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Capítulo 073: What's in your bag? with The Bag Ladiez · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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Speaker 1: Love radio, radio, Radio Commies of myth and Bullshit radio
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Speaker 1: phonic novella Local Radio hosted by Malamno Locamotives. Welcome back
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Speaker 1: to local radio. Welcome back, Welcome back. This is my
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Speaker 1: La and I'm Fiosa and we are last local local Radio.
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Speaker 1: A radio phonic novella, which is just a really really
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Speaker 1: extra way of saying a podcast. We have a really
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Speaker 1: exciting interview coming up, Mala, Can you introduce our guest. Yes,
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Speaker 1: we are delighted and pleased UM to invite the bag
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Speaker 1: Ladies of bag Ladies podcast is Stefanie and Lena onto
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Speaker 1: local Radio. We did a collaborative episode with them a
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Speaker 1: while back, and we wanted to do another one so
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Speaker 1: that we each had an interview on each other's UM,
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Speaker 1: you know project. So, uh, we want to invite you
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Speaker 1: to share space with us and bag Ladies. It's a
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Speaker 1: fun interview. We talked about Hispanic Heritage month, We're Things
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Speaker 1: White Women did this week in spoke behind starting a podcast,
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Speaker 1: um and reflections on being indie podcasters now for the
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Speaker 1: past three to four years. Yes, so just a little
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Speaker 1: bit about them. Bag Ladies is a podcast about baggage. Yours,
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Speaker 1: mine and ours created by two Dominican Afro Latin X podcasters.
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Speaker 1: Through the podcast, their goal is to help themselves and
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Speaker 1: their listeners by pushing themselves to be vulnerable about the
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Speaker 1: way that the world affects them and their ability to
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Speaker 1: live their truest, most authentic lives. So we're really excited
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Speaker 1: to bring them onto the podcast. They are two amazing individuals,
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Speaker 1: beautiful inside and out. So here is the bag Ladies.
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Speaker 1: We are so excited to welcome the amazing podcasters bag Ladies.
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Speaker 1: Lena and Stephanie are in the bit. Well, actually they're
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Speaker 1: not in the building. They're on the phone. They're on
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Speaker 1: the phone. They're joining us today. Welcome via Google hang Out.
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Speaker 1: Can you say hello to our lookalmotives. Introduce yourselves please.
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Speaker 1: So we are the bag Ladies, where a podcast about baggage,
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Speaker 1: how to let go and how to go through it?
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Speaker 1: Are saying is let us help you, help us help
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Speaker 1: you with your baggage. And I'm a Stephanie and I'm
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Speaker 1: Lena together over the back Ladies's gonna be the back Ladies. Yes, um,
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Speaker 1: and I guess who am I? My name is Stephanie,
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Speaker 1: UM a bronze baby. I'm currently a producer, podcast producer.
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Speaker 1: I work with m I'm damn I'm trying to think
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Speaker 1: how to do a little fun, a little Finnesse. So
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Speaker 1: I'll start from here. I'll start from here. So Hi,
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Speaker 1: I'm Stephanie and I am a the co host Bactaries
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Speaker 1: obviously that's why I'm here, and I'm also a producer.
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Speaker 1: I'm living in Brooklyn, slowly trying to transition back to
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Speaker 1: the Bronze. I'm a Latin next person and i love
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Speaker 1: to tell stories and I'm super excited. Yes, Elina. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so I'm the other half of Bad Ladies. I'm also
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Speaker 1: from the bronx Um. I currently live in Philly though
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Speaker 1: I just graduated law school, so I'm like a lawyer
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Speaker 1: or whatever. Congratulations you um. And yeah, also I'm queer,
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Speaker 1: UM identify as non binary. And you know, we're just
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Speaker 1: out here trying to help everybody. Let go them bags
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Speaker 1: because we all struggling, Like, let's not front surely there's
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Speaker 1: a lot going on, I feel like across the board,
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Speaker 1: like politically, economically, psychically, cosmically, everyone is a little stressed out. Um,
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Speaker 1: And so we thank you for your work because it's
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Speaker 1: definitely necessary. Oh my gosh, thank you, and we appreciate
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Speaker 1: your work too, Like, you know, the capitalist white supremacists
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Speaker 1: statiarchy has been trying to kill us from day one,
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Speaker 1: but you know, still we rise or whatever. Everything we
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Speaker 1: do is kind of like part of that resistance. So
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Speaker 1: I really am excited that we've been able to like, uh,
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Speaker 1: link up and work together. Absolutely. Yes, this has been
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Speaker 1: in the making for more than a couple of months now,
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Speaker 1: so we're really excited that this is finally happening. Um,
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Speaker 1: just to get us started, you know, you introduced your
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Speaker 1: podcast to us already and what you do and who
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Speaker 1: you are, but I'm really curious as to what the
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Speaker 1: inspiration was to begin Bad Ladies mm hmm. So we
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Speaker 1: started Bad Ladies back in towards the end at the
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Speaker 1: end of and we were both getting into podcasts, like
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Speaker 1: just listening to a lot of podcasts, most of you
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Speaker 1: were listening to The Read and we were just like,
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Speaker 1: there's not a lot of podcasts out here with black
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Speaker 1: people and people of color, and there's also like no
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Speaker 1: podcasters that sound like us or have similar life experiences.
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Speaker 1: So we were like why And we had been friends
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Speaker 1: for a long time and Stephanie and not we've known
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Speaker 1: each other since we were kids. We were just kind
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Speaker 1: of like, you know, like we have a good rapport,
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Speaker 1: We have a lot we used to talk about political
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Speaker 1: things and emotional and we had started working on our
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Speaker 1: friendship and therapy and all this stuff, and we're like,
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Speaker 1: I feel like there's there's an audience out there for us,
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Speaker 1: Like there are people who might want to hear what
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Speaker 1: we have to say, Like, and this is such a
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Speaker 1: it's supposed to be like such a democratic kind of
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Speaker 1: medium that anybody could do it. You can have access,
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Speaker 1: you can make it yourself. And we were kind of like,
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Speaker 1: let's put ourselves out there and just see what happens.
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Speaker 1: And we were, yeah, we did it like very like casual.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't like casual. I mean, we're committed, but we
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Speaker 1: were just kind of we didn't know what to expect um.
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Speaker 1: And it's been like like beautiful journey since we started
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Speaker 1: the podcast. Yeah, I mean it's been so you've been
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Speaker 1: podcasting now for four years. So like we were talking
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Speaker 1: about before we started recording, we're not like little baby
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Speaker 1: podcasters anymore, Like we're really committed to this art form um.
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Speaker 1: And we were wondering, you know, like if you have
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Speaker 1: any reflections or lessons you've learned since you've started this
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Speaker 1: project and keeping it up into the future. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, for sure things that we've learned. I think
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Speaker 1: at the beginning of our podcast, we were very kind
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Speaker 1: of afraid of showing who we are, like literally because
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Speaker 1: we talked so much personal things and we're just like,
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Speaker 1: this is way too personal for me to be telling
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Speaker 1: a stranger. Yeah, we realized the impact it is to
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Speaker 1: show people who you are to not be afraid. I
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Speaker 1: think everybody was shocked that our nick names where it's
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Speaker 1: definitely and then and they're like, wait, what those are
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Speaker 1: not your real names. I'm just like, okay, Potato Potato
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Speaker 1: bro um. But it was so important for us to
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Speaker 1: be honest and open with our audience because we have like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we're going through together, so like simple things of like
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Speaker 1: showing our personal I G. Accounts and like creating an
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Speaker 1: account for people to share and creating a Twitter for
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Speaker 1: people couldn't interact with us. Like that's something that we
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Speaker 1: definitely learned, Like yeah, like we want to talk to
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Speaker 1: you too, because like we're all going through this together,
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Speaker 1: and it's beautiful to see when people just like yo,
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Speaker 1: like I had to talk to myself about what I
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Speaker 1: needed to do and then decided to get help. And
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Speaker 1: I think that's just a really great way to kind
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Speaker 1: of help people, to be like, yeah, we all going
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Speaker 1: through ship, let's work it out together. So it's been
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Speaker 1: a really great lesson to learn. Yeah, yeah, and definitely yeah,
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Speaker 1: and definitely feel like we learned a lot about like
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Speaker 1: the work that it takes to create something out of
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Speaker 1: scratch because we literally had never really done anything like this.
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Speaker 1: We it's not like we were doing stuff on social
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Speaker 1: media like separate from this. We were just like kind of, oh,
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Speaker 1: let's create this like project. Let's see how we can
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Speaker 1: use our voices and our stories and storytell and talk
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Speaker 1: about our politics and create something out of nothing. And
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Speaker 1: you have to be like very dedicated to it because
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Speaker 1: you have to, you know, dedicate yourself to trying to
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Speaker 1: you know, perfect or like not perfect, but improve your
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Speaker 1: craft also like develop a craft and also learn all
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Speaker 1: of the other things that come along with it. Like
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Speaker 1: it's not just you know, um, we decided to do
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Speaker 1: this one day and bam, like we've been you know,
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Speaker 1: you have to work at it steadily and kind of
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Speaker 1: put a lot of energy and a lot of um,
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Speaker 1: put yourself out there and believe in yourself and know
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Speaker 1: that people are gonna, you know, respond to it and
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Speaker 1: hope that. So I think it's definitely like a lot
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Speaker 1: of different challenges for on a personal level that we
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Speaker 1: were like, oh wow, this has really helped us grow personally.
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Speaker 1: How has it been like for like your friends and family, Like,
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Speaker 1: because you do talk about personal things, right, so how
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Speaker 1: has it has there Have you found any difficulty navigating that?
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Speaker 1: Because we kind of struggle with that and like that
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Speaker 1: was like one of the reasons we are you know,
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Speaker 1: even decided to use Malondosa stage names, you know for
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Speaker 1: the podcast. You know, so like, how has it? How
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Speaker 1: do you feel like that has I don't know, has
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Speaker 1: has anything come up? Yeah? Yeah, if we get we
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Speaker 1: get commentary and feedback once in a while from our family, so, um,
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Speaker 1: you know what actually was funny in the beginning, I
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Speaker 1: definitely told a story about one of my siblings and
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Speaker 1: she was tight. She was like, that's not how it
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Speaker 1: went down, Like Lena, you are here spreading lives like that,
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Speaker 1: And I was like after that, like and then you know,
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Speaker 1: at first I was like, no, you're wrong, like that,
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Speaker 1: You're wrong, and then I had to be like, let
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Speaker 1: me listen again, like check in with myself, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: all right, maybe I wasn't telling federal you live and
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Speaker 1: you learn, and trying to approach it, like trying to
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Speaker 1: approach it like I'm not if I'm calling somebody else
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Speaker 1: because they already know that they did something, like hopefully
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Speaker 1: it's something that I've already addressed in my personal life,
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Speaker 1: and if i haven't, I guess we're about to talk
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Speaker 1: about it after you hear this episode, right, So it
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Speaker 1: could be a little dicey, but I think we try
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Speaker 1: to protect um the you know, there is like the
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Speaker 1: personal side of our lives. We try to protect that
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Speaker 1: to some extent, like you know, we're now here listen
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Speaker 1: to everybody's names and numbers whatever. So but you know,
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Speaker 1: sometimes people do get upset and it's like, well, you know,
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Speaker 1: that's how I experienced it. So maybe we need to
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Speaker 1: have a talk about what it is that you experienced
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Speaker 1: because clearly we're not on the same page. That's real. Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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Speaker 1: In so bag ladies, can you tell us about what
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Speaker 1: you put in your bag this week? And can you
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Speaker 1: can you tell us about can you explain for our
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Speaker 1: listeners what what that means for y'all on your podcast,
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Speaker 1: because we're borrowing that of course for today, because you
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Speaker 1: want to know. We want to put you on this
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Speaker 1: bottle you put in your back this week. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So for folks that don't know, we have a saxon
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Speaker 1: in our show, call put it in your bag with
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Speaker 1: something that we fought with, something that we listened to,
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Speaker 1: something that made us feel good, something that just kind
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Speaker 1: of let us enjoy our day or our our moment
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Speaker 1: of peace. So um, for me this week, I guess
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Speaker 1: what I'm going to put in my bag is my
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Speaker 1: water bottle. Sometimes it's the Sway water bottle. And this
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Speaker 1: goes through a lot. She falls like she she real
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Speaker 1: and I was just like this, but I need you
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Speaker 1: for my water and she's like here I am on
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Speaker 1: and like that's what I need for all things in
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Speaker 1: my life, but especially for my water bottle. Yes, very important.
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Speaker 1: I like that one. Yeah. Yeah. And the things we
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Speaker 1: put in our bag can be like almost anything like
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Speaker 1: we'll put like music, books and then also like a
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Speaker 1: water bottles, like different self care things like um, like
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Speaker 1: oh so you know, just things that help us like
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Speaker 1: cope I think this week I'm gonna put in my
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Speaker 1: bag macha bubble tea. Well, there's like there's a bubble
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Speaker 1: tea place near where I work. I just had a
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Speaker 1: new job and I've been going with my coworker because
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Speaker 1: it's a nice opportunity for us to have a little
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Speaker 1: ten minute walk while over there. Get our macha, get
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Speaker 1: our bubble tea, and then just like I know that
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be awake for the rest of the day.
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Speaker 1: I love Matcha is mad good and those bubbles are entertaining,
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Speaker 1: and it gives me peace when I'm like at work
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is brand new. There's a brand
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Speaker 1: new experience, and some were ship is going. But let
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Speaker 1: me just chew these bubbles. I love that. That sounds refreshing. Yes,
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Speaker 1: how about um, I am going to put in my
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Speaker 1: bags new singles. Sannaesized so and l a based artist
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Speaker 1: and we just had her at our l A Maide show,
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Speaker 1: our live show this past week and she debuted her
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Speaker 1: single at our show, which was really sweet of her.
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Speaker 1: And well now it's like you can stream it on
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Speaker 1: Spotify and it's so good. It's like disco, it's funky,
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Speaker 1: it's I like, I like it. So that's in my bag.
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Speaker 1: That's really cute. Is great, um my bag. Okay. So
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Speaker 1: at the at the market, they have these like bog
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Speaker 1: adult lunchables that are fas you know, it's charcouterie, you know,
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Speaker 1: but it's set up like a lunchable and you can
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Speaker 1: buy a different different types with salami or pascudo and
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Speaker 1: different types of cheese exact, so adult lunchables. I'm putting
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Speaker 1: all the varieties in my bag because that's what I've
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Speaker 1: been taking to work and snacking and it's keeping me
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Speaker 1: sane and I'm so grateful. So that's me. I love
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Speaker 1: its delicious. I recommend that sounds really good. The last
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Speaker 1: two days I've had those those Starbucks cheese and fruit boxes. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and it makes me but it also makes me feel good,
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Speaker 1: like I'm just like, yeah, this is all I have
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Speaker 1: time for right now, but also this is good. It's
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Speaker 1: it's hard to like girl with this cheese, but no,
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Speaker 1: it's so true. It's so true. Like I feel like
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Speaker 1: the one thing that's preventing me from veganism is cheese. Cheese.
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Speaker 1: It's literally cheese. You can't okay, I'm sorry, but vegan
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Speaker 1: cheese what's the difference between vegan cheese and velveta? Aren't
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Speaker 1: they basically the same thing? Vegan? No, you know, no
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Speaker 1: shade to the vegans. Live your life, live your truth
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Speaker 1: for whatever, but it's just no. When you just had
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Speaker 1: real cheese just immediately following it up with vegan cheese,
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Speaker 1: You're like, this ain't right now, It's off, you know?
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Speaker 1: So it is because this one time I had some
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Speaker 1: vegan cheese in the fridge and my dad grabbed it
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Speaker 1: thinking it was regular cheese, and he was he was
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Speaker 1: so upset he'd been into it and was so mad
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Speaker 1: at me, Like I brought this into the house and
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Speaker 1: he was like what he was pissed at me? It
15:26
Speaker 1: was my fault. I love that. Speaking of cheese, it's
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Speaker 1: Hispanic carricage. And are wondering about your thoughts and feelings
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Speaker 1: about that kind of carriactere? Frind, what do you what?
15:41
Speaker 1: Do you see? It's happening? Do? Do we like it?
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Speaker 1: Over it? Do? Are we ready for next? What's going on?
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Speaker 1: I just like we talked about this every year because
15:53
Speaker 1: we're just like it's like everybody's having a party, but
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Speaker 1: they gave us the wrong address. Definitely, just it was
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Speaker 1: like rave shirt, especially like black Latin next folks, Like
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Speaker 1: I remember just having a whole conversation with this random
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Speaker 1: person on Twitter, which I shouldn't but I needed to
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Speaker 1: myself as well, um and talking about like I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: like you know this comes around every year where like
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Speaker 1: you know, like history is a race and these things happen,
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Speaker 1: and like, yes, there are outlets that are trying and
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Speaker 1: doing more and like we get that, but you know
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Speaker 1: when people get upset where we like talk about like hey,
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Speaker 1: like there is the race shirt. Yes, these things just
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Speaker 1: kind of oh my no, it's not Why are you
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Speaker 1: so naging and like why can't we just have a
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Speaker 1: month to celebrate, Like come on, like I there's a
16:44
Speaker 1: black Marby. What do you mean? You know? It's like
16:46
Speaker 1: all right, racism is overtisms over. I have a problem
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Speaker 1: for like the name like Hispanic character. I don't really
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Speaker 1: know people who identify as his Spanic, especially I feel
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Speaker 1: like black a lot of black Latino people. I can't
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Speaker 1: speak for everybody, but Hispanic is just not a word
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Speaker 1: that that's the first word that they're going to come
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Speaker 1: out with. IM like, off off rip the name. I'm
17:11
Speaker 1: already like I got questions, and then where we do
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Speaker 1: see like what is being you know, like spread and
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Speaker 1: like most promoted, we're seeing like who do we see
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Speaker 1: on these screens. I'm I saw two women from Spain
17:25
Speaker 1: to those two Spanish women musicians like Latino Hispanic characters,
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, Y're not Latina, like you know, you're
17:35
Speaker 1: a white woman from who speaks Spanish like and they
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Speaker 1: it's an issue and I'm just yeah, they absolutely know
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Speaker 1: the difference too, because like when I was over, they
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Speaker 1: definitely one percent. Now I was in Spain um this
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Speaker 1: summer and it's very obvious who are like Spaniards and
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Speaker 1: who are Latin Americans because there's a lot of Latin
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Speaker 1: Americans in Spain. People are so racist, very wild, and
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Speaker 1: they're not like there's not camaraderie. They're not like reaching
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Speaker 1: out and joining in community and whatever whatever, like it's
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Speaker 1: that's not what it is. So on this side of things,
18:09
Speaker 1: when I when we see people like so fiercely defending
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Speaker 1: like Rosalias and the others, I'm like, it's very one
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Speaker 1: sided because they're not doing the same on the other
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Speaker 1: side of the coin, like they're not interested on that level.
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Speaker 1: But like Latin Americans are like, you know, us Latinos
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Speaker 1: fiercely like no wanting to claim them when they don't
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Speaker 1: want to claim. I was telling Molla about this Billboard
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Speaker 1: article that I saw this Cuban journalist wrote about Rosalia
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Speaker 1: and how like Latin purest, we're like not a lot,
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Speaker 1: Like we're like upset about her being her winning the
18:43
Speaker 1: what was it? What awarded she went recently with Ja
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Speaker 1: Baldin What was that? I don't know, was it at
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Speaker 1: the Billboards? Okay? Anyway, so she wins this award, right,
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Speaker 1: So this journalist is like calling these Latin X folks
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Speaker 1: that are calling out the whole situation purest, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I've never heard that, you know, I've never heard. I mean,
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Speaker 1: when I hear that, it makes me think, like, at
19:07
Speaker 1: the end of the day, there are white people in
19:09
Speaker 1: Latin America and in the Caribbean, and they do the
19:12
Speaker 1: same ship that white people here in the United States
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Speaker 1: due to black and brown people. Like, let's not get
19:18
Speaker 1: a twist that you speak Spanish, but are you still
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Speaker 1: a white supremacist because people will straight up question like
19:24
Speaker 1: you see people like Madagra or like people like La
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Speaker 1: La and no, people will question their Latina so it's
19:31
Speaker 1: like Latin Latino identity sometimes it's just so wrapped up
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Speaker 1: in these ideas of whiteness and we see it all
19:37
Speaker 1: over like Latin American like media diasporic ship, like where's
19:42
Speaker 1: where's the brown there's you will watch and it would
19:45
Speaker 1: be like in Mexico and everybody's white. How that still
19:50
Speaker 1: it's still bubbles the mind definitely. And then like someone
19:54
Speaker 1: like a Cardi B, who is her Latina is always
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Speaker 1: questioned and I can see that in the comments and
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Speaker 1: like the main in like the and then it's not
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Speaker 1: even mainstream, but like when any anytime they do any
20:05
Speaker 1: coverage on Cardi B, there's always like folks in the
20:08
Speaker 1: comments like I don't understand why Cardi B Is being covered.
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Speaker 1: If she's she's she's African American, she's not. It's anti
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Speaker 1: black and Latinos. That's problem. That's the problem with the
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Speaker 1: Latino community is that people don't want to acknowledge their
20:21
Speaker 1: anti indigenous, anti black sentiments. They're like, oh, we want
20:24
Speaker 1: to have big, happy family and like we're really not.
20:27
Speaker 1: And it's interesting um that you bring up you know,
20:30
Speaker 1: hispanic um as an identifier because something that we we
20:35
Speaker 1: use over here, Like there are older like especially Chicanos
20:40
Speaker 1: who um or like you know, third second, third generation,
20:45
Speaker 1: like Mexican Americans who are like more conservative, who will say, oh,
20:49
Speaker 1: they identify as a capital H Hispanic Like that's its
20:52
Speaker 1: own thing, Like that's its own type of person here
20:55
Speaker 1: because of their politics and because of like acculturation and
20:59
Speaker 1: all of these things. So here it's like a specific
21:02
Speaker 1: conservative type of capital H Hispanics. Yeah right right, which
21:10
Speaker 1: we're not necessarily in community with that. They're all over
21:13
Speaker 1: the place, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, what I was
21:18
Speaker 1: just gonna say, like for sure, like I imagine that
21:21
Speaker 1: all these folks, all these people people exist and like
21:24
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I I understand that, you know, people,
21:28
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to tell people like what to
21:30
Speaker 1: claim themselves, but like I just think that, like it's
21:34
Speaker 1: so important to know that there's more than just you
21:36
Speaker 1: and your family and the people. You know, Like the
21:39
Speaker 1: world is so big you cannot assume that like anybody's
21:43
Speaker 1: like this and it's impossible. That's like I don't know,
21:47
Speaker 1: Like you don't go it's like getting one apple and
21:49
Speaker 1: assuming all apples are red, Like you're gonna look stupid.
21:53
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta really let yourself be able to
21:57
Speaker 1: question what you think is thing. Yeah, and I think
22:01
Speaker 1: that's that's You're right, Like that's what it is. I
22:04
Speaker 1: feel like people are so they hold on so tight
22:06
Speaker 1: to their identities because because language changes fast and how
22:10
Speaker 1: we identify and like, yeah, there are gonna be words
22:13
Speaker 1: that there's still there are things we're going to learn
22:15
Speaker 1: about identity that we still don't even know I have
22:18
Speaker 1: words for yet. But we need to be okay with
22:20
Speaker 1: like the expansion of that language. But people feel like
22:23
Speaker 1: they're being attacked and people are saying, oh, no, you
22:25
Speaker 1: can't exist, and that's not what nobody's saying. People are saying,
22:29
Speaker 1: we also exist, right, Yeah, people are uncomfortable with like
22:35
Speaker 1: sharing the stage, absolutely don't. They don't like it and
22:39
Speaker 1: don't like change it like stresses them out. But for
22:43
Speaker 1: the actual reason because what is at loss here? Like
22:48
Speaker 1: what is there really to lose at like opening up
22:51
Speaker 1: the identity and the circle and the conversation is my question? Yeah,
22:57
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I definitely I'm sorry, no, no no,
23:00
Speaker 1: to go ahead. I was just gonna say, like I
23:03
Speaker 1: just kind of think it's like, what are they without racism?
23:06
Speaker 1: You know? When I think that's like something that they're like, damn,
23:09
Speaker 1: like am I really basic or am I good? I'm
23:12
Speaker 1: just like I don't know. It's basically I don't know.
23:15
Speaker 1: Just yeah, right, it's like the cognitive dissonance of like,
23:21
Speaker 1: you know, supremacy of like racial supremacy, white supremacy. Yeah,
23:25
Speaker 1: because and it's like it's like you know, revealing that well,
23:29
Speaker 1: the things you thought that you accomplished, maybe you didn't
23:32
Speaker 1: actually accomplish, they were like part of the part of
23:36
Speaker 1: the privilege. Yeah yeah, And I mean that's the that's
23:40
Speaker 1: it's also a part of capitalism, right, and white supremacy.
23:44
Speaker 1: They're telling us where the white people are, like where
23:47
Speaker 1: normal and only some of you all get to be
23:49
Speaker 1: up here with us, and so then we're like fighting
23:52
Speaker 1: for fucking scraps, Like no, like the whole ship is fucked,
23:56
Speaker 1: Like there is no normalcy where white people who white
24:00
Speaker 1: people are like the normal and we're the other. Like no,
24:02
Speaker 1: we're all we should all be able to shine, we
24:05
Speaker 1: should all be able to have something to be able
24:07
Speaker 1: to survive and thrive, but we've been ripped away, like
24:10
Speaker 1: that has been ripped away from us, but just by
24:12
Speaker 1: white people wanted to have everything and leave us with
24:14
Speaker 1: nothing at our expense. You know, I think too a
24:18
Speaker 1: lot about how all the reboots and remakes of like
24:23
Speaker 1: all these movies are kind of a way for them
24:26
Speaker 1: to just continue to not to gate keep because the
24:29
Speaker 1: movie was already made, you know, the representation was already had,
24:33
Speaker 1: and you're literally just creating like replicas and copies to
24:37
Speaker 1: like fill up the space instead of allowing new ideas
24:41
Speaker 1: and faces in. You know, like they're not even creating
24:45
Speaker 1: new stuff. It's just more of the same to just
24:47
Speaker 1: like fill up the marquee, which is crazy to me. Yeah, yeah,
24:53
Speaker 1: it's basically it's like I feel like that makes me think,
24:56
Speaker 1: like basically, like none of your new ideas are good.
24:59
Speaker 1: We're already came up with everything, even though we mostly
25:01
Speaker 1: stole it from Yeah. And we will allow one more
25:05
Speaker 1: light skin one of Yeah, who is pretty much passes
25:09
Speaker 1: for white on a regular basis to come in here representation.
25:12
Speaker 1: Why aren't you happy? And it's like no, because we
25:15
Speaker 1: wanted to our own stories, our way, and that's what's
25:18
Speaker 1: being that's what we're being prevented from doing, right, right,
25:22
Speaker 1: That's a good segue into the next topic that we
25:24
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up with y'all is UM storytelling through podcasting, right,
25:29
Speaker 1: So one of the amazing things about podcasting and we
25:32
Speaker 1: definitely like relate with y'all and how it has been
25:35
Speaker 1: very d I Y for us UM and it did
25:37
Speaker 1: feel like a very like somewhat accessible platform to be
25:41
Speaker 1: able to create, even though it actually is a lot
25:44
Speaker 1: of work, but it still felt more accessible than than
25:48
Speaker 1: anything else, right considering when we started, which was in UM. So,
25:52
Speaker 1: I just want to hear from y'all, like, what has
25:55
Speaker 1: it been like to tell your stories create space for
25:59
Speaker 1: other folks in your community being able to uplift their
26:02
Speaker 1: voices through your platform. UM, how do you feel, like
26:07
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that the storytelling aspect of
26:09
Speaker 1: the podcast? Mm hmm. One. I just definitely think is
26:17
Speaker 1: so important for different types of folks to tell their
26:22
Speaker 1: stories because I think the way that we grow in
26:25
Speaker 1: empathy and they grow and like as the humanity is
26:29
Speaker 1: to listen to our share stories. And I think sometimes
26:34
Speaker 1: we think that people are so different from us because
26:36
Speaker 1: like you know, we speak a different language, or like
26:38
Speaker 1: you know, we're not from the same neighborhood, but like
26:41
Speaker 1: we could all talk about how we struggle and with anxiety.
26:44
Speaker 1: We can talk about how we all struggle with mental
26:47
Speaker 1: health issues and things of that nature. We can all
26:50
Speaker 1: talk about how student al suck. Like there are still
26:53
Speaker 1: common grounds that people have, and I think with the podcast,
26:56
Speaker 1: we have definitely learned that, like damn, we wouldn't assume
27:00
Speaker 1: that people like this will struggle with this, but it
27:02
Speaker 1: seems like this is like an overall big issue, um,
27:08
Speaker 1: And especially when we started the podcast, like we had
27:11
Speaker 1: like these like shitty as twenty dollar mics and you know,
27:17
Speaker 1: I remember the day that we were both at uh
27:21
Speaker 1: uh what was it. I think it was Best five,
27:23
Speaker 1: we were best Buy and we were like literally on
27:25
Speaker 1: eight six Street that best Buy shout out to you.
27:29
Speaker 1: That's from my service, Um, not the best price, but
27:34
Speaker 1: that's another thing. But like I definitely remember a sitting
27:39
Speaker 1: are standing, I'm like, are we really gonna buy a
27:41
Speaker 1: hundred dollar mics and knowing that we both didn't have
27:44
Speaker 1: it in our bank account and being like yo were
27:47
Speaker 1: serious about telling these stories, like are we really serious
27:50
Speaker 1: about this? Like we're gonna buy it? And we went
27:52
Speaker 1: downstairs and we bought those YETI mics that we still
27:54
Speaker 1: have today and that we're still used today. But it
27:58
Speaker 1: was just that realization of just like Yo, we want
28:00
Speaker 1: to keep doing this ship. We want to keep talking
28:02
Speaker 1: to people. We want to make sure that our voices
28:07
Speaker 1: are heard, and when we have guests, that their stories
28:10
Speaker 1: are heard, and when we have topics that people can
28:13
Speaker 1: listen to that because it's important. It's important to see
28:17
Speaker 1: and to hear people like you. Because I think one
28:20
Speaker 1: thing that we always get commented on and people talk about,
28:23
Speaker 1: like you, I really sucked the way I really funk
28:25
Speaker 1: with how you have accents. I love the fact that
28:28
Speaker 1: yeah are like two bronze bitches dominican Um trying to
28:32
Speaker 1: be out here in capitalism, and we really funk with
28:35
Speaker 1: that because you know, so many times the Bronx gets
28:38
Speaker 1: so much hate for just being Bronx, for surviving and
28:41
Speaker 1: resistent and building community. People hate on the Bronx all
28:44
Speaker 1: the time. And to know, like, Yo, we're from the Bronx.
28:46
Speaker 1: We fucking it, We funk with it every fucking day,
28:49
Speaker 1: and they that's the place that grew up and I
28:52
Speaker 1: want people to know that we exist, were important and
28:55
Speaker 1: things of that nature. So the podcast has really gave
28:58
Speaker 1: us a platform to tell those stories and to continue
29:01
Speaker 1: to talk those stories. Yeah, um, definitely, I feel like
29:06
Speaker 1: going off what you're saying. Like, one of my favorite
29:08
Speaker 1: things about podcasting is how different people's voices can sound.
29:14
Speaker 1: I feel like even podcasting, like there's a very people
29:16
Speaker 1: are supposed to sound a certain way, right, Like people
29:18
Speaker 1: supposed to talk a certain way. And I love listening
29:21
Speaker 1: to podcasts where people are disrupting all of that, like
29:25
Speaker 1: the way that we talk, what we're saying, what we're
29:27
Speaker 1: talking about, our own perspectives, and I think that we're
29:30
Speaker 1: seeing such a growth of that of like black and
29:32
Speaker 1: brown people and queer people and people of different identities
29:35
Speaker 1: kind of getting into podcasting, and I just I just
29:38
Speaker 1: love to hear the sounds of our voices because I
29:40
Speaker 1: feel like we're just disrupting everything. Like once you start
29:44
Speaker 1: listening to podcasts like yours, I look at or like
29:47
Speaker 1: bad ladies, like you can't you cannot say that every
29:50
Speaker 1: person who was from this place is just like that,
29:52
Speaker 1: because we're letting you know that your stereotypes is fucked up,
29:56
Speaker 1: their trash, they're not accurate, and we're just like I
29:59
Speaker 1: just feel like so powerful and so political for us
30:01
Speaker 1: to disrupt these systems the way that we're doing it.
30:03
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's been like very empowering. Um. I think
30:07
Speaker 1: to know that there is there is a space for
30:10
Speaker 1: our voices, for our stories, and that they matter and
30:13
Speaker 1: that you know, people are people are working with them,
30:15
Speaker 1: people are listening to us and being like yoh, I
30:17
Speaker 1: feel that like even if they can't, like you said,
30:19
Speaker 1: relate to us on other things, like they there's things
30:22
Speaker 1: there that are deeper that they can't relate to. Yeah.
30:25
Speaker 1: I think it's true that so many of the indie
30:28
Speaker 1: podcasts that are doing really well are done by people
30:30
Speaker 1: of color. Um, and a lot of them the more
30:33
Speaker 1: popular podcasts that are getting turned into TV shows, you know,
30:37
Speaker 1: I mean the Bodega Boys, like the read you know,
30:40
Speaker 1: um studio queens. Like there's all these different folks who
30:45
Speaker 1: are doing amazing work and getting recognized. But then we
30:48
Speaker 1: see like all these articles being written about oh Codan
30:53
Speaker 1: O'Brien is just like groundbreaking and podcasting, you know, I
30:57
Speaker 1: think past and it's wild how like, but that's literally
31:00
Speaker 1: not what we see at all when we look around
31:03
Speaker 1: at the actual landscape. Um, and you know, people don't
31:07
Speaker 1: want to see it true, true, true, true. This is
31:10
Speaker 1: supposed to be like nerdy white boy territory. You know,
31:14
Speaker 1: how dare we right? Here's all of us like to
31:20
Speaker 1: the party, and yet you got the address every reason?
31:25
Speaker 1: How did you find us? How did you get here? Exactly? Yeah?
31:30
Speaker 1: You know, when I like stepped into when I started
31:33
Speaker 1: listening to podcast my introduction to it was actually not
31:36
Speaker 1: like a white podcast. One of the first podcasts I
31:38
Speaker 1: listened to is actually an East Coast based podcast, which
31:41
Speaker 1: is which I know y'all have done a collad with them. Dumb.
31:45
Speaker 1: That was one of the first podcasts that I listened to.
31:47
Speaker 1: So I didn't necessarily have this perception or idea that
31:51
Speaker 1: podcasts were very white until I was already creating the
31:55
Speaker 1: podcast with Mala a couple months in, and I was like, oh, okay,
31:59
Speaker 1: I see, I see now. But the folks around me worldwide,
32:02
Speaker 1: they were, you know, other like people of color creating
32:05
Speaker 1: the podcast creating podcasts. So I didn't have that understanding.
32:09
Speaker 1: Now obviously, three years later, seeing all of these um
32:13
Speaker 1: white podcasters get certain media coverage and certain cloud for
32:18
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote revolutionizing podcasting, it just doesn't make sense, right,
32:23
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Yeah, Well, I have a question
32:28
Speaker 1: for y'all is this something like this type of public work,
32:30
Speaker 1: something you always considered that you would want to do,
32:33
Speaker 1: are you to, Um? I don't know. I think that Okay, Well,
32:40
Speaker 1: we have been active on social media for a long time, right,
32:44
Speaker 1: like even before podcasting, Like I was tweeting so heavy
32:48
Speaker 1: and posting so heavy to Instagram, just like constantly. But
32:52
Speaker 1: in my mind, I didn't consider it like public work
32:55
Speaker 1: because my accounts were small. I just considered it I'm
32:58
Speaker 1: just talking ship and I'm just spending my time on
33:00
Speaker 1: social media, you know, just tweeting about hooking up or whatever, partying.
33:04
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um. But then it evolved into something
33:08
Speaker 1: else as things started to grow, and as tractions started
33:11
Speaker 1: to build, and then it I started to publish some
33:14
Speaker 1: writing and then it became more public work. But it
33:17
Speaker 1: wasn't like intentional at the outset. And I think that
33:20
Speaker 1: when we started the podcast, it was like something fun
33:22
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, it really was like when we started
33:26
Speaker 1: the podcast and we had our first meeting, like we
33:28
Speaker 1: both agreed and we committed to one episode a month
33:31
Speaker 1: because we like, we're like, realistically, we can't do more.
33:34
Speaker 1: But then it just grew so fast that we were
33:36
Speaker 1: like we had to keep up, you know, and like
33:38
Speaker 1: we were didn't like we put it out knowing that
33:42
Speaker 1: we had like but we both like respectively had small followings. UM,
33:47
Speaker 1: So we put it out and didn't necessarily expect a
33:51
Speaker 1: lot of the reception that we did receive, which was amazing,
33:54
Speaker 1: It was incredible. Um. And then that that really just
33:57
Speaker 1: propelled us and inspired us to keep going in to
33:59
Speaker 1: care more and more consecutively and consistently. Yeah. How about you?
34:04
Speaker 1: How about you too? Was this were you like seeking
34:07
Speaker 1: to be like public content creators, public artists, public figures,
34:15
Speaker 1: public figures. Um. I want to say definitely not at
34:22
Speaker 1: that point to do something creative. And I was a
34:24
Speaker 1: closed counselor for very long and didn't fulfill me. Um.
34:30
Speaker 1: Obviously to do this and students in my community is amazing.
34:35
Speaker 1: It's just like the policies and like the politics of education,
34:39
Speaker 1: like the Unfairness cause, and just like yo, like I
34:42
Speaker 1: need to do something bigger to support this cause. UM.
34:47
Speaker 1: We were doing that when we started Bad Ladies, and
34:51
Speaker 1: you know I started to I used to edit six,
34:55
Speaker 1: so I was super aware of things already. Um. Oh
35:00
Speaker 1: and the podcast came up and you've not started editing
35:03
Speaker 1: a lot more. I was able to gain a fun ship,
35:06
Speaker 1: and then they look at a job and producing podcasts
35:09
Speaker 1: and like I didn't see I didn't see my speaking again,
35:13
Speaker 1: and I wasn't ford there. But I'm glad that I
35:17
Speaker 1: was given the opportunity to, you know, take my the
35:21
Speaker 1: hobby that I have to turn it into a job.
35:23
Speaker 1: It's something that a lot of people can't say, and
35:27
Speaker 1: and then I feel privileged to be able to do.
35:29
Speaker 1: But at the beginning, like we we didn't want to
35:32
Speaker 1: show our Instagram, like I didn't want people to know um,
35:35
Speaker 1: and like I always feel like I always wanted to
35:39
Speaker 1: I always felt like my voice wasn't heard and I
35:43
Speaker 1: felt small because you know, I was dark skinned. I
35:47
Speaker 1: was I So I'm like I was here, I am.
35:51
Speaker 1: I am a dark spand Latin next person, and like
35:53
Speaker 1: I just always felt like, damn, like I don't fit
35:55
Speaker 1: anywhere and I don't know what to do. So the
35:58
Speaker 1: podcast has really supported of me in embracing my voice
36:02
Speaker 1: and being like, yes, I'm out here, I'm black, I
36:05
Speaker 1: speak Spanish. I'd been like I'm a black person that
36:07
Speaker 1: speak Spanish and we're here and we eat s next
36:09
Speaker 1: and drink water with our best life and it was
36:13
Speaker 1: just super important for me to learn that and I'm
36:16
Speaker 1: happy that I got to do that with the podcast.
36:19
Speaker 1: Yeah that's amazing. I mean, thank you both for asking
36:23
Speaker 1: that question. Yeah, great question. Oh for sure. So, UM,
36:29
Speaker 1: we have a segment on Lookout Thought our radio called
36:32
Speaker 1: Weird Things White Women Did This Week, UM, and this
36:35
Speaker 1: is where we bring our collection of stories of friend
36:37
Speaker 1: ends and encounters UM with white women and the weird
36:40
Speaker 1: ship that they do. So we wanted to invite you
36:43
Speaker 1: to share if you have any tidbits or stories UM
36:48
Speaker 1: about white ladies that you want to share. Lord, where
36:54
Speaker 1: do you get see lord? Um to to being very honest,
37:01
Speaker 1: I cannot say I had one encounter as of yet. Okay,
37:07
Speaker 1: I feel pretty not this we have, UM, I have one,
37:17
Speaker 1: and it's kind of it, kind of her heart. I
37:20
Speaker 1: was like God, damn, like why are you like this?
37:24
Speaker 1: But I was like at work, I'm started, like a
37:29
Speaker 1: legal job and like representing kids and things like that. UM,
37:32
Speaker 1: and the work that we're doing is very concerned with
37:35
Speaker 1: like families and like you know, it's like child welfare,
37:37
Speaker 1: so it's a concern about the world being. But I
37:40
Speaker 1: was literally witnessed to a conversation between a few white
37:45
Speaker 1: women who literally, oh my god, I keep saying literally,
37:49
Speaker 1: but I'm just a clip check where they went off
37:51
Speaker 1: on a tangent basically talking about people's names and how
37:55
Speaker 1: you can tell tell so you can tell the situation
38:00
Speaker 1: sh of a family just based off their name. Setting
38:03
Speaker 1: there looking at the other people of color, like what
38:06
Speaker 1: what do we what? Oh my, what what are we
38:08
Speaker 1: supposed to do? And I had to walk out. I
38:10
Speaker 1: had to walk out of the room because I was
38:12
Speaker 1: like I felt my my, my, rage pumping in my ears,
38:16
Speaker 1: and I'm like I'm about to lose this job, and
38:18
Speaker 1: I just started, oh my god. So it's definitely one
38:22
Speaker 1: of those instances where it's like something really horrible is
38:25
Speaker 1: being said and then because of power dynamics, because of rage,
38:29
Speaker 1: because of racism, because of trauma, it's it's sometimes hard,
38:33
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing, like why wouldn't be trying to
38:35
Speaker 1: act like they people be calling it microaggressions and microaggressions. No,
38:40
Speaker 1: it's paid up aggression, racist aggression, And it's like, how
38:43
Speaker 1: do you how do you do with that? Right? The stress?
38:51
Speaker 1: My goodness? Yeah, I mean definitely like there are moments
38:55
Speaker 1: where it's like it's not like you have to just
38:57
Speaker 1: remove yourself. You know. That sounds like one of those moments.
39:00
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that you did and you have your job.
39:04
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we had, we had an experience to
39:06
Speaker 1: have the job. But I don't know, Oh my god.
39:10
Speaker 1: We feel similar ways about jobs in general employment. I
39:14
Speaker 1: would just I would just rather not my ideal work schedules, right, yeah, No,
39:22
Speaker 1: my ideal work schedules like ten am to two pm,
39:25
Speaker 1: Like that's like the capacity that I have myself, like realistically, yeah, yeah,
39:30
Speaker 1: I will be more efficient if that was my actual
39:33
Speaker 1: work schedule. Also, is anyone really being a productive from
39:36
Speaker 1: nine to the fives? Like, come on, that's one of
39:41
Speaker 1: the best tweeting is happenings during business on your work desktop.
39:50
Speaker 1: Do you want to start us off on our weird things? Why?
39:53
Speaker 1: Women did? Yes? So we uh lead a firm defense
39:59
Speaker 1: work shop at an undisclosed UM institution of higher education
40:04
Speaker 1: recently and UM we were in what we were told
40:08
Speaker 1: was a queer studies class gender studies class, and the
40:11
Speaker 1: professor was an older white woman and so we were
40:15
Speaker 1: like stepping into her classroom space and so you know,
40:18
Speaker 1: we sent our workshop details beforehand. Firm Defense is kind
40:22
Speaker 1: of like a review of the criminalization of UH survivors
40:27
Speaker 1: of color and how women are criminalized and penalized and
40:31
Speaker 1: thrown in prison when attempting self defense against sexual attackers
40:35
Speaker 1: UM and abusers. And so that's like sort of the
40:39
Speaker 1: foundation and the premise of the workshop. And then we
40:40
Speaker 1: talk about some different examples and have some case studies
40:44
Speaker 1: and then how we cover the topic on the podcast,
40:47
Speaker 1: and then we end with like a physical self defense
40:49
Speaker 1: demonstration UM that we invite all the participants to practice
40:53
Speaker 1: some like self defense physical techniques. So in the course
40:56
Speaker 1: of the workshop, we're talking and we're talking primarily primarily
41:00
Speaker 1: about women and fems of color in this conversation, and
41:02
Speaker 1: that's who we try to center UM, and this white
41:06
Speaker 1: woman professor like multiple times like interrupted us, and it
41:09
Speaker 1: was like very dissenting, and she was very much like,
41:11
Speaker 1: but men too, what about men? And we and we
41:14
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, yes, definitely, men to men can also
41:18
Speaker 1: be you know, victims of sexual violence. However, the usually
41:23
Speaker 1: tends to be men abusing other men, you know, So
41:27
Speaker 1: even if we are centering women and fems, like, we're
41:31
Speaker 1: still talking about men and patriarchy and rape culture, you know,
41:35
Speaker 1: So it was just she was, Yeah, she was very
41:38
Speaker 1: much dissenting and trying to be I don't know if
41:40
Speaker 1: like maybe playing devil's advocate, you know how white women
41:44
Speaker 1: like to do that. But I think she got mad
41:47
Speaker 1: because you know, okay, I think about this all the time.
41:50
Speaker 1: And so we were like having this conversation in class
41:53
Speaker 1: and um during our presentation, and you know how there's
41:55
Speaker 1: all these studies and UM, all these studies and all
42:00
Speaker 1: this writing, all this literature now about how trauma can
42:03
Speaker 1: be passed down generationally in our DNA. And you know,
42:07
Speaker 1: looking of course at like Holocaust survivors, survivors of slavery,
42:11
Speaker 1: and how survivor refugees, um, survivors of forced migration, and
42:16
Speaker 1: how all of that trauma gets passed down um to
42:19
Speaker 1: our children in our DNA. But I always ask myself, okay, so,
42:22
Speaker 1: but like what is the flip side of that, because
42:24
Speaker 1: it can't just be that victims of violence have this DNA.
42:27
Speaker 1: Where where does that trauma and the violence live in
42:30
Speaker 1: white people's DNA? Because they it has to have been
42:33
Speaker 1: absorbed somehow on their end, you know, so right, and
42:39
Speaker 1: and MoMA starts and I know where this is going
42:41
Speaker 1: because MoMA and I have had this discussion before, and
42:44
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this bitch is going to take it there.
42:46
Speaker 1: She is not gonna like it. She didn't like. She
42:49
Speaker 1: didn't like it. And then later, you know, in the presentation,
42:52
Speaker 1: we talk about our our episode that we have UM
42:55
Speaker 1: it's maybe from season one or two where we it's
42:58
Speaker 1: called like don't Leak My Nudes and we talk about
43:00
Speaker 1: Black China and Rob Kardashian and so we use that
43:02
Speaker 1: as like a pop culture reference, but like to invite
43:05
Speaker 1: them to think about it in like the more personal level, right,
43:08
Speaker 1: and what that means and like the interpersonal dynamics revenge,
43:12
Speaker 1: porn and all of that. So we were like, you know,
43:14
Speaker 1: we're adults, and if you're sending a new to another
43:17
Speaker 1: consenting adults, then it's shine, you know. And she like
43:21
Speaker 1: didn't like And I'm like, so is this like are
43:24
Speaker 1: we slug shaming in this class? Like I don't understand. Yeah,
43:28
Speaker 1: I was like I thought this was queer studies. I'm
43:29
Speaker 1: so confused. And then like and then thinking back, UM,
43:33
Speaker 1: in the beginning, anytime we do a workshop, we ask
43:36
Speaker 1: UM folks to introduce themselves and also say their pronouns,
43:39
Speaker 1: and so when I asked them to do that, they
43:41
Speaker 1: seemed some of them seemed like they knew. They were like, okay,
43:43
Speaker 1: they got it, and then some like, we're confused. So
43:46
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like do folks know about like,
43:49
Speaker 1: you know, using pronouns and etcetera, etcetera, And some folks didn't.
43:52
Speaker 1: So then later to find out it was a gender
43:54
Speaker 1: studies a queer studies class. I was like, okay, but
43:56
Speaker 1: how like even in like a one oh one class,
44:00
Speaker 1: you would know like this is you know, these are
44:02
Speaker 1: pronouns and if you're being asked to say your pronouns
44:04
Speaker 1: and you would get it right. So it was just
44:08
Speaker 1: very wild. And then the class continues and at the end,
44:12
Speaker 1: we were starting to lead our physical technique, you know
44:17
Speaker 1: component where they practice different like holds and ways to
44:22
Speaker 1: get out of like if someone grabs you and things
44:24
Speaker 1: like that using your voice, and she stopped us and
44:26
Speaker 1: told us we couldn't do it, Like she's made a stop,
44:28
Speaker 1: Like she stopped the physical technique presentation, and she's like,
44:31
Speaker 1: you know, you're in my classroom and I didn't sign
44:33
Speaker 1: up for this and you're coming into my space and
44:35
Speaker 1: we're like you invited us here and we're getting paid
44:38
Speaker 1: to be here. I don't understand. And then I was
44:41
Speaker 1: like when once I get upset, I'm upset. I don't understand.
44:44
Speaker 1: I thought I thought that the subject of this workshop
44:47
Speaker 1: was known, and she says, well, no, I didn't know,
44:50
Speaker 1: and so then I was just confused. I'm like, like,
44:53
Speaker 1: why were we invited? Then it's so and that's not
44:57
Speaker 1: the first time that that's happened, where there's been like
44:59
Speaker 1: an older white one men in the workshop who just
45:01
Speaker 1: will not stop talking and keeps raising their hands and
45:03
Speaker 1: it's like super dissenting. So we're noticing a pattern here.
45:08
Speaker 1: And then come to find the campus is Latin X
45:11
Speaker 1: but like over ninety of the faculty are white people. Problems,
45:16
Speaker 1: so that would be ours for this week? Yeah yeah,
45:22
Speaker 1: who makes like what girl like this like that's not feminism.
45:27
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, bitch, like you know, we're not
45:29
Speaker 1: talking about that. Basically, enough is enough, chill, I'll take
45:33
Speaker 1: a break, We'll take over class today, Like you don't
45:35
Speaker 1: have to work right now, you know, literally just sit
45:38
Speaker 1: in the bad Yeah, but it's whatever. But she's really
45:43
Speaker 1: a terrible gender studies professor. Clearly early clearly hello. I
45:48
Speaker 1: mean like day one attendance, what are your pronouns? Have
45:51
Speaker 1: the convo? That's how I would run her class. That's
45:55
Speaker 1: how derailing conversations about abuse. So like women and black
46:01
Speaker 1: women and women of colored girl, that's like that's like
46:04
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be all bread and butter, Like right, well,
46:08
Speaker 1: you know we were talking about survivors of color, so
46:10
Speaker 1: maybe that was the issue. She didn't like it. She's like,
46:13
Speaker 1: are you only talking about women of color? Or we
46:17
Speaker 1: were like yeah, yeah, like way you only talk about
46:22
Speaker 1: white women? Apparently exactly. Yeah. I know she wasn't a fan.
46:28
Speaker 1: But that's how you know sometimes that you're doing a
46:29
Speaker 1: job well done, because it reveals something when they get upset,
46:33
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46:38
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46:41
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46:44
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46:50
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46:53
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47:07
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48:04
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48:07
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