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112 Polish Skeptic Turned Mystic? Aleksander Czeszkiewicz on Déjà Vu, Premonitions & Lost Civilizations · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the I Jupiter Podcast. This is episode
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  Speaker 1: of one hundred and twelve with mister Alexander Tchskovic. He's
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  Speaker 1: a researcher, he's an author. He's a gentleman from Poland,
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  Speaker 1: very young man, very well read, very interesting, very intelligent.
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  Speaker 1: It was just an incredible interview. We got into some
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite things, which is like hidden history or
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  Speaker 1: lost history, and how somehow the academia still kind of
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  Speaker 1: puts up these roadblocks to all the new information that's
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  Speaker 1: coming out, you know, places like go Beckley Teppe or
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  Speaker 1: whether it be Robert Shock and the Sphinx Enclosure, just
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  Speaker 1: many things that academia just you know, wants to hide
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  Speaker 1: because you know, it goes into their pocket. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we have written these books, therefore they have to be true.
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  Speaker 1: So we kind of went through some of that and
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  Speaker 1: we kind of cut out all that, and we also
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  Speaker 1: get into like deja vu, and we get into what
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  Speaker 1: maybe what it could possibly be according to alex and uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're kind of teased and pulled that apart. Very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to reach out to me too, please
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  Speaker 1: do me a favorite at the Igebrata podcast at gmail
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  Speaker 1: dot com. I will have you on the show and
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about whatever it is. You know, cryptis, paranormal,
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  Speaker 1: lost history, UFOs, you know all the above. It's been
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  Speaker 1: very interesting, uh so far. I just recently quit smoking.
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  Speaker 1: Cross your fingers out there for me. I'm going my
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  Speaker 1: very best. I'm a gum chewing machine right now and
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  Speaker 1: trying to stay very active, so I don't think about
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  Speaker 1: smoking anyway. Enjoin his interview with Alex Sanderchiskovic.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's my pleasure. Thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: h for accepting my invitation. My friend.
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  Speaker 2: Know, we will enjoy you know, our conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I love such podcasts, so yeah, it's gonna be it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. Man. So I actually
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  Speaker 1: have a couple students in Poland. I'm an English teacher
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  Speaker 1: and one of my students is actually coming. She's here.
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  Speaker 1: She just landed in the Yucatan Peninsula, Mexico, and if
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  Speaker 1: I'm lucky, I'll meet up with her tomorrow and we'll
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  Speaker 1: have a cup of coffee. So she's excited about the
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  Speaker 1: weather because we're currently at about twenty eight degrees celsia
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  Speaker 1: is not the same and you're part of the world,
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  Speaker 1: is it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had minus twenty recently. Right now it's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit better like zero minus five, but still you know,
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  Speaker 2: winter going on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, i lived in Germany for twenty years,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm working on my third language, Spanish. I still
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  Speaker 1: stink at it, but we'll get there. Nonetheless, alex please
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  Speaker 1: tell everybody introduce yourself. Tell people a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: yourself and the reason why you're coming on today to
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  Speaker 1: talk to me.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Alexander Tishkevitch, and I may research an author
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  Speaker 2: from Poland. Right now. I'm also student at my local
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  Speaker 2: university here in dance Can. I study history, but with
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  Speaker 2: a broader personal specialization in the ancient Middle East, including
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  Speaker 2: languages and religions, and very soon I will start learning
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  Speaker 2: ancient Hebrew Greek. So I'm very excited about that. My
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  Speaker 2: book is deja vu has everything already been? I'm twenty
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  Speaker 2: three years old right now, and I wrote this book
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  Speaker 2: when I was just seventeen. So but it's not like
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  Speaker 2: teenage crap or something. It's like four hundred plus pages
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  Speaker 2: book with you know, footnotes, bibliography, you know everything. So
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  Speaker 2: this is my book in English, and I'm interested in
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  Speaker 2: all the biggest mysteries of the entire reality entail universe.
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  Speaker 2: But I would say my main idea, you know, with
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  Speaker 2: the book and with the past, would be lost history
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  Speaker 2: of humanity, but only history.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so your your language is going to be would
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  Speaker 1: you say, was Sanskrit or inter Hebrew? Is that which one?
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  Speaker 1: Did you say?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I will be you know, I'm into this program
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  Speaker 2: and I will start learning ancient Hebrew and ancient Greek.
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  Speaker 2: I already started a bit of Latin, but only like
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  Speaker 2: for a month or something.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Man, I mean you have similar interest that I have.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, so German people who watch show us speak German.
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting prod about fifty sixty percent in on Spanish
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  Speaker 1: and one after that. For me, it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: my end. So you oo, So I want to know
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  Speaker 1: they call this the Old World, and the excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: they call where you're from the old world and hear
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  Speaker 1: the New World. But due to reaching recent like findings,
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  Speaker 1: especially with light ar and you know, the destruction of
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  Speaker 1: the rainforest and things of that nature, this actually might
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  Speaker 1: be the Old World. And I'm really I'm really like hyped.
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  Speaker 1: I checked out your channel. Could you tell people what
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  Speaker 1: the name of your channel is and what they can
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  Speaker 1: find over there.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is why it would be just a
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  Speaker 2: copy paste my name and surname and wherever you find
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  Speaker 2: me in English, you know it's me on plenty also
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  Speaker 2: of other podcast interviews. I also have Polish social media,
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  Speaker 2: so look where it's in English. So just copy and
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  Speaker 2: paste my Nerman surname Alexandro Tishkevitch. In my book is
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  Speaker 2: Deja Vu has everything already been? And it's on Amazon
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  Speaker 2: like US, UK, Canada, Australia and a few more.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome man, I just subscribed to you're far away from
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  Speaker 1: greeching that one thousand gold man career. I know your
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  Speaker 1: other channel, your Polish channel is like much larger, that's
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  Speaker 1: something like thirteen thousand. I think I saw congratulations to
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  Speaker 1: you being a podcast for myself or a person who
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  Speaker 1: does a channel. I know how hard it is to
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  Speaker 1: get there. So tell me a little bit about your book.
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  Speaker 1: Dejah view is a very interesting subject to get into
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  Speaker 1: because I think in one way or another, we have
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  Speaker 1: all experienced it and I would like to know what
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  Speaker 1: you have to say about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, my book dejas Surfing already been. The title is
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  Speaker 2: about cyclicality of history, of loss civilizations and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: But I would say that seventy percent of the book
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  Speaker 2: is about lost history and the rest twenty five thirty
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  Speaker 2: percent is about you know, it's connection to the physical
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  Speaker 2: cosmic cycles of time, and further, you know, with spirituality metaphysics,
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  Speaker 2: how it's all tied together. So it's mostly about that.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not whether in my book or in podcasts
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  Speaker 2: like this or in my YouTube videos, I'm not forcing anyone,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you need to believe in Atlantis and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that. I what I'm doing in my book, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, with everything I'm doing, I'm just showing possibilities
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  Speaker 2: that there is much more for us to know about
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  Speaker 2: our past, and what we know is just a tip
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  Speaker 2: of the iceberg, like maybe three maybe five percent when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to our past. And it's very interesting because
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  Speaker 2: I only started studying recently last year, and I remember
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  Speaker 2: I was shocked when I you know, went again because
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  Speaker 2: of course I started with you know, within the mainstream paradigm.
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  Speaker 2: Then I went further into you know, the unknown, into
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  Speaker 2: the alternative conspiracy theory stuff, and you know, then for
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  Speaker 2: many years I've been in these you know, plays and
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  Speaker 2: right now. I came back to the academic stuff, and
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  Speaker 2: I was shocked to learn that, you know, everything in
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  Speaker 2: the academy is changing. That what I've been talking about
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  Speaker 2: for the last five years about that our history may
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  Speaker 2: be older, there may have been lot of civilizations, this
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  Speaker 2: kind of ideas, despite all of the debunkers on the
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  Speaker 2: internet telling us that it's not true or something like that, No,
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  Speaker 2: they do not represent the latest academic stuff. And we
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  Speaker 2: are even within the mainstream part. I'm pushing the roots
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  Speaker 2: of both anatomicimodal humans but also civilization back and back
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  Speaker 2: by thousands or even in some resist tens of thousands
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  Speaker 2: of years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's so interesting. The monolith known as like, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, academia is being torn apart brick by brick
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  Speaker 1: for good cause, because science is the newest thing and
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  Speaker 1: you have to be able to present and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: test against it's the theory itself. You know, there's no
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  Speaker 1: such thing as like, you know, the scientific consensus that
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  Speaker 1: that word doesn't exist. And all you have to do
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  Speaker 1: is look at like, you know, just Egyptology and realize
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  Speaker 1: that if you go there you can't even do any
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  Speaker 1: type of scientific like measurements or anything you have to say.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a tourist and I'm just here looking at it
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  Speaker 1: because it's pretty and take your pictures. But that's being
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  Speaker 1: torn apart from people like yourself, people that I love,
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  Speaker 1: like Graham Hancock, A big fan of Graham Hancock. You probably,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, Randall Carlson
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  Speaker 1: and his younger dryist, his studying on that in the
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  Speaker 1: large you know, the things that he's found in the
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  Speaker 1: bad bad the bad Lands, some of it too, most
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  Speaker 1: the Scotlands, thank you, thank you, sir, and all those things.
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  Speaker 1: I'm completely interested. And if deja vous was just part
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  Speaker 1: of that, and we're going to go into ancient history,
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  Speaker 1: then you got my ear, buddy. So where did it
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  Speaker 1: begin for you? How did you? What is it? You're
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  Speaker 1: just you're a younger gentleman, twenty three years old. That name.
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  Speaker 1: I could probably be your dad, Yeah, I could be
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  Speaker 1: your dad. And where did it start for you?
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 1: How did you get interested in this? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: My story is very interesting because sparallel to research on
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  Speaker 2: lost history civilizations and stuff like that, alternative conspiracy theories.
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  Speaker 2: Sparal to that, I would say I had my own
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  Speaker 2: spiritual awakening or you know, spiritual journey of some sorts.
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  Speaker 2: It started very early, I would say, you know, even
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  Speaker 2: before that, when I was a little kid, I always
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  Speaker 2: was fascinated by you know, history, by science. You know.
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  Speaker 2: My dad loved watching documentaries on TV. My mum was
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  Speaker 2: a history and I had plenty of books at home,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, I was skimming through them, you know
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  Speaker 2: what was interesting to me. Also here in Poland we
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  Speaker 2: have plenty of you know, medieval architecture everywhere, plenty of castles,
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  Speaker 2: so I was visiting it as a kid. So maybe
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  Speaker 2: that's why I was a little bit always fascinated into that.
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  Speaker 2: But the biggest shift came during my middle high school.
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  Speaker 2: So when I was about fifteen, sixteen years old probably,
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  Speaker 2: and here we had away from an education in Poland,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, they were completely dismantling the idea of
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  Speaker 2: middle high school. And you know they get that from
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  Speaker 2: primary school you could you would go later immediately into
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  Speaker 2: high school. And I was the last year of the
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  Speaker 2: middle high school, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was very very hard
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  Speaker 3: to get to high school because there were double the
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  Speaker 3: people because also the primary school people were going there.
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  Speaker 2: And I was always a good students, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't care much about you know, I was always passing
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  Speaker 2: all the tests. But I thought to myself that the
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  Speaker 2: easiest route for me that would completely even you know,
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  Speaker 2: let me not learn other subjects that are not interesting
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  Speaker 2: to me, would be to go into competitions. Because there
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  Speaker 2: were the whole district of Poland competitions, and if you
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  Speaker 2: got a high rank in this competition, you could, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just just any kind of high school you want here
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  Speaker 2: in Poland. And I went to that petition. What do
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  Speaker 2: you mean by competition competition contest? I went into historical
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  Speaker 2: also like English one in the middle high school.
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  Speaker 1: So you mean like like debates or something.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, like exam competition you know.
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  Speaker 4: Oh okay, on a big level here of the district
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  Speaker 4: of Poland, and you know, and I passed it, of course,
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  Speaker 4: so I could just whatever high school I wanted to,
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  Speaker 4: so I was not carrying.
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  Speaker 2: Any more about any other subject. So this is the
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  Speaker 2: basic of the story. But you know, it was doing
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  Speaker 2: that because the biggest one was the historical competition, and
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  Speaker 2: for that I needed to learn from much you know,
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  Speaker 2: higher levels than of course the middle high school, even
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  Speaker 2: from academic textbooks, and I had to learn you know,
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  Speaker 2: not like particular period of our history, but from the
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  Speaker 2: home in its pre history millions of years ago up
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  Speaker 2: until nineteen fifties, nineteen eighties, and stuff like that. And
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  Speaker 2: it was during that time when I was learning that
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  Speaker 2: that I started asking basic questions, how do we know that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this entire bautiful picture of evolution is true?
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  Speaker 2: How do we know that our past happened in this
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  Speaker 2: particular way? How we know that, okay, we evolved from
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  Speaker 2: this to that? How do we know that these were
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  Speaker 2: the first civilizations?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: How do we know that there? How why we don't
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  Speaker 2: know any previous civilizations? You know, is it completely you
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  Speaker 2: know closed case that you know, there weren't any civilizations before.
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  Speaker 2: And it was during this time, you know, I was
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  Speaker 2: researching a lot, digging deeper and deeper, and I thought
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  Speaker 2: to myself, if you know, I'm being ignored within the
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  Speaker 2: you know, casual sources, you know, the mainstream with my
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  Speaker 2: questions and oh, it's just you know, stupid people asking
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  Speaker 2: his questions to those science and stuff like that. I
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  Speaker 2: thought to myself, what our ancient ancestores even you know,
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  Speaker 2: two three thousand years ago or before that we're telling
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  Speaker 2: about the history. They were much closer to these time,
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  Speaker 2: so maybe they knew something that we nowadays in you know,
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  Speaker 2: twenty first century did not know about. So I then that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, into Subrian kings, liss Atlantis of Plato, you know,
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  Speaker 2: hismys and critias and stuff like that. And it was
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  Speaker 2: there that I, you know, started going beyond just the
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  Speaker 2: mainstream narrative and into the alternative history. So this was
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  Speaker 2: my journey. That's why I wrote this book first in
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  Speaker 2: publish when I was just seventeen. Then I needed to
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  Speaker 2: wait legally to be eighteen to publish it because you know,
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  Speaker 2: eighteen is the legal age here in Poland. And then
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  Speaker 2: at the age of nineteen, I translated it myself into
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  Speaker 2: English and right now I'm in the process of translation
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  Speaker 2: a book, but the other way around, from English to
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  Speaker 2: Polish of my friend about Atlantis, of my friend author
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  Speaker 2: Michael Laflamso no interesting journey, yeah, and it was par
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  Speaker 2: to these things that I also had. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: always compared that you know, these research you know, logical
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  Speaker 2: you know, source analysis and science and stuff like that
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  Speaker 2: was the masculine part of everything. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: I had like the feminine part of the journey, like
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  Speaker 2: spiritual inner stuff, you know, dreams, you know, so a
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  Speaker 2: feminine part. At the same time, during exactly when I
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  Speaker 2: was like a teenager, maybe fifteen, sixteen years old, and
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  Speaker 2: I would say that before that I was mostly agnostic,
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  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit on the atheistic side, you know
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  Speaker 2: that evinced about you know, spirituality, religion and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: But it was, you know, during this time my research
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  Speaker 2: on my book. But it was no parallel to that
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  Speaker 2: that I started my spiritual journey spiritual experiences. It started
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  Speaker 2: with actually prophetic dreams, but prophetic not.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, I'm going to stop you
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  Speaker 1: right there. You can roll you you you you can roll, man.
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  Speaker 1: You got a rapid fire machine gun of of words
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  Speaker 1: and things of that nature. Let's go with the prophetic dreams.
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  Speaker 1: Go into these prophetic dreams. Tell me what you dreamt
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  Speaker 1: and what the symbolism in there was for you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So this was actually that's why I wanted to talk
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  Speaker 2: about because this, these prophetic dreamskicks started my spiritual inner
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  Speaker 2: journey to everything. Because as I said, I was a
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  Speaker 2: rassial person. I thought that Okay, maybe we are just
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: you know, as biology says, just machines that you know,
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  Speaker 2: biological machines at the at the you know, peak of
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  Speaker 2: the evolution and stuff like.
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  Speaker 1: That, materialistic science. Yeah I understand that, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and you know. And then I started having
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  Speaker 2: strange dreams, and I mean prophetic in the brackets, because
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  Speaker 2: these were not like, okay, these are the lotter earning numbers,
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  Speaker 2: or this will be your future wife or something.
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  Speaker 1: This is like like Jesus came down with like a
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  Speaker 1: loaf of bread and said, go ahead, make yourself a sandwich.
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  Speaker 1: It's something like within these dreams, like I'm basically one
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  Speaker 1: down the same path you did. Man Like like I
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  Speaker 1: I was, you know, when I was young, I was
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  Speaker 1: just kind of agnostic. And when I became like eighteen twenty,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, nah, dude, I'm atheistic. I started watching
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  Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Benton and Christopher Hitchins and all these
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  Speaker 1: you know, new atheists authors and actually read their books.
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  Speaker 1: And then I actually read, you know, Darwin's book, the
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  Speaker 1: eighteen fifty nine release of the Origin of Species. I've
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  Speaker 1: actually read that damn book because I wanted to know,
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  Speaker 1: what is it that we believe that we do believe
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  Speaker 1: is that what it is? Because most of the time,
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  Speaker 1: which you realize, especially in the world we live in now,
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  Speaker 1: people just reiterate or just regurgitate what they've heard, especially
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to academia. Now, all the communistic concepts
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  Speaker 1: that they like to throw in air instead of you know, individualism,
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  Speaker 1: they always talk about collectivism and things of that nature.
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  Speaker 1: And if you, as myself, stand out and say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it that way. I think it to
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  Speaker 1: be this way, or could we think about it that way,
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  Speaker 1: then they use words like gatekeeping, words like pseudoscience, alternative science,
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, and they do all that to try to
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  Speaker 1: disregard or to detegrate your point of view. And someone
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  Speaker 1: being as young as you are to now say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about all that, and then having these
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  Speaker 1: type of dreams is a very it's a very interesting
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  Speaker 1: sign of a spiritual awakening in you as well as
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  Speaker 1: you know, being you know, cognitively powerful. So yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: tell me, like about one of your dreams, the one
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  Speaker 1: that made you go, okay, something something's up.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, these were you know, maybe not one, but a
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  Speaker 2: set of crazy dreams. And I was still you know,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: doing heaving. During times that I had these dreams, I
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: was still no doubtful. I was rational, maybe these are
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: just projection of my subconscious mind and stuff like that.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: And these were again not big dreams, but the minor
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: and you know, most meniscal staff that could happen. So
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: for instance, I had a dream that you know, I
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: was in a particular set up, let's say, in a
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: specific place in my school, and I was talking to
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: my colleague or something, and you know, it was very vivid.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: So let's say we were in this direction, you know, pointed,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: standing and talking, and we were talking about, for instance,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: things that I couldn't know about before because for instance,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: something that we will you know, be learning month later
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: or two months later. We know something what was on
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the exam or something. And I initially thought that, okay,
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: it's strange, and you know, that's why DejaVu, because then
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: I realized when this thing happened, let's say month four,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: two ago, or in other cases it was from week
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: to week or in two week spans. This, you know,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: minor things happening, minor situations, nothing important. It was just
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: like synchronicity. I started having DJEV with that. Wait a
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: second it's exactly the same setup. It's exactly the same thing.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: And as I said, I was doubtful at the first.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's just you know, just my mind thought projected.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: You know, this idea as a conscious mind is of
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: course powerful, it could do that. But then with this information,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: for instance about the exam that we haven't even started,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: you know, talking about learning for you know, this was
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: beyond my any kind of comprehension. And the biggestastic yeah yeah,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: And the biggest one was meeting a person in my dream.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: And you know, this person was let's say, a relative
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: of a colleague like classroom friend that I didn't know
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: almost anything about, you know, just hey. And you know,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I didn't have any personal connection with this person. And
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I had a dream that this is relative of this person.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: And you know, this person was looking very specifically not
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: casual person, but you know, this was tall, personal, crazy,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: hert and stuff like that. And this person was you know,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: not even similar to the person I knew, because you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: maybe again subconsciously, I was projecting that that is the
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: image how relative of this person may look like, because
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: there are similar genes and stuff like that. But no,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: this person was looking completely different.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: And I understand, I understand, and I.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Remember once I met this person. You know, it was
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: also at school because we were signing something with our
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: relatives and I met this person. I wait, them, this
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: is exactly the same guy from my drom. I never
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: met him before, and you know, we were with parents
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: with relatives this event in our school, and I remember, okay,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: there was AQ for signing some documents or something, and
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I went, you know, back, you know, at him in
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the Q, you know, just after him in the que
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: and I remember when he was signing, it was this
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: you know person, you know, this surname of this person
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: that I knew, and I had this information in my dream,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: So information you know, beyond protot beyond you know, rational
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: understanding and information being given before in the dream, and
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: you know, I said, no, this is the match. And
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: that's how this, you know, my spiritual journey started. And
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I believe that mostly you know, day Jevus, that we
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: have during our lives are mostly about for instance, dreams
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: that we didn't remember, you know, we didn't remember them,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: or maybe other precognitive ways, you know, maybe some previously
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: not in dreams, but maybe you know, some clear visions
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: we just had you know where, while doing something, while
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: driving a car or something. I believe that all the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: day jebus are like that because you know, again from
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: my experience, even even casually these days, I'm having sometimes
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: day jev and I remember, wait, a second, no month
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: or two ago, I was, for instance, thinking about similar thing,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: or you know, had this intuitive thoughts maybe about this thing.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: So this was how this was the spiritual part of
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the jerm.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting how people just like chalk things up
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: to coincidences, you know, to just like, ah, it's just
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: happened to be that way. But I think like just
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: a simple concept of creating anything, whether it be a song,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: a sentence or anything, or a product that's never been created,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: or a way of thinking, you know, philosophy for example.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: They'll say things simply like you know, oh, it's just
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: a muse which is the acceptable one, that's the only
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: one that's accepted, or they'll just use always your imagination.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: But it came from somewhere. It came from somewhere, you know.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Heindris just didn't you know, of course he was
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: on the backbone of you know, blues, but that came
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: from somewhere else. Along the line. But to do what
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: he did, I'm just using him as an example. Came
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: from something, and you know, I might even call a
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: divine you know, like where say, for example, as a
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: joke writer. I'm a comedian, Like sometimes a joke just
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: come prepackaged, completely formed. Here it is and it's a
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: two minute bit, and I just go, I don't know
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: where the hell that came from. So imagination is just
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: like a bad word for it. It's like a cover word,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: like the word God is a cover word that has
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of negative connotation attached to it. So I am,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you know, just a you know, a little bit of
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: like to let you know a little bit about myself.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I then, you know, started going down these rabbit holes
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: that which is the word they like to use, which
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: drives me crazy now. But just my interest followed me
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: into the world of conspiracies, and I would, like you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Joe Rogan kind of woke up a lot of things
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: in me where I'd be like, oh, what is what
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: is uh you know, uh, psychedelics, you know, and then
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I would listen to like, you know, Terrence McKenna and uh,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: and then he would talk about uh, you know, I
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: took a heroic dose, which would be a Bill Hicks
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: reference to Terrence McKenna, which is the comedy side through it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: And then it would connect to one of my favorite
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: bands in the whole world, which is Tool And what
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: are they talking about? Spiral out your consciousness, reach reach
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: out and figure out what it means to exist or
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: it's a famous quote from some author, and like the unexperienced,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: you know, the unexamined life is like the life not
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: worth living. And then when you start going into the conspiracies,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: things start happening. You start realizing like, Okay, they have
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: all the money in the world, they have all the
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: power in the world, their families are set up for
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: generations upon generations. Then what is it that they really want?
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And it comes to this like spirituality thing where like, okay, wait,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: these people are truly evil. So if they're truly evil,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: that means there is a true evil. Then to kind
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: of springboard off of like Eastern mysticism, you guy, there
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: has to be a true good. Therefore that dirty word
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: that could possibly be seen as weird. God came into
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: my life, you know, and I was like, okay, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not religious. There's a difference. You know, I do
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: also see that some are better than others, and that's
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: be honest there too, But people don't want to say that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: But if I stand back and look at it from
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: the point of view of the observer, then you say, hmm,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: this one is better than this one because X, Y Z,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: and it's just it all kind of ties in together.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: We all have this intuition, and a lot of people
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: don't want to think about it. There is a lot
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: of like n PCs out there, if you know what
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I mean. They watch their football, they scratch themselves, drink
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: their beer, have their kids, and just go, yeah, life
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: is crazy, ain't it. Does that? Does that bother you
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that people don't do that?
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I think it maybe to some extent, But to some extent,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: of course, the person their personal choice that Okay, I
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: want to just live casual life, and I think it's
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: nothing bad with that. But in some cases it's not
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: like their choice, but you know, it's that they cannot
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: see any kind of alternative to that, and you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: any kind of alternative is being crazy or something like that.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: So they are forced by the society and by all
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: the conditions and by their lack of power.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you also have to be a person who
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: maybe I don't want to seem like egoistic, but being
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: in a position that I would find I think you
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and I are very similar on a lot of things.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: You're like, I've been doing this podcast for two years
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: and you're one of the few people that I go, yeah,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I know this guy. You know, I know who you
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: are in a sense of course. But then there's like
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: you have to like realize being in a position that
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: you are, that a lot of people are on their
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: own journey and you can't judge them that maybe some lie,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: of course not. All you can do is love them. Yeah.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: That's why what I said at the beginning that I'm
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: not forcing, you know, into all the theories and on
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the conspiracy No, I just you know, and the same
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: plenty of people say, oh, why I'm not, you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: in this opinion about this kind of conspiracy theory. Why
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I'm you know, like the middleman, because I think that
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I can wake up and you know, let's say that
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I can you know, make people more motivated to some
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: extent or inspired. I can inspire more people by just
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: being okay on this edge of the known, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the system and of the unknown. And yeah, because of that,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I can take them like the hero's journey is all
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: about you know this, and all the myths and.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: All the hidden or known and hidden right or known
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and hidden, because there's a lot of things they just
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: simply don't want us to know. I mean what, okay,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to give people a little bit of context, just to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: ground them back in the in their in their foundation
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: of scientific understanding, and and and uh, you know how
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that it relates to their life. Like if you go
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: ahead and look at Egyptology, they will tell you that
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: the Great Pyramids and all the pyramids on the Giza
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Plateau are approximately five and a half thousand years old, right,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: But then you look at you know, for example, the Sphinx,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: which the head doesn't fit to the size proportionally, and
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: they believe that in the past it was a lion's head.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: And the reason they believe that is because of the
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: procession of the equinox, that the allion's head at some
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: point was actually looking towards the constellation Leo. And then
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: you look at the enclosure it sits in. And then
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Robert Schock said, well, geologist Boston University was like, you know, uh,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: this is probably water erosion. We're like, wait a minute,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: this is a desert, bro. You know, how old can
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: this possibly be? And you're like, well, I can't be.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: And then the big gun, the big like you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: smoking gun, came out. Go Beckley tepley, Go Beckley teppe,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: which means pop belly hill I think it is, which
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: is found in Turkey. There's also another one nearby which
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I just recently learned about. I can't remember the name
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: There are actually a few.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Well there you go. You're fucking awesome, bro. I'm glad
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: you can actually remember that. Like, tell people, like people
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: who do not know about go Beckley teppee. It's a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Turkish word, hard to pronounce, tell them about that and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: how it how it goes against mainstream science when it
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: comes to hunter gatherers and things of that nature.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, gobe a megalthics side dating throughout nine thousand and
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: six hundred BC, so you know, it was the period,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: according to science, that people just started entire lifestyle. It
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: came from you know, millions of years of nomadic hunter
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: gatherer life, and you know immediately they created such megalists.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: And as I said, we've got other typepiece which are predated,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: you know, even by few thousand years in some cases,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and they are less advanced. So we see right now
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: that you know, everything is older. But I would even start,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: you know, we come back to the gobl Ketepe in
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: a minute. But what was shocking during my research is,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: you know how recent you know, the modern version of
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: our history is, because you know, one hundred years ago
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: and even here in Poland fifty forty years ago, there wasn't,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: like basic nowadays, notion that the ancient Summer was the
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: first civilization. You know, there was also no information about that.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: And you know, I always compare ancient Summer, which is
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: now the mainstream you know, all of them as a
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: pottam and civilization, because there are plenty of them. Sumrians, Acadians,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: you know, Assyrians, babylon and Scaldeans and manymore. You know,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: these kinds of civilizations were conspiracy theory just at the
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: beginning of the eighteen hundred most you know, any kind
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: of excavations in ancient Mesopotamia started in eighteen forties, about
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: eighteen forty three, all of them. And before eighteen forties
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: we thought that okay, this mentions. So for instance, Biblical
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Abraham came from the Subrian city of War, which we
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: now know was a royal city. But not only you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: religious text, but also you know historians, ancient historians, Coroda
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: tos and other wors. We were telling that yes, there
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: were civilizations and Thai huge cities in the area of
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: ancient Mesopotamia, but they were considered mythical completely because we
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: haven't found We hadn't found almost anything before the eighteen forties,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: so less than two hundred years ago we just started
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: excavating you know what we now call the mainstream basic
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: knowledge that ancient Sumar was.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so it gives people it's really great man
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: to give people a foundational concept of what is now
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: being taught. Has only been discovered for about two hundred years,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and before that they had another thought in the concept.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: People say, just to kind of swing it back to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: go Beckley Tepley. Uh, they'll say things like, how did
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: he know that it's that old? And they go, you know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: because they know the do carbon fourteen dating, you need
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: some type of organic substance to measure that. Well. Not
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: only the way they measured it is that the whole
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: site was buried at one time so no matter where
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: they checked within the site, and only I think a
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: very small portion of it has been actually dug up
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: because of the Syrian conflict and things of that nature.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's much bigger.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then so they they're like, it's like, I
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: think it's twelve thousand years, which is oddly enough, at
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the same time as the younger, driest impacts and Atlantis,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: which is, like you said earlier, which played on another
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: crazy Oh, it's a lot of coincidences, you know. Then
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I'm here on the Yukatan. You know that the big
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: impact is literally the outer edges of that impact is
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: literally an hour away from me. Yeah, which is good.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: So another one it hits, if another one hits, lightning
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't strike twice and I'll be fine. Yeah, yeah, And
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: all these things are just there for the taking. Now
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: this is a new frontier because you I, many many others,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: people who do much more in depth you know research,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you know, boots on ground, are starting to realize that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: all of this is not what they you know, also
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: to kind of go back to academia in the monolithic
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: way in which they teach things. These people, all their books,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: all their you know what they call that when you
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: are at a college and you can't leave, they can't
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: fire you. It's like it starts with a te so
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: their their whole, their whole thing is that this is
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: what it is, and if not, they lose money instead
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: of actually looking into it, and then people who poke
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: holes in it are now then made fun of. But
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: it's starting to you know, concepts of like Clovis first
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: is being completely eroded. And I think it's a good thing, man,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I really do.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe let's go for a bit with the new
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: academic news again, because last year I started and I
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: was positively surprised what I learned at my university. For instance,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, focusing for the last few months
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: on academic books, mainly about in oprahistory and ancient Mesopotamia
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And I had a book from
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: two thousand and four and I read it about you know,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: anatomically modern humans, and it was mentioned and I was
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: laughing very hard that anatomically modern humans, so just as
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: we today, appeared about fifty thousand years ago maximum one hundred.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: This was two thousand and four, and right now, the
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: modern consensus is that anatomically modern humans are here for
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: have been here for the last three hundred and fifteen
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: thousand years, so six times the fifty thousand year date.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: But also it is commonly right now accepted that they
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: are much older. But we just you know, haven't found
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: all the remains, of course of them. And it is
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: speculated officially, of course, academically speculated, so not like conspiracy theories.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Speculated that anatomically modern humans diverged from other hamanies about
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: half a million years ago, so ten times the you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: fifty thousand years of this two thousand and four book.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: You know, there's twenty two years. So imagine you know,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: the knowledge from the seventies, from the eighties, you know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: it's all changing, the same what I've learned about taking
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the roots of civilization back, just as you know, in
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: the eighteen forties before that, we thought that, okay, maybe
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Egypt is the oldest one. And again Egypt. Most of
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: the discoveries that Egypt were started during the Napoleonic expeditions
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: at the end seventeen nineteen nine, eighteen hundreds, so again
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: just you know, a few decades before that, and you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: in the seventeen hundred sixteen hundreds, we thought that Grise
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: and home were the civilizations in the last few hundred years.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: We were taking the roots of civilization back many, many times.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: And what is interesting is even right now when it
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: comes to ancient Summer, because you know, modern version, ancient
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Summer began four thousand BC, maybe thirty five hundred BC.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: But what is interesting is this date is the official
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: one because from these date we have the you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: the first evidence of writing and civilization. But civilization in
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: you know, the region of ancient Mesopotamia where the Ancient
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Summer was was much older than that, even you know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: eight thousand or two thousand years before that. Civilization was
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: also big there. But we just haven't found the remains
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: of the script during this period. So we cannot say
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: that Ancient Summer began five thousand YEARSBC, because we just
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: haven't found you know, it's you know, just schematic, bureaucratic
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: thing that we cannot call it civilization.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: It's difficult to find. I mean, even if like to say,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: for example, all of a sudden, all the humanity just
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: happened not to exist anymore within a couple hundred years,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: the only thing that will be left are like you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: our stone structures, like you know, maybe like maybe not
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: even a statue of liberty. But I'm talking like the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: pyramids that we now found now mean I now find
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I'm an English shooter, but you wouldn't know it. And no,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I think, thank you, thank you, buddy. I can also
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: we can speak to German too, but you probably speak
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: German too a little bit, don't you.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I used to, but I've been I was learning German
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: for eight years privately, and I don't know. For me,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: it's you know, not a fun language. So you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I just you know almost nothing even you know, when
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I had some German think through it, I only know
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: a few words and I was learning it for eight years.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, when you're kind of like me, when you're
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: engulfed in the culture, like you just can't not not
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: speak it, then you feel like a dummy anyway, so
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: you have to speak it and you know what the
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: hell they're talking about. It's uh, it's very important if
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: you want to learn language to actually live there. It's
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: a lot easier than to learn it externally. Yeah, I
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: think I think we're going through a big cosmic shift,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: like you know, you see these uh to bring it
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: up to like speed, you know, you see these whole
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Epstein files right, and people are like, oh, you know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you know, they move, they you know, what's going on here.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: And then people like Alex Jones are like, yeah, I've
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: told you about this for a long time. There's an
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: island that elites go to and they you know, kind
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: of blackmail people. And people are like, ah, you're crazy.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: And then he you know, you know, a broken clock
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: is right twice a day. And then he went to
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Bohemian Grove and actually seeing them burning the effigy to
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Moloch and people are like, oh, I didn't know that
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: was a real thing. And now I think just recently,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, maybe yesterday, Trump's like, yeah,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: we're going to release the Alien files. And the joke
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: right now is, oh, it is truly right now Reredator
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: versus Alien, which made me laugh, really made me laugh.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: But we are living in crazy times. Crazy times might
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: even be the most interesting time in history.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Might in the Atlantis in the Epstein files, you know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: they were even you know, two thousand and four, two
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: thousand five, they were searching and they wanted independently to
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: find out and I see, you know, it's the same
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: thing that this kept that the bankers say, only you know,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: stupid people who are primitive believe in religions or in
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: higher power supernatural and rational people do not believe in that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: But you see, know even throughout the centries, most of
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the you know, it's the same thing as you could.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: You know, let's say, person who was a genius like you,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: you ridiculous, Leonardo what Loanardo da Vinci is telling you
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: because you know better and you achieve nothing. Let's say, so,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: it's the same with all of these stuff that you know,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the elites and you know, plenty of high power people
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: are into, you know, all of the esotoika, all of
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the Atlantean stuff, and you know knows too. It's nothing.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: It's the science is bs and it's you know, it
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: has been from the centries with you know, all people
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: in power, and I compare it always, you know, to
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Leonardo da Vinci, you know, comes to you and want
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: to give you advice and you, let's say, do not
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: you haven't achieved anything in your life and you say, no,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: you do not know thing because I know better, because
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: you know it's it's rational or something.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of that. There's a lot
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: of that going on the point I was going to say,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: and I'm listening so hard too. I'm listening so hard
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: to what you're saying and trying to add on to
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: what you're saying. And let's come.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Back finish the compactly tape line. Okay, so we can
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: go into other topics, because I want to go into
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: what you said about the tones, you know, paying for
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: thousands of years, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of years,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: and you know, modern civilization decaying very fast. So this
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: will be another point that we can talk about. But
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: coming back to the goble Kite page was again in
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the seventies, in the eighties, in the early nineties, you know,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: everyone was ridiculed about their theories which you mentioned about,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: you know, these things about the premise being older. Because
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: the main argument, and again it was back then a
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: irrational argument, was that we do not have any evidence
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: that seven thousand BC ten thousand BC. You know, that's
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: why Atlantis was ridiculed for so long. We didn't have
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: any evidence that people were capable of creating megalithic builds,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: you know, like this thing like the pyramids. But then
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: you know, in the mid nineties we found Gobecle tape,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: as you've said, which was immediately dated, you know, the
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: date of Buriler about nine thousand and six hundred percent
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: even older than that. And you see that, Okay, this
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: argument that was used before all the time, you know,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: with dani Ken, with Hamkock and others, you know, isn't
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: any more good in this situation that you know, we
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: have evidence that people were building huge megothics staff much
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: older than that. The same you know, coming back even
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you know, connecting all of the threats with no Mesopotamia
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: and other stuff. I learned here last year at my
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: university that we have here in Eastern Europe none recorded,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: you know, archaeologically speaking, you know, scientifically speaking, proto civilizations,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: pre civilizations here in Eastern Europe which were as big
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: as Ancient Summer. We know because during the peak of
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: the ancient Sumerian times, the biggest cities were having from
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: about thirty thousand people to fifty thousand people. And here
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: in Eastern Europe, in Serabia, Romania, we have cities of
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: again about thirty thousand people, the same as in Ancient Summer.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: And as I've said, with the case of Ancient Summer,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: that it was older, but we haven't found the script yet.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: And oh okay, our definition of civilization needs to include
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: writing system. The same here in Eastern Europe, this civilization
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: predates su Marines BA by eight thousand or two thousand years.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: At least they were very advanced. They use even chariots.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: It's the first case of chariots using all around the world,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: the first at least from the evidence that survived all
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: of these thousands of years. But again, we have something
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: that looks like script, but just that. But just because
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: we cannot decipher it, or we cannot say, because we
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: cannot decipher this thing that looks like writing, we cannot
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: even say officially that it's writing, we cannot call these civilizations.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: These are called pre civilization proto civilizations, to be exact.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: So again, as we've said that conspiracy theories are becoming true,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: you know, with all of defiles being released, the same
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: with history, that history is catching up with conspiracy. And
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I'm even confident from what I've been learning over the
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: last few years that maybe in twenty, maybe in thirty,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: maybe in fifty years, the idea that during the Atlantis
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: times there was any kind of civilization could be mainstream
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: and let's say thirty or fifty years from now, I'm.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Gonna use I'm going to use two different baseball analogies here.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Now I'm America, so we're gonna use baseball. So if
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: a conspiracy series are easily batting five hundred, which will
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: make you the best batter of all time. Now now
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I'm going to throw you a curveball. That's a ball
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that curves when you throw it. Here's damn it. My
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: brain is off today. It's just been one of those
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: things that we that are opening, that's been opening the doors,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and the doors are going to be wide open. My
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: curveball to you is, what is your take on aliens?
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I know you probably there's probably some connection that you're
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: finding within your studying and the things that you're You're
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: a very well read person. You're saying, shit, I've never
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: heard of which.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: They are real books? Because plenty of people think it's say,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I know, these are you know real?
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's oh, those are real books. I
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: can tell I know, I know, I don't think. I
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've read all of them, but if
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: you did, we'll.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: People say, oh, I mean planted by government or something.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: This this is a.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I there are people who are planned about a government.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: There's a dude now going around tell them about telling
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: all the CIA secrets. I don't know if you've seen him
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: on the internet. He's telling all the CIA secrets. And
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking, as a conspiracy theorist myself, going, why is
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: he how they're telling all the CIA secrets so that
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: when these Epstein stuff comes out that they're kind of like, oh,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: we've been telling you. It just makes me wonder why
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that would be allowed to come out. But reading what
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: you've read, knowing that you've seen, you know, you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: especially in certain you know, hieroglyphics. Uh, there's certain like
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: you know, the bags when it comes to you know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: the the white people who come from the sea and
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: bring knowledge and things of that nature. What can you
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: tell people about maybe what we will call, you know, aliens.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: What have you kind of derived in your research?
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my I think biggest theory and it's you know,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: mostly about the again connections from all over the ancient world,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: but also modern phenomena. Is that what we call aliens,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: ancient aliens especially, we're not physical beings where like some
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: kind of ghosts, some kind of spiritual antities, non physical ones,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: and I think that it's the easiest way you know,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: to prove aliens. Even right now there are being done
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: some experiments about it, but I think we need more
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: of that because plenty of people, for instance, with you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: house and natury experiences, you know, after taking ay aquasca,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: d MT or LSD or on another kind of mind
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: altering drugs, consciousness altering drugs, experience similar things. And you know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: it's the same like with hypnotic regression, that you regress
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: people from different religions and they are telling you the
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: same thing. And you see that that and okay, let's
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: start with this idea. Okay, we get people into altered
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: states of consciousness and it can be there, you know,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: through drugs or through let's say natural experiences, out of
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: body even experiences near death experiences, and they are telling
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: you mostly the same thing. Of course, the details are different,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: but again, the biggest stuff is the same with all
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: of these experiences. And you can say that, Okay, it's
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: like primitive mind of humans, you know, doing these altered
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: states of consciousness and we all of us have similar ideas. Okay,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: you can do it like that, but then you check
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: out what these people are telling you, and they are
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: just as in my case with dreams telling you, because
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: again I was the same doubtful I wanted to know
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: even you know, basically, in scientific terms, you know, double
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: check everything, you know, double blind experiment. But when the
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: information that is, you know, being presented by these people
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: is beyond their rational minds, or you know, something beyond
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: just it being their hallucinatory experience, their projections of their minds,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: then you can see that, okay, there is something more
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: to all of this. And you see that with ancient
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: people that for instance, you know, in the legends of
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the Amazon rainforest, people these kind of spiritual beings taught
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: them the basic stuff and even taught them to create
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: this ayahuasca, you know, a mixture of plenty of different.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Plants that are from different parts of the forest, they
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: mixing leaf with the root. And when they asked them, hey,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: how did you guys learn that? All the ancient spirits
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: told us people.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly exactly exactly. I think that's the best evidence for
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: the aliens. You know, even right now we can prove it,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: even within the scientific crown. We can say, okay, there
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: is something much more that's why I think about that.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: But okay, let's go. Because this idea of ancient aliens,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: ancient astronauts and stuff like that. But if you look
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: at other myths, you know, from all around the world,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: like even ancient Sumerian, ancient Mesopotamian stuff. This Annaki, the
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: famous one, the other one you mentioned with the famous handbags.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I will come to that, the pledeons.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but these are from what I've learned. I have
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: some like true sources text in English or in Polish,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: you know, translated directly from the county, from tablets and
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. In most of the cases, these are
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: not described as physical beings. These are like ethereal spiritual ones.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: And even for instance, in the epic of petra Hases,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the god enki Is, you know, tries to warn etra
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Hasis that there will be a flood and he needs
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: to build a boat. And you know, if he's the Anunaki,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the highest gods, why he is
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: not coming to him and you know in the flesh,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: you know, true strong Ananaki and saying you, you stupid person,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: built a boat. You know, this would be our story
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: that we could imagine. But this Enki, you know, one
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: of the highest gods is coming into a dream of
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Petra Hasis, And even in this dream, it shows that
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: he isn't anything like special. He's just like a nightmare.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: He's just like a spirit or a ghost that can
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: be experienced, you know, by all of us. Because he
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: comes into the dream of Petra Hazes and it isn't
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: one dream. He's replaying this mantra Atra Hazes destroy your
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: house built in arc, destroyer house built in arc. And
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: he repeats this mantra all over again a few nights,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: not like a single dream a single night. So it shows,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, the evidence that these are not like
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: special alien beings which are powerful and stuff like that.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: These are just like casual the experience that I dreamt
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: of a deceased relative of mine, or oh I had
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: a ghost in my dream or something like that. These
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: are just beings, just as in the case of ayahuasca.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe you know, this was more vivid experience to them,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: but you know, again some kind of spirits of nature
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: telling them how to mix these things together. So my
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: personal stuff is that these are not at least not
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent material beings. Maybe you know, with the
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: UFO staff, they materialized to some extent. You know, maybe
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: they're just that. But I think in lots of cases
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: there you're over on.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: My side of the boat man, and this is what
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: we're on the same boat, bro trying to figure that
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: because I say that a lot of us over here
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: in this this podcast, the area that I'm in when
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: it comes to cryptis and things like that, I don't
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: know how much you know about, you know, uh Sasquatch, Bigfoot,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: the Yawi, all those things. These things. There's people who
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: will swear up and down their only physical beings. There's
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: some that will say they call it the wu and
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the and they actually people actually fight over these concepts
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: even though no one really knows. But what I've been
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: experiencing through all the interviews, I'm having that these things
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: are both physical and non physical, that they actually they
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: actually are like stepping through some type of portal into
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: the reality. They bring knowledge with them too. They do
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: things like mind speak, They do things like make you sick.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: If they don't like you, they can like put out
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: some type of wave what people call ultra shout sound,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: and they'll they'll get things like, oh, we're not from
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: this planet. We are we are. We are sentient beings
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: not from this planet. Sometimes they will speak native tongues
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: like Native America, in tongues where people go, I know
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: what they're talking about. They said, get out of here
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: and uh, and even the UFO stuff, people say, you know,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I've been transported through walls. It's physical, but it's not physical.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: So what you're saying about, you know, the gods of
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the past and ancient history, is lining up with a
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: lot of experiences people are having at this very moment
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: in time and going back through all the history. While
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: then even the mostes concept of what you were referring
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: to that is found throughout all texts and law or
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: folklore through basically every human tribe throughout the world. So
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: there is something up here, man, And I wouldn't say
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: we're on the spirit tip. We're somewhere on that arrow. Brother.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we can go into you know YETI Sasquatch and
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, because what's interesting, I think again, I'll
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: just ass you that most as in the case of
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: the ends, this may be non physical beings, but when
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: it comes to the you know, physical YETI sasquatch, bigfoot stuff,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: you know. Even again coming back to summer. The all
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: thet texts in the world. The epic of Gilgamesh tells
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: you of a home minute or like a bigfoot being
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: called and kid who is created by gods and they
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: send him to the casual humans because the Gilgamesh is
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: half you know, one third human and two thirds divine,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: and he's you know, the strongest man alive. So they
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: create this home Miny, this YETI, this asquatch, and they say,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: you know, it's hero. It's more primitive, but still it's
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: similar to humans, and it, you know, may be a
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: little bit like on the dumb side of intellect, but
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: again it can even live among just casual humans, which
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: is very interesting. So then the oldest texts is mentioning
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: such being. And I even I always say to people
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: the same with giants, the same with YETI. For instance,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: right now we are the only human beings like howmny
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: beings because you know, all the chimpanzees and other apes
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: are not on our level because they are not called
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: for instance, howmnies like Astrolopitecus denisovans nan turtles because they
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: do not create culture like ours. They are not you know,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: in this case, has advanced to create like they create
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: some tools. You know, they are advanced in their own way,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: but they are not similar to us. But it's the
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: only actually, even you know, scientists are I've heard a
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: few scientists here in Poland, you know, talking just fun
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: on the podcast that yeah, this is the only time
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: during anatomically human history that we are alone. And in
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: the previous time, for instance, we thought for many, many
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: decades that nan dirtles were our ancestors. But right now
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: it's basic knowledge that we coexisted with nan.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Dirtys zero point. Our DNA is actually yes, yes, yes, yes,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: we're yes, that's why we had you know, we're not
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: very bright.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and you know, but it's not only nan
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: thertles because I don't remember the exact data. I think
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: about eighty thousand years ago, not that long ago, eighty
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: thousand years ago, you know, still within the time for again,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: atomic humans, we co exist that with five other hominid species,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: five others, so again at least six other hominid species.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: And I remember talking about it, I think in January
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: on a live show and the host said, wait a
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: minute today, and he looked up an article from the
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: same day that and other species of home in it
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: coexistent coexisting with humans was found in China. So we
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: find more and more hominids with whom were coexisting at
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: particular times in the past. So I say, okay, with
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: for instance, coexibit with non dirtles, which may be a
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: little bit like yetti but a little bit smaller. Let's say,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: but also we coexisted with homophlorescenses, which were a long
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: meter tall hobbits. So I say, why we are denying
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: sciences are denying existence of giants. Okay, let's assume that
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: there is for a moment no conspiracy, that they didn't
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: hide any kind of remains of for a moment.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: But oh dude, dude, okay, well, well we'll go ahead
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: and put a really bad patch over that.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Part and keep calling me. Okay, good, all right, go ahead. Yes,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: it was just really funny that you said that. I
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Don't worry, don't worry. But again, let's for a moment
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: say that you know, there was no conspiracy. But even
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: without conspiracy of Smithsonian hiding giant stuff, but not only Smiths,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: and there are plenty of stories like that of you know,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: scientists finding these giants. There's still a huge possibility if
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: we coexisted with a small hominy being, maybe there was
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: also a tall one that we haven't found it because
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: most of these communites were found in the last few decades.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: So no, maybe there's tens of more of such hominites
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: to be found that coexisted with us. And I think
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: that the same with you know, Yiti Bigfoot says, question
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: that some of them may be physical just in this
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: sense like this.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Physical things, man. I mean, so let me ask you
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: a question. Do you believe that they exist?
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I think so. You know, I haven't experienced them myself,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: but you know, from what we are talking about all description,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I think that they did surreal phenomenon or maybe this
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: is just a phenomenon like on a spiritual level, just
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: as my dreams or something, you know. But I think
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: that they for sure in this sense existed. But when
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: it comes to physical for a moment, you know, just
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: how many ites, big Futieti there were. I've heard some
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: stories of the Mongols when they during Middle Ages were
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: no conquering, no holl the all of the Central Asia,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Europe and stuff like that they found in Central Asia
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: they encountered like something that looks like Yetti. How many beings.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: And these beings were living in groups, not like single
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: one like this in most cases, but in groups, and
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: they were living in primitive huts. And what is interesting
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: that again they were very hairy. They were much more
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: primitive than human being in this sense, you know, the
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: casual since maybe they hurt like some again non physical
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: abilities like what you've said about different languages and stuff
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: like that. But they were like the primitive men. And
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: what is interesting is that they were compatible with human
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: beings because there was at least one person being offspring
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: of human us and them, and he was a little
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: bit harry and later he died I think when he
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: was very young. But again it was this wasn't like
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: basic human being, which again is similar to this idea
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: of you know, nepheline angels.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: It's very hard to get in this type of physical
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: evidence of sasquatch. And I'm sure you're very aware of
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the Patterson Gimlin film. Correct.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'm not like I just want to I
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: just want you.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I just want you because because you know, people will
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: think all I want to do is take Just when
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: you get a chance, buddy, if you want to look
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: into it, because it's super interesting to me, and I
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: talked to a lot of people. I talked to a
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: gentleman that just passed, mister Tom Cantrell Rest in peace,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: my friend. He was friends with Bob Gimlin, and Bob
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: Gimlin is still around, and he was sort of two
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: gentlemen who's seen this? They videotaped in the nineteen sixty
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: seven and Bluff Creek when the sasquatch looks back over
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: his shoulder, do me a favorite slowed down the video
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: and look at its right leg when it turns its
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: knee out, and see the wiggle in the muscles, and
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: you're gonna go, oh my god. There's M. K. Davis
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: who broke it down, who showed it. He has a
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: fence video called the Fence Climber, but his thing just
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: stepped over a fence that is six foot high and
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: just stepped over like you and I step over a toy.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's utterly fascinating. I think we have to
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: be very sure and and we have to make sure,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: as Better said, that when it comes to all these things,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: that we make sure that we stay open to all
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: of it. So what you're saying is aligning a lot
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: with people talking about giants of Kandahar. That's the very
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: famous one that you probably know of, but they talk
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: about giants all over North America. There's actually skulls that
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: people have here, and a lot of that stuff needs
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: to be connected together at the hip, but also independent
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: in with itself, and we need to open up now.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: When you talk to people who've had these experiences, you
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: will become I've interviewed like fifty different people and they're
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: just like, yeah, dude, you have no idea, like how
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: do you explain this? Of how do you explain that
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: other than that's these damn things. And then you have
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: people who've seen them. They'll go hunting their whole lives.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: You have to understand in America, hunting is a big
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: part of our culture, and there's people who do that
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: their whole life. Fish hunt their whole life. They're forty
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: five years old. One day they've run across these things
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: and have never gone back in the woods ever. Again,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: how do you explain? They're just like I'm dude, like
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I had friends. We're going to go down to another
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: guy who came on my show, mister Darren Franks, and
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: he's he's like yeah, I'll go, I'll go go, and
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: then at the last one, I can't. I just can't, dude.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: It's it is a mystery. But I do like the
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: fact that you, as as many many other people who
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: come on the show and talk to me about these things.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed them. I really enjoyed you coming
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: on with me today. And could you please do favor
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: tell everybody one more time where they can find you.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: I think this is this way to find me is
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: just copy and paste my nrme and saying surname Alexandro Tishkevitch,
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: and you can find me on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, like
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: most of the social media. You will find me on
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: plenty of other interviews, other podcasts also, and my book
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: is Deja Vu as Everything Already Bin, which you can
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: find on Amazon's like UK, Australia, Canada and a few
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: more than Thank.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: You very much, No, dude, big, this is exactly I've
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: been waiting for one of these interviews for a long
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: time because when you go down a certain path or
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: just people go this person, Oh, you need to talk
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: to this person, and then you just get down this
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: really cool area. But sometimes I want to pull back
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: to what the initial concept of the show was, which
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: is basically, let's ask questions, you know, let's go into
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: let's go into these weird areas. And you've done that
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: very well, very well. Read a fantastic, fantastic guest, and
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate that you took time to speak with
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: me today.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Thank you, really appreciate it. Don't see baby on the show.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: Thanks so lady brother. Remember, guys, we are the I,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: we are aware. I love you all.