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- Lucas: So there's this moment in Satya Nadella's first year as CEO of Microsoft that I think tells you almost everything about how he operates. It's a quarterly strategy review, and a senior executive is presenting a detailed plan for a new Windows feature. The room is full of people who have spent their careers optimizing Windows. And instead of nodding along, Nadella asks a question that, by all accounts, nobody saw coming. Luna: What did he ask? Lucas: He said, 'What would this feature look like if we designed it for people who don't use Windows?' Luna: That's a disarming question. Especially because Microsoft's entire identity up to that point had been Windows-first. Lucas: Exactly. And that moment — it's documented in his book, 'Hit Refresh' — it signals a cultural shift away from a company that was famously competitive internally. I mean, Microsoft had a culture where managers were ranked on a forced curve, where teams hoarded their best ideas, where the phrase 'brilliant jerk' was almost a term of grudging respect. Luna: Right, the stack ranking system. That was infamous. It essentially guaranteed that a certain percentage of employees would get a poor rating, even if everyone was doing great work. It bred internal competition rather than collaboration. Lucas: And that's the environment Nadella inherited in 2014. The company had missed the mobile revolution. They were still riding Windows and Office, but their stock had been flat for over a decade. Google and Apple were the innovators. Microsoft was the incumbent that kept trying to catch up. Luna: So what was his first big move? I remember he killed the forced ranking system pretty quickly, right? Lucas: He did. Within months, he eliminated stack ranking and replaced it with a system that emphasized collaboration and team performance. But that was just one piece. The deeper shift was what he called moving from 'know-it-all' to 'learn-it-all.' Luna: That's become a kind of slogan, but what did it actually mean in practice? Lucas: In practice, it meant changing how meetings were run. Nadella would walk into a room and ask questions rather than give answers. He'd say, 'Tell me what you're learning' or 'What surprised you this quarter?' That's a huge departure from the old Microsoft, where the smartest person in the room was expected to have all the answers. Luna: I've read that he also changed the executive team. He brought in people from outside, which was rare for Microsoft at the time. Lucas: Right. He brought in leaders like Peggy Johnson from Qualcomm, and later Scott Guthrie, who had been an insider but was known for building Azure from scratch. The key was that he didn't just shuffle titles. He changed the power structure. The people who ran Windows lost influence. The people who ran cloud and enterprise services gained it. Luna: And that's when their cloud business really took off. Azure went from a distant third behind AWS and Google Cloud to a strong competitor. Lucas: It's now the second-largest cloud provider in the world by revenue. But the cultural shift was essential to making that possible. You can't pivot a company from Windows to cloud if the people who built Windows are still running the show and enforcing the old playbook. Luna: There's a great story about Nadella's first day as CEO. Apparently, he brought a copy of 'The Art of Peace' by Morihei Ueshiba to the executive team meeting. It's a book about non-violence and harmony. That must have sent a signal. Lucas: It did. And he didn't just bring the book. He started a habit of reading widely, and he encouraged the whole company to read. He would send book recommendations to the executive team. He was modeling a learning mindset. It was deliberate. Luna: Let's talk about one of the most visible outcomes of that cultural change: the decision to put Office on the iPad. Before Nadella, that would have been unthinkable. Office was a Windows advantage. Lucas: And that decision was made in his first year. He came in and said, essentially, 'We need to go where our customers are, not where we want them to be.' Office on iPad was a massive success. It showed developers and customers that Microsoft was serious about cross-platform. And it paved the way for Office on Android, on the web, everywhere. Luna: But not every product decision went smoothly. There was the acquisition of Nokia's phone business, which was a holdover from the Ballmer era. Nadella had to unwind that. That was a huge distraction and a write-off. Lucas: Right. He killed the Nokia deal essentially within his first year. He wrote off $7.6 billion. But I think that was also a cultural signal. He was willing to admit failure and move on. The old Microsoft would have doubled down to save face. Luna: That's the 'learn-it-all' mindset in action. Fail fast, learn, pivot. But it's one thing to say that and another to actually take the loss and reshuffle the organization. Lucas: And he did that repeatedly. He reorganized the company from product-based silos into what he called 'One Microsoft' — breaking down the barriers between Windows, Office, and cloud teams. Engineers started working together on features like Microsoft Teams, which now competes with Slack and Zoom. Luna: Teams is a good example. It was born from internal collaboration between the Skype team and the Office team. That would have been much harder in the old culture. Lucas: Exactly. And the results have been dramatic. Since Nadella took over in February 2014, Microsoft's market capitalization has grown from around $300 billion to over $2.5 trillion. That's not just a stock market story. It's a story about a company that reinvented itself. Luna: And I think a big part of that reinvention was Nadella's emphasis on empathy. He's talked about how his son's disability taught him to listen better, to understand different perspectives. That personal story became part of his leadership philosophy. Lucas: He's been very open about that. His son Zain has cerebral palsy. Nadella has said that parenting Zain taught him more about empathy than any business book. And he brought that into the C-suite. He started meetings with a moment of silence. He insisted on listening before speaking. Luna: I think that's easy to dismiss as soft stuff, but in a company of 200,000 people, those small rituals can shift the entire culture over time. Lucas: Absolutely. And the thing is, it wasn't just warm words. He backed it up with structural changes. He changed the performance review system to include feedback from peers, not just managers. He made diversity and inclusion a measurable goal. He invested in accessibility features for products. Luna: Speaking of which, if you've found these conversations useful — maybe you're a leader trying to navigate a big transition yourself — we keep the show ad-free thanks to listeners who support it. You can find us at buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. No pressure, just a way to keep these episodes coming. Lucas: And we appreciate every bit of that support. It lets us dive into these stories without worrying about sponsors. So thank you to anyone who's contributed. Luna: Alright, back to Nadella. One of the things I find fascinating is that even with all this cultural change, Microsoft still faces antitrust scrutiny. The FTC and regulators in Europe are looking at their practices in cloud computing and AI. So how deep is the culture change, really? Lucas: That's a fair challenge. The company is still a massive, dominant player. And some critics argue that the 'learn-it-all' culture hasn't fully taken hold in all parts of the organization. There are still reports of internal politics and friction. But the direction is clear. Luna: I guess the question is whether that cultural shift can sustain itself after Nadella. He's only 54, so he's probably got a decade or more. But Microsoft's history shows that culture can change quickly when a new CEO comes in. Lucas: And that's the challenge for any leader: building a culture that outlasts you. Nadella has tried to institutionalize it through processes like the annual 'hackathon' — which started under him — and the emphasis on 'growth mindset' in training and hiring. But you're right, it's fragile. Luna: So if there's one lesson from Nadella's tenure, what would you say it is? Lucas: I'd say it's that culture isn't a behind the scenes HR initiative. It's a strategic lever. Nadella used culture to enable a product pivot that the old Microsoft couldn't have made. He didn't just change the mission statement. He changed the questions people asked in meetings. Luna: And the questions really do matter. Because the question 'What would this look like if we designed it for non-Windows users?' — that's the kind of question that can reshape a company. Lucas: Exactly. And I think that's the thing that sticks with me. Big transformations don't always start with a grand vision. Sometimes they start with one question that makes everyone in the room uncomfortable.