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Joel Garban. Joel joined us a few years ago
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to talk about his work in in bringing the Urantia book to the
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UFO community. Joe is also an avid student of
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the 5th epical Revelation. And there's been some recent
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news about the US government expecting to give some
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disclosure on what they know and what they can tell us about
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extraterrestrials and aliens from other other possible
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worlds. So we'll see.
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Don't hold your breath, but I know that Joel Garvin has a lot
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to say about this. So let's bring him into the
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Urantia Radio podcast and talk about all of this.
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And I'm very honored to have on again Joel Garvin, long time
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Urantia book reader, student, and also a bit of an expert on
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the Ufology arena and in conversations.
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Joel, it's good to have you back.
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And in your efforts to introduce the Urantia book into the UFO
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community, how is that going so far?
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And what do you make of the latest sort of revelations that
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are coming out from our government about releasing new
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information about these aliens? What do you make of all that?
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Well, hey, Jim, good to be on with you again.
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Yeah, I'm finding that there's a lot of traction being gained in
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the interest in the UFO disclosure movement, primarily
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because we're seeing it appear all over major media now.
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You know, there's all kinds of hearings that have been
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conducted in the last couple years at the congressional
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level. Whistleblowers have been coming
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forward out of the military and intelligence communities.
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And a lot of those revelations have been really startling
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because they've been dealing not with speculative issues, but
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they've been dealing with actual direct recovery of crashed
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craft, UFOs and the occupants of those crashes, which, you know,
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supposedly are beings from other planets.
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They've been referring to these generally as non human
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intelligence. However, I think what is more
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likely the case, as the Urantia book portrays, these are non
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Earth humans because the human physical type we know from the
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Urantia book encompasses a wide range of of variations, but
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still has the same general physical dimensions of, you
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know, how we think of as humans. You know, we got one head, two
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eyes, you know, two hands and such.
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So, you know, I think it's likely what we're, what we're
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dealing with here in any of these revelations that are
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coming forth. They are humans, but from other
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planets. And it's fascinating.
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And I think it's really capturing the imagination of
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folks in all different, you know, types of, of groups and
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paradigms. Certainly within the UV
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community, you know, people are having to to think about this in
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deeper ways. And it's a just a fascinating
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topic. I've been interested in this, as
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you know, for quite a few decades.
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I have very close relationships with many of the major UFOET
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researchers and I'm talking serious folks who bring a high
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degree of scrutiny and investigation to this.
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I've met with several of the whistleblowers who have been,
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you know, portrayed on, you know, on various programs and
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interviews and documentaries and things like that.
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And I've also had my own direct personal experiences, you know,
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with the the UFO issue. But in what I mean by that is
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actual sightings that that I, my family, other friends that we've
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had on numerous occasions that I can't quite explain other than
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to say, you know, these have been, you know, quite remarkable
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sightings. And there are other experiences
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related to that that I would just simply say are, you know,
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personally profound. Well, mystical experiences or
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paranormal experiences, you know, there's lots of words you
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could use to describe it, but there's something going on, You
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know, do I believe that there is life on other planets?
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Absolutely. And of course, the Your Answer
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book corroborates that because it, it states very bluntly that
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we live in a highly inhabited universe, not just with, you
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know, very simple forms of life, but with, with, you know, life
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of, of intelligent will capacity, the ability to make
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decisions, moral decisions, the ability to have a worship
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experience of the Creator. You know, so we are not alone by
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any stretch. There's all kinds of, of
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information there that goes back in various wisdom traditions and
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I would even say archaeological evidence that we have had the
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presence of such beings who are not native to this planet for
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thousands of years. As the rancher book says, you
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know, we've had a, you know, probably life seeded on this
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planet by beings from other worlds and, you know, call them
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the life carriers or, you know, use some other term from those.
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But it seems to be the plan and purpose of God that life gets
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established on all kinds of planets, millions upon millions
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of planets. You know, once those fears have
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geophysically stabilized and they're, you know, have such
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atmosphere or other conditions that are stable enough to harbor
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life implantation and and nurture life along a long
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evolutionary path until it gives rise to the human order of
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being. And, you know, so it's a
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fascinating story and I think it's really captured the
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interest of a lot of people. So.
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So maybe that can be the starting point for our
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discussion here. Well, that's, that's a tree with
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a lot of branches. And well, let's take one of
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those branches. What do you think the Urantia
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book offers to those people who, like you and me, who've been
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interested in this subject for a long time, this idea of aliens,
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ancient and otherwise? What do you think?
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What new information do they bring?
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And you sort of touched on some of it, but elaborate a little
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bit deeper, if you would, for a ufologist.
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And also, what reactions have you received from people who did
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not know about what the Arantia book teaches about
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extraterrestrial life? So there's two questions there.
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Yeah, it's a great, it's a great couple of questions.
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I think first what the Urantia book does is it puts things in
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perspective, starting with there is a divine plan for life of of
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the human order of being that is endowed with the ability to
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choose to do the will of God in an incredible ascendant journey
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that starts on a physical planet with a physical body and then
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evolves forward through a number of of different experiences that
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you know, our our first physical on the nativity planet then
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moves through this long, morantial stage of life through
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many, many different planets. And then it enters upon a
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spiritual part of that ascendant journey that is on a much
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higher, more glorious level. But all of these things in the
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divine plan, all of these stages are meant to take the
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evolutionary human being from a relatively low order of
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existence to an exalted level of existence where we're capable of
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knowing God, having our own creative experience that
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contributes something very unique and very important to the
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growth of the experiential deity, the Supreme being.
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We get to participate in that drama.
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And, and the Rancher book portrays this in such a
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beautiful way that makes sense. And it, it very seamlessly
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incorporates the concept of a highly inhabited universe on
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different levels of being from our low level as evolutionary
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will creatures through the angelic order of being and then
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the the other higher sons of God and to to beings that would be
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very difficult for us to understand.
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But are all part of this, this incredible and vast family, even
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a a constellation of beings that are all part of the, you know,
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the the plan of the creators and it's beautiful.
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It's hopeful. It lays it out in ways that are
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understandable. Otherwise it it wouldn't have
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been put down in a book that can be read by humans.
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And I think it really lends a great degree of order and sense
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to this whole field of Ufology in a way that that is going to
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become increasingly important, Jim, because the, the way, you
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know, when you look at the various religions on the planet,
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let's just start at 3, the religion level, there are very
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few religious institutions, or let's say even the Christian
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denominations, very few that are prepared to deal with this issue
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at the, at the doctrinal level and the cultural level, because
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it's so startling. And because I would say the
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emphasis in many cases has been, well, humanity on this planet,
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we are it. We're the pinnacle of creation.
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There's nothing beyond us. And so to suddenly have thrust
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upon us a, the, the potential disclosure from our government
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at the executive level, at the presidential level that says,
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hey, not only are extraterrestrials real, but they
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are here and they are, they are actively impacting what is going
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on with this planet. And that there are plans under
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way and there are recoveries and and all kinds of things going on
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that can be quite shocking to folks and it can upset them even
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in their religious faith. And so I would say the churches
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are woefully unprepared for this.
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The Urantia book is going to become increasingly important to
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settle things down and say, hey, look here for 100 years has been
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the most remarkable reference book that lays this all out in
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the most beautiful way. And that portrays our part in
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this is one part of something that's really vast and it's
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quite comprehensive. But we don't have to be afraid
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of this because I can guarantee you, Jim, the the narrative that
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is already being portrayed and will and will likely continue to
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be portrayed from some elements within this, let's just call it
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the disclosure narrative. A lot of that portrayal is going
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to be quite dark and negative and going to it's going to still
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fear. And your answer book is going to
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be an extraordinarily valuable counter to that narrative of
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fear. Let me ask you this, do you
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think, what do you think the government is going to reveal
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and what is the limit of what they know?
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Well, so far what we have seen and, and by we, I mean those who
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have been actively engaged in this disclosure effort and in
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advocating for government disclosure with great
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transparency. What we have seen so far is that
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the government agencies themselves have been anything
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but transparent. They have, they have done
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little, if any disclosure that they've been little drips and
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drabs and really have not, you know, these, these advocate
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efforts have not shaken loose the really good stuff as far as
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you know, all of the the information that has been
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collected over decades by the military and intelligence
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community. You know, there have been crash
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retrievals, there have been the recovery of of the occupants of
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those vehicles, some deceased, some live.
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And so just imagine what exists in the current archives of, of
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the government and, and you know, whether it's at the, the
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military level, the intelligence community level or the military
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industrial contractor level, because each, all of these are,
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are intertwined as far as, as you know, the, the really good
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stuff, as far as the evidence here.
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And they don't want to share that.
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There's a number of reasons why that is the case, but what we,
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what can be said for sure at this point, and the
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whistleblowers will all say this, is that the, it, it's been
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like pulling teeth to get any real serious acknowledgement and
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any real serious transparent disclosure from the government
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entities. So, you know, what is my
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expectation of what we're going to see even in the face of the
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president just today saying that he plans to call for the release
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of all information on the UFOET topic.
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My expectation is that it's still going to be a very
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controlled disclosure and only of some very limited
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information. They're not going to turn over
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the crown jewels, which would be like, oh, hey, look here, here,
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we're going to put on display some of the, the, the crashed
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UFO vehicles themselves for the public to see.
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They're not going to do that. They're not going to show the,
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the high technology. They're unlikely to show
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anything to do with the advanced energy and propulsion systems
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that, that power those craft and that allow them to travel
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interstellar distances. OK.
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They're not likely to show any, any signs of the the occupants
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of those vehicles that have been recovered.
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They're very unlikely to show, hey, here's here's live video of
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perhaps some extraterrestrial beings themselves.
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They're unlikely to do that. Why?
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Why are they unlikely to do that?
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I think it has to do a lot with the control paradigm, you know,
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and this kind of global domination scheme that, that we
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see being played out on so many levels in geopolitics today, you
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know, and that's been going on for a long, long time.
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So there are folks embedded in this and I'd have been embedded
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for, for generations that try to keep the secrets.
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And, and they're, they're using the technological developments
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that may have occurred from, from direct access through
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retrieval and also the back engineering programs to develop
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this technology, you know, through, through, you know,
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human examination and, and engineer and, and all of that.
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But but why, why wouldn't that to be directly shared with
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humanity at large to upstep, you know, our own societies, for
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instance, you know, address climate change, address the
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energy shortages, you know, polluting fossil fuels or
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whatever, clean up the environment, you know, grow food
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everywhere so that so there's no, you know, no lack of
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nutrition for any human being on this planet.
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Why won't they share those things out?
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Right? Those are great questions.
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They are moral questions, but we, we, we know that there are,
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are highly placed factions that for the longest time have been,
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you know, basically using technology to advance their own
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agendas, which, which often are, you know, domination and control
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agendas. And when you're in the national
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security state, like our military and intelligence
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communities are, they look, they look at the world through a very
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different lens and paradigm than the average person on the street
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does. And and so we have to contend
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with that as part of the the current reality.
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All right. So let me ask you this.
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Do you think that is it a prerequisite of of
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extraterrestrials that they are probably much more advanced?
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Then we are. And if they are, would they, do
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you suppose, would they know many of the truths that we've
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been recently been given in the Urantia book, this idea of, of a
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structural government, Jerusalem being our system capital, those
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kind? Will they know some of these
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things that we're being told in the Urantia book, do you think?
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Well, that's a great question. Now I would say this right off
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the bat, any, any beings that have travelled here from other
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planets by definition would be more technologically advanced
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than we are here in our science and technology and our
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understanding of, you know, universal laws and principles,
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certainly the the principles of physics that apply on a larger
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level. So they would know, for example,
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Christ. Well, so so I'll just start
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here. Technological advancement is
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only one element in this. What you're now asking about is
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what about spiritual enlightenment?
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Would they automatically be more more spiritually advanced than
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humans on our planet? I would say there's a high
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probability that they are. And that actually was something
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that even the Catholic Church had addressed some decades ago
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when a spokesperson for the Vatican was talking about, you
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know, well, if if extraterrestrial life visited
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this planet, would it be us that were baptizing them or should
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they be baptizing us? Because the, you know, the
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implication there is would advanced extraterrestrial
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civilizations have a a much better understanding of
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spiritual reality? Would they know God to a better
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degree than than earth humanity would?
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And I would say the probabilities of that are yes.
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I would imagine they have to follow rules too.
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I mean, I'm thinking in terms of, you know, they would, would,
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would, would an extraterrestrial planet need permission from,
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say, Laniferge, the system Sovereign in order to make
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contact with us or Urantia? Would they need that sort of
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permission? Because you just shouldn't be
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able to Willy nilly go wherever you want to and violate the
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Prime Directive, now would you? Well, that's good that you bring
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up the Prime Directive because I think in many ways the the
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Urantia book speaks to that in certain ways because it lays out
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that there is a divine plan in a framework that assumes some
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moral duty and responsibility as far as how different orders of
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being execute their particular duties, you know, at their
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level. OK, so when you look at someone
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like a, you know what the Ranch book calls the system sovereign,
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like Lana Forge or like, you know, his predecessor Lucifer
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would have had, or those who are, you know, called the the
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planetary Prince, you know, which are basically have the
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executive, you know, responsibilities for a whole
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inhabited planet. You know, there are expectations
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of, of high moral duty and accountability.
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So, so yes, you know, we would expect that that
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extraterrestrial beings would recognize that there is a, a
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hierarchy of responsibility. And, and, you know, it's kind of
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like if you have the older children in a family, there's
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more expected of them than for the young ones.
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Or if you have the parents in the family or you have the CEO
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of a, of a corporation there, there are different levels of,
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of accountability and responsibility.
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So I think, yeah, it's natural to expect that that, you know,
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extraterrestrials who are here who have more technological and
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spiritual advancement compared to us, that they would know more
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about the workings of system governance, of universal
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governance and and, you know, presumably all the way up to,
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you know, the Paradise center of all things.
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Yeah. Because you know, The thing is
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they had to get permit and I'm talking about the midwayers.
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They had to actually petition to get the whatever was together to
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be able to produce the Urantia book.
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So that was my permission and there were certain mandates that
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were put into place. So I would logically assume this
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would be how they would deal with any kind of foreign agency
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coming in and and either trying to make us more advanced or to
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prevent us from killing ourselves.
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But I want to go back to another thing because you you kind of
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say something important. So if they announce, if our own
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government announces that we did get some technology from an
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ancient race, a non earth race, and you said yourself there was
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probably some dead bodies that were recovered from some of
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these crash sites, maybe a few that survived. 1 wonders if
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those entities or agencies would be upset with the fact that
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there is no transparency of what they were able to bring to our
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world and it was sort of Co opted by the United States
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government. Do you think that they would be
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angry at us for that? I think that, yes, that they
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would be at least extraordinarily disappointed.
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You know, we use the word angry. Hard to say that they would have
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that type of emotional response because they may understand
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human psychology on this planet to a greater degree than how we
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have, how we tend to, to think about human conduct here.
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You know, we, we think, well, it's just normal for us to, to
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to to be angry and to be indignant enough that we might
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take up arms against each other and, and things like that where
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we become violent, you know, in our response to each other,
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even, you know, to our fellow humans, where is that might be
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something that, you know, they have evolved way beyond that.
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And so they might have more like some sympathy, empathy, you
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know, kind of, you know, disappointment that those who
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supposedly are in leadership positions within our government,
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our military, that, that we take more of a I fear based approach
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or, or even even, yeah, even Violet approach or selfish
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approach, whatever that, that they know that they're dealing
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here on this planet with a, a more immature civilization or a,
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a regressive civilization compared to what might be the
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norm, you know, in our, in our universe here.
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So, you know, if we're thinking of them as potentially elder
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brothers who are being sent here for various purposes, it's, you
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know, not that purpose might be anything from just research to
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see, hey, there's unique species of life here.
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They might be doing some reconnaissance to see, well, how
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is human civilization progressing over time?
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You know, so some periodic check insurance or there might be
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resource arrangements, maybe some of those those early
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missions and and crash retrievals and and interaction
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with our government. Maybe it had to do a trade like,
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hey, you have certain material resources there that could help
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our civilization. We have some technology that can
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certainly benefit Earth humanity.
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And so there might be some practical things, you might even
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call it economic arrangements, things like that, you know, or
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they might be ambassadorial missions that hey, look, we
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observe Earth humanity. It seems like you're getting
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ready to deal with the fact that we that there is a highly
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inhabited universe and, and you're on the cusp of emerging
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into that because now you have technology that can take you
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into space. And oh, by the way, you also
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have weapons technology that becomes now a threat to other
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planets because you can launch it into space.
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So there may be ambassadorial aspects to the the ET presence
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here on our planet. Now, in those in those potential
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ambassadorial missions, have they actually been dealing with
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the most mature and most spiritually advanced elements of
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human society or have they been dealing with a more, let's call
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it narcissistic, selfish, fear based quote UN quote leadership
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here. I'm I'm concerned that that's
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more likely what has been the case that the the interactions
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on any official level have not been with the most mature and
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advanced humans here, but they've been with a a smaller
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subset that are part of the, let's call it the national
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security state or those who who tend to favor domination and
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control paradigms over civilizational uplift.
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Well, that's a lot to chew on, Joel.
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I, I fear the the worst because they would look at us as almost
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like a Chicago in the 1920s, a bunch of thugs, a bunch of, a
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bunch of gangsters, you know, So you know, it's, it's
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speculative. I, I'm, I'm guessing you don't
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think that these agencies are seraphic or angelic in nature,
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but more towards the fact that they are coming from other
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advanced worlds, not necessarily tied to the spiritual economy of
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things. You understand the nature of
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that question. In other words, these are
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evolutionary beings that we're dealing with, not spiritual on
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high orders of being. Yeah.
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So my perspective on this and it's, it's been after a, a long
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consideration of this over the last couple decades.
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I think primarily what we're dealing with here.
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Certainly when we are talking about, you know, crash
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retrievals and, and ambassadorial missions or trade
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commissions or celestial observers to see how life is
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progressing or, or you know, taking genetic samples, things
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like that. I think in those cases we are
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dealing with with actual human type, OK, you know, flesh and
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blood, you know, type of beings, not seraphic beings.
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We're not talking about angels here or, or other, you know,
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high spirit beings. Now, that doesn't mean that
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there is not the participation or oversight of angelic beings
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and and other high spiritual types, because I think likely
31:48
that is the case. In fact, I think that's probably
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the more difficult and complex part of the whole narrative.
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And you do hear this in a lot of the debates that go on within
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the, the, the UFOET research circles.
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There's always this very sometimes contentious debate
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about, OK, so are we, are we dealing with physical beings?
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Are we dealing with interdimensional beings, even
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though no one can give a good definition of what that means,
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You know, are are we dealing with sometimes with what are
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called ultra terrestrial beings, which again, what kind of fuzzy
32:29
definition is provided to that? But but again, I think what is
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implied is that these aren't all flesh and blood, You know,
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there, you know, we know from the the Your Answer book that
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there's a wide spectrum of life on what they term the morantial
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levels and a wide spectrum of life on the spiritual levels,
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both of which are transcendent to the purely physical level,
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You know, which we find in our own experience as, as you know,
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humans born on our nativity world, you know, walking around
33:08
in a body suit, you know, that is composed flesh and blood, you
33:13
know, so, so I do think that that while most of what we're
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dealing with here as far as physical evidence goes, meaning,
33:22
you know, actual craft and then any the occupants in the bodies
33:27
recovered such an is that we're dealing with physical beings.
33:30
But I do also think there's interplay, you know, with, with
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a wider order of beings that are not necessarily corporeal.
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You know, you mentioned interdimensional beings.
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I would classify A Melchizedek as an interdimensional because
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they can, they can assume three different states of being.
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So that is an interesting thing that you stated about inter.
33:54
And we know that Melchizedek, particularly the Melchizedek's,
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the 12 receivers are technically watching over us.
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So I think you're on the right track on that.
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Let me ask you this and unfortunately we're running out
34:07
of time, but if you want to respond to that, please do.
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I just have one final question. Do you think that the Urantia
34:13
book satisfies the ancient question of the Anunnaki or
34:18
these other groups, perhaps some of them mentioned in the Book of
34:22
Enoch and others? Do you think that the Urantia
34:25
book satisfies the question of ancient aliens among us and
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their influence and impact on early man?
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Oh, I think it does a great job of putting some light on some of
34:38
those questions there about the Anunnaki, the Nephilim, all of
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that. You know, a lot of the Genesis
34:45
account references to these, these beings.
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You know, sometimes they talk about giants.
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So they talk about, you know, the sons of God who interbred
34:56
with the daughters of man, you know, the mighty men of old.
34:59
All of these things. I think your rancher book
35:01
provides the most comprehensive and consistent narrative for
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what, what likely was the case, What makes the most sense?
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You know, what accounts for the, the archaeological discoveries
35:15
of ancient civilizations and, and various sites actual, you
35:22
know, sites where there were ancient cities, you know, like,
35:27
you know, Gobekli Tepe and any number of sites that are being
35:32
unearthed. You know, certainly throughout
35:34
the, the middle the least and in other parts of the world, you
35:38
know, pyramidal structures, things like that.
35:41
You know, the Uranus book portrays in a most sensible way
35:45
what was the, the more more likely scenario there that there
35:51
were beings who came here from other planets.
35:54
You know, they, they were responsible for seeding life on
35:57
this planet like they do on other planets because that's
36:00
part of the divine plan. And then there are those who are
36:04
dispatched to a planet that, that had, you know, a prior
36:10
existence on other planets, like those who, who comprised the
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Prince's staff of 100. You know, those were beings who,
36:18
who, according to the Urantia narrative, they lived actual
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lives as humans on other planets.
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And then they were given this distinct, you know, privilege
36:28
and duty to to be, you know, reincorporated on this planet
36:34
and incorporate it. Meaning they were given new
36:37
corporeal bodies that, you know, were at what had such features
36:42
that would have been looked at as essentially like demigods
36:46
because of the stature 8 feet tall.
36:48
And, and then, you know, great wisdom, spiritual insight, all
36:51
these things, you know, that would accounted for a lot of the
36:54
legends and, and a lot of the Genesis accounts themselves.
36:59
Now, now part of that gem also, I think it has to be taken into
37:06
account as far as the rebel aspect that we know occurred,
37:13
you know, with the, the Lucifer rebellion, the the Calagasia
37:17
betrayal, all of the different beings who went into rebellion,
37:24
which you know, is a possibility whenever you have free will.
37:29
And so I do want to say, before we end up here, I'm not naive in
37:35
thinking that all the interactions that have occurred
37:41
either in, you know, earlier, much earlier times or in the
37:45
more recent decades, let's say since the Roswell incident in
37:49
the late 1940s. I'm not naive enough to think
37:52
that all of these ET interactions have been
37:55
benevolent. Perhaps they have been.
38:00
But because all of these beings have free will, they could
38:05
choose selfish motives. They could choose to not be
38:11
aligned with the divine plan and therefore be exploitative of
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Earth humanity. So that is a possibility.
38:22
So, you know, we know that on our own planet, you know, we
38:25
have, you know, from Mother Teresa's to, you know, to, you
38:30
know, humans that are at a lot lower character level.
38:34
We have a wide spectrum of moral conduct on this planet.
38:39
So the possibility exists for those who are visiting that
38:43
despite their relative advantages and technology and,
38:47
and you know, spiritual information and things like
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that, they still get to choose. And so some of them may, may
38:55
choose to, to not have the highest interest, you know, of,
39:00
of Earth humanity in mind. And and so I, I kind of want to
39:04
wrap up and say, when you see some of these documentaries and
39:10
new film releases that are getting a lot of publicity, such
39:14
as the recent documentary called The Age of Disclosure that
39:20
rolled out dozens of whistleblower, you know,
39:25
witnesses and then lots of of US governments people, even Marco
39:31
Rubio being interviewed for the age of disclosure documentary.
39:36
Bear in mind that that all of that documentary had the
39:42
essentially the message of the national security state.
39:45
It tends to portray the the E TS as being a potential threat.
39:52
OK, when you look at the trailer for Steven Spielberg's new
39:57
movie, that's called Disclosure Day, that's coming out on June
40:01
12th. That trailer has a very kind of
40:05
ominous and dark feel to it, which also likely is going to
40:10
take a fear based approach to how the the whole UFOET topic is
40:18
is portrayed. You know that well, likely
40:21
there's something to be afraid of here.
40:24
And that's unfortunate because I think it's better that a, a more
40:29
balanced perspective is, is what the public starts to debate on
40:36
this. And, and so that would be my, my
40:39
final word here in this, this particular episode of your
40:43
podcast is we need to have discernment.
40:47
We need to look at this through a broader lens.
40:50
Be very cautious when you hear the government officials making
40:55
these disclosure announcements, including the president.
40:59
There are lots of agendas and, and we just have to be mindful,
41:05
have an open discussion. You know, I, I think the rancher
41:08
book is a great reference, a book that everyone should take,
41:13
take a look at, if for no other reason than to get a good
41:16
grounding in this whole disclosure narrative and, and
41:21
then just kind of move forward from there.
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And certainly we're going to have a lot more to talk about,
41:25
you know, in future episodes, Jim.
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And no question, once the the big disclosure is made, you and
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I can huddle again and and take a look at it from the other
41:33
side. So thank you, Joel.
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I appreciate you. It is a real pleasure to have
41:37
you back on the program. Look, it's clear that you're
41:45
going to want to share this with a lot of your friends and I
41:49
don't blame you. So feel free to share this an
41:52
episode with as many people you think would be interested as
41:55
possible and we'll make it a date to see you back here real
41:59
soon. Don't forget next episode, our
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personality profile, Emmanuel. That's going to be a good one.
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Until next time, blessings and cheers.
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You're an interesting species, an interesting mix.
42:19
You're capable of such beautiful dreams.
42:23
They're such horrible nightmares.
42:26
You feel so lost, so cut off, so alone.
42:32
See, in all our searching, the only thing we've found that
42:37
makes the emptiness bearable is each other.
42:42
This was just the first step. In time, you'll take another.
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This is the way it's been done for billions of years.
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Small moves, Ali, Small moves.