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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
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Speaker 2: Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
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Speaker 2: and Jim Garritty of National Review.
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Speaker 1: Free Martini's coming up.
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Speaker 3: So glad you're with us for the Tuesday edition of
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Speaker 3: The Three Martini Lunch. It is a big primary day
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Speaker 3: and a number of states around the country today, I
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Speaker 3: think five total. Actually Kansas, Michigan's the big one. We'll
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Speaker 3: talk about that in just a second. Missouri, Virginia, and Washington. Jim,
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Speaker 3: I have to keep reminding myself we actually have a
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Speaker 3: primary in Virginia. We'd arrive Republican primaries for a House
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Speaker 3: and Senate, and whoever wins, at least in my district
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Speaker 3: is not expected to do very well in either the
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Speaker 3: House or the Senate race. And I heard a local
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Speaker 3: news report this morning that in the first hour at
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Speaker 3: the Fairfax County Government Center, two Republicans showed up to vote.
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Speaker 3: So not expecting a huge turnout today. I don't know
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Speaker 3: if you've been out yet or not.
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Speaker 4: Well, isn't that both Republicans in Fairfax County?
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Speaker 3: So you have voted.
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Speaker 4: It's not that bad, but it's not that far away
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Speaker 4: from it. Yeah, I was kind of surprised, like we
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Speaker 4: have bore than one candidate. That's a bumper crop year.
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Speaker 4: That's a lot, you know.
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Speaker 3: Let's get to Michigan. That's the marquee matchup. There is
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Speaker 3: an open race for governor there, but all the attention,
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Speaker 3: all the oxygen is on the Senate race Gary Peters
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Speaker 3: of course retiring, and the Democratic primary is coming down
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Speaker 3: to Abdul l Sayed as well as Congresswoman Hailey Stevens.
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Speaker 3: The polls lately, it seems, are trending towards el Sayed.
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Speaker 3: According to the latest Public Sentiment Institute poll, whatever that's worth,
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Speaker 3: l Sayed leads Stevens fifty four point eight to forty
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Speaker 3: five point two. It's actually the widest margin I've seen.
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Speaker 3: So Apparently Hailey Stevens leaning into the Michigan accent, or
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Speaker 3: her version of the Michigan accent, I should say, is
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Speaker 3: not necessarily working out well. Mike Rodgers has the Republican
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Speaker 3: nomination all to himself. He almost bet Alyssa slock in
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Speaker 3: two years ago. Was in the House of Representatives for
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Speaker 3: a long time, and in some of these head to
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Speaker 3: head poles, depending on who wins the Democratic primary, it
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Speaker 3: couldn't make the difference. Right now, it looks like if
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Speaker 3: it was Rogers versus Stevens, an epic MRA poll which
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Speaker 3: is kind of a gold standard in Michigan, says forty
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Speaker 3: four percent for Stevens forty two percent for Rogers. However,
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Speaker 3: forty six percent would go for Rogers compared to forty
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Speaker 3: three percent for L. Sayed, which you know, both around
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Speaker 3: the margin of vara. It's going to be a very
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Speaker 3: competitive race. This is going to be a bellweather race
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Speaker 3: because if L. Sayed not only was the nomination, but
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Speaker 3: actually gets its way to the US Senate, he is
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Speaker 3: going to be a very high profile person. Unfortunately for
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Speaker 3: the next several years.
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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, theoretically anything can happen, but right now,
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Speaker 4: with the real caar of politics, polling average, LSIED has
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Speaker 4: a ten point lead in the primary. You know, Stevens
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Speaker 4: is just kind of roadkill. At this point, she put forth,
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Speaker 4: you know, dear Democrats, if you nominate this guy, you're
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Speaker 4: really risking losing the general election. And Michigan Democrats do
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Speaker 4: not seem interested or do not seem to care. If
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Speaker 4: they feel utterly confident about this. Rogers was caught on
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Speaker 4: tape saying that if he's up against l Sied, he
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Speaker 4: feels good about his chances. That's not shocking. But I
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Speaker 4: kind of look at that and I'm like, boy, Rogers,
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Speaker 4: look Greg again. Maybe I'm just used to people named
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Speaker 4: Rogers disappointing me thinking of Aaron with the Jets. But nonetheless,
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Speaker 4: if you think this guy is the easier to beat option,
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Speaker 4: you better go out there and beat him. And yes,
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Speaker 4: he does have a lead in the polls, but it's
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Speaker 4: not particularly large. It's kind of the within the margin
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Speaker 4: of error. And Michigan, as you know, is never an
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Speaker 4: easy state for Republicans. So Rogers, you better deliver on this.
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Speaker 4: And because I think you're right that not only it's Lsied,
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Speaker 4: he will become the new AOC, he will become you know,
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Speaker 4: there's interesting, like, you know, in a very strange way.
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Speaker 4: He may be a big beneficiary of Graham Platner's implosion,
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Speaker 4: that he became the new favorite candidate of the Democratics
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Speaker 4: Socialists of America. He says, he's not a member, but
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Speaker 4: the Democratic Socialist of America are already sending out volunteers
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Speaker 4: to help in Michigan and stuff like that. My colleague
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Speaker 4: Camden Mulder has a good piece about how for LSA
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Speaker 4: Ed it's socialist mask on when he's appealing to the left,
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Speaker 4: socialist mask off when he's talking to non hard left audiences.
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Speaker 4: So look, I think we can just look at this guy.
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Speaker 4: He is the Hassan Piker candidate. Foreshadow another point we're
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Speaker 4: going to make in today's podcast. We know what we're
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Speaker 4: getting with this guy, and you know, Michigan Democrats suppere
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Speaker 4: hell bent on nominating him. So, you know, good luck Rogers,
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Speaker 4: you better get this done. I keep hearing that the
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Speaker 4: you know, Trump camp has you know, something like three
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Speaker 4: hundred million dollars with some unbelievable amount of fundraising. It's
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Speaker 4: not quite full yet, but we are getting into August,
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Speaker 4: so I hope you're you know, three hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 4: You know, we remember people start voting in you know,
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Speaker 4: mid September in some places. Hope he starts spending it soon.
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Speaker 4: That big war chest doesn't do any good and that
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Speaker 4: money is just sitting there. I hope you're going to
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Speaker 4: do it. You know, you know, blanket the country with
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Speaker 4: ads spend a lot of money and effort in Michigan
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Speaker 4: because stakes are pretty darn high out there.
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Speaker 3: Not no question about it, And so that's the big
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Speaker 3: race tonight. We're probably going to get a governor's matchup
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Speaker 3: between Jocelyn Benson, the Secretary of State, and John James,
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Speaker 3: who's run for Senate a couple of times. He's currently
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Speaker 3: a member of the US House of Representative. So a
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Speaker 3: couple of marquee matchups in Michigan. But we'll see what
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Speaker 3: happens in all these other states as well. But if
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Speaker 3: Elsa had wins, I think that probably injects a little
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Speaker 3: more energy into Francesca Hong in Wisconsin and maybe Peggy
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Speaker 3: Flanagan in Minnesota. These are kind of the other socialist
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Speaker 3: or socialist adjacent candidates that the Democrats are lining up
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Speaker 3: behind because they think they're the best chance to move
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Speaker 3: the party left. So this could be kind of a
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Speaker 3: domino effect here in the next couple of weeks if
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Speaker 3: that happens tonight in Michigan. So I would hate to
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Speaker 3: see that in the state where I grew up, and
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Speaker 3: I know a lot of people there also who would
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Speaker 3: Now for the first time, it was way back around
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Speaker 3: Memorial Day where the Acting Secretary of the Navy, Hunk
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Speaker 3: how Suggests, did in a report that was picked up
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Speaker 3: by The Hill and other places that we had postponed
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Speaker 3: an arm sale to Taiwan because we were running a
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Speaker 3: little bit low on munitions as a result of the
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Speaker 3: Iran war at that time. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth that
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Speaker 3: was not the reason for the delay. But it's also
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Speaker 3: been reported in the last couple of weeks here and
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Speaker 3: recently Jennifer Griffin over at the Fox News Channel delivering
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Speaker 3: this news.
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Speaker 2: The Pentagon is confronting a growing reality. After months of
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Speaker 2: fighting in Iran, America's stockpile of missile defense interceptors is
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Speaker 2: shrinking so much that military planners are weighing whether they
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Speaker 2: can continue the current cycle of limited retaliatory strikes. The
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Speaker 2: Center for Strategic and International Studies, using open source budget numbers,
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Speaker 2: estimates US patriot interceptor inventories have fallen from roughly twenty
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Speaker 2: three hundred pre war to fewer than eight hundred and
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Speaker 2: twenty seven. While that interceptors have dropped from four hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty two to fewer than two hundred and seventy
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Speaker 2: eight CSIS warrens rebuilding those stockpiles could take three.
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Speaker 3: Years or more, so, Jim, Obviously the numbers have changed
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Speaker 3: since the end of May, and we've had this kind
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Speaker 3: of back and forth burst here and there when we're
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Speaker 3: not supposedly trying to make some diplomatic progress. But we
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Speaker 3: know how frustrating that part has been. So how dire
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Speaker 3: is this situation? And like Jennifer Griffin said, it takes
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Speaker 3: a while to replenish here. So what's the pace we
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Speaker 3: would need for that?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, those numbers from Griffin do sound pretty dire, and
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Speaker 4: those guys at CSIS are pretty darn smart. I completely
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Speaker 4: understand why the Pentagon doesn't want to provide a public
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Speaker 4: listing of exactly how many interceptors they have and exactly
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Speaker 4: how much they have of each munition.
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Speaker 1: But this is a really serious question.
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Speaker 4: And the message from the beginning of the war with
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Speaker 4: Iran that started on February twenty eighth, from Trump, from
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Speaker 4: Secretary Hesith, from Dan Caine has been don't worry, We're fine,
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Speaker 4: we have sufficient stockpiles. Then you see this move to
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Speaker 4: not transfer the certain weapons to Taiwan, and Hong Kow
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Speaker 4: saying yes, this is because of Iran. He said so
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Speaker 4: before Congress, and you know, Haig Seth says, oh no,
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Speaker 4: don't worry. You know he's not correct on that. Look, guys,
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Speaker 4: you know we know we're using them. We know that
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Speaker 4: takes a long time to build them. This seems like
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Speaker 4: a really legitimate concern. Now. I realize different defense experts
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Speaker 4: might have a different sense of what an appropriate level
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Speaker 4: of the stock.
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Speaker 1: Bile is, but we kind of know that. However much
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Speaker 1: you had, then if.
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Speaker 4: You fire them, as you know, Iran keeps firing new
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Speaker 4: rounds at US. And remember drones, particularly Shahete drones are
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Speaker 4: pretty darn cheap. Ballistic missiles cost a bit more. But
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Speaker 4: you know Iran clearly has some level of that and
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Speaker 4: they're still able to launch those attacks. You know, this
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Speaker 4: does seem like a really legitimate concern. And the message
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Speaker 4: we've gotten from this president has been don't worry, we're
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Speaker 4: doing fine. Well, at some point we must not be
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Speaker 4: doing fine, And the numbers from Griffin certainly make it selling. Yes,
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Speaker 4: some of these things are subjective as to what enough is,
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Speaker 4: but it's very tough to believe that we aren't getting
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Speaker 4: to the point where it has to be a point
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Speaker 4: of concern. And then at that point, how quick we
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Speaker 4: make these things? They keep announcing new contracts to generate them,
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Speaker 4: and that I believe either Raytheon or lackeyed Martin, they're
10:12
Speaker 4: people can get. Oh are the cheaper alternatives. So they're
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Speaker 4: ones that we can build faster. You know, Glenn Reynolds,
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Speaker 4: the instapon it used to say faster please, Well it
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Speaker 4: comes from restocking these stockpiles as fast as possible. And
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Speaker 4: maybe we're in a state where we cannot be as
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Speaker 4: aggressive as we would like with Iran because of the
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Speaker 4: short supply of these interceptors.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's certainly sobering news. So the fact that Iran
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Speaker 3: obviously knows that now, if assuming that report is accurate,
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Speaker 3: is not good news either, because that gives them a
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Speaker 3: little bit more leverage in these talks, as if they
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Speaker 3: were serious about the talks anyway. But one more challenge,
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Speaker 3: a difference a couple of years makes. Of course, twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty four, Republicans do well in the general election. President
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Speaker 3: Trump gets elected back into office. Republicans win the House,
12:26
Speaker 3: they win the Senate, and Democrats do their soul searching,
12:29
Speaker 3: They do their autopsy, which they ultimately didn't want to
12:32
Speaker 3: release for a long time. Finally they did. One of
12:34
Speaker 3: the initial findings was, well, they went too far on
12:37
Speaker 3: the trans issues, and that ad about Kamala Harris wanting
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Speaker 3: to provide free transgender surgeries for inmates and so forth.
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Speaker 3: You know, there for they them, Trump's for you, that
12:47
Speaker 3: kind of thing that was seen to be a major
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Speaker 3: issue in helping Trump get over the top in twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty four. Republicans as well and some Democrats acknowledged that
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Speaker 3: at the time, including Massachusetts Congressman Seth Moulton, who would
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Speaker 3: go again in November of twenty twenty four, said that,
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe we've gone too far in this issue.
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Speaker 3: His quote was, I have two little girls. I don't
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Speaker 3: want them getting run over on a playing field by
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Speaker 3: a male or a formerly male athlete. But as a Democrat,
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Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be afraid to say that. A few
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Speaker 3: days later, he was on CNN saying, look, I was
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Speaker 3: just speaking authentically as a parent about one of many
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Speaker 3: issues where Democrats are just out of touch with the
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Speaker 3: majority of Americans. And I stand by my position, even
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Speaker 3: though I may not have used exactly the right words.
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Speaker 3: And so he went on again on Veteran's Day a
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Speaker 3: few days later, says, I stand by my words because importantly,
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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to raise the debate. I'm not saying
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Speaker 3: I have all the answers on this. It's not my
13:42
Speaker 3: area of expertise. But this is an example of a
13:45
Speaker 3: contentious issue that we have to be willing to take
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Speaker 3: on as a Democratic party.
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Speaker 1: Not anymore.
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Speaker 3: Seth Molton is running for Senate against Ed Marky, and
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Speaker 3: so he's got to get as far to the left
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Speaker 3: as possible. That primary is coming up pretty soon as well.
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Speaker 3: And last night in a debate, those were words were
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Speaker 3: put back to Seth Moulton by the moderator, and let's
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Speaker 3: just say Seth Molten did not stand by those words.
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Speaker 5: Congressmon Wolton, in your last debate, you said, when you
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Speaker 5: were asked about student athletes who are transgender, to anyone
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Speaker 5: out there listening tonight, anyone in the LGBTQ community or
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Speaker 5: anyone else, I stand with you, because I've always stood
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Speaker 5: with you. But after the last presidential election, you said,
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Speaker 5: I have two little girls. I don't want them getting
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Speaker 5: run over on a playing field by a male or
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Speaker 5: formerly male athlete. Congressman Wolton, which is it to.
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Speaker 6: The trans community feeling the weight in the pain of
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Speaker 6: the Trump administration policies. I deeply recognize your trauma, and
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Speaker 6: I'm sorry if my comments hurt you.
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Speaker 3: And then he went on to say that he's voted
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Speaker 3: perfectly with the Human Rights Campaign and everything else, and
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Speaker 3: so he's totally on their side. That was just apparently
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Speaker 3: a minor blip or a minor inconvenience on his to
15:00
Speaker 3: try to defeat an eighty year old senator in this
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Speaker 3: party primary here, So, Jim, the Democrats seem like they
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Speaker 3: maybe at least some of them learned a lesson in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, But now that they have to be
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Speaker 3: on the ballot and they're the most energetic. Part of
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Speaker 3: their base is rabbit on this issue, they have to backtrack.
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Speaker 1: To summarize Multon's comments, retreat, retreat as fast as you
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Speaker 1: can about it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he said back then, as a Democrat, I'm supposed
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Speaker 4: to be afraid to say that, and he added, as
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Speaker 4: a person who's running for Senate now, I am.
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Speaker 1: I am terrified of saying that.
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Speaker 4: I am. You know, So a couple of week days
15:36
Speaker 4: ago in the morning, Joelt, I'm going to say something
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Speaker 4: I almost never say on this podcast. Greg, I read
15:43
Speaker 4: something kind of intriguing in Vox. I don't regularly read vox,
15:46
Speaker 4: and I got to say, like the headline was more
15:48
Speaker 4: interesting than the execution of it. But basically the argument,
15:52
Speaker 4: are we seeing these socialist DSA candidates, are they really
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Speaker 4: surging or are we seeing a collapse of the democratic establishment?
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Speaker 4: And I think that there's an interesting theory that actually
16:02
Speaker 4: it's the democratic establishment doesn't really know what it stands
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Speaker 4: for anymore. It's terrified of standing up to the left.
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Speaker 4: It is afraid that if it stands up to the left,
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Speaker 4: it will lose these primary fights. It will lose these debates,
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Speaker 4: they come across as squishes, as sellouts, as not really
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Speaker 4: having any strong principles, And boy, when you watch Seth Moulton,
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Speaker 4: that sure kind of does see it that way. And
16:21
Speaker 4: so this is interesting argument that Democrats lost in twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty four. And think back to you know, Kamala Harris
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Speaker 4: takes over joy did you just fall out of the
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Speaker 4: coconut tree? The vibes are happy. I was at their
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Speaker 4: Democratic convention in Chicago. They were completely like they thought
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Speaker 4: she had a great convention. They thought she won her
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Speaker 4: debate against Trump.
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Speaker 1: They thought she.
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Speaker 4: Did everything right, and then she went over seven in
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Speaker 4: those swing states. Right, So if you're a Democrat, you
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Speaker 4: are He talks about the trauma of the trans community.
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Speaker 4: Democrats themselves are kind of traumatized. They're like, how do
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Speaker 4: we possibly lose this? How do we lose this as badly?
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Speaker 4: And so Democrats begin this argument and Seth Milton is
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Speaker 4: one of those folks like Inches is towed tidy bit
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Speaker 4: in the idea that maybe we've gone too far to
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Speaker 4: the left. Bernie Sanders, who really had nothing to do
17:06
Speaker 4: with the mistakes of the Biden administration, comes out and
17:09
Speaker 4: comes of a very clear message. We lost because we're
17:11
Speaker 4: too centrist. We lost because we're not standing up against
17:14
Speaker 4: the million as. Oh wait, I'm a millionaire. Million isn't
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Speaker 4: so bad anymore. We are standing up against the billionaires
17:18
Speaker 4: and the big banks and all stuff. And he effectively
17:21
Speaker 4: sounds like I think at this point you can argue
17:22
Speaker 4: he's won the argument because all the other ones. Are
17:25
Speaker 4: we too far on trans issues? Are we too far
17:27
Speaker 4: on do we fail to scare the border? Have we
17:31
Speaker 4: not done enough on inflation and cost of living? Are
17:34
Speaker 4: blue states kind of seen as now governing failures? Who
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Speaker 4: can't deliver good services to people? Those are all difficult
17:40
Speaker 4: and painful questions for a Democrat to confront the idea that,
17:44
Speaker 4: oh maybe maybe our philosophy isn't always the best, Maybe
17:46
Speaker 4: we're not the smartest, maybe we're not actually better at
17:49
Speaker 4: this governing thing. The Bernie Sanders message, we were too centrist,
17:53
Speaker 4: that's an easy even. Oh okay, all right, we just
17:55
Speaker 4: have to fight more. We said, eh, you know, that's
17:58
Speaker 4: what I think is what's going on here, And so
17:59
Speaker 4: seth Milton. He tried that, and he's not yet. That's
18:02
Speaker 4: not the position you need to have to win a
18:04
Speaker 4: Senate primary in Massachusetts, and of course it's Massachusetts, so
18:07
Speaker 4: you're in the primary, you're basically you basically are guaranteed
18:11
Speaker 4: election unless your name is Scott Brown.
18:13
Speaker 1: And the other thing is that just kind.
18:14
Speaker 4: Of this recognition, Like you know, I don't say he's floundering,
18:18
Speaker 4: but as you pointed out Ed Markey, I remember covering
18:21
Speaker 4: him back in my state's news service days and that
18:22
Speaker 4: was Bush's first term. Right, He's been around for a
18:25
Speaker 4: long time, not as the Senate is a House member,
18:27
Speaker 4: but like you know, if you're a Massachusetts Democrat, opportunities
18:31
Speaker 4: for advancement to the US Senate are few and far between.
18:34
Speaker 4: John Kerry was the Senator forever. Ted Kennedy was a
18:36
Speaker 4: Senate senator forever. So I'm sure if you're seth Milton,
18:40
Speaker 4: you feel boxed in. You don't have a choice. You
18:42
Speaker 4: can't say to my party we need to move a
18:44
Speaker 4: little bit more closer to the center, and you fulfill
18:47
Speaker 4: your ambitions to be a US Senator as a Democrat
18:49
Speaker 4: in Massachusetts.
18:51
Speaker 3: I think that's right.
18:52
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Ed Markey was elected to the House back in the seventies.
18:54
Speaker 3: He's basically been there about fifty years, and he's still
18:56
Speaker 3: going for another term in the Senate. I never understood
18:59
Speaker 3: why he left the House. You'd have so much seniority there.
19:01
Speaker 3: But whatever, Ed Marqui has never been known for logical
19:04
Speaker 3: thought through a lot of different things. But Seth Molton
19:07
Speaker 3: is losing this race right now. It's relatively close. It's
19:09
Speaker 3: about a six point margin in the latest poll forty
19:12
Speaker 3: one thirty five. So there's still a lot of undecided
19:14
Speaker 3: Democrats out there. But groveling and pandering, I'm not sure
19:18
Speaker 3: that's the way you want to go there. His attack
19:21
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19:24
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19:28
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19:31
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19:33
Speaker 3: Secretary of State, like that was a huge issue to gotcha?
19:38
Speaker 1: Well that solves that.
19:42
Speaker 3: Unbelievable all right, Well, we'll see what happens in Massachusetts
19:45
Speaker 3: as well. That one's not today, but a lot still
19:48
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19:51
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19:54
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Speaker 3: Continuing on the same theme, Jim what is the future
21:02
Speaker 3: of the Democratic Party and who's going to be in it. Well,
21:06
Speaker 3: James Carvel's been in it for a very long time.
21:08
Speaker 3: Sometimes he makes a lot of sense. Even after the
21:10
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four election, his post morning was probably more
21:13
Speaker 3: spot on than most other times. He's crazy talking about
21:16
Speaker 3: packing the court and adding DC and Puerto Rico estates
21:20
Speaker 3: and all these other left wing ideas. But he is
21:23
Speaker 3: not a fan of Hassan Piker. So he was on
21:26
Speaker 3: Fox News recently with Jackie Heinrich and they were talking
21:30
Speaker 3: about Hassan Piker and Carvil says, well, there's not room
21:33
Speaker 3: for both of us in this party to.
21:35
Speaker 7: Talk about the larger Democratic Party post the election in
21:38
Speaker 7: Michigan going far. I am not going to be in
21:40
Speaker 7: the same party with Hassan Piker. I can tell you
21:42
Speaker 7: that right now. If he becomes a force in a
21:45
Speaker 7: Democratic Party, I'm out of here. I have no intention
21:48
Speaker 7: of ever being in the same political party with that guy.
21:51
Speaker 4: Now.
21:52
Speaker 7: I think that a majority of overwhelming majority of Democrats
21:56
Speaker 7: agree with me. But this I gea We're going to
22:00
Speaker 7: seize the means of production and this go just go
22:04
Speaker 7: look it to DSA platform. You don't have to look
22:06
Speaker 7: any further than that, and you know, Jaggie, it may
22:10
Speaker 7: be that the two party system is just going to
22:12
Speaker 7: be under tremendous stress here in the coming monch. I mean,
22:16
Speaker 7: you see it in with Tucker and Mardan, Jaylen Green
22:18
Speaker 7: and on the Republican side, you see it going on
22:21
Speaker 7: right now. And I can't sit here and tell you
22:23
Speaker 7: for certainly this is going to turn out. But the
22:25
Speaker 7: one thing I can tell you for certain for Son
22:27
Speaker 7: Piper and James Faulgill are going not going to be
22:29
Speaker 7: in the same political point.
22:30
Speaker 1: One of us is going to lead. It might even
22:32
Speaker 1: be me.
22:33
Speaker 3: That's so interesting, Jim, because in one hand, he's missing
22:35
Speaker 3: the forest with the trees, because the son Piker is influential.
22:38
Speaker 3: Whether or not these DSA candidates win a ton of primaries,
22:41
Speaker 3: well find out. But he's clearly influential. But he's also
22:44
Speaker 3: got some insight onto both parties how they're kind of
22:46
Speaker 3: fracturing on the end there.
22:47
Speaker 4: So for our younger listeners and viewers, it is hard
22:51
Speaker 4: to overstate what a superstar James Carville was back in
22:56
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety two and into nineteen ninety three. If you
22:58
Speaker 4: ever get a chance to watch a doctor Amentary called
23:00
Speaker 4: The War Room about Carvill and Stephanopoulos and the upper
23:04
Speaker 4: folks in the Bill Clinton campaign in nineteen ninety two.
23:06
Speaker 4: It's it's absolutely fascinating viewing if you're just a student
23:09
Speaker 4: of politics. I mean, they're they're Democrats are always saying
23:11
Speaker 4: stuff you can disagree with if you're right of center.
23:13
Speaker 4: But even then you could kind of understand, like Carvell
23:16
Speaker 4: understood campaigning and messaging in a way that few other
23:20
Speaker 4: people the Democratic Party did.
23:22
Speaker 1: Then I think you could even argue.
23:23
Speaker 4: Now that's the kind of a stupid you know, like
23:26
Speaker 4: like that's look, economics is all you know, how the
23:28
Speaker 4: state of the US economy is always front and center
23:31
Speaker 4: in both you know, presidential election midterm elections. At the
23:35
Speaker 4: end of that movie, he says something always kind of
23:36
Speaker 4: stuck with me, which was that, next to your love,
23:38
Speaker 4: your labor is the most important thing you can give someone.
23:41
Speaker 4: And it always kind of struck me as like, you know,
23:42
Speaker 4: who you choose to work for is an important Uh.
23:45
Speaker 4: It says a lot about who you are, says a
23:47
Speaker 4: lot about your character, says about like what you want
23:49
Speaker 4: to do in this world. I wish more Democrats listen
23:52
Speaker 4: to him, having said that he.
23:54
Speaker 1: Is what eighty now Greg about that? Yeah, all right.
23:57
Speaker 4: Also, if you want to persuade the Democratic Party, should
23:59
Speaker 4: you be making your message.
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Speaker 1: On Fox News channel?
24:02
Speaker 4: Like?
24:02
Speaker 1: Probably not that? Like are there Democrats who watch Fox?
24:05
Speaker 4: Yes, there are, and not just people who watch it
24:07
Speaker 4: out of you know, hate watching or anger watching. Having
24:10
Speaker 4: said that, I think it's safe to say that Hassan
24:12
Speaker 4: Piker much more represents the youth of the Democratic Party,
24:15
Speaker 4: which is much more sympathetic to the idea of socialism.
24:18
Speaker 4: And James Carvill is largely retired now, and I don't
24:22
Speaker 4: think that he's necessarily you know, he does represent the
24:24
Speaker 4: past generation of Democrats.
24:26
Speaker 1: So when he says, if.
24:27
Speaker 4: You keep around sticking out with how On Pike, we're
24:29
Speaker 4: not going to be in the same party anymore. I
24:32
Speaker 4: strongly suspect that, like a lot of Democrats are going
24:34
Speaker 4: to say, wait, we didn't know you were still here.
24:38
Speaker 1: So it's not the most effective threat.
24:41
Speaker 4: And his argument that the parties are splintering, you know, okay,
24:43
Speaker 4: there probably is a decent amount of that. I think
24:46
Speaker 4: that we will see what happens in November. Like a
24:49
Speaker 4: bunch of these DSA candidates they got the nominations in
24:53
Speaker 4: deep blue house districts. They're going to Congress no matter what.
24:57
Speaker 4: It's these state wide races where it's going to be
24:58
Speaker 4: a little more interesting. And I I think you could
25:00
Speaker 4: see the you know, but the implosion of Hassan of
25:03
Speaker 4: I wish.
25:04
Speaker 1: It was on biker imploded.
25:06
Speaker 4: The explosion of Graham Plattner, well, he was not formally
25:10
Speaker 4: a DSA member, he was one of their favorite candidates.
25:12
Speaker 4: It was kind of a sign, Oh, vetting matters. What
25:14
Speaker 4: do you know about the background of these candidates matters.
25:16
Speaker 4: You can't just take some guy off the street and
25:18
Speaker 4: it turns out to be some you know, raving maniac.
25:21
Speaker 1: You know Carvil, like Carvil's offered he's going to be Cassandra.
25:24
Speaker 1: He's he's this message.
25:25
Speaker 4: He's giving this message that the Democratic Party does not
25:28
Speaker 4: want to hear because it's easier to hear the Bernie
25:30
Speaker 4: Sanders message than the hey, we need to recalibrate. We've
25:33
Speaker 4: become unpopular with the electorate. As he said in that
25:36
Speaker 4: previous Martini.
25:37
Speaker 3: You know, it's amazing how much politics can change in
25:39
Speaker 3: a decade. And remember when Bernie decided to run for
25:41
Speaker 3: president in twenty fifteen and everybody's like, why you're old
25:45
Speaker 3: and nobody cares about you? And now he's like this
25:47
Speaker 3: rock star for a significant portion of the left wing
25:51
Speaker 3: of the party. So just amazing how.
25:53
Speaker 4: Much I should not scoff at, you know, Carvill's age,
25:56
Speaker 4: because Bernie Sanders is one of the few people whom
25:58
Speaker 4: Joe Biden can call old.
25:59
Speaker 3: Yes, that's true. You're never too old to have an impact,
26:02
Speaker 3: I guess in case of Bernie Sanders, it's a really
26:04
Speaker 3: really bad impact. But nonetheless, that's where we are. So Jim,
26:08
Speaker 3: we'll see what the results are in Michigan and all
26:10
Speaker 3: these other states when we reconvene tomorrow. I'll see you then.
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Speaker 1: See tomorrow's Greg Jim.
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