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3 Guys Before The Game - WVU Basketball - Cincinnati Preview (Episode 695) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: Can you believe? I say, can you believe? We're now
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  Speaker 1: five episodes away from seven hundred?
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  Speaker 2: Wow?
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  Speaker 1: Holy potato skins. So I guess if you do they
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  Speaker 1: really do the math, that means it's one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: five episodes from Dunnsville. Still saying that, Yeah, okay, no
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  Speaker 1: episode eight hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Man, only like one more year? Right, year and a half.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a good run.
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  Speaker 1: Three Guys before the Game, Welcome in everyone. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: preview the Cincinnati Bearcat West Virginia second game of the year,
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia's first repeat opponent of the three that they
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  Speaker 1: have preview coming up, plus a few other things. Three
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  Speaker 2: I just got a text from the president just now.
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  Speaker 1: let's jump in Hopster in Senator is in Mountaineers on
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  Speaker 1: the road later today we record so early on when
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: day morning. If the cats haven't even headed back to
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  Speaker 1: their houses yet. I mean, cats goes just wounder around.
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  Speaker 1: If you want them out, you should this weather there, Johnny,
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  Speaker 1: don't even start talking about cats because you're the only
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  Speaker 1: guy know that walks one on a leash. So don't
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  Speaker 1: even bring this. Don't don't bring cats into this thing.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, if you walk your cat on a leash,
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  Speaker 1: send us a note on the text line. I just want
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  Speaker 1: to see how many people out there do that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if it was a tiger, I could see putting a
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  Speaker 1: dog on thing on a leash. It's a cat, I.
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  Speaker 2: Could go into a whole thing here. I'm not, but
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you just don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: But you're saying all the people that don't have leashes
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  Speaker 1: on their cats are wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, now.
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  Speaker 1: We don't have time.
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  Speaker 2: All right, what you say one sentence? No, never mind?
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  Speaker 1: Is it a flight risk? Is that why you leash it?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, well just just go on, just go on.
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  Speaker 1: This this has got him perplexed. I mean, one day
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  Speaker 1: removed from coming back from the state capital where I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure you had to deal with a lot of rhetorical issues,
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, a cat on a leash
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  Speaker 1: has got your tongue tied.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of three guys, folks at the capitol yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: They like it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, got your picture made, Got picture made. Stopped at
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  Speaker 2: the gomart on the way back at flat Woods, your
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  Speaker 2: left of the right, Well it was coming north, so
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  Speaker 2: it was on the right. Well it was on the
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  Speaker 2: was on.
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  Speaker 3: The left every time.
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  Speaker 2: Every time.
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  Speaker 1: Let's tell him where he was. He was at the left.
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  Speaker 2: Go mart, But you have to you get off on
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  Speaker 2: the right, and then you take a left.
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  Speaker 1: What city were you in? Right there?
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  Speaker 2: What's that?
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  Speaker 1: What city were you in? Flat Wood? That's flat Woods.
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  Speaker 1: That's the left. That'll be the left, Yeah, because that's
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  Speaker 1: the he came in the interesting.
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  Speaker 3: No, that's the none. That's not the two Gomart Plaza.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it is, it is. Yeah's you walk to get
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  Speaker 3: that picture?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, Jake, can you put that up there again?
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  Speaker 3: We've been there a billion times. We've never got that angle.
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  Speaker 1: That's a different angle. And I know where he is
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  Speaker 1: if you go to his to the right of the picture.
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  Speaker 1: That's the interstate exit.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, he's all turned around.
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  Speaker 1: Where is he?
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I'm not even sure he's in.
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  Speaker 1: Where were you standing?
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  Speaker 2: I was standing? Okay, you come off the exit on
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  Speaker 2: the right, then you turn away coming north, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then you turn left into the Godmart plank.
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  Speaker 1: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: And I pulled straight in past the gas pumps, pull
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  Speaker 2: up to some of the parking places, and I got out,
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  Speaker 2: and I took the phone and I took it and
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  Speaker 2: I took a picture facing back toward the main road,
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  Speaker 2: back toward the road, not the interstate, but the road.
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  Speaker 2: So the store is in front of me. The store
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  Speaker 2: is in front of me.
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  Speaker 1: When you're out there without a jacket, I'm gonna catch
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  Speaker 1: cold cold out there for a guy without a jacket anyway, Gomart. Also,
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  Speaker 1: when we're in the month of February, so get another
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  Speaker 1: vinyl value day coming up. I believe they've got the
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  Speaker 1: vinyl value product this month is a Coca Cola.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that. I'm confirmed. Oh geez, I'm
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  Speaker 3: confirmed that might be.
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  Speaker 1: But that's good when it's the weather's cold, but a
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  Speaker 1: cold Coca cola tastes good.
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  Speaker 3: Did you not stop at the Elk View, Gilmart, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: on the way down, did not?
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  Speaker 2: Did not stopped on the way back, use the restroom,
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  Speaker 2: got a te headed back, I recommend the.
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  Speaker 3: Elk V one as well. You can go ahead and
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  Speaker 3: hit both of them. Right as you're coming out of
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  Speaker 3: Charleston just zip in well, or right as you're about
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  Speaker 3: to enter, just zip in, grab what you need moving.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a I did think about it, because as
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  Speaker 2: a person at a certain age, you dot about it.
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  Speaker 3: Know where you stops are. I'm telling you, you hit
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  Speaker 3: the you hit that one. Then as you're headed up north,
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  Speaker 3: then you get off in flat Woods and you're in
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  Speaker 3: good shape as it was.
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  Speaker 2: Bridgeport barely made it in the cabin, understood, stormed into
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  Speaker 2: the parking.
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  Speaker 1: Did you miss it?
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  Speaker 2: What's that?
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  Speaker 1: I mean?
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  Speaker 2: Was that the first time you've been back since the
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  Speaker 2: second time? No, second or third time? But but I
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  Speaker 2: did look. I like it. I know a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people down there. You see a lot of people, and
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  Speaker 2: it's it's interesting. I mean, either you love it or
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  Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to be near it. I know probably
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  Speaker 2: you guys wouldn't, But I mean, but I enjoy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going down there Monday. Now.
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  Speaker 2: You're not going to the capitol.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 2: But I saw what I just saw a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people that I know and have acquainted with over the years,
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  Speaker 2: and it always.
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  Speaker 1: Are you still as as polarizing as you were when
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  Speaker 1: you were hosting your show?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I ever was that polarizing. I thought
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 1: Then people give you the stink eye when you used
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  Speaker 1: to go there there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the people that don't like me don't come up
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  Speaker 2: and say anything. Yeah, so there might be whole crew
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  Speaker 2: of those.
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  Speaker 1: Did you get any stink eyes yesterday?
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  Speaker 2: Did I? I don't not that I noticed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not that you're there, But yesterday was Marshall Day
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  Speaker 1: and today is WVU day, so today's WV day. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: very cray that what the President just texted, texted me
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  Speaker 1: a picture he was with the Supreme Court last night.
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  Speaker 3: You got it to he texted all of us. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Kirsch was over here saying he's got texting proble. You
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  Speaker 3: got webreak going correct, tried to diminish, so I wasn't
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  Speaker 3: gonna say anything, and he did it twice to try
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  Speaker 3: a big time and name drop. I just said, you too.
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  Speaker 3: You guys don't know about group texts. Ultimately gonna be
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  Speaker 3: on the town.
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  Speaker 1: Does that work? It's always interesting when the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have it robes on. Yeah, you see they look
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  Speaker 1: they they you know, it's always that's always.
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  Speaker 2: As are were recording.
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  Speaker 3: Yet what times it start.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't start till eight fifteen. But he referenced, okay,
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  Speaker 2: he referenced. Do you see what he said there though
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  Speaker 2: about my ancestor?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he did find something out. Something you related
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  Speaker 1: to Thomas Jefferson.
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  Speaker 2: Well no, no, not really to Thomas Jefferson, but I
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  Speaker 2: am related to Samuel Kirschivill, who was a historian who.
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  Speaker 1: I'm will taste about Samuel Kirchew him and Jefferson. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just smoking corn silk. Kertchival told him Thomas, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about this country might want to start again.
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  Speaker 3: He could forget eight hundred.
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  Speaker 1: We're not making something, and the hell are we doing
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  Speaker 1: on this course there we This is what infuriates people
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  Speaker 1: that understand, that listened to want to know about the
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati understanding here hours ago, Mart Now we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court and Samuel Kerchiewal and Thomas Jefferson running
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  Speaker 1: around at a frat party.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you all their felt it. Thank you, my bead,
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  Speaker 2: my bag.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get the heck end of this thing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, believe it or not, believe it
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  Speaker 1: or not. A A D d ME is like, let's
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  Speaker 1: get out of the top. I mean, you know it's
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  Speaker 1: bad when I want to get onto the top.
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  Speaker 2: I hear you, I hear you.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So sorry everyone, our apologies.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome in three guys before the game episode.
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  Speaker 1: Number All right, here we go, West Virginia Cincinnati Bearcats
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  Speaker 1: right now are straight up at five hundred. They're eleven
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  Speaker 1: and eleven Overall, all, eleven of their wins have come
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  Speaker 1: on their home hardwood correct eleven and two at home,
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  Speaker 1: Owen six on the road, Owen three neutral. Since the
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  Speaker 1: last time West Virginia played them, they are right in
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  Speaker 1: the middle. They're four and three. After West Virginia, they
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  Speaker 1: went to UCF. They lost by two to West Virginia
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  Speaker 1: sixty two sixty, then lose by a single point. Had
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  Speaker 1: a shot at the end of the game to beat UCF.
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  Speaker 1: Didt in seventy three seventy two, beat the Colorados and
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  Speaker 1: then absolutely Lamb based at Lamb Based, did I tell
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  Speaker 1: you Iowa State? And then went to Arizona. When West
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: Virginia was in Arizona, we did the reverse of what
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: they did. They played Arizona first in Arizona State. They
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  Speaker 1: got beat there, and we're there for a week, left
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  Speaker 1: on a Monday, and got back the following Monday and
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: late afternoon because of all the weather they couldn't get through.
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  Speaker 1: We snuck in. They beat the Baylors last week at
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  Speaker 1: their place, sixty seven to fifty seven. The same Baylor
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  Speaker 1: team that was here.
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  Speaker 2: Cave Houston a game, well not really, they got They
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  Speaker 2: got within seven at home.
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  Speaker 3: That was yeah, back in early jails, well back in January.
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  Speaker 1: But they went to Houston. Houston said, this week, they said,
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  Speaker 1: what's that? Excuse me? Come here, come here, this is
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  Speaker 1: a Saturday beat him seventy six fifty four, twenty two. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: you got nothing, you got Okay, we'll get into it
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  Speaker 1: my stuff please, all right, I guess I'll just be
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  Speaker 1: commercial boy and you guys can just take care of
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  Speaker 1: everything else.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean you you've signed me obvious things, and
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  Speaker 2: you're doing all the obvious things.
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  Speaker 1: But your obvious things oftentimes have nothing to do with
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  Speaker 1: basketball anymore. You're talking about this date and history. Joe
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  Speaker 1: Demagio walked by a coffee shop and he ran into
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: a right Mickey Rooney, I thought you enjoyed that. I
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  Speaker 1: do like I do like those all right, he's a
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  Speaker 1: tough crowd. This is the worst show ever. Let's do this.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just do this.
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  Speaker 3: But the things we already knew.
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  Speaker 2: You got his bomb ready, heaven knows.
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  Speaker 3: Let's take you quick before he's obvious ovation.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. By the way, the way you walk
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  Speaker 1: run through the door. The drywall on the sides perfectly
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  Speaker 1: blows up there. Done very good.
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  Speaker 2: Well as my ancestor Samuel Kirschabal would say about this game. Okay, Brad,
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  Speaker 2: obvious observations. Avoid the slow start. This has been a
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  Speaker 2: pattern for West Virginia in the last three or four games.
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  Speaker 2: Put so much pressure on the team for the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the game. So avoid the slow start if you can.
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  Speaker 2: It caught up with them in the Baylor game. They'd
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  Speaker 2: done okay in a couple of the games, but it
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  Speaker 2: caught up with them in the Baylor game. West Virginia
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  Speaker 2: in their first game with Cincinnati got up eleven in
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  Speaker 2: the first half. So with Cincinnati had to fight back. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so see if you can do same. Here we go.
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  Speaker 2: This might be the most obvious observation of all.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, shoot, better score more buckets. How about that
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  Speaker 1: Hart again Cincinnata. Yeah, good defer for good defense.
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  Speaker 2: West Virginia shot just thirty six percent from the field
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  Speaker 2: and twenty six percent from three point range and the
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  Speaker 2: loss to Baylor. In the first game, West Virginia won
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  Speaker 2: by two. Honor went off had twenty four So can Honor.
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  Speaker 2: Of course they're going to be They've had time to
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  Speaker 2: think about that. Now about Honor Huff and prepare for him.
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  Speaker 2: West Virginia shot forty six percent in that first game
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  Speaker 2: against Cincinnati and forty eight percent from three point range.
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  Speaker 2: Remember they were Honor was.
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  Speaker 1: Bombinant, so had a half a dozen of them. So
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  Speaker 1: can you shoot well again and kind of get off
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  Speaker 1: this schneid and.
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  Speaker 2: Score more buckets? Frankly against Cincinnati?
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  Speaker 1: The Bearcats, like most teams, will be focused on Honor
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  Speaker 1: and focus on Trey, and that worked for Baylor against
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: So can somebody else? And you would think that Honor
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  Speaker 2: will shoot better just because it's not going to go
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  Speaker 2: a couple of games and just make one or two shots.
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  Speaker 2: So you would think he would do better even though
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  Speaker 2: since he's going to focus on him. But who else?
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  Speaker 2: Who else can a chance more? Who had fourteen points
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  Speaker 2: against Cincinnati coming off the bench in the first game.
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  Speaker 2: Can can he give you something? Be Low had fifteen
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  Speaker 2: points against Arizona State? I mean, can he give you something?
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  Speaker 2: And Obo has been kind of quiet the last three
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  Speaker 2: or four games? Last three games? So can he give
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  Speaker 2: you something? So you count on Trey and you count
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  Speaker 2: on Honor, but you need some help there. So who
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  Speaker 2: else can give you help? In this game? Home court advantage?
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  Speaker 1: Tony, you talked about that Cincinnati is zero to six
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  Speaker 1: on the road, but eleven and two.
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  Speaker 2: At home, so they're a good home court and that
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  Speaker 2: defenses is real. So those are my obvious observations about
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  Speaker 2: the game, and Brad will have much more on that
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  Speaker 2: a couple other things. You know, I'm obsessed by nil
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  Speaker 2: in the state of college sports right now, and when
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: there are no rules, and that's hyperbole, but then standards.
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  Speaker 2: When there are no rules, that's a vacuum, and human
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  Speaker 2: beings hate vacuums. So standards and guidelines will develop on
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  Speaker 2: their own. And that's beginning to happen. That's beginning to happen,
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  Speaker 2: and it's happening through the legal process. Now we're seeing
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  Speaker 2: that increasingly with lawsuits, with mitigated damages, with contracts, so
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  Speaker 2: it's starting to take some shape. You know, there are
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  Speaker 2: now at least a dozen books out on NIL.
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  Speaker 1: Books books like bookies running a book about that.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, I mean books like Here's your instruction Manual,
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  Speaker 2: how to do Nil. One of the most popular ones
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  Speaker 2: is by Christy Dash who it's called the Athletes INIL
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  Speaker 2: book brand The Complete God to Owning and profiting from
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  Speaker 2: your name, image and likeness. It's aimed at helping college,
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  Speaker 2: high school, and young athletes navigate the landscape. So all
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  Speaker 2: these things are happening to try to give form to
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  Speaker 2: something that has been kind of formless for the last
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  Speaker 2: two years. You know, our brains, Tony are predictive, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: like we want want to know except in this show,
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  Speaker 2: we want to know what's what's coming next. We want
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  Speaker 2: to prepare for things. That's that's really kind of rooted
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  Speaker 2: in the survival instinct. You know, you altanus to go
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  Speaker 2: willy nilly out of the cave, and you know you
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  Speaker 2: look around first.
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  Speaker 1: Now we go prehistoric, this is good and see what's going.
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  Speaker 1: So that's our nature. Our nature is to be predictive
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  Speaker 1: and to prepare. And so everybody described this as the
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  Speaker 1: wild wild West and the chaos, which it's been.
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  Speaker 2: But it will take form. It will take shape in
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  Speaker 2: one in one way or another. So I think we're
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  Speaker 2: just starting to see the early stages.
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  Speaker 3: Of the form, right, agree or disagree, agree set it
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  Speaker 3: three or four years ago. The market, the market will
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  Speaker 3: normalize and get to where it's going. It just takes
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  Speaker 3: a long time in college sports to get there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of decision makers. People are out for themselves.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot of different agendas. It'll get their market
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  Speaker 3: always takes care of it.
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  Speaker 2: It'll take a while though, It'll take a while, but
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  Speaker 2: like you say, it will get there. And for folks
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  Speaker 2: to say, oh my gosh, it's chaos, I'll never the
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  Speaker 2: chaos cannot continue. It can't continue like that.
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  Speaker 1: As we said last episode that they're estimating three to
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  Speaker 1: five years before it finds it's new normal. You know
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: what the most embarrassing thing is about this. The people
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: that are creating the rules won't self enforce the rules.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: That's why you have the problem that you're in. You
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: what do you mean, Well, schools create Okay, so we
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: created a body which is supposed to oversee the nil
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: payments to see if they're justified based upon marketplace. What's
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: that group done?
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Deloitte? I don't know.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like, what is that? What is that
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: group done? They set these rules up and they immediately
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: just go like, yeah, that's the rule, that's the House
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: decision rule, that's what we're going to do. And day
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: one on the other side, so it's just you create
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the rules, then you don't enforce the rule.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Well, and look, my point is Macro and that is
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: that it is our human nature to strive toward order.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: So that's the path that we're on. And finally, on
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: this date, love this February fourth, nineteen fifty seven. February fourth,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven, the Mountain of basketball team was in
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: the midst of an eleven game win streak.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Fifty seven. So Jerry's playing at this point, No, fifty seven, No,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: because he was so he red shirt at fifty seven.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Well he was freshman.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was a red shirt fifty seven, so
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: fifty eight. Okay, go ahead, keep going, keep going.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: So on this date they knocked off via My eighty
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: nine to fifty seven, then traveled to New York where
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: they defeated NYU eighty three. Seventy seven showed them. So
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: this team was, This team was twenty That team was
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: twenty five and five, twenty five and five. Okay, won
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: the Southern Conference Tournament nothing New, went to the NCAA invite,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: got beat in the first round by Canisius, got upset
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: by Canisius.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Right, the Canesians baseball team, they just keep driving around.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Sixty four to fifty six. Hot Rod was a senior
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: on that team. Do I have mine dates, right, No,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: and West was a freshman, I might be talking about fifty.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: No, No, I'd be right, you might be right. I mean,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: let me be the look. Go ahead, go ahead, keep going.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: So hot Rod was on that team. Lord Shaar was
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: the sixteen center, Fred Shouse was a coach.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta look.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: But double, okay, double?
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: So that was probably. So hot Rod was a senior
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: when Jerry was a freshman. Right, that's correct. Okay, that
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: is correct.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: So if that team and freshmen couldn't play because Brad,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: as you know, the young men at that time were
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: not capable of competing with the epperclassmen. Right, but a
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: freshman could play, and that team had West, I think
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: they might have made a little deeper run likely. Yeah.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So hot Rod, see, hot Rod was a junior
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: in fifty six, hot Rod senior in fifty seven. And
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: what day did you are you quoting?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: February fourth, nineteen fifty seven.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fifty seven, Okay, yeah, you're right. And then in
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: fifty eight, Jerry plays in fifty eight and obviously hot
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Rod's gone. Yeah, so you're right on it.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, So huntleyage twenty three points a game, but they
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: did not shoot well. Brad in the Canicius game.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Got to make shots.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Only shot like twenty three or twenty five percent lost
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: to Canicius that were upset in the first right, got.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: To make shots. H I did a shot game.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I did a thing with Steve Sabins the other night,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: did an hour podcast with him and how about them?
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: So they just needed to get outside to play. Couldn't
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: do it here this past weekend because it was like
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: North Pole. So they start calling around. They go like, hey,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: anybody got a field. So they cut a deal. They
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: cut a deal down in Charlotte. They say, you guys
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: can use it man, But like it's supposed to snow Saturday.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: So they get down there and they played. I think
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: they played to eleven innings on Friday. He says, thirty
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: some degrees kids that had the greatest time ever. And
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: it was invaluable because you just you know that base
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: running things and outside and the whole thing is just
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: different than training inside. But then the snow came, so
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: they just drove down there for one This weekend, they're
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: calling all over the place, going to a junior college
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: in Tennessee, find a place where they can go outside.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Because they're opening up on the thirteenth. They're opening up
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: in nine days. Got a three game set Georgia Southern,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: then the next weekend three Liberty, and then they opened
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: here against the reason I bring this all up, Canisius
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: is the home opener on twenty four February.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Canisia is already here. They're circling.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I asked him, I said, do you know for a
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: fact that Canisius's baseball team gets in the bus and
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: they started like the third week of February, and they
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: do a circle from Columbus through Morgantown up to State College,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: wait for the call and they just circle around and
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: like anytime anyone needs a game, they just calles like
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: uber baseball team.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah that, you know, most of his stuff is unconfirmed.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: That might be true. We did that once in basketball.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we did.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Coming back, we did that kerch of what's that? What
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: won an n game on the road.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: We were at Akron or Kent.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Ken Yeah, I think it was Kent.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Was gonna say.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Barn storming an It came back just waiting on the call.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Where we headed where we shaded stopped in the Marriotte
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: at the Pittsburgh Airport, in the parking lot to wait
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: for a call.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Now you did. I was the administrative vehicle, the chase vehicle.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I was in the administrative chase vehicle. We pulled off
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: in just a rest stop, waiting for the call, middle
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: of the night, waiting for the call. Where are you
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: going next? We came back, where's the next game at home?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Jesus?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: That was really good?
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Well, it was. That's as interesting. That was something.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Some of that we did already know. It was the
• 21:32
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• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Been brought to us by.
• 21:37
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• 21:40
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• 21:43
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• 21:46
  Speaker 2: he goes stick. He has no you think we could
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: introduce ross to a can. He when I go and
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: make the transition to a can instead of a.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Stick, that sticks easier to use.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Sometimes with a can you got to use the other
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: using a finger and things like that.
• 21:58
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• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Is it moving faster? It's not just there.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: This is February is a big month. It's a short month,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: but it gets a lot done. It gets a lot done.
• 23:00
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• 23:03
  Speaker 1: of this month of twenty eighth February.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: February is very accomplished.
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• 23:25
  Speaker 2: You know what February does. The great thing about February
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: two is like January was brutal right weatherwise, you get
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: to February and you go February is sort of like,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: hang on for twenty eight days, will knock this out.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: You know, I used to think this. I used to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: think by the third week of March everything would be okay.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: That's actually not true at all. You literally have to
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: give the entire month of April up as well.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: No, no, yes, you know, yes you do, yes, seat,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I don't live that.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Way, Hoppy. I've been to spring practice in the middle
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: of April where it is just bone chilling.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Sometimes sometimes, but you also been too March when it's
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: sixty five.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, but it's hit or miss. So what it does
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: is it tempts you like you'll get a nice day
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: and you'll think it's over. Man, it's over, but not
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: until the end of April. Can you just kind of
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: go like, yeah, but it's all good.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I'm different like once we once we hit March, Hoppy,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: like I'm good. I know it's going to be cold
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: some days. You hit March, that's an aberration. It's not
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: You've got a hunker down for the two months.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: And bind it out.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: It's behind you and it may pop up on you.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I get it, but you're through. It's lighter, longer. Get
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: me to March.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: We're good.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually give me not like I'm pretty good
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: at this point, Like we're on the downhill slope.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Now we're almost there.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Well because of February.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because in February short, Yeah, like next week's February
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: twenty eighth, we're moving on.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: It's my birthday, February twenty eighth.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Really you almost miss in there.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: No, it's not a leap year. But it wasn't wasn't
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: when I was born, right, But it is February twenty eight.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: He just snuck in out of the.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Just send hoppy gifts his birthdays coming up on February twenty.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to mention it, but it was February
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: eighty two is one to celebrate.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Thank you. At least check numbers.
• 25:02
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• 25:05
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• 26:09
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• 26:10
  Speaker 3: As we're preparing for Cincinnata the second time, it does
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: make me miss the double round robin now there would
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: be some teams in players this year that I wouldn't
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: want to see a second time. I acknowledge that, but
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I do kind of miss the double round robin.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Maybe if you could double round robin and pick the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: teams that you want to play, I.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Mean, it was a double round rob.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Interested to see how this plays out? Rock fight appropriate?
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Can I use a rock fight potential description of this one?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Because it was I thought it was that way the
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: first time around. That was there's some wild numbers. I'm
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: going to get into some of these. West Virginia was
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: fortunate to get that win here. The first thing you
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: have to look at, though, before we dive into numbers
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: is Cincinnata's health. They've got a lot of question marks
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: going on around there, Guys like and a couple of them.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Of primary interest is Kirk Cries are going to play
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: in the game. He did not play in the game
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: here in Morgantown. He's battling a shoulder that he's been
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: battling for a while sincere Harris looks like he will
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: be back. He was out seven days with an illness
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: flu related reportedly, but he's probably back. And then the
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: big one to me Mustapha cham left with an ankle
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: injury in their last game. Is he available? That changes
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: their lineup significantly. I think if they go to the
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: one big and Bobo Miller, who's really skilled and good
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: as we saw, versus the two seven footers inside. So
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: that's what I'm keeping eye on. First part of the
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: reason happy I think rock fight makes some sense here.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: These are two very good defensive teams fifth and sixth
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: and the Big twelve, and defensive points per possession per
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: game offensively the fifteenth and sixteenth in the league, and
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: offensive point per game. So points may be at a
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: premium to this as you saw in the first meeting
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: where it was the first one to sixty had the
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: best chance to win. Cincinnati still is kind of what
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: they were when they came in, and this is the
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: variance that comes with the Bearcats. We shoot as many
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: threes as almost anybody in the country, and certainly in
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: this league. They're a top eighty team in terms of
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: three point percentage. They do not shoot it well, guys,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: They're a bottom forty team in three point percentage. So
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: what are you getting when you step on the floor
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: with them? Will they continue to shoot a bunch of threes.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Will they change that approach this time. It still baffles
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: me that Baba, Miller and Chom combined for only eight
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: points here in Morgantown. I think that's a huge advantage
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: for them inside, Yet they continue to work primarily around
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: the three point line. If those are falling, you've got
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: a problem. If they're missing and you can control the glass,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: you control them. Here was a little bit of a
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: mixed bag for Cincinnati. They made a bunch of them.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: They made twelve shot a thirty four percent, a little
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: bit better than their average, but that allowed them to
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: stay in that game. West Virginia, as you mentioned, huge
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: with the three pointer, made as many threes as you
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: did twos in that game, which speaks to the difficulty
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: it is when they have both bigs in there, the
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: difficulty in getting all the way to the rim. So
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: this is going to have to be game. I think
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: you talk about other people stepping up, and Below's done
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: that often. He did it the other night with nineteen.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: They're going to have to do that in the middle
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: of the lane. But you have got to make some threes.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I think they're going to be available to you. You've
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: got to make some threes in this one.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Real bred, Why do you think they'll be available when
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati is so good defensively.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Because I think there's some matchups with their guards that
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: you can create some screens and open looks. I think
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: defensively they are very good, but they also create some
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: pockets and open up some threes. It's just the challenge
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: of getting to the rim. That's why the perimeter shots
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: should be available. Let's look at some other numbers from
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: the first meeting and then I'll kind of compare those
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: to where Cincinnati is or needs to be. The first game.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I talk about that three point attempt rate. They take
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: a ton. Sixty percent of their shots were threes fifty
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: seven to be exact, West Virginia forty eight percent of
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: its shots were threes in the first game. But West
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Virginia made forty eight percent of them. Right, there was
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: a great shooting day. You mentioned. Honor had six also
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: added to including that big one in front of the
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: bench late. Both he and Honor had those two big
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: threes within the final two minutes that allowed you to
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: take over the pace. You got it at your pace
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: sixty two possessions. So that's played at a tempo that
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: West Virginia wants Cincinnati wants to get up and down
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: the floor a little bit. But here's what's interesting. Hop
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: you controlled the pace, but they had a huge fast
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: break advantage on you. Sixteen to four advantage for the
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Bearcats on fast break points points off turnovers. And if
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: you're gonna if you were to ask me, you didn't,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: But if you were to ask me for one primary
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: key to this game, in addition to making some threes,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: you have got to get to the point where you
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: limit turnovers. If you're West Virginia, when you're playing a
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: game hobby and you're trying to limit possessions, the fact
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: that you're turning it over as much as you are,
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: it's probably remarkable that you've won the conference games that
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: you have. You're dead last right now in turnover percentage
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: in the Big Twelve. That has got to get fixed.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: In the first game, Cincinnata had an eighteen to eight
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: advantage in points off turnovers, and you still won the
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: game eighteen to eight points off turnover advantage. That's right
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: on where they are on average when Cincinnati wins games,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: they're an average of plus ten points in that category.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: To me, that is right up at the top of
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: the list against that defense. W in a game that's
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: probably going to have limited possessions, you cannot turn it
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: over like you have the last four or five games.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Number one.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Here was another fortunate aspect of that game in this category.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati had live eleven live ball turnovers in that game,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: but went one of six from three off of those
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: live ball turnovers, So they pulled up from three more
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: than half the time off a live ball turnover and
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: only made one of them. I don't know that she
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: catch those breaks again, although again I said they're having
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: trouble making their threes. Free throw attempt rate in that game,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: West Virginia was plus four on the attempts. That's about
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: dead on where Cincinnati is when they lose. They're minus
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: four and a half free throw attempts per game in
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: their losses. Here's a concerning number. Though Cincinnati had fourteen
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: more field goal attempts in West Virginia in that first meeting.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Fourteen just didn't make them pretty well because the turnovers
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: both teams are right around one point per possession, so
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: they're like flip a coin on which one has the advantage. There,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: I mentioned all of the threes. Jalen Celestine was five
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: of nine. He's kind of been a little bit of
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: a West Virginia killer. Remember at Baylor, he put up
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: five at Baylor, was there?
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Against West Virginia he had five in that game against WVU.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I mentioned Bob A Miller. That was be wonderful if
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: you could have another game in single digits. He doesn't
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: do it often in Big twelve play. It's just been
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: against West Virginia and Houston that he hasn't scored more
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: than he did just four in the first meeting. Only
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: had five field goal attempts, his lowest total of the season. Now,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: he's a skilled, multi skilled player. Six assists in the
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: first game, so they utilized him as a passer more.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: He's only had three games all season with more than four,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: but one of them was against West Virginia. Mentioned chom
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: will he or will he not heap? Will he or
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: will he not play? He was held to just the
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: four points in the first meeting. We mentioned Criso, we
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: mentioned Celesting. Here's let's talk about these numbers for a second.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: You talk about small margin for errors and some things
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: you can control and some things you can I've talked
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: about this a lot. Let's talk about on guarded catch
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: and shoot jump shots for a second. Both of these teams,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: or neither of these teams gives up very many of these.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati's third in the Big Twelve and fewest on guarded
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: catch and shoots. So hop we were just asking about that,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: you may not get many. You better take advantage of
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: the ones you get, or make tough shots, which West
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Virginia can do. Honor in particular, can make tough shots.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: West Virginia leads the Big Twelve in fewest on guarded
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: catch and shoots. So these are two of the best
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: perimeter defense in matching up where you're supposed to be.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: But here's where you get variants. And this still baffles me.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep talking about it, and maybe it doesn't
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: come all year, and then next year, by god, you're
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: due for everybody to miss against you because those eventually
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: balance out. But so far this year, teams Cincinnati's opponents,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: so they don't give up very many catch and shoots.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: When they do, teams are shooting just thirty four percent
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: from three against them on open jumpers, on open jumpers,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: on guarded catch and shoot balls, shooting thirty four percent.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: You're open, you just didn't make the shot. West Virginia's
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: opponents on unguarded catch and shoots are shooting forty seven
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: percent from three. So not just us, but everybody listening.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: When you watch the game and it feels like he's
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: open and he made the shot, that's probably true. He
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: probably did. You don't leave him open very often, fewest
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: in the league, but last in the league. And what
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: teams are shooting against you in those situations. That's a
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: massive gap. That's a thirteen percent gap on open jump
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: shots there.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: It needs to get back there.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: It needs to get better, and there's been pockets where
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: it's gotten better. Ohio State was won, West Virginia was
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: right there with the ability to win that game. That
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: was That was one. There's some others where they've just misshots.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: But overall on the season, West Virginia hasn't left many
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: shooters open, but when they do, they've made the shots. Okay,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: what else courtiable questions?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Just I guess I go back to my points, and
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: that is can you make obvious, can you make some shots?
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: And can you not start poorly? And then see what happens?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: And then these road games are tough. Obviously, Cincinnati's good
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: on their home court. I don't know, Brad, I mean,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: so what give me, Give me the formula, Give me
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: the formula for the win.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I make some threes. You've got to limit turnovers,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: and you've got to win the pace. So when they win,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: when they win, when since and in Cincinnati's wins, they're
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: one of the faster teams in the country ninety fourth
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: percentile in terms of possessions per game. When they lose,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: they're in the thirty fourth percentile. It's a difference of
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: about eight possessions per game. That matters. Now, West Virginia again,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: as I said, controlled the pace in the first game,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: but there were other numbers that win against you, but
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: you were able to sneak out of there with a win.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Free Throw attempts, the whistle is going to be important
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: again as it always is. In Cincinnati's wins, their plus
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: seven free throw attempts. In their losses, their minus four
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: and a half eleven and a half point free throw
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: attempts swing. So what's what's the officiating like? Are you
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: able to guard without fouling? Their three point attempt rate
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: goes up in wins, believe it or not. So they
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: take more threes in wins losses. It drops and they
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: shoot it even worse than they do on a normal
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: It just.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: This is I might be overemphasizing those guys, but this
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: just feels like this critical juncture. You wish you'd think
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: the Baylay game was there and you lost that. Now
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: you gotta go on the road, and then you got
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Texas Tech couple, and then you got UCF on the road.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a critical moment.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: It is season, it is this is a massively important
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: game for a couple of reasons. One, these are two
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: very similar teams. I mean, Brad, just hit you with
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: analytics and take a look at the big two twelve
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: statistics League games. Only West Virginia and Cincinnati are are
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: one and two. Not literally one and two, but they're
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: next to each other in several different categories, that's what.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: So this is evenly matched. So what decides these games?
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: You know what decides these games. Mentality decides these games
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: as much as anything else. And this has to be
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: a fight. This has to be a fight, and you
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: better bring it. Last year we went up there and
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: we fought javon small just said like, oh yeah, let's go,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: let's battle, let's fight.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: If you don't have any really won you this game
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: last year on a Sunday up there, got you out
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: of there.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: This is a This is a slug fest, and if
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: you don't bring it, these guys will beat you. These
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: guys will beat you. You got to have an attitude
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: for forty minutes on that floor, and you got to
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: be gritty, and you got to be grindy, and you've
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: got you cannot allow them one chance because as soon
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: as they pop it. This is a team that's sitting
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: on a they're on a tea or taughtter right now,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and this thing's either gonna go like this or this.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: They're eleven and eleven and everyone's on West Miller's backside.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: They're they're half in, half out. Don't know if they
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: want them or not. Like this is a golden game
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: for West Virginia. Shortest road trip of the year. You're
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: gonna fly over, be there in forty minutes, you're gonna
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: come right back, like, get this done. Don't care what
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: it looks like. Get it done, because if you don't,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you got Texas Tech in here. On Sunday you're not
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: going to be favored. You gotta go to UCF next week.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: You're not going to be favored. Get this done.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: And you got a Cincinnati team that is thinking should
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: have won in Morgantown. You know what happened there, didn't
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: make shots. Now you got a chance to get them
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: at home.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: And you got here. You got a whole sincere factor
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: in the curve factor Like as he said, Harris has
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: had the flu, hasn't played in two games. Like does
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: he come back tonight and say, Okay, I'm gonna get
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: my old team. Does he go after it and do
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: some things that either are plus or minus Creasa didn't
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: play in the last game, his shoulders still not one
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: hundred percent? What does he do? I mean, there's a
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: lot of elements. You just got to be ready to punch.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: In terms of the league, and this this is not
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: a national story West Virginia playing Cincinnati at Cincinnati, because
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: nationally it's what's Arizona doing and what's why you doing?
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: What Texas Texas doing? But it's really a big league game.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Very important for both teams, very important for both teams. Right, yes,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: what times a game seven Eastern believe it or not.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: We don't have to look and say, hey it's an
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: hour earlier or an hour back seven o'clock Eastern.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: I used to be in the time zone.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Second, we got Kansas State twice.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Make shots.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Don't turn it over our Carsonal Yeah, you see.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Both to you guys, both of you. You guys had
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: a bad feeling. Both you had a bad feeling going
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: to the Bailer game. So what's your gut? I know
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: what this is. You gave me the stats. It's very
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: it's the most relevant thing. Give me your gut.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Well that what he said. This this is a coin
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: flip game, so I can't and this one has more
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: variance than most because of both teams three point shooting, okay,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: like they if they're making a couple threes early, I've
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: got grave concerns because they just do not shoot it well.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: But if they're missing shots and they don't do a
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: great job on the offensive glass either, which is a
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: good combination. So there's some things in there that you
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: can control this game. But this is gonna be a fight.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: So mentality, he's right, that's one of those non X
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: and O things that has to factor in because you're
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: gonna have to go in there and fight. This team
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: hasn't laid down at all. For all the criticism they've received,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: for all the speculation on what's gonna happen with Wes
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Miller in the next couple weeks, this team has not
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: laid down yet. And you're gonna get I think a
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: really good punch from them. Are you ready to deliver
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: the punch back? Are? This is one of those You've
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: got to go in and take it. I don't think
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: they're gonna give you this one. You've got to go
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: in and take it like you did from them here.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: They controlled a lot of that game. I just went
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: through some of those numbers. The more you look at
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: that first game, you probably shouldn't have got out of
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: there with a win, but you found a way to
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: make a couple big shots late then stop them. You
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: got lucky that they took some shots that. I'm still
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: not sure why they took them late in that game,
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: coming out of timeouts. I'm not sure what they drew up,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: but I don't know why they did what they did
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: that benefited you. So it came down to a couple possessions.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: They didn't do that what they should you took advantage
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: of that. This is going to be one of those games.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: I think it's too.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Bad West Virginia doesn't have unlimited timeouts because Hodge is
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: really good on timeouts.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Coming out of timeouts, one of the best in the country.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Yesterday's points per possession. We've talked about that a bunch
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: on the show. One of the best out of timeouts
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: in the country, points per possession. Wise, you need like
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: twenty timeouts.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I need a fight. I want to see a fight.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: You no, you don't want to see a literal fight.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: No, I want to see I want to see a battle.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I want to see Harlan Obioha swinging himself around, knocking
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: people down, grabbing rebounds, getting and ones. I want to
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: see Chance More running his head straight into the rim.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: I want to see DJ Thomas making shots, being physical.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I want to see. That's what you gotta have. It's Tom.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: There's two important pieces. Harlan has been elite defensively in
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Big twelve play for most of the games. I mean,
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: there's been some the games against Arizona and Houston. Notwithstanding,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: he's been elite in some other games. This is another
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: one where it matters. Part of West Virginia's ability to
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: defend the pick and roll and close off the lane.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Is Jasper guarding the ball, which, as I've said for
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: the whole Big twelve season, one of the best in
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: the country. And I won't go through every guy that
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: he's stopped so far. That's important in this one. If
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: he's got Gisel James and can force James into a
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: two for eight type of performance from three, you're going
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: to be in the mix. And then Harlan's Harlan's important
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: when they try that little role. They love to start
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: games with us that role and try and lob the
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: ball up. They're probably going to start it again. They
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: started with that play last year up there, they started
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: with it this year in Morgantown. West Virginia closed both
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: of those off. Harlan is so critical to the show
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: on the guard and stop the penetration and be able
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: to fall back, and he's been elite in that category.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: This is a big Harlan and Jasper defensive game.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Can he give you a Kansas type performance?
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: You need to play man's basketball.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: The scoring will be more difficult because of their sheer
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: size and they've got the two. Assuming Chom plays Defensively,
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: you've got to have him because if you can shut
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: those guys off inside and force them to only shoot threes. Again,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: if they beat you shooting threes, so be it. It's
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: one of the worst shooting teams in America. So that's
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: what you want them to do is shoot the ball
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: from the outside, which they're inclined to do. But Harlan
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: defensively and rebounding, that's where you're going to need him
• 43:21
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• 47:20
  Speaker 1: that chicken wing contest eating contest that's kind of that's
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: coming up at Buffalo Wild Wings. All right, let's do
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: this from the by the way, Homeless Dave. Yeah, well,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: actually it's kind of a misnomer. He's got homes. He
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: sent us this picture from his place down in Monroe County.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: They got a little they got a little bit of
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: snow down there, he said, about three to four inches
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: as well as we said, Monroe County prettiest county in
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: the state of West Virginia. Just gorgeous. Not a single
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: traffic light. Who gets in county. He has bears on
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: his cameras. He sees a lot of bears. See's a
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: lot of bus they're sleeping right, Yeah, so homeless day
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: of the only guy that has five homes. Devin and Goshen,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: three gents. Interesting fact about Pete Maravich from our last show.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: He had an interview when he was twenty six years
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: old nineteen seventy four, talking about his career in the NBA,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: and he said, quote, I don't want to play ten
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: years in the NBA and di I have a heart
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: attack at age forty direct quote, which, as Hoppy said,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: is exactly what did happen.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: That's creepy.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Died when he was forty and he played in the NBA.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: How bizarre is that? That is?
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Wow? And played ten years?
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Yea, Yeah, Texter, I was listening to the Baylor Recap episode.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: In a moment of comedic coincidence, right after the line
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: about Hoppy's bladder blowing during his intro song, YouTube interrupted
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: with an ad for those above fifty years old with
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: bladder problems. Just thought i'd share how the algorithm is
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: putting in some work for you, guys.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: I thought we'd fix that.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Talking about YouTube we have on the YouTube. There's commercials
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: on the youtub's how about that now? YouTube? Now, YouTube knows,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: but you've got a bladder problems. Now it's all having
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: You're done now somewhere it news Texter three guys, Hello,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: would love to get your thoughts on the Mountaineers football
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: portal haul. Are their plans for such a show or
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: would you mind giving us a rundown? Thoughts on the
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: battle between Scotty Fox and Hawkins. The year one to
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: year two jump Scottie could take could be tremendous, but
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: another Mountaineer has several different thoughts. Thanks so much for responding, Yeah,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: we will do football very soon. By the way, driving
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: in this morning pitch dark, come down to heel rich
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Rod's car in position continues to back it into a spot.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: We'll not go, We'll not go in phase four, but
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: it was pitch black Rich Rich was on hand, he's
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: been there, but on hand.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we will dive in out. There's just again so
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: many new guys. The uh the offensive line that I mean,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: that's your early thoughts, right the offensive line again on paper,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: seems that that's a that's a big improvement from where
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: you started last year. From an experience standpoint, I think
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: you've got more options to choose from on that offensive line.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: That's I'm not breaking new ground, I realized, but early take.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Do we have a total yet? I mean, I keep
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: seeing floating numbers in at West Virginia's among the schools
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: with the most plus eighty eighty plus that's what I saw,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: which would be among the highest in the country. Correct again, correct,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: that'd be correct.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, uh, Texas, says Tony. I am one hundred
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: percent in agreement with you. I drive through campus every day.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: The one thing that stands out to me is every
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: kid has their face buried in their phone. They're all
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: within feet of each other, and no one is talking.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Baffling to me there it is, Hopy is showing exactly
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: what it looks like when you go on camp I'm sorry,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: what'd you say? Yeah, A couple other that just came
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: in Scope, spreads Dean. Fascinating to learn on Monday's episode
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: that Tom Briggs was from Syracuse, and it made an
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: old memory even more infuriating. He was probably our best
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: pass rusher in nineteen ninety two, and then the infamous
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: brawl started by Marvin Graves and then Syracuse assistant coach
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Kevin Rodgers. He didn't put Roger's name and he just
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: had Syracuse.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: I gave you the Kevin Rodgers.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: It was Briggs tossed out of the game along with
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Mike Collins and Leroy Axom. Actually David Mayfield was Leroy
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: may have gotten kicked out, but David Mayfield was a fatal,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: a fatal ejection. I was nine years old, and I
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: remember it vividly to this day. When Syracuse came back
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: to beat us on multiple pass plays, including the game
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: winner completed against Collins' backup and with Briggs' backup trying
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: to rush the passer. I received an early education on
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: conspiracy theories from the Mountaineer Faithful in the stands. Here's
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: hoping that Briggs had the opportunity to enjoy that forty
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: three to nothing revenge game the following year, signed by
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: not Charlie in Charleston.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah that was there was karma the following year.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll end with this. Brad. Last time went through
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: about how difficult it was back in the old days
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: when you would call on a rotary phone and you
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: had no idea who was going to answer. Could be Dad,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: it could be mom, It could be the person you intended. Ye,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: well this person Chris former running Rebel Rights classic Dad
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: on the phone story call potential girlfriend. Dad answers, here
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: we go, it's on now. Hello, mister such and such?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Is your daughter home? He says, yep, and hangs up.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: The right question.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I call back, mister such and such. I think we
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: got disconnected, he says, did it sound like this? Hangs
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: up again. Girl calls back, apologizes for Dad. It was
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: both terrifying and hilarious. Here's the kicker. Yeah, eventually married
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: the girl. There you go, and Dad becomes great friend
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: and employer until divorce and he fired me. But I digress. See,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: you can't.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: You can't ask if if Susie's home because he asked
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: and answered, he said yes and then hung up. Yes
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: she's home. You've got to ask could I please speak
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: with you?
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: You got to finish because you you got a lot
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: of intel on this as though you have been through
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: it may not multiple times. So I mean you got
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: to finish her, like who did you call and be
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: a perfect gentleman to and get on the phone and
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: then go on a date with or go to the problem.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: With Like I was good in that situation.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, I was.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: I had good phone etiquette, prepared, came into the thing prepared,
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: didn't just willy nilly wing it, prepared, got through. I
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: was always very good in the living rooms. I could
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: have made a good recruit.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you something?
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: In fact, probably one of my best one of my
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: best efforts was I ended up taking a girl to
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: prom that her dad was a high school basketball official.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: He happened to be on the floor of the night
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: I set the school record for three pointers made.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he be? Of course, was just before or
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: after you took it to the prom?
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I was already kind of dating her.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I got an idea, though, but you were a basketball star.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: It was easier for you.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Tell me the truth. The rest of us, just tell
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: me the truth, if you would please, when you would
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: make these phone calls? Yeah, would you write down notes
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: and have them in front of you?
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: No?
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, just wondering not I thought you might.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Know rehearsed it, knew what I was going to say
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: in the general sense, and went after but did not
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: write it down.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, would you, Tony?
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Would you agree with me that Brad had an advantage
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: because he was a high school standout athlete.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: People knew he hit brand. I mean he would have
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: been an nil guy, he would have had brand.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Meanwhile, you and I are just like if
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: you're schlapping it.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: That was a hard time period.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you mean?
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Well, it was just a hard time period, you know.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: I mean you don't know if they're available, if they're
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: not available at you interrupting dinner, and again the whole
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: thing is just forced to speak.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: You have got you got a lot of late and trauma.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: For those things that that dinner thing does come into play, because.
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: You know, how long do you think I went through
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: the debate on whind what's the right time? I don't
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: it just depended it's seven seven thirty. You can't be
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: too late. Yeah, it can be not you can't go
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: too early normally.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: First world problems.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kids today have no idea about the phone. The
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: phone challenges of our day.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Before we go away, Before we go away. Yeah, a
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: couple of things. Monday basketball game Kansas at Texas Tech.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Fantastic entertaining game to watch.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Peterson had at night.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Darren Peterson and those last two shots. Wow, how often
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: does a stud star like lift like he lifted. The
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: first three that he hit was hard because he kind
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: of stumbled, double pumped it and just cranked it and
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: that just screams NBA. And then the other one was
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: a step in from the left wing, which you know,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: but the but he just hit two absolute diggress today,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: thanks for having us.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: He has a great knack on both of those. He
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: did this. His pause was just enough that the defender
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: couldn't get off the floor. Atwell was on him on
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: the second one, and believe it was at Well and
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: he just elevated up. He paused and froze the defender
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: and then elevated up and got a clear look at
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: two big boy shots. You know, when you watch one
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: of those games and listen, we've been there, We've been
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: we've been there this season that Texas Tech is in
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: control of that game, they're at home, they're winning that game,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: they're in controlled. Then all of a sudden they walk
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: off having shake hands as the team that lost that
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: turned quickly. Now know, Christian Anderson for them was a
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: huge fact during that game when.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: You watch, like when Kansas was here and you're watching
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: Kansas and West Virginia was fortunate to win that game,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: but in Peterson had had I mean, he's still kind
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: of quietly had to think like nineteen or something right
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: brand in that game. But still you look at him
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: and go, he's different. You know, you can just see
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: he is. Even at even at the highest levels of
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: college basketball. He's different. You see it even when he's
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: not scoring. Just the way he handles himself, the way
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: he moves.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Hence why he's projected to be the number one pick
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: in the draft.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: He'll be okay, he'll do right.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Another thing.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Been a weird season with him though, Man, yeah, that
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: would be a frustrating, weird whatever's going on with him,
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: that would be absolutely maddening if you're a Kansas fan.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Maybe more maddening that he then comes and does what
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: he does when he plays thirty, but that was his that.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Was his best game.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Might be a good thirty for thirty in like eight years,
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: probably his one season at Kansas. Then people finally talk wild.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: So he came out of the game and there was
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: someone over my shoulder, look around and it was his agent.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: The agent said, you know, one of those like wow, ooh.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: Another thing thing, b Yu experiment. They got a lot
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: of money in that team this year. They got a
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: lot of money. Maybe lots of money.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe not going to get it done.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: And they're five and three and guess and guess what's coming.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Guess what's coming. They still have Houston, they still have
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: at Arizona, they have Iowa State, and they got Texas Tech. Besides,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: obviously a few others.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: League backloaded the schedule, didn't they.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, they they expected. So what's that thing turned out
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: to be for them? Is it going to be worth
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: the investment? Might be?
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: Might not be? I think again, it speaks more to
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: the depth of this league because they those those three.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: You put those three up against anybody in the league,
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: and Saunder's right and Debonsa, I mean they are right there.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: It's hard to win games, I know, I say that
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: every week it's hard to win games. You're right, that's
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: an extensive payroll and it's hard to win games.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: What do you think it is a lot?
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: They're in seventh place, they're at seven places. Guess who's
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: an eighth world champion West Virginia.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, like I said, I mean, in the win column,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: you're one behind, just a couple of like three teams.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: You're four games back of the lead.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: But you're right, I forget about the lead, talk about
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: So you're you're you're two and a half games back
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: from second place Houston.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: But you have this really difficult stretch. See what you do,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, what can you do realistically in this stretch?
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: But you know so, my point is, so does everybody else. Like,
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: we'll get through this three game stretch and then we're
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: gonna be staring down the barrel of TCU and you're
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: gonna say TCU's got some win.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: It's just that's the that's just this league. There's just
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: not a game you don't have the benefit of some
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: of these other leagues. A Big ten, the Big East
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: in the old days, where you would line up in
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Rutgers was coming in I'll due respect, but you don't
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: have one of those.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, why do you say, I mean you don't
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: even mean Rutgers used to be good when Tom Young
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Tom Young, Well, hell that was in the seventies. That's
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: fifty years.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: There were some South Florida basketball teams in the Big
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: East that would roll in. You'd say, okay, come on boys,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: there'd be some seat and Hall teams bring it in,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: say you guys still playing basketball.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Some Providence teams respect.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Some Providence teams, right, so you you had some nights
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: where you could say John's went through a period where
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: they were no good. Right, Absolutely, this particular version of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: the Big Twelve just doesn't have that. Right now, I agree,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: I agree, we'll do respect. All the other leagues in
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: college basketball have.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: We just have we decided when we're getting back together.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: No TBD, see what happens, all right, right Tuesday, See
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: what happens.
• 1:00:32
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• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: We uh, we just got this. This schedule is weird.
• 1:00:38
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• 1:00:39
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• 1:00:46
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• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: What's that environment, like it'll be good if they're if
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: they're going, it'll be good.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Very unique facility, so it's more I wouldn't call it
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: in arene. I'd say facility. Would you say facility more
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: than an arena?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know why.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: It just meant that they got that over they got
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: that overhead thing in the end zone, which kind of
• 1:01:07
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• 1:01:08
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• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like.
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• 1:01:13
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• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: be twenty plus at Houston, Like what is the what's
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: what's the vibe the.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe a good night for them, just stay home, be
• 1:01:22
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• 1:01:26
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• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah good, he's bringing he's bringing six. Yeah, Jenkins has
• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:35
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• 1:01:40
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