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- 1:10Speaker B: Welcome to this week's edition of in the Clubhouse with EMD Baseball. I'm Andy Kittes, joined by my wonderful co host Keith Glasser. How we doing?
- 1:18Speaker C: Great. How are you?
- 1:19Speaker B: Good. Want to briefly cover we had this question come up recently and figured it was worth taking a few minutes to to kind of talk about but kind of go over the redshirt rules. I know you had done a in person seminar and one of the questions basically stemmed around do red shirts count against rosters? And how it kind of previously worked was if you were a non scholarship guy and you were redshirt, you didn't count against the 40 man. But the new rules, anybody who practices or competes so that includes red shirts count against your 34. Surprisingly this was a little bit tough to dig up and I think there was some speculation on it with some of the new roster changes and some of the the DSA stuff is a little bit confusing the designated student athletes which that's something that maybe we can cover on a future date but verified with a couple coaches just to make sure we add our Ducks in a row. But red shirts count. I think fundamentally you're not going to see guys redshirt before the season. Just because there's no value in it anymore doesn't save a roster spot. It doesn't help with development. Like you have to take up one of those roster spots now if if a guy redshirts and you might see some of it happen retroactively with a kid who maybe doesn't play at all. You know, you go a whole season, a guy doesn't play, you might be Able to, you know, petition to get that kid a red shirt after his freshman year or whenever it might be. And there's always the hardship waivers and whatnot. But that's less about roster management and more about getting a kid another year of eligibility. So that's kind of the high level. But there is some nuance to a couple things that I'll kick it over to you for. I know you were looking at some of the Division 2 and the Division 3 stuff, so take it away.
- 3:19Speaker C: Sure. The Division 2 rule is new for this year. In your initial year in college, so just freshmen at the Division 2 level, you could play up to 30% of the the season and still be able to maintain your red share and eligibility for the year. It's only a Division 2 rule. If you are not a freshman, then you would have to sit out the entire year to maintain your, your year of eligibility. The one thing with Division 2 and Division 3 is that you have 10 semesters to play four years. So technically, you know, you have five years to play four is what that kind of breaks down to. So it's usually the 10 semester or 15 quarter rule that allows you to be able to play your four years in the span of those five. Obviously there's some medical hardship and stuff in there that you can probably petition the NCAA for if you have some, some season ending injuries and things like that. But the general rule for, you know, the 98 to 99% of people is going to be that you have five years to play for. But that new rule, like I said, for Division 2 allows you up to 30% of the games and then still maintain your red shirt as a freshman and maintain your eligibility. So I could probably see some programs doing that. Right. Like, you know, and kind of do your point about retroactively at the Division 1 level. Like, you know, maybe you have a handful of freshmen that play in, you know, seven, eight games or some pitchers who throw in five or six, you know, three or four games and have minimal innings and maybe get, you know, banged up a little bit or they're just not ready. You know, that's an easy way to just kind of redshirt those guys. And the other thing to remember, at the Division 2 and 3 levels, there's no roster limit. So you know, if you have some arms that you got to look at in competition against other teams or, or some position guys that, you know, maybe need to, they're a little bit further away. But now you have a better idea of what it looks like. You know, you get them 10 at bats and they're just overmatched, you know. Now, you know, you can kind of work on with those guys to get them good over the course of the next four years because you can kind of take it and run with it there. The other good thing is that you can practice with the team. You're just not going to be able to play, obviously, you know, so you're still eligible to do all the things. You're just not really eligible to play any games whatsoever. Division three is straightforward. There is no red shirt per se at the Division 3 level. Same thing that we talked about, you know, just a couple of moments ago, that you have 10 semesters or 15 quarters to play four years. So the, the one difference in Division 3, and this is getting very, very in the weeds, is that you can start and stop your clock at the Division 3 level by being full or part time students, you know, so it's a, it's a little bit different, but you essentially have four springs to be able to play. Not to say that they're like the red shirt quote unquote doesn't exist, but because you have four years to play or five years to play for, if guys have season injuries or they have a pretty significant injury in the fall, where they're not going to be really ready or cleared until, you know, late April the following year, essentially you can just take that semester off from a baseball standpoint and you can still use that semester at a different point in time over the course of your five years. So, you know, it's not to say it doesn't exist, but it's not necessarily going to be athletically driven. It's more going to be centered around injuries, things of that nature. The one caveat I will say is I, I think it's, you know, in our experience it's more at the Division 3 level where there are some academic programs out there at a vast number of Division 3 schools that are five year programs where you have to be in school to graduate there for five years in those scenarios, and these are, you know, I shouldn't say there's a vast number, but there's enough out there that this is relevant. In those scenarios you can, because the school has it set as a five year program, you can more or less kind of play when you want your four years in those five.
- 7:45Speaker B: Right.
- 7:45Speaker C: You could, you know, maybe quote unquote, redshirt your freshman year and play sophomore through your fifth year. You could play freshman through senior year and not play your fifth year. You know, Maybe you play freshman sophomore year and something happens and you know, you take junior year off or you have to co op and you have to go away so, you know, you take it off anyways. There's a bunch of different ways that you can do it, but that's more school specific and more prevalent at the Division 3 level is than it is anywhere else. But all in all, there is no red shirt, quote unquote. And you have the 10 semesters, 15 quarters to play four years.
- 8:26Speaker B: Well said. Yeah, I mean, I don't think I have much to add to that. It's just, you know, I think red shirts and baseball have always been a little different than, you know, it's a pretty typical thing to do in college football. Guys need like a full year on campus to get physically ready and it's, it's, you know, you bring guys in with the idea like, hey, you're gonna, you're gonna redshirt your freshman year, you're not gonna play, we're gonna develop you, you know, and then you'll play your four years after that. In college baseball, especially with the new roster rules, you know, you need to take advantage of all 34 of those spots. So these, this place for red shirts, it's typically going to be hardship driven or you know, maybe that, that retroactive red shirt of a kid that doesn't play that much or doesn't play at all. Although they have toyed with the idea of a threshold for Division one from a pure playing time perspective where you could grant it. But I honestly, I couldn't find anything specific about it in the legislation. So. Not going to throw any fake news out there about that, but yeah, it's good to know, it's good to understand how rosters work. So wanted to take a few minutes and cover it. Anything else you want to add, Coach? No, sir. All right, well, thank you for listening everybody. Hopefully that was informative and we will talk to you next week. Thank you. Thank you for listening this week.
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