an instrumental or maybe something experimental.
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  Speaker 2: So so this is like cooking. Yeah, you can't just
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  Speaker 2: put salt and.
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  Speaker 1: You have to put you know this a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of that, you know what I mean, through the salt whatever?
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  Speaker 1: That meme is right, and so so you know you
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  Speaker 1: have exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Cooking you have to. So that's kind of the criteria.
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  Speaker 1: We start to see how certain songs cory late and
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  Speaker 1: sounds next to each other. It's kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's a famous story house Star Wars. The original Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars were casted right. They were not casting individual actors,
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  Speaker 1: they casted the group. Does this group work right? It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like that. You look at the songs like
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  Speaker 1: does that from the thirty What are the songs that
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  Speaker 1: work together and paint a picture together?
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  Speaker 3: Did you sound like you've got a very a very
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  Speaker 3: different idea of.
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  Speaker 2: What you want on an album?
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  Speaker 3: Mate, Like how's your relationship with your label? Bet Annoys
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  Speaker 3: music like today support that the whole way through.
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  Speaker 2: So here's the thing we we don't you know.
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  Speaker 1: Our relationship with a label is really good from every
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  Speaker 1: angle because we are you know, we have partners basically, right,
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  Speaker 1: and so we never had this creative you know, row
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  Speaker 1: we don't have an a on our person, right. I
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  Speaker 1: don't make a demo and send it to the label
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  Speaker 1: like this is what we plan now, that's never gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: Never happened before, So I can't say this. In the
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  Speaker 1: twenty years career we have so far, we were always sovereign.
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  Speaker 1: It was always a sovereign band. We were always on
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  Speaker 1: an indie label, never been in a major. We never
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  Speaker 1: really had anybody or both us to tell us what
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  Speaker 1: to do, never made a demo. We just went to
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  Speaker 1: the studio, recorded the song. Here you go, put it up,
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  Speaker 1: don't argue. This is what we want. So we always
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  Speaker 1: had that. The only time that changed one time what
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  Speaker 1: happened we got into a lawsuit. Immediately We're like, fuck you. You
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  Speaker 1: know you're not telling us what to do right immediately.
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  Speaker 1: That's so that's kind of what it is.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: People usually joke that, oh, these guys are bro metal, military, mental,
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  Speaker 1: tough guy metabo, the forms that fuck you up.
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  Speaker 2: If it comes to that, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So if you've want a question that if it's a
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  Speaker 2: tough guy metal or not.
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  Speaker 1: But second, it's about the personalities that we always been sovereign.
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  Speaker 1: We did this on by our own terms. The career
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  Speaker 1: of this band happened that way, right, So, yeah, who
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  Speaker 1: is gonna attack attract It's gonna attract similar people, right,
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  Speaker 1: So that's kind of our fans. They call themselves knuckleheads
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  Speaker 1: if you didn't even name them. You know, when I
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  Speaker 1: heard it the first time, I thought, like, man, that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of rude, knock.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you guys picked it. I mean, I go
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  Speaker 2: with it, you know what I mean. But then I
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  Speaker 2: realized because they were telling me.
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh no, man, like we we are hard headed motherfuckers,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Like that's okay, or.
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  Speaker 2: From that perspective, I'm a knuckle head, right.
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  Speaker 1: So so that was always a relationship with the rable
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  Speaker 1: like we do what we do, right, this is our music.
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  Speaker 2: Don't talk into it. I'll do the art.
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  Speaker 1: I usually do the art, sometimes not, but most of
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  Speaker 1: the time I am saying with the merg same with
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  Speaker 1: pretty much everything with the band. It's all in house, right,
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  Speaker 1: And to me, that's the definition of success that you
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  Speaker 1: reach something on your own terms. Now they have a job,
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  Speaker 1: they have to put out a record and permit it
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  Speaker 1: and he great on it. So we don't step on
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  Speaker 1: each other toes. So we have a great relationship. We
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  Speaker 1: do your thing, we do ours. Don't tell us what
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  Speaker 1: to do. We won't tell you what to do. Just
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  Speaker 1: let's do this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very cool, very cool.
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  Speaker 3: Well you sort of mentioned this too, like with the
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  Speaker 3: band hitting your twenty year ballstone on this album, like
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  Speaker 3: you've gone and you've done your two best of recently,
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  Speaker 3: so how did it come back and assembling those tracks
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  Speaker 3: from the part impact on this album?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you look, we have a sound, right, so it's like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like a CDC right as a sound,
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  Speaker 1: it would make absolutely no sense to them to pivot
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  Speaker 1: and you start like, well, let's incorb it some jazz
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  Speaker 1: elements like what.
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  Speaker 2: You know sense right, and so you know, so they
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  Speaker 2: have their sound.
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  Speaker 1: Now can somebody accuse a CDC and say, well, bro,
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  Speaker 1: this sounds the same.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal.
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  Speaker 1: If you love a CDC, right, if you listen to
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  Speaker 1: that band, then you hear the difference.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, every song is in own the old
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  Speaker 2: world every song has its own thing.
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  Speaker 1: They are not similar in some sense, but they do
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  Speaker 1: have a sound. So as a sound, yeah, the vocalist
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  Speaker 1: sounds like the vocalist. The guitarist sounds like the guitarist
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  Speaker 1: is not gonna change. You're gonna get what ac DC
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  Speaker 1: produces because God's what those people together the created.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're a connoisseur of a CDC, you know
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  Speaker 1: that this song is different. That song is different. So
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  Speaker 1: from the outside and it's the same thing for five
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  Speaker 1: in that patch. We play music for our fans. I
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  Speaker 1: don't give a crap about the haters. They actually help us.
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  Speaker 1: The more shit you talk, the more it pushes the algorithm.
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  Speaker 1: So please do right, do it for us. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: but basically we pray for your friends and your fans
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  Speaker 1: are connoisseurs. They listen to us so they can tell like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: these two songs are similar, but they're not really because
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  Speaker 1: this has this feeling, this has a different feeling. Somebody
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  Speaker 1: from the outside would go, oh, it's all the same thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Well for you, like if you're if you're a beer drinker,
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  Speaker 1: you know the difference between every brand of beer.
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  Speaker 2: Right for somebody who doesn't drink beer.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's just beer. So that's kind of the thing.
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  Speaker 1: So for us, not just the past influence, like that's
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  Speaker 1: who we are, right, So everything we did in the past,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't contrived. This is what comes out of this band.
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  Speaker 1: If we put these people in the same room, this
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  Speaker 1: is the music. So it's always gonna be. That difficult
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  Speaker 1: part is you know, after ten records, you still have
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  Speaker 1: to move, you still have to do new things. And
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  Speaker 1: I think this record accomplished that. Like you hear that punch,
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  Speaker 1: but you also hear there's something different here. This is
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  Speaker 1: there's something new, there's a there's a there's a different
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  Speaker 1: vibe here. So that's what we wanted to do and
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  Speaker 1: I think one hundred person accomplished that. I look at
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  Speaker 1: this record, this is a freaking monster.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you sort of touch on this before, Like you've
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  Speaker 3: got songs like I at the Storm that are singles
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  Speaker 3: and they push the envelope for radio steles because of
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  Speaker 3: the heaviness, but you don't manage to find that mid
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  Speaker 3: champo in there the works, Like how do you find
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  Speaker 3: that balance?
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  Speaker 1: See see you know that that's what I mean, like
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  Speaker 1: because you know, you know that you listen to that
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  Speaker 1: song and you say, okay, what's on radio?
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  Speaker 2: Generally it's a little bit heavier. It's pushing the envelope
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  Speaker 2: a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit, right, And we are already in a position that
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  Speaker 1: you know, this band is how would I say this
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  Speaker 1: with that this band is is very often played on
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  Speaker 1: American especially American mainstream radio, but all over the world.
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  Speaker 1: But we are a band who have trojan horses, so
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  Speaker 1: to speak, songs that can pass by that censorship. There
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  Speaker 1: is a censorship. Certain words you can say radio, that's
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  Speaker 1: what it is, right, You can't do certain words, certain
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  Speaker 1: things you can't release sing about, and there has to
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  Speaker 1: be like how heavy, how much you scream?
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  Speaker 2: All those things are.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's a natural band, but you have to
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  Speaker 1: fit in right, and so all those things are are
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  Speaker 1: That's why I call it the trojan horses.
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  Speaker 2: All those things are set. That's not said by me,
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  Speaker 2: that's sudden.
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  Speaker 1: Set by means media, right, And because we are a
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  Speaker 1: popular band, we can push that envelope a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because the radio is like, well, these guys
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  Speaker 1: will be listening to you because they have twenty years
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  Speaker 1: of history of number one hit singles, thirty or thirty
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  Speaker 1: top ten hits, I think fifteen number one or seventeen
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  Speaker 1: number ones. So so it gives us a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of a freedom that the radio goes, that people will
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  Speaker 1: listen to this.
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  Speaker 2: They love this band, right, and so we.
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  Speaker 4: Use that a little bit, that leeway of pushing they
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  Speaker 4: just a little bit, just a little bit, So we
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: gave them this song that was a little bit heavier than,
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: you know, than what's.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: On radio normal. Right, But that's kind of why you
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: have to do it. You can't, you know, they're not
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: gonna play the other songs obviously, you know, so liber
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: there's no chance that he's gonna play those.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: What I love about the truth Bade is what you
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: can listen to some albums and you can tell that
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: the band's written that song for radio, whereas you listen
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: to a five thing Death Punch album and they don't
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: stand out like you can't say, o, they've started out
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: and done that just radio. You know, like you've still
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: done it for the song, but it's happened to reach
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: out to radio, if that makes sense. It's it's a byline,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: but you travel it really well.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Right, I mean, look, that's because it because it was organic, right,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: so it wasn't something like, hey, guys, let's go to
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: the studio and write a radio song. That's not how
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: this happened. Right when we came out two thousand and seven,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: we were kind of flying into the face of that trend,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: you know, like we were not a trend de band.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: We were not jumping on okay, everybody is incorporating hip
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: hop now where everybody's doing this or you know what
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I mean. So we were not a trend e band.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: We we came out with the record that we have
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: a face where this is. We recorded it in my
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: bedroom and in my living room. Literally we mixed it up,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: you know, we did the whole thing on our own, right,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: and so we had Logan Mayer mixed the first record,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: a friend of us, and so everything was kind of,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you know, our own self promotions, self productions have everything,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and we had to deal with the label like, look, guys,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: if you put on this record the way it is,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: you don't change anything. We have a deal, and you
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: never tell us what to do, then we have a deal.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: If not, you know, then we have of it. We
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: do it on our own. And so that's kind of
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: how this happened. And one of the songs, the Bleeding
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: just broke through the radio, right and it became a
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: top ten hit, which was we were so much heavier
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: than what was a random at the time on radio,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: so that was kind of a miracle. But because that
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: happened in some way, we also changed radio a little bit.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: What was on American radio, at least what was on
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: American radio kind of start to shift. Is that of
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: a sudden they played five Wing in that Punch and
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: it was different, and all of a sudden they played
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: another song that went on the top of the charts
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: So it kind of.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Started to shift almost like us, we were kind of
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: prying the door open a little bit for heavier bands,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: you know. And so it wasn't that we conformed to
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the sound of radio. It was just we had a
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: song that made it true. And after that we kind
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: of realized that that's where we live anyway, and radio
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: start to accept more and more over music. And eventually
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the radio found out like, oh, I guess the audience
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: is ready for this, because all of our songs start
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: to go top ten, then became number one, and then
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: consequently number one, number one, number one. That means, you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: the radio can't make you number one. It's people have
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: to listen to it to become number one. Right. If
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: the song is not, you know, people switch channels, then
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: it's gone, and so us and the fence basically what
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: created this, right, they always have to say the fence
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: because we are the people's band them we you.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Know, this is really a band that was elevated by
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: the fans.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So, speaking radio, do you remember the very first
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: song you heard one of your songs played on radio?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: And way away?
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: In what song? Was it.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: The very first song that I heard on radio? Or
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: you heard oos for somebody else? You heard alradio? Oh?
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I mean like the Bleeding went on?
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: You know that was the first one, right that that
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: went top ten and was very unexpected.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: But we had we had a radio.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Ninja or the person who manages the band to this day, right,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Jackie Kaiser. She kind of found this band, And the
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: story is true. She had our CD right or promo CD.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: We already had the album when it was self produced,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: self recorded, and she took it to the label and
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: they threw it in the garbage. So she took get
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: out of the garbage, gave it back to them and
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: that kept happening until she was like, listen to this band, guys,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: if you don't sign this band, you're gonna regret it forever,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: says the future, right, And finally like okay, fine, they
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: listened to it and it said, well they have a showcase.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: They can put up a showcase for a label. And
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: it was in a viper room in Los Angeles, right,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: tiny low place. Two hundred people fit there maybe, right,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And we went and did the showcase in a in
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a viper room and I can tell you that, man,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: we blew the roof off of this place. I mean
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: we played the show. It was a kick to the teeth.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, whoever was there, you get pummeled. It was
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: just crazy. And you know, label is there and seeing
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: all this, they were like, holy shit, right, and that's
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you know how we got signed.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And she's our manager to this day, to this day.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: This journey went together.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: So so she worked pretty hard on the you know,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: on that song she was promoting and you know, talking
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: to radio and tried to get this song into the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: hands of you know, radio guys to play it right.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: And generally I think.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: It took like maybe like six months or something like
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: that to break into the top. But once it did,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: that's what I mean, like that was a nuclear explosion
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: from then on, you know, that's this is this is
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: our lives and we are greatly connected to radio. But
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: we also you know, we have a very good friendship
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: with older radio stations because we do shows for them.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: We did a bunch of meetings. We would get up
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: six in the morning and go to the station player
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: set in the station. Right, you gotta you know what
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you have to you get what you
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: give basically, right. So our success, man, we we we
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: vote for everything like there was not a hand that
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: ever of any kind. We never had really tour support.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: We had I was designing emerged. We had good merched
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and merged we paid for our buses and everything else.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: So it was pretty set off.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Made you know. That's why to me, succeeding on your.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Terms is success being To me, success is being sovereign
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: when you don't have anybody to tell you what to do,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you do your you live your life by terms.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: That's success to me.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Be Also, there's a perfect place to lave rather the
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: album Lega is the Outsolt, the thirty first and as
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: you say, man, I'll back you up, absolute fucking monster
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: of Nowvin Brothers.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Are well done and better luck. Thank you, my brother,