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Sarah Todd on the Utah Jazz and the NBA Draft Lottery, Jazz getting No. 2, Will Jazz trade up to get Dybantsa (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: As you were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from
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  Speaker 1: the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety
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  Speaker 1: two to one.
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  Speaker 2: Haf M Puke of hour number two on a Monday
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  Speaker 2: of the Sean o'conda Show.
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  Speaker 3: Hopefully all the mothers out there had a great mother's day.
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  Speaker 1: The biggest news in the local sporting world is, of course,
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  Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz getting the number two pick in the
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  Speaker 1: upcoming NBA Draft. The draft lottery played out in a
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  Speaker 1: way that favored the Utah Jazz. No, they didn't win it,
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  Speaker 1: they've never won it, they probably never will win it.
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  Speaker 1: But it played out the way that favored the Utah
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  Speaker 1: Jazz more than than anyone basically than anyone expected. Or
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of these next what we're about forty
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  Speaker 1: days away from when the draft itself actually happens, These
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  Speaker 1: next couple of weeks here, these next several weeks here
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  Speaker 1: are going to be filled with people dissecting interviews and
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  Speaker 1: evaluating facial expressions and lip reading and all.
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  Speaker 3: This crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And that is just part of the nature of the beast,
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  Speaker 1: right finding out all the things to not like about
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  Speaker 1: Darren Peterson all the things to not like about Cambus
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  Speaker 1: or all the things.
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  Speaker 3: To not like about Aj de Bonsa.
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  Speaker 1: I saw we had an interesting question come in on Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it's worth addressing because there is no
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  Speaker 1: way to know what the camp of a player is
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  Speaker 1: actually thinking or feeling, what the parents are saying, what
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  Speaker 1: the agent is saying, what the trusted high school or
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  Speaker 1: college coach is saying. And there is an assumption, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm carrying this assumption for it. I'm perpetuating this assumption,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm complicit here. There's an assumption that Aj Debonsa
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  Speaker 1: and to some degree Cam Boozer are would be more
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  Speaker 1: loyal to Utah then Darren Peterson will be, or then
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Wilson will be or whoever.
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  Speaker 3: And the question that came in on Twitter is why
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  Speaker 3: do we feel this way? Aj Debonsa was in Utah
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  Speaker 3: for college because he was the highest paid player, or
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  Speaker 3: one of the highest paid players in all of college
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  Speaker 3: basketball at that university. He was here for a year,
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  Speaker 3: not even a whole year.
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  Speaker 1: And it's yeah, okay, he also played his high school
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  Speaker 1: ball here, and I don't think it's an assumption that
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  Speaker 1: he would be loyal the organization has to hold up
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  Speaker 1: its end of the bargain.
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  Speaker 3: Of court.
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  Speaker 1: The NBA has incentivized players now to stay with the
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  Speaker 1: team that drafts them. You can sign for more money
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  Speaker 1: in an extra year if you stay with the team
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  Speaker 1: that drafts you. That by itself is a strong incentive
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  Speaker 1: to say, all right, well that guy will stay now.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, where if it's Darren Peterson, then they draft
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  Speaker 1: that incentive in place for him as well. But I
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  Speaker 1: do think even if it's not like an express promise,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's not like, well, yeah, of course I
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  Speaker 1: love Utah and I would rather stay. I just think
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  Speaker 1: knowing what you're getting into in this place and already
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  Speaker 1: having a relationship with Utah, I mean, it's not We're
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  Speaker 1: not this like podunk, small town backwater, but it is
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  Speaker 1: a unique.
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  Speaker 3: Spot for professional athletes to live.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes they mean that in a good way, and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes it's not a fit.
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  Speaker 3: Not to lean too.
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  Speaker 1: Heavy on a very very old narrative now, but the
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  Speaker 1: nightlife is not the same. If that's important to a player,
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  Speaker 1: maybe Utah. I mean, if you can be if you
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  Speaker 1: like nightlife, and you can be in New York or
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  Speaker 1: Miami or eventually because they're going to get a franchise Vegas,
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  Speaker 1: or you're gonna be in Salt Lake City, Like those
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  Speaker 1: things matter. If you're a family man and you got
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  Speaker 1: three or four kids, you'd probably rather be in Utah
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  Speaker 1: than in a place like Miami.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe, I don't know. I think it's a valid question.
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  Speaker 1: Why do we assume somebody like aj Debonce or somebody
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  Speaker 1: like Camboos would be more likely to re sign with
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  Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz. But I think that there is a
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  Speaker 1: practical element to that assumption, or a practical element to
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  Speaker 1: being more convinced because you already have relationships here.
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  Speaker 3: It's not uprooting.
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  Speaker 1: Yourself and planting down in an NBA city where you
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  Speaker 1: have no support system, you don't know anybody, where your
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  Speaker 1: team becomes your life, et cetera. Anyway, I always appreciate
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  Speaker 1: interaction on social and on the text line. At eight
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  Speaker 1: seven seven three five three zero seven hundred, very excited
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  Speaker 1: to welcome Sarah Todd back to the show post NBA
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  Speaker 1: Draft lottery, post Mother's Day.
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  Speaker 3: Sarah Todd, how are.
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  Speaker 4: You doing great? How are you doing well?
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  Speaker 3: I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: I well, I'm a little bit miffed because all of
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  Speaker 1: my NBA Draft lottery conspiracies went up in smoke when
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  Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz got picked number two. But I still
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  Speaker 1: am going to focus on the fact that the Jazz
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  Speaker 1: got picked number two in a deep draft where we
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  Speaker 1: think they can get a star player. But just take
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  Speaker 1: me inside the room and your thoughts when number two
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  Speaker 1: comes down with the Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was, you know, it's weird. I think there
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  Speaker 4: hasn't been like a ton of emotion that we've seen
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  Speaker 4: in the lottery drawing room since the Dione Williamson Lottery,
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  Speaker 4: and I think if anybody remembers that it's in a
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  Speaker 4: lottery room, in the drawing room itself, that was when
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  Speaker 4: Alvin Gentry got up and there was some flowery language
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  Speaker 4: and he jumped up and yelled and very excited when
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  Speaker 4: No Orleans was announced as getting the number one pick.
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  Speaker 4: But since then it's been kind of very quiet, stoic
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  Speaker 4: reactions when people learn the fate of the top picks
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  Speaker 4: in the drawing room. And so when the number one
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  Speaker 4: pick was announced in the drawing room and it was Washington,
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  Speaker 4: again incredibly stoic from Washington's president Michael Winger. And then
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  Speaker 4: the number two was announced as Utah and finally a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of emotion because Austin Aine, she kind of
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  Speaker 4: gave a classic Tiger Woods like fifth bump, fifth pump,
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  Speaker 4: and he kind of just said yes, and you could
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  Speaker 4: hell that he was just absolutely overjoyed, and it was
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  Speaker 4: it was really really nice to be in the drawing
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  Speaker 4: room and see somebody just display any type of emotion.
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  Speaker 4: That's how it's supposed to be, right, Like, I still
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  Speaker 4: can't believe, like looking back on it, that there wasn't,
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  Speaker 4: you know, hooping and hollering and jumping around when san
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  Speaker 4: Antonio got Whimby or when Dallas got number one. Knew
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  Speaker 4: day beating Cooper, and so it's nice to see some excitement.
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  Speaker 4: And then I wrote last night, you know a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people don't know that the number combination for the
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  Speaker 4: number two pick came up. It was Utah's number combination.
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  Speaker 4: They get announced that they get the number two pick,
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  Speaker 4: and then the next number combination that was drawn from
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  Speaker 4: the lottery machine was Utah again, and so it was
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  Speaker 4: like the basketball gods just punctuating the situation and being like, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they do deserve a good one right now. And so
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  Speaker 4: obviously that number combination, the second one that was picked,
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  Speaker 4: that's discarded, and then they pick again and it goes
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  Speaker 4: pick goes to Memphis. But it was funny because Austin
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  Speaker 4: told me, yeah, I'll take number two and three. That's fine,
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  Speaker 4: we can have them both.
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  Speaker 1: I propose a rule that if your number combination comes
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  Speaker 1: up at two and three, you put those together and
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  Speaker 1: it gets you one instead. But let's push that through
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  Speaker 1: for the NBA. All right, Okay, So now.
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  Speaker 3: Let's set this up with this really nifty soap.
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  Speaker 1: Opera for the next five or six weeks, where there's
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  Speaker 1: a decision making process for the Washington Wizards for the
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  Speaker 1: Utah Jazz, And part of that decision making process, of course,
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  Speaker 1: is going to be who is the consensus number one
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  Speaker 1: for Washington and are they willing to part ways with
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  Speaker 1: that pick as some reports are suggesting right now for
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  Speaker 1: the right price. And then if that's the case, the
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  Speaker 1: Utah Jazz would have to decide if it's worth paying
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  Speaker 1: that price.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what I started the show with today.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, this gets a lot more convoluted because there is
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  Speaker 1: a backstory and a relationship between aj Debonce, who's one
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  Speaker 1: of the top two players in this draft, and the
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  Speaker 1: Utah Jazz or at least their ownership through the BYU situation.
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  Speaker 1: So tell me how you think this soap opera unfold
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  Speaker 1: or at least a process that you think the Utah
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  Speaker 1: Jazz have to go through before we get.
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  Speaker 3: A solution on.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think the first thing that people
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  Speaker 4: need to realize is, you know, Michael Winger Austin, And
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  Speaker 4: when they say things like yeah, we're going to be
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  Speaker 4: willing to listen to offers for the pick, they can't
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  Speaker 4: say anything else, right if a reporter asked them like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: would you be you know, willing to trade down or
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  Speaker 4: listen to offers if someone came to you, They're not
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  Speaker 4: going to say, Like, it's very unlikely that they're going
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  Speaker 4: to say, no, don't call us, We don't want to
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  Speaker 4: hear what you have to offer. That. That's just not
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  Speaker 4: how the NBA world works. Of course, they're going to listen.
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  Speaker 4: They want to hear if anybody's going to make a
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  Speaker 4: Godfather offer. They want to hear what people are willing
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  Speaker 4: to give up. And that is probably going to play
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  Speaker 4: out over the next few weeks. Like you said, like,
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  Speaker 4: there's going to be a soap opera. Are the Jazz
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  Speaker 4: willing to try and move up. Would they be willing
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  Speaker 4: to package that pick and move down for two picks
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  Speaker 4: like that? There's going to be tons of things that
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  Speaker 4: are tossed around and offered. Honestly, though, the most likely
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  Speaker 4: scenario is that the Wizards take the number one pick
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  Speaker 4: and that the Jazz take the number two pick. It's
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  Speaker 4: really really hard for me to imagine a scenario where
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  Speaker 4: the Jazz feel like they are they have the number
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  Speaker 4: two pick. It's literally as good as it can get
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  Speaker 4: without being number one, and it feels like it would
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  Speaker 4: kind of be a disappointment to then say, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: we're actually going to pick number five and eight. Like
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  Speaker 4: they've been trying so hard to get into the upper echelot.
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  Speaker 3: Of the lottery.
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  Speaker 4: They've been that's all of the work over the last
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  Speaker 4: few years, been trying to get like a top three pick.
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  Speaker 4: Now they have it. So it's really hard for me
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  Speaker 4: to imagine that they would give that up now trading
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  Speaker 4: up for number one. I hear and I understand what
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  Speaker 4: everybody is saying about the relationship with aj Debanza, but
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  Speaker 4: it's not like Darren Peterson, if that's who you have
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  Speaker 4: ranked number two on your draft board, is not a
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  Speaker 4: player that is projected at this point to be bad,
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  Speaker 4: like he has future multi time All Star like both
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  Speaker 4: AJ and Darren Peterson looks like they have the potential
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  Speaker 4: to be like maybe MVP type players. So I just
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  Speaker 4: I think that this is going to play out a
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  Speaker 4: little like soap operatic, like you said that it will.
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  Speaker 4: But really what is most likely to happen is that
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  Speaker 4: the Wizards are not going to disappoint their fans. They're
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  Speaker 4: going to take number one, and the Jazz are probably
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  Speaker 4: not going to disappoint their fans going to give an
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  Speaker 4: excellent player with the number two pick.
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  Speaker 1: How big is the gap between Darren Peterson, AJ, Debonca
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  Speaker 1: and Cam Boozer, who in most evaluations seems to be
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  Speaker 1: number three.
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  Speaker 3: In this draft.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard to It's hard to, you know, try
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  Speaker 4: and crystal ball and predict the future. But I think that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the way that it looks is that you
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  Speaker 4: have to imagine what we've seen over the last few
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  Speaker 4: years kind of players of a j DE bons are
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  Speaker 4: Darren Peterson's ilk, right, like the sort of the rangy wing,
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  Speaker 4: the big wing with tons of athletic ability that a
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  Speaker 4: j DE bonsa projects to have. Like that is incredibly
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  Speaker 4: versatile in the NBA. It makes you someone that has
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  Speaker 4: a lot of upside on both sides of the floor.
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  Speaker 4: Darren Peterson being somebody that can you know, as a
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  Speaker 4: as a big lead guard, not being undersized and still
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  Speaker 4: having such a large amount of room to grow into
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  Speaker 4: the NBA again, tons of potential as a two way player.
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  Speaker 4: I think that you just see a lot more upside
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  Speaker 4: from those positions and from like those skill sets. Then
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  Speaker 4: you do more of a traditional power forward, big guy
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  Speaker 4: like Campboozer, and there's a lot of wondering, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like Cam Boozer's success in college had a lot to
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  Speaker 4: do with how much bigger and stronger he looked compared
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  Speaker 4: to the competition, and in the NBA that's not going
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  Speaker 4: to be as much of an advantage because everybody is
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  Speaker 4: bigger and stronger, and so he's going to kind of
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  Speaker 4: blend in a little bit more. So. I think that's
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  Speaker 4: where the biggest the biggest drop off is is that
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  Speaker 4: you can still see so much potential for growth and
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  Speaker 4: a little bit more of potential for kind of fading
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  Speaker 4: into the background with Cambooser.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Todd is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
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  Speaker 1: schill talking about the exciting news that the Utah Jazz
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  Speaker 1: have come away from the be A Draft lottery with
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  Speaker 1: the number two overall pick. I'm going to be asking
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  Speaker 1: every basketball person this, should you consider the likelihood of
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  Speaker 1: a player re signing with your organization when you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about drafting up here in this top three area, or
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  Speaker 1: should you just get what you can while you can
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  Speaker 1: from a player in the draft.
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  Speaker 4: I think that when you're picking in the top three
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  Speaker 4: of the draft, the one thing that you should be
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  Speaker 4: thinking about is that you're taking the most talented player
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  Speaker 4: available on the board. When you're picking, I don't think
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  Speaker 4: that you should really be thinking anything outside of that.
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  Speaker 4: One of the things that Austin Age mentioned to me
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  Speaker 4: last night in the drawing room is he's like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: as they say, need is a bad evaluator, right, Like,
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  Speaker 4: if you've got a top pick and you've got in
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  Speaker 4: these incredibly talented potential like future MVP caliber rook is
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  Speaker 4: what it seems like on the table. You should not
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  Speaker 4: be thinking like, well, what does our team need and
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  Speaker 4: then pass over that kind of talent. What you should
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  Speaker 4: be thinking about is we are going to take the
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  Speaker 4: most talented player available and then we will figure out
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  Speaker 4: everything else after that. And so I don't think that
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  Speaker 4: teams should be thinking about, like, well, what do we
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  Speaker 4: think that this eighteen or nineteen year old kid is
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  Speaker 4: going to think at the end of his you know,
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  Speaker 4: the end of the rookie scale contract when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to extension time, Like, do we think that he might
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  Speaker 4: be the kind of person once he gets into his
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  Speaker 4: twenties that he'll decide on something different. What an incredibly
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  Speaker 4: horrible way to try to figure out someone's mind. I mean, like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want I don't even want to delve into
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  Speaker 4: getting into like the psyche of a teenager or an
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  Speaker 4: early twenties year old because I know what I was
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  Speaker 4: like at that age, and so just take the best
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  Speaker 4: player available and hope that you can create a winning
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  Speaker 4: culture success to the point that they want to stay that.
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  Speaker 4: I think that that is the most important thing.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with everything you've said so far. The most
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  Speaker 1: likely outcome here is that the Wizard's drafted one and
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  Speaker 1: the Jazz drafted two. It seems like the most likely
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  Speaker 1: scenario there if that plays out, is that Devonsa goes one,
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  Speaker 1: Darren Peterson comes to the Jazz number two. But bear
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  Speaker 1: with me here, how likely is it that there is
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  Speaker 1: some sort of you know, irrational ingredient to this process
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  Speaker 1: where your owner and I don't want to put words
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  Speaker 1: into Ryan Smith's mouth and I don't want to put
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  Speaker 1: thoughts into his head and make assumptions.
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  Speaker 3: But like.
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  Speaker 1: Where he says, no, I my vision was to get
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  Speaker 1: aj debounce it to my team, and we have a
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  Speaker 1: possibility of doing that, so go do that. It seems
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  Speaker 1: like this team, this franchise, has tried to do things
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  Speaker 1: in a reasonable irrational way, even the painful part of
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  Speaker 1: it in the tanking and things like that. How likely
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  Speaker 1: is it that there is some irrational level that comes
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  Speaker 1: in and says no, no, No, that's the guy I want.
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  Speaker 1: I already know him, I already like him, Go get it.
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  Speaker 3: Is it a possibility here?
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  Speaker 4: I think there's Listen, Yes, anything is possible, right, But
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  Speaker 4: I think that it's more likely, Like if you were
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  Speaker 4: trying to if you asked me, what are the teams
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  Speaker 4: in the NBA where you think they could really mess
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  Speaker 4: this up and kind of do something stupid on Draft night?
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  Speaker 4: The Jazz are not one of the teams that I
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  Speaker 4: would list right up the top of my head, the
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  Speaker 4: Wizards might be The Wizards might be one of the
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  Speaker 4: teams that I think I don't really trust a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the decision making lately or the King. If they
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  Speaker 4: had the number one pick, I'd be like, yeah, they're
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  Speaker 4: probably gonna mess this one up. But I don't see
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  Speaker 4: the Jazz as kind of just digging in and trying
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  Speaker 4: to get the guy that was at BYU just because
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  Speaker 4: he was at BYU. I just like don't think that
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  Speaker 4: that is the kind of path that they're going to
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  Speaker 4: go down. I think that Ajavonso was really really great
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  Speaker 4: for the state of Utah, was really great for BYU,
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  Speaker 4: and that is going to continue to be a good
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  Speaker 4: story and successful for the state even if he ends
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  Speaker 4: up at the Wizards. And would it be kind of
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  Speaker 4: like hometown hero stuff a little bit if he went
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  Speaker 4: to the Jazz, Sure, But I think that you know,
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  Speaker 4: if Darren Peterson comes to the Jazz, he'd become a hero,
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  Speaker 4: right Like. I just think that there's there's so much
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  Speaker 4: good possibility with having the number two pick, specifically in
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  Speaker 4: this draft, that you don't really have to dig your
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  Speaker 4: heels in and try to get the guy that's you know,
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  Speaker 4: been a couple of years here.
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  Speaker 1: I sit your rational thinking, But it also is less
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  Speaker 1: interesting than being like, oh, just swing for the fences,
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  Speaker 1: just because.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, like, here's my question, right, like, do we
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: really do we think that, let's let's take Ryan Smith
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: out of the equation, right Like, do we think that
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: a Jada Bonsa loves Utah so much that he wants
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: to be like to have a team like try and
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: pull all of the levers and make everything happen so
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: that he can stay in Utah forever? Like, do we
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: think that that's the part of the equation. Really?
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: But I mean, the NBA has incentivized players to stay
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: with the place to draft them, have they not with
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: you know, an extra year max contracts et cetera.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's definitely incentivization to stay where you're drafted. But
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: I just don't think that there's the this ultra pool
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: that says like, well, because aj was at Prep and
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: then at BYU for one year, that that means that
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: he can be like the savior of the state and
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: that it's this massive, huge win if the Jazz get him.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I just I think that that might be overblown, just
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: a little bit, And like I think aj Debonza wants
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: to go number one and wants to be in the NBA,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: I don't really think that he probably cares too much
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: where that is.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: That's right, Number one is probably more important than where
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: number one goes. I will agree with you.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: On that one.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: How real is the concern about Darren Peterson's cramping issues
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and unexplained injury situations at Kansas? You know, even Bill
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: self's messaging on it changed pretty.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Drastically throughout the year.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: There were sometimes where he who's seen it all in
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: college basketball, was like clearly incredibly frustrated with the situation, certainly,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: but even if you read.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Between the lines, maybe a little bit with the player.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: And then as the season progressed, he definitely was a
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: lot more favorable towards towards Darren and his evaluation of
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Darren and all that stuff. But every once in a while,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: where there's a little smoke, there's a fire too. So
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: how real a concern is all that stuff for the
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz?
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's concern. I've been talking to people around the
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: league about this for months, right like when it started
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: to become an issue at Kansas. That's when I start
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: asking people about it, and right from the very beginning,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: most NBA people would tell me like, yeah, it's it's
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: a concern, but we want to get like, we want
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: to see the medical information. We want to get him
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: in front of NBA doctors. And as much as people
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: respect and believe and know that even D one athletes
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: at some of the best schools have absolutely like top
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: tier medical treatment available to them, that is true, but
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: there is still a world of difference between what D
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: one athletes and NBA athletes are given when it comes
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: to medical care, treatment and just what's available to them.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: And so a lot of people with in the ABA
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: are like, yeah, let's just let's hold off, let's not
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: get too worried about this until we actually like see
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: from the NBA's perspective what's going on. So that's one
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: component of it, the frustration and stuff like it's I
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: can I can imagine a situation where, especially as you know,
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: Bill self and the entire Kansas organization is trying to
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: kind of keep a lid on this and not let
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: it out because you know, Darren and Darren's family probably
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: don't want to let out the information of what's going
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: on right, Like if the cramping situation truly is all
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: that was happening, and it is true that it was
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: because of this creatine levels and that being a problem,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: like that actually being the reason for the cramping and
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: it being mysterious up until recently. If that is all true,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: I can really really understand a situation where he is
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: having these cramps and going to these really scary episodes,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: including like being taken out an ambulance and feeling like
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: that he was going to die and not knowing what's
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: going on in his body, his family being scared about that,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Bill self being scared about that, and then like intermittently
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: like it coming on suddenly and then going away and
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: not knowing what's causing it, And then I'm sure certain
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: that if that's the situation, there's also like doubt that
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: creeps in, like is this real? Like how can I
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: expect to know, like when this player is going to
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: be available as a coach, Like I don't know what's
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: going on? Frustration, fear, all of that plays into a
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: situation like this, and I can understand all of those emotions,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: and I can understand Bill self being scared and being
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: frustrated and having doubts about everything and wondering if it
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: has anything to do about the character of the player.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: And so for this story to come out this week,
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: it does feel like pretty timely, you know, right before
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: the lottery, a few weeks before the draft. But it
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: doesn't make me think that it's not true. It doesn't
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: make me think that any of the frustrations or fears
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: of any of the people involved aren't as real as
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: they absolutely should be. And so like I can understand,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: and I can imagine a world where all of this
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: is actually true and that everything is probably fine. But
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: the important piece to cap all of that is INBA
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: teams are looking forward to kind of like digging through
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: the medical stuff and getting into a room and interviewing
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Darren without his family around, without his coaches around, without
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: any cameras involved, and just talking to him and seeing
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: what's what and kind of getting the lay of the land.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I look forward to whatever information we can get out
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: of that too, because.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: I'm unkind about this when we talk about elite, high
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: level athletes, and he is a professional athlete, Like the
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: University of Kansas basketball program is a professional team.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: If you're having these problems and you can't explain what
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: they are. The first thing that people are gonna look
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: at is your diet and your supplementation. That is the
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: first thing that's going to be evaluated, like, hey, are
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: you taking something new?
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Did you change your brands? For that to come out.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Months later and just be like, oh, yeah, I was
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: this createam when, by the way, creating doesn't cause cramping. Now,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I fully allow for the fact that there's an allergy,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: or for the fact that there's a contamination, or the
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: fact that a player, like a certain body reacts differently
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: than everyone else's body does.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Like that, that's real, that happens. But I just I
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: have a hard time.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: With that explanation being the one that we are supposed
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: to take at face value without further explanation.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: And if that is indeed what.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Was happening, then Darren Peterson needs to sue Kansas because
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: they were giving him the dang creatine.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know. That one's hard for me to swallow.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: As someone who is very much in the athletics world
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and was very very skeptical and careful about putting anything
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: into my body that could lead to a positive drug
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: test or lead to a negative outcome.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I just have a hard time.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Believing that it took that long to figure out that
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: it was a supplement you can get on the shelf
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: at Walmart, you know what I mean?
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I hear what you're saying it Also,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Like I mean, if there's an eighteen year old kid
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: who's just like you know, you know, got like the
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: powder in his you know, dorm and he's going back
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: after workouts and just like making a shake, you know,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: and doing that in his room, and just like that's
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: what everybody else is doing and it's not something that
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: he's actually getting like at the facility. If it's like
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: we're talking about something and you just said it, right,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: like we all know that you can just go down
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: to any store and get this stuff. And like I
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: am not a doctor, I don't I don't know what
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: it means when you have like naturally occurring high levels
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: to create in your body already, And like that's actually
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: something that I'd really like to know more about, right,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Like what does it mean when somebody has that naturally
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: high of occurring levels in their body? Should we be
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: thinking about that and wondering about that down the line.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: And but like I can completely I mean I've been
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: in situations where I've gone to the doctor and there's
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: been something weird going on, and trying to narrow it
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: down when you have something weird going on in your
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: body takes so long. Months. You can go in for
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: so many different blood tests, you know, like it's your
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: first Like comprehensive metabolic panel does not include looking at
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: creatine levels. And so as as doctors try and figure
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: out something that's weird that's going on your body, you
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: go through and you get you know, twelve different blood tests,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: and well, none of those come up. And so a
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: few weeks later you go in, you get four different
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: blood tests and nothing shows up on those, and a
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: couple of weeks later you go back and they run
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: a couple more tests. Like that, that is normal stuff
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: that happens when people are looking for something weird that's
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: happening in your body. And so like, I can see
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: a situation where a kid that's that young isn't saying like, oh, yeah,
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: my protein shakes that I have that I just have
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: after workouts, Like I can imagine a situation where that
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: just doesn't come up because it seems so normal and
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: just so nonchalant that it's not something that he needs
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: to bring up because it doesn't feel like it's something
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: that would cause a problem. I hear you, though, that
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: it's weird and it is shocking that it took them
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: so long to figure this out, and that it wasn't
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: resolved during the season, and that the story didn't come
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: out earlier. All of it is strange, But I am
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: allowing for a world in which it was all just
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: kind of it kind of just slips through the cracks.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: I can see that happening.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: All right before I let you go, And obviously we're
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: going to try to have you on again as we
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: approach the draft, and your answer can change when we
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: get there.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: It is the day after the draft lottery, May eleventh,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: in the Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty six. Your
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: prediction for where and who the Utah Jazz draft at
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: the end of June.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: A Jazz draft number two Darren Peterson.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: All right, I think that.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Is the most likely outcome, but of course the next
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: several weeks we will talk about all the different possibilities.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Sarah Todd, thank you for your time and your thoughts.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I very much appreciate it.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: As always, no problem talk.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: To me.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: At NBA. Sarah give her a follow. She is very
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: reasonable about all these things.