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Music Therapy in the Modern Age: Challenges and Triumphs at Princess Margaret Hospital · Music Explored Podcast

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  your
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  caterers,
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  photographer,
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  all
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  live
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  music,
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  where
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  to
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  just
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  mingling
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  don't
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  everyone.
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  Rose
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  Black.
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  Now
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  for
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  those
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  you
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  that
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  beginning,
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  which
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  probably
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  not
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  many
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  of
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  you,
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  she
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  was
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  on
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  episode
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  17
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  and
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  she
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  was
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  founders
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  and
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  coordinators
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  of
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  the
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  first
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  music
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  therapy
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  program
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  at
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  the
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  Princess
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  Margaret
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  Cancer
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  center
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  in
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  Kensington
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  Hospice
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  in
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  Toronto.
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  On
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  we
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  kind
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  of
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  dived
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  into
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  the
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  use
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  of
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  music
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  the
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  therapeutic
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  that
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  it
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  has
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  to
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  promote
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  health
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  and
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  well
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  being.
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  So
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  we
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  wanted
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  to
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  have
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  Sarah
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  Rose
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  come
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  back
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  on
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  the
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  show
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  and
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  chat
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  with
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  us
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  more
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  about
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  the
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  program
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  and
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  how
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  far
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  it's
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  come
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  since
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  we
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  spoke
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  with
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  her
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  a
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  year
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  ago.
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  Any
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  updates
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  that
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  she
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  might
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  want
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  to
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  share
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  with
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  us
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  and
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  our
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  audience
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  and
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  see
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  what's
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  going
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  on
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  for
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  the
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  in
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  the
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  future.
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  Another
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  great
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  chat
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  about
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  a
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  really
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  cool
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  application
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  of
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  music
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  we
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  hope
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  you
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  guys
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  enjoy
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  it.
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  Hey,
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  we're
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  Well,
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  good.
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  Oh,
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  I
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  know.
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  Hold
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  on.
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  Can
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  you
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  say
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  something
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  again?
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  I'm
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  saying
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  things.
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  Words
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  are
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  coming
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  out
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  Let
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  the
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  words
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  my
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  mouth
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  the
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  meditation
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  of
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  my
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  heart.
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  All
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  right.
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  Be
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  acceptable
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  in
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  thy
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  sight.
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  Yeah,
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  your
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  volume's
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  good.
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  Okay.
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  Sarah,
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  Hello.
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  Welcome
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  back.
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  Thank
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  you
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  for
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  inviting
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  me
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  back.
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  Thank
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  you
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  for
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  coming.
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  It
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  was.
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  It
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  was
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  great
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  that
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  we
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  were
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  able
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  to
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  catch
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  up
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  after,
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  I
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  think
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  it's
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  been
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  over
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  a
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  year
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  now.
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  Yes.
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  Sorry.
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  Real
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  quick,
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  gentlemen.
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  I
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  always
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  neglect
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  you
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  as
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  well.
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  How
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  are
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  you
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  guys
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  doing
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  today?
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  Feeling
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  neglected.
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  Feeling
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  neglected.
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  I
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  hear
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  you,
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  buddy.
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  Yeah.
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  I
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  don't
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  want
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  to
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  just
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  hijack
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  the
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  beginning,
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  but
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  we
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  are
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  excited
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  to
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  have
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  Sarah
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  Black
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  with
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  us.
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  Sarah
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  Rose
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  Black.
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  I'm
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  sorry.
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  I
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  get
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  weirded
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  out
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  with
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  the
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  hyphenations
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  because
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  I
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  never
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  know
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  if
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  it's
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  Sarah
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  Rose
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  or
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  Sarah
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  Rose
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  Black
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  or
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  Sarah
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  Black.
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  I'll
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  answer
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  to
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  any
• 3:30
  of
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  it.
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  There's
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  no
• 3:30
  hyphen,
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  is
• 3:31
  there?
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  There's
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  no
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  hyphen.
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  It's
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  just
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  one
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  word.
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  Rose
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  Black.
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  My
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  parents
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  got
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  creative.
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  Sarah
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  Rose.
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  One
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  word
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  and
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  then
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  Black.
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  My
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  last
• 3:38
  name.
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  That
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  makes
• 3:40
  it
• 3:41
  easier,
• 3:41
  right?
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  That
• 3:41
  does
• 3:41
  make
• 3:42
  it
• 3:42
  easier.
• 3:43
  Damn.
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  Yeah.
• 3:44
  So
• 3:44
  actually,
• 3:44
  the
• 3:44
  last
• 3:44
  time
• 3:45
  you
• 3:45
  were
• 3:45
  here,
• 3:45
  we
• 3:45
  had
• 3:45
  a
• 3:45
  lot
• 3:46
  of
• 3:46
  interest,
• 3:47
  and
• 3:47
  still
• 3:47
  to
• 3:47
  this
• 3:48
  day,
• 3:48
  people
• 3:48
  are
• 3:48
  talking
• 3:49
  about
• 3:49
  the
• 3:50
  music
• 3:50
  therapy
• 3:51
  episode
• 3:51
  that
• 3:51
  we
• 3:51
  did.
• 3:52
  So
• 3:52
  we're
• 3:52
  back
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  for
• 3:53
  round
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  two
• 3:55
  and
• 3:55
  for
• 3:55
  those
• 3:55
  new
• 3:56
  listeners,
• 3:56
  because
• 3:56
  we
• 3:56
  have
• 3:56
  a
• 3:57
  lot
• 3:57
  of
• 3:57
  those.
• 3:57
  Since
• 3:57
  there
• 3:58
  are
• 3:58
  a
• 3:58
  lot
• 3:58
  of
• 3:58
  you
• 3:59
  since
• 3:59
  the
• 3:59
  last
• 3:59
  time
• 4:00
  we
• 4:00
  chatted,
• 4:01
  can
• 4:01
  you
• 4:01
  just
• 4:02
  kind
• 4:02
  of
• 4:02
  give
• 4:02
  an
• 4:02
  overview
• 4:03
  of
• 4:03
  what
• 4:03
  music
• 4:03
  therapy
• 4:04
  is?
• 4:04
  Maybe
• 4:04
  we'll
• 4:05
  start
• 4:05
  there.
• 4:06
  It's
• 4:06
  always
• 4:06
  my
• 4:06
  favorite
• 4:07
  question
• 4:07
  to
• 4:07
  answer,
• 4:08
  so
• 4:08
  happy
• 4:08
  to
• 4:09
  dive
• 4:09
  in
• 4:09
  with
• 4:09
  that.
• 4:10
  Music
• 4:10
  therapy
• 4:11
  is
• 4:11
  the
• 4:12
  intentional
• 4:12
  and
• 4:12
  clinical
• 4:13
  use
• 4:13
  of
• 4:13
  music
• 4:13
  in
• 4:14
  a
• 4:14
  setting
• 4:14
  to
• 4:15
  achieve
• 4:15
  goals
• 4:15
  that
• 4:16
  are
• 4:16
  related
• 4:16
  to
• 4:16
  health.
• 4:18
  So
• 4:18
  the
• 4:18
  big
• 4:18
  difference
• 4:19
  between
• 4:19
  performative
• 4:20
  music
• 4:20
  and
• 4:21
  entertainment
• 4:22
  is
• 4:22
  that
• 4:22
  a
• 4:22
  music
• 4:23
  therapist
• 4:23
  walks
• 4:23
  in
• 4:24
  with
• 4:25
  an
• 4:26
  agenda
• 4:26
  to
• 4:27
  create
• 4:29
  some
• 4:29
  kind
• 4:29
  of
• 4:30
  support
• 4:31
  for
• 4:31
  a
• 4:31
  person,
• 4:32
  and
• 4:32
  that
• 4:33
  can
• 4:33
  be
• 4:33
  someone
• 4:34
  in
• 4:34
  a
• 4:34
  healthcare
• 4:35
  system.
• 4:35
  So
• 4:35
  I
• 4:35
  work
• 4:35
  in
• 4:35
  a
• 4:35
  hospital,
• 4:36
  so
• 4:37
  I
• 4:37
  use
• 4:37
  music
• 4:37
  intentionally
• 4:38
  to
• 4:38
  do
• 4:38
  things
• 4:38
  like
• 4:39
  reduce
• 4:39
  anxiety
• 4:40
  and
• 4:40
  shift
• 4:41
  mood
• 4:41
  and
• 4:42
  improve
• 4:42
  pain
• 4:42
  management
• 4:43
  and
• 4:44
  create
• 4:44
  space
• 4:44
  for
• 4:45
  end
• 4:45
  of
• 4:45
  life
• 4:45
  work
• 4:47
  and
• 4:47
  trauma
• 4:48
  work.
• 4:49
  So
• 4:49
  another
• 4:50
  music
• 4:50
  therapist
• 4:50
  might
• 4:51
  do
• 4:51
  something
• 4:51
  around
• 4:53
  rehabilitation
• 4:54
  or
• 4:54
  working
• 4:55
  with
• 4:55
  kids
• 4:55
  or
• 4:56
  working
• 4:56
  with
• 4:56
  the
• 4:56
  elderly.
• 4:57
  But
• 4:57
  we're
• 4:57
  always
• 4:57
  going
• 4:57
  in
• 4:58
  with
• 4:58
  goals
• 4:59
  in
• 4:59
  mind,
• 4:59
  which
• 4:59
  we
• 4:59
  create
• 5:00
  with
• 5:00
  the
• 5:00
  people
• 5:00
  we
• 5:00
  work
• 5:01
  with.
• 5:02
  But
• 5:02
  we
• 5:02
  also
• 5:03
  come
• 5:03
  with
• 5:03
  ideas
• 5:04
  on
• 5:04
  how
• 5:04
  to
• 5:04
  optimize
• 5:05
  wellness
• 5:06
  and
• 5:07
  health.
• 5:08
  And
• 5:08
  what
• 5:08
  does
• 5:09
  that
• 5:09
  typically
• 5:09
  look
• 5:10
  like
• 5:10
  when
• 5:10
  you
• 5:10
  say
• 5:11
  optimizing
• 5:11
  health
• 5:12
  for.
• 5:12
  For
• 5:13
  someone?
• 5:13
  And
• 5:14
  I
• 5:14
  might
• 5:14
  be
• 5:14
  wrong,
• 5:14
  but
• 5:14
  you
• 5:15
  said
• 5:15
  near
• 5:15
  the
• 5:16
  end
• 5:16
  of
• 5:16
  life,
• 5:17
  how
• 5:17
  does
• 5:17
  wellness
• 5:19
  cause.
• 5:19
  To
• 5:20
  me,
• 5:20
  that's
• 5:20
  kind
• 5:20
  of
• 5:20
  like
• 5:21
  an
• 5:21
  oxymoron.
• 5:22
  But
• 5:22
  how
• 5:22
  would
• 5:23
  you
• 5:23
  prepare
• 5:23
  for
• 5:25
  wellness
• 5:25
  in
• 5:26
  that
• 5:27
  type
• 5:27
  of
• 5:28
  environment?
• 5:28
  I
• 5:29
  guess
• 5:29
  this
• 5:29
  is
• 5:29
  such
• 5:30
  a
• 5:30
  good
• 5:30
  question.
• 5:30
  It
• 5:31
  does
• 5:31
  feel
• 5:31
  like
• 5:31
  an
• 5:31
  oxymoron
• 5:32
  when
• 5:32
  you
• 5:32
  talk
• 5:32
  about
• 5:33
  wellness
• 5:33
  and
• 5:33
  quality
• 5:34
  of
• 5:34
  life
• 5:34
  when
• 5:34
  someone
• 5:34
  is
• 5:34
  dying.
• 5:35
  But
• 5:35
  what
• 5:36
  I
• 5:36
  go
• 5:36
  in
• 5:37
  and
• 5:37
  observe
• 5:37
  is
• 5:38
  how
• 5:38
  well
• 5:38
  is
• 5:38
  this
• 5:38
  person's
• 5:39
  pain
• 5:39
  managed,
• 5:40
  how
• 5:40
  comfortable
• 5:41
  are
• 5:41
  they
• 5:41
  right
• 5:41
  now?
• 5:41
  What's
• 5:42
  going
• 5:42
  on
• 5:42
  with
• 5:42
  their
• 5:43
  family
• 5:43
  in
• 5:43
  the
• 5:43
  room?
• 5:44
  I
• 5:45
  create
• 5:45
  space
• 5:45
  for
• 5:45
  them
• 5:45
  to
• 5:46
  grieve,
• 5:46
  to
• 5:47
  be
• 5:47
  together,
• 5:47
  to
• 5:48
  share,
• 5:48
  to
• 5:49
  share
• 5:49
  silence,
• 5:50
  to
• 5:50
  share
• 5:50
  stories.
• 5:51
  And
• 5:51
  how
• 5:51
  can
• 5:52
  I
• 5:52
  create
• 5:52
  optimal
• 5:53
  comfort
• 5:54
  for
• 5:54
  somebody
• 5:54
  at
• 5:55
  end
• 5:55
  of
• 5:55
  life?
• 5:55
  So
• 5:56
  that
• 5:56
  can
• 5:56
  be,
• 5:56
  like
• 5:56
  I
• 5:56
  said,
• 5:57
  pain
• 5:57
  management,
• 5:58
  but
• 5:58
  that
• 5:58
  can
• 5:58
  also
• 5:58
  be
• 5:59
  surrounding
• 5:59
  them
• 5:59
  with
• 6:00
  memories
• 6:00
  that
• 6:00
  are
• 6:01
  dear
• 6:02
  to
• 6:02
  their
• 6:02
  hearts.
• 6:02
  So
• 6:03
  if
• 6:03
  you're
• 6:03
  lying
• 6:04
  there
• 6:04
  listening
• 6:04
  to
• 6:04
  songs
• 6:05
  that
• 6:05
  are
• 6:05
  reflective
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  something
• 6:06
  important
• 6:07
  in
• 6:07
  your
• 6:07
  life,
• 6:08
  that
• 6:08
  can
• 6:08
  be
• 6:08
  wellness
• 6:09
  in
• 6:09
  a
• 6:10
  time
• 6:10
  of
• 6:11
  physical
• 6:11
  decline.
• 6:13
  That
• 6:13
  makes
• 6:13
  sense.
• 6:14
  And
• 6:14
  how
• 6:15
  long
• 6:15
  have
• 6:15
  you
• 6:15
  been
• 6:15
  doing
• 6:15
  this?
• 6:18
  I
• 6:18
  started
• 6:18
  my
• 6:18
  training
• 6:19
  in
• 6:19
  2012
• 6:20
  and
• 6:20
  I
• 6:20
  started
• 6:20
  working
• 6:22
  nine,
• 6:22
  almost
• 6:23
  10
• 6:23
  years
• 6:23
  ago.
• 6:24
  Is
• 6:24
  that
• 6:24
  right?
• 6:24
  Nope.
• 6:25
  I
• 6:25
  take
• 6:25
  it
• 6:25
  back.
• 6:25
  I
• 6:25
  started
• 6:26
  training
• 6:26
  before
• 6:26
  then
• 6:27
  because
• 6:27
  I've
• 6:27
  been
• 6:27
  working
• 6:28
  at
• 6:28
  Princess
• 6:28
  Margaret
• 6:29
  almost
• 6:29
  10
• 6:30
  years.
• 6:31
  I
• 6:31
  walked
• 6:32
  into
• 6:32
  Princess
• 6:32
  Margaret
• 6:33
  in
• 6:33
  2012.
• 6:34
  That's
• 6:34
  right.
• 6:37
  Sorry,
• 6:38
  anyone,
• 6:38
  feel
• 6:38
  free
• 6:38
  to
• 6:38
  jump
• 6:39
  in?
• 6:39
  No,
• 6:39
  no,
• 6:39
  we're
• 6:39
  just
• 6:39
  watching
• 6:40
  here.
• 6:42
  Since
• 6:42
  the
• 6:42
  last
• 6:43
  time
• 6:43
  we
• 6:43
  spoke.
• 6:43
  Can
• 6:44
  you
• 6:44
  may
• 6:44
  maybe
• 6:44
  just
• 6:44
  tell
• 6:45
  us
• 6:45
  some
• 6:46
  of
• 6:46
  the
• 6:47
  updates
• 6:47
  that
• 6:47
  you've
• 6:47
  been
• 6:48
  able
• 6:48
  to
• 6:48
  or
• 6:49
  some
• 6:49
  of
• 6:49
  the
• 6:49
  accomplishments
• 6:50
  or
• 6:50
  achievements
• 6:50
  that
• 6:50
  you've
• 6:51
  been
• 6:51
  able
• 6:51
  to
• 6:51
  achieve
• 6:52
  since
• 6:53
  we've
• 6:53
  spoken
• 6:53
  last.
• 6:54
  Yeah,
• 6:55
  sure.
• 6:55
  Thanks
• 6:55
  for
• 6:56
  that
• 6:56
  question
• 6:56
  and
• 6:56
  I'm
• 6:57
  grateful
• 6:57
  for
• 6:57
  the
• 6:58
  DNA
• 6:58
  project
• 6:58
  support.
• 6:59
  It's
• 6:59
  always
• 6:59
  nice
• 6:59
  to
• 6:59
  be
• 7:00
  able
• 7:00
  to
• 7:00
  be
• 7:01
  asked
• 7:01
  about
• 7:01
  the
• 7:01
  work
• 7:01
  and
• 7:02
  share
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  work
• 7:02
  more
• 7:02
  broadly
• 7:03
  because
• 7:04
  it
• 7:04
  does
• 7:04
  happen
• 7:04
  in
• 7:04
  a
• 7:04
  bit
• 7:05
  of
• 7:05
  a
• 7:05
  vacuum
• 7:05
  when
• 7:05
  I'm
• 7:06
  in
• 7:06
  the
• 7:06
  hospital
• 7:06
  or
• 7:06
  at
• 7:07
  the
• 7:07
  bedside.
• 7:08
  So
• 7:09
  since
• 7:09
  we
• 7:09
  last
• 7:10
  spoke,
• 7:10
  I
• 7:10
  became
• 7:11
  the
• 7:12
  editor
• 7:12
  of
• 7:12
  the
• 7:12
  Canadian
• 7:13
  Journal
• 7:13
  of
• 7:13
  Music
• 7:13
  Therapy.
• 7:14
  So
• 7:14
  that's
• 7:15
  been
• 7:15
  really
• 7:15
  lovely
• 7:17
  to
• 7:17
  get
• 7:17
  to
• 7:18
  curate
• 7:18
  Canadian
• 7:19
  music
• 7:19
  therapy
• 7:20
  research
• 7:20
  and
• 7:22
  work
• 7:22
  with
• 7:22
  authors
• 7:22
  to
• 7:23
  publish
• 7:23
  it.
• 7:23
  That's
• 7:23
  huge.
• 7:24
  A
• 7:24
  lot
• 7:24
  of
• 7:24
  young
• 7:24
  authors
• 7:25
  too,
• 7:25
  which
• 7:25
  is
• 7:25
  great.
• 7:26
  I've
• 7:26
  had
• 7:27
  three
• 7:27
  wonderful
• 7:28
  music
• 7:28
  therapy
• 7:29
  graduate
• 7:29
  students
• 7:30
  train
• 7:30
  with
• 7:30
  me
• 7:31
  over
• 7:31
  the
• 7:31
  course
• 7:31
  of
• 7:31
  four
• 7:32
  months,
• 7:34
  and
• 7:34
  the
• 7:35
  program
• 7:35
  continues
• 7:35
  to
• 7:36
  grow.
• 7:36
  But
• 7:36
  one
• 7:36
  of
• 7:36
  the
• 7:36
  most
• 7:36
  exciting
• 7:37
  things,
• 7:37
  which
• 7:37
  I
• 7:38
  can't
• 7:38
  wait
• 7:38
  to
• 7:38
  share,
• 7:38
  is
• 7:39
  I
• 7:39
  have
• 7:39
  been
• 7:39
  able
• 7:39
  to
• 7:40
  start
• 7:40
  using
• 7:40
  a
• 7:40
  digital
• 7:41
  stethoscope.
• 7:42
  And
• 7:43
  that's
• 7:43
  thanks
• 7:43
  to
• 7:43
  you,
• 7:44
  your
• 7:44
  amazing
• 7:44
  support.
• 7:45
  I
• 7:46
  couldn't
• 7:46
  have
• 7:46
  done
• 7:46
  it
• 7:46
  without
• 7:47
  you.
• 7:47
  So
• 7:47
  awesome.
• 7:48
  Our
• 7:48
  pleasure.
• 7:49
  I've
• 7:49
  been
• 7:49
  able
• 7:49
  to
• 7:51
  record
• 7:51
  patient
• 7:52
  heartbeats
• 7:52
  and
• 7:53
  use
• 7:54
  them
• 7:54
  within
• 7:54
  songs
• 7:55
  that
• 7:55
  I'VE
• 7:55
  written
• 7:55
  with
• 7:55
  patients,
• 7:56
  and
• 7:56
  that's
• 7:56
  been
• 7:56
  really
• 7:56
  special.
• 7:57
  That's
• 7:57
  incredible.
• 7:58
  Yeah,
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  love
• 7:59
  it.
• 7:59
  Digital
• 8:00
  stethoscope.
• 8:01
  Yeah.
• 8:02
  What
• 8:02
  is.
• 8:03
  How
• 8:04
  does
• 8:04
  that
• 8:04
  work?
• 8:05
  So
• 8:05
  it
• 8:05
  goes
• 8:05
  into
• 8:06
  a
• 8:06
  USB
• 8:06
  recorder,
• 8:07
  and
• 8:07
  that
• 8:07
  kind
• 8:07
  of
• 8:07
  leads
• 8:08
  me
• 8:08
  to
• 8:08
  the
• 8:08
  next
• 8:08
  question,
• 8:11
  just
• 8:11
  about
• 8:11
  technique.
• 8:12
  What
• 8:12
  kind
• 8:13
  of
• 8:13
  things
• 8:13
  do
• 8:13
  you
• 8:13
  do?
• 8:14
  And
• 8:15
  what
• 8:15
  motivates
• 8:16
  different
• 8:16
  techniques.
• 8:18
  This
• 8:18
  is
• 8:18
  such
• 8:18
  a
• 8:18
  great
• 8:18
  question,
• 8:19
  too.
• 8:19
  So
• 8:19
  I'll
• 8:20
  take
• 8:20
  a
• 8:20
  step
• 8:20
  back.
• 8:22
  If
• 8:22
  you
• 8:22
  can
• 8:22
  picture
• 8:22
  I
• 8:23
  walk
• 8:23
  around
• 8:23
  with
• 8:23
  the
• 8:23
  hospital
• 8:24
  in
• 8:24
  the
• 8:24
  hospital
• 8:25
  with
• 8:25
  a
• 8:26
  keyboard
• 8:27
  on
• 8:27
  wheels,
• 8:27
  on
• 8:28
  a
• 8:28
  cart,
• 8:28
  and
• 8:28
  I
• 8:28
  carry
• 8:29
  different
• 8:29
  instruments
• 8:29
  with
• 8:30
  me.
• 8:30
  And
• 8:31
  those
• 8:31
  include
• 8:31
  auxiliary
• 8:32
  percussions,
• 8:33
  so
• 8:33
  small
• 8:34
  drums,
• 8:34
  an
• 8:35
  ocean
• 8:35
  drum
• 8:35
  that
• 8:36
  sounds
• 8:36
  like
• 8:36
  waves.
• 8:38
  I
• 8:38
  use
• 8:39
  singing
• 8:39
  bowls
• 8:39
  to
• 8:40
  create
• 8:40
  resonance
• 8:40
  sounds.
• 8:41
  I
• 8:41
  might
• 8:41
  have
• 8:42
  a
• 8:42
  ukulele.
• 8:42
  I
• 8:43
  might
• 8:43
  have
• 8:43
  a
• 8:43
  guitar.
• 8:44
  But
• 8:44
  mostly
• 8:45
  I
• 8:45
  use
• 8:45
  the
• 8:45
  keyboard
• 8:46
  and
• 8:46
  my
• 8:46
  voice.
• 8:46
  So
• 8:47
  it's
• 8:48
  95%
• 8:49
  live
• 8:49
  music
• 8:50
  in
• 8:50
  the
• 8:50
  room
• 8:50
  with
• 8:50
  the
• 8:51
  patient.
• 8:52
  And
• 8:52
  in
• 8:52
  terms
• 8:52
  of
• 8:52
  specific
• 8:53
  techniques,
• 8:53
  it
• 8:53
  depends
• 8:54
  on
• 8:54
  what
• 8:54
  the
• 8:54
  patient
• 8:55
  needs.
• 8:55
  So
• 8:55
  if
• 8:55
  someone's
• 8:56
  telling
• 8:56
  me,
• 8:56
  look,
• 8:57
  I'm
• 8:57
  exhausted.
• 8:57
  I
• 8:57
  didn't
• 8:58
  sleep
• 8:58
  last
• 8:58
  night.
• 8:59
  Can
• 8:59
  you
• 8:59
  help
• 8:59
  me?
• 8:59
  Just
• 9:00
  rest.
• 9:01
  So
• 9:01
  I
• 9:01
  might
• 9:01
  do
• 9:01
  something
• 9:01
  receptive
• 9:02
  where
• 9:02
  I'm
• 9:03
  playing
• 9:04
  based
• 9:04
  on
• 9:04
  their
• 9:04
  requests
• 9:06
  and
• 9:06
  their
• 9:08
  falling
• 9:08
  asleep,
• 9:08
  closing
• 9:09
  their
• 9:09
  eyes.
• 9:09
  I
• 9:09
  might
• 9:09
  do
• 9:09
  a
• 9:10
  guided
• 9:10
  meditation
• 9:10
  with
• 9:11
  live
• 9:11
  music.
• 9:13
  I
• 9:13
  might
• 9:13
  be
• 9:14
  asked
• 9:14
  to
• 9:14
  play
• 9:14
  the
• 9:14
  same
• 9:15
  song
• 9:15
  over
• 9:15
  and
• 9:15
  over
• 9:15
  again,
• 9:16
  because
• 9:16
  it's
• 9:16
  what
• 9:16
  they
• 9:16
  need
• 9:17
  in
• 9:17
  that
• 9:17
  moment,
• 9:17
  because
• 9:17
  it's
• 9:18
  comforting.
• 9:19
  But
• 9:19
  alternatively,
• 9:20
  if
• 9:20
  someone
• 9:20
  is
• 9:21
  a
• 9:21
  little
• 9:21
  more
• 9:21
  wakeful
• 9:22
  and
• 9:22
  wanting
• 9:22
  to
• 9:22
  engage
• 9:22
  a
• 9:23
  bit
• 9:23
  more,
• 9:23
  they
• 9:23
  may
• 9:23
  actually
• 9:24
  play
• 9:24
  music
• 9:25
  with
• 9:25
  me
• 9:25
  or
• 9:26
  sing
• 9:26
  with
• 9:26
  me.
• 9:27
  And
• 9:27
  it's
• 9:28
  nice
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  be
• 9:28
  able
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  hand
• 9:28
  them
• 9:29
  an
• 9:29
  instrument
• 9:29
  that
• 9:29
  is
• 9:30
  light
• 9:30
  and
• 9:30
  easy
• 9:30
  to
• 9:30
  use,
• 9:31
  for
• 9:31
  sure.
• 9:33
  And
• 9:33
  I
• 9:33
  do
• 9:33
  a
• 9:34
  lot
• 9:34
  of
• 9:34
  songwriting,
• 9:34
  so
• 9:35
  that's
• 9:35
  where
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  stethoscope
• 9:36
  comes
• 9:36
  in.
• 9:36
  So
• 9:37
  it
• 9:37
  doesn't
• 9:38
  matter
• 9:38
  if
• 9:39
  someone
• 9:39
  has
• 9:39
  never
• 9:39
  touched
• 9:40
  an
• 9:40
  instrument
• 9:40
  in
• 9:40
  their
• 9:41
  life.
• 9:41
  I
• 9:41
  will
• 9:41
  see
• 9:42
  anyone
• 9:42
  at
• 9:42
  any
• 9:43
  stage.
• 9:44
  The
• 9:44
  exciting
• 9:44
  thing
• 9:44
  is
• 9:45
  you
• 9:45
  don't
• 9:45
  need
• 9:45
  any
• 9:45
  musical
• 9:46
  experience
• 9:46
  to
• 9:46
  take
• 9:47
  part
• 9:47
  in
• 9:47
  music
• 9:47
  therapy.
• 9:48
  Human
• 9:48
  beings
• 9:49
  are
• 9:49
  inherently
• 9:49
  musical,
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  like
• 9:50
  to
• 9:50
  say,
• 9:51
  by
• 9:51
  virtue
• 9:52
  of
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  fact
• 9:52
  that
• 9:52
  we
• 9:52
  have
• 9:52
  a
• 9:53
  heartbeat
• 9:54
  and
• 9:54
  we
• 9:54
  have
• 9:54
  rhythms
• 9:55
  coursing
• 9:55
  through
• 9:56
  our
• 9:56
  body
• 9:56
  all
• 9:56
  the
• 9:56
  time
• 9:57
  from
• 9:57
  birth
• 9:57
  to
• 9:58
  death.
• 9:58
  So
• 10:00
  some
• 10:00
  colleagues
• 10:01
  in
• 10:01
  the
• 10:01
  States
• 10:01
  and
• 10:02
  around
• 10:02
  the
• 10:02
  world
• 10:02
  have
• 10:03
  been
• 10:03
  doing
• 10:03
  great
• 10:03
  work
• 10:03
  with
• 10:04
  recording
• 10:04
  patient
• 10:05
  heartbeats.
• 10:06
  So
• 10:06
  I
• 10:06
  literally
• 10:07
  will
• 10:07
  go
• 10:07
  in
• 10:07
  and
• 10:07
  record
• 10:08
  it,
• 10:09
  and
• 10:10
  then
• 10:10
  I
• 10:10
  will
• 10:10
  use
• 10:10
  that
• 10:10
  recording,
• 10:11
  which
• 10:11
  Bluetooths
• 10:12
  to
• 10:12
  my
• 10:12
  phone.
• 10:13
  It's
• 10:13
  just
• 10:13
  a
• 10:13
  direct
• 10:14
  Bluetooth,
• 10:14
  so
• 10:14
  it's
• 10:15
  super
• 10:15
  easy.
• 10:16
  And
• 10:16
  I
• 10:16
  will
• 10:16
  embed
• 10:17
  their
• 10:17
  heartbeat
• 10:18
  over
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  song
• 10:19
  that
• 10:19
  we've
• 10:19
  written
• 10:19
  together,
• 10:20
  and
• 10:20
  that
• 10:20
  often
• 10:20
  becomes
• 10:21
  a
• 10:21
  gift
• 10:21
  to
• 10:21
  the
• 10:21
  family
• 10:22
  if
• 10:22
  someone's
• 10:22
  at
• 10:22
  end
• 10:23
  of
• 10:23
  life.
• 10:24
  But
• 10:24
  even
• 10:24
  if
• 10:24
  someone
• 10:25
  just
• 10:25
  wants
• 10:25
  to
• 10:25
  Create
• 10:26
  something
• 10:26
  for
• 10:26
  self
• 10:27
  expression,
• 10:27
  for
• 10:28
  sure.
• 10:29
  And
• 10:29
  how
• 10:29
  is,
• 10:30
  how
• 10:30
  long
• 10:30
  is
• 10:31
  the
• 10:31
  process
• 10:31
  that
• 10:31
  you
• 10:32
  have
• 10:32
  to
• 10:32
  create
• 10:32
  the
• 10:32
  song
• 10:33
  with
• 10:33
  the
• 10:33
  patient?
• 10:34
  So
• 10:35
  for
• 10:35
  some
• 10:35
  patients,
• 10:36
  time
• 10:36
  is
• 10:36
  of
• 10:36
  the
• 10:36
  essence
• 10:36
  if
• 10:37
  they're
• 10:37
  declining
• 10:38
  and
• 10:38
  doing
• 10:38
  really,
• 10:39
  really
• 10:40
  kind
• 10:40
  of
• 10:40
  struggling
• 10:40
  with
• 10:40
  their
• 10:40
  health.
• 10:41
  So
• 10:41
  it
• 10:41
  can
• 10:42
  happen
• 10:42
  in
• 10:42
  as
• 10:42
  short
• 10:43
  as
• 10:43
  a
• 10:43
  20
• 10:44
  to
• 10:44
  30
• 10:44
  minute
• 10:45
  session.
• 10:45
  It
• 10:45
  can
• 10:46
  happen
• 10:46
  over
• 10:46
  a
• 10:46
  period
• 10:46
  of
• 10:47
  several
• 10:47
  weeks
• 10:47
  if
• 10:47
  that's
• 10:48
  what
• 10:48
  the
• 10:48
  patient
• 10:48
  prefers
• 10:49
  to
• 10:49
  really
• 10:49
  take
• 10:49
  their
• 10:50
  time
• 10:50
  and
• 10:50
  invest
• 10:51
  in
• 10:51
  creating
• 10:52
  the
• 10:52
  lyrics
• 10:53
  and
• 10:53
  creating
• 10:53
  song
• 10:54
  structure
• 10:54
  with
• 10:54
  me.
• 10:55
  But
• 10:55
  I
• 10:56
  remember
• 10:56
  a
• 10:56
  patient
• 10:57
  years
• 10:57
  ago,
• 10:58
  she
• 10:58
  was
• 10:58
  very
• 10:59
  excited
• 10:59
  about
• 10:59
  writing
• 11:00
  a
• 11:00
  song
• 11:00
  and
• 11:01
  she
• 11:01
  said,
• 11:01
  come
• 11:01
  back
• 11:01
  tomorrow.
• 11:02
  And
• 11:02
  I
• 11:02
  went
• 11:02
  back,
• 11:03
  but
• 11:03
  she
• 11:03
  had
• 11:04
  declined
• 11:04
  so
• 11:04
  much
• 11:05
  overnight,
• 11:05
  she
• 11:05
  could
• 11:05
  barely
• 11:06
  speak
• 11:06
  to
• 11:06
  me.
• 11:06
  And
• 11:06
  I
• 11:07
  said,
• 11:07
  I'm
• 11:08
  back.
• 11:08
  How
• 11:08
  can
• 11:09
  I
• 11:09
  be
• 11:09
  helpful?
• 11:10
  And
• 11:10
  she
• 11:10
  said,
• 11:11
  I
• 11:11
  have
• 11:11
  three
• 11:12
  words.
• 11:13
  Love,
• 11:15
  hope
• 11:16
  and
• 11:16
  peace.
• 11:17
  Yeah.
• 11:18
  And
• 11:18
  that
• 11:18
  was
• 11:18
  pretty
• 11:18
  much
• 11:18
  all
• 11:19
  she
• 11:19
  could
• 11:19
  give
• 11:19
  me.
• 11:20
  And
• 11:20
  I
• 11:20
  said,
• 11:20
  do
• 11:21
  you
• 11:21
  want
• 11:21
  me
• 11:21
  to
• 11:21
  take
• 11:22
  those
• 11:22
  words
• 11:22
  and
• 11:22
  create
• 11:22
  something
• 11:23
  with
• 11:23
  them?
• 11:23
  So
• 11:24
  I
• 11:24
  just
• 11:24
  used
• 11:24
  those
• 11:25
  three
• 11:25
  words
• 11:25
  with
• 11:25
  my
• 11:26
  voice
• 11:27
  on
• 11:27
  a
• 11:27
  loop
• 11:28
  with
• 11:29
  some
• 11:29
  piano
• 11:29
  music
• 11:29
  in
• 11:30
  the
• 11:30
  background,
• 11:30
  and
• 11:30
  that
• 11:30
  became
• 11:30
  her
• 11:31
  song
• 11:31
  that
• 11:31
  she
• 11:31
  gave
• 11:31
  to
• 11:31
  her
• 11:32
  grandchildren
• 11:32
  and
• 11:33
  kind
• 11:33
  of
• 11:33
  improvised
• 11:34
  on
• 11:34
  that.
• 11:34
  Beautiful.
• 11:35
  Really,
• 11:36
  really
• 11:36
  beautiful.
• 11:36
  That's
• 11:36
  a
• 11:37
  really
• 11:37
  good
• 11:37
  gift
• 11:37
  to
• 11:37
  give
• 11:37
  someone.
• 11:38
  Yeah.
• 11:39
  Especially
• 11:39
  at
• 11:39
  that
• 11:39
  stage.
• 11:40
  Yeah,
• 11:44
  I'm
• 11:44
  struggling.
• 11:44
  Yeah.
• 11:46
  It's
• 11:46
  an
• 11:46
  interesting
• 11:47
  conversation
• 11:48
  for
• 11:48
  today
• 11:48
  because
• 11:48
  Sarah
• 11:49
  Rose,
• 11:49
  I
• 11:49
  lost
• 11:49
  my
• 11:50
  grandmother
• 11:50
  on
• 11:51
  Monday
• 11:51
  this
• 11:51
  week,
• 11:53
  so
• 11:55
  I'm
• 11:55
  trying
• 11:56
  to
• 11:56
  keep
• 11:56
  it
• 11:56
  together
• 11:56
  here.
• 11:56
  But
• 11:57
  thank
• 11:58
  you
• 11:58
  for
• 11:58
  sharing
• 11:58
  that.
• 11:58
  I'm
• 11:59
  so
• 11:59
  sorry
• 11:59
  for
• 11:59
  your
• 12:00
  thought.
• 12:00
  It
• 12:00
  was
• 12:01
  going
• 12:01
  to
• 12:01
  be
• 12:01
  a
• 12:01
  little
• 12:01
  easier,
• 12:01
  but
• 12:01
  we're
• 12:02
  talking
• 12:02
  about
• 12:02
  a
• 12:02
  lot
• 12:02
  of
• 12:03
  end
• 12:03
  of
• 12:03
  life
• 12:03
  stuff
• 12:03
  and
• 12:04
  I'm
• 12:04
  like,
• 12:04
  holy.
• 12:07
  But
• 12:08
  given
• 12:09
  the
• 12:09
  work
• 12:09
  that
• 12:09
  you
• 12:09
  do,
• 12:11
  I
• 12:12
  imagine
• 12:12
  there
• 12:12
  would
• 12:12
  have
• 12:12
  been
• 12:12
  a
• 12:13
  lot
• 12:13
  of
• 12:13
  challenges
• 12:14
  bringing
• 12:15
  this
• 12:15
  type
• 12:15
  of
• 12:15
  treatment
• 12:16
  to
• 12:16
  hospitals.
• 12:18
  Because
• 12:18
  just
• 12:18
  for
• 12:18
  people
• 12:19
  in
• 12:19
  that
• 12:19
  position,
• 12:20
  families
• 12:20
  especially,
• 12:21
  I
• 12:22
  know
• 12:22
  just
• 12:22
  to
• 12:22
  get
• 12:22
  the
• 12:22
  right
• 12:23
  type
• 12:23
  of
• 12:23
  care
• 12:24
  that
• 12:24
  individuals
• 12:25
  need
• 12:25
  is
• 12:26
  a
• 12:26
  challenge
• 12:26
  on
• 12:26
  its
• 12:27
  own.
• 12:27
  So
• 12:27
  I'm
• 12:27
  wondering
• 12:28
  how
• 12:28
  you
• 12:28
  were
• 12:29
  able
• 12:29
  to
• 12:29
  overcome
• 12:29
  obstacles
• 12:31
  and
• 12:31
  probably
• 12:32
  have
• 12:32
  to
• 12:32
  convince
• 12:32
  people
• 12:33
  that
• 12:33
  what
• 12:33
  you
• 12:33
  do
• 12:35
  actually
• 12:35
  works.
• 12:35
  Was
• 12:36
  there
• 12:36
  science
• 12:36
  that
• 12:37
  you
• 12:37
  had
• 12:37
  to
• 12:37
  go
• 12:38
  with
• 12:38
  that,
• 12:38
  or
• 12:38
  is
• 12:38
  it
• 12:38
  something
• 12:38
  that
• 12:39
  you
• 12:39
  have
• 12:39
  been
• 12:39
  able
• 12:39
  to
• 12:40
  prove
• 12:40
  just
• 12:40
  through
• 12:42
  practice?
• 12:45
  Such
• 12:45
  an
• 12:45
  interesting
• 12:46
  question
• 12:46
  and
• 12:47
  thank
• 12:47
  you
• 12:47
  for
• 12:47
  sharing
• 12:48
  such
• 12:48
  a
• 12:48
  personal
• 12:49
  example
• 12:49
  of
• 12:50
  what
• 12:50
  you've
• 12:50
  been
• 12:50
  through
• 12:50
  and
• 12:52
  bringing
• 12:52
  that
• 12:53
  in.
• 12:55
  People
• 12:56
  are
• 12:56
  often
• 12:56
  skeptical
• 12:57
  when
• 12:57
  I'm
• 12:58
  walking
• 12:58
  around
• 12:58
  the
• 12:59
  hospital
• 12:59
  with
• 12:59
  musical
• 13:00
  instruments
• 13:00
  or
• 13:01
  they
• 13:01
  make
• 13:01
  comments
• 13:01
  around,
• 13:02
  you
• 13:02
  know,
• 13:03
  where's
• 13:03
  the
• 13:04
  concert,
• 13:05
  where's
• 13:06
  the
• 13:06
  party?
• 13:07
  And
• 13:07
  it's
• 13:08
  so
• 13:08
  the
• 13:08
  opposite
• 13:09
  of
• 13:09
  a
• 13:09
  party.
• 13:09
  Sometimes,
• 13:10
  right.
• 13:10
  When
• 13:11
  I'm
• 13:11
  with
• 13:11
  people,
• 13:11
  it's
• 13:12
  so
• 13:12
  serious.
• 13:13
  But
• 13:13
  not
• 13:14
  always.
• 13:14
  Sometimes
• 13:14
  it's
• 13:14
  very
• 13:15
  lighthearted
• 13:16
  and,
• 13:16
  you
• 13:16
  know,
• 13:16
  a
• 13:17
  Person
• 13:17
  asked
• 13:17
  me
• 13:17
  for
• 13:17
  Janis
• 13:18
  Joplin
• 13:18
  yesterday,
• 13:19
  and
• 13:19
  all
• 13:19
  she
• 13:19
  wanted
• 13:19
  to
• 13:19
  do
• 13:20
  was
• 13:20
  rock
• 13:20
  out
• 13:20
  to
• 13:20
  Janis
• 13:21
  Joplin.
• 13:21
  It
• 13:21
  can
• 13:21
  be.
• 13:22
  It
• 13:22
  can
• 13:22
  be
• 13:22
  light.
• 13:23
  Yeah,
• 13:23
  for
• 13:23
  sure.
• 13:24
  But,
• 13:24
  yes,
• 13:25
  there
• 13:25
  has
• 13:25
  to
• 13:25
  be
• 13:26
  an
• 13:26
  evidence
• 13:26
  base.
• 13:27
  And
• 13:27
  luckily,
• 13:27
  there's
• 13:28
  a
• 13:28
  lot
• 13:28
  of
• 13:28
  wonderful
• 13:28
  research
• 13:29
  in
• 13:29
  our
• 13:29
  field.
• 13:30
  I
• 13:30
  feel
• 13:31
  privileged
• 13:31
  to
• 13:31
  have
• 13:31
  been
• 13:32
  able
• 13:32
  to
• 13:32
  take
• 13:32
  part
• 13:32
  in
• 13:32
  research.
• 13:34
  So
• 13:34
  there's
• 13:34
  that
• 13:34
  component
• 13:35
  that
• 13:35
  we
• 13:35
  get
• 13:36
  to
• 13:37
  do
• 13:37
  very
• 13:37
  intentional
• 13:38
  research
• 13:38
  around
• 13:38
  the
• 13:39
  role
• 13:39
  of
• 13:39
  music
• 13:39
  and
• 13:40
  examine
• 13:40
  what
• 13:41
  happens
• 13:41
  to
• 13:41
  people
• 13:41
  when
• 13:41
  they're
• 13:42
  listening
• 13:42
  to
• 13:42
  music,
• 13:43
  both
• 13:43
  from
• 13:44
  a
• 13:44
  very
• 13:45
  quantitative
• 13:46
  perspective,
• 13:46
  what's
• 13:47
  happening
• 13:47
  to
• 13:47
  their
• 13:47
  heart
• 13:48
  rate,
• 13:48
  what's
• 13:48
  happening
• 13:48
  to
• 13:49
  their
• 13:49
  brain,
• 13:50
  and
• 13:50
  a
• 13:50
  qualitative
• 13:51
  perspective.
• 13:51
  What's
• 13:52
  their
• 13:52
  experience?
• 13:52
  What
• 13:53
  are
• 13:53
  they
• 13:53
  feeling
• 13:54
  and
• 13:54
  processing?
• 13:55
  So
• 13:55
  those
• 13:56
  two
• 13:56
  pieces
• 13:56
  are
• 13:56
  helpful,
• 13:57
  but
• 13:58
  I
• 13:58
  find
• 13:58
  what
• 13:58
  is
• 13:58
  the
• 13:59
  most
• 13:59
  convincing
• 14:00
  is
• 14:00
  when
• 14:00
  a
• 14:00
  nurse
• 14:01
  or
• 14:01
  a
• 14:01
  doctor
• 14:01
  is
• 14:01
  in
• 14:01
  the
• 14:02
  room
• 14:02
  with
• 14:02
  me
• 14:02
  and
• 14:02
  they
• 14:03
  see
• 14:03
  it,
• 14:04
  they're
• 14:04
  watching
• 14:04
  it,
• 14:05
  and
• 14:05
  suddenly
• 14:06
  they
• 14:06
  find
• 14:06
  themselves
• 14:07
  a
• 14:07
  bit
• 14:07
  tearful
• 14:07
  or
• 14:08
  they
• 14:08
  find
• 14:08
  themselves
• 14:08
  singing
• 14:09
  along.
• 14:10
  So
• 14:10
  the
• 14:10
  stories
• 14:11
  I
• 14:11
  tell
• 14:11
  and
• 14:11
  then
• 14:12
  the
• 14:12
  experiences
• 14:13
  that
• 14:13
  I
• 14:13
  share
• 14:13
  with
• 14:14
  my
• 14:14
  colleagues
• 14:16
  speaks
• 14:16
  volumes
• 14:17
  more
• 14:17
  than
• 14:17
  the
• 14:17
  research.
• 14:18
  Absolutely.
• 14:19
  What
• 14:19
  kind
• 14:19
  of
• 14:19
  research
• 14:20
  do
• 14:20
  you
• 14:20
  do?
• 14:23
  So,
• 14:23
  a
• 14:23
  few
• 14:23
  different
• 14:24
  types.
• 14:24
  I'm
• 14:24
  very
• 14:25
  much
• 14:25
  a
• 14:25
  qualitative
• 14:25
  girl.
• 14:26
  I'm
• 14:26
  very
• 14:26
  interested
• 14:26
  in
• 14:27
  people's
• 14:27
  experiences.
• 14:29
  And
• 14:30
  through
• 14:30
  my
• 14:31
  PhD
• 14:31
  work,
• 14:32
  I
• 14:33
  looked
• 14:33
  at
• 14:33
  the
• 14:33
  experience
• 14:34
  of
• 14:34
  music
• 14:35
  therapy
• 14:35
  while
• 14:35
  someone
• 14:36
  was
• 14:36
  having
• 14:36
  an
• 14:37
  assisted
• 14:37
  death,
• 14:38
  which
• 14:38
  has
• 14:38
  become
• 14:38
  legal
• 14:39
  in
• 14:39
  Canada
• 14:39
  over
• 14:40
  the
• 14:40
  past
• 14:40
  six
• 14:40
  years.
• 14:40
  You
• 14:41
  can
• 14:41
  choose
• 14:41
  to
• 14:41
  have
• 14:42
  a
• 14:42
  medically
• 14:42
  assisted
• 14:43
  death.
• 14:43
  I
• 14:43
  didn't
• 14:43
  know
• 14:44
  that.
• 14:44
  Mm.
• 14:45
  And
• 14:46
  what
• 14:46
  I
• 14:46
  found
• 14:47
  were
• 14:47
  a
• 14:48
  lot
• 14:48
  of
• 14:48
  my
• 14:48
  patients
• 14:49
  were
• 14:49
  asking
• 14:50
  me
• 14:50
  to
• 14:50
  be
• 14:50
  with
• 14:50
  them
• 14:51
  during
• 14:51
  their
• 14:52
  assisted
• 14:52
  death,
• 14:52
  and
• 14:52
  I
• 14:53
  thought,
• 14:53
  why?
• 14:54
  Why
• 14:54
  do
• 14:54
  they
• 14:54
  want
• 14:55
  music?
• 14:55
  Yeah.
• 14:56
  So
• 14:57
  that
• 14:57
  became
• 14:58
  incentive
• 14:58
  for
• 14:59
  my
• 14:59
  questions.
• 14:59
  So
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  had
• 15:00
  10
• 15:00
  incredible
• 15:01
  people
• 15:02
  willing
• 15:02
  to
• 15:02
  participate
• 15:03
  in
• 15:03
  research,
• 15:03
  plus
• 15:04
  their
• 15:04
  family
• 15:04
  members.
• 15:05
  I
• 15:05
  recorded
• 15:06
  all
• 15:06
  of
• 15:06
  our
• 15:07
  sessions,
• 15:07
  and
• 15:07
  I
• 15:07
  pulled
• 15:08
  out
• 15:08
  the
• 15:08
  themes
• 15:08
  from
• 15:09
  those
• 15:09
  sessions.
• 15:09
  What's.
• 15:11
  What's
• 15:11
  going
• 15:11
  on
• 15:12
  in
• 15:12
  their
• 15:12
  experience
• 15:12
  and
• 15:13
  what's
• 15:13
  the
• 15:13
  same
• 15:13
  session
• 15:14
  to
• 15:14
  session
• 15:14
  and
• 15:15
  person
• 15:15
  to
• 15:15
  person.
• 15:15
  Yeah.
• 15:16
  So
• 15:16
  I
• 15:16
  wrote
• 15:16
  that
• 15:17
  up
• 15:17
  as
• 15:17
  a
• 15:17
  study,
• 15:18
  but
• 15:19
  on
• 15:19
  a
• 15:19
  different
• 15:20
  note.
• 15:20
  I'm
• 15:20
  really
• 15:21
  interested
• 15:21
  in
• 15:21
  the
• 15:21
  experience
• 15:21
  of
• 15:22
  young
• 15:22
  adults
• 15:22
  with
• 15:23
  cancer
• 15:23
  using
• 15:24
  music
• 15:24
  to
• 15:24
  process
• 15:24
  their
• 15:25
  experience.
• 15:26
  So
• 15:26
  I
• 15:26
  have
• 15:26
  a
• 15:27
  research
• 15:27
  project
• 15:27
  going
• 15:28
  where
• 15:28
  we
• 15:28
  run
• 15:28
  groups
• 15:29
  with
• 15:29
  young
• 15:29
  adults
• 15:30
  and
• 15:30
  they
• 15:30
  engage
• 15:31
  in
• 15:31
  music
• 15:31
  therapy,
• 15:32
  they
• 15:32
  improvise,
• 15:32
  they
• 15:33
  play
• 15:33
  drums
• 15:33
  with
• 15:33
  us,
• 15:34
  they
• 15:34
  write
• 15:34
  songs
• 15:34
  with
• 15:35
  us,
• 15:35
  and
• 15:36
  then
• 15:36
  we
• 15:36
  look
• 15:36
  at
• 15:37
  how
• 15:37
  they
• 15:37
  feel
• 15:38
  connected
• 15:38
  to
• 15:38
  the
• 15:38
  people
• 15:39
  in
• 15:39
  the
• 15:39
  group
• 15:39
  with
• 15:39
  them.
• 15:40
  Do
• 15:40
  they
• 15:40
  feel
• 15:41
  more
• 15:41
  engaged?
• 15:42
  Do
• 15:42
  they
• 15:42
  feel
• 15:42
  more
• 15:43
  supported?
• 15:43
  Things
• 15:43
  like
• 15:43
  that?
• 15:44
  Are
• 15:44
  there
• 15:44
  any
• 15:45
  brain
• 15:46
  scans
• 15:46
  or
• 15:46
  any.
• 15:47
  That
• 15:47
  sort
• 15:48
  of
• 15:48
  thing?
• 15:48
  Have
• 15:48
  you
• 15:48
  done
• 15:48
  that?
• 15:49
  So,
• 15:49
  I
• 15:49
  haven't
• 15:50
  personally,
• 15:50
  but
• 15:50
  I
• 15:51
  have
• 15:51
  colleagues
• 15:51
  at,
• 15:52
  for
• 15:52
  example,
• 15:53
  different
• 15:54
  facilities
• 15:54
  who
• 15:55
  look
• 15:55
  at.
• 15:55
  Yes.
• 15:55
  Neuroimaging
• 15:56
  brain
• 15:57
  scans,
• 15:58
  measuring
• 15:59
  things.
• 15:59
  Very
• 16:00
  specific.
• 16:00
  A
• 16:00
  lot
• 16:01
  happens
• 16:01
  with
• 16:01
  the
• 16:01
  elderly,
• 16:02
  with
• 16:02
  older
• 16:03
  adults
• 16:04
  with
• 16:04
  dementia.
• 16:05
  And
• 16:05
  you
• 16:05
  see
• 16:05
  the
• 16:06
  brain
• 16:06
  light
• 16:06
  up
• 16:07
  in
• 16:07
  all
• 16:07
  of
• 16:07
  these
• 16:07
  different
• 16:07
  places.
• 16:08
  Right.
• 16:09
  Not
• 16:09
  my
• 16:09
  area
• 16:09
  of
• 16:09
  expertise,
• 16:10
  but
• 16:10
  there's
• 16:10
  a
• 16:10
  lot
• 16:11
  of
• 16:11
  great
• 16:11
  stuff
• 16:11
  out
• 16:11
  there.
• 16:12
  Okay.
• 16:14
  During
• 16:14
  those.
• 16:15
  When.
• 16:15
  When
• 16:15
  somebody
• 16:16
  asks
• 16:17
  you
• 16:17
  or
• 16:17
  wants
• 16:18
  you
• 16:18
  to
• 16:18
  be
• 16:18
  there
• 16:18
  in
• 16:19
  their
• 16:19
  final
• 16:19
  moments,
• 16:21
  what
• 16:21
  is
• 16:21
  that
• 16:22
  experience
• 16:22
  like
• 16:23
  for
• 16:23
  you?
• 16:23
  Is
• 16:23
  it
• 16:24
  taxing?
• 16:24
  Is
• 16:24
  it
• 16:24
  something
• 16:25
  that
• 16:25
  sometimes
• 16:25
  you're
• 16:26
  like,
• 16:26
  I
• 16:26
  can't
• 16:26
  do
• 16:26
  this
• 16:27
  this
• 16:27
  week
• 16:27
  anymore.
• 16:28
  I
• 16:28
  need
• 16:28
  a
• 16:28
  break.
• 16:29
  How
• 16:29
  does
• 16:29
  that
• 16:29
  feel?
• 16:30
  Or
• 16:30
  is
• 16:30
  it
• 16:30
  something
• 16:31
  that's
• 16:31
  just,
• 16:31
  you
• 16:31
  know,
• 16:32
  part
• 16:32
  of
• 16:33
  the
• 16:33
  job
• 16:33
  and.
• 16:34
  And
• 16:34
  you've
• 16:34
  learned
• 16:35
  to
• 16:35
  get
• 16:35
  used
• 16:35
  to
• 16:35
  it?
• 16:38
  Thanks
• 16:38
  for
• 16:38
  asking
• 16:38
  that.
• 16:40
  It
• 16:40
  depends
• 16:40
  on
• 16:41
  the
• 16:41
  week.
• 16:41
  And
• 16:41
  yes,
• 16:42
  it's
• 16:44
  challenging
• 16:44
  at
• 16:44
  times,
• 16:45
  sometimes
• 16:45
  more
• 16:45
  than
• 16:46
  others.
• 16:46
  It
• 16:46
  depends
• 16:47
  on
• 16:47
  what's
• 16:47
  going
• 16:47
  on
• 16:47
  in
• 16:47
  my
• 16:47
  personal
• 16:48
  life
• 16:48
  too.
• 16:49
  But
• 16:49
  there's
• 16:49
  a
• 16:50
  lot
• 16:50
  of
• 16:50
  things
• 16:50
  that
• 16:50
  we
• 16:51
  put
• 16:51
  into
• 16:51
  place
• 16:51
  as
• 16:52
  therapists
• 16:52
  so
• 16:53
  we
• 16:53
  can
• 16:53
  show
• 16:53
  up
• 16:53
  the
• 16:54
  next
• 16:54
  day
• 16:54
  and
• 16:54
  the
• 16:54
  next
• 16:55
  day.
• 16:55
  And
• 16:55
  that
• 16:55
  includes
• 16:56
  things
• 16:56
  like
• 16:56
  personal
• 16:57
  therapy.
• 16:58
  That
• 16:58
  includes
• 16:59
  supervision.
• 16:59
  So
• 17:00
  I
• 17:00
  have
• 17:01
  colleagues
• 17:02
  and
• 17:03
  people
• 17:03
  senior
• 17:03
  to
• 17:03
  me
• 17:04
  who
• 17:04
  I
• 17:04
  can
• 17:04
  talk
• 17:04
  to,
• 17:05
  who
• 17:05
  I
• 17:05
  do
• 17:05
  talk
• 17:05
  to
• 17:05
  regularly.
• 17:07
  I
• 17:07
  do
• 17:07
  a
• 17:07
  lot
• 17:07
  of
• 17:07
  peer
• 17:08
  to
• 17:08
  peer
• 17:08
  support.
• 17:09
  So
• 17:09
  I
• 17:09
  can
• 17:09
  call
• 17:09
  my
• 17:09
  music
• 17:10
  therapy
• 17:10
  friends
• 17:10
  and
• 17:11
  say,
• 17:11
  oh,
• 17:11
  my
• 17:11
  God,
• 17:12
  this
• 17:12
  happened.
• 17:12
  Can
• 17:13
  I
• 17:13
  just
• 17:13
  talk
• 17:13
  it
• 17:13
  through?
• 17:14
  Because
• 17:14
  it
• 17:14
  was
• 17:14
  really
• 17:15
  hard
• 17:16
  and
• 17:16
  I
• 17:16
  have
• 17:17
  to
• 17:17
  learn
• 17:17
  how
• 17:17
  to
• 17:17
  take
• 17:17
  breaks
• 17:18
  and
• 17:18
  not
• 17:18
  just
• 17:18
  go
• 17:19
  room
• 17:19
  to
• 17:19
  room
• 17:19
  to
• 17:20
  room
• 17:20
  and
• 17:20
  pause
• 17:20
  in
• 17:21
  between
• 17:22
  and
• 17:22
  acknowledge
• 17:22
  if
• 17:23
  I'm
• 17:23
  having
• 17:23
  a
• 17:23
  hard
• 17:23
  day,
• 17:24
  but
• 17:24
  also
• 17:24
  acknowledge
• 17:26
  that
• 17:26
  when
• 17:26
  I'm
• 17:26
  in
• 17:26
  the
• 17:26
  room,
• 17:27
  that
• 17:27
  person's
• 17:27
  experience
• 17:28
  is
• 17:28
  not
• 17:28
  my
• 17:28
  experience,
• 17:29
  that's
• 17:29
  not
• 17:30
  a
• 17:30
  family
• 17:30
  member
• 17:30
  of
• 17:30
  mine.
• 17:31
  And
• 17:31
  I
• 17:31
  have
• 17:31
  to
• 17:31
  kind
• 17:31
  of
• 17:32
  separate
• 17:32
  myself
• 17:33
  a
• 17:33
  little
• 17:33
  bit.
• 17:34
  But
• 17:34
  I
• 17:34
  tell
• 17:34
  my
• 17:35
  students
• 17:35
  it's
• 17:36
  okay
• 17:36
  to
• 17:36
  cry
• 17:36
  in
• 17:36
  the
• 17:36
  room.
• 17:37
  That's
• 17:38
  very
• 17:38
  empathic.
• 17:38
  If
• 17:38
  a
• 17:39
  family
• 17:39
  sees
• 17:39
  you
• 17:40
  connecting
• 17:40
  and
• 17:40
  becoming
• 17:41
  emotional,
• 17:41
  that's
• 17:42
  normal,
• 17:42
  for
• 17:43
  sure.
• 17:43
  Do
• 17:44
  you
• 17:44
  ever
• 17:44
  get
• 17:44
  compassion
• 17:45
  fatigue?
• 17:47
  Absolutely.
• 17:48
  Absolutely.
• 17:49
  I
• 17:49
  don't
• 17:49
  really
• 17:49
  know
• 17:49
  anyone
• 17:50
  who
• 17:50
  doesn't
• 17:52
  within
• 17:52
  my
• 17:53
  group
• 17:53
  of
• 17:53
  colleagues.
• 17:55
  How
• 17:55
  do
• 17:55
  you
• 17:56
  deal
• 17:56
  with
• 17:56
  that?
• 17:59
  And
• 17:59
  I
• 17:59
  guess
• 17:59
  there's
• 18:00
  another
• 18:00
  part
• 18:00
  of
• 18:01
  my
• 18:01
  question
• 18:01
  is
• 18:02
  for
• 18:02
  some
• 18:02
  people,
• 18:03
  like
• 18:03
  myself,
• 18:03
  music
• 18:04
  is
• 18:04
  kind
• 18:04
  of
• 18:05
  my
• 18:05
  thing,
• 18:05
  therapy.
• 18:06
  But
• 18:06
  if
• 18:06
  you're
• 18:06
  doing
• 18:07
  musical
• 18:07
  therapy
• 18:08
  all
• 18:08
  the
• 18:08
  time,
• 18:09
  do
• 18:09
  you
• 18:10
  have
• 18:10
  any
• 18:11
  personal
• 18:11
  musical
• 18:12
  therapy
• 18:12
  time
• 18:13
  for
• 18:13
  yourself,
• 18:13
  or
• 18:13
  do
• 18:13
  you
• 18:13
  just
• 18:13
  see
• 18:14
  it
• 18:14
  as
• 18:14
  like,
• 18:14
  that's
• 18:15
  work
• 18:15
  now,
• 18:15
  and
• 18:15
  you
• 18:15
  don't
• 18:16
  really
• 18:16
  do
• 18:16
  the
• 18:16
  music
• 18:16
  as
• 18:17
  like
• 18:17
  a
• 18:17
  hobby
• 18:17
  or
• 18:18
  a
• 18:18
  way
• 18:18
  to
• 18:19
  kind
• 18:19
  of
• 18:19
  escape
• 18:20
  the
• 18:20
  stress
• 18:21
  of
• 18:21
  work?
• 18:21
  Do
• 18:21
  you
• 18:21
  know
• 18:21
  what
• 18:22
  I
• 18:22
  mean?
• 18:22
  Yes,
• 18:23
  absolutely.
• 18:24
  That's
• 18:24
  so
• 18:24
  intuitive
• 18:25
  that
• 18:25
  you
• 18:25
  ask
• 18:25
  that.
• 18:25
  Because
• 18:26
  I've
• 18:26
  struggled
• 18:26
  with
• 18:26
  that,
• 18:27
  for
• 18:27
  sure.
• 18:27
  You
• 18:27
  know,
• 18:28
  my
• 18:28
  husband's
• 18:28
  a
• 18:28
  musician,
• 18:29
  too,
• 18:29
  and
• 18:29
  people
• 18:30
  often
• 18:30
  say,
• 18:30
  do
• 18:30
  you
• 18:30
  guys
• 18:31
  play
• 18:31
  together
• 18:31
  all
• 18:31
  the
• 18:31
  time?
• 18:32
  And,
• 18:32
  you
• 18:32
  know,
• 18:33
  because
• 18:33
  it's
• 18:33
  work
• 18:33
  for
• 18:33
  both
• 18:34
  of
• 18:34
  us.
• 18:34
  We
• 18:34
  don't
• 18:35
  as
• 18:35
  much
• 18:36
  these
• 18:36
  days.
• 18:36
  We
• 18:36
  have
• 18:37
  a
• 18:37
  ton
• 18:37
  in
• 18:37
  the
• 18:37
  past,
• 18:38
  but
• 18:39
  I
• 18:39
  have
• 18:39
  to
• 18:39
  separate
• 18:41
  music
• 18:41
  for
• 18:41
  work
• 18:42
  and
• 18:42
  music
• 18:42
  for
• 18:43
  fun.
• 18:43
  And
• 18:43
  there
• 18:44
  are
• 18:44
  days
• 18:44
  when,
• 18:44
  no,
• 18:44
  I
• 18:44
  don't
• 18:44
  want
• 18:45
  to
• 18:45
  play
• 18:45
  music
• 18:45
  for
• 18:45
  myself,
• 18:46
  and
• 18:46
  there
• 18:46
  are
• 18:46
  days
• 18:46
  when
• 18:47
  I
• 18:47
  need
• 18:47
  to
• 18:48
  play
• 18:48
  music
• 18:48
  for
• 18:48
  myself
• 18:49
  or
• 18:49
  sing.
• 18:50
  So,
• 18:52
  yes,
• 18:52
  compassion
• 18:53
  fatigue
• 18:53
  is
• 18:53
  so
• 18:54
  real.
• 18:54
  I
• 18:54
  love
• 18:54
  doing
• 18:55
  things
• 18:55
  that
• 18:55
  are
• 18:55
  totally
• 18:56
  not
• 18:56
  related
• 18:57
  to
• 18:57
  my
• 18:57
  job,
• 18:58
  like
• 18:58
  running,
• 18:59
  biking,
• 18:59
  being
• 18:59
  outside,
• 19:01
  reading,
• 19:01
  writing,
• 19:03
  just
• 19:03
  separating,
• 19:04
  but
• 19:05
  also
• 19:05
  leaning
• 19:06
  right
• 19:06
  in.
• 19:06
  And
• 19:06
  I've
• 19:07
  done
• 19:07
  songwriting
• 19:08
  for
• 19:08
  myself
• 19:08
  about
• 19:09
  my
• 19:09
  patients
• 19:09
  that
• 19:10
  I
• 19:10
  just
• 19:10
  keep
• 19:10
  very
• 19:11
  personal
• 19:11
  because
• 19:11
  I
• 19:11
  need
• 19:12
  to
• 19:12
  express
• 19:12
  for
• 19:13
  sure
• 19:13
  how
• 19:13
  much
• 19:13
  they've
• 19:13
  impacted
• 19:14
  me.
• 19:15
  It's
• 19:15
  a
• 19:15
  balance.
• 19:16
  How
• 19:16
  important
• 19:17
  is
• 19:17
  the
• 19:17
  exercise
• 19:18
  element?
• 19:19
  Because
• 19:19
  I
• 19:19
  find
• 19:20
  anytime
• 19:21
  I
• 19:21
  personally
• 19:22
  am
• 19:22
  in
• 19:22
  a
• 19:22
  weird
• 19:22
  headspace
• 19:23
  or
• 19:23
  feeling
• 19:24
  emotional,
• 19:24
  that
• 19:25
  exercise
• 19:26
  or
• 19:26
  getting
• 19:26
  outside
• 19:27
  is
• 19:27
  vital.
• 19:28
  Like,
• 19:28
  I
• 19:28
  don't
• 19:29
  know
• 19:29
  what
• 19:29
  it
• 19:29
  is.
• 19:29
  I
• 19:29
  have
• 19:30
  no
• 19:30
  scientific
• 19:32
  data
• 19:32
  to
• 19:32
  back
• 19:32
  it
• 19:33
  up.
• 19:33
  But
• 19:33
  I
• 19:33
  feel
• 19:34
  better
• 19:34
  every
• 19:34
  time
• 19:35
  I
• 19:35
  go
• 19:35
  on
• 19:35
  for
• 19:35
  a
• 19:36
  bike
• 19:36
  ride
• 19:36
  or
• 19:36
  go
• 19:36
  for
• 19:36
  run.
• 19:37
  And
• 19:37
  I
• 19:37
  can
• 19:37
  think
• 19:38
  and,
• 19:38
  like,
• 19:38
  there's
• 19:38
  clarity
• 19:39
  and,
• 19:39
  I
• 19:40
  don't
• 19:40
  know,
• 19:40
  there's
• 19:40
  a
• 19:40
  bunch.
• 19:41
  So
• 19:41
  is
• 19:41
  exercise
• 19:42
  vital,
• 19:43
  do
• 19:43
  you
• 19:43
  think,
• 19:43
  for
• 19:44
  your.
• 19:45
  Not
• 19:45
  therapy,
• 19:45
  but
• 19:45
  for
• 19:46
  your
• 19:46
  release?
• 19:46
  And
• 19:46
  would
• 19:47
  you
• 19:47
  probably
• 19:48
  share
• 19:49
  with
• 19:49
  others
• 19:49
  that
• 19:50
  that's
• 19:50
  probably
• 19:51
  number
• 19:52
  one
• 19:52
  or
• 19:52
  two
• 19:53
  in
• 19:53
  life
• 19:54
  as
• 19:54
  far
• 19:54
  as,
• 19:54
  like,
• 19:55
  anyone.
• 19:55
  Because
• 19:55
  it's
• 19:55
  not
• 19:55
  just
• 19:56
  in
• 19:56
  your
• 19:56
  field.
• 19:56
  Like,
• 19:57
  everybody
• 19:57
  gets
• 19:57
  stressed.
• 19:58
  And
• 19:58
  I
• 19:58
  think
• 19:58
  for
• 19:59
  me,
• 20:00
  just
• 20:00
  running
• 20:00
  and
• 20:00
  exercise
• 20:01
  is
• 20:01
  just
• 20:01
  so
• 20:01
  important.
• 20:02
  And
• 20:02
  I
• 20:02
  was
• 20:03
  wondering
• 20:03
  if
• 20:03
  you
• 20:03
  feel
• 20:04
  the
• 20:04
  same
• 20:04
  way,
• 20:05
  like,
• 20:05
  after
• 20:05
  a
• 20:05
  run
• 20:06
  or
• 20:06
  after
• 20:06
  you
• 20:07
  do
• 20:07
  that
• 20:07
  exercise,
• 20:08
  do
• 20:08
  you
• 20:08
  feel
• 20:08
  like,
• 20:08
  okay,
• 20:09
  I
• 20:09
  can
• 20:09
  get
• 20:10
  through
• 20:10
  this.
• 20:11
  You
• 20:11
  said
• 20:11
  it
• 20:11
  so
• 20:12
  well.
• 20:12
  Just
• 20:12
  you
• 20:13
  articulated
• 20:13
  it
• 20:14
  all.
• 20:14
  Yes,
• 20:15
  yes.
• 20:15
  And
• 20:15
  yes.
• 20:16
  I
• 20:16
  encourage.
• 20:17
  I
• 20:17
  mean,
• 20:17
  it's
• 20:17
  such
• 20:18
  a
• 20:18
  big
• 20:18
  deal
• 20:18
  in
• 20:18
  my
• 20:18
  life
• 20:19
  to
• 20:19
  find
• 20:19
  movement
• 20:20
  and
• 20:20
  exercise,
• 20:20
  but
• 20:21
  I
• 20:21
  encourage
• 20:21
  my
• 20:22
  trainees
• 20:23
  and
• 20:23
  my
• 20:23
  peers,
• 20:23
  you
• 20:24
  know,
• 20:24
  go
• 20:24
  out
• 20:24
  for
• 20:24
  a
• 20:24
  walk.
• 20:25
  Have
• 20:25
  you
• 20:25
  stretched
• 20:25
  today?
• 20:26
  Have
• 20:26
  you
• 20:26
  moved?
• 20:27
  Because
• 20:27
  we
• 20:27
  carry
• 20:28
  experiences
• 20:28
  in
• 20:29
  our
• 20:29
  bodies.
• 20:29
  So
• 20:29
  when
• 20:30
  I'm
• 20:30
  at
• 20:30
  the
• 20:30
  bedside
• 20:30
  and
• 20:31
  someone's
• 20:31
  head
• 20:31
  having
• 20:31
  a
• 20:31
  very
• 20:32
  visceral
• 20:33
  experience
• 20:33
  of
• 20:33
  pain,
• 20:34
  we're
• 20:34
  in
• 20:35
  it
• 20:35
  with
• 20:35
  them.
• 20:35
  We
• 20:36
  don't
• 20:36
  experience
• 20:36
  it,
• 20:36
  but
• 20:37
  we
• 20:37
  watch
• 20:37
  it.
• 20:38
  We
• 20:38
  witness
• 20:39
  and
• 20:39
  that
• 20:39
  we
• 20:39
  can
• 20:39
  hold
• 20:40
  that
• 20:40
  in
• 20:40
  our
• 20:40
  bodies.
• 20:41
  Absolutely.
• 20:42
  So
• 20:42
  to
• 20:42
  your
• 20:43
  point,
• 20:43
  I
• 20:44
  make
• 20:44
  it
• 20:44
  a
• 20:44
  very
• 20:44
  regular
• 20:45
  practice
• 20:45
  to
• 20:45
  move.
• 20:46
  The
• 20:46
  way
• 20:46
  that
• 20:46
  I
• 20:46
  actually
• 20:47
  get
• 20:47
  into
• 20:48
  work
• 20:48
  every
• 20:48
  day
• 20:48
  is
• 20:49
  mostly
• 20:49
  running.
• 20:50
  So
• 20:50
  I'm
• 20:50
  a
• 20:50
  run
• 20:51
  commuter
• 20:52
  or
• 20:52
  I'm
• 20:52
  a
• 20:52
  biker
• 20:53
  to
• 20:53
  work
• 20:53
  and
• 20:53
  back.
• 20:53
  And
• 20:54
  that
• 20:54
  has
• 20:54
  made
• 20:54
  all
• 20:55
  of
• 20:55
  the
• 20:55
  difference
• 20:55
  to
• 20:56
  start
• 20:56
  my
• 20:57
  day
• 20:57
  that
• 20:57
  way
• 20:57
  and
• 20:58
  then
• 20:58
  end
• 20:58
  my
• 20:58
  day
• 20:58
  that
• 20:59
  way.
• 20:59
  I
• 20:59
  could
• 20:59
  imagine
• 21:00
  getting
• 21:01
  that
• 21:01
  out
• 21:01
  before
• 21:02
  you
• 21:02
  get
• 21:02
  in
• 21:02
  the
• 21:02
  door
• 21:03
  must
• 21:03
  be
• 21:03
  so
• 21:04
  important.
• 21:04
  That's
• 21:04
  awesome.
• 21:05
  So
• 21:06
  I've
• 21:06
  been
• 21:06
  talking,
• 21:06
  too.
• 21:07
  No,
• 21:07
  these
• 21:07
  are
• 21:07
  great
• 21:07
  questions.
• 21:08
  So
• 21:09
  I
• 21:10
  thought
• 21:10
  I
• 21:10
  asked
• 21:10
  you
• 21:10
  a
• 21:10
  little
• 21:11
  bit
• 21:11
  about
• 21:11
  the
• 21:11
  resistance,
• 21:12
  possibly
• 21:12
  from
• 21:12
  the
• 21:12
  hospital.
• 21:13
  What
• 21:14
  about
• 21:14
  families,
• 21:14
  though?
• 21:15
  Do
• 21:15
  you
• 21:15
  ever
• 21:15
  get
• 21:16
  any
• 21:16
  resistance
• 21:16
  from
• 21:16
  families
• 21:17
  when
• 21:17
  patients
• 21:18
  may
• 21:18
  have
• 21:18
  heard
• 21:19
  of
• 21:19
  you
• 21:19
  or
• 21:19
  seen
• 21:19
  your
• 21:19
  work
• 21:20
  and
• 21:20
  request
• 21:20
  you,
• 21:20
  and
• 21:21
  then
• 21:21
  you
• 21:21
  have
• 21:21
  to
• 21:21
  deal
• 21:21
  with
• 21:22
  others
• 21:22
  who
• 21:22
  maybe
• 21:22
  don't
• 21:23
  believe.
• 21:25
  Absolutely.
• 21:27
  It's
• 21:27
  incredible
• 21:28
  how
• 21:28
  resistant
• 21:29
  people
• 21:29
  can
• 21:29
  be.
• 21:29
  And
• 21:30
  often
• 21:30
  it
• 21:30
  can
• 21:30
  come
• 21:31
  from
• 21:31
  a
• 21:31
  place
• 21:31
  of
• 21:33
  unknowing
• 21:34
  or
• 21:34
  maybe
• 21:35
  a
• 21:35
  little
• 21:35
  bit
• 21:35
  of
• 21:35
  fear
• 21:36
  and
• 21:36
  a
• 21:36
  little
• 21:36
  bit
• 21:36
  of
• 21:37
  wanting
• 21:37
  to
• 21:37
  protect
• 21:37
  their
• 21:38
  loved
• 21:38
  ones.
• 21:38
  So
• 21:39
  families
• 21:39
  are
• 21:39
  often
• 21:39
  like,
• 21:40
  no,
• 21:41
  it's
• 21:42
  too
• 21:42
  much.
• 21:42
  It's
• 21:43
  too
• 21:43
  emotional.
• 21:44
  She
• 21:44
  doesn't
• 21:44
  need
• 21:44
  that.
• 21:45
  He
• 21:45
  doesn't
• 21:45
  need
• 21:45
  that.
• 21:46
  We
• 21:46
  have
• 21:46
  our
• 21:46
  own
• 21:47
  music.
• 21:47
  We're
• 21:47
  playing
• 21:47
  music
• 21:48
  on
• 21:48
  a
• 21:48
  recording.
• 21:49
  I
• 21:50
  always
• 21:50
  encourage
• 21:50
  that,
• 21:51
  and
• 21:51
  I
• 21:51
  never
• 21:51
  push
• 21:51
  it.
• 21:52
  But
• 21:52
  also,
• 21:53
  at
• 21:53
  such
• 21:53
  a
• 21:54
  tender
• 21:54
  time,
• 21:55
  sometimes
• 21:55
  it's
• 21:55
  tricky
• 21:56
  to
• 21:56
  even
• 21:56
  get
• 21:56
  into
• 21:56
  the
• 21:57
  room.
• 21:57
  And
• 21:58
  I
• 21:58
  never
• 21:58
  want
• 21:58
  to
• 21:59
  force
• 21:59
  that.
• 22:00
  Sometimes
• 22:01
  it's
• 22:01
  helpful
• 22:01
  if
• 22:01
  another
• 22:02
  staff
• 22:02
  member
• 22:02
  introduces
• 22:03
  me
• 22:03
  like
• 22:03
  a
• 22:04
  doctor
• 22:04
  or
• 22:04
  a
• 22:04
  nurse,
• 22:05
  and
• 22:05
  introduces
• 22:06
  the
• 22:06
  fact
• 22:06
  that
• 22:06
  I'm
• 22:06
  in
• 22:07
  there
• 22:07
  with
• 22:07
  a
• 22:08
  specific
• 22:08
  purpose.
• 22:09
  Right.
• 22:11
  Just
• 22:11
  to
• 22:11
  follow
• 22:11
  up
• 22:11
  on
• 22:12
  that,
• 22:12
  too,
• 22:12
  because
• 22:12
  in,
• 22:13
  I
• 22:14
  guess,
• 22:14
  introducing
• 22:15
  it
• 22:15
  to
• 22:15
  families
• 22:16
  or
• 22:17
  patients
• 22:17
  even.
• 22:20
  Is
• 22:20
  the
• 22:20
  therapy
• 22:21
  based
• 22:21
  on
• 22:22
  more
• 22:23
  of
• 22:23
  just
• 22:23
  helping
• 22:24
  people
• 22:24
  feel
• 22:25
  better
• 22:25
  during
• 22:25
  that
• 22:26
  stage,
• 22:26
  or
• 22:27
  is
• 22:27
  there
• 22:27
  any
• 22:28
  aspect
• 22:28
  of,
• 22:29
  I
• 22:30
  guess,
• 22:30
  recovery
• 22:31
  or
• 22:31
  rehab
• 22:32
  involved
• 22:32
  through
• 22:33
  music?
• 22:35
  Both,
• 22:36
  I
• 22:36
  would
• 22:36
  say.
• 22:37
  I
• 22:37
  do
• 22:37
  very
• 22:37
  specific
• 22:39
  things
• 22:39
  that
• 22:40
  are
• 22:40
  physical,
• 22:41
  like
• 22:41
  heartbeat
• 22:41
  regulation
• 22:42
  or
• 22:43
  regulating
• 22:43
  someone's
• 22:44
  breathing
• 22:44
  through
• 22:45
  music
• 22:46
  or.
• 22:46
  But
• 22:46
  if
• 22:47
  someone
• 22:47
  is
• 22:47
  on
• 22:48
  the
• 22:48
  road
• 22:48
  to
• 22:48
  recovery
• 22:48
  post
• 22:49
  chemotherapy,
• 22:50
  maybe
• 22:50
  they're
• 22:50
  what
• 22:51
  we
• 22:51
  would
• 22:51
  call
• 22:51
  deconditioned.
• 22:52
  They
• 22:52
  haven't
• 22:52
  been
• 22:53
  moving
• 22:53
  as
• 22:53
  much.
• 22:54
  Sometimes
• 22:55
  they
• 22:55
  want
• 22:55
  some
• 22:56
  motivation
• 22:56
  to
• 22:56
  kind
• 22:56
  of
• 22:57
  get
• 22:57
  out
• 22:57
  of
• 22:57
  bed
• 22:57
  and
• 22:57
  move
• 22:58
  their
• 22:58
  arms
• 22:58
  and
• 22:58
  move
• 22:58
  their
• 22:59
  bodies.
• 22:59
  And
• 22:59
  I
• 22:59
  might
• 22:59
  use
• 23:00
  music
• 23:00
  to
• 23:00
  motivate
• 23:01
  that,
• 23:01
  because
• 23:02
  often
• 23:03
  our
• 23:03
  motor
• 23:03
  cortex
• 23:04
  in
• 23:04
  our
• 23:04
  brain
• 23:04
  is
• 23:04
  activated
• 23:05
  when
• 23:05
  we
• 23:06
  listen
• 23:06
  to
• 23:07
  music
• 23:07
  at
• 23:07
  a
• 23:07
  certain
• 23:07
  tempo.
• 23:08
  And
• 23:09
  what's
• 23:09
  neat
• 23:09
  is
• 23:09
  people,
• 23:10
  as
• 23:11
  you
• 23:11
  can
• 23:11
  imagine,
• 23:11
  feel
• 23:12
  motivated
• 23:12
  to
• 23:12
  move.
• 23:12
  If
• 23:13
  you
• 23:13
  think
• 23:13
  about
• 23:13
  yourself
• 23:14
  exercising
• 23:14
  or
• 23:14
  yourself
• 23:15
  even
• 23:15
  dancing,
• 23:16
  it's
• 23:16
  way
• 23:16
  easier
• 23:17
  with
• 23:17
  good
• 23:17
  music.
• 23:18
  The
• 23:18
  same
• 23:18
  principle.
• 23:19
  So,
• 23:19
  yes,
• 23:20
  rehabilitation
• 23:21
  can
• 23:21
  be
• 23:21
  a
• 23:21
  big
• 23:21
  part
• 23:21
  of
• 23:22
  what
• 23:22
  my
• 23:23
  role
• 23:23
  is.
• 23:24
  And
• 23:24
  that's
• 23:24
  also
• 23:24
  why
• 23:25
  a
• 23:25
  lot
• 23:25
  of
• 23:26
  dance
• 23:26
  music
• 23:27
  and
• 23:27
  electronic
• 23:28
  music
• 23:28
  in
• 23:28
  general
• 23:29
  is
• 23:29
  almost
• 23:30
  always
• 23:30
  120
• 23:31
  beats
• 23:32
  per
• 23:32
  minute.
• 23:32
  Because
• 23:32
  that's
• 23:33
  twice
• 23:34
  the
• 23:34
  resting
• 23:34
  heart
• 23:34
  rate.
• 23:35
  Exactly.
• 23:36
  And
• 23:36
  why
• 23:36
  I
• 23:36
  often
• 23:37
  tune
• 23:37
  in
• 23:37
  at
• 23:37
  60
• 23:38
  beats
• 23:38
  per
• 23:38
  minute
• 23:38
  when
• 23:38
  I'm
• 23:39
  trying
• 23:39
  to
• 23:39
  regulate
• 23:40
  someone's
• 23:40
  heartbeat.
• 23:41
  So,
• 23:41
  to
• 23:41
  your
• 23:41
  point.
• 23:41
  Exactly.
• 23:42
  Yeah.
• 23:43
  Science.
• 23:44
  Beautiful
• 23:44
  science.
• 23:45
  Yeah.
• 23:45
  And
• 23:45
  now
• 23:46
  there's
• 23:47
  evidence
• 23:47
  that
• 23:48
  there
• 23:49
  are
• 23:49
  about
• 23:50
  40,
• 23:50
  000
• 23:51
  neurons
• 23:51
  on
• 23:51
  the
• 23:52
  heart
• 23:52
  itself,
• 23:53
  which
• 23:54
  gives
• 23:54
  the
• 23:54
  idea
• 23:54
  that
• 23:55
  the
• 23:55
  heart
• 23:55
  does
• 23:56
  some
• 23:56
  thinking
• 23:56
  as
• 23:57
  well.
• 23:57
  So
• 23:58
  that
• 23:58
  idea
• 23:58
  that,
• 23:59
  you
• 23:59
  know,
• 23:59
  you
• 23:59
  feel
• 24:00
  things
• 24:00
  in
• 24:00
  your
• 24:00
  heart,
• 24:00
  it's
• 24:01
  not
• 24:02
  completely
• 24:02
  just
• 24:02
  emotional.
• 24:03
  There's
• 24:03
  an
• 24:04
  actual,
• 24:05
  possibly
• 24:05
  scientific
• 24:06
  reason
• 24:06
  for
• 24:06
  that
• 24:06
  as
• 24:07
  well.
• 24:08
  So
• 24:08
  it's
• 24:09
  making
• 24:09
  more
• 24:09
  and
• 24:09
  more
• 24:10
  sense
• 24:10
  how
• 24:11
  using
• 24:11
  sound
• 24:12
  and
• 24:12
  pulses
• 24:13
  and
• 24:13
  visuals
• 24:13
  and
• 24:13
  any
• 24:13
  other
• 24:14
  other
• 24:14
  senses
• 24:15
  with
• 24:15
  rhythm,
• 24:16
  when
• 24:16
  you
• 24:17
  sync
• 24:17
  that
• 24:17
  up
• 24:17
  to
• 24:18
  what
• 24:18
  the
• 24:18
  heart
• 24:18
  rate
• 24:18
  is
• 24:19
  supposed
• 24:19
  to
• 24:19
  be,
• 24:19
  how
• 24:20
  your
• 24:20
  brain
• 24:21
  and
• 24:21
  your
• 24:21
  heart
• 24:21
  might
• 24:22
  start
• 24:22
  reacting
• 24:22
  to
• 24:22
  that,
• 24:23
  do
• 24:23
  you
• 24:23
  find?
• 24:24
  Are
• 24:25
  there
• 24:25
  any
• 24:25
  things
• 24:25
  you're
• 24:26
  like,
• 24:26
  oh,
• 24:26
  that's
• 24:26
  a
• 24:26
  bad
• 24:26
  chord.
• 24:27
  I
• 24:27
  shouldn't
• 24:27
  play
• 24:27
  that
• 24:28
  again?
• 24:31
  Yes,
• 24:31
  but
• 24:31
  it
• 24:31
  often
• 24:32
  has
• 24:32
  to
• 24:32
  do
• 24:32
  with
• 24:32
  people's
• 24:33
  associations
• 24:34
  or
• 24:34
  their
• 24:34
  experiences.
• 24:35
  There's
• 24:36
  no
• 24:36
  kind
• 24:36
  of
• 24:36
  one
• 24:36
  objective
• 24:38
  bad
• 24:39
  sound.
• 24:39
  It
• 24:40
  all
• 24:40
  depends
• 24:40
  on
• 24:40
  what
• 24:40
  you
• 24:41
  associated
• 24:41
  with.
• 24:42
  Because
• 24:43
  I
• 24:43
  might
• 24:43
  hear
• 24:43
  something
• 24:43
  and
• 24:44
  think
• 24:44
  that
• 24:44
  was
• 24:44
  the
• 24:44
  best
• 24:44
  thing
• 24:44
  I've
• 24:45
  ever
• 24:45
  heard,
• 24:45
  but
• 24:45
  you
• 24:45
  might
• 24:45
  hear
• 24:46
  it
• 24:46
  and
• 24:46
  say,
• 24:46
  oh,
• 24:46
  that
• 24:46
  was
• 24:46
  horrible.
• 24:47
  So
• 24:47
  it's
• 24:47
  very
• 24:47
  subjective.
• 24:48
  I
• 24:49
  mean,
• 24:49
  sometimes
• 24:49
  I
• 24:49
  just
• 24:49
  straight
• 24:50
  up
• 24:50
  make
• 24:50
  mistakes
• 24:51
  and
• 24:51
  that
• 24:51
  sucks
• 24:52
  if
• 24:52
  I'm
• 24:52
  trying
• 24:52
  to
• 24:52
  play
• 24:53
  a
• 24:53
  song
• 24:53
  that
• 24:53
  someone
• 24:53
  knows.
• 24:55
  And
• 24:55
  sometimes
• 24:56
  people
• 24:56
  have
• 24:56
  preferences.
• 24:57
  Often
• 24:57
  they
• 24:58
  do.
• 24:59
  But
• 24:59
  I
• 24:59
  find
• 25:00
  music
• 25:00
  can
• 25:00
  be
• 25:01
  re
• 25:01
  triggering
• 25:01
  or
• 25:01
  re
• 25:01
  traumatizing
• 25:02
  if
• 25:02
  it's
• 25:03
  associated
• 25:03
  with
• 25:04
  a
• 25:04
  negative
• 25:04
  event.
• 25:05
  And
• 25:05
  there
• 25:06
  are
• 25:06
  extreme
• 25:06
  examples
• 25:07
  of
• 25:07
  that.
• 25:07
  Music
• 25:08
  is
• 25:08
  used
• 25:08
  as
• 25:08
  torture
• 25:09
  in
• 25:09
  some
• 25:10
  settings.
• 25:10
  Certainly
• 25:11
  in
• 25:11
  war
• 25:12
  zones.
• 25:12
  Absolutely.
• 25:14
  So
• 25:14
  music
• 25:15
  can
• 25:15
  also
• 25:15
  be
• 25:15
  overstimulating.
• 25:16
  If
• 25:17
  I'm
• 25:17
  too
• 25:17
  loud,
• 25:18
  that
• 25:18
  can
• 25:18
  be
• 25:18
  painful
• 25:19
  for
• 25:19
  somebody.
• 25:20
  So
• 25:20
  there's
• 25:21
  no
• 25:21
  one
• 25:21
  objective
• 25:22
  wrong
• 25:22
  thing
• 25:22
  to
• 25:23
  do.
• 25:23
  There
• 25:23
  are
• 25:23
  lots
• 25:23
  of
• 25:24
  wrong
• 25:24
  things
• 25:24
  I
• 25:24
  could
• 25:24
  do
• 25:25
  depending
• 25:25
  on
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  person.
• 25:26
  And
• 25:27
  you
• 25:27
  just
• 25:27
  kind
• 25:27
  of
• 25:27
  figure
• 25:28
  it
• 25:28
  out
• 25:28
  on
• 25:28
  the
• 25:28
  go.
• 25:28
  Because
• 25:29
  actually,
• 25:29
  were
• 25:30
  you
• 25:30
  the
• 25:30
  first
• 25:31
  program
• 25:31
  of
• 25:32
  this
• 25:32
  nature
• 25:32
  and
• 25:32
  was
• 25:32
  it
• 25:33
  Ontario
• 25:33
  or
• 25:33
  Canada
• 25:34
  or.
• 25:36
  No.
• 25:36
  I
• 25:36
  stand
• 25:36
  on
• 25:37
  the
• 25:37
  shoulders
• 25:37
  of
• 25:37
  many,
• 25:37
  many
• 25:38
  wonderful
• 25:38
  people.
• 25:38
  But
• 25:39
  I
• 25:39
  was
• 25:39
  the
• 25:39
  first
• 25:39
  at
• 25:39
  Princess
• 25:40
  Margaret
• 25:41
  and
• 25:41
  Kensington
• 25:41
  Hospital.
• 25:42
  Yeah,
• 25:43
  gotcha.
• 25:44
  How
• 25:44
  widespread
• 25:45
  is
• 25:45
  it
• 25:45
  through
• 25:45
  Ontario
• 25:46
  now
• 25:46
  and
• 25:46
  Canada?
• 25:47
  I
• 25:47
  guess
• 25:48
  it's
• 25:48
  huge.
• 25:49
  I'm
• 25:49
  so
• 25:49
  excited
• 25:49
  to
• 25:50
  say
• 25:50
  lots
• 25:51
  of
• 25:51
  major
• 25:51
  hospitals
• 25:52
  in
• 25:53
  the
• 25:53
  GTA
• 25:54
  have
• 25:54
  beautiful
• 25:55
  music
• 25:55
  therapy
• 25:56
  programs,
• 25:57
  and
• 25:57
  those
• 25:57
  include
• 25:58
  big
• 25:58
  teaching
• 25:58
  hospitals
• 25:59
  like
• 25:59
  Sunnybrook.
• 26:00
  St.
• 26:00
  Mike's
• 26:00
  SickKids
• 26:01
  has
• 26:01
  a
• 26:01
  huge
• 26:02
  program,
• 26:02
  and
• 26:02
  it
• 26:03
  has
• 26:03
  had
• 26:03
  a
• 26:03
  program
• 26:03
  for
• 26:04
  almost
• 26:04
  two
• 26:05
  decades,
• 26:05
  I
• 26:05
  think.
• 26:06
  So
• 26:07
  I'm
• 26:07
  certainly
• 26:07
  not
• 26:07
  the
• 26:07
  first,
• 26:09
  but
• 26:09
  Princess
• 26:09
  Margaret
• 26:10
  didn't
• 26:10
  have
• 26:10
  anybody,
• 26:10
  so
• 26:10
  I
• 26:11
  was
• 26:11
  excited
• 26:11
  to
• 26:11
  build
• 26:12
  something
• 26:12
  there.
• 26:12
  Absolutely.
• 26:13
  Now,
• 26:14
  as
• 26:14
  someone
• 26:14
  say
• 26:15
  I
• 26:15
  was
• 26:15
  to
• 26:15
  get
• 26:15
  sick
• 26:16
  or
• 26:16
  I
• 26:16
  had
• 26:16
  a
• 26:16
  family
• 26:16
  member
• 26:17
  sick,
• 26:18
  how
• 26:18
  would
• 26:18
  someone
• 26:19
  as
• 26:19
  a
• 26:19
  patient
• 26:20
  or
• 26:20
  a
• 26:20
  family
• 26:20
  member
• 26:20
  of
• 26:21
  a
• 26:21
  patient
• 26:21
  get
• 26:22
  musical
• 26:22
  therapy?
• 26:23
  Like,
• 26:23
  I
• 26:24
  wouldn't
• 26:24
  even
• 26:24
  know
• 26:24
  how
• 26:24
  to
• 26:25
  go
• 26:25
  about
• 26:25
  it.
• 26:25
  In
• 26:25
  some
• 26:26
  of
• 26:26
  the
• 26:26
  hospitals
• 26:26
  in
• 26:26
  my
• 26:27
  area.
• 26:27
  And
• 26:27
  probably
• 26:28
  they
• 26:28
  just
• 26:28
  look
• 26:29
  at
• 26:29
  me
• 26:29
  like,
• 26:29
  we
• 26:30
  got
• 26:30
  a
• 26:30
  speaker
• 26:31
  that
• 26:31
  you
• 26:31
  can
• 26:31
  use.
• 26:32
  How
• 26:32
  do
• 26:33
  patients
• 26:33
  in
• 26:33
  the
• 26:33
  GTA
• 26:34
  ask
• 26:35
  or
• 26:35
  even
• 26:35
  like,
• 26:35
  who
• 26:35
  would
• 26:36
  be
• 26:36
  the
• 26:36
  best
• 26:36
  person
• 26:36
  to
• 26:37
  ask
• 26:37
  for
• 26:38
  that
• 26:38
  type
• 26:38
  of
• 26:38
  service
• 26:38
  or
• 26:39
  therapy
• 26:39
  or
• 26:40
  option?
• 26:42
  If
• 26:43
  the
• 26:43
  hospital
• 26:43
  offers
• 26:44
  music
• 26:44
  therapy,
• 26:45
  chances
• 26:46
  are
• 26:47
  it
• 26:47
  will
• 26:47
  be
• 26:47
  advertised
• 26:48
  somewhere.
• 26:48
  Or
• 26:49
  you
• 26:49
  ask
• 26:49
  your,
• 26:49
  you
• 26:49
  know,
• 26:50
  you
• 26:50
  ask
• 26:50
  your
• 26:50
  nurse.
• 26:51
  But
• 26:51
  you're
• 26:51
  right,
• 26:52
  most
• 26:52
  patients
• 26:53
  don't
• 26:53
  know.
• 26:54
  Even
• 26:54
  though
• 26:54
  I
• 26:55
  try
• 26:55
  and
• 26:55
  promote
• 26:55
  it
• 26:55
  as
• 26:56
  much
• 26:56
  as
• 26:56
  I
• 26:56
  can
• 26:56
  at
• 26:56
  the
• 26:56
  hospital,
• 26:57
  staff
• 26:57
  are
• 26:58
  my
• 26:58
  advocates
• 26:58
  and
• 26:58
  allies
• 26:59
  in
• 26:59
  that.
• 27:00
  But
• 27:00
  for
• 27:00
  a
• 27:01
  place
• 27:01
  that
• 27:01
  doesn't
• 27:01
  have
• 27:02
  a
• 27:02
  program,
• 27:03
  a
• 27:03
  lot
• 27:04
  of
• 27:04
  music
• 27:04
  therapists
• 27:05
  work
• 27:05
  in
• 27:05
  private
• 27:05
  practice.
• 27:06
  So
• 27:06
  you
• 27:06
  can
• 27:06
  actually
• 27:07
  hire
• 27:07
  one
• 27:08
  as
• 27:08
  you
• 27:08
  would
• 27:08
  a
• 27:09
  therapist
• 27:10
  through
• 27:10
  two
• 27:11
  different
• 27:11
  platforms.
• 27:12
  And
• 27:12
  I'm
• 27:12
  happy
• 27:13
  to
• 27:13
  say
• 27:13
  a
• 27:13
  lot
• 27:13
  of
• 27:13
  music
• 27:14
  therapy
• 27:14
  is
• 27:15
  covered
• 27:15
  through
• 27:15
  insurance.
• 27:16
  If
• 27:16
  your
• 27:16
  therapist
• 27:17
  is
• 27:17
  also
• 27:17
  a
• 27:18
  psychotherapist,
• 27:18
  which
• 27:19
  I
• 27:19
  am.
• 27:20
  A
• 27:20
  lot
• 27:20
  of
• 27:20
  my
• 27:20
  colleagues
• 27:20
  are.
• 27:21
  So
• 27:21
  you
• 27:21
  can
• 27:22
  actually
• 27:22
  hire
• 27:22
  someone
• 27:23
  to
• 27:23
  work
• 27:24
  with
• 27:24
  you.
• 27:24
  And
• 27:24
  a
• 27:25
  lot
• 27:25
  of
• 27:25
  folks
• 27:25
  do
• 27:25
  that
• 27:26
  for
• 27:26
  family
• 27:26
  members
• 27:26
  or
• 27:27
  for
• 27:27
  themselves.
• 27:28
  So
• 27:28
  I'll
• 27:28
  share.
• 27:29
  The
• 27:29
  Music
• 27:29
  Therapy
• 27:30
  association
• 27:30
  of
• 27:31
  Ontario.
• 27:32
  If
• 27:32
  you
• 27:32
  give
• 27:32
  them
• 27:32
  a
• 27:32
  Google,
• 27:33
  you
• 27:33
  can
• 27:33
  find
• 27:33
  a
• 27:33
  therapist
• 27:34
  very
• 27:34
  easily.
• 27:34
  And
• 27:35
  the
• 27:35
  Canadian
• 27:35
  association
• 27:36
  of
• 27:36
  Music
• 27:37
  Therapy,
• 27:38
  same
• 27:38
  thing.
• 27:38
  That's
• 27:39
  awesome.
• 27:39
  That
• 27:40
  makes
• 27:41
  me
• 27:41
  wonder.
• 27:41
  You
• 27:41
  said
• 27:41
  you're
• 27:42
  a.
• 27:42
  You're
• 27:42
  a
• 27:42
  licensed
• 27:43
  therapist.
• 27:43
  So
• 27:45
  sort
• 27:45
  of
• 27:45
  like
• 27:46
  with
• 27:46
  acupuncture
• 27:47
  and
• 27:48
  I
• 27:49
  don't
• 27:49
  want
• 27:49
  to
• 27:49
  make
• 27:49
  this
• 27:49
  controversial
• 27:50
  in
• 27:50
  other
• 27:50
  fields.
• 27:52
  Crack,
• 27:52
  crack,
• 27:53
  crack.
• 27:53
  Maybe
• 27:54
  that'll
• 27:54
  tell
• 27:54
  you.
• 27:56
  Do
• 27:57
  you
• 27:57
  find
• 27:57
  that
• 27:57
  there
• 27:58
  are
• 27:59
  just
• 27:59
  charlatans
• 28:01
  who,
• 28:01
  you
• 28:02
  know,
• 28:02
  buy
• 28:02
  a
• 28:02
  sound
• 28:03
  like
• 28:03
  a
• 28:03
  couple
• 28:03
  of
• 28:03
  sound
• 28:04
  baths
• 28:04
  and
• 28:04
  like
• 28:04
  I'm
• 28:04
  a
• 28:04
  therapist
• 28:05
  now
• 28:05
  and
• 28:05
  they
• 28:06
  don't
• 28:06
  really
• 28:06
  help
• 28:06
  people
• 28:07
  or
• 28:09
  how
• 28:09
  do
• 28:09
  the
• 28:10
  how's.
• 28:11
  How
• 28:11
  are
• 28:11
  the
• 28:11
  qualifications
• 28:13
  coming
• 28:13
  into
• 28:13
  play
• 28:13
  here?
• 28:14
  Yeah,
• 28:14
  it's
• 28:15
  a
• 28:15
  good
• 28:15
  question.
• 28:16
  I'm
• 28:16
  glad
• 28:16
  you
• 28:16
  brought
• 28:17
  this
• 28:17
  up.
• 28:17
  And
• 28:17
  we're
• 28:18
  fighting
• 28:18
  so
• 28:18
  hard
• 28:18
  in
• 28:19
  our
• 28:19
  profession
• 28:19
  to
• 28:19
  talk
• 28:20
  about
• 28:20
  what
• 28:20
  it
• 28:20
  means
• 28:20
  to
• 28:20
  be
• 28:21
  credentialed.
• 28:21
  So
• 28:22
  the
• 28:22
  two
• 28:23
  credentials
• 28:23
  you
• 28:23
  want
• 28:23
  to
• 28:23
  look
• 28:24
  for.
• 28:24
  If
• 28:24
  you're
• 28:24
  looking
• 28:24
  for
• 28:24
  a
• 28:25
  music
• 28:25
  therapist,
• 28:25
  MTA
• 28:26
  in
• 28:27
  Canada,
• 28:28
  music
• 28:28
  therapist
• 28:28
  accredited
• 28:29
  or
• 28:30
  mtbc
• 28:31
  Music
• 28:31
  therapist
• 28:32
  board
• 28:32
  Certified.
• 28:33
  A
• 28:33
  hospital
• 28:33
  won't
• 28:34
  really
• 28:34
  hire
• 28:35
  someone
• 28:35
  unless
• 28:35
  they
• 28:36
  are
• 28:36
  legit.
• 28:37
  So
• 28:37
  you
• 28:37
  know
• 28:37
  that
• 28:37
  if
• 28:37
  you're
• 28:37
  in
• 28:38
  a
• 28:38
  healthcare
• 28:38
  space,
• 28:39
  chances
• 28:39
  are
• 28:40
  you're
• 28:40
  working
• 28:40
  with
• 28:40
  a
• 28:40
  licensed
• 28:41
  therapist.
• 28:41
  Or
• 28:42
  if
• 28:42
  it's
• 28:42
  covered
• 28:42
  by
• 28:43
  insurance,
• 28:43
  it
• 28:43
  must
• 28:43
  be
• 28:44
  as
• 28:44
  well.
• 28:44
  Right.
• 28:44
  I
• 28:45
  would
• 28:45
  assume
• 28:45
  insurance
• 28:45
  company's
• 28:46
  not
• 28:46
  gonna.
• 28:47
  Exactly.
• 28:47
  So
• 28:48
  the
• 28:48
  way
• 28:48
  that
• 28:48
  music
• 28:48
  therapists
• 28:49
  are
• 28:49
  covered
• 28:49
  through
• 28:49
  insurance
• 28:51
  is
• 28:51
  through
• 28:51
  their
• 28:52
  registered
• 28:52
  psychotherapist
• 28:53
  designation.
• 28:54
  So
• 28:54
  rp.
• 28:55
  And
• 28:55
  that's
• 28:55
  legit.
• 28:56
  That's
• 28:56
  through
• 28:56
  the
• 28:56
  College
• 28:57
  of
• 28:57
  Registered
• 28:57
  Psychotherapists
• 28:58
  of
• 28:58
  Ontario,
• 28:58
  which
• 28:59
  requires
• 29:00
  many,
• 29:00
  many
• 29:00
  hoops
• 29:01
  and
• 29:01
  training
• 29:01
  to
• 29:02
  get
• 29:02
  through.
• 29:03
  So
• 29:04
  yes,
• 29:04
  there
• 29:04
  are
• 29:04
  posers
• 29:05
  all
• 29:05
  over
• 29:05
  the
• 29:06
  place,
• 29:06
  people
• 29:06
  who
• 29:06
  charge
• 29:07
  a
• 29:07
  lot
• 29:07
  of
• 29:07
  money
• 29:07
  for
• 29:07
  not
• 29:08
  a
• 29:08
  lot
• 29:08
  of
• 29:08
  training.
• 29:09
  And
• 29:10
  that's
• 29:11
  tricky
• 29:11
  for
• 29:11
  our
• 29:11
  profession.
• 29:12
  But
• 29:12
  mta,
• 29:13
  mtbc,
• 29:14
  rp,
• 29:15
  those
• 29:15
  are
• 29:15
  those
• 29:15
  credentials
• 29:16
  you're
• 29:16
  looking
• 29:16
  for.
• 29:16
  So
• 29:17
  follow
• 29:17
  up.
• 29:17
  What's
• 29:18
  the
• 29:18
  accreditation
• 29:20
  like?
• 29:21
  Do
• 29:21
  they
• 29:21
  blindfold
• 29:22
  you
• 29:22
  and
• 29:22
  give
• 29:22
  you
• 29:22
  a
• 29:23
  piano
• 29:23
  or
• 29:24
  what
• 29:24
  do
• 29:24
  they
• 29:25
  do?
• 29:25
  I
• 29:25
  should
• 29:25
  do
• 29:25
  that
• 29:25
  with
• 29:26
  my
• 29:26
  students.
• 29:28
  So
• 29:29
  you
• 29:29
  have
• 29:29
  to
• 29:29
  have
• 29:29
  a
• 29:29
  degree,
• 29:30
  either
• 29:30
  an
• 29:31
  undergraduate,
• 29:31
  most
• 29:32
  people,
• 29:32
  many
• 29:32
  people
• 29:33
  rather,
• 29:33
  have
• 29:33
  graduate
• 29:34
  degrees
• 29:34
  in
• 29:34
  music
• 29:35
  therapy
• 29:35
  from
• 29:37
  a
• 29:37
  specific
• 29:37
  training
• 29:39
  space.
• 29:39
  So
• 29:39
  Wilfrid
• 29:40
  Laurier
• 29:40
  University,
• 29:40
  Concordia
• 29:41
  U.
• 29:42
  Of
• 29:42
  T.
• 29:42
  Kapilan.
• 29:43
  A
• 29:43
  lot
• 29:43
  of
• 29:43
  schools
• 29:44
  in
• 29:44
  Canada
• 29:45
  offer
• 29:46
  designated
• 29:47
  training.
• 29:47
  Tons
• 29:47
  in
• 29:48
  the
• 29:48
  States
• 29:48
  and
• 29:48
  around
• 29:48
  the
• 29:49
  world.
• 29:49
  So
• 29:49
  first
• 29:49
  off
• 29:50
  you
• 29:50
  have
• 29:50
  your
• 29:50
  degree,
• 29:51
  then
• 29:51
  you
• 29:51
  go
• 29:52
  through
• 29:52
  your
• 29:52
  certification,
• 29:53
  which
• 29:53
  includes
• 29:53
  a
• 29:54
  thousand
• 29:54
  hour
• 29:54
  internship.
• 29:56
  So
• 29:56
  I'm
• 29:57
  proud
• 29:57
  to
• 29:57
  be
• 29:57
  a
• 29:57
  music
• 29:58
  therapy
• 29:58
  supervisor.
• 29:59
  I
• 29:59
  take
• 29:59
  students
• 30:00
  through
• 30:00
  500
• 30:00
  hours.
• 30:01
  They're
• 30:01
  with
• 30:01
  me
• 30:01
  for
• 30:02
  four
• 30:02
  months
• 30:03
  if
• 30:03
  they
• 30:03
  want
• 30:03
  to
• 30:04
  train
• 30:04
  in
• 30:04
  cancer
• 30:04
  care
• 30:05
  and
• 30:05
  palliative
• 30:05
  care.
• 30:06
  But
• 30:06
  people
• 30:06
  can
• 30:07
  intern
• 30:07
  a
• 30:08
  lot
• 30:08
  of
• 30:08
  different
• 30:08
  places.
• 30:08
  So
• 30:09
  they're
• 30:09
  with
• 30:09
  a
• 30:09
  trained
• 30:09
  supervisor.
• 30:11
  They
• 30:11
  get
• 30:11
  their
• 30:11
  thousand
• 30:12
  hours.
• 30:12
  They
• 30:13
  have
• 30:13
  to
• 30:13
  write
• 30:13
  an
• 30:13
  exam.
• 30:14
  There's
• 30:14
  multiple
• 30:15
  steps,
• 30:15
  but
• 30:15
  that's
• 30:16
  generally
• 30:16
  what
• 30:16
  it
• 30:17
  looks
• 30:17
  like.
• 30:17
  So
• 30:17
  it
• 30:17
  takes
• 30:17
  several
• 30:18
  years.
• 30:18
  Okay.
• 30:20
  So
• 30:20
  also,
• 30:22
  do
• 30:22
  you
• 30:22
  still
• 30:22
  wear
• 30:22
  some
• 30:23
  of
• 30:23
  the
• 30:23
  other
• 30:23
  hats
• 30:23
  because
• 30:23
  you
• 30:24
  were,
• 30:24
  I
• 30:24
  guess,
• 30:24
  musician
• 30:25
  then
• 30:25
  teacher,
• 30:26
  now
• 30:27
  therapist.
• 30:27
  Do
• 30:27
  you
• 30:27
  still
• 30:28
  have
• 30:28
  opportunities
• 30:28
  to
• 30:29
  teach
• 30:30
  and
• 30:30
  actually
• 30:31
  scratch
• 30:32
  that
• 30:32
  question.
• 30:32
  You
• 30:32
  can
• 30:32
  answer
• 30:33
  that
• 30:33
  after.
• 30:33
  But
• 30:35
  how
• 30:35
  did
• 30:35
  you
• 30:36
  get
• 30:36
  there?
• 30:36
  Like,
• 30:36
  how
• 30:37
  did
• 30:37
  you
• 30:37
  go
• 30:37
  from
• 30:37
  musician
• 30:38
  to
• 30:38
  teacher
• 30:39
  to
• 30:39
  therapist?
• 30:41
  Ooh,
• 30:41
  I
• 30:42
  love
• 30:42
  that
• 30:42
  question.
• 30:44
  So
• 30:44
  like
• 30:46
  many
• 30:46
  young
• 30:46
  kids,
• 30:47
  I
• 30:47
  was
• 30:47
  signed
• 30:48
  up
• 30:48
  to
• 30:48
  piano
• 30:48
  lessons
• 30:49
  from
• 30:49
  a
• 30:49
  young
• 30:50
  age.
• 30:50
  I
• 30:50
  was
• 30:50
  a
• 30:50
  Suzuki
• 30:51
  piano
• 30:51
  kid
• 30:52
  and
• 30:52
  very
• 30:52
  proud
• 30:52
  to
• 30:53
  be.
• 30:53
  And
• 30:53
  you
• 30:53
  didn't
• 30:53
  quit
• 30:54
  like
• 30:54
  most,
• 30:55
  which
• 30:55
  is
• 30:56
  the
• 30:56
  big
• 30:56
  thing.
• 30:56
  I
• 30:57
  didn't
• 30:57
  somehow.
• 30:58
  I
• 30:58
  don't
• 30:58
  know
• 30:58
  if
• 30:59
  that
• 30:59
  was.
• 30:59
  Cause
• 30:59
  I
• 31:00
  genuinely
• 31:00
  loved
• 31:01
  it.
• 31:01
  There
• 31:01
  was
• 31:01
  part
• 31:01
  of
• 31:01
  that
• 31:02
  or
• 31:02
  I
• 31:02
  just
• 31:02
  knew
• 31:03
  I
• 31:03
  had
• 31:03
  to
• 31:03
  keep
• 31:04
  going
• 31:04
  to
• 31:04
  a
• 31:04
  certain
• 31:04
  point.
• 31:05
  But
• 31:06
  my
• 31:06
  parents
• 31:07
  made
• 31:07
  it
• 31:07
  really
• 31:07
  fun,
• 31:08
  my
• 31:08
  teachers
• 31:08
  made
• 31:08
  it
• 31:09
  really
• 31:09
  engaging.
• 31:09
  I
• 31:10
  was
• 31:10
  excited
• 31:11
  to
• 31:11
  perform
• 31:12
  and
• 31:13
  so
• 31:14
  I
• 31:14
  was
• 31:14
  also
• 31:15
  excited
• 31:15
  to
• 31:15
  teach.
• 31:16
  So
• 31:16
  I
• 31:16
  loved
• 31:16
  having
• 31:17
  young
• 31:17
  students.
• 31:18
  So
• 31:18
  I
• 31:18
  started
• 31:19
  to
• 31:19
  dabble
• 31:19
  in
• 31:19
  piano
• 31:20
  teaching,
• 31:21
  got
• 31:21
  some
• 31:21
  certification
• 31:22
  around
• 31:22
  that
• 31:23
  and
• 31:23
  just
• 31:23
  kept
• 31:23
  going.
• 31:24
  And
• 31:24
  it
• 31:24
  became
• 31:24
  a
• 31:24
  real
• 31:25
  passion
• 31:25
  of
• 31:25
  mine
• 31:25
  to
• 31:26
  teach.
• 31:27
  But
• 31:27
  as
• 31:27
  I
• 31:27
  got
• 31:28
  further
• 31:28
  and
• 31:28
  further
• 31:29
  into
• 31:29
  teaching,
• 31:30
  I
• 31:31
  realized
• 31:31
  I
• 31:31
  was
• 31:31
  actually
• 31:32
  more
• 31:32
  interested
• 31:33
  in
• 31:33
  and
• 31:33
  captivated
• 31:34
  by
• 31:34
  my
• 31:34
  students
• 31:34
  mental
• 31:35
  health
• 31:35
  than
• 31:36
  I
• 31:36
  was
• 31:36
  in
• 31:36
  their
• 31:36
  ability
• 31:37
  to
• 31:37
  play
• 31:37
  the
• 31:37
  piano.
• 31:38
  Because
• 31:38
  they
• 31:38
  would
• 31:38
  often
• 31:38
  come
• 31:38
  to
• 31:39
  piano
• 31:39
  lessons
• 31:39
  and
• 31:40
  bring
• 31:40
  with
• 31:40
  them
• 31:40
  a
• 31:41
  lot
• 31:41
  of
• 31:41
  emotion.
• 31:41
  Yeah,
• 31:42
  Especially
• 31:43
  teens,
• 31:43
  but
• 31:43
  even
• 31:43
  young
• 31:44
  kids,
• 31:44
  adults,
• 31:45
  I
• 31:45
  mean,
• 31:45
  people
• 31:46
  would
• 31:46
  sometimes
• 31:46
  sit
• 31:46
  there
• 31:47
  and
• 31:47
  Just
• 31:47
  cry
• 31:48
  for
• 31:49
  so
• 31:49
  many
• 31:49
  reasons.
• 31:49
  And
• 31:50
  I've
• 31:50
  done
• 31:50
  that
• 31:50
  in
• 31:50
  music
• 31:51
  lessons.
• 31:51
  Right,
• 31:51
  right.
• 31:52
  And
• 31:52
  I
• 31:52
  thought,
• 31:53
  why
• 31:53
  is
• 31:54
  it
• 31:54
  in
• 31:54
  this
• 31:54
  space
• 31:55
  that
• 31:55
  we're
• 31:55
  doing
• 31:56
  this?
• 31:57
  I
• 31:57
  started
• 31:58
  to
• 31:58
  volunteer
• 31:58
  at
• 31:58
  the
• 31:58
  center
• 31:59
  for
• 31:59
  Addiction
• 31:59
  and
• 31:59
  Mental
• 32:00
  Health
• 32:00
  in
• 32:00
  the
• 32:00
  City.
• 32:00
  I
• 32:01
  would
• 32:01
  play
• 32:02
  the
• 32:02
  piano
• 32:03
  for
• 32:03
  an
• 32:03
  hour
• 32:03
  a
• 32:03
  week
• 32:04
  on
• 32:04
  an
• 32:04
  inpatient
• 32:05
  floor,
• 32:06
  not
• 32:06
  knowing
• 32:06
  what
• 32:06
  the
• 32:06
  heck
• 32:07
  I
• 32:07
  was
• 32:07
  doing.
• 32:07
  I
• 32:07
  just
• 32:08
  played
• 32:08
  stuff
• 32:08
  I
• 32:09
  knew,
• 32:09
  thinking,
• 32:10
  oh,
• 32:10
  I'll
• 32:10
  just
• 32:10
  do
• 32:10
  something
• 32:11
  pleasant.
• 32:12
  But,
• 32:12
  oh,
• 32:12
  my
• 32:12
  God,
• 32:13
  the
• 32:13
  patients
• 32:13
  were
• 32:13
  reacting,
• 32:15
  coming
• 32:15
  up
• 32:15
  to
• 32:15
  me,
• 32:16
  singing,
• 32:16
  crying,
• 32:16
  telling
• 32:17
  me
• 32:17
  their
• 32:17
  stories,
• 32:18
  engaging.
• 32:19
  And
• 32:19
  I
• 32:19
  thought,
• 32:20
  something
• 32:20
  is
• 32:20
  going
• 32:20
  on
• 32:21
  here.
• 32:21
  I
• 32:21
  need
• 32:21
  to
• 32:21
  know
• 32:22
  how
• 32:22
  to
• 32:22
  harness
• 32:22
  this.
• 32:23
  I
• 32:23
  need
• 32:23
  to
• 32:23
  learn,
• 32:23
  I
• 32:24
  need
• 32:24
  to
• 32:24
  train.
• 32:24
  So
• 32:24
  that's
• 32:25
  why
• 32:25
  I
• 32:25
  went
• 32:25
  into
• 32:25
  music
• 32:25
  therapy.
• 32:26
  Wow,
• 32:27
  great.
• 32:28
  And
• 32:28
  how
• 32:28
  long
• 32:28
  from
• 32:29
  that
• 32:29
  moment
• 32:30
  to
• 32:31
  St.
• 32:31
  Margaret's
• 32:33
  gosh,
• 32:33
  that.
• 32:34
  Several
• 32:34
  years.
• 32:35
  That
• 32:35
  would
• 32:35
  have
• 32:35
  been
• 32:36
  2009.
• 32:37
  Ish.
• 32:37
  And
• 32:38
  then
• 32:38
  I
• 32:38
  started
• 32:38
  at
• 32:39
  training
• 32:39
  in
• 32:40
  2011,
• 32:41
  then
• 32:42
  started
• 32:42
  at
• 32:42
  Princess
• 32:43
  Margaret,
• 32:44
  interning
• 32:44
  the
• 32:45
  following
• 32:45
  year
• 32:46
  as
• 32:46
  I
• 32:46
  was
• 32:47
  working
• 32:47
  through
• 32:47
  my
• 32:47
  training.
• 32:47
  I
• 32:48
  think
• 32:48
  that's
• 32:48
  the
• 32:48
  timeline.
• 32:50
  If
• 32:51
  you
• 32:51
  weren't
• 32:52
  doing
• 32:52
  this,
• 32:53
  would
• 32:53
  you
• 32:54
  still
• 32:54
  be
• 32:54
  teaching
• 32:55
  music,
• 32:55
  you
• 32:55
  think?
• 32:56
  I
• 32:56
  think
• 32:56
  it's
• 32:56
  very
• 32:57
  likely.
• 32:57
  I
• 32:57
  love
• 32:57
  teaching.
• 32:58
  I
• 32:58
  love
• 32:58
  that
• 32:58
  I
• 32:59
  can
• 32:59
  still
• 32:59
  teach
• 32:59
  music
• 33:00
  therapy
• 33:00
  now.
• 33:00
  I
• 33:00
  don't
• 33:00
  teach
• 33:01
  private
• 33:01
  piano
• 33:01
  anymore.
• 33:03
  Maybe
• 33:03
  I'd
• 33:03
  be
• 33:04
  performing
• 33:04
  a
• 33:04
  little
• 33:04
  more,
• 33:05
  but
• 33:06
  I
• 33:06
  feel
• 33:06
  like
• 33:06
  I
• 33:06
  get
• 33:07
  the
• 33:07
  chance
• 33:07
  to
• 33:07
  perform
• 33:07
  every
• 33:08
  day
• 33:08
  at
• 33:08
  work.
• 33:08
  It's
• 33:08
  just
• 33:08
  a
• 33:09
  totally
• 33:09
  different
• 33:09
  style
• 33:10
  and
• 33:10
  context
• 33:11
  with
• 33:11
  different
• 33:11
  intention.
• 33:12
  Yeah,
• 33:13
  I'd
• 33:13
  probably
• 33:13
  be
• 33:14
  writing
• 33:14
  and
• 33:14
  teaching
• 33:15
  and
• 33:15
  playing
• 33:15
  differently.
• 33:17
  Do
• 33:17
  you
• 33:17
  play
• 33:17
  a
• 33:17
  lot
• 33:18
  at
• 33:18
  home?
• 33:19
  Off
• 33:19
  and
• 33:20
  on,
• 33:20
  yeah.
• 33:20
  With
• 33:20
  friends
• 33:21
  and,
• 33:21
  you
• 33:21
  know,
• 33:22
  with
• 33:22
  my
• 33:22
  family,
• 33:24
  yes.
• 33:25
  Not
• 33:25
  probably
• 33:26
  as
• 33:26
  much
• 33:27
  as
• 33:28
  I
• 33:28
  used
• 33:28
  to,
• 33:28
  but
• 33:28
  I
• 33:28
  still.
• 33:29
  That's
• 33:29
  still
• 33:29
  a
• 33:29
  big
• 33:29
  part
• 33:30
  of
• 33:30
  my
• 33:30
  life,
• 33:30
  for
• 33:30
  sure.
• 33:30
  Okay.
• 33:34
  Do
• 33:34
  you
• 33:35
  recommend
• 33:36
  music
• 33:36
  therapy
• 33:38
  outside
• 33:39
  of
• 33:39
  the
• 33:39
  hospital?
• 33:40
  And
• 33:40
  how
• 33:40
  would
• 33:40
  that
• 33:41
  look
• 33:41
  for
• 33:41
  an
• 33:41
  average
• 33:42
  person
• 33:42
  just
• 33:43
  going
• 33:43
  about
• 33:43
  their
• 33:43
  day?
• 33:45
  Yeah.
• 33:45
  I'm
• 33:45
  a
• 33:45
  firm
• 33:46
  believer
• 33:46
  in
• 33:46
  therapy
• 33:47
  for
• 33:47
  everybody.
• 33:48
  I
• 33:48
  think
• 33:48
  anyone
• 33:49
  could
• 33:49
  benefit
• 33:50
  because,
• 33:51
  you
• 33:51
  know,
• 33:51
  life
• 33:52
  throws
• 33:52
  us
• 33:52
  all
• 33:52
  kinds
• 33:52
  of
• 33:52
  curve
• 33:53
  balls,
• 33:53
  and
• 33:53
  being
• 33:53
  human
• 33:54
  is
• 33:54
  really
• 33:54
  complicated
• 33:55
  and
• 33:55
  beautiful
• 33:56
  but
• 33:56
  hard.
• 33:57
  So
• 33:57
  I'm
• 33:58
  a
• 33:58
  big
• 33:58
  advocate
• 33:58
  for
• 33:58
  therapy,
• 33:59
  period.
• 34:00
  In
• 34:00
  terms
• 34:00
  of
• 34:02
  your
• 34:02
  kind
• 34:02
  of
• 34:02
  average,
• 34:03
  everyday
• 34:03
  person
• 34:04
  engaging
• 34:04
  in
• 34:04
  music
• 34:05
  therapy.
• 34:05
  It's
• 34:06
  amazing
• 34:06
  what
• 34:06
  happens
• 34:07
  non
• 34:07
  verbally
• 34:08
  when
• 34:09
  suddenly
• 34:09
  you
• 34:09
  take
• 34:09
  away
• 34:09
  words
• 34:10
  and
• 34:10
  you
• 34:10
  use
• 34:10
  music.
• 34:11
  So
• 34:12
  I
• 34:12
  have
• 34:12
  recommended
• 34:13
  it
• 34:13
  to
• 34:13
  people
• 34:14
  I
• 34:14
  know.
• 34:14
  People
• 34:14
  have
• 34:15
  come
• 34:15
  to
• 34:15
  me
• 34:15
  and
• 34:15
  said,
• 34:16
  how
• 34:16
  do
• 34:16
  I
• 34:16
  find
• 34:16
  a
• 34:16
  therapist
• 34:18
  for
• 34:18
  my
• 34:18
  family,
• 34:18
  for
• 34:19
  me,
• 34:19
  for
• 34:19
  my
• 34:19
  kids?
• 34:21
  A
• 34:21
  lot
• 34:22
  of
• 34:22
  people
• 34:22
  want
• 34:23
  it
• 34:23
  for
• 34:23
  a
• 34:23
  specific
• 34:24
  reason,
• 34:24
  but
• 34:24
  I
• 34:24
  think
• 34:24
  as
• 34:25
  the
• 34:25
  profession
• 34:25
  grows,
• 34:26
  we're
• 34:27
  gonna
• 34:27
  see
• 34:27
  more
• 34:27
  and
• 34:27
  more
• 34:27
  people
• 34:28
  integrate
• 34:28
  the
• 34:28
  arts
• 34:29
  into
• 34:29
  their
• 34:29
  wellness
• 34:30
  plans,
• 34:30
  personally
• 34:31
  and
• 34:31
  professionally.
• 34:32
  Got
• 34:32
  you.
• 34:33
  What
• 34:34
  kind
• 34:34
  of
• 34:34
  qualities
• 34:35
  would
• 34:35
  you
• 34:35
  tell
• 34:36
  Someone
• 34:36
  to
• 34:36
  look
• 34:36
  for
• 34:37
  in
• 34:37
  a
• 34:37
  musical
• 34:37
  therapist.
• 34:39
  Ooh,
• 34:41
  it's
• 34:42
  such
• 34:42
  a
• 34:42
  good
• 34:42
  question.
• 34:42
  Because
• 34:44
  finding
• 34:45
  the
• 34:45
  right
• 34:45
  fit
• 34:45
  for
• 34:45
  a
• 34:46
  therapist,
• 34:47
  it's
• 34:47
  so
• 34:47
  individual.
• 34:48
  Yeah.
• 34:49
  And
• 34:49
  I
• 34:49
  think
• 34:49
  some
• 34:50
  of
• 34:50
  the
• 34:50
  best
• 34:50
  qualities
• 34:50
  you
• 34:51
  can
• 34:51
  look
• 34:51
  for
• 34:51
  in
• 34:51
  any
• 34:51
  therapist,
• 34:52
  but
• 34:52
  absolutely,
• 34:53
  a
• 34:53
  music
• 34:53
  therapist
• 34:54
  is
• 34:54
  openness,
• 34:55
  adaptability,
• 34:56
  the
• 34:56
  ability
• 34:57
  to
• 34:57
  listen
• 34:57
  to
• 34:57
  what
• 34:58
  your
• 34:58
  needs
• 34:58
  are
• 34:59
  and
• 34:59
  not
• 35:00
  come
• 35:00
  pre
• 35:00
  scripted
• 35:01
  with
• 35:01
  a
• 35:01
  plan
• 35:02
  unless
• 35:02
  that's
• 35:02
  what
• 35:03
  you
• 35:03
  want.
• 35:03
  But
• 35:04
  I
• 35:04
  like
• 35:04
  the
• 35:04
  idea
• 35:05
  of
• 35:05
  someone
• 35:05
  who's
• 35:05
  really
• 35:06
  open
• 35:06
  to
• 35:06
  what
• 35:07
  you
• 35:07
  need.
• 35:08
  Someone
• 35:08
  who's
• 35:09
  a
• 35:09
  highly
• 35:09
  trained
• 35:10
  musician.
• 35:10
  That's
• 35:10
  important.
• 35:11
  And
• 35:13
  I
• 35:13
  keep
• 35:14
  thinking
• 35:14
  just
• 35:14
  somebody
• 35:15
  who
• 35:15
  listens
• 35:15
  and
• 35:15
  really
• 35:16
  listens
• 35:16
  well,
• 35:18
  that's
• 35:18
  a
• 35:18
  good
• 35:18
  one.
• 35:19
  It's
• 35:20
  very
• 35:20
  necessary
• 35:21
  to
• 35:21
  listen.
• 35:21
  A
• 35:21
  lot
• 35:21
  of
• 35:21
  people
• 35:21
  don't
• 35:22
  listen
• 35:22
  well.
• 35:24
  What
• 35:24
  else
• 35:24
  would
• 35:24
  you
• 35:24
  say?
• 35:25
  People
• 35:25
  should
• 35:25
  just
• 35:26
  know
• 35:26
  about
• 35:26
  the
• 35:27
  work
• 35:27
  that
• 35:27
  you
• 35:27
  do.
• 35:27
  Overall.
• 35:30
  It
• 35:30
  almost
• 35:30
  makes
• 35:31
  me
• 35:31
  emotional
• 35:31
  to
• 35:31
  think
• 35:31
  about
• 35:32
  because
• 35:32
  I'm
• 35:32
  so
• 35:33
  passionate
• 35:33
  about
• 35:33
  advocating
• 35:34
  for
• 35:34
  the
• 35:34
  work.
• 35:34
  So
• 35:35
  thank
• 35:35
  you
• 35:35
  for
• 35:35
  that
• 35:35
  question.
• 35:38
  Being
• 35:40
  musical
• 35:41
  is
• 35:41
  being
• 35:41
  human,
• 35:41
  and
• 35:42
  being
• 35:42
  human
• 35:42
  is
• 35:42
  being
• 35:43
  musical.
• 35:44
  It's
• 35:44
  not
• 35:45
  just
• 35:45
  for
• 35:46
  people
• 35:46
  who
• 35:47
  specifically
• 35:48
  enjoy
• 35:48
  music
• 35:48
  or
• 35:49
  are
• 35:49
  trained.
• 35:51
  It's
• 35:52
  such
• 35:52
  an
• 35:52
  integral
• 35:52
  part
• 35:53
  of
• 35:53
  who
• 35:53
  we
• 35:53
  are
• 35:53
  as
• 35:53
  human
• 35:54
  beings.
• 35:54
  So
• 35:54
  it
• 35:55
  just
• 35:55
  makes
• 35:55
  sense
• 35:56
  to
• 35:56
  have
• 35:56
  a
• 35:56
  music
• 35:56
  therapist
• 35:57
  integrated
• 35:58
  into
• 35:58
  many
• 35:59
  healthcare
• 35:59
  teams
• 36:00
  across
• 36:00
  all
• 36:01
  ages
• 36:01
  and
• 36:01
  stages
• 36:02
  of
• 36:02
  life,
• 36:03
  from
• 36:03
  the
• 36:04
  time
• 36:04
  we're
• 36:04
  born
• 36:04
  to
• 36:04
  the
• 36:05
  time
• 36:05
  we
• 36:05
  die.
• 36:06
  And
• 36:08
  it's
• 36:08
  just
• 36:08
  an
• 36:08
  inherent
• 36:09
  part
• 36:09
  of
• 36:09
  being
• 36:10
  alive.
• 36:10
  You
• 36:11
  know,
• 36:11
  integrating
• 36:11
  rhythm,
• 36:12
  embodying
• 36:13
  cadence,
• 36:14
  harmony,
• 36:14
  dissonance.
• 36:15
  It's
• 36:15
  part
• 36:15
  of
• 36:15
  being
• 36:16
  human.
• 36:16
  So
• 36:16
  we're
• 36:17
  growing
• 36:17
  as
• 36:17
  a
• 36:18
  profession.
• 36:18
  I
• 36:18
  want
• 36:18
  people
• 36:19
  to
• 36:19
  know.
• 36:19
  And
• 36:21
  my
• 36:21
  hope
• 36:21
  and
• 36:22
  my
• 36:22
  dream
• 36:22
  is
• 36:22
  that
• 36:22
  music
• 36:22
  therapy
• 36:23
  becomes
• 36:23
  a
• 36:23
  standard
• 36:24
  of
• 36:24
  healthcare.
• 36:25
  And
• 36:25
  it's
• 36:25
  not
• 36:25
  a
• 36:25
  surprise
• 36:26
  to
• 36:26
  have
• 36:27
  a
• 36:27
  music
• 36:27
  therapist
• 36:27
  at
• 36:28
  a
• 36:28
  hospital
• 36:28
  anymore.
• 36:29
  That's
• 36:29
  my
• 36:29
  dream.
• 36:30
  But
• 36:30
  I
• 36:30
  think
• 36:30
  that
• 36:31
  piece
• 36:31
  around
• 36:31
  being
• 36:31
  human
• 36:32
  and
• 36:32
  being
• 36:32
  musical,
• 36:33
  that
• 36:33
  we
• 36:33
  all
• 36:34
  carry
• 36:34
  that,
• 36:34
  that's
• 36:35
  what
• 36:35
  I
• 36:35
  really
• 36:35
  want
• 36:35
  people
• 36:35
  to
• 36:36
  take
• 36:36
  away.
• 36:37
  What
• 36:38
  is
• 36:38
  the
• 36:38
  state
• 36:38
  of
• 36:38
  music
• 36:39
  therapy
• 36:39
  like
• 36:40
  around
• 36:40
  the
• 36:40
  world
• 36:41
  that,
• 36:41
  you
• 36:41
  know
• 36:41
  of?
• 36:44
  My
• 36:44
  sense
• 36:44
  is
• 36:44
  it's
• 36:45
  far
• 36:45
  more
• 36:45
  integrated
• 36:46
  in
• 36:46
  the
• 36:47
  United
• 36:47
  States.
• 36:48
  There
• 36:48
  are
• 36:48
  more
• 36:48
  training
• 36:49
  programs,
• 36:49
  there
• 36:49
  are
• 36:49
  more
• 36:50
  therapists
• 36:51
  working
• 36:51
  in
• 36:51
  different
• 36:51
  settings.
• 36:52
  I
• 36:53
  think
• 36:53
  it's
• 36:54
  the
• 36:54
  organization,
• 36:54
  the
• 36:55
  American
• 36:55
  Music
• 36:55
  Therapy
• 36:56
  association
• 36:56
  is
• 36:56
  bigger
• 36:57
  than
• 36:57
  the
• 36:57
  Canadian
• 36:57
  association,
• 36:59
  but
• 36:59
  we're
• 37:00
  growing
• 37:00
  too.
• 37:00
  So
• 37:01
  it's
• 37:01
  just.
• 37:01
  It's
• 37:01
  bigger,
• 37:02
  it's
• 37:02
  more
• 37:02
  robust,
• 37:02
  it's
• 37:03
  more
• 37:03
  widespread.
• 37:03
  The
• 37:04
  same
• 37:04
  would
• 37:04
  go
• 37:04
  for
• 37:04
  Europe.
• 37:06
  In
• 37:06
  Europe,
• 37:06
  the
• 37:07
  regulations
• 37:07
  are
• 37:07
  different.
• 37:08
  And
• 37:08
  I
• 37:08
  think
• 37:08
  again,
• 37:09
  there's
• 37:09
  a
• 37:09
  lot
• 37:09
  of
• 37:10
  really
• 37:10
  robust
• 37:11
  research
• 37:11
  happening
• 37:12
  in
• 37:12
  Europe.
• 37:12
  Same
• 37:13
  goes
• 37:13
  for
• 37:13
  Australia.
• 37:14
  It's
• 37:15
  massive
• 37:16
  in
• 37:16
  different
• 37:16
  parts
• 37:17
  of
• 37:17
  the
• 37:17
  world.
• 37:17
  And
• 37:17
  I
• 37:18
  think
• 37:18
  in
• 37:18
  Canada
• 37:18
  it's
• 37:19
  growing
• 37:19
  fast,
• 37:19
  but
• 37:20
  we
• 37:20
  have
• 37:20
  some
• 37:20
  catching
• 37:21
  up
• 37:21
  to
• 37:21
  do
• 37:21
  too
• 37:21
  I
• 37:22
  hope
• 37:22
  I'm
• 37:22
  not
• 37:22
  controversial
• 37:23
  in
• 37:23
  saying
• 37:23
  that,
• 37:23
  but
• 37:24
  we
• 37:24
  have
• 37:24
  a
• 37:24
  long
• 37:24
  way
• 37:24
  to
• 37:25
  go,
• 37:25
  and
• 37:25
  I'm
• 37:25
  excited
• 37:25
  about
• 37:26
  that.
• 37:26
  Any
• 37:26
  idea
• 37:27
  about
• 37:27
  what
• 37:27
  the
• 37:28
  rest
• 37:28
  of
• 37:28
  the
• 37:28
  world
• 37:28
  is
• 37:29
  like?
• 37:29
  Is
• 37:29
  it
• 37:29
  more
• 37:29
  integrated
• 37:30
  into
• 37:32
  cultures
• 37:32
  outside
• 37:33
  of
• 37:33
  the
• 37:33
  Western
• 37:33
  world,
• 37:34
  or
• 37:34
  is
• 37:34
  it
• 37:34
  something
• 37:35
  that
• 37:36
  you
• 37:36
  think
• 37:37
  could
• 37:37
  help
• 37:38
  countries
• 37:38
  like
• 37:38
  that
• 37:39
  a
• 37:39
  bit
• 37:39
  more
• 37:39
  as
• 37:39
  well?
• 37:41
  It
• 37:41
  is
• 37:42
  actually
• 37:42
  quite
• 37:42
  a
• 37:42
  Western
• 37:43
  notion
• 37:43
  to
• 37:44
  take
• 37:44
  music
• 37:44
  and
• 37:44
  make
• 37:44
  it
• 37:45
  clinical.
• 37:45
  And
• 37:45
  if
• 37:45
  you
• 37:46
  think
• 37:46
  about
• 37:47
  cultures
• 37:47
  that
• 37:47
  use
• 37:48
  music
• 37:48
  for
• 37:49
  healing
• 37:49
  very
• 37:49
  organically
• 37:50
  and
• 37:50
  inherently,
• 37:52
  it
• 37:52
  might
• 37:52
  feel
• 37:52
  foreign
• 37:53
  to
• 37:53
  say,
• 37:53
  oh,
• 37:54
  we're
• 37:54
  gonna
• 37:54
  have
• 37:54
  a
• 37:54
  music
• 37:55
  therapist
• 37:55
  come
• 37:55
  in
• 37:56
  and
• 37:56
  guide
• 37:56
  you.
• 37:57
  Cause
• 37:58
  I've
• 37:58
  heard
• 37:58
  people
• 37:58
  say,
• 37:59
  well,
• 38:01
  I
• 38:01
  use
• 38:01
  music
• 38:02
  already.
• 38:02
  Why
• 38:02
  do
• 38:03
  I
• 38:03
  need
• 38:03
  someone
• 38:03
  to
• 38:03
  teach
• 38:04
  me
• 38:04
  or
• 38:04
  show
• 38:04
  me
• 38:04
  or
• 38:05
  guide
• 38:05
  me
• 38:05
  in
• 38:05
  how
• 38:05
  to
• 38:06
  do.
• 38:07
  That's
• 38:07
  a
• 38:08
  good
• 38:08
  question.
• 38:08
  Yeah,
• 38:09
  yeah.
• 38:09
  But,
• 38:10
  you
• 38:10
  know,
• 38:11
  I
• 38:11
  think
• 38:11
  there
• 38:12
  is
• 38:12
  a
• 38:12
  role
• 38:12
  for
• 38:12
  someone
• 38:12
  who's
• 38:13
  trained
• 38:13
  as
• 38:13
  a
• 38:13
  therapist
• 38:14
  to
• 38:14
  look
• 38:14
  at.
• 38:15
  To
• 38:16
  look
• 38:16
  at
• 38:16
  cultures
• 38:16
  that
• 38:17
  already
• 38:17
  use
• 38:17
  music
• 38:18
  and
• 38:18
  just
• 38:18
  maybe
• 38:18
  amplify
• 38:19
  that
• 38:19
  or
• 38:20
  empower
• 38:20
  that
• 38:21
  or
• 38:21
  learn
• 38:22
  from
• 38:22
  that.
• 38:22
  Actually,
• 38:23
  some
• 38:23
  of
• 38:23
  my
• 38:23
  favorite
• 38:24
  lessons
• 38:24
  have
• 38:24
  been
• 38:24
  from
• 38:25
  people
• 38:25
  who
• 38:26
  don't
• 38:26
  speak
• 38:26
  English
• 38:27
  as
• 38:27
  a
• 38:27
  first
• 38:27
  language.
• 38:28
  And
• 38:28
  they
• 38:28
  teach
• 38:28
  me
• 38:29
  so
• 38:29
  much
• 38:29
  about
• 38:30
  how
• 38:30
  music
• 38:30
  moves
• 38:31
  them
• 38:31
  because
• 38:32
  they
• 38:32
  teach
• 38:32
  me
• 38:32
  folk
• 38:32
  songs
• 38:33
  and
• 38:33
  they
• 38:33
  sing
• 38:33
  with
• 38:33
  me.
• 38:34
  But
• 38:36
  our
• 38:36
  World
• 38:36
  Congress
• 38:37
  of
• 38:37
  Music
• 38:37
  Therapy
• 38:38
  was
• 38:38
  held
• 38:38
  in
• 38:38
  South
• 38:38
  Africa
• 38:39
  a
• 38:39
  few
• 38:39
  years
• 38:39
  ago.
• 38:40
  There's
• 38:41
  a
• 38:41
  lot
• 38:41
  of
• 38:41
  amazing
• 38:42
  music
• 38:42
  therapy
• 38:42
  and
• 38:43
  research
• 38:44
  coming
• 38:44
  out
• 38:44
  of
• 38:44
  Asia.
• 38:45
  So
• 38:46
  it
• 38:46
  is
• 38:46
  an
• 38:47
  excellent
• 38:47
  question.
• 38:47
  I
• 38:47
  think
• 38:48
  music
• 38:48
  therapy
• 38:49
  is
• 38:49
  a
• 38:49
  strange
• 38:49
  concept
• 38:50
  in
• 38:50
  some
• 38:50
  cultures,
• 38:50
  but
• 38:51
  for
• 38:51
  the
• 38:51
  most
• 38:51
  part,
• 38:52
  I
• 38:52
  think
• 38:52
  we're
• 38:52
  all
• 38:53
  aiming
• 38:53
  for
• 38:53
  the
• 38:53
  same
• 38:53
  goal.
• 38:54
  Which
• 38:54
  is
• 38:54
  music
• 38:55
  for
• 38:55
  wellness,
• 38:56
  health.
• 38:56
  Well,
• 38:56
  being.
• 38:57
  Absolutely.
• 38:58
  These
• 38:58
  programs
• 38:59
  that
• 38:59
  you're
• 38:59
  mentioning,
• 38:59
  too,
• 38:59
  these
• 39:00
  are
• 39:00
  all
• 39:00
  based
• 39:00
  on
• 39:01
  live
• 39:01
  music,
• 39:01
  right?
• 39:03
  Typically,
• 39:03
  yes.
• 39:04
  I
• 39:04
  mean,
• 39:04
  I
• 39:05
  will
• 39:05
  use
• 39:05
  recorded
• 39:05
  music
• 39:06
  if
• 39:06
  someone
• 39:06
  wants
• 39:07
  that,
• 39:07
  but
• 39:07
  yes,
• 39:08
  because.
• 39:08
  We
• 39:08
  did
• 39:09
  speak
• 39:09
  with
• 39:10
  somebody
• 39:11
  from
• 39:11
  the
• 39:11
  Music
• 39:11
  and
• 39:12
  Memory
• 39:12
  Organization
• 39:13
  a
• 39:13
  while
• 39:13
  back,
• 39:13
  and
• 39:13
  I
• 39:14
  know
• 39:14
  they're
• 39:14
  all
• 39:14
  recorded
• 39:15
  music,
• 39:17
  but
• 39:17
  I
• 39:17
  think
• 39:17
  theirs
• 39:18
  is
• 39:18
  also
• 39:18
  based
• 39:19
  on
• 39:19
  dementia
• 39:20
  and
• 39:20
  memory
• 39:21
  issues.
• 39:21
  Do
• 39:22
  you
• 39:22
  see
• 39:22
  any.
• 39:23
  Is
• 39:24
  there
• 39:24
  a
• 39:24
  correlation
• 39:25
  between
• 39:25
  the
• 39:26
  two
• 39:26
  or
• 39:26
  any
• 39:26
  sort
• 39:26
  of
• 39:26
  balance
• 39:27
  or
• 39:28
  any
• 39:28
  thoughts
• 39:28
  on
• 39:28
  the
• 39:29
  difference
• 39:29
  between
• 39:29
  the
• 39:29
  live
• 39:30
  recorded
• 39:31
  music?
• 39:31
  There's
• 39:32
  a
• 39:32
  lot
• 39:32
  of
• 39:32
  crossover,
• 39:33
  I
• 39:33
  think,
• 39:33
  with
• 39:33
  the
• 39:33
  great
• 39:34
  work
• 39:34
  that
• 39:34
  the
• 39:34
  folks
• 39:34
  at
• 39:35
  Music
• 39:35
  and
• 39:35
  Memory
• 39:35
  do
• 39:36
  in
• 39:36
  music
• 39:36
  and
• 39:36
  dementia
• 39:37
  care.
• 39:38
  What
• 39:39
  I
• 39:39
  always
• 39:39
  say
• 39:39
  is
• 39:41
  the
• 39:41
  recording,
• 39:42
  though
• 39:42
  extremely
• 39:43
  powerful,
• 39:45
  does
• 39:46
  not
• 39:46
  react
• 39:47
  to
• 39:47
  whatever
• 39:47
  the
• 39:47
  patient's
• 39:48
  experience
• 39:48
  is
• 39:48
  or
• 39:49
  the
• 39:49
  person's
• 39:49
  experience
• 39:50
  is.
• 39:51
  Whereas
• 39:51
  a
• 39:51
  live
• 39:51
  musician
• 39:52
  can
• 39:52
  adapt,
• 39:53
  shift,
• 39:53
  change
• 39:53
  tempo,
• 39:54
  change
• 39:54
  lyrics,
• 39:55
  change
• 39:55
  all
• 39:56
  kinds
• 39:56
  of
• 39:56
  things
• 39:57
  to
• 39:57
  really
• 39:57
  match
• 39:58
  the
• 39:58
  person's
• 39:59
  experience.
• 40:00
  But,
• 40:00
  you
• 40:00
  know,
• 40:01
  sometimes
• 40:01
  people
• 40:01
  just
• 40:02
  want
• 40:02
  to
• 40:02
  hear
• 40:02
  Elvis,
• 40:03
  and
• 40:03
  I'm
• 40:03
  not.
• 40:03
  I
• 40:04
  can't
• 40:04
  emulate
• 40:05
  that
• 40:05
  or
• 40:05
  want
• 40:06
  to
• 40:06
  hear
• 40:07
  the
• 40:07
  Sound
• 40:08
  of
• 40:08
  something
• 40:08
  that's
• 40:09
  so
• 40:09
  intimately
• 40:10
  familiar.
• 40:10
  So
• 40:11
  I'll
• 40:11
  pull
• 40:11
  out
• 40:11
  my
• 40:11
  phone,
• 40:11
  I'll
• 40:12
  pull
• 40:12
  out
• 40:12
  an
• 40:12
  iPad,
• 40:13
  and
• 40:13
  not
• 40:14
  ever
• 40:14
  resist
• 40:15
  that,
• 40:15
  but
• 40:15
  embody
• 40:16
  that
• 40:16
  as
• 40:16
  much
• 40:16
  as
• 40:17
  possible.
• 40:17
  I
• 40:18
  just
• 40:18
  love
• 40:18
  being
• 40:19
  able
• 40:19
  to
• 40:19
  react
• 40:19
  in
• 40:19
  the
• 40:20
  moment
• 40:20
  with
• 40:20
  live
• 40:20
  music.
• 40:21
  Yeah,
• 40:22
  I
• 40:22
  know.
• 40:22
  That's
• 40:23
  powerful.
• 40:25
  I
• 40:25
  also
• 40:25
  was
• 40:25
  wondering,
• 40:26
  too,
• 40:26
  just
• 40:26
  on
• 40:26
  the
• 40:26
  flip
• 40:26
  side
• 40:27
  of
• 40:27
  things,
• 40:27
  because
• 40:29
  how
• 40:29
  do
• 40:29
  you
• 40:29
  feel
• 40:30
  about
• 40:30
  where,
• 40:31
  I
• 40:32
  guess,
• 40:32
  school
• 40:32
  systems
• 40:33
  kind
• 40:33
  of
• 40:33
  are,
• 40:33
  at
• 40:33
  least
• 40:33
  in
• 40:34
  Ontario?
• 40:34
  I
• 40:35
  know
• 40:35
  there's
• 40:35
  been
• 40:35
  a
• 40:35
  lot
• 40:35
  of
• 40:36
  changes
• 40:36
  and
• 40:36
  probably
• 40:37
  reduced
• 40:37
  efforts
• 40:38
  to
• 40:39
  allow
• 40:40
  students
• 40:41
  into
• 40:41
  music
• 40:42
  programs.
• 40:44
  How
• 40:44
  do
• 40:44
  you
• 40:44
  feel
• 40:44
  about
• 40:45
  that?
• 40:45
  And
• 40:46
  what
• 40:46
  advice
• 40:47
  do
• 40:47
  you
• 40:47
  have
• 40:47
  for
• 40:47
  parents
• 40:48
  or
• 40:49
  people
• 40:49
  who
• 40:49
  are
• 40:49
  interested
• 40:50
  in
• 40:50
  music
• 40:50
  might
• 40:50
  not
• 40:51
  have
• 40:51
  the
• 40:51
  access.
• 40:53
  It
• 40:53
  breaks
• 40:53
  my
• 40:53
  heart
• 40:54
  that
• 40:54
  music
• 40:54
  and
• 40:55
  the
• 40:55
  arts
• 40:55
  get
• 40:56
  cut
• 40:56
  so
• 40:56
  quickly
• 40:57
  and
• 40:57
  often
• 40:57
  are
• 40:57
  the
• 40:57
  first
• 40:58
  to
• 40:58
  get
• 40:58
  cut.
• 40:59
  It
• 41:00
  really
• 41:00
  upsets
• 41:00
  me.
• 41:01
  But
• 41:04
  I
• 41:04
  encourage
• 41:05
  people
• 41:05
  to
• 41:07
  not
• 41:07
  necessarily
• 41:08
  only
• 41:08
  rely
• 41:09
  on
• 41:09
  formalized
• 41:09
  music
• 41:10
  education
• 41:11
  for
• 41:11
  their
• 41:11
  families,
• 41:12
  for
• 41:12
  their
• 41:12
  kids.
• 41:13
  We
• 41:14
  all
• 41:14
  carry
• 41:15
  a
• 41:15
  musical
• 41:15
  history
• 41:15
  with
• 41:16
  us,
• 41:16
  and
• 41:16
  I
• 41:16
  think
• 41:16
  sharing
• 41:17
  music
• 41:17
  that's
• 41:17
  important
• 41:18
  to
• 41:18
  you
• 41:19
  with
• 41:19
  your
• 41:19
  family
• 41:20
  can
• 41:20
  be
• 41:20
  so
• 41:20
  powerful.
• 41:21
  Maybe
• 41:21
  that's
• 41:21
  listening
• 41:21
  to
• 41:22
  music
• 41:22
  around
• 41:22
  the
• 41:22
  dinner
• 41:22
  table
• 41:24
  and
• 41:24
  intentionally
• 41:25
  doing
• 41:25
  so
• 41:26
  and
• 41:26
  choosing
• 41:26
  music
• 41:27
  to
• 41:27
  engage
• 41:27
  with,
• 41:28
  whether
• 41:28
  it's
• 41:28
  listening,
• 41:29
  singing,
• 41:29
  attending
• 41:30
  live
• 41:30
  music,
• 41:31
  now
• 41:31
  that
• 41:32
  it's
• 41:32
  starting
• 41:32
  to
• 41:32
  come
• 41:32
  back.
• 41:33
  I
• 41:34
  am
• 41:34
  a
• 41:34
  huge
• 41:34
  advocate
• 41:35
  for
• 41:35
  music
• 41:35
  in
• 41:35
  schools,
• 41:36
  and
• 41:36
  I
• 41:36
  think
• 41:36
  the
• 41:36
  more
• 41:37
  the
• 41:37
  better.
• 41:37
  But
• 41:37
  I
• 41:37
  think
• 41:38
  we
• 41:38
  have
• 41:38
  to
• 41:38
  also
• 41:39
  recognize
• 41:40
  the
• 41:40
  fact
• 41:40
  that
• 41:41
  we
• 41:41
  can
• 41:41
  all
• 41:42
  share
• 41:42
  music
• 41:43
  with
• 41:43
  each
• 41:43
  other
• 41:43
  in
• 41:43
  a
• 41:44
  way
• 41:44
  that's
• 41:44
  very
• 41:44
  powerful
• 41:45
  and
• 41:45
  educational,
• 41:45
  even
• 41:46
  if
• 41:46
  it's
• 41:46
  not
• 41:46
  formalized
• 41:47
  music
• 41:47
  education.
• 41:48
  Absolutely.
• 41:49
  My
• 41:49
  dad
• 41:49
  would
• 41:49
  turn
• 41:50
  off
• 41:50
  the
• 41:50
  TVs
• 41:51
  after
• 41:51
  dinner
• 41:52
  on
• 41:52
  Saturday,
• 41:53
  and
• 41:53
  we
• 41:53
  would
• 41:54
  be
• 41:54
  forced
• 41:54
  to.
• 41:54
  Like,
• 41:55
  we
• 41:55
  would
• 41:55
  play
• 41:55
  still
• 41:56
  because
• 41:56
  we're
• 41:56
  kids,
• 41:56
  but
• 41:56
  we
• 41:57
  were
• 41:57
  forced
• 41:57
  to
• 41:57
  listen
• 41:58
  to
• 41:58
  music.
• 41:58
  And
• 41:58
  it
• 41:59
  wasn't
• 41:59
  always
• 41:59
  just.
• 41:59
  Just
• 42:00
  what
• 42:00
  he
• 42:00
  liked.
• 42:01
  Sometimes
• 42:02
  it
• 42:02
  was
• 42:02
  country.
• 42:03
  Like,
• 42:03
  we
• 42:03
  became
• 42:04
  very
• 42:04
  familiar
• 42:04
  with
• 42:05
  guys
• 42:05
  like
• 42:05
  Conway
• 42:06
  Twitty,
• 42:06
  Kenny
• 42:07
  Rogers,
• 42:09
  and
• 42:09
  just,
• 42:10
  like,
• 42:10
  pop
• 42:10
  stars
• 42:11
  like
• 42:12
  hall
• 42:12
  and
• 42:12
  Oates,
• 42:13
  and
• 42:13
  just,
• 42:13
  like,
• 42:13
  random
• 42:14
  stuff
• 42:14
  that
• 42:14
  I
• 42:14
  would
• 42:14
  never
• 42:15
  have
• 42:15
  gravitated
• 42:16
  toward,
• 42:16
  even
• 42:17
  listened
• 42:17
  to.
• 42:18
  But
• 42:18
  because
• 42:18
  every
• 42:19
  Saturday,
• 42:19
  he,
• 42:19
  like,
• 42:20
  intentionally
• 42:21
  made
• 42:21
  sure
• 42:21
  TVs
• 42:22
  were
• 42:22
  off.
• 42:22
  So
• 42:23
  you're
• 42:23
  getting
• 42:23
  music,
• 42:24
  we're
• 42:24
  absorbing
• 42:24
  it.
• 42:25
  And
• 42:25
  that,
• 42:25
  to
• 42:25
  me,
• 42:25
  even
• 42:25
  though
• 42:26
  it
• 42:26
  was.
• 42:26
  He
• 42:27
  might
• 42:27
  have
• 42:27
  had
• 42:27
  it
• 42:27
  in
• 42:28
  an
• 42:28
  intentional
• 42:28
  purpose,
• 42:29
  to
• 42:29
  us,
• 42:29
  it
• 42:29
  just
• 42:29
  seemed
• 42:30
  like
• 42:30
  normal.
• 42:31
  And
• 42:31
  I
• 42:31
  was
• 42:31
  able
• 42:31
  to
• 42:32
  absorb
• 42:32
  so
• 42:32
  much
• 42:33
  different
• 42:33
  music
• 42:33
  from
• 42:34
  that.
• 42:34
  And
• 42:35
  even
• 42:35
  just
• 42:35
  being
• 42:35
  around
• 42:36
  other
• 42:36
  people
• 42:36
  when
• 42:36
  they
• 42:37
  play
• 42:37
  music,
• 42:38
  just,
• 42:38
  oh,
• 42:38
  what
• 42:38
  is
• 42:39
  this?
• 42:39
  And
• 42:39
  the
• 42:39
  connection
• 42:40
  that
• 42:40
  you
• 42:40
  can
• 42:40
  have
• 42:40
  with
• 42:40
  people
• 42:41
  and
• 42:41
  you
• 42:42
  share,
• 42:42
  it's
• 42:43
  so
• 42:43
  powerful
• 42:44
  that
• 42:44
  I
• 42:44
  would.
• 42:45
  I
• 42:45
  love
• 42:45
  just
• 42:45
  listening
• 42:46
  to
• 42:46
  other.
• 42:46
  Like,
• 42:46
  when
• 42:47
  someone
• 42:47
  comes
• 42:47
  in
• 42:47
  my
• 42:47
  car,
• 42:48
  I
• 42:48
  want
• 42:48
  to
• 42:48
  hear
• 42:48
  what
• 42:49
  you're
• 42:49
  listening
• 42:49
  to.
• 42:50
  I
• 42:50
  hear
• 42:50
  my
• 42:50
  shit
• 42:50
  all
• 42:51
  the
• 42:51
  time.
• 42:51
  I
• 42:51
  want
• 42:51
  to
• 42:51
  hear
• 42:51
  what
• 42:51
  you
• 42:51
  like,
• 42:52
  because
• 42:52
  I
• 42:52
  can
• 42:52
  then
• 42:53
  get
• 42:53
  something
• 42:54
  from
• 42:54
  you.
• 42:54
  And
• 42:54
  I
• 42:55
  kind
• 42:55
  of
• 42:55
  feel
• 42:55
  like
• 42:56
  I'm
• 42:56
  learning
• 42:56
  and
• 42:57
  experiencing
• 42:57
  and
• 42:58
  enjoying
• 42:58
  a
• 42:59
  little
• 42:59
  bit
• 42:59
  of
• 42:59
  that
• 42:59
  person's
• 43:00
  personality.
• 43:01
  Does
• 43:01
  that
• 43:01
  make
• 43:01
  sense?
• 43:02
  That's
• 43:02
  such
• 43:02
  a
• 43:02
  beautiful
• 43:03
  example
• 43:03
  that
• 43:03
  you
• 43:04
  shared.
• 43:04
  I
• 43:04
  love
• 43:04
  that.
• 43:04
  Yes.
• 43:05
  That's
• 43:05
  gorgeous.
• 43:06
  Oh,
• 43:07
  did
• 43:07
  you.
• 43:08
  I
• 43:08
  was
• 43:09
  going
• 43:09
  to
• 43:09
  ask
• 43:09
  you,
• 43:09
  what
• 43:09
  impact
• 43:10
  do
• 43:10
  you
• 43:10
  think
• 43:10
  that
• 43:10
  had
• 43:10
  on
• 43:11
  you
• 43:11
  growing
• 43:11
  up?
• 43:12
  That's
• 43:12
  a
• 43:12
  great
• 43:13
  question.
• 43:13
  It
• 43:13
  allowed
• 43:14
  me
• 43:14
  to
• 43:16
  get
• 43:16
  out
• 43:16
  of
• 43:16
  my
• 43:17
  own
• 43:19
  box
• 43:19
  because
• 43:20
  I
• 43:20
  would
• 43:20
  like
• 43:21
  rap
• 43:21
  at
• 43:22
  the
• 43:22
  time.
• 43:22
  So
• 43:23
  if
• 43:23
  it
• 43:23
  wasn't
• 43:23
  rap,
• 43:24
  I'm.
• 43:24
  I'm
• 43:24
  not
• 43:25
  playing
• 43:25
  it,
• 43:25
  but
• 43:25
  if
• 43:25
  I
• 43:26
  hear
• 43:26
  it,
• 43:26
  oh,
• 43:26
  what
• 43:27
  is
• 43:27
  that?
• 43:27
  But
• 43:27
  I
• 43:27
  would
• 43:27
  never
• 43:28
  have
• 43:28
  given
• 43:28
  that
• 43:28
  a
• 43:28
  chance
• 43:29
  or
• 43:30
  something
• 43:30
  that
• 43:30
  someone
• 43:31
  else
• 43:31
  was
• 43:31
  playing.
• 43:32
  Like
• 43:32
  my
• 43:32
  dad,
• 43:33
  for
• 43:33
  example,
• 43:33
  country
• 43:34
  music
• 43:34
  just
• 43:34
  didn't
• 43:34
  resonate
• 43:35
  with
• 43:35
  me.
• 43:35
  But
• 43:36
  every
• 43:36
  now
• 43:36
  and
• 43:36
  then,
• 43:36
  there's
• 43:37
  that
• 43:37
  one
• 43:37
  song.
• 43:37
  It's
• 43:38
  like,
• 43:38
  wow,
• 43:39
  I
• 43:39
  think
• 43:39
  I
• 43:39
  like
• 43:40
  a
• 43:40
  country
• 43:40
  song.
• 43:40
  And
• 43:41
  then,
• 43:41
  like,
• 43:41
  now
• 43:41
  when
• 43:42
  I
• 43:42
  hear
• 43:42
  it,
• 43:42
  it's
• 43:43
  like,
• 43:43
  oh,
• 43:43
  yeah,
• 43:43
  country's
• 43:44
  okay,
• 43:44
  you
• 43:45
  know,
• 43:45
  And.
• 43:45
  And
• 43:46
  then
• 43:46
  I
• 43:46
  might
• 43:46
  listen
• 43:46
  to
• 43:46
  another
• 43:47
  country
• 43:47
  song
• 43:48
  or
• 43:48
  at
• 43:48
  least
• 43:48
  not
• 43:48
  have
• 43:48
  my
• 43:49
  guard
• 43:49
  up
• 43:49
  so
• 43:49
  much
• 43:50
  anymore
• 43:50
  with
• 43:51
  certain
• 43:51
  music
• 43:51
  because
• 43:52
  my
• 43:52
  dad
• 43:52
  never
• 43:53
  had
• 43:53
  me
• 43:53
  in
• 43:53
  a
• 43:53
  box
• 43:54
  or
• 43:54
  I
• 43:54
  was
• 43:55
  able
• 43:55
  to
• 43:55
  or
• 43:56
  forced
• 43:56
  to
• 43:58
  listen
• 43:58
  to
• 43:58
  other
• 43:58
  people's
• 43:59
  interests.
• 44:00
  And
• 44:00
  that
• 44:00
  was
• 44:01
  really
• 44:01
  important
• 44:02
  to
• 44:02
  me
• 44:02
  growing
• 44:02
  up
• 44:03
  because
• 44:03
  my
• 44:04
  whole
• 44:04
  family,
• 44:04
  from
• 44:05
  my
• 44:05
  brothers
• 44:06
  to
• 44:06
  my
• 44:06
  dad
• 44:07
  to
• 44:07
  my
• 44:07
  aunts,
• 44:08
  they
• 44:08
  all
• 44:08
  listened
• 44:08
  to
• 44:09
  such
• 44:09
  different
• 44:09
  music
• 44:09
  that
• 44:10
  I
• 44:10
  got
• 44:11
  such
• 44:11
  an
• 44:11
  incredible
• 44:12
  blend
• 44:13
  of
• 44:14
  music
• 44:14
  that
• 44:14
  I
• 44:14
  listen
• 44:15
  to
• 44:15
  that
• 44:15
  now
• 44:16
  my
• 44:16
  iPhone
• 44:17
  is
• 44:17
  just.
• 44:17
  You
• 44:17
  wouldn't
• 44:18
  even
• 44:18
  believe
• 44:18
  some
• 44:18
  of
• 44:18
  the
• 44:19
  music
• 44:19
  that
• 44:19
  I
• 44:19
  have
• 44:19
  on
• 44:19
  there.
• 44:20
  But
• 44:20
  if
• 44:20
  it
• 44:21
  wasn't
• 44:21
  for
• 44:21
  my
• 44:21
  childhood,
• 44:22
  it
• 44:22
  wouldn't
• 44:22
  have
• 44:22
  opened
• 44:23
  up
• 44:23
  all
• 44:23
  of
• 44:23
  those
• 44:24
  doors
• 44:24
  for
• 44:24
  me.
• 44:25
  That's
• 44:26
  such
• 44:26
  an
• 44:26
  extraordinary
• 44:27
  example
• 44:27
  and
• 44:27
  a
• 44:28
  perfect
• 44:28
  example
• 44:29
  of
• 44:29
  your
• 44:29
  own
• 44:29
  musical
• 44:30
  autobiography,
• 44:31
  which
• 44:32
  is
• 44:32
  so
• 44:32
  rich
• 44:33
  and
• 44:33
  diverse
• 44:34
  thanks
• 44:34
  to
• 44:34
  the
• 44:34
  influences
• 44:35
  of
• 44:35
  your
• 44:35
  family,
• 44:35
  of
• 44:36
  your
• 44:36
  dad.
• 44:36
  But
• 44:37
  this
• 44:37
  concept
• 44:38
  that
• 44:38
  we
• 44:38
  each
• 44:38
  carry
• 44:39
  a
• 44:39
  musical
• 44:39
  history
• 44:39
  and
• 44:40
  yours
• 44:40
  is
• 44:40
  shaped
• 44:41
  by
• 44:41
  the
• 44:41
  people
• 44:41
  around
• 44:41
  you,
• 44:41
  as
• 44:42
  all
• 44:42
  of
• 44:42
  ours
• 44:42
  are
• 44:42
  just
• 44:43
  so
• 44:43
  neat.
• 44:43
  It
• 44:44
  was
• 44:44
  cool
• 44:44
  when
• 44:44
  you
• 44:44
  said
• 44:44
  that
• 44:45
  earlier,
• 44:45
  that
• 44:45
  we
• 44:45
  all
• 44:45
  have
• 44:46
  a
• 44:46
  musical
• 44:46
  history,
• 44:46
  and
• 44:47
  I
• 44:47
  was
• 44:47
  like,
• 44:47
  wow,
• 44:48
  you
• 44:48
  know,
• 44:48
  you're
• 44:49
  absolutely
• 44:49
  right.
• 44:50
  And
• 44:50
  we
• 44:50
  always
• 44:51
  joke
• 44:51
  about
• 44:51
  music
• 44:52
  being
• 44:52
  in
• 44:52
  our
• 44:52
  DNA.
• 44:53
  It's
• 44:53
  part
• 44:53
  of
• 44:53
  our
• 44:54
  brand,
• 44:54
  right?
• 44:54
  So
• 44:54
  it's.
• 44:55
  It's
• 44:55
  just
• 44:56
  tuning
• 44:56
  in
• 44:56
  or
• 44:57
  kind
• 44:57
  of
• 44:57
  reinforcing
• 44:58
  some
• 44:59
  of
• 44:59
  that
• 44:59
  that
• 45:00
  we've
• 45:00
  already
• 45:00
  believed,
• 45:01
  like
• 45:01
  us
• 45:01
  here
• 45:01
  in
• 45:02
  this
• 45:02
  groom
• 45:02
  and
• 45:02
  you
• 45:02
  as
• 45:02
  well,
• 45:03
  that
• 45:03
  there's
• 45:04
  music
• 45:04
  is
• 45:04
  a
• 45:05
  part
• 45:05
  of
• 45:05
  us
• 45:05
  if
• 45:05
  we
• 45:06
  like
• 45:06
  it
• 45:06
  or
• 45:06
  not.
• 45:06
  It's.
• 45:07
  It's
• 45:07
  unavoidable.
• 45:08
  Beautiful.
• 45:10
  Doriki
• 45:11
  used
• 45:11
  to
• 45:11
  rap.
• 45:12
  Have
• 45:12
  you
• 45:12
  ever
• 45:12
  had
• 45:13
  to
• 45:13
  rap?
• 45:14
  This
• 45:14
  is
• 45:14
  a.
• 45:14
  I
• 45:15
  mean,
• 45:16
  this
• 45:16
  conversation's
• 45:17
  made
• 45:17
  me
• 45:17
  feel
• 45:17
  a
• 45:18
  little
• 45:18
  bit
• 45:18
  better.
• 45:19
  Have
• 45:19
  you
• 45:20
  ever
• 45:20
  had
• 45:20
  a
• 45:20
  rap
• 45:20
  for
• 45:21
  a
• 45:21
  patient?
• 45:21
  Because
• 45:21
  you
• 45:21
  get
• 45:21
  requests
• 45:22
  of
• 45:22
  all
• 45:22
  sorts.
• 45:22
  I'm
• 45:23
  sure
• 45:23
  that's
• 45:23
  true.
• 45:25
  Yes.
• 45:25
  Yes.
• 45:26
  And
• 45:26
  I
• 45:26
  don't
• 45:27
  pretend
• 45:27
  that
• 45:27
  I
• 45:27
  have
• 45:28
  any
• 45:28
  skill
• 45:28
  set
• 45:29
  in
• 45:29
  that
• 45:29
  regard,
• 45:30
  although,
• 45:31
  boy,
• 45:32
  do
• 45:32
  I
• 45:32
  love
• 45:32
  rap.
• 45:33
  And
• 45:33
  I
• 45:34
  love
• 45:34
  a
• 45:34
  lot
• 45:34
  of.
• 45:37
  That's
• 45:37
  awesome.
• 45:37
  Oh,
• 45:38
  a
• 45:38
  lot
• 45:38
  of
• 45:38
  hip
• 45:38
  hop
• 45:39
  and
• 45:39
  R
• 45:39
  and
• 45:39
  B,
• 45:39
  like,
• 45:39
  just
• 45:40
  from
• 45:40
  my
• 45:40
  own
• 45:40
  musical
• 45:40
  history.
• 45:41
  I
• 45:41
  just
• 45:41
  adore
• 45:41
  it.
• 45:42
  I
• 45:42
  suck
• 45:43
  at
• 45:43
  it,
• 45:43
  but
• 45:43
  I
• 45:43
  love
• 45:44
  it.
• 45:45
  But
• 45:46
  I
• 45:46
  love
• 45:46
  what,
• 45:46
  like,
• 45:46
  patients
• 45:47
  have
• 45:47
  asked
• 45:47
  to
• 45:47
  rap.
• 45:48
  And
• 45:49
  I'll
• 45:49
  provide
• 45:49
  a
• 45:49
  backing
• 45:50
  track,
• 45:51
  which
• 45:51
  is
• 45:51
  wonderful.
• 45:52
  And
• 45:52
  what
• 45:52
  I
• 45:52
  try
• 45:52
  and
• 45:53
  do
• 45:53
  is
• 45:53
  just
• 45:53
  always
• 45:54
  flip
• 45:54
  it
• 45:54
  back
• 45:54
  to
• 45:54
  the
• 45:54
  patient,
• 45:55
  like,
• 45:55
  tell
• 45:55
  me
• 45:55
  what
• 45:55
  you
• 45:56
  want
• 45:56
  to
• 45:56
  hear.
• 45:56
  Do
• 45:56
  you
• 45:57
  want
• 45:57
  to
• 45:57
  do
• 45:57
  it?
• 45:57
  Or,
• 45:58
  like,
• 45:58
  is
• 45:58
  it
• 45:58
  the
• 45:59
  lyrics?
• 45:59
  Is
• 45:59
  it
• 45:59
  the
• 45:59
  cadence?
• 46:00
  I
• 46:00
  had
• 46:01
  a
• 46:01
  young
• 46:01
  guy
• 46:01
  the
• 46:01
  other
• 46:01
  day
• 46:03
  do
• 46:03
  some
• 46:03
  spoken
• 46:03
  word
• 46:03
  with
• 46:04
  me
• 46:04
  over.
• 46:06
  Over
• 46:06
  some
• 46:06
  music.
• 46:07
  Over
• 46:07
  a
• 46:07
  heartbeat,
• 46:08
  actually.
• 46:09
  So
• 46:09
  yes
• 46:10
  is
• 46:10
  the
• 46:10
  short
• 46:10
  answer.
• 46:11
  And
• 46:12
  I
• 46:12
  just
• 46:12
  use.
• 46:13
  My
• 46:13
  patients
• 46:13
  are
• 46:13
  my
• 46:14
  best
• 46:14
  teachers,
• 46:14
  and
• 46:14
  I
• 46:15
  just
• 46:15
  kind
• 46:15
  of
• 46:15
  lean
• 46:15
  into
• 46:16
  what
• 46:16
  they
• 46:16
  want
• 46:17
  or
• 46:17
  what
• 46:17
  they're
• 46:17
  looking
• 46:17
  for.
• 46:18
  That's
• 46:18
  incredible.
• 46:18
  I
• 46:19
  think
• 46:19
  you
• 46:20
  brought
• 46:20
  the
• 46:20
  stethoscope
• 46:21
  with
• 46:21
  you.
• 46:22
  I
• 46:22
  sure
• 46:22
  did.
• 46:23
  I
• 46:23
  almost
• 46:23
  forgot.
• 46:24
  But
• 46:24
  I
• 46:24
  do
• 46:24
  want
• 46:24
  to
• 46:24
  see
• 46:24
  it,
• 46:25
  so
• 46:25
  please,
• 46:25
  can
• 46:25
  I.
• 46:26
  Can
• 46:26
  I.
• 46:27
  This
• 46:27
  will
• 46:27
  be
• 46:27
  our
• 46:27
  first
• 46:27
  time
• 46:28
  seeing
• 46:28
  it.
• 46:28
  Yeah,
• 46:29
  absolutely.
• 46:30
  This
• 46:30
  is
• 46:30
  such
• 46:30
  a
• 46:30
  gift.
• 46:31
  So.
• 46:31
  So
• 46:31
  let's
• 46:32
  do
• 46:32
  a
• 46:32
  little
• 46:32
  unboxing
• 46:33
  here.
• 46:35
  We'll
• 46:35
  have
• 46:36
  to
• 46:36
  put
• 46:36
  some
• 46:36
  pictures
• 46:36
  up.
• 46:37
  Yeah.
• 46:41
  I'll
• 46:41
  tell
• 46:42
  you
• 46:42
  a
• 46:42
  funny
• 46:42
  story,
• 46:42
  too,
• 46:43
  but
• 46:44
  first
• 46:44
  I'll
• 46:44
  show
• 46:44
  you,
• 46:45
  so.
• 46:45
  Thanks,
• 46:46
  Littman.
• 46:46
  They
• 46:47
  make
• 46:47
  a
• 46:47
  lot
• 46:47
  of
• 46:47
  stethoscopes
• 46:48
  in
• 46:48
  general,
• 46:48
  but
• 46:50
  if
• 46:50
  you
• 46:50
  press
• 46:50
  in
• 46:51
  this
• 46:51
  button
• 46:52
  on
• 46:52
  the
• 46:52
  side,
• 46:52
  which
• 46:53
  I'm
• 46:53
  doing
• 46:53
  right
• 46:53
  now,
• 46:54
  it
• 46:55
  Bluetooths
• 46:55
  directly
• 46:56
  to
• 46:56
  my
• 46:56
  phone,
• 46:56
  so
• 46:56
  I
• 46:56
  have
• 46:56
  an
• 46:57
  apple
• 46:58
  and
• 46:58
  I
• 46:58
  can
• 46:58
  hear.
• 46:59
  I've
• 46:59
  tried
• 47:00
  it
• 47:00
  on
• 47:00
  myself
• 47:00
  a
• 47:00
  few
• 47:01
  times
• 47:01
  just
• 47:01
  to
• 47:01
  make
• 47:01
  sure
• 47:01
  I
• 47:02
  could
• 47:02
  do
• 47:02
  it.
• 47:03
  You
• 47:03
  can
• 47:03
  pick
• 47:03
  up
• 47:04
  the
• 47:04
  heartbeat
• 47:04
  and
• 47:04
  it
• 47:05
  records
• 47:05
  it
• 47:05
  graphically,
• 47:06
  so
• 47:06
  visually.
• 47:07
  And
• 47:07
  you
• 47:07
  also
• 47:07
  have
• 47:08
  the
• 47:08
  actual
• 47:08
  audio
• 47:09
  recording,
• 47:10
  which
• 47:10
  then
• 47:10
  just
• 47:11
  functions
• 47:11
  as
• 47:11
  a
• 47:12
  track.
• 47:12
  So
• 47:13
  it's
• 47:13
  easy
• 47:13
  peasy
• 47:14
  and
• 47:15
  really
• 47:15
  awesome.
• 47:16
  So
• 47:17
  I'll
• 47:17
  tell
• 47:17
  you
• 47:18
  my
• 47:18
  funny
• 47:18
  story.
• 47:20
  I
• 47:20
  was
• 47:21
  with
• 47:21
  a
• 47:21
  patient,
• 47:22
  and
• 47:22
  I
• 47:23
  was
• 47:23
  working
• 47:23
  on
• 47:23
  recording
• 47:24
  their
• 47:24
  heartbeat.
• 47:25
  I
• 47:25
  had
• 47:25
  my
• 47:25
  keyboard
• 47:26
  out,
• 47:26
  and
• 47:26
  I
• 47:27
  was
• 47:27
  in
• 47:27
  full
• 47:27
  PPE
• 47:27
  because
• 47:28
  this
• 47:28
  guy
• 47:28
  was
• 47:28
  in
• 47:28
  an
• 47:29
  isolation
• 47:29
  room.
• 47:30
  And
• 47:31
  at
• 47:31
  one
• 47:31
  point,
• 47:32
  I
• 47:32
  just
• 47:32
  had
• 47:32
  to
• 47:32
  put
• 47:32
  my
• 47:32
  stethoscope
• 47:33
  around
• 47:33
  my
• 47:33
  neck
• 47:34
  kind
• 47:34
  of
• 47:34
  like
• 47:34
  a
• 47:34
  doctor
• 47:34
  would.
• 47:35
  And
• 47:35
  an
• 47:35
  actual
• 47:36
  doctor
• 47:36
  walked
• 47:36
  in
• 47:36
  and
• 47:37
  said,
• 47:37
  oh,
• 47:37
  I'm
• 47:37
  sorry.
• 47:37
  I
• 47:38
  thought
• 47:38
  the
• 47:38
  music
• 47:38
  therapist
• 47:39
  was
• 47:39
  in
• 47:39
  here
• 47:41
  and
• 47:41
  I
• 47:41
  was
• 47:41
  like,
• 47:41
  I
• 47:41
  am,
• 47:42
  I
• 47:42
  am.
• 47:43
  And
• 47:43
  she's
• 47:43
  looking
• 47:44
  at
• 47:44
  me
• 47:44
  and
• 47:44
  she's
• 47:44
  looking
• 47:44
  at
• 47:45
  the
• 47:45
  stethoscope.
• 47:45
  I
• 47:46
  said,
• 47:46
  I'll
• 47:46
  explain
• 47:46
  later,
• 47:47
  just
• 47:47
  let
• 47:48
  me
• 47:48
  finish
• 47:48
  up
• 47:48
  here.
• 47:49
  That's
• 47:49
  funny.
• 47:50
  I
• 47:50
  wonder
• 47:50
  if
• 47:51
  you
• 47:51
  put
• 47:51
  it
• 47:51
  on
• 47:52
  someone's
• 47:52
  stomach
• 47:52
  if
• 47:53
  you'll
• 47:53
  get
• 47:53
  all
• 47:53
  the.
• 47:53
  Those
• 47:54
  gurgle
• 47:55
  sounds.
• 47:55
  Yeah,
• 47:56
  sure
• 47:56
  will.
• 47:57
  I've
• 47:57
  tried
• 47:58
  that
• 47:58
  too.
• 47:58
  Yes,
• 47:58
  that
• 47:58
  could
• 47:58
  be
• 47:59
  fun.
• 47:59
  Make
• 47:59
  dubstep
• 47:59
  out
• 48:00
  of
• 48:00
  it.
• 48:00
  Totally,
• 48:01
  totally.
• 48:04
  Just
• 48:04
  on
• 48:04
  your
• 48:05
  process
• 48:05
  with
• 48:05
  the
• 48:05
  stethoscope.
• 48:07
  So,
• 48:08
  two
• 48:08
  questions,
• 48:08
  actually.
• 48:08
  I
• 48:09
  want
• 48:09
  to
• 48:09
  know
• 48:09
  a
• 48:09
  little
• 48:09
  bit
• 48:09
  about
• 48:10
  your
• 48:10
  recording
• 48:10
  process
• 48:11
  after
• 48:11
  you
• 48:11
  take
• 48:11
  the
• 48:12
  heartbeat.
• 48:13
  Like
• 48:13
  just
• 48:13
  what
• 48:13
  you
• 48:13
  use
• 48:14
  software
• 48:14
  wise
• 48:14
  or
• 48:15
  instrument
• 48:15
  wise
• 48:15
  to
• 48:15
  put
• 48:16
  a
• 48:16
  song
• 48:16
  together.
• 48:16
  Yeah.
• 48:17
  But
• 48:17
  also
• 48:17
  another
• 48:18
  thing
• 48:18
  that
• 48:18
  just
• 48:18
  occurred
• 48:19
  to
• 48:19
  me
• 48:19
  because
• 48:19
  heart
• 48:19
  rates
• 48:20
  probably
• 48:21
  aren't
• 48:22
  steady
• 48:22
  or
• 48:22
  constant
• 48:23
  at
• 48:23
  whatever
• 48:23
  60
• 48:24
  bpm.
• 48:24
  I'm
• 48:24
  sure
• 48:25
  they
• 48:25
  fluctuate
• 48:25
  a
• 48:25
  bit.
• 48:26
  Are
• 48:26
  you
• 48:27
  taking
• 48:27
  like,
• 48:29
  are
• 48:29
  you
• 48:29
  going
• 48:29
  to
• 48:30
  manipulate
• 48:30
  the
• 48:30
  heart
• 48:31
  beat
• 48:31
  or
• 48:32
  the
• 48:32
  bpm,
• 48:32
  or
• 48:32
  do
• 48:33
  you
• 48:33
  just
• 48:33
  use
• 48:33
  whatever
• 48:33
  it
• 48:34
  is
• 48:34
  and
• 48:34
  kind
• 48:34
  of
• 48:34
  flow
• 48:35
  freely
• 48:35
  to,
• 48:36
  you
• 48:36
  know,
• 48:36
  the
• 48:37
  fluctuation
• 48:37
  in
• 48:37
  the
• 48:37
  heartbeat?
• 48:39
  So
• 48:39
  both
• 48:39
  are
• 48:39
  absolutely
• 48:40
  possible.
• 48:40
  And
• 48:41
  what
• 48:41
  I
• 48:42
  have
• 48:42
  started
• 48:43
  to
• 48:43
  play
• 48:43
  around
• 48:43
  with,
• 48:43
  I'm
• 48:44
  certainly
• 48:44
  still
• 48:44
  learning.
• 48:45
  I
• 48:45
  will
• 48:45
  say
• 48:45
  that
• 48:45
  is
• 48:46
  taking
• 48:46
  one
• 48:47
  clip
• 48:47
  that's
• 48:47
  really
• 48:47
  steady
• 48:48
  and
• 48:48
  looping
• 48:48
  that
• 48:49
  so
• 48:49
  then
• 48:49
  that
• 48:50
  becomes
• 48:50
  the
• 48:50
  track.
• 48:50
  So
• 48:50
  it's
• 48:51
  very
• 48:51
  steady
• 48:51
  and
• 48:52
  then
• 48:52
  matching
• 48:52
  any
• 48:53
  kind
• 48:53
  of
• 48:53
  musical
• 48:53
  recording
• 48:54
  to
• 48:54
  that.
• 48:55
  So
• 48:55
  that's
• 48:56
  been
• 48:56
  sort
• 48:56
  of
• 48:56
  my
• 48:56
  strategy,
• 48:57
  as
• 48:57
  advised
• 48:57
  by
• 48:58
  other
• 48:58
  colleagues
• 48:59
  who
• 48:59
  have
• 48:59
  done
• 48:59
  this
• 48:59
  work
• 49:00
  in
• 49:00
  the
• 49:00
  States.
• 49:00
  They're
• 49:00
  like,
• 49:01
  just
• 49:01
  take
• 49:01
  a
• 49:01
  clip
• 49:01
  that's
• 49:01
  really
• 49:02
  steady
• 49:02
  and
• 49:02
  loop
• 49:02
  that.
• 49:04
  And
• 49:04
  so
• 49:04
  what's
• 49:04
  really
• 49:05
  cool
• 49:05
  is
• 49:05
  I
• 49:05
  can
• 49:05
  use,
• 49:05
  I
• 49:06
  have
• 49:06
  a
• 49:06
  little
• 49:06
  handheld
• 49:06
  zoom
• 49:07
  recorder.
• 49:08
  I
• 49:08
  can
• 49:08
  do
• 49:08
  it
• 49:08
  right
• 49:09
  in
• 49:09
  the
• 49:09
  room.
• 49:09
  If
• 49:09
  I'm
• 49:10
  amplifying
• 49:10
  the
• 49:10
  heartbeat
• 49:11
  through
• 49:11
  my
• 49:11
  phone,
• 49:12
  I
• 49:12
  can
• 49:12
  record
• 49:12
  right
• 49:12
  in
• 49:13
  the
• 49:13
  room
• 49:14
  and
• 49:14
  just
• 49:14
  use
• 49:15
  that
• 49:15
  track.
• 49:16
  And
• 49:17
  that's
• 49:17
  been
• 49:17
  how
• 49:18
  I've
• 49:18
  been
• 49:18
  doing
• 49:18
  it
• 49:19
  most
• 49:19
  recently.
• 49:19
  But
• 49:19
  GarageBand,
• 49:20
  you
• 49:20
  just
• 49:21
  input
• 49:21
  the
• 49:21
  track
• 49:21
  right
• 49:22
  in
• 49:22
  there
• 49:22
  and
• 49:22
  it's
• 49:23
  super
• 49:23
  easy
• 49:23
  to
• 49:23
  play
• 49:24
  around
• 49:24
  with
• 49:24
  it,
• 49:24
  loop
• 49:24
  it,
• 49:25
  amplify
• 49:25
  it,
• 49:26
  and
• 49:27
  then
• 49:27
  I'll
• 49:28
  use
• 49:28
  my
• 49:28
  handy
• 49:29
  handheld
• 49:29
  recorder
• 49:29
  if
• 49:30
  I
• 49:30
  need
• 49:30
  to.
• 49:31
  So
• 49:31
  again,
• 49:31
  I'm
• 49:31
  just.
• 49:32
  I'm
• 49:32
  playing
• 49:32
  around
• 49:33
  with
• 49:33
  different
• 49:33
  things.
• 49:33
  What
• 49:34
  I
• 49:34
  find
• 49:34
  is
• 49:34
  the
• 49:34
  most
• 49:34
  powerful
• 49:35
  moment,
• 49:35
  interestingly
• 49:36
  enough,
• 49:36
  is
• 49:36
  when
• 49:36
  the
• 49:36
  patient
• 49:37
  hears
• 49:37
  their
• 49:38
  heartbeat
• 49:38
  amplified.
• 49:39
  They're
• 49:39
  like,
• 49:39
  oh,
• 49:39
  that's
• 49:40
  me.
• 49:40
  That's
• 49:40
  my
• 49:40
  life
• 49:41
  force.
• 49:41
  Yeah,
• 49:41
  yeah,
• 49:42
  yeah.
• 49:42
  I
• 49:43
  wonder
• 49:43
  if
• 49:43
  Matt
• 49:43
  has
• 49:43
  any
• 49:43
  ideas
• 49:44
  as
• 49:44
  far
• 49:44
  as
• 49:44
  just
• 49:45
  the
• 49:45
  recording
• 49:45
  process
• 49:46
  or.
• 49:49
  Yeah,
• 49:49
  I
• 49:50
  can
• 49:50
  think
• 49:50
  of
• 49:51
  Thousands.
• 49:51
  You're
• 49:52
  using
• 49:52
  GarageBand,
• 49:53
  you
• 49:53
  said,
• 49:53
  right.
• 49:53
  Well,
• 49:54
  logic
• 49:55
  also
• 49:55
  works
• 49:55
  really
• 49:56
  well
• 49:56
  and
• 49:56
  it's
• 49:56
  a
• 49:56
  little
• 49:56
  better.
• 49:57
  So
• 49:57
  sometimes
• 49:58
  I'll
• 49:58
  use
• 49:58
  that.
• 49:58
  But.
• 49:59
  Well,
• 49:59
  there's
• 50:00
  a
• 50:00
  lot
• 50:00
  of
• 50:02
  tools
• 50:03
  that
• 50:03
  creators
• 50:04
  like
• 50:04
  to
• 50:04
  use,
• 50:05
  especially
• 50:05
  in
• 50:05
  electronic
• 50:06
  music,
• 50:06
  but
• 50:06
  I've
• 50:06
  used
• 50:07
  them
• 50:07
  as
• 50:07
  well
• 50:07
  in
• 50:08
  rock
• 50:08
  stuff
• 50:10
  where
• 50:10
  you
• 50:11
  can
• 50:11
  take.
• 50:13
  Where
• 50:13
  you
• 50:13
  can
• 50:13
  take
• 50:13
  a
• 50:13
  recording,
• 50:14
  like
• 50:14
  a
• 50:14
  wavetable
• 50:15
  synthesizer,
• 50:15
  for
• 50:16
  example,
• 50:16
  where
• 50:17
  the
• 50:18
  kernel
• 50:18
  of
• 50:19
  sound
• 50:19
  that
• 50:19
  you
• 50:20
  then
• 50:20
  work
• 50:20
  out
• 50:21
  of,
• 50:21
  usually
• 50:21
  it's
• 50:21
  an
• 50:22
  oscillator.
• 50:22
  So
• 50:22
  just
• 50:23
  imagine
• 50:23
  a
• 50:23
  synthesizer
• 50:24
  plays
• 50:24
  a
• 50:24
  note,
• 50:25
  and
• 50:25
  then
• 50:26
  you
• 50:26
  modify
• 50:26
  that
• 50:27
  note
• 50:27
  and
• 50:27
  do
• 50:27
  stuff
• 50:27
  to
• 50:27
  it.
• 50:28
  So
• 50:28
  what
• 50:28
  if
• 50:28
  that
• 50:28
  note
• 50:29
  was
• 50:29
  actually
• 50:29
  a
• 50:29
  sample
• 50:30
  that
• 50:30
  you
• 50:30
  recorded?
• 50:31
  So
• 50:31
  there's
• 50:31
  wave
• 50:32
  table
• 50:32
  synthesis,
• 50:33
  there's
• 50:33
  granular
• 50:34
  synthesis,
• 50:34
  and
• 50:34
  there's
• 50:34
  all
• 50:35
  kinds
• 50:35
  of
• 50:35
  stuff
• 50:35
  that
• 50:35
  you
• 50:35
  can
• 50:36
  do
• 50:36
  where
• 50:37
  you
• 50:37
  are
• 50:38
  synthesizing
• 50:38
  sound,
• 50:39
  but
• 50:39
  it
• 50:40
  starts
• 50:40
  with
• 50:41
  an
• 50:41
  actual
• 50:41
  recording
• 50:42
  of
• 50:42
  your
• 50:43
  choosing.
• 50:44
  Very
• 50:45
  cool.
• 50:45
  So
• 50:46
  that
• 50:46
  could
• 50:46
  be
• 50:46
  fun.
• 50:46
  Very
• 50:47
  cool.
• 50:47
  I
• 50:48
  am
• 50:48
  so
• 50:48
  open
• 50:49
  to
• 50:49
  any
• 50:49
  and
• 50:49
  all
• 50:50
  advice
• 50:50
  or
• 50:51
  ideas.
• 50:52
  My
• 50:52
  husband's
• 50:52
  really
• 50:52
  the
• 50:53
  audio
• 50:53
  guy
• 50:53
  in
• 50:53
  the
• 50:54
  house,
• 50:54
  so
• 50:54
  sometimes
• 50:54
  I'm
• 50:54
  like,
• 50:55
  hey,
• 50:55
  can
• 50:55
  I
• 50:55
  just.
• 50:55
  Can
• 50:55
  you
• 50:56
  just.
• 50:56
  Can
• 50:56
  you
• 50:56
  just
• 50:56
  help
• 50:57
  me?
• 50:57
  He
• 50:58
  knows
• 50:58
  what
• 50:58
  he's
• 50:58
  doing
• 50:58
  way
• 50:59
  more
• 50:59
  than
• 50:59
  I
• 50:59
  do,
• 50:59
  so
• 50:59
  thank
• 51:00
  you
• 51:00
  for
• 51:00
  that.
• 51:00
  Like,
• 51:00
  I'm
• 51:01
  really
• 51:01
  open
• 51:01
  to
• 51:01
  hearing
• 51:02
  because
• 51:02
  this
• 51:02
  is
• 51:03
  a
• 51:03
  new
• 51:03
  world
• 51:04
  for
• 51:04
  me,
• 51:05
  but
• 51:05
  an
• 51:05
  exciting
• 51:06
  one.
• 51:06
  Yeah.
• 51:06
  Well,
• 51:07
  if
• 51:07
  we
• 51:07
  could
• 51:07
  help
• 51:07
  in
• 51:07
  any
• 51:07
  way,
• 51:08
  just
• 51:08
  please
• 51:08
  let
• 51:08
  us
• 51:08
  know.
• 51:09
  Absolutely.
• 51:09
  And
• 51:09
  we'll
• 51:10
  do
• 51:10
  whatever
• 51:10
  we
• 51:10
  can.
• 51:10
  Thank
• 51:11
  you.
• 51:11
  We
• 51:12
  definitely
• 51:12
  have
• 51:12
  to
• 51:12
  let
• 51:12
  you
• 51:12
  run.
• 51:13
  We
• 51:13
  know
• 51:13
  we've
• 51:13
  had
• 51:13
  you
• 51:14
  for
• 51:14
  a
• 51:14
  little
• 51:14
  while
• 51:14
  here,
• 51:14
  but
• 51:14
  can
• 51:15
  you
• 51:16
  let
• 51:16
  us
• 51:16
  know
• 51:17
  what
• 51:17
  kind
• 51:17
  of
• 51:17
  future
• 51:17
  plans
• 51:18
  you
• 51:18
  have
• 51:18
  for
• 51:19
  the
• 51:19
  program
• 51:19
  and
• 51:19
  also
• 51:20
  just
• 51:20
  let
• 51:20
  people
• 51:20
  know
• 51:21
  where
• 51:21
  to
• 51:21
  find
• 51:21
  you
• 51:21
  and
• 51:21
  what
• 51:22
  ways
• 51:22
  they
• 51:22
  can
• 51:22
  support
• 51:23
  what
• 51:23
  you're
• 51:23
  doing?
• 51:24
  Thanks
• 51:25
  for
• 51:25
  that.
• 51:25
  It's
• 51:25
  been
• 51:25
  such
• 51:26
  a
• 51:26
  delight
• 51:26
  to
• 51:26
  hang
• 51:26
  out
• 51:27
  with
• 51:27
  the
• 51:27
  three
• 51:27
  of
• 51:27
  you
• 51:27
  and
• 51:28
  chat
• 51:28
  about
• 51:28
  the
• 51:28
  work.
• 51:29
  So,
• 51:29
  future
• 51:30
  plans.
• 51:30
  There's
• 51:32
  more
• 51:32
  and
• 51:32
  more
• 51:32
  exciting
• 51:33
  research
• 51:33
  projects
• 51:34
  that
• 51:34
  I'm
• 51:34
  getting
• 51:34
  to
• 51:34
  tap
• 51:34
  into.
• 51:36
  I'm
• 51:37
  really
• 51:37
  looking
• 51:37
  forward
• 51:37
  to
• 51:37
  expanding
• 51:38
  the
• 51:38
  ones
• 51:38
  I'm
• 51:38
  currently
• 51:38
  doing,
• 51:39
  especially
• 51:39
  with
• 51:40
  young
• 51:40
  adults
• 51:40
  and
• 51:40
  learning
• 51:41
  about
• 51:41
  their
• 51:41
  experiences,
• 51:43
  continuing
• 51:43
  to
• 51:44
  grow
• 51:44
  the
• 51:44
  program
• 51:45
  and
• 51:45
  having
• 51:45
  more
• 51:45
  students
• 51:46
  publishing,
• 51:47
  more
• 51:47
  writing,
• 51:48
  more
• 51:49
  using
• 51:50
  technology,
• 51:51
  more
• 51:51
  in
• 51:51
  an
• 51:51
  intentional
• 51:52
  way.
• 51:52
  I
• 51:53
  have
• 51:53
  a
• 51:53
  lot
• 51:53
  of
• 51:53
  learning
• 51:53
  to
• 51:54
  do.
• 51:55
  Personally,
• 51:55
  I'm
• 51:55
  excited
• 51:56
  to
• 51:57
  just
• 51:58
  open
• 51:58
  up
• 51:58
  a
• 51:58
  skill
• 51:59
  set
• 51:59
  on
• 51:59
  guitar,
• 52:00
  which
• 52:00
  is
• 52:00
  a
• 52:00
  little
• 52:00
  bit
• 52:00
  newer
• 52:01
  for
• 52:01
  me.
• 52:01
  I
• 52:01
  don't
• 52:01
  use
• 52:02
  it
• 52:02
  as
• 52:02
  much
• 52:02
  as
• 52:02
  my
• 52:03
  students
• 52:04
  do.
• 52:05
  And
• 52:05
  some
• 52:05
  other
• 52:06
  instruments
• 52:06
  that
• 52:06
  I've
• 52:07
  acquired
• 52:07
  that
• 52:07
  I'm
• 52:07
  excited
• 52:08
  to
• 52:08
  learn
• 52:08
  more
• 52:08
  about.
• 52:09
  And
• 52:11
  as
• 52:11
  things
• 52:12
  start
• 52:12
  to
• 52:12
  come
• 52:12
  back
• 52:12
  in
• 52:13
  person,
• 52:13
  giving
• 52:14
  more
• 52:14
  talks
• 52:14
  as
• 52:15
  I
• 52:15
  love
• 52:15
  to
• 52:15
  do,
• 52:15
  giving
• 52:16
  more
• 52:16
  presentations
• 52:16
  on
• 52:17
  music
• 52:17
  therapy,
• 52:18
  not
• 52:18
  just
• 52:18
  in
• 52:19
  the
• 52:19
  hospital,
• 52:19
  but
• 52:19
  outside.
• 52:20
  And
• 52:20
  I
• 52:20
  love
• 52:21
  doing
• 52:21
  that.
• 52:22
  And
• 52:22
  as
• 52:22
  far
• 52:22
  as
• 52:23
  giving
• 52:23
  me
• 52:23
  a
• 52:24
  shout,
• 52:25
  I
• 52:25
  will
• 52:26
  acknowledge
• 52:27
  Pulse
• 52:27
  Music
• 52:27
  Media,
• 52:28
  which
• 52:28
  is
• 52:28
  the
• 52:28
  umbrella
• 52:29
  under
• 52:29
  which
• 52:30
  my
• 52:30
  husband
• 52:31
  Andrew
• 52:31
  and
• 52:31
  I
• 52:32
  share
• 52:32
  music
• 52:33
  therapy
• 52:33
  stories
• 52:34
  and
• 52:34
  share
• 52:34
  live
• 52:35
  performances
• 52:36
  and
• 52:36
  we
• 52:36
  are
• 52:36
  on
• 52:37
  all
• 52:37
  different
• 52:37
  platforms
• 52:39
  but
• 52:39
  you
• 52:39
  can
• 52:39
  find
• 52:40
  us
• 52:40
  on
• 52:40
  Instagram
• 52:41
  and
• 52:41
  YouTube
• 52:42
  and
• 52:42
  TikTok
• 52:43
  telling
• 52:43
  all
• 52:43
  kinds
• 52:43
  of
• 52:43
  stories
• 52:44
  and
• 52:44
  performing
• 52:44
  together.
• 52:45
  Amazing.
• 52:46
  Thank
• 52:46
  you
• 52:46
  so
• 52:46
  much.
• 52:47
  We
• 52:47
  really
• 52:47
  appreciate
• 52:48
  all
• 52:49
  of
• 52:49
  the
• 52:49
  work
• 52:49
  that
• 52:49
  you
• 52:49
  do
• 52:50
  and
• 52:50
  the
• 52:50
  fact
• 52:50
  that
• 52:51
  you
• 52:51
  are
• 52:51
  willing
• 52:52
  to
• 52:52
  come
• 52:52
  back
• 52:52
  and
• 52:52
  talk
• 52:52
  to
• 52:53
  us
• 52:53
  some
• 52:53
  more.
• 52:53
  So
• 52:54
  thank
• 52:54
  you
• 52:54
  so
• 52:54
  much.
• 52:55
  Thank
• 52:55
  you
• 52:55
  for
• 52:55
  the
• 52:55
  support.
• 52:56
  It
• 52:56
  means
• 52:56
  the
• 52:56
  world
• 52:56
  to
• 52:57
  me.
• 52:57
  Of
• 52:57
  course
• 52:57
  we'll
• 52:57
  see
• 52:58
  you
• 52:58
  next
• 52:58
  year
• 52:58
  same
• 52:58
  time.
• 52:59
  Sounds
• 52:59
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