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Evil Stepmom’s Google Searches Reveal Hate for Little Boy Gannon Stauch, Wanted Him GONE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Murder moms, think about it,
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Speaker 1: Murder moms. Who are these women? Why do they murder?
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Speaker 1: And if they murder, why do they target their own children?
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. The name Letitia Stout should
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Speaker 1: send a chill down your spine. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: The community holding out hope that Gannon will be found.
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Speaker 1: They've been tying up blue ribbons around the neighborhood, Gannon's
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Speaker 1: favorite color, and distributing and posting flyers like this. Gannon
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Speaker 1: has brown hair and brown eyes. He's eleven years old.
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Speaker 1: He's four nine and weighs ninety pounds, and he was
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Speaker 1: last seen wearing a blue jacket and jeans. Now, we
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Speaker 1: spoke with Gannon's dad on Tuesday and night, and he
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Speaker 1: told us his son was last scene between three fifteen
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Speaker 1: and four on Monday afternoon, that he was going to
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Speaker 1: a friend's house, but didn't say which friend. The dad
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Speaker 1: tells us when Gannon didn't return home a few hours later,
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Speaker 1: that's when police were called. Now, a little after ten
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, the Elpaso County Sheriff's Office showed up at
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Speaker 1: Gannon's home. Law enforcement were at the home and appeared
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Speaker 1: to be searching in the backyard with some flashlights. Gannon's
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Speaker 1: parents speaking about the search for their son just moments ago.
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Speaker 1: I'm land and Hyatt, Gannon's mom, and I encourage you guys.
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Speaker 1: I know many of you mothers and fathers. I encourage
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Speaker 1: you just to seek find him. I'm so thankful for
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Speaker 1: all the outpouring help. He were just hearing our frency
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Speaker 1: koa a NBC five that was reporter Katie Blaze, join
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel to break it down, break
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Speaker 1: it down and put it back together again. Murder moms,
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Speaker 1: who are they? Why do they kill? And why do
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Speaker 1: they target their own children? First of all, let me
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Speaker 1: get straight out to Lee Egan, crime online dot com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter joining us in addition to Dale Carson, new
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney joining us out of Jacksonville. Former FBI
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Speaker 1: cop and author of Arrest Proof Yourself on Amazon. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Jory Krozen, police psychologist, adjunct Faculty Saint Leo and author
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Speaker 1: of Stop Officer Suicide. Dan Scott retired LA County share
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Speaker 1: sergeant twenty six years, Chris Buyers with Chris Buyers Investigations,
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Speaker 1: and polygraph dot Com. Doctor Michelle Dupree forensic pathologists, former
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Speaker 1: medical examiner and author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide and
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Speaker 1: Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide. Sydney Still News reporter k
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Speaker 1: RDO News Channel thirteen. Lee Egan, Crime Online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Lee Egan, you've spoken at length with the mom,
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Speaker 1: the step mom, Letitia Stouch. How did she sound when
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Speaker 1: you spoke to her, Well, she sounded pretty much how
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Speaker 1: you would expect someone to sound who's been in jail,
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Speaker 1: mostly in their cell all day long. She wanted out,
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Speaker 1: and she wanted to find any way to get out,
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Speaker 1: including lying, I'm sorry, including lying, lying, telling a lie,
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Speaker 1: including trying to allegedly hatch a plan to break herself
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Speaker 1: out of a jail window. There's been a lot of
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Speaker 1: accusations of lying. Correct guys, I appreciate Lee Egan, you
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Speaker 1: tiptoeing around the facts of accusations of lying straight out
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Speaker 1: to Sydney Stelle News reporter KRDO Sydney, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. You can find Sydney on Twitter at
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Speaker 1: Sydney Stell Sydney. Let's talk about when Ghana Starch, just
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Speaker 1: eleven years old, goes missing, Sydney. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: the Passau County Shaff's press conference our Cup fifteen. This
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Speaker 1: has been a method up the time consuming multi state
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Speaker 1: operation with investigators working nearly around the clock to find Ganning.
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Speaker 1: There have been thousands of hours of investigation in search efforts.
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Speaker 1: This includes large scale searches in addition to small specific
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Speaker 1: searches with drones, horses, kenines and other resources. Well, we
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Speaker 1: have not yet found gaining information has been developed that
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Speaker 1: is helping us narrow our search. We do not believe
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Speaker 1: again is alive. Let's start at the very beginning, Sydney
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Speaker 1: still joining us, Sydney, how do we first learned the
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Speaker 1: eleven year old Gannon Stoutch was missing. Well, he went
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Speaker 1: missing in January and reports come out. In fact, one
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Speaker 1: of our photographers was actually speaking to Letitia and Alum
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Speaker 1: as he went missing. In fact, they even went up
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Speaker 1: and started talking to one of our photographers cheap in
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Speaker 1: Um before they went and talked to police. So um
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Speaker 1: it was he said, UM. She didn't want to say much.
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Speaker 1: It was more al talking to him and then um
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Speaker 1: they went to police and then at that point the
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Speaker 1: search the search was out for for Gannon. Large scale
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Speaker 1: search using drunes, horses, k nines and other resources, Lee, Agan,
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Speaker 1: what was the first story that emerged about how Gannon
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Speaker 1: went missing? Our first story on crime online was actually
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Speaker 1: d day after he disappeared. It was one of your
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Speaker 1: friends daughters that reached out to to you, Nancy Um
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Speaker 1: the Bobby Brown, I believe his name is a bondsman.
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Speaker 1: His daughter lives in the air and reached out to you,
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Speaker 1: and so we got the story out pretty quickly. It
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Speaker 1: was about a runaway boy. They were they were there.
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Speaker 1: So in answer to the question, Lee, it was first
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Speaker 1: reported as a runaway. Ghana Starch eleven years old was
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Speaker 1: reported my step mom Letitia as a runaway. Is that
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Speaker 1: what I'm hearing? That's correct? Describe the report of him
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Speaker 1: being a runaway. She said that he was speaking with
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Speaker 1: somebody that she had concerns with on YouTube. It was
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Speaker 1: some kind of YouTube influencer and she had fears that
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Speaker 1: he may have left with this guy. She didn't know
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Speaker 1: who he was, didn't know how to get in contact
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Speaker 1: with him. She said. The last time she saw him,
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Speaker 1: he was leaving on foot, supposedly to a friend's house
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Speaker 1: in his same neighborhood there in Colorado's Springs. But the
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Speaker 1: friend had never seen Gannon that day at all. He
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Speaker 1: didn't go to school and he didn't see him after school. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing a kind of a mishmash of a story.
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Speaker 1: So was her first claim lee Egan? That he ran away,
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Speaker 1: or that he went away with the influence the influencer,
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Speaker 1: or that he was going to a friend's house. She
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Speaker 1: said he was going to a friend's house, but she
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Speaker 1: had concern. Okay, I hear what you're saying. Let me
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Speaker 1: go straight out to doctor Jorry Crossing, police psychologist at
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Speaker 1: jack Faculty, Saint Leo, author of Operation Essay West Practical
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Speaker 1: Recommendations to stop Officers suicide, Doctor Crawsen. When I ask
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Speaker 1: a witness a question and they start giving me several
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Speaker 1: different stories that are kind of like intermished, that rings
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Speaker 1: a red bell of alarm in my mind. You can't
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Speaker 1: keep your story straight, just for one minute, to tell
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Speaker 1: me what happened to your son? No, And a building
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Speaker 1: on that also is she starts a building in confusion.
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Speaker 1: And one of the things I noticed specifically in the
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Speaker 1: interview you It was a ten minute TV interview in
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Speaker 1: about at the seven minute mark when they asked her
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Speaker 1: to describe again and she started describing him in the
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Speaker 1: past tense, you know, like he was, he did, he liked,
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Speaker 1: So she already knew that he was gone as far
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Speaker 1: as you know, psychologically speaking, her subconscious has already recognized that,
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Speaker 1: and that just you know, it's like those old Freudian
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Speaker 1: slips that just came out. It was very truthful early
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Speaker 1: on in the investigation that he was gone. Doctor Jorry
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Speaker 1: crows In hitting the nail on the head yet again.
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Speaker 1: Let me go to Dale Carson, veteran criminal defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: joining me out of Jackson bol Hey, don't you just
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Speaker 1: hate him when your clients talk to the press and
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Speaker 1: refer to their missing child in the past tense when
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Speaker 1: they haven't been found yet. Oh absolutely I do. And
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Speaker 1: chical question a rhetorical question, and you're actually answering, yes,
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Speaker 1: I hate when that happens. This woman to say. Scott
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Speaker 1: Peterson was giving an interview and he goes, Lacy was amazing. Well,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, she's only been missing a few days.
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Speaker 1: How do you know she's dead? That was my first question.
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Speaker 1: So what's with that? Dell Carson? If you're taking, if
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Speaker 1: you're representing this k this person, how do you deal
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Speaker 1: with her blurting out, oh, he was a fill in
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Speaker 1: the blank. Well, we don't even know where he is.
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Speaker 1: He could be down the street somebody's basement watching YouTube
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Speaker 1: for all they know. Well, you focus on the actual
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Speaker 1: facts and not those tapes, which you hope won't come
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Speaker 1: in front of a journey pan on and if they do,
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Speaker 1: it's going to be very difficult for you. They're coming in, Dew,
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Speaker 1: They're coming in. They're coming in as an exigent statement.
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Speaker 1: Not that we need to get around the hearsay rule
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Speaker 1: here because she's the one making them. But Dell Carson,
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Speaker 1: how do you explain that away? What do you say? Oh,
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Speaker 1: but my client was she knew in her heart he dead,
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Speaker 1: She feared he was dead, so she said that. I
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Speaker 1: hate to give you any ideas, but how do you
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Speaker 1: call that that? Well, I mean that's the way you
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Speaker 1: do it. You try to overlook that for the jury
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Speaker 1: panel and focus their energies other places where the government
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Speaker 1: has overstepped its bounds, as in the search Warner arrest one.
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Speaker 1: Did you just say the government overstepped its bounds? You
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Speaker 1: know what? That's why you win so many cases. You
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Speaker 1: say things like that and people believe you deal Carson.
10:26
Speaker 1: It's incredible time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking
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Speaker 1: about murder moms, and no such discussion could possibly be
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Speaker 1: complete without mentioning Letitia Stout, the epitome of the evil stepmother.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut three dinner CBS Local.
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Speaker 1: This is Dominant Garcia spaking a gainn first one missing
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Speaker 1: on Monday in the six thousand block of Manden Driving,
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Speaker 1: Colorado Springs. At that time, he was just considered a runaway. Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: investigators with the il Pasa County Sheriff's Office ramped up
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Speaker 1: their search. He started doing more canvassing, even collecting surveillance video.
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Speaker 1: Then today this was upgraded from a runaway case to
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Speaker 1: an endangered child case. That is for a number of reasons,
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Speaker 1: mainly the amount of time that's gone by the fact
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Speaker 1: that this boy is only eleven, the cold weather down here,
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Speaker 1: and also he takes medication that he needs. The FBI
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Speaker 1: has been requested to try and help find this boy.
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Speaker 1: The Sheriff's office is doing all they can, and so
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Speaker 1: have hundreds of the general public. That is something this
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Speaker 1: boy's father is extremely thankful for. Yeah, I came out
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Speaker 1: my front door. I think It was Tuesday and there
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Speaker 1: was three hundred people out there searching my neighborhood. Blow
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Speaker 1: me away, So so thank you everyone. You know, I
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Speaker 1: feel so bad for him because the single thing I
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Speaker 1: love the most in the world are my children. But
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Speaker 1: how do you live with someone and not know she's
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Speaker 1: an evil stepmother? How does that just escape, just go
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Speaker 1: under your radar and you don't notice anything, and then
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Speaker 1: suddenly one day the child goes missing. We're talking about
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Speaker 1: the disappearance and the martyr of Ghani Stouch, an eleven
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Speaker 1: year old little boy. You know, Chris Buyers with Chris
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Speaker 1: Buyers Investigations and Polygraphs dot Com. You've seen it all.
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Speaker 1: You've been around the block. And I mean that as praise,
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Speaker 1: But let me ask you, why is it when a
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Speaker 1: Jeve and i Ale goes missing, they're so often categorized
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Speaker 1: as a runaway at the go. Doesn't that snake might
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Speaker 1: the investigation at the very beginning? Yeah? Absolutely, I've seen
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Speaker 1: that time and time again where officers go into those
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Speaker 1: initial reports of the missing juvenile and just determined that
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Speaker 1: it being a runaway, which, like you said, it hurts
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Speaker 1: the investigation because you're not treating you know what the
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Speaker 1: person that were last seeing as a crime scene. You're
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Speaker 1: not putting together the right pieces of the puzzle that
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Speaker 1: need to be picked together early on, and a lot
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Speaker 1: of stuff gets overlooked when you just just say that
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Speaker 1: it's another runaway. Absolutely, you know another thing though, let's
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Speaker 1: think this through to Sydney. Still guests joining us from
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Speaker 1: KRDO News Channel thirteen, Sydney. Just because the cops are
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Speaker 1: saying we think he's a runaway, that doesn't mean they
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Speaker 1: think he's a runaway. With the mom changing her story
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Speaker 1: and the first time she opens her mouth gives three
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Speaker 1: different stories. He ran away, he went to go play
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Speaker 1: down the street with a friend, and I think an
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Speaker 1: online influencer took him. They had to be suspicious at
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Speaker 1: the beginning Sydney, so they could have just said runaway
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Speaker 1: while they're investigating multiple ebnues. Well, and when we ultimately
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Speaker 1: got the arrest after David too, we thought that she
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Speaker 1: did continue to change her story multiple times, so it
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Speaker 1: wasn't just those. At one point she said that she
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Speaker 1: was raped and someone took ann in. She met him
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Speaker 1: at she met that guy at a construction site. He
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Speaker 1: came to fix something at her house and then she
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Speaker 1: was raped and he was taken, so, I mean, her
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Speaker 1: story continued to change. It would be hard to imagine
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Speaker 1: police wouldn't be suspicious with the amount of different stories
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Speaker 1: that were coming out, right, you know, you know, Sydney,
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Speaker 1: you're so right, you and league and are so right.
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Speaker 1: Yet again, let me go to doctor Jorry crows In.
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Speaker 1: We need a shrink. And this guy's a place psychologist
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Speaker 1: and on the faculty at Saint Leo University, Doctor Crowsen,
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Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. I'm in the same BoatUS
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Speaker 1: Deale Carson. So let me ask you why the killers
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Speaker 1: murder moms make it about then? I mean, her story
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Speaker 1: as City Steele just told us, finally progressed too. I
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Speaker 1: was raped, I'm the victim, and then they took my
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Speaker 1: steps on That could not be further from the truth.
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Speaker 1: How does it get to be all about her? It's
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Speaker 1: a classic defense mechanism. Okay, she's got to now move
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Speaker 1: the spotlight onto her as she is the victim. And
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Speaker 1: you know you can see this in her behavior and
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Speaker 1: it continues to develop from the arrest AffA David all
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Speaker 1: the way up to now with her two clinical evaluations
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Speaker 1: for her competence, her wanting to represent herself. Everything now
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Speaker 1: is about her, and she's got to maintain that focus
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Speaker 1: on her. To me, it's like that's her only hope
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Speaker 1: to maintain some sanity, you know, and rationale in her
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Speaker 1: mind to admit to such a horrible act, you know,
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Speaker 1: would destroy a common being. You know what. We try
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Speaker 1: not to use that h word in our house, which
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Speaker 1: is hate. But what I think about this mother's just
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Speaker 1: just growing inside of me. Let me move forward with
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Speaker 1: the case. Guys. Take a listen to Spencer william he's
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Speaker 1: speaking to Stepma and Letitia Starch and our crime reporter
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Speaker 1: Lee Egan at Crimeline dot Com has had that let
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Speaker 1: me just say opportunity as well. But take a listen
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Speaker 1: to what Spencer Wilson at KKTV says. I'm just ready
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Speaker 1: for Gannon to come home, most importantly for him to
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Speaker 1: see his family. But second, I am going to be
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Speaker 1: so ecstatic when I'm able to say to people that
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Speaker 1: I hope they have a really sincere apology for all
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Speaker 1: these theories that have came out online, for all the
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Speaker 1: things they said that I have done or people have done.
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Speaker 1: And I just want everyone to know that we're going
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Speaker 1: to find Gannon and I love him so much. I've
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Speaker 1: helped taking care of him for so long. Do you
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Speaker 1: talk to me a little bit about him? I don't
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Speaker 1: know him. Gannon is so kind and he loves to
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Speaker 1: play video games. That's one of his favorite things. He
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Speaker 1: loves Sonic and Mario. And you know, he's always helpful.
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Speaker 1: And he was always so helpful with the dogs around
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Speaker 1: the house. And we have two little key dogs. And
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Speaker 1: he was always like a person. I could say again
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Speaker 1: and can you go do this? And he would do
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Speaker 1: it right away. You know, sometimes with kids we have
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Speaker 1: to remind them and things like that, and that's okay.
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Speaker 1: But he was so sweet and able to help anyone.
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Speaker 1: He could notice when you're sick and say are you okay?
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Speaker 1: And such a kind heart step mom. At this point,
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Speaker 1: he hasn't been found yet. Why are you referring to
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Speaker 1: him in the past tense? He was so sweet, he
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Speaker 1: would do whatever I told him. And not only that,
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Speaker 1: we see it again, Sydney Stille News reporter k rg Oh.
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Speaker 1: Did you notice that she can't get three sentences out
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Speaker 1: of her mouth, her lying mouth without saying I want
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Speaker 1: a big apology when Gannon has found for all the
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Speaker 1: things you guys have put me through. She's making it
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Speaker 1: about her. Yeah, right from the get go, from that
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Speaker 1: sound bite, Right from the get go, I mean she
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Speaker 1: takes two sentences and then goes immediately into asking for
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Speaker 1: an apology. And she had maintained her innocence this whole time.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she continues to say she didn't do it.
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Speaker 1: She says she's got two pieces of evidence that are
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Speaker 1: going to completely clear her name. So yeah, it's pretty
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Speaker 1: clear from the beginning from that SoundBite that she starts
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Speaker 1: to make the attention to her for sure. Well, you're right,
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Speaker 1: Sydney Stale hasn't gone to a trial yet. We'll see
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Speaker 1: what a jury has to say. She's innocent until proven
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Speaker 1: guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. To Lee Egan, when you
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Speaker 1: spoke with her at length, I might add, was it
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Speaker 1: all about her? It absolutely was all about her every bit.
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Speaker 1: I mean she would talk about Gannon and talk about
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Speaker 1: her ex husband, but it was all in a way
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Speaker 1: that brought back sympathy to her that she's been wronged.
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Speaker 1: The police are not treating her writing jail. They've got
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Speaker 1: the story wrong. Nothing happened on the twenty or Gannon
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Speaker 1: was gone by the twenty seventh that the police are
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Speaker 1: wrong and just on and on and on all about her.
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Speaker 1: Yet absolutely, if she's innocent, then why does she hell
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Speaker 1: bent on finding the person that killed Gannon? Crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace all about her murder mom loving the
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Speaker 1: attention on her. When Gannon goes missing missing, listen to KKTV,
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Speaker 1: CBS eleven Our cut ten. These are just internet detectives
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Speaker 1: who think they know what they're doing. Well, here's the
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Speaker 1: thing that kind of saddens me. It's like, if you're
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about someone like that and have a witch
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Speaker 1: hunt out for them, why would you even care about
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Speaker 1: doing those things? Because this is a child. You're telling
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Speaker 1: me that you're just as mean, You're just as hateful
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Speaker 1: to talk about someone else like that. That's how I
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Speaker 1: feel like we just should not. We should all come
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Speaker 1: together and wait until the end and see what happens,
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Speaker 1: because Gain's going to come home. Yeah, any message for Gainning,
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Speaker 1: the message for Gannon I have is Gannon, when you
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Speaker 1: get here, you'll be able to truly tell what happened.
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Speaker 1: And then I really hope I get a sincere apology
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Speaker 1: from everyone who has made all those things, especially from
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Speaker 1: my husband. Yeah, he's coming home. Letitia starts was telling
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Speaker 1: the truth about that, at least that one thing in
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Speaker 1: a box. He's coming home. Then the evidence begins to amass.
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Speaker 1: What happened to eleven year old Gannon? What did he
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Speaker 1: endure before his death? Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: twenty six. A neighbor Roderick Drayton, talks about his security
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Speaker 1: footage ways. My wife and I walked over the story.
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Speaker 1: It was a bunch of people outside and I wanted
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Speaker 1: to check out a camel because you know, we could
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Speaker 1: see it on goes. We were thinking somebody to think
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Speaker 1: him up. So you know that we could see in
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Speaker 1: a car came back. Where I live is when you
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Speaker 1: dive into the complex, you need to go left for right?
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Speaker 1: Are you running right into my house? So I can
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Speaker 1: think any credits come in? So I was like, hey,
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Speaker 1: you can watch my videos. Did you know any any
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Speaker 1: cards or whatever? No? No, no, you didn't come your way.
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Speaker 1: But I didn't think he thinks, okay, well maybe it
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Speaker 1: with other ways and maybe somebody's camera card it. When
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Speaker 1: I started looking back there was something of the nation.
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Speaker 1: Well you know what. It doesn't take a lawyer with
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Speaker 1: a JD to figure out something isn't right. You know,
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Speaker 1: Del Carson, you've got such a great reputation as a
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Speaker 1: veteran trial lawyer. I hate to pick on you so much,
21:38
Speaker 1: but you chose to be a defense attorney, all right,
21:40
Speaker 1: so this is on you. So how did What do
21:44
Speaker 1: you do in front of a jury when a guy
21:46
Speaker 1: comes to your client, Let's just say, Letitia stars and says, hey,
21:49
Speaker 1: I've got security surveillance of your place. We can see
21:53
Speaker 1: where again and went, and she goes pass. What how
21:59
Speaker 1: do you explain ain't that to injury? Well, you can
22:02
Speaker 1: only explain, Nancy that the quality of the video is
22:05
Speaker 1: extremely poor. And then you've got to dive into these again.
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Speaker 1: See it Dale, She didn't even want to look at it.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be difficult. But again you got to shift
22:16
Speaker 1: the attention to the jury panel away from those sortid facts,
22:20
Speaker 1: that of adversity, of impact your clients. Well, you know what,
22:24
Speaker 1: You're right about that, and I don't want you to
22:26
Speaker 1: give well, actually I do. I want you to give
22:28
Speaker 1: me your trade secrets and you can pray your future
22:31
Speaker 1: gerrs are not listening, but you're right, Focus off this
22:34
Speaker 1: and focus on that. Don't look here, look here, I
22:38
Speaker 1: guess you could argue she was in such grief and
22:41
Speaker 1: so involved in the search for Gannon, she didn't feel
22:45
Speaker 1: like looking at video, or she was exhausted, or she
22:48
Speaker 1: was on sedatives to calm down, or she didn't like
22:51
Speaker 1: the neighbor and didn't believe him. I mean, there's a
22:52
Speaker 1: million things you're going to argue in that situation. You
22:55
Speaker 1: really have your pick. But let's move forward. What is
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Speaker 1: on that surveillance video? Take a listen to the neighbor
23:04
Speaker 1: speaking to crime online dot Com My camera record twenty
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Speaker 1: four seven. It never got reported. It's not like event's
23:12
Speaker 1: not like tonight, wal tine and takes up a just
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Speaker 1: constant records. Like I said, I can I can watch
23:16
Speaker 1: on my television, but I can put it on my tablet.
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Speaker 1: I can zoom in, zoom out, slow motion all that.
23:21
Speaker 1: So I you know, you think be the one guy
23:24
Speaker 1: a truck y not and plus to have found a
23:27
Speaker 1: lot of people with a lot of people doesn't know
23:29
Speaker 1: that they have found here alone. She got a truck,
23:32
Speaker 1: she said, the long man, and intended to do it
23:36
Speaker 1: that so nobody got out of truck to her. So
23:40
Speaker 1: she takes Gannon away and she comes back she gets
23:44
Speaker 1: out of the car, but no Gannon to Lee Egan
23:49
Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com Investigate a reporter, how did she
23:52
Speaker 1: explain to you where she went that day and why
23:55
Speaker 1: Gannon didn't get out of the car. She said, Gannon
23:58
Speaker 1: did get out of the car. She said that she
24:01
Speaker 1: had been driving around with him. He didn't go to
24:03
Speaker 1: school that day for whatever reason. She said he had
24:06
Speaker 1: a tummy ache and he didn't want to be embarrassed
24:08
Speaker 1: in front of his friends. Well, he translations, she killed
24:10
Speaker 1: him before school. Go ahead, Yeah, she kept well Okay,
24:14
Speaker 1: in her words, she kept him home and took care
24:17
Speaker 1: of him all day. But taking care of him involved
24:20
Speaker 1: getting him out in the car and driving him around.
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Speaker 1: We're hours on end in back roads in Douglas County, Colorado.
24:27
Speaker 1: Taken him to a plan against sports store, taking him
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Speaker 1: to get something to eat, and then just basically spending
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Speaker 1: time bonding with him until they got back home. Okay,
24:39
Speaker 1: let me have what late again crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: and best get a reporter just said. She says that
24:45
Speaker 1: when she spoke to evil statman, Letitia Stoutch says her, boy,
24:51
Speaker 1: I think you earlier told me that she said he
24:53
Speaker 1: had a fever. Yeah, she said that, well, it was
24:56
Speaker 1: more of a tummy egg, but like a slight flight,
24:59
Speaker 1: symptoms of fever and a cost et cetera. But Okay,
25:02
Speaker 1: the main point was a tummy ache. So she says
25:04
Speaker 1: he's got a tummy ache, slight fever. She keeps him
25:07
Speaker 1: from school and then drives him around outside on all
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Speaker 1: threw back roads, claiming, I believe it was looking for
25:15
Speaker 1: a bike to give the dad for a birthday or something.
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Speaker 1: Was that what they were looking for? According to her
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Speaker 1: correct Yes, he was out of town and she was
25:23
Speaker 1: got again to help find him a bike. You know
25:25
Speaker 1: what I think, Chris Buyers, of Chris Buyer's investigations and polygraphs,
25:30
Speaker 1: that she's trying to explain away GPS evidence. It's going
25:33
Speaker 1: to be found on her car or her phone. Why
25:37
Speaker 1: she's driving through all these remote areas to dump a body,
25:40
Speaker 1: That's why. But she's got to find a way to
25:43
Speaker 1: explain it absolutely, because everywhere she goes with that phone
25:46
Speaker 1: or that car, investigators are going to track that entire
25:50
Speaker 1: day and make a polay followed everywhere she went. So
25:52
Speaker 1: I would agree with okay, and again del cars, and
25:57
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna even bother asking how do you explain
25:59
Speaker 1: away that GP yes, evidence, because I know you're going
26:01
Speaker 1: to come up with something. You're like a conjuror or
26:03
Speaker 1: a magician with the bag of tricks. And every time
26:06
Speaker 1: I thought you a hard question, you come up with
26:07
Speaker 1: an answer. Guys, Then the searchs for Gannon takes a turn.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut thirty two ABC seventies
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Speaker 1: Denver Lance Fernandez. The eleven year old's body was found
26:19
Speaker 1: near this bridge, the Highway ninety bridge over the Escambia
26:23
Speaker 1: River near Pensacola, Florida. It was a road construction worker
26:27
Speaker 1: who found the remains Tuesday. Investigators aren't releasing any details
26:31
Speaker 1: about how the boy died. They say he was killed
26:34
Speaker 1: in Colorado and then taken to Florida. I asked how
26:37
Speaker 1: finding a body can help with an investigation. Senior District
26:41
Speaker 1: Deputy District Attorney Michael Allan said there's generally evidence on
26:45
Speaker 1: a body. He wouldn't go into specifics about the case,
26:47
Speaker 1: but did say Gannon's family is taking things very hard. Obviously,
26:52
Speaker 1: they're distraught with this information. They were still holding out
26:55
Speaker 1: hope that Gannon would come home alive. Despite the original
26:58
Speaker 1: charges that we followed in this case. They're struggling, and
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Speaker 1: they rightfully would be. Considering the circumstances of this case.
27:04
Speaker 1: It's tragic and we you know, like I said at
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Speaker 1: the beginning, our hearts go out to them. Lee again.
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Speaker 1: Crime Online tell me about the discovery of Gannon's body.
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Speaker 1: Ganna was discovered thousands of miles away from his Colorado home,
27:18
Speaker 1: and you were correct. It was under a bridge in Hate, Florida,
27:21
Speaker 1: which is right on the border of Pensacola. A road
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Speaker 1: construction worker was below doing work and he made the
27:30
Speaker 1: discovery and contacted police. If it had not been for
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Speaker 1: that road worker again in Stouts, just eleven years old,
27:40
Speaker 1: a slight little boy, his body would never have been found.
27:45
Speaker 1: While cadaver dogs, sent dogs, drones, helicopters, shoulders, soldier searches
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Speaker 1: by foot are going on for a Gannon's Stout Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. For those of you just joining us,
28:17
Speaker 1: take listen to our cut thirty eight CBS Divernese reporter
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Speaker 1: Rick Salinger describing what police are finding on Letitia's Stauch's computers.
28:29
Speaker 1: The investigation also revealed the stepmother's Internet searches. One was four.
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Speaker 1: Husband uses me to babysit his kids. The court document
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Speaker 1: claims Letitia Stouk later changed her story that Gannon had
28:43
Speaker 1: run away to that she was raped by an intruder
28:47
Speaker 1: who then kidnapped the boy. Investigators believe Letitias Stalk then
28:54
Speaker 1: took the body from the Palmer Lake area and drove
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Speaker 1: it to Florida, where she dumped it beneath the bridge.
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Speaker 1: Also listened to Fox twenty one. This is Brandon Thompson.
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Speaker 1: They say Letitia Stout lied multiple times. In fact, her
29:08
Speaker 1: story changes dramatically In the two days following, They say
29:11
Speaker 1: she tried to clean up the crime scene herself, but
29:14
Speaker 1: investigators found Gannon's blood stained on the cement below his bed.
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Speaker 1: On Monday, January twenty seventh, Latitia Stouk reported Gannon missing
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Speaker 1: at six fifty five pm. In the nine one one call,
29:24
Speaker 1: she had said he had gone to a friend's home
29:26
Speaker 1: and was supposed to be home by six pm. Two
29:28
Speaker 1: days later, she told investigators gan And was kidnapped, saying
29:31
Speaker 1: a man she allowed in her home to fix carpet
29:34
Speaker 1: had raped her and kidnapped Gannon. Those are two of
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Speaker 1: several lives investigators say Letitia Stout told them. The media
29:39
Speaker 1: and Ganon's father, al Stout. The day Gannon disappeared, Latitia
29:43
Speaker 1: Stout called Ganon sick out of school. When Gannon's nine
29:46
Speaker 1: year old sister returns home from school, she asked Latitia
29:48
Speaker 1: Stouk where her brother was, and she replied he was
29:51
Speaker 1: asleep in her bed and to go play outside. According
29:54
Speaker 1: to the documents, police believe Gannon was already dead. About
29:57
Speaker 1: an hour later, Letitia sends a text to her seventeen
29:59
Speaker 1: year old daughter, who was at work all day. Quote
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Speaker 1: carpet powder, two things, baking soda, trashbags. Investigators believe quote
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Speaker 1: these items were likely to clean up the murder scene.
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Speaker 1: Two doctor at Michelle do pretty special guests joining US
30:12
Speaker 1: forensic pathologists, former medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation Field
30:17
Speaker 1: Guide and Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide. I've got so
30:21
Speaker 1: many questions, But did you hear the portion of that
30:25
Speaker 1: report where at the crime scene blood was found on
30:30
Speaker 1: the cement beneath Gannon Stouch's bed. What does that tell you?
30:37
Speaker 1: I did hear that, Nancy, and that's very disturbing. I
30:41
Speaker 1: don't know how much blood was there, but any amount
30:44
Speaker 1: of blood is going to indicate some type of trauma.
30:46
Speaker 1: And given the circumstances, the totality of the circumstances, this
30:50
Speaker 1: does not bode well. Police search the home three hours
30:54
Speaker 1: after that initial nine woe one call, and at first
30:57
Speaker 1: they don't find anything suspicious that's unusual, but in five
31:01
Speaker 1: subsequent searches they find gannons of blood in the garage,
31:06
Speaker 1: the trunk of Stepmammy's car in the basement bedroom, so
31:11
Speaker 1: much blood that it went through the mattress, leaked through
31:15
Speaker 1: the carpet under the mattress. Studying the cement below his bed.
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Speaker 1: Tracking Stouch's car, they find she drove to Highway one
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Speaker 1: oh five the day after reporting him missing, staying thirty minutes.
31:30
Speaker 1: Three days later, she goes in a different car where
31:34
Speaker 1: police had placed a tracking device, went to the same area.
31:38
Speaker 1: Police find gannons of blood on a piece of wood
31:42
Speaker 1: in the area where her car went, but not the body.
31:46
Speaker 1: They believe she dumped his body at night, went back
31:50
Speaker 1: to make sure the evidence wasn't viewable from the road,
31:53
Speaker 1: then went back and texting investigators what do you want
31:59
Speaker 1: from me? You know what? It's really hard to fight
32:05
Speaker 1: blood evidence. But Dale Carson, criminal defense attorney extraordinaria joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Jacksonville one thing I'm sure that's going
32:13
Speaker 1: to be argued by the defense is, hey, why don't
32:16
Speaker 1: you see this the first time you went there, the
32:18
Speaker 1: first time he searched the home, you found nothing. Now
32:21
Speaker 1: you want to tell me there's all this blood evidence.
32:23
Speaker 1: That's the chain of custody issue that you've tapped on,
32:25
Speaker 1: and that's exact. Good right, And there's more. The search
32:28
Speaker 1: warrant and arrest warrants are probably invalid because the attestament
32:33
Speaker 1: is from a police officer and not the FBI agent
32:36
Speaker 1: who was directly involved in information. Good luck on that one. No,
32:41
Speaker 1: the judge a magistrate is not gonna pick and choose
32:44
Speaker 1: between the FBI agent and a cop in a case
32:47
Speaker 1: like this, where they are exigent circumstances. The child hasn't
32:51
Speaker 1: been found. I mean, you know, long story short, I
32:55
Speaker 1: don't think there's going to be a difference between who
32:57
Speaker 1: swears to the truth in front of the judge to
32:59
Speaker 1: get this search warrant. But I do see an argument
33:04
Speaker 1: arising about why the evidence wasn't found the first time. Well,
33:08
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. This is why. I mean, let's
33:11
Speaker 1: talk about it, doctor Michelle Dupree. When the cops go
33:13
Speaker 1: in the first time they look around with the naked eye,
33:16
Speaker 1: they look in every room and they can't find the boy.
33:18
Speaker 1: They see the bed, it's probably made up with a
33:21
Speaker 1: fresh bed sheet over it, a cover. They see nothing.
33:25
Speaker 1: They may even look under the bed and see nothing.
33:29
Speaker 1: But when they go back forensically and pull back the
33:32
Speaker 1: bed covers, they find blood on the mattress, then on
33:36
Speaker 1: the carpet. Have to move the bed to find it
33:38
Speaker 1: on the carpet, yank up the carpet to find it
33:41
Speaker 1: on the cement beneath, and as far as blood spatter
33:45
Speaker 1: in the garage or elsewhere that can be invisible to
33:49
Speaker 1: the naked eye, you got to go in there with
33:50
Speaker 1: Liwin All to find that. That's why they didn't see it.
33:53
Speaker 1: Trans right, Nancy jump In, That's right. You know, when
33:57
Speaker 1: we got through a crime scene, we walked through it
33:59
Speaker 1: the first time, and we're not looking for evidence specifically,
34:01
Speaker 1: we're walking through it to get an idea of what
34:03
Speaker 1: happened at the crime scene. And so that's not unusual
34:06
Speaker 1: that they don't find it. But you're absolutely right. When
34:09
Speaker 1: they come back with a forensic team, a CSI team
34:11
Speaker 1: as we call it, then they're going to scour every
34:14
Speaker 1: inch of that place and may not be visible. As
34:18
Speaker 1: you said, you may need some special chemicals in order
34:21
Speaker 1: to find it. You know that, Let me go to Sydney,
34:23
Speaker 1: still joining US news reporter Kardo News Channel thirteen, Sydney.
34:28
Speaker 1: According to police documents, evil stepmom Letitia Stouch conduct to
34:35
Speaker 1: computer searches all about how to get rid of evidence
34:41
Speaker 1: when your husband uses you to babysit and so forth
34:44
Speaker 1: and so on. Is it true she texted her teen
34:48
Speaker 1: daughter to bring back cleaning supplies to the home. Yeah,
34:52
Speaker 1: she did text her daughter asking for that, which created
34:57
Speaker 1: a whole mass of online rumors after that. But yeah,
35:01
Speaker 1: she did ask for that. She searched all kinds of things.
35:04
Speaker 1: She said, I wonder if my husband's ex wife is
35:06
Speaker 1: sending me a card because they raised her kids. She searched,
35:11
Speaker 1: my husband's ex wife does nothing for her kids. I mean,
35:13
Speaker 1: her search history was incredibly long that day, and it
35:16
Speaker 1: was a bunch of things about feeling very unappreciated for
35:20
Speaker 1: raising somebody else's kids essentially, You know what, Sydney, that
35:25
Speaker 1: just hurts me to hear that. For Gannon's sake, Sydney,
35:28
Speaker 1: there's another daughter, a younger daughter, the one that came
35:33
Speaker 1: home from school and she told her to go outside
35:35
Speaker 1: and play that Ganna was asleep, when we all know
35:38
Speaker 1: now Ganna was dead, you know, doctor Jerry Crossen, police
35:42
Speaker 1: psychologist and author. They have another younger daughter, or they
35:48
Speaker 1: have an older daughter that is Letitia's tausch is by
35:51
Speaker 1: a daughter. Why is it that abusers pick out one
35:56
Speaker 1: child very often and that's the one they would be
35:58
Speaker 1: used and end up artering Why that child? Well, there
36:02
Speaker 1: can be numerous reasons. There can be like a bad relationship,
36:06
Speaker 1: that can be something that might just trigger memories of
36:10
Speaker 1: a past bad individual in her life. They may have
36:14
Speaker 1: mannerisms that they don't like, but over time those can
36:18
Speaker 1: manifest into real violent and aggressive behavior towards that individual.
36:24
Speaker 1: To Chris Buyers with Chris Buyer's investigation as a polygraph
36:27
Speaker 1: dot com former law enforcement Chris, I know it has
36:31
Speaker 1: to hurt a cop when they go into a saying,
36:34
Speaker 1: they search, they're looking for the child, they're not looking
36:36
Speaker 1: for evidence of a murder. And then later, upon closer inspection,
36:40
Speaker 1: you find the blood and then you're attacked because you
36:43
Speaker 1: didn't find it the first time. That's got to hurt.
36:46
Speaker 1: They're doing your best, Yeah, absolutely, And it's like we
36:49
Speaker 1: talked about earlier. That's one of the real important reasons
36:53
Speaker 1: to when you go into any type of investigation early on,
36:56
Speaker 1: you go in with an open mind. You don't get
36:59
Speaker 1: tunnel vision and it's this or that and already start
37:02
Speaker 1: labeling it because they can keep you from seeing some
37:04
Speaker 1: things that are there in playing sight. But yeah, you've
37:07
Speaker 1: got cops that are going in there and all they
37:08
Speaker 1: want to do on their mind is there's a missing,
37:11
Speaker 1: a living year old boy. He's critical, he needs he
37:14
Speaker 1: needs medication, and that's all they're doing is looking for
37:16
Speaker 1: clues to find him at that point because all yeah, Chris,
37:19
Speaker 1: I don't really blame them. Lee Agan has the Crime
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Speaker 1: Online has conducted many interviews with Letitia Starch fifty nine.
37:28
Speaker 1: Believe it or not, it's still all about her. So
37:31
Speaker 1: it's just help sitting because you can't like, like I
37:35
Speaker 1: wish you could just be like, okay, listen, I know
37:39
Speaker 1: you know I was PTSD whatever you want to call it.
37:42
Speaker 1: Nothing against the soldiers or I'm not trying to knock
37:45
Speaker 1: anybody's getting war or things like that. But you know,
37:48
Speaker 1: people handle you know, situations differently. You know, you've seen
37:52
Speaker 1: a time to sit in here and like actually like
37:54
Speaker 1: breeze and and and be able to like process it
37:57
Speaker 1: because I hadn't even wanted emotions of all of it. Yet,
37:59
Speaker 1: you know, she hasn't had time to grave. Well, according
38:03
Speaker 1: to prosecutors, yeah, really, she's the one that killed the child.
38:08
Speaker 1: Lee Agan, I hear you in the background going mmmmmmm.
38:11
Speaker 1: I don't know how you did that with a straight face.
38:13
Speaker 1: Take a listen to more A letitious start speaking to
38:16
Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com from behind bars, cut fifty eight.
38:19
Speaker 1: I don't mind you seeing that my witness has already
38:22
Speaker 1: went on records, you know, when a record with my
38:24
Speaker 1: defense team. So you know that's like you said, there
38:28
Speaker 1: was like a car tag? Are they got somebody's car tag? Well,
38:33
Speaker 1: see what happened is I didn't have the car tag,
38:37
Speaker 1: but she, the witness did on her PhMe, and I
38:42
Speaker 1: had a hard time getting up with her because you know,
38:45
Speaker 1: when they took my PhMe, I didn't have a I
38:48
Speaker 1: like a lot of communication, and then I was on
38:50
Speaker 1: the East coast and YadA, YadA, YadA, and then she
38:52
Speaker 1: was afraid because how you know how crazy to see
38:55
Speaker 1: will have been. She goes on and on and on
38:58
Speaker 1: about how she has a witness that has a car
39:00
Speaker 1: tag of the real killer to Sydney. Still, what happens next?
39:08
Speaker 1: I know that she's filed a florry of motions. What's
39:11
Speaker 1: happening right now, Sydney. So at the end of February
39:15
Speaker 1: she filed a motion to represent herself at trial, and
39:19
Speaker 1: so now she a judge has granted her request. She
39:23
Speaker 1: is representing herself. She's advisory council that's helping her with
39:27
Speaker 1: the legal process a little bit, but she's not getting
39:29
Speaker 1: any help with defense strategy. And so this is actually
39:33
Speaker 1: delayed her trial by about two months. Her pre trial
39:35
Speaker 1: hearing is not supposed to start until the end of
39:36
Speaker 1: May now, and she's continuing to be in court talking
39:40
Speaker 1: to the judge about all of these obstacles that she's
39:42
Speaker 1: now facing because she is representing her Oh, you mean
39:45
Speaker 1: obstacles like how she plotted to escape from president using
39:48
Speaker 1: a broom handle to bust out the sale window and
39:51
Speaker 1: then another inmate rat it or out, Lee Egan, I
39:54
Speaker 1: guess that route, that salemate is the obstacle exactly. You know, Lee,
40:00
Speaker 1: I look forward to your next interview with her. To
40:03
Speaker 1: all of our guests, you know, this woman We've talked
40:08
Speaker 1: about all of her conflicting statements about how it's all
40:10
Speaker 1: about her, But at the heart of this case, eleven
40:13
Speaker 1: year old Gannon Stach is dead. Horrible, horrible death, his
40:19
Speaker 1: body decomposing under a bridge thousands of miles away, while
40:24
Speaker 1: Stepmommy makes up one lie after the next, which god willing,
40:28
Speaker 1: will be exposed in court. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,