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The Last of Us Special: Episode 3 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm notlcome to stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I never told you. Protection of iHeart Radio and Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to are very very special. Not sponsored by HBO or
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  Speaker 1: the Last of Us the Last of Us mini series.
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  Speaker 1: It is something that I am enjoying so much. I
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  Speaker 1: was telling Samantha the other day, It's like, not, I
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  Speaker 1: don't even think of it as work. I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to do this. You can get so
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  Speaker 1: excited I do. I do. As we said, this is
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  Speaker 1: going to replace my happy hours. Um, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: do one kind of an aftershow review a week after
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  Speaker 1: the current episode of The Last US TV Show, which
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  Speaker 1: is yes on HBO Max. So you have a week,
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  Speaker 1: you have a week before it comes out. But we
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  Speaker 1: will be spoiling the first three episodes. And I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to say, because I sent you that I've been sending
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: you just random headlines about the last episs, I read
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  Speaker 1: that the purchases of the first game is up. I
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  Speaker 1: will say, if you don't want to be spoiled in
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  Speaker 1: the game, this is the biggest divergence from the game.
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  Speaker 1: And we are going to talk about weapons in the
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  Speaker 1: game and why it's different. So that's about the five
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  Speaker 1: to seven hour mark in the game. But today we
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  Speaker 1: are talking about episode three, which was the one I
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  Speaker 1: was so so excited about a long long time. I
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  Speaker 1: believe it's called so Good. But yeah, this is a
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  Speaker 1: March nineteenth. I think it's the last one. It's a
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  Speaker 1: temporary thing, um, but it is very much enjoyed. And
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  Speaker 1: thank you for coming on this journey and letting me
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  Speaker 1: do it. Uh So, any I do have to burst
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  Speaker 1: your bubble in that. I know that we were really
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  Speaker 1: saying that you should have been the one to do
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  Speaker 1: the HBO podcast, but did you know it was actually
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  Speaker 1: the voice of Joel that hosts the podcast. I have
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  Speaker 1: been informed. Yes, I'm sorry. So although you are a
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  Speaker 1: close second, thank you. Okay, Okay, So I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't want you to get upset with me, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense that he would be the one to
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  Speaker 1: host the podcast with the creators Neil and I'm calling
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  Speaker 1: them Deal and Craig like that are my friends. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and we have talked about this before. Where Um, if
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  Speaker 1: I was a voice actor in the game, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna lie. I would be I don't know it hurt,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be sad. That I wasn't like in the show,
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes it makes sense and sometimes but we get
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  Speaker 1: like Marlene, it's the same voice actor, which is very
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  Speaker 1: very cool, and the clickers, so that is awesome. But
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'll let Troy Baker. Yes, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I well, like I was like, oh that makes okay, Well, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that makes sense. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to you, but yes,
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  Speaker 1: but again you are a close second. Alright. So yes,
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  Speaker 1: Peter Whore is the director of this episode a long
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  Speaker 1: long time and Linda Ronstat's music apparently is going up
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  Speaker 1: right now. My partner has been listening to depeche Mode though,
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  Speaker 1: so that is also throw out to that. Um. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let's do a recap. You're ready for it, any you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna cry? Yeah, Actually, before we do the recap, let
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  Speaker 1: me do this warning. This is rated a E because
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  Speaker 1: any it's gonna be emotional. Yeah, so there's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a lot of emotions here from Annie so just and
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  Speaker 1: me too, but more so you. But yeah, so go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and get that rating as well as I need
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  Speaker 1: to take a big deep breath with me. Annie. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're there, let's begin. Let's do it. Here we have
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  Speaker 1: just lost Tests. In episode two, the both Ellie and
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  Speaker 1: Joel are trying to regroup, eating a little food. Her
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  Speaker 1: first speech to him kind of his look, you made
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  Speaker 1: a choice. You and Test knew the dangers. No one
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  Speaker 1: forced you. You wanted the battery, and this is what
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  Speaker 1: it took, so please stop blaming me. So she kind
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  Speaker 1: of just go ahead and says that. He's very quiet,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't say much. So they travel because they are supposed
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  Speaker 1: to get to bills. They that was the instructions from Tests.
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  Speaker 1: As we are traveling, we come up on many sites,
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  Speaker 1: a crash plane, the bodies of people who were murdered
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  Speaker 1: because there was not enough room for them at the
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  Speaker 1: q z UM. And there's a lot of conversation happening
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  Speaker 1: in between this, so she's getting a lot of detail
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  Speaker 1: from things, including how it first began. So we do
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  Speaker 1: get that the rice and flower possibly it's spread and
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  Speaker 1: then they started biting. So we get all of that
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  Speaker 1: information and then we have a flashback. We love a
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  Speaker 1: good flashback. In the flashback, we see the clothing of
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  Speaker 1: two murdered victims and they're alive and well as a
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  Speaker 1: mom and a baby who are being driven off from
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  Speaker 1: a neighborhood. What is it Bedford? Bedford? Yeah, Bedford, um,
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  Speaker 1: in which they are being transported. Next thing we see
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  Speaker 1: is nick Offerman, who was playing Bill all I guess,
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  Speaker 1: in his bunker with his gun ready to go because
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  Speaker 1: he was not going to be taken. What was this line?
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  Speaker 1: Not today New World Order? Jack boot? There you go,
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  Speaker 1: that's the line. And here we see Daddy nick Offerman.
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  Speaker 1: I did call him Daddy because like I was like,
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  Speaker 1: look what, Yes, we see Daddy nick Offerman slash Bill
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  Speaker 1: hiding in this bunker. After everybody leaves, he comes out gleefully,
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  Speaker 1: y'all gleefully. And also there was a lot of wine.
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  Speaker 1: I still don't understand why they didn't take the wine.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much wine there. But I digress, and he
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  Speaker 1: gleefully goes in, gives his truck, puts his boat on
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  Speaker 1: his truck to show, takes out the seats, goes to
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  Speaker 1: the hardware stores, go to the drug stores, goes to
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  Speaker 1: all the places and loads up. He then puts the
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  Speaker 1: trap so that people can't come get him, and none
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  Speaker 1: of the clickers and zombies can come get him. As
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  Speaker 1: in fact, and one of the scenes we see a
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  Speaker 1: clicker trying to get close and he gets shot in
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  Speaker 1: the head. Like Bills enjoying a fancy meal and wine
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  Speaker 1: with his giant generator that he has surveillance for everywhere. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: he is enjoying his good mill, enjoying his wine, having
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  Speaker 1: a final time. Oh no, something comes into a trap
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  Speaker 1: and he comes out. I was like, oh god, what
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  Speaker 1: am I gonna do? And he points a gun. He
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  Speaker 1: yells and here's this person in a in a ditch
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  Speaker 1: essentially his his little trap. After verifying that he wasn't infected,
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  Speaker 1: he helps them out. Of course, He's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you need to move on your way, and I did like, look,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really hungry. I haven't eaten in two days. I'm Frank,
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  Speaker 1: please give me the food. And he's like, dude, this
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  Speaker 1: is not an Arby's. You can't get free food. The
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  Speaker 1: response was you had to pay at Arby's, obviously, ha
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  Speaker 1: ha joke, joke joke. Did he kind of like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, okay, okay, you can come in. We can
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  Speaker 1: do things, dude. The stranger Frank takes a shower, very
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  Speaker 1: long shower, which I went to to be honest. Um
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  Speaker 1: comes out dressed and he was like, you know if
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  Speaker 1: you had a meal. Okay, we'll get you a meal.
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  Speaker 1: Oh and between all this, of course they'll get some
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  Speaker 1: some extra clothes. Super nice, super nice. And they have
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  Speaker 1: a meal, a lovely meal with Bogoli wine, which that
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  Speaker 1: that brand's gonna skyrocket. I bet um as well as
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  Speaker 1: cooked rabbit, correct is it? Rabbit? Delicious? Meal has the
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  Speaker 1: best meal. Frank is hesitating. Try He's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: i'll go, but let me look. You've got a piano,
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  Speaker 1: let me go play on your piano. Plays the Linda
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  Speaker 1: Ronstad song badly. Yes, And then of course Bill comes
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  Speaker 1: and shows him up a little bit, does the thing.
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  Speaker 1: And the question is what girl were you thinking of?
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  Speaker 1: And he says there's no girl, and Frank says, I know.
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  Speaker 1: Kiss magic happens. And then they're like, let's go upstairs,
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  Speaker 1: take you off your clothes. Literally he says that to him.
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  Speaker 1: And then the question is you know, have you ever
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  Speaker 1: been and he's like, no, only a girl a long
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  Speaker 1: time ago, and it's like, I'll take care of you.
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  Speaker 1: Other favorite line is, you know I'm not a whore.
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  Speaker 1: I don't sleep with every man that makes me lunch,
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  Speaker 1: not even a good lunch, not even a good lunch.
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  Speaker 1: So you know there's that. Uh, we move on. They
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  Speaker 1: are a beautiful couple. There's a lot of ups and downs.
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  Speaker 1: We see them coming together. He's like, I need more people,
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  Speaker 1: I need company. I need to make this a happy place.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go fix this this and the boutique
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  Speaker 1: and you need to let me. And he was like,
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  Speaker 1: and also, we're gonna have company, and he's like what.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I've been talking to a lovely woman. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: what on the radio? And eat and we have tests
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  Speaker 1: and Joel coming in. They're having a love lovely alfresco
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  Speaker 1: dinner or lunch. As they are sitting there, of course,
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  Speaker 1: Bill is pointing a gun at Joel the entire time,
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  Speaker 1: rightly so, while Tess and Frank a gallivant off to
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  Speaker 1: show the house do do um. After that, they've become
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  Speaker 1: a fixture in their lives there. I'm gonna put quote friends.
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  Speaker 1: Frank's their friend. Bill is just there and so is Joel.
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  Speaker 1: Essentially um, but they do have a deal going on
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  Speaker 1: where they do trade back and forth and all these
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  Speaker 1: things moving on. We see and Joel warns them. So
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  Speaker 1: this was one of those moments that the director and
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  Speaker 1: the writers tricked us again. This is gonna be the
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  Speaker 1: end because Joel Warrensen, there's there's raiders coming through. You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna need protection, and we can help you all these things,
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  Speaker 1: and and Bills like, I got this all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 1: Next thing we know, we hear fire and gunshots and
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  Speaker 1: all these things, and there are raiders coming through, and
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  Speaker 1: the government's in the middle of the street, not behind anything,
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  Speaker 1: just shooting away. Brake comes down to assist with a gun.
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  Speaker 1: I think he kind of distracts Bill. Bill gets shot,
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  Speaker 1: and then we're watching all the other ones getting burned
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  Speaker 1: up and fired up and all those and blown up
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  Speaker 1: because all of the rigs. And then Frank carries Bill in.
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  Speaker 1: Bill tells him all these dying things, you need to
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  Speaker 1: take care of this there and there's take care of this.
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  Speaker 1: And then we see Frank he's got I got you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm taking care of you. Thinking he's a part of
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  Speaker 1: the medical field because he seems to know a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things. And then we flash forward to someone in
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  Speaker 1: the wheelchair. My mag extumption was Bill, but it isn't.
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  Speaker 1: It's Frank. Frank's in a wheelchair and it is twenty
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  Speaker 1: years later. I guess so it starts out. Two three
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  Speaker 1: is when we have the first him hiding in the
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  Speaker 1: in the bunker. Two thousand seven is when Frank shows
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  Speaker 1: up back now and Frank's in a wheelchair. We find
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: out Frank's sick. He needs a lot of help. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't feel good. But Bill is taking care of them.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing such great things. He puts them to bed.
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  Speaker 1: They wake up the next day and Bill Frank is
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  Speaker 1: sitting in the wheelchair and Bills like, what did you do?
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna help you, and Frank says, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it took me all night to do this, but I
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  Speaker 1: got here. And then he says today is my last day,
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  Speaker 1: and they He comes up with a whole whole plan
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  Speaker 1: about how he suffering. There's nothing they can do. There's
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  Speaker 1: no doctors. Even though Bills like, maybe we can find one.
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  Speaker 1: All these things, He's like, no, you know, I've had
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  Speaker 1: a lot of good days. I've had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: bad days, and they were with you, but I've had
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  Speaker 1: a lot more good days. And I would like this
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  Speaker 1: to be a good day. Annis you're about to cry.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to see a good day. And he rattles
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  Speaker 1: off all the things that would be a good day, uh,
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  Speaker 1: including him them dressing up, them getting married, and them
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  Speaker 1: having a final dinner with him crushing up all the
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  Speaker 1: pills in the wine so that Frank could take it
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  Speaker 1: where he can go and die in Bill's arms for
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  Speaker 1: the last time. So all these things, Oh, I forgot
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  Speaker 1: the strawberry part because this is like we need the
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  Speaker 1: strawberry part were during the middle of before all this, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: Joel trades things with trades for a gun, apparently a
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  Speaker 1: small gun, so says Frank's for seeds for strawberries, and
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: we have the cutest giggling moment which was very run
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  Speaker 1: Swanson like I will say, but it was very cute
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  Speaker 1: of them enjoying something they hadn't had in so long
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  Speaker 1: that they grew. It was a beautiful scene. I believe
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: that scene has become a meme for many people. Feel
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  Speaker 1: like and this is sadness and happiness all at the
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: same time. But and then we're back to them doing
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  Speaker 1: the marrish, looking handsome together, eating the last meal which
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  Speaker 1: was as the same as the first meal, with the
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  Speaker 1: same wine, beautifully done, and he crushes up this amount
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  Speaker 1: of pills dumps it into uh Frank's wine. Frank gulps
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  Speaker 1: it down. Frank looks at Bill. Bill gulps his wine down,
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  Speaker 1: which clicks, oh, you already put some pills in the street,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like how much? He said enough to kill
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  Speaker 1: a horse? Um, And he's like, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be here without you. I've lived my best days with you.
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  Speaker 1: This is enough. So the next thing we know, they
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: go off to bed insane. Next week come back to
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: seeing Joel and Ellie arrive at the fence. He knows
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: something wrong because there's nothing going off, so he goes
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  Speaker 1: gets the code, goes in and uh, they can't find them.
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  Speaker 1: He goes to the door to open it, but it's stuck.
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  Speaker 1: And then Ellie finds the note, a note in which
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  Speaker 1: is so Bill talking about how I don't like you,
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: but I know you. Who finds this because anybody else
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  Speaker 1: would have been blown up? He Ellie meeting that part
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite thing. And then he also gets this
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  Speaker 1: auctions to take care of the ones he loves, take
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  Speaker 1: care of tests, which is nice to the heart. Yeah,
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: and then at the end he was like, hey, we're
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  Speaker 1: in the bedroom. I left the window open, don't come in,
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  Speaker 1: leave us alone. Take whatever you need. Good luck. Essentially,
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  Speaker 1: and uh yeah. So they go through get things, get
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: the shower for the first time. Here we see Ellie's
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: signature shirt from the video game and see Joel wearing
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  Speaker 1: the shirt that was given to Frank the first day
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  Speaker 1: he was there. Yeah, and then they take the car,
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  Speaker 1: they get the battery, and they move on their way
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  Speaker 1: with lindauched with Linda Ron start playing in the back
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  Speaker 1: in the truck. Yeah. Yeah. So Joel has decided, like
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  Speaker 1: after ever he read the letter I'm trying to find
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  Speaker 1: my brother Jimmy, you st work with the fireflies, I
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: will take you with me. Ellie, I will take you
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  Speaker 1: with me because they're trying to get hurt of the fireflies.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, I think reading that letter, he was like, okay, yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'll try to. There was another scene we
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: see Ellie kind of coming in our own where she
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: goes down finds tampons, which I did appreciate that citat.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, and she looks like she's hit
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: the jackpot with those box of tampons, which that's where
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: she kind of runs into the clicker that's been buried
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  Speaker 1: underneath a rubble and she stabs him in the face.
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  Speaker 1: After having a very like contemplative morbid curiosity. Yeah, man,
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: which we are going to talk about that once again.
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  Speaker 1: Excellent recamp, Samantha, thank you you did get tears flowing.
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  Speaker 1: A gonna talk about that. As we said, we um,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: we watched these together. We're probably gonna watch all of
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: them together. Yeah, I'm sorry. I regret that I didn't
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: do it before and after shot off Anny. I really
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: should have. I might do that for episode five just
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: but I will do it before and after. It wasn't
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: good everyone, I mean it was, it was lovely. I
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: love this kind of stuff. I love I'm somebody who
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: get I get a lot of Catharsis out of this
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. I know. It doesn't do that for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I've had at least four people now it's
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: gone up like why are you doing this to me?
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's not my fault, right, um, And
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: I know we're gonna talk more about this, but this
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: is definitely a variation. And as someone who was just
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the watcher, this was so much more impactful and beautifully done.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: And the way they wrote the script was a love
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  Speaker 1: letter and it was gorgeous. Yeah, and it's been really
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: like it's sad and it's been cool at the same
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: time to how many people are writing up at it
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  Speaker 1: and how much like they cried and how how moved
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: they were by it. Um, and I should say, we
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: had a lovely meal steak sandwich which is from the game, Um,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: smashed potatoes, Russells and me and one of my other
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: good friends, Katie has been on the show. We're sitting
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: on office side of the couch and I think I
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: could just hear like sniffling from her sniffling me and
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I cried so hard that the next day I stayed
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: over at Samantha's. The next day I came down, my
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: face was so swollen. I did not see her right
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: in front of me, in front of me. I was like,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I saw something. I was like, my face is still
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: a little Yes, we recorded yesterday as well, and you
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: were like, I just stopped trying, essentially, and then I
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: left and watching it a good and crying and started trying. Yeah. Um,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: And I knew I'd read a bunch of things. I
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: think I've been teasing it and I knew this one
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: was going to be a a real heartbreaker. I did
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: want to talk about like the biggest thing obviously with
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: this one is the departure from the game and is
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the story of Bill and Frank. So here's the part
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: we I'm gonna talk about what happens in the game
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: if you really don't want to know, it is different.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Um So, it's also really easy to miss, as I said,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: so honestly, you'd probably be fine. But so in the game,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: um you need the car battery and you go to
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: what's called um Bill's town because he's just booby trapped.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Everything just everything is booby trapped, and he lives there
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: by himself, and he's more like TESSAs friend, but it's
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: still a very like transactional what supplies can we get
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: each other? And come to find out via reading notes
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Frank is his romantic partner, and Frank has killed himself
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: to get away from Bill, or that's not what the
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: note says. It's like, I can't take one more day
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: with you. I would rather be dead than living next
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: to a miserable person like him. And it's like, like
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I said, you can miss it. You could literally bypass
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: most of this. Um So, it's like a really dark story,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: and I get what they were trying to do they're
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: trying to tell you, like, well, who who is surviving
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: this and what does it take to survive it? And
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: it doesn't look like the quote heavy quote like good
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: people are surviving. It seems like kind of these like
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: really miserable that's what it takes to survive in this world.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: And Frank has has killed himself. And they don't even
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: say like outright that their partners, but it's very clearly implied. Yeah,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: so that story is very subtle. Um, I will say,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: like there are moments in the show where we think
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: that's going to happen. So when he runs out the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: door arguing like, yeah, miserable doing this, I can't do
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: it like you you need to let me do me
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: to be happy. So they did this. The writers did
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: this on purpose too much with us, I know, because
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, well, I'm going to talk
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: about that in a second, because there's a couple of
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: reasons why I love what they did so much better
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: in the show, and some of them have been really
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: poignantly written about. Because a lot of people have already
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: written about this, I did want to say. I read
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: an interesting article from the creator about like the importance
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: of not only hiring since Murray Bartlett played played Frank,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: who is a gay man, but he also hired like
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: a queer like camera people, middle aged queer camera people,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and like the in the story and that the director
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: was so it was like diversity and like multiple levels.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: It wasn't just Um the actor. And we talked about
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: that with Nick Offerman in it, who I also read
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of interviews with him and about how seriously
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: he took this and how he knew, like everyone working
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: on this new like this is a huge deal and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: we can't mess it up because you don't see this
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: that often on television. You don't see it in action
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and horror and video game world, like right, you don't
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: see this, and you don't see it played out as
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a genuine love story. You see it being kitchy or
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: comical or dramatic. But this was just genuine sweet love
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: like kindness. Yeah. Yeah, And that's one of the things
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: that I was immediately when they first meet. I was like, oh,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: like because it Um Frank is Bill is very much
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: He even says like the survivalist. He has this kind
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: of like outward persona where we talked about afterwards, like
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: was it internalized homophobia. Was it the like Apocalypse made
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: him feel like, Oh I can be myself or do
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: this um or whatever it is. But that scene where
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: he's irving like this very lovely meal and then he
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: brings out the wine and he's like, I know, I
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: don't see like the type, and Frank just says so sincerely, like,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: oh no, yeah you do. It was just like a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: really lovely like because there's so many stereotypes and tropes
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: in there that really shouldn't be there, but they are,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and so it was just such a nice like. And
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: then you get to see Bill playing the piano and
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: he's singing this song, very like moving emotional song, and
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: he's a masculine dude like Nick Offerman, even his outside
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: persona is a very masculine dude. I mean, I love
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the names. That's just pretty much him as Ron Swanson
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: being placed with the lines from the Last of Us Again.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: You and I talked about and my partner and I
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: talked about that. At first, I was concerned. I was like,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: why is Nick Afferman, who is very openly uh in
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a relationship with Mega mallally, so like it's seem kind
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: of like, you know this seems kind of could they
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: have done this wrong? But the conversation is it is
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: a very masculine dude who has never been able to
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: face his own self, UM, which is why he's like,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I've never done this, I've never been that, but discovering
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that person with him. And it's also this conversation and
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I read that recently an interview with the director UM
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: where he said, it's this conversation of maybe he's not
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: even necessarily gay, but he was in love with Frank.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: It was the person that was it, Frank. He found
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the one he loved and it was Frank. It's not
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: about sexuality discovering that. It was that And I don't
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: want to take away from that, but like the truth
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: of the matter is, this is a conversation I've had
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: with you about like I identify as heterosexual. That's never
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: been a thing. I've never been with a woman. I've
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: never been really attracted to a woman. But at the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: same time, I do love people. So there could be
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: this conversation of like, if I met someone else and
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: they happened to be identifying as a woman or as
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: non binary or what, that doesn't matter. I would be
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: in love with that person, and that's that whole spectrum
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: of sexuality that we've been talking about that it doesn't
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: really need I get labels, and it's good to have
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: labels if you need that and understanding who you are.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But it could be as simple as I love this
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: person and he loved Frank with all his heart and
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: he did not know love like that until he met Frank,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: and that could win the story and not necessarily anything
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: else being the byeline. And of course Nick Offerman understands
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that love. Mm hmm. Yeah. It's been a lot of
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: interesting conversations and things written about it because I remember
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the first time I played the second one and no spoilers,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I promised, but the second one has queer storylines as well,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and they were still they're still homophobia, and I remember
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: being so disappointed. It's not like those things go away
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: right like. But I was like, there's zombies, the world
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: is ending, and you're still doing this. So there I read.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I read an article with the creator to where he
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: was like, what would it be, you know, in the
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: in the world after this, would we still hold onto
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: those things or would we not? And I do love
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: like that scene where they're fighting again as Samantha said,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: it really was setting you up, like, oh, it's coming,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: it's coming. But it was such like a sweet they're
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: different people, but he did kind of he was like okay,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: he wasn't happy about it, but he's like, all right,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: what you want to pay, we'll have the dinner party.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: It was it was a little bit of comic relief. Um.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: So this was a quote from the interview from Inverse
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: with Peter Whore. He says, and he's talking about Nick
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Offerman playing this character and why Bill was so complicated.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: He says, he was never going to naturally discover who
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: he was to fall in love with or who we
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: found attractive until Frank came along. And even then it
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: wasn't just about being a man. It was because he
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: was Frank. It was because Frank is Frank. I felt
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: like it was about making sure to keep reminding them
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: all of that. And he goes, it's not as complicated
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: perhaps as it sounds, is about heart and love and truth,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and I love that. And I was like, yeah, oh god, yeah,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: this makes to me. Yes, And also like going back
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: to you, these like tropes we see, these stereotypes, we
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: see not just with career characters which just was like
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: men and a man like Nicoperman slash Bill. I think
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that scene where Frank kind of takes over and it's like,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I sais your first time like being very like kind
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: and careful and very consentual, you know, like hey, and
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and having because in our society it's like men. Of
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: course you manly man. You've had so much sex and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: that's your conquest with women and that's how you. But
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: he just said kind of like no one time with
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the girl, and I don't know, there was something about
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: that that was nice too. It was sort of a
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: refreshing change on that and I liked that Frank kind
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: of it's like, okay, well we'll start with the simple
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: things and we'll figure it out. Like it was just
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: very sweet. What Yeah, So we're kind of moving into
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the territory I want to talk about where why I
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: think it was so much better that they did it
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: this way than how they did in the game. One
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: is because there are a couple of tropes here that
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: are kind of immediately concerning because they've been handled so
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: badly before. And one is, you know, with queer love
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: stories of the last time they do die, and that
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: is what happened to you. But it wasn't like a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: tragic Oh we never knew these people and they got
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: killed off. It was like finding joy. It was seeing
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the life that they lived, which was quite a long
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: life that they lived together and finding joy and finding
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: purpose in each other in this apocalypse. And I was
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: telling you, like, I've made this outline of how I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: think every episode the show is going to go, and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: it's so grim every I'm like, Oha, how are they
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: going to do this? So it was such a nice
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: thing to see, like finding that humanity and finding that
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: connection and finding that love in the context of this
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: um zombie apocalypse. Well that's the thing is, like they
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: didn't die, they didn't get killed off violently, they didn't
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: go through and and try to save someone, or they
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: weren't murdered by because of who they were. None of
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that happened. They grew older together and they decided to
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: go out together and talking about how happy their days were,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: how some of the days were bad and they were
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: all worth it with each other. And later also like
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: the whole ending of him like I want you to
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: hold me for the last time, that was such a
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: moment because that they grew into this loving relationship and
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: it was loving, like everything they had was about love,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and even that being just them, they were content. Yeah.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Well and they did really good job of that too,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: because you could tell like they were different people. They
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: were very different people. Um, And they had fights and
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: disagreements and the days weren't easy. Um. But that was
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: something else that I really liked was when oh, no,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: I'm getting to your eye. Even when he says, like
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Bill says at the end, like I'm satisfied. It's not
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that they like like all my lives are so our
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: lives are so miserable. Let's just ended. It's like, well,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: we had a lot of good days together. I want
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: to go with you. Oh right, and she's crying. All
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: is happening. Um, And I do love that way they
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: closed out. I didn't talk about this. They closed out
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the scene with an ode to the video game, which
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: is where you start to say play or not start
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: is a window open with bris. They intentionally did that
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: at the end as an ode to the game. Yes,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: oh my god. Yes, But I also liked that that
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you never see their bodies, it's not Yeah, I really
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: liked that because we've talked about that with able is
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: m and kind of that whole you know, oh, I'm
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: in a wheelchair. I'd rather be dead. It didn't give
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: me that vibe at all. It just kind of gave
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: me like, you know, I'm happy and it's it's not
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: gonna write. And I think the biggest part of that
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: is that he had pain. Um. He had so much pain,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and that was kind of that conversation is like I'm
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: all I'm doing is hurting UM. And of course, yeah,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: there's always a conversation about able is UM, but also
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: free will and free choice. There's so much to that
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: um in the conversation UM. But he had found joy
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: for the longest time up until the point that he
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: couldn't handle the pain. And I think he think in
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: sinuated he's been in a wheelchair for a minute. Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And it was so nice, like they didn't just show
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the sad time like that scene with the strawberry. Oh
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: my god, oh god. It was like such a joyful
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: thing that they shared to the giggle on the joy
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and the fact that Frank hid that for a while.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: That because it takes like a good six months to
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: grow like that size. It looked really good though. I
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: will say that it did oh my gosh. And then
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I I did want to say that this will probably
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: be my like ominous hint of the of the episode
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: because they have those kind of behind the scenes things
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: at the end of you know what was going on
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: in this when they were making it and creating it.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: And one of the things I think Neil Jackman, who
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: made the video game said was like where love can
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: take you? And so I think this was like a
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: happy example, whereas in the game it wasn't, but in
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: this it was a happy example. But I would yeah,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I would say that's a very good outline for this
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: whole show is where love can take you, and that
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: can be very bad and that can be very good,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: and it can be in between a lot um. There
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: is definitely the comparison to Joel with the note where
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: he's talking about like protect tests, I gotta protect Frank.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: He says, men like us protect and then he's wearing
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: the shirt. It's a lot of comparison of like, well,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: what will Joel, Where will love take Joel? So I'll
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: leave that there, and then I yeah, we need to
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: briefly touch on Ellie. I think, of course, because this
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: was uh we're we're somebath that I were talking about this.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is a big departure, but she's
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: definitely um. She's a little like Harsher is too strong,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: but like a Rougher edged. For the beginning of the game,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: she's Bella Ramsey's portrayaled her is edged and so like
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: this seemer. She kills the zombie, which she doesn't tell
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Joel about. She stole the gun, doesn't tell Joel about it.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: She I like how they did. Really, they're already planting
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the seeds. That she's very insecure and how she's going
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to survive in this world because she kept asking like, well,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: what if Bill and francart there? What if Bill and
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: franc won't take me? Which is I mean, yeah, it
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: would be terrifying. What is going to happen to me?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Are you just going to leave me if they're not there? Uh?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: And we also at the same time see Joel trying
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: to protect Ellie's innocence, where he's like, no, we should
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: will take the longer way. I don't want you to
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: go that way because you'll see something you don't want
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: to see. And that's where the man scrape site is.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Whereas Ellie immediately it is like, well, now I have
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: to go see it. And I think that's the dichotomy
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: of he grew up in this time where he remembers
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: like his daughter Sarah, and he remembers like that kind
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: of protecting level of children. Ellie has never really known
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: that she's just growing up in a zombie apocalypse worlds
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: or that sort of part of her life, and so
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I think that's sort of a push and pull between
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: them of him really wanting to protect what he views
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: is like her childish innocence and her being really really
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: frustrated because she's like that this is the world we're living.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah when we were talking about it, like
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: the way I interpreted, both of them are a little
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: different as where the Ellie in the game to me
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: was more willing to go with everything. Joel said a
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: little few definitely a lot of questions, but it was like, Okay,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: didn't push too hard. The Bella ramsay, Ellie, she does
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: that too. She pushes, she pushes, but then she knows
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: when the stop was he makes the face um and
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: she backs off. But like the whole killing of the zombie,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the moment that as the director was saying was like,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you know, from episode two, episode one, she is intrigued
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: by him beating the hell out of that guard and
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: not disgusted, which was the opposite reaction to Sarah from
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Sarah who was like of horrified to see that she
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: had killed that monster who was a neighbor. But like,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the differences are pretty pretty stark. Again, this has to
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: do that, Yes, Ellie has been alone, She's seen some
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: essentially um and she's just waiting her turn to die.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: It seems um, So that makes sense to that. But yeah,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: there's a small difference in the attitudes on how Ashley Johnson,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the voice of the original Ellie portrayed it versus what
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Bella rams He's doing with this role. But again, Bella Ramsy,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: her whole persona is a little bit tougher. We saw
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: that with the Game of Thrones, like she was intense,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and this does fit that as survival mode. Yeah, well,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I also think it's interesting because we did talk about
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: this too. Like I said, I think Ashley Johnson just
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: kind of has a her voice and her the way
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: she approached it in the game, which is kind of softer.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: She's still like she curses like a sailor. I would
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: never miss with her, but she I think the way
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: they did it was much more And we're depending on
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Ellie four these rare, bright moments of happies, which does
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: still happen because she'll still be like, oh wow, I've
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: never been in the woods while I've never done this
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: in this and sort of that child like wonder. But
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I think also because we know, because you and I
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: the insiders, know what happens in the second one and
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: how it ends. The first one ends, I feel, oh no,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: another ominous hint. I feel like they're they're kind of
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: planting other seats. Well now, the director said that behind
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: the scenes, like you, you're you're seeing something different for
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: a reason outside of just her environment currently that that
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: definitely is the whole thing, and it only grows. I mean,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: in that environment, can you be eating more than kellis? Though?
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: And that's the question, that's a question. Um, where does
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: love take Ellie? This is your this is like your
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: hypothesis for every episode, be like, where does love go
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: in this one? Oh gosh? And I also told Samantha,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I think I've said this in previous ones. I do
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: have like a kind of overarching I'm a sacretique, but
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: some critique, but like thoughts about these tropes, I'm saving
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: them for the last one because I think like even
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: just talking about them without spoiling them is spoiling them,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: if that makes sense. So just know that that is coming.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And a lot of stuff with Ellie's characters sort of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: tricky to talk about. But she does have the scene
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: in the game as well where Joel puts in this
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: music and it's like, oh, that's so good, and she's
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: like whatever, but then they bond over the they bond
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: of the music so that you can see the bonding
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: is happenings, it is beginning. I did want to mention
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the awkward dinner party. There is that awkward dinner party
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: between Ole and Tests and Bill and Frank and I
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: loved it because it was so awkward. It was so
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: good a frankling Bill really, yes. And the lowering of
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the gun yes, well, we were talking about it too.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: It's so funny how like a lot of times couples
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: do kind of not always they'll they'll kind of follow
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: along those lines. And we've got the one that's like, oh,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I do not want to be here, and the other
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: ones like I want friends test is sort of that version,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: and then Francs for that version. I like seeing them
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: kind of bond, right, I did. I love that. I've
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: always been meaning to mention. This is largely based on
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a book called The World Without Us, which is um
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: a book is about what would happen if humanity just disappeared.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So a lot of the like imagery and all that
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: stuff comes from that. There is a documentary about the
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: game and how the game is made, and it's awesome.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Obviously wait till you finished the show if you don't
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: want to be surprised, but it's really cool. It's got
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: a fun alternate ending. And then just to say yeah,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: like the response after this one has been like hugely positive,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: but just so many people, especially in the queer space,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: like you know, I haven't seen this or it's just
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: especially as I said, in this sort of like action
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: horror video game realm. So that's why I'm glad they
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: did it this way as opposed to oh you just
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: bring stead body, This is so much better. Yes, agreed, Agreed,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I was wrong in my next week predictions. I was
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: wrong about the bloater, but I did you heard me
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: talk about it for where I had revised my my
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: prediction because it's too early. It's not the game, but
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: in the show, right, I think I know what happens
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the next one. That is too much more spoiler. But
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: intence trauma every I mean every every time, every time,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: every time. Oh my gosh, what an emotional roller coaster
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: this is. I probably watched it again tonight. I don't know.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I know you will, you will. Ah well, thank you,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you Samantha Hosting for supporting me my passions.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you listeners. I hope you're enjoying it. I have
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: enjoyed all of my I mean, it does kind of overwhelming,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: but I've enjoyed all the messages I've gotten about it,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: especially the like why threw my arms up in the air?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: You could see it? But uh oh wow, I can't
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: wait for the next episode. I think I texted you
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the next day. I was like, I'm so excited, so excited,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: be on lookout for that. As we said, these are
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: coming out every Saturday, a week after the newest episode
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: to prepare you for the next one, right right, just
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the recaps, just the recap, and uh, you know, I
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: could talk about this forever. I think the second I
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: think the last episode is going to be two parter,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: but we'll see. But then we'll go back to our
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: regularly scheduled ash programming. Promise, promise, promise. If you have
• 40:00
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• 40:09
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• 40:18
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• 40:22
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