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Football at Four: What's Ahead for The Eagles at EDGE? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And Football and Forest powered by the Inside of the
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  Speaker 1: Birds podcast. It has brought you by the Fanatics Sports
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  Speaker 1: Book at Ocean Casino Resort in Atlantic City. And of
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  Speaker 1: course it is the opening of the league year. Not
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  Speaker 1: really kind of sort of maybe, but you don't often
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  Speaker 1: see moves that get agreed upon today change. We have
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  Speaker 1: had it happen. Frank Wor comes to mind, but not
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  Speaker 1: too many times. And a big one today for the
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  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles. We're about to get into that. Jeff Mosher
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  Speaker 1: from the Inside of the Birds podcast is here. We'll
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  Speaker 1: get his reaction to all the stuff that's happening. And
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  Speaker 1: of course the big one, Jeff, really Jalen Phillips thirty
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  Speaker 1: million bucks to go to Carolina. It sounds like a
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  Speaker 1: deal that the Eagles just could not match, and they
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  Speaker 1: have to let Phillips, a guy they really wanted to
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  Speaker 1: bring back, walk.
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  Speaker 2: Not match because you have to have a you know,
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  Speaker 2: a walkaway number and a budget for everybody.
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  Speaker 3: And this is the second straight year, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: That one team came and blew everybody else out of
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  Speaker 2: the water for a player that the Eagles had in
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  Speaker 2: their front seven. Last year it was Milton Williams and
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots twenty six million a year and this year
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  Speaker 2: Jale and Phillips had thirty million dollars a year.
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  Speaker 3: That is hard.
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  Speaker 2: There are a couple of contracts, you know, Linderbaum and
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  Speaker 2: of course the one that Trent McDuffie signed on his
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  Speaker 2: extension with the Rams.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna pay him thirty one million. There was.
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  Speaker 2: This is a direct result, by the way of not
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  Speaker 2: a lot of stars in free agency, not a lot
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  Speaker 2: of game changers.
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  Speaker 3: So the few that were were available got a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money.
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  Speaker 2: And then the future then you saw more trades being made,
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  Speaker 2: and then that money that you would typically have in
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  Speaker 2: free agency you spend on guys that you trade for.
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  Speaker 3: So the difference is this, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: Last year the Eagles had a contingency plan for losing
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  Speaker 2: Milton Williams.
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  Speaker 3: They had Jalen Carter, they had Jordan Davis, they had
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  Speaker 3: Moro Jomo.
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  Speaker 2: Right, this year you lose Jalen Phillips and now they
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  Speaker 2: have to pivot to a contingency plan.
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  Speaker 3: Because they just don't have an in house rue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean thirty million dollars. I don't think anybody
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  Speaker 1: out there saying, why would you lay it? Similar to
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  Speaker 1: what happened last year with Josh Swett and Milton Williams.
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  Speaker 1: I think everybody liked Williams. Everybody likes Sweat. But but
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  Speaker 1: the amount of money they got, it was understandable why
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles made the decision. This seems to fall in
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  Speaker 1: the same category. They really wanted Williams back, but they
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  Speaker 1: knew they couldn't pay twenty five million in this spot.
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  Speaker 1: This guy got thirty million dollars to leave. So in
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  Speaker 1: your mind, last year they tried to go with Milton,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, with Hunt and Smith. Did they have to
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  Speaker 1: sign somebody in free agency or do they try with
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  Speaker 1: Hunt and Smith again?
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  Speaker 2: No, No, they have to. There's no question that they
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  Speaker 2: have to. They're either going to have to address this
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  Speaker 2: now with what's left in free agency, and there are
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  Speaker 2: still some there are good players left. Pass rushers. There's
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  Speaker 2: guys like boy A Mafe, There's guys like a dafe Owa.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's some guys. Or they're gonna have
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  Speaker 2: to do it through the trade market, obviously. Jonathan Gernard
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  Speaker 2: from the Vikings, this is the name that's been floated
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  Speaker 2: out there. He's a good pass rusher. They'll probably want
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  Speaker 2: a new contract. But they're going to have to get
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  Speaker 2: in on this in some form or fashion. They cannot
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  Speaker 2: go into next year, and I don't think the plan
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  Speaker 2: is to go into next year with just Jylex Hunt,
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  Speaker 2: Nolan Smith. You know, maybe Brandon Grant coming back and
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  Speaker 2: even drafting a guy is not a short shot to
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  Speaker 2: come in and have an immediate impact.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So then let's try to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: some of the stuff about the noise around Jalen Carter.
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  Speaker 1: Does it make any sense to you that his name
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  Speaker 1: would come up now? Doesn't mean the Eagles are calling
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  Speaker 1: people and saying, hey, give us a call. It feels
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  Speaker 1: like people are doing what I did, connecting some dots
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  Speaker 1: to h They might be interested in moving on from him,
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  Speaker 1: Let's give them a call.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's this time of the year.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, as soon as you have a player of Jaalen
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  Speaker 2: Carter's stature, right who Once you get back from the
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  Speaker 2: combine three four or five days passes and you notice
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  Speaker 2: that a player of that stature has not agreed to
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  Speaker 2: a contract extension, then you're going to start having gms.
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  Speaker 3: Who are you know, they're always having these conversations or
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  Speaker 3: conversations at the combine I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Sure calling and inquiring on what's the deal there?
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  Speaker 3: Are you not extending this guy? Is he on the
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  Speaker 3: trade block?
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  Speaker 2: You know the Eagles don't want to give him away
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  Speaker 2: for sure, And I would still think.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about this on inside the Birds this morning.
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  Speaker 2: I still think there's a better than chance that he's
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  Speaker 2: with the Eagles than not.
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  Speaker 3: But you never know.
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  Speaker 2: You have to take into the account if Jill and Carter. Ordinarily,
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  Speaker 2: this kind of guy is a guy that Eagles would
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  Speaker 2: have locked up immediately ran ready, but you know he didn't.
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  Speaker 2: He had the shoulder problem last year, shoulders problem. He
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  Speaker 2: also got ejected from a game. He's had some injuries
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  Speaker 2: through college, right, He's had some off the field issues.
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  Speaker 2: And so before you go and commit one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: something million dollars to this guy, you got to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that he's going to for fill that just like
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  Speaker 2: they did with Jordan Davis, right, I mean, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: sign him. Maybe they picked up the fifth year option
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  Speaker 2: and then they made him go prove this past year
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  Speaker 2: that he was worthy of the big time extension. So
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  Speaker 2: there's a chance that Jalen Carter maybe doesn't even get
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  Speaker 2: an extension this year.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they wait until next year. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: There's a chance that the he does get it this year.
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  Speaker 2: After the next few days they decided it's better to
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  Speaker 2: do it now. But obviously, in this situation, he's going
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  Speaker 2: to be a name where people are gonna call around
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  Speaker 2: and say, hey, I know there's no extension, what's going
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  Speaker 2: on here?
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  Speaker 3: Is he available?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously we'll keep an eye on that. And I would
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  Speaker 1: be not shocked because of what you said the shoulder thing.
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  Speaker 1: Do they trust giving him thirty five to forty million dollars?
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  Speaker 1: Where does this go to? If the Eagles don't extend him.
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  Speaker 1: Now he goes into the season and you're thinking, all right,
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  Speaker 1: well you pay Jalen Carter, what about Jaden Jordan Davis?
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  Speaker 1: What about me? And this could turn into a whole
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  Speaker 1: aga type of situation at some point, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think the Eagles are all that excited about that. Brings
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  Speaker 1: us to aj Brown.
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  Speaker 2: Well, real quick, real quick, I just want to say,
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  Speaker 2: let's I think a good barometer for what's going on
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  Speaker 2: will be what happens with Morowa Jomo if he winds
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  Speaker 2: up signing an extension in the next two or three days,
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  Speaker 2: and that means you have Jordan Davis under extension and
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  Speaker 2: Morowa Jomo under extension. It might put out a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of a radar that they're not going to fully
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  Speaker 2: commit to Joe and Carter, at least not this offseason.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's go to AJ Brown. What has
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  Speaker 1: changed from maybe Wednesday, Thursday, Friday to now anything?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think something big has changed in favor potentially
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  Speaker 2: of the Eagles, and that's Mike Evans is now signed
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  Speaker 2: with the forty nine Ers. Wandale Robinson has now signed
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  Speaker 2: with the Titans. Alec Pearce has re signed with the Colts.
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  Speaker 2: So you tell me now that the Patriots have already
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  Speaker 2: moved on from Stefan Diggs, who their playing is to
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  Speaker 2: catch passes for them in two thousand and twenty six,
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  Speaker 2: Because you can't go to the Super Bowl and still
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  Speaker 2: have a quarterback on a rookie deal and then expect
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  Speaker 2: to go back to the super Bowl when Mac Hollins
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  Speaker 2: is your leading wide receiver. That's just not a realistic world.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sure Robert Kraft would never put up with that.
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  Speaker 2: So to me, that only intensifies New England's desire to
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  Speaker 2: get a deal done soon. Here for AJ Brown if
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be the ones, and that could happen
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  Speaker 2: any moment now.
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  Speaker 1: Could be And you're right the peer stuff Mike Evans
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  Speaker 1: three years, sixty million dollars by the way to go
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  Speaker 1: to the forty nine ers. So we'll see what this
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  Speaker 1: means for aj Brown. Two of the top wide receivers
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  Speaker 1: are off the board, plus Wandell Robinson is off the
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  Speaker 1: board as well. So what does that mean for Howie
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  Speaker 1: Roseman's phone? What do you make Jeff? We talked a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about this, I think on Wednesday with you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there are some thoughts of this post June first,
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  Speaker 1: and there's no post June first trade, and at the
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  Speaker 1: Eagle would benefit more if they trade him after June first,
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  Speaker 1: but that's a tough time of the year to try
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  Speaker 1: to make that kind of trade.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 2: There was a report from Mike garralfalo of from NFL
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  Speaker 2: Media and he said that how he was trying to
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  Speaker 2: be very creative here in working on a deal where
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  Speaker 2: some of it would be done before June first, but
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  Speaker 2: then completed after. Obviously he would love to be able
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  Speaker 2: to mitigate the financial ramifications of it.
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  Speaker 3: There are the cap ramifications as much as possible. So
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  Speaker 3: we'll see if.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, listen, if there's gonna be somebody who can figure
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  Speaker 2: this out, it's going to be Howie Roseman.
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  Speaker 1: That is true, all right, So what happens now? It's
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  Speaker 1: four to ten football at four Jeff Mosher read Blanket
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  Speaker 1: Ship and Dallas Goddard have not signed anywhere. Is that
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  Speaker 1: good news for Philadelphia?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't read too much into that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the market is those guys weren't maybe the
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  Speaker 2: upper crust of free agency for different reasons. You know,
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  Speaker 2: read blanket Ship. You know, I don't think there is.
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  Speaker 2: He's like one of those special free agents. Then Kobe
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  Speaker 2: Dean obviously has an injury history. Dallas Goddard is a
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  Speaker 2: little bit older and has some injury history.
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  Speaker 3: So I think the.
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  Speaker 2: Teams that wanted to commit a lot of money to
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  Speaker 2: get their big time player are doing that, and then
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  Speaker 2: you'll start to see the secondary market.
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  Speaker 3: We'll start to settle it's out, since settle itself out soon.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I definitely wou'd be interesting to see what
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  Speaker 1: happens with Goddard here we just all Isaiah likely off
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  Speaker 1: the board. He goes to the Giants. We saw Brian
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  Speaker 1: Cook of safety. He's going to Cincinnati. So what happens
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  Speaker 1: with Red Blanket ship? Keep an eye on some of
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  Speaker 1: the movement there. Obviously, let's go back to Phillips here
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  Speaker 1: and some of the names. Grenard from Minnesota, boy A
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  Speaker 1: Mafe as you kind of mentioned him there. It's not
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  Speaker 1: a great class. Did they stop you?
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  Speaker 3: Can I stop you? Nature of the interview? Boy Mafe
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  Speaker 3: just signed with the Bengals.
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  Speaker 1: There we go as we're having this conversation, so he
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  Speaker 1: is now off the board. Even strengthens what I was
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  Speaker 1: about to say here. Do the Eagles go to the
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  Speaker 1: next level up to Trey Hendrickson or do they go
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  Speaker 1: below Phillips and just try to find someone else with
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  Speaker 1: hope that Jalx Hunt and Nolan Smith take that next step.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great question, Mike. I mean, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: the pool is thinning out here. Mafe's off the board.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Oway is a good pass rusher, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't think you put him in the jail.
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  Speaker 3: And Phillips. I think what they're gonna have to do
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  Speaker 3: is you're right, you're probably.
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  Speaker 2: Not gonna get a player as good as Jalen Phillips.
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  Speaker 2: Now you are expecting je ex Hunt to take a
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  Speaker 2: step up. Well, I imagine they want Nolan Smith. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: of course, they want Nolan Smith to take another step up.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's been injured, he had the adel, the injuries.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't as impactful last year as I hope. But
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna have to keep it heading and hope that
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  Speaker 2: the guys that they draft or whoever they traded for
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  Speaker 2: continue to develop as well. I think the trademarket is
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  Speaker 2: really something they're gonna have to look for.
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  Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb too, another guy who.
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  Speaker 3: Bradley's a good one. Yeah, I forgot to mention that
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  Speaker 3: that's a good one.
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  Speaker 1: Too, has ties to Fangio as well, So keep that.
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  Speaker 1: Keep that in mind there now, Johana Dotson, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of Eagles fans are boo who in
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  Speaker 1: that he left. But if you lose aj Brown and Dotson,
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  Speaker 1: is Darius Cooper a guy that they would have won
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  Speaker 1: a bigger role for or would they then need to
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  Speaker 1: find two wide receivers both?
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  Speaker 2: I mean they I mean you can't if they need
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  Speaker 2: wide receivers, they need a natural slot receiver. In my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if Darius Cooper is that even though
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  Speaker 2: they would play him there last year in certain situations.
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  Speaker 2: I think that there will absolutely look for him to see,
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  Speaker 2: you know, have another strong camp, make a big step
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  Speaker 2: next year. But the bottom line is guys under contract.
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  Speaker 2: You said, assuming a J. Brown is not here and
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  Speaker 2: it gets traded, would be Devontae Smith.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, and.
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  Speaker 2: Not only Cooper, but who's the six for seven guys
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  Speaker 2: Johnny Wilson, right, I mean we're talking about there's just
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  Speaker 2: not enough names here, you know, like not enough proven names.
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  Speaker 2: They need to aggressively phil holes in free agency just
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have to be the biggest names. A couple of
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  Speaker 2: one or three year deals and then drafted that position
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Boscher Football at four for the Inside the Birds podcast.
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  Speaker 1: And of course they've got plenty of free agent stuff
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  Speaker 1: happening here, as do we. I thought it was interesting
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  Speaker 1: the Raiders. I got to give them credit for the
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  Speaker 1: first time. The Raiders are like, you know what, instead
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  Speaker 1: of getting like a wide receiver or quarterback, let's go
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  Speaker 1: with a center on the offensive line. Tyler Lindenbaum another
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  Speaker 1: big name that signs Isaiah likely the tight end he
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  Speaker 1: goes to the Giants. Wandell Robinson, the slot receiver. He
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  Speaker 1: goes to the Titans. So there's a couple of moves
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  Speaker 1: going there. You just mentioned mafe he goes to Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 1: They also get Brian Cook. So there's a lot happening. Now.
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  Speaker 1: It got off to a little bit of a slow staress.
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  Speaker 2: What guess what, odafe Oway has signed with the Commanders.
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  Speaker 1: So I was gonna say Washington and Dallas have not
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  Speaker 1: done anything.
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  Speaker 3: Well, listen, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough for the Eagles here seeing Mafan and
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  Speaker 2: Oa go off.
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  Speaker 3: And I think I said to see you last week.
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  Speaker 2: The teams you have to fear in free agency, and
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  Speaker 2: this has become true are the teams that have quarterbacks
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  Speaker 2: that they're believe in right on rookie deals. Okay, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how much the Panthers really believe in Bryce Young,
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  Speaker 2: but the point is they made.
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  Speaker 3: The playoffs, they won their division.
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  Speaker 2: They have a ton of money to spend because they
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  Speaker 2: don't pay they're not paying Bryce Young a whole lot.
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  Speaker 2: The Commanders are still on a rookie deal with uh
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  Speaker 2: what's his face? With Jayden Daniels. The Raiders you mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: they just blew everybody the doors off the center market
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  Speaker 2: because they're about to draft quarterback number one and have him.
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  Speaker 2: They even paid a lot of money for Jalen Nayeler,
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  Speaker 2: And you know the Eagles don't. They have a quarterback
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  Speaker 2: who's getting more expensive by the day. And when you're
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  Speaker 2: doing valuation versus evaluation, and you're smart, you don't just
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  Speaker 2: overpay because other teams come calling for your guys.
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  Speaker 3: But it is a bitter pill to swallow when these
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  Speaker 3: teams and.
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  Speaker 2: The Eagles were in this position a couple of years
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  Speaker 2: ago too. You know when they signed Javon Argrave to
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  Speaker 2: market resetting money, that's because Jalen Hurts was on it
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  Speaker 2: a rookie deal, right, So, and the same thing in
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  Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, they signed a bunch of free agents from
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  Speaker 2: Carson was on a rookie deal, including what's his face, Alshon,
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey and a couple other guys. So the point is,
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  Speaker 2: this is the way it works in the NFL. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles are really in trouble now with this pass
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  Speaker 2: rushing station.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll see what happens next. Jeff Mocher
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  Speaker 1: from the Inside the Birds podcast, I know you got
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  Speaker 1: to run. They got a lot going on over at
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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds dot Com, check it all out football
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  Speaker 1: at for all week here on free agency.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks Man, all right, Mike, thanks