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Patriots Unfiltered 3/12: Reported Free Agent Signings and Analysis of Mac Jones Trade · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: The World's a Vigeon podcast. Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. Evan,
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna be going to Drake May's pro day as
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  Speaker 2: well as Jaden Daniels are. We gonna have to keep
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  Speaker 2: a leash on you, though, because you can't be like
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  Speaker 2: running out there and running break off at the stem.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta stack them.
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  Speaker 4: So maybe I'll get like a radar gun and put
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  Speaker 4: it like right behind him and get the mph.
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  Speaker 2: Can you get a radar gun through PSA?
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  Speaker 5: Is that?
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  Speaker 3: Obviously?
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  Speaker 4: Texas Bart was like, gosh, down's good. Who the heck
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  Speaker 4: is this quarterback? And that's when he tells me his
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  Speaker 4: autobiography of Drake May and.
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  Speaker 6: The shotn't just be a biography.
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  Speaker 2: I hope the best for him. It's a human being.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, do you hope Zach Wilson does?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you don't they do? Both things are true. Mac
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  Speaker 2: is not good and the team did everything they could
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  Speaker 2: to ruin them.
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  Speaker 3: My question is I can kiss that guy in the lips.
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  Speaker 8: We'll just power through it.
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  Speaker 3: Because Mike made some really good it's rare. Everybody has
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  Speaker 3: to defense.
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  Speaker 2: Mad yea, hopefully.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like Mike has been pounding the table about
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  Speaker 5: the lack of depth on the defense all season long
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  Speaker 5: and just.
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  Speaker 4: Pointing the finger at the on of the team.
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  Speaker 9: There's so many holes that need to be filled better.
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  Speaker 4: I would say holes are like with a small.
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  Speaker 8: It's just not a capital again, and it's early, but
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  Speaker 8: you know, just when I you know, I got to
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  Speaker 8: be honest, there's a list of guys that you kind
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  Speaker 8: of like, and most of those guys that I like
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  Speaker 8: that I thought fitter are kind of gone now.
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  Speaker 6: So it is what it is. I don't think that
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  Speaker 6: it's you know, you make you make.
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  Speaker 4: Some some really good points. And I don't mean that
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  Speaker 4: sarcastically because you know. To me right now, I look
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  Speaker 4: at what's happened so far in free agency for the
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  Speaker 4: Patriots and I say, who signed with another team that
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  Speaker 4: you were really interested in them going after? And I
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  Speaker 4: don't really see a lot of names that have come
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  Speaker 4: off the board yet where I'm like, wow, that was
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  Speaker 4: a miss. You know, not signing Calvin Ridley would be
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  Speaker 4: a miss in my opinion, not signing one of the
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  Speaker 4: top tackles that are in free agency would be a miss.
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  Speaker 4: What I have paid Christian Wilkins one hundred and ten
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  Speaker 4: million dollars to then turn around and hand Christian bar
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  Speaker 4: Moore one hundred and ten million dollars Probably not so
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  Speaker 4: Like there's just those things are but you the edge
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  Speaker 4: rushers that made it.
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  Speaker 8: You made it good, like Armstrong from the Cowboys, like
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  Speaker 8: Grenard Who who signed a big deal almost immediately. You know,
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  Speaker 8: just a couple of guys that I think would really
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  Speaker 8: make a nice Bookend three with with with.
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  Speaker 4: Judniky good player.
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  Speaker 3: Ency. In general, there's been a lot of movement, but
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  Speaker 3: not a lot of splashes.
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  Speaker 10: Like there have been a lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 10: guys changing teams, especially the wide The running backs just
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  Speaker 10: seemed to be like changing socks.
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  Speaker 3: Like you know, it's do you.
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  Speaker 10: Want Aaron Jones or do you want you know, Josh
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  Speaker 10: Jacobs Josh Jacobs, and you know they just decided, well,
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  Speaker 10: we'd rather have Josh Jacobs and Aaron Jones won't take
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  Speaker 10: our numbers, so that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: You let him go. Then he signs with Minnesota. Like
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  Speaker 3: all these teams just seem to be.
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  Speaker 10: Trading running backs, but you don't see the big deals
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  Speaker 10: for you know that those top tackles Tyron Smith and
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  Speaker 10: and and Jonah Wins and you don't see why wide
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  Speaker 10: receivers kind of all got done before free agency started,
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  Speaker 10: so retaining you know, you're seeing minor moves with like
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  Speaker 10: Darnell Mooney, I think got three and thirty nine. You know,
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  Speaker 10: I think anybody would love to have Calvin Ridley at
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  Speaker 10: a number like that. You're not you know, it's probably
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  Speaker 10: not gonna happen, so I think it has. I think
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  Speaker 10: Evan's point about the best players haven't moved yet.
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  Speaker 3: You know that they're.
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  Speaker 10: Really top, I mean on the offensive side of you know,
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  Speaker 10: you know that the Patriots would be interested in Yeah,
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  Speaker 10: Like that's the way you put it, Like the not
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  Speaker 10: that the best players haven't moved. You put it, what
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  Speaker 10: player would you be really wanting pounding the table for
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  Speaker 10: it that has moved? Yeah, if you were the Patriots,
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  Speaker 10: and I think you can make an argument that really
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  Speaker 10: none of them, no, And that's that's why I just
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  Speaker 10: brought up the defense.
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  Speaker 8: But probably a good spot to bring up Antonio Gibson,
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  Speaker 8: who you know, just seems to fill that need that
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  Speaker 8: they haven't really had since they lost James White with
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  Speaker 8: you know, a legit receiving back who you know, again,
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  Speaker 8: it's that model that I like. He's like twenty six,
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  Speaker 8: just coming off his first contract. He's at a good age,
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  Speaker 8: so I you know, I like that signing. I think
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  Speaker 8: it was necessary. And we talked a lot about how
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  Speaker 8: are they going to tap this free agency running back class?
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  Speaker 8: And I think you made a great point Paul, that
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  Speaker 8: like that's the group that went first. And you know,
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  Speaker 8: we talk about the draft too, where it's you know,
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  Speaker 8: not really top heavy, but there's you know, guys throughout
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  Speaker 8: that have skill sets.
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  Speaker 6: So just kind of points the direction of what where
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  Speaker 6: they're going.
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  Speaker 10: To that point, you know, Washington said we're gonna let
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  Speaker 10: Gibson go even though Gibson's caught forty plus passes three
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  Speaker 10: years in a row, and we're just gonna sign Austin
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  Speaker 10: Eckler to replace him. You know, some of the kind
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  Speaker 10: of you know, probably more of a multi threat. Gibson
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  Speaker 10: had one really good year as a runner. He had
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  Speaker 10: a thousand yards last year. He had career lows in attempts,
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  Speaker 10: yards and touchdowns last year as a runner, but career
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  Speaker 10: highs in receptions and yards receiving yards.
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  Speaker 6: So there's a little bit more of a swing.
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  Speaker 8: Like, yeah, you know, he's got a major injury his
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  Speaker 8: but if you hit on him and he stays healthy,
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  Speaker 8: then it's a better move.
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  Speaker 6: But there are you know, there are some complications.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. The one thing I like about Gibson is, obviously
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  Speaker 4: besides the skill set, is the fact that he's only
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  Speaker 4: twenty five years old. I think some of these other
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  Speaker 4: running backs that did get moved were a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more expensive and also a little bit older, or at
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  Speaker 4: least had more touches under their belt where they are
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  Speaker 4: going to get, you know, grinded down a little bit more.
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  Speaker 4: But I think the running back market is interesting because
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  Speaker 4: all this to meet connects to draft classes, and the
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  Speaker 4: running back draft class is not very good. At the top.
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  Speaker 4: So a lot of these teams are moving on these
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  Speaker 4: big name running backs in this class of free agents,
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  Speaker 4: whereas last year none of these guys could get long
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  Speaker 4: term deals, so now they're all signing for multiple years.
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  Speaker 4: I think wide receiver is the opposite where Calvin Ridley
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  Speaker 4: can't get the deal he wants because I think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of teams look at it and say, we could
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  Speaker 4: sign Calvin Ridley for eighteen million dollars a year, or
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  Speaker 4: we could draft lad McConkey in the second round and
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  Speaker 4: probably get a similar player as Calvin Ridley, so.
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  Speaker 3: They get a big pat in the back from Fred Kirsh.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you could use whatever. I mean, there's fifteen of them,
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  Speaker 4: so you could use whatever example at receiver that you want.
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  Speaker 4: I think this wide receiver market's learning that it's it's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be tough for these guys to get top of
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  Speaker 4: market money when this receiver class is so stack. So
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  Speaker 4: I think it works both ways.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I think for the Patriots too, though Ridley would make
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  Speaker 8: sense to me because they don't want to have to
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  Speaker 8: find that guy in the first two rounds. Like I mean,
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  Speaker 8: I'm sure that they could to your point, but to
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  Speaker 8: be able to focus on quarterback and not missing out
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  Speaker 8: on this tackle class, and then you can maybe take
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  Speaker 8: a swing in the third round. But those guys, you know,
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  Speaker 8: there's gonna be some questions about guys in the third round.
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  Speaker 8: So I think you know, for the Patriots to maybe
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  Speaker 8: over extend a little bit and take Ridley, you know
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  Speaker 8: you have a proven NFL performer. Is he that number one?
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  Speaker 8: Maybe just below that, But.
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  Speaker 4: You want to have a foundation for the rookie quarterback
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  Speaker 4: of some proven NFL commodities. You can't have him step
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  Speaker 4: into an offense where you're expecting the rookie and then
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  Speaker 4: two rookie receivers to all of a sudden blossom in
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  Speaker 4: year one together. You have to have some sort of
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  Speaker 4: veteran competence that he's gonna step in and he's gonna
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  Speaker 4: have Ridley, he's gonna have Kendrick Bourne, he's gonna have
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  Speaker 4: Hunter Henry. And then you hope that Jalen Polk turns
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  Speaker 4: into a great player. You hope that Xavier Leget turns
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  Speaker 4: into a great player, but you can't bank on that
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  Speaker 4: river being great.
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  Speaker 2: They one is the tackle class deep enough where you
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  Speaker 2: could wait till the third round.
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  Speaker 8: I mean like there are there, there would be guys,
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  Speaker 8: but I think that it's not going to be this
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  Speaker 8: guy should be starting by middle of the season kind of,
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  Speaker 8: you know, I think that's probably where you're getting at
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  Speaker 8: and you know, in the middle of the second round.
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  Speaker 8: But even then it's it's it's hard, I mean, everything's
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  Speaker 8: everything's kind of jockeying right now with you know who's
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  Speaker 8: going where and mock drafts and all that.
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  Speaker 6: It's hard to know what to believe.
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  Speaker 2: Is because it certainly the wide receiver class is keep
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  Speaker 2: enough in the second.
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  Speaker 4: Round, right, you can steep enough through the entire top
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  Speaker 4: one hundred. Yeah, Like I think that you know, if
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  Speaker 4: you took a receiver and now they also have what
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  Speaker 4: one oh four in the fourth rounds, that's kind of
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  Speaker 4: a top one hundred pick two. If you took the
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  Speaker 4: receivers in the third and fourth rounds, those two guys
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  Speaker 4: are probably gonna be guys that would have been higher
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  Speaker 4: picks in other years. So I think you can really
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  Speaker 4: get at sixty eight, especially a guy that that could
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  Speaker 4: come in and make an incident impact at that spot.
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  Speaker 4: Whereas at tackle after the Patrick Paul Kingsley sue my tie,
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  Speaker 4: that sort of.
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  Speaker 6: Tier, Jordan Morgan.
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  Speaker 4: It drops off pretty significantly to like the Blake Fishers
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  Speaker 4: and the kid from Yale and you know those types
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  Speaker 4: of players. I'm not going to try to pronounce the
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  Speaker 4: Yale kids.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, Chris, Chris upstairs, Cassie was trying to pronounce it
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  Speaker 8: earlier and got nothing for you, dude, kid from the
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  Speaker 8: kid from Yale.
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  Speaker 2: What do we think of the Kirk Cousins deal?
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  Speaker 6: Kirk Cousins asked how much money has he made?
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  Speaker 10: I mean close to he absolutely, it's in the NFL
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  Speaker 10: like first ballot, Hall of Famer and contract negotiations. I
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  Speaker 10: think it's an incredible move for Atlanta. I think it's
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  Speaker 10: a great move, great signing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: I mean they've got some good young weapons, you know,
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  Speaker 8: with with Drake London and you know, Kyle Pitts and
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  Speaker 8: Jean Robinson and I mean there's some pieces in place there.
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  Speaker 8: But I think the question with Kirk Cousins is we
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  Speaker 8: you know, we've seen him with talented talent around him before.
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  Speaker 8: It's you know, can he win the big games? Can
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  Speaker 8: he get over the hump? And I mean I think
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  Speaker 8: it's a favorable setting though down in the AFC South
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  Speaker 8: with you know, Baker Mayfield and you know all those things.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, certainly Houston looks like so the a SE,
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  Speaker 8: but you know, in the NFC, I think that it's
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  Speaker 8: it's it's wide open down there. So it's I mean,
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  Speaker 8: I think what Paul said, they could run the show
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  Speaker 8: down there if they if they're smart about it.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, people are saying that they knew that
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots were going to sign Jakobe Brissett. But was
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  Speaker 2: there some interest in Baker Mayfield.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: He never got to market, so it's tough to sign up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I think there would have been if he was at
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  Speaker 4: Monday at noon he was a free agent, I think
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  Speaker 4: that there would have been, but not at that number.
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  Speaker 4: They're not paying them that kind of money.
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  Speaker 6: But it isn't the deal kind of structured straight.
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  Speaker 4: It's a two it's a two year deal. It's it
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  Speaker 4: was announced as a three year deal. It's really like
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  Speaker 4: a two year, sixty million dollar contract.
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  Speaker 5: But also I feel like if you went after Baker
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  Speaker 5: like he's gonna want to be the starter, he's not
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  Speaker 5: going to be want to be a mentor leader, help
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  Speaker 5: the rookie and then hand it over to him.
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  Speaker 10: I think, oh no, he's your quarterback if you signed
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  Speaker 10: and then you know, Fred back to your thing about Brissett.
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  Speaker 10: If they did sign Baker Mayfield, then I'm not guaranteeing
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  Speaker 10: to take a quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I agree, Right, I agree.
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  Speaker 3: Percent it's different, Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 10: You know, I would never say one hundred percent because
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  Speaker 10: I've been wrong too many times to do that.
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  Speaker 3: But big the biggest thing.
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  Speaker 8: And I don't know if normal is the right word,
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  Speaker 8: but it just or maybe common sense is the word.
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  Speaker 8: Like that's what yesterday felt to me, Like all right,
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  Speaker 8: you have you know, and everybody's like, oh four and thirteen,
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  Speaker 8: team just run it back. But the guys that they
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  Speaker 8: re signed were guys that have performed well like Hunter Henry.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, there were just no other options. Kendrick Bourne.
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  Speaker 3: Is it's appreciated that asset Kendrick Bourne a lot more
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  Speaker 3: than No. I just tell you that.
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  Speaker 6: I just think I think it's a worthwhile deal.
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  Speaker 8: You know, I think it's a worthwhile deal off a
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  Speaker 8: guy who's got a good personality. You're not I mean,
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  Speaker 8: what it's a four million guaranteed, it's not you know,
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  Speaker 8: you're not burning money.
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  Speaker 2: Getting your fourth receiver. I'm fine, And that's what the role.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the role that's totally different.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the role.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to have a fourth receiver. They just
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  Speaker 2: sign one. I think today it doesn't matter what he
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  Speaker 2: is today because we're not playing a third receiver right now,
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  Speaker 2: or really kind of the second.
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  Speaker 6: I mean it's the other outside. No, I don't know.
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  Speaker 10: That's gonna be whoever replaces theft, but I'm asking who's oh,
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  Speaker 10: well today now it's it's probably Kendrick Bourne is one.
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  Speaker 2: We're not playing.
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  Speaker 3: So you need to add three receivers to get value
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  Speaker 3: what you're saying.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, two to at least one.
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  Speaker 2: And then you get think Pop Pop Douglas is ahead
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  Speaker 2: of them.
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  Speaker 3: You think Pop Douglas is a better player than Kendrick Bourne.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, now, and I think he has more upside And I.
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  Speaker 3: Really don't like this signing.
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  Speaker 6: No, I think they're different players. I think I think
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  Speaker 6: they are.
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  Speaker 3: Douglas Pop Douglas is just.
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  Speaker 8: Is going to be a little slot who you know,
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  Speaker 8: you bring on on third and long or whatever.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I I'm I think that they're gonna they're gonna hopefully
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  Speaker 8: get a number one and then you know, they get
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  Speaker 8: Calvin Ridley and we can debate about number one, but.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna have what what like six receivers on the roster, probably.
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  Speaker 4: Five or six.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And then you got and and Kendrick Bourne
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  Speaker 2: is one of them.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, you got Kayshawn Booty with some kind of
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  Speaker 8: legal matters hanging over his head with.
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  Speaker 10: You don't see the difference there, No, if he's the
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  Speaker 10: only If everyone if right and they get Calvin Ridley
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  Speaker 10: and draft a guy in the second round, I'm all,
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  Speaker 10: I'm in.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. If if Kendrick Bourne is the best receiver
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  Speaker 2: on your roster, we're in big trouble.
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  Speaker 3: But that's what he is today.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but it's March. Yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't need we can't, we can't draft.
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  Speaker 10: I don't need to invest money into my fourth receiver.
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  Speaker 10: Point I don't love you have to pay.
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  Speaker 2: The fourth receiver.
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  Speaker 4: Not that it's.
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  Speaker 8: Not that much money, but I think this is a sud.
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  Speaker 10: Worried about Well, I've always been worried about money, except
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  Speaker 10: I've never been worried about the cap.
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  Speaker 3: There's a difference.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it's not your money, so don't worry about it,
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  Speaker 2: but it.
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  Speaker 3: Is theirs, and they stopped spending it at some point.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, if they, if they are really this is not
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  Speaker 7: a very difficult I know. If they, if they are
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  Speaker 7: happy or satisfied or content or willing to settle with
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  Speaker 7: Born as their number one receiver, then let's start over.
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  Speaker 2: But let's start over.
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  Speaker 8: But again, this guy, you can't payte for eighty catches
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  Speaker 8: and like eight touchdown.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he's coming out. He was on a pace
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  Speaker 6: for a year.
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  Speaker 2: I'm perfectly Paul was. That's it. We spent the money
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  Speaker 2: on Born. We can't spend anymore.
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  Speaker 4: And why you can't. You can't You never happened before.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Now you can't see that because we've never seen this,
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: regu It's not their money to spend, as you taught
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: me very well twenty years ago, it's not their decision
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: to make. I would be very surprised if we go
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: into the twenty twenty four season with Kendrick Bourne as
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: w R one.
• 14:22
  Speaker 10: I do not have a problem with the money they
• 14:25
  Speaker 10: gave Kendrick Bourne. That's not an exorbitant contract. What I'm
• 14:30
  Speaker 10: worried about is them not being able to get the
• 14:33
  Speaker 10: guys they want to slide him down the depth chart. Okay,
• 14:37
  Speaker 10: if he If they do, then I don't understand why
• 14:40
  Speaker 10: he's here. If they get a Ridley and Worthy, give
• 14:45
  Speaker 10: me a chuck, give me a late first second round
• 14:48
  Speaker 10: Xavier Worthy. Sure, okay, then I don't really need Kendrick
• 14:52
  Speaker 10: Bourne on my roster.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Yes you do.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: I don't you you too, That's fine. I don't because
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: I'm fine going.
• 14:58
  Speaker 10: With a guy like Ridley or you know, let's get
• 15:02
  Speaker 10: Tamara's knock out of the park, t Higgins. I'm fine
• 15:06
  Speaker 10: with that with Douglas as the slot guy. You know,
• 15:10
  Speaker 10: three I don't need. I don't need like eight or
• 15:13
  Speaker 10: nine million guaranteed for Kendrick Bourne. Then that's all I'm
• 15:16
  Speaker 10: saying that that one was a little strange to me,
• 15:18
  Speaker 10: especially coming off of twenty a C.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, generally receivers don't get better coming.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: Off I do agree that in terms of that room,
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: in particular on the offensive side of the ball, needs
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: a significant overhaul. And what you're doing is you're eating
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: up snaps more than anything. I don't care about the money,
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: but you don't want to get into a position where
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: you're you are. You know, if you're paying Kendrick Bourne
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: a veteran's salary, and now he's taking snaps from Xavier
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: Worthy because he you know, you paid him as a
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: guy that's going to be a top three receiver for you.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: That is where I wonder where all these snaps are going,
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: because they're they're releasing Devonte Parker. According to reports tomorrow,
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: Juju Smith Schuster.
• 16:01
  Speaker 9: I don't know how to get rid of him.
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: It's not it's way easier said than done. I don't
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: know how They're just gonna jettison Juju Smith Schuster at
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: this point. And so at that point you have born
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: Yes Smith Schuster, Like you're starting to add up in
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: terms of like who's gonna play. You know, Pop Douglas
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: is already going to be on the team, and then
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: if you do sign a Calvin Ridley, you really only
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: have opportunity for one other guy. So yeah, that guy
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: could probably comes through the draft and that and that's
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: how you go forward. But I'm more worried about that
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: than necessarily the money or anything like that.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: And I just wanted to defend myself really slightly.
• 16:37
  Speaker 10: I'm not up in arms about the Kenry Boyne deal,
• 16:39
  Speaker 10: Like don't, let's not this is not one of those
• 16:42
  Speaker 10: that I just don't understand. It's to me, it's kind
• 16:45
  Speaker 10: of a it was kind of unnecessary, but it's there's
• 16:50
  Speaker 10: no real money here. It's I think it's a three year,
• 16:53
  Speaker 10: twenty million dollar contract nineteen and only like half of
• 16:56
  Speaker 10: that is not.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Even half of it is guaranteed and a half so
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I I saw eight someone wrote eight million was guaranteed.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: But it's not a lot of money.
• 17:05
  Speaker 10: What I worry about is that he remains one of
• 17:08
  Speaker 10: your better receivers.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: That concerns me. Now, if you can pull off what
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: we're talking about, it will.
• 17:14
  Speaker 10: Not be a concern to me. But then I would ask, well,
• 17:16
  Speaker 10: why do bother in the first place. To me, it
• 17:18
  Speaker 10: represents insurance, and I'm worried about that they're going to
• 17:20
  Speaker 10: need the insurance.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: That's a fair point, Paul, especially because he's I am
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: going to bet that Kendrick's gonna be better than Juju, especially.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: From what we say.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, And so it's just like for.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: Me, it's just like the Juju thing irritates me more
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: than anything else right now, because it's like he's getting
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: paid all this money, the most money, and he's taking
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: up snaps and not doing anything with it, Yeah, but
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: does the possibility he's gonna actually come out and be good.
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: Unfortunately that that ship is saled, like they gave Juju
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: the contract they gave him and they're stuck with him.
• 17:50
  Speaker 10: For that much more is the dead problem with him
• 17:52
  Speaker 10: than it was with Parker? Almost double Yeah, and I'm
• 17:56
  Speaker 10: talking about money, not necessarily cap.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: But in that case it's both.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: If they they they just cut him out right like
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: they are planning reportedly again on doing with DeVante Parker,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: then it's gonna be north of eleven million to just
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: cut him out right now if they can trade him,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: and that obviously lessens the blow to about half of that.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: I think it's about five or six million and dead cap.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: But I was surprised when somebody too Johnny Smith off
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: their hands last year, so maybe they can move them.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that it's homes but it because his
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: contract still has two more full years on it. It's
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: it's a lot more money than DeVante Parker. Plus like there's.
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: Other dead wood, like it's Kaishan Boudi, which I had
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: forgotten about his gamb.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: But those guys, you can don't know what's gonna listen.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think anything.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: He can be cut for nothing.
• 18:44
  Speaker 10: I don't Yeah, I don't think any of these guys
• 18:46
  Speaker 10: is guaranteed a roster spot. You know, the booties in
• 18:48
  Speaker 10: the in the ragers, uh go and still here like again,
• 18:53
  Speaker 10: So to Fred's point, you're gonna have five or six
• 18:55
  Speaker 10: receivers on the roster and you're gonna have ten and
• 18:58
  Speaker 10: camp which ones of these guys, But you don't have
• 19:01
  Speaker 10: like receiver's coming in his camp.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: But you know, like Booty's a camp body you've got.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: I mean all right, So we got a little update
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: from Adam Schefter here on Calvin Ridley. Patriots and New
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: England is pushing to sign free agent wide receiver Calvin Ridley,
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: but sources believe that he currently prefers to return to
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville and has been discussing a deal with the Jaguars.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: So it sounds like the Patriots are offering him the
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: most money.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: But he wants to play with Mac.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: He wants to play with Trevor Lawrence.
• 19:27
  Speaker 10: And he's probably that's good, Mike. He's probably saying, just
• 19:33
  Speaker 10: make it close. Yeah, Like I want to stay here,
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: Just make it close. I don't know, I would feel
• 19:38
  Speaker 10: a lot better about the depth truck if yeah, that happens.
• 19:42
  Speaker 10: But like, I don't think Kendrick Bourne is a camp body.
• 19:45
  Speaker 10: I don't think he's on the team.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think that. I think there's more than that, and.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: He's on the team.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: I mean not to mention TJ.
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: Luthor and Kawan Baker, two who are on the rosters
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: by receiving.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Matter of fact, I didn't mention.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: I just it's time to put your money where your
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: mouth is. You said you were going to weaponize the offense.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: So far I have a third down running back, So
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: go weaponize the offense, like that's what you told us
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: you were going to do. And to Paul's point.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Essentially, if you are going to draft that quarterback, let's go.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, kender Bourne is not weaponizing the offense.
• 20:17
  Speaker 10: And I do like, I no argument there, and I
• 20:19
  Speaker 10: do like the idea and it's probably an intangible we
• 20:23
  Speaker 10: have no idea how important it is, if at all,
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: But I do like the message of resigning a guy
• 20:29
  Speaker 10: like a when you so Christian Barmore says, yeah, I can,
• 20:34
  Speaker 10: They'll keep me yep. You know, you know when you
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: reportedly got about nineteen million a year, you know, it's
• 20:40
  Speaker 10: like thirty eight guaranteed or something like that.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: So I like the idea of Christian Barmore.
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: Saying, yeah, if I have another good off season here,
• 20:48
  Speaker 10: I'm going to be in line to get an extension,
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: but maybe even before the season starts, because they're not
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: adverse to it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 20:54
  Speaker 10: The Patriots have re signed a lot of guys over
• 20:57
  Speaker 10: the years that people forget about. Yes, like, I know
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: this is like a new thing because Elliott Wolf is
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: here now and everything that the old regime did was wrong.
• 21:04
  Speaker 10: They haven't re signed top three round picks in a
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: long time and still haven't.
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: By the way, sixth round.
• 21:10
  Speaker 10: This is a sixth round pick, you know the you
• 21:14
  Speaker 10: know people pointed to the free agent class of twenty one. Well,
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: they re signed Henry and they re signed Bourne. You
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: know that's a sign that they're doing things well. They
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: resigned Godshaw last year, Like this is not new stuff.
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: You know, they actually re signed Mills believe it or not.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's still around. What's his stags.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: He's a free agent. Let's see bretton Bologna Italy says
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Paul needs a new stick cap vers real money. We
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: get it, we got it. Born is a good signing period.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Let's move on.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: It could be.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's I mean, it's an interesting one. It's worth it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: It's worth the conversation.
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: I think if he if he's better than I think
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: he is, and he's like a like a number two receiver, yeah,
• 21:54
  Speaker 10: be a really good, really good sign And Fred said
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: the fourth receiver like that, I have no interest in them.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know that money.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: I think he'll be the third receiver. I just it
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: depends on what goes around him in terms of skill sets,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: you know. I think that's the one thing about Calvin
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Ridley is I want Calvin Ridley playing off the ball.
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I don't want him playing at the X like he
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: did last year in Jacksonville because he's a smaller guy.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: I want to use his best skill sets and that's
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: a little bit redundant with Kendrick Bourne. So at that point,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: he probably is the fourth receiver on the.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Depth charge and if they think he's better, this is
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: a great contract.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Shoddy from Houston says, I don't understand the optimism and
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: people saying the Patriots are killing it all off season.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: We heard how the mean old man they fired, drafted
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: poorly and neglected the offense. Suddenly resigning Henry Bourne on
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: when you and Brissett two players Bill drafted and two
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: we signed on offense is a great offseason. A twenty
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: nine year old wide receiver three coming off of torn
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: acl getting a three year deal is outrageous and Bill
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: would have been killed for Oh stop.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Well it's pretty cheap.
• 22:58
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, and that's why if he's better than
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: I think he is, it's it's it's a really good contract.
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: And that's why I said at the top of this
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: whole thing, like, there's work to be done.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: I just think when you need to rebuild a franchise.
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: You're not going to go out and do it day
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: one a free agency and get all these new guys,
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: Like would you rather oh we got rid of Hunter
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: Henry and now we got Gerald Everett?
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: Like is that gonna would that be better for everyone?
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I want to read this next email and then talk
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: about how much you think.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Before you before you read that.
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: Can I just my one last thing with Bourne, Like,
• 23:24
  Speaker 10: so you're absolutely right, Micha what you just said about
• 23:27
  Speaker 10: the first day of free agency.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: They're not going to go out and do it.
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: Do you think they could have signed Kendrick Bourne to
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: this deal, say in a week or a week and.
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: A half probably, but he might have been really in demand.
• 23:36
  Speaker 10: Because absolutely this deal, this deal would have been had
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: if you waited two weeks to see what you get
• 23:42
  Speaker 10: and sure, then then say.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, you know, Kendrick, you know we're gonna have you
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: come back.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do of operations necessarily matters, though, well it
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: doesn't if you guys are right.
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: Yeah, if they do what you guys say they're going
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: to do, the order of operations is completely irrelevant. And
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: it's a typical Paul worrying about things that haven't happened yet.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: I do that a lot, but I think.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: It could have been more so like, hey, let's worry
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: about the things in house that we want to like prioritize,
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: and then we'll go outside.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Ye yeah.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: I also just did the email. Were they supposed to
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: have a whole new fifty three man roster because every
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: single player that is here currently that was here last
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: year was picked by Bill Belichick. So in order to
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: do something differently, they would have literally had to have
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: cut everybody, and he started from scratch and then down.
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: I mean, they did get rid of Chris Board okay
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: that I think that's a.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: That's a little it's a tough one.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: You know, really you.
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: Got rid of the starting quarterback that we were supposed
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: to rebuild around. I mean, I think I think they
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: have made some changes, but I just I would say generally,
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: and Paul, you know, I think that's.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: A great conversation.
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: I hear all your points you're making it, and I
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: hear you know, I think those are good. But I
• 24:47
  Speaker 8: would just say on the surface level that these guys
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: that these guys all performed pretty well. I like all
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: of them. I like them coming back. I don't know
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: how talented you know that, but.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: So let me read this email. This is from Dana,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Virginian Chicken. Patriots seemed to be bringing back or keeping
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: guys that will be good for the locker room. If
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: that assessment is accurate. Is that because it's in keeping
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: with Mayo's vibe, or because of all the division and
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: disruption in recent years, or both? Or is it just
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: who was available. I think it's stuck. Don't dismiss that
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: because I think Jerard talked about mending fences, building bridges.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: He's got work to do in the locker room. And
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: does he need those circle the wagon guys, Like every
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: coach talks hypocritical.
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: Why you're talking about how bad the locker room was
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: last year, So what are we gonna do to fix it?
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: We're gonna keep the guys that were in the locker
• 25:34
  Speaker 10: last year. But there's certain but puscher Henry was considered
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: one of the gang of five with mac Jones, right,
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: and now we're retaining and guess who's gone not Hunter
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: Henry mac Jones.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: So I will do you get it?
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: No, okay, I will say to Adam what you said, Fred,
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: I think that there was a notable difference in that
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: locker room when Kendrick Bourne got hurt and he wasn't
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: in there anymore, and Judi, when both of them left
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: to go get their surgeries and start rehab, there was
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: a noticeable difference in that lie. So having him back
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: is going to be a bright spot.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I just I but he was considered the opposite.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: But I but but maybe he was right. I think
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Hunter Henry, you know, maybe they weren't treating mac correctly.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe Big Mike is part of this equation
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: that like he's a better locker room guy than we
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: know about. You know, I don't know, But I'm just saying,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: don't dismiss who he's signing in terms of I need
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: that foundational locker room culture just like I need, you know,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: the pieces on the ross.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Especially if you're gonna have a Rickie quarterback, you can't
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: expect to be the captain and the leader day one.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there was just no.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Like if I if I signed all these new guys,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm gonna get in the locker room.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: At least I know what these guys.
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: I'll go back and say I don't have any problem
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: with the resigning of Henry Born, you and all three
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: of those guys.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I'll throw Dugger into that too, even though he didn't
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: really resign.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gonna be here.
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: Like, I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: I think it sends a good message and all of
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: that stuff.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not arguing that.
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: I'm just saying, don't give me they had a bad
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: locker room last year, and that's why they resigned all
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: these guys that were in the bad locker room. Yeah,
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: Like that doesn't make sense to me. I think I
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: have no problem with resigning these guys. I think some
• 27:14
  Speaker 10: of the guys that were part of the bad locker
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: room are not here.
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: But I also just think this team had no core.
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: This team had no identity. You didn't really know who
• 27:21
  Speaker 8: they're building around. There was nobody. There was no tight
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: ends on the roster. You know, Matthew Slater retired, you
• 27:26
  Speaker 8: have Juwan Bentley, you have Dietrich Wise. They're fine, but you,
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: like you said, Fred, they're not perfect. But these are
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: the guys that you feel like, I'm okay to build
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: around these guys. And I know they were part of
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: a team that wasn't great, but those guys were productive.
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: Hunter Henry was the only red zone threat they've had
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: the last time.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: And let's go back. You know. So now these guys
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: are signed, you know, and the signal that it sends
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: to the other players. Oh, they resigned Big Mike, they
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: resigned Hunter Henry. You know, so these guys are gonna
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: come in, I hope with a good attitude. And now
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: they're the veterans. And I hope, and I'm sure Mao agrees.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: He hopes that good attitude, that positive, you know, mindset
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: will permeate to the other.
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: That guy when us that guy, I mean, that's the
• 28:10
  Speaker 10: only guy that signed for any significant money.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Henry resigned for one reason and one reason. No, they
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: have no options.
• 28:14
  Speaker 10: They have no tight ends, right, I mean like if
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: they if they had like a young tight end on
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: the roster in year three, Henry wouldn't have resusched.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Dugger bar more Christian Gonzales, Like those are guys. Are
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: are your core guys right now and you're hoping that
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: the quarterback is going to be one also in a year.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: But these Henry is exactly what Paul said. They had
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: no other options, Like you have to have a tight end.
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: But they made sure that they made sure that he didn't.
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: That's why he signed so early. He signed before even
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: the tampering periods.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Like if you're Henry, it's like, oh, okay, they want
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: me like they're human beings. So I think that means
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: something like wow, they you know, it made me an
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: offer really fast. They want man And like I'm telling you,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: don't dismiss that whole locker room culture thing and and
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Mayo's need to have guys that are going to buy
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: into his you know system, it's important.
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: I mean Derek, I just don't know if he's one
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: of those guys based on reports, not me, not anything, Henry.
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: I don't know what side of that fence he's on
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: based on a lot of reports.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: A nice kid, competitive guy. Dan also says, following.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Upstart from me, I'm just telling you stuff that.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I've read, following up from last week's shows. If the
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Patriots draft JJ McCarthy, I will go full Eric and
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: unleash harump of atomic proportions. Just say nay to JJ.
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: I'm with them, Nay.
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: Derek Henry to the Ravens was what we were kind
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: of weird into me.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: That's a weird one to me. That's uh that that has.
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: Michael and I was laughing thinking about though the jokes
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: they would have been had if he came.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Here and what you know, Oh I, I would have
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: loved that.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: Here's a different here's a different story Baltimore. It's a
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: weird fit.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: Why because of the style of runner.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because they they play out of the gun
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: and out of the pistol and like he's a downhill
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: lineup eight yards behind the line of scrimma.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: But he can also catch the ball.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, I mean like he's not going to
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: start from a running start. Now, he's going to start
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: next to Lamar Jackson and he's I give.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh or John Harbaugh, I should say all the
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: credit in the world for being flexible on offense. We
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: know what he did when he dank. Like how hard
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: would it be to install something for Derek Henry.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, I just when you have a quarterback like
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Lamar and like we'll talk about this with Jayden Daniels
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: if they draft him, if you put him under center,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: you're taking his superpower away because now his ability to
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: run is not a threat on that particular play. Yeah,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: but you're not going to do that. You don't want
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: to do that twenty five times a game.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: But you're down by the goal line, you're in the
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: red zone.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Well that's a lot of money for that.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: Okay, do you know Ballpark how much?
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: So they've done it more recently because they don't want
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: him taking the body blows of running all the time.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: But when you got to have it, I mean, they're
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: they're talking Super Bowl.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Didn't the Ravens have trouble in the red zone last year?
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: I don't have to look up, not that I'm aware of,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: but maybe I thought that was one of the things.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: But anyway.
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: But I would just say that the bigger issue to
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: me with the stuff that Evan's talking about is how
• 31:24
  Speaker 10: predictable it makes you.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Like if if you're going to do what.
• 31:27
  Speaker 10: You said Fred and change it and have have him on,
• 31:30
  Speaker 10: So now you're telling everybody Lamar is not running, it's
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: going to be Derek Henry running.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: That's what you're looking to avoid. Even if he gives
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: the talk to Josh about that all the time, even if.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: He gives the ball every single time, just Lamar's gravity
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: of I could keep it, he keeps.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: The edge, she does what happened to play action.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: So you put him back there, you're fake and he
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: boots or he throws. I mean there's still options under
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: center to keep the ball with Lamar.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Transferred.
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: Really, Fred, when when a guy's under center and they
• 32:03
  Speaker 10: run X amount of time, Yeah, you're gonna get beat
• 32:05
  Speaker 10: on it every once in a while, but more often
• 32:07
  Speaker 10: than not, you're gonna know what's coming. Just like the
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: whole thing with Yakub Johnson had to go because they
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: were so predictable when he was on the field.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Mar brought back the pistol.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I give credit. I give more credit to offensive coordinators
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: to know what you're saying.
• 32:22
  Speaker 10: And my bigger concern with Derrick Henry is is that
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: you have anything left now. He finished the last season
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: pretty strong with Tennessee, Like one of the best games
• 32:29
  Speaker 10: he had all year was the last game. Uh, he
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: basically knocked Jacksonville out of the playoffs. So I don't
• 32:35
  Speaker 10: know if he still has enough in him to do it.
• 32:38
  Speaker 10: But that's the way Baltimore wants to play. They're gonna
• 32:41
  Speaker 10: they're gonna run the ball and be physical.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 32:44
  Speaker 10: He's certainly, like Fred said, he certainly should help in
• 32:46
  Speaker 10: the in the red zone and and do those kinds
• 32:49
  Speaker 10: of things.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Uh. Calvin and Connecticut rights And does Marcus Mariota to
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Washington tip their hand at all to who they are
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: drafting its second with number two playing style related more
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: to either quarterback Daniel.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: O'niels, I don't think that much. I think both of
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: those guys run, and like Marcus, Mary odin his prime
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: was obviously a great runner. But I would say that
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't look too much into it.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: He also wants to know would you give up the
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: second round pick and pay T Higgins? So would you
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: give up a second for T? Higgins?
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: I would, but I don't think they would.
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: Like I would rather do that than give Kendrick Bourn
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: three years a nineteen and a half million.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Why can't you do both?
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: You could, I just don't think they would.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Oh well, that's a problem, right.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: And that we're back to my concern.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: I would like to think that this regime does not
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: think that way. I would agree with you that Bill
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: would think that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I would like to think the regime had to say.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure it does.
• 33:48
  Speaker 10: But that kind of stuff I'm talking I'm talking about
• 33:51
  Speaker 10: like one hundred million dollar contracts every that's all thirty
• 33:55
  Speaker 10: two teams. That's not just a coaches to say, you
• 33:58
  Speaker 10: know what, we got to do this because I said so,
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: no team does that all thirty two teams. You can't
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: make that kind of a signing without, you know, getting
• 34:05
  Speaker 10: it signed off on.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Tim writes in Okay, he says, okay, I'm now reading
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: that Calvin Ridley prefers Jacksonville over New England. Is it
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: panic time yet? Sure? Seems like Elliott Wolf or should
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: I say, Robert Craft excuse me, doesn't want to spend money.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Hopefully I'm wrong, and we're about to trade for t
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Higgins but I'm starting to get concerned.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: Well, I wouldn't say that, Yeah, I wouldn't say it
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: has to do with money. I would say I would
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: want to stay with you know, Trevor Lawrence. I mean,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: you know what, You've gotten a quarterback. And also I'm
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: sure the weather is a lot better than here and here.
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: You don't know what this quarterback situation is going to be.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, maybe it's not all about money for him.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Maybe he wants to make sure he has a good career,
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: great location and money.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:44
  Speaker 8: I mean they have given out about eighty million guaranteed
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: so far, so take it fourth.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: It's worth No.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: I think Tamren nailed it. I think it's a better
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: situation than Jacksonville. They have a quarterback, they have a
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: team that was in the playoffs two years ago. It's
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: just a better team than what the Patriots currently.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Have Alex and Mount Holly. I'm in the same boat
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: with Paul where I would have not signed Borne, even
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: if he's the best skilled player outside of Stevenson in
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: the last few seasons. I just would have liked to
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: have been more aggressive in trying to sign Ridley, even
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: though it sounds like he wants to stay in Jazz
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: about if we didn't resign born in Reger while also
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: letting Parker go. I just feel like it would have
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: put the team in a different position to give Ridley
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: a contract he couldn't refuse. Still would like to see
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: some weapons added through free agency in trade, so I'm
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: not losing hope, but I feel like now the best
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: route is turning to a young wide receiver like Polk
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: and Burton in the draft to fill out the wide
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: receiver room.
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: I mean, ultimately that's the answer, and I mean I
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: think that's where we're headed. And when I know I
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: was writing about the guys, it's, you know, it is it's.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: A little flavor of draft developer tain.
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: That's, you know, kind of what they're starting to get
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: that cycle going again they fell off of it. And
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: again even though there's some guys with some warts like
• 35:54
  Speaker 8: you know, they're they're trying to make an effort to.
• 35:56
  Speaker 10: Come before that, I was a draft in develop these
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: like the Henry's Born drafting fair and when you get
• 36:02
  Speaker 10: in a three year deal, you know, it's like when
• 36:04
  Speaker 10: you when you and do you know a drafting development.
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: We'll see with Douggary, but you know that's it's a fab.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: I think, but I think far more down the down the.
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: Road, and that's and I do I do it tomorrow.
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: But you know it's not franchise tag Joe Toney and
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: let them walk, you know the franchise.
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: I mean people talked about franchising.
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: And when you do making those same kind of mistakes, it's,
• 36:21
  Speaker 8: you know, everything that you guys said about you know
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: the message, and it's it's baby steps because let's face it,
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: they don't have a lot of those players that are
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: still around that they drafted that are worth it.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, Uh should we try a phone call?
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: Everything seems to be working fine. I don't know how
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: I can hear you guys. Yeah, it feels like normal show.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Now now we're back new board, new board, uh thing,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: new phone? Who is Todd's in North Carolina? What's up Todd?
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I know that, but people are doing a great job.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: That doesn't sound good. It's a little okay.
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: My question for you guys, get Quick still on the roster?
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Yes? Yes?
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: And do you think he's still on the roster to
• 37:06
  Speaker 12: start the new year?
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Yes? No?
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: What can you bring?
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Do you think he's going to be gone tomorrow?
• 37:12
  Speaker 10: I thought he's the start of the season. I thought
• 37:15
  Speaker 10: he said the new year, the new year, that's not
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: the Oh you mean tomorrow. I think, yes, he'll be
• 37:19
  Speaker 10: on the roster tomorrow. I would say by the time.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Remember where it was around season?
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I thought he said for the season, for the seas,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: So you were right, Thanks Todd. I'm going to say yes, I'm.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: Going to say what what who Who's going to take
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: him off your hands? Like I I just I think
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: you just might have to eat it. You can't do that.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: It's too much money.
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: It's going to be equivalent to him being out there anyways.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: You're paying, but you don't even have to play him
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: like I would. It's just I just feel like, if
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: you're you have this this amount of cap space, that's
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: the only advantage that you have right now is that
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: you have cap space. And if you start eating up
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: too much of the cap space and dead money then
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: you don't then you've lost your one advantage. Who you know,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: if you want to sign Calvin Ridley in a tackle
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: and you have a twelve million dollar dead capet on
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Juju and a six million dollars dollar dead capet and
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Devonte Parker like these are the things that Paul talks
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: about in terms of real cash spending, like you don't
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: have any more real cash to spend at that point
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: on other players, and that that's they they trapped themselves
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: into these two contracts. It's their own doing.
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: It just sucks, though you're just saying you're just gonna
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: sit a guy on the bench because you don't.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I don't think on a bench he.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: Would just play him unless you can't.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Unless you guys are right and we got the fireworks coming.
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: I just think you have a chance though, And I mean, look,
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: I'm not gonna get in the math, but like you're
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: a new regime, this is a terrible contract on a
• 38:40
  Speaker 8: player who I have never seen it for a single
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: second out there, make a play like what are you
• 38:46
  Speaker 8: supposed to do? Like if it was your guy and
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: you're the one who resigned him, and maybe there is
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: somebody's still here that it was his guy, so maybe that's.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: A factor too, but no, no, no, no, it's just hard
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: to say. Nobody's still here responsible. He was a bad
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: player last maybe he can work for this, but he's
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: still here. Was responsible.
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: Hilarious if it's funny, like I saw somebody.
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: He seems to have given up TikTok since he got here.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, if you can Johnny Smith, Juju Smith,
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Uster and somebody will take him off your hands. I
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: am all for it.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: What's the dead cap for that?
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: If they trade him, it's like half half?
• 39:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I'm with Fred. I would I would bite
• 39:23
  Speaker 10: the bullet and do it. But I understand Evans points.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Uh Co writes in he's in Denver, Mac is gone.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Jacoby is the veteran mentor and game manager the team
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: needs for a rookie quarterback. I now implore you to
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: stop pretending we don't know what the Patriots are doing
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: at number three. Patriots will do what Mayo said on
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: the first day he was hired. They will draft whichever
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: quarterback is there, mayor Daniels. How long will the media
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: pretend the number three pick is a mystery to get
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: more clicks. It's irresponsible. It creates a false expectation for fans.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: It sets people up for disappointment.
• 39:57
  Speaker 8: This is I don't know, somebody from alternate reality.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It sets people up for disappointment When
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: the Patriots don't draft Marvin Harrison Junior or don't trade
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: back Mayo told you in January exactly what the Patriots
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: would do. Don't forget it. If you want to speculate,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: speculate about the second round.
• 40:14
  Speaker 10: Who is speculating about them not taking a quarterback the charade?
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: To be fair. To be fair, Fred did say that
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: it wasn't a guarantee that they're going to take a quarter.
• 40:22
  Speaker 10: And he he asked that. He started the show by
• 40:26
  Speaker 10: asking that, and what did we all say? I know,
• 40:29
  Speaker 10: I think you asked the question, do you think it's right?
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Is it a guarantee?
• 40:33
  Speaker 10: And Evan went yes, Mike went yes, Paul went yes,
• 40:37
  Speaker 10: Like who's right?
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying who you are doing again?
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: Go to last week's.
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: Show, what Mayor Daniels. I'm fine with either one, make
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: that pick. Either one is worth missing on. So I
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: think you're right now.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: The uncertainty is which quarterback they're going to have? Which one?
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: I don't think there are a lot of people who
• 40:53
  Speaker 10: do not think they're taking a quarterback at three.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: No, I'm not telling you nobody. There's a lot of
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior people. I wouldn't say among the media necessarily,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: but on Paul show, as I hear them calling all
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: the time about Marvin Harrison Junior.
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but he's made front of the media for being clickbait. Yeah,
• 41:11
  Speaker 10: and I don't think there's a lot of that going
• 41:12
  Speaker 10: on now. I'm not telling you that Joe and Walpole
• 41:15
  Speaker 10: doesn't think that they should take Marvin Harrison, but like
• 41:18
  Speaker 10: he's not trying to get people to click on his
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: story by saying that.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Rick and Dallas wants to know should the Patriots have
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: tried to trade for Jerry Judy.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not a huge Jerry Judy guy.
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: What was Mark Schleros thing? Did anybody see that? I
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: kind of clicked by it, But he seemed happy that
• 41:35
  Speaker 8: they got rid of him, and I didn't.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: Know he's had some attitude issues in Denver.
• 41:40
  Speaker 10: I mean, I would have taken a shot based on
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: it cost them nothing, But I'm not a huge Jerry
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: j I think the production has been there since he's
• 41:48
  Speaker 10: been in the league.
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I am, but last year and like it just
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: it's a precipitous drop off. He just he keeps on
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: not producing year in and year out, struggling to stay
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: on the field. At some point the first round talent
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: that I'm in love with. You have to look at
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: it and be like it's he's just not that player.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: He just didn't live up to it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: You mean, wide receivers don't always work out in the
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: first round.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: That one, and that one might be one of the
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: only misses in the first round. In the last like
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: M seven, Kevin White was a long time ago.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Now rust and rusty and Arlen has some questions about
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: the Prissette signing. He's a little bit confused. He says,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to give a little stat comparison on
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: perset because I genuinely don't understand it, probably never will
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: understand the value. He's talking in comparison to Zappi. Bill
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: got rid of him after year one for Dorset. I
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: have to say that one catch against the Jags is
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: more than anything Prissette has ever done. Zappi the Chiefs.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Zappi this season was good for two hundred and twelve
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: passing yards per game and had six touchdowns, six starts,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: nine interceptions, six yards UH per average throw. Veteran QB Brissett,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: who definitely is adding something in his last sixteen starts
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: between the Dolphins and Browns about two hundred and forty
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: yards a game. Blah blah, blah blah. Please tell me
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: what he does here without relying on phrases like veteran presence.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: That's what he does here, that's why he's here.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I remember hearing that with Hoyer and it didn't seem
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: to do much for mac. Congrats. He might be marginally
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: better than Zabi. Is there a better gig in football
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: than being the veteran backup?
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of truth to that, but he's here.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: You're dismissing the reason.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: He's literally here for the reason why you don't want
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: us to talk about why he's here.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: So he's not that much better than Zabi. He's not.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: He doesn't.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: He's he is, you know, more of an NFL body
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: type and like he's got a bigger arm and he's
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: a bigger guy, and you know those types of things.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: But he's he's here because he's a veteran presence that
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: has been lauded by it and.
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: He's in the emailer is dismissing, and he's not telling
• 43:49
  Speaker 10: you wrong for dismissing that. But I think that's why
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: he's here. Yeah, And I think that's why they chose
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: him individually.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: And to everyone's point that that tips the Patriot's hands
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: about what they're doing. Now, yeah, it does because they
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: need that veteran guy in the locker room if you're
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: gonna bring in, you know, a quarterback at number three.
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: And it's not because they want Brissett to play if
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: Drake May isn't ready in week one, per se. They
• 44:18
  Speaker 10: want Brissett to be there for Drake May. Whereas Bailey Zappi, Yeah,
• 44:24
  Speaker 10: you could, you could say, like, well, he could just
• 44:26
  Speaker 10: play for wee. But Bailey's appy wants to play. And
• 44:29
  Speaker 10: this is no slight on Bailey's appy. I can't believe
• 44:31
  Speaker 10: he should want he should want to play. He's entering
• 44:35
  Speaker 10: his third year. He's trying to find like he's looking
• 44:39
  Speaker 10: for the opportunity that Brissett has already had. Brissett has
• 44:42
  Speaker 10: started fifty or sixty games in the league whatever, forget
• 44:45
  Speaker 10: about whatever it is. He's been poor in those starts.
• 44:48
  Speaker 10: But Zappi's looking for that opportunity that he's never really
• 44:51
  Speaker 10: gotten and and and.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Presets the perfect veteran because forget about the money. If
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: you're bring in Baker from Mayfield, the same thing, he's
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: gonna want to play.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Oh well, that's a different that's a whole diff or not.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not here to help Drake May. I'm here to
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: just play.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: But he's the starter. If you bring him in, he's
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: the starter.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that in terms of a veteran. Brisett's
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: kind of perfect, you know.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: For it's non threatening, right, I mean Wilson wouldn't have
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: been that, you know, justin Fields is not that those
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: guys want to play, right, all right.
• 45:19
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• 45:22
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• 46:42
  Speaker 2: losing whatever Harry has left back there, Scotton Virginia writes
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: in I thought this was interesting. I read that if
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the Jaguar signed Ridley before the new league year tomorrow,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: that they would then owe the Falcons's second round pick.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I feel like the longer we don't hear anything about, really,
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: the more likely he is to re signing with the Jacks,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: since they have to wait till tomorrow. Anyway, do you
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: guys have the same sentiment they.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: Don't have to wait till tomorrow, but that that package
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: is correct that because of the agreement in the trade,
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: if he signs a contract extension essentially with the Jaguars,
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: then they would owe Atlanta. It becomes a second round
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: pick instead of I think whatever the conveidation.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: So no matter what correct.
• 47:26
  Speaker 10: Oh so that's a non factor then because Jacksonville's clearly.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: I guess what he's saying, right, So I guess what
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: he's saying is that if they let that contract expire
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: when the league year starts tomorrow, then does it still
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: count as an extension with Jacksonville versus if they sign it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: I think it does because you're not actually signing the
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: contract today. You're just agreeing in principle to the frame.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: It's the same, right or it's going to be at
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: the same time period anyways.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: So no, But like, is.
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: There a way that they could game it and just say,
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: you know, we're gonna you know, yeah, we're agree, but
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: we're not going to announce this until next week. If
• 48:02
  Speaker 10: that gets them out of compensation, well they can like
• 48:04
  Speaker 10: a loophole.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Right, but they can't sign the contract out tomorrow anyways.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know.
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: But instead of waiting until like right away, if you
• 48:13
  Speaker 10: just wait a week or so, then well he was
• 48:16
  Speaker 10: out there for anybody to sign, and we resigned them.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 48:19
  Speaker 10: I didn't know the stipulation about the second round pick,
• 48:23
  Speaker 10: so I'm not up on all my Calvin Ridley Minutia.
• 48:26
  Speaker 10: I am way too, but I will take Calvin Ridley.
• 48:30
  Speaker 10: I think it's going to happen. I think the Patriot's
• 48:31
  Speaker 10: going to get him another Calvin. This one's in Denver.
• 48:35
  Speaker 10: I'm with the other person who rode in from Denver.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: On the socials, a lot of people are thinking and
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: talk and take taking the Jacobi signing as if he
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: is the quarterback and along with that they're going to
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: draft a wide receiver or tackle. I'm with you. All
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: this signing does show that they're most likely drafting a
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: quarterback who on the socials are saying that he's the guy.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Fans, that's what he's talking about on social I.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Know that's what but I'm thinking, like, who's doing that.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: I haven't seen.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that incredulously.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, I thought you were asking specifically.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I'm saying that rhetorically, I guess yeah.
• 49:09
  Speaker 10: I mean my thing would be if if that wasn't
• 49:11
  Speaker 10: the case, then you wouldn't have signed him to a
• 49:13
  Speaker 10: one year deal. If you were signing Jacobe Brissett to
• 49:15
  Speaker 10: be your quarterback, it would be longer than a one
• 49:17
  Speaker 10: year deal.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Question, how much stock do you all take into when
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: the active player judon talking up one quarterback over others,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: I e. Jayde and Daniels. I didn't know he was
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: doing that. Is that what he's doing?
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: He was on Good Morning Football, and I guess they're
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: referring to what he was talking about.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Oh okay back then, Yeah, okay.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of those guys watch a lot
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: of LSU YEP, and probably don't watch a whole lot
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: of North Carolina football, so or you know whatever. They
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: watch a lot of the big schools, and you got
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: friends that went to those schools or went to that school.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: So I wouldn't look too much into he's probably just
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: seen more more Jayden, Daniels.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Rob and San Diego via Connecticut. Many of us have
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: a player whom we admire or support despite the mediocre performance.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: For me, one of those players is Jacoby Brissett. I
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: vividly recall watching him play as a Patriots starter against
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: the Texans and being impressed by how he handled himself
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: in such a crazy situation. His letter to fans when
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: he moved on showed his character, and he has consistently
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: done his job at various teams without drama. I've often
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: joked about wanting a preset Patriots jersey, and now it
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: seems like I'll have the opportunity to get one. Despite
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: knowing he's not a superstar, I simply like him. Does
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: anyone else in the crew have a similar affinity for
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: a player who others might consider mediocre. That's a good question.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Matt Lacasse, Tom Ashworth.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not anymore, but maybe back back before I started
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: doing this, I guess maybe.
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: For Ninkovich early on, yeah, before he got good, before
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: he got good.
• 50:51
  Speaker 6: And then I was like, well, everybody loves Ninkovic, you.
• 50:53
  Speaker 10: Know, yeah, Nikovich show with like a word. I think
• 50:56
  Speaker 10: he's a little bit too good of a player to
• 50:58
  Speaker 10: fit into this count.
• 50:59
  Speaker 8: No, well, I mean, like I was really, you know,
• 51:02
  Speaker 8: taking my blog from just a Tumblr blog to like
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: an actual blog when he made the team, And so
• 51:07
  Speaker 8: you guys know, I'm a defense guy. So it was
• 51:09
  Speaker 8: all of a sudden, this guy is starting to come
• 51:11
  Speaker 8: out of nowhere playing a lot, and you know, and
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: then he became a player who played every single down
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: as a defensive end and everybody loved him so but
• 51:17
  Speaker 8: early on he was a blog favorite.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I always, like, you know, tend to kind of fall
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: in love with a guy in camp that you know,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I say, Oh, this guy is gonna, Jeff come out
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: of nowhere, you know, and be the guy. And I'm
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: always wrong about I'm.
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: Always wrong about Thomas Thomas.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Did I tell you that one?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Then?
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: An actor Fred's he was It's amazing Jeff Thomas.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, did Freddy.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Have He didn't even make it in the Spring Leaves.
• 51:46
  Speaker 10: I know he kept calling him Jeff Daniels, Jeff, Jeff Thomas.
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: It really Jeff Daniel, you haven't killed fred Is.
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: He just kept calling I mean Jeff Daniels, like who,
• 51:57
  Speaker 8: I don't remember.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: That Jeff Daniels doesn't bell.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: You don't know from Jeff Daniels, from what Jeff.
• 52:03
  Speaker 10: Daniels real actor, like the actor never heard it? Like
• 52:09
  Speaker 10: dumb in the newsroom, Yes, he was a star in
• 52:12
  Speaker 10: the Speed. I remember the newsroom and Speed. Yeah, Okay,
• 52:15
  Speaker 10: he's a very versatile actor.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Wide range, Mike's and Florida, he says, going back to
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: the chef to report it seems to me as a
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: negotiating tactic. Ridley's agent trying to strong arm the Patriots
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: into offering a few more dollars. Seems odd to report
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: the Patriots are pushing, but his preference is to return
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: to Jacksonville for less money. With Kirk and Davis, there
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be shocked to see Kirk to Patriots by the
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: end of the.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: Day, Ridley to Patriots. But I agree, and his agent,
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: David Malaga, is one of the best in the business.
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: He's got a ton of big name receiver clients, in particular,
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: like the entire top of the receiver free agent class.
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: And this is all David maloed.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: I think, what's what?
• 52:56
  Speaker 10: And I do think I said about twenty minutes ago.
• 52:58
  Speaker 10: I still think that they're going to end up getting Ridley,
• 53:01
  Speaker 10: but I'm a little surprised that he's not getting as
• 53:03
  Speaker 10: much interest as I thought he would.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: Do you think it's because people see value more in
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: drafting one of these guys in the drafts, and probably
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: such a strong draft class they can get a good
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: quality guy for way less money.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, I think that's a big part of it.
• 53:16
  Speaker 10: But I just thought that as really the only one
• 53:20
  Speaker 10: someone would say, well, we like Kansas City everybody you know,
• 53:23
  Speaker 10: Evan said to me off air a little while ago,
• 53:26
  Speaker 10: you know, sign a one year deal with Kansas City. Yeah,
• 53:29
  Speaker 10: and then really strike it rich next year after Mahomes.
• 53:32
  Speaker 10: You know, does it all for you? I'm surprised that
• 53:35
  Speaker 10: he hasn't gotten any you think real interest.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Do you think his history has anything to do with it?
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Maybe?
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, I think I think it does. And at this
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: point in free agency, we're not at the the you know,
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: freeqency tours where guys go to meet with teams and
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: stuff like that, So you're just throwing him a bag
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: of money sight unseen a little bit, and I do
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: think that that is a factor.
• 53:58
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Paul in Ohio love the show. I just want to
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: give you my Marvin Harrison Junior take as a lifelong
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: buck guy who's watched every snap he's taken in college
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: and seen every spring game in person. I also emailed
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: in during the nineteen draft, pounding the table for and
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: arguing with Andy over Terry McLaren the Patriots would be
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: the worst possible landing spot for MHJ. He's got all
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: the physical tools, but he does not respond well to
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: difficult circumstances. I go as far as calling him soft.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: If he goes to a team without a quality quarterback
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: and other playmakers to take the heat off him, he
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: will wilt. Been listening since six The show has never
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: been better. Thank you for all the.
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: Hard work, I said the Matiso stairs, I'm like, I
• 54:40
  Speaker 8: don't even I don't even want to rule out Neighbors
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: like that guy is explosive.
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: I don't every time I watch him.
• 54:47
  Speaker 8: I'm just so intrigued that, you know, not to say
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: that whenever I see Marvin Harrison Junior, Like, it isn't
• 54:51
  Speaker 8: just you know, he's just one of those guys that
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: physically is so gifted that he kind of naturally dominates.
• 54:57
  Speaker 8: But I don't know guys like Neighbors, where he kind
• 54:59
  Speaker 8: of a little bit more for me. And I know
• 55:01
  Speaker 8: he's got elite speed, but there's just something really appealing
• 55:04
  Speaker 8: to me.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: About that doesn't surprise me coming from an Ohio State fan,
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: because over the years, Marvin Harrison Junior has tapped out
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: of some big games because of you know, bumps and bruises, injuries,
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: things like that, and that I do not That doesn't
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: surprise me that that's the sentiment, But I wonder how
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: much of that was, you know, until nil like, I'm
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: not really getting paid to do this, and I have
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: an NFL future and I'm am I going to really
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: push it in this big ten game when I have
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: bigger things on my mind. I know Buckeye's fans don't
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: want to hear.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: That, but Rodrigo says, I'm not sure about this, seem man.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: He says, the Patriots are getting played. Jaguars and Ridley
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: are working together to make sure Ridley signs after the
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: season starts so they won't have to give up the
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: second rounder.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: So but how does that help Ridley?
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: How does that help Jacksonville?
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Right, they don't have to give up the second round?
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I know, but like why do they even
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Like if that's true, yeah, but they just wait to
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: sign him then, I mean, what how are we getting played?
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Well, if you still think you have a chance to
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: get him, I.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Know, but like why, Like, what's what's the benefit for
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Jacksonville to keep us on the hook?
• 56:14
  Speaker 10: There's no benefit to keep the Patriots on the hook, right,
• 56:17
  Speaker 10: So how are we getting played if they still think
• 56:20
  Speaker 10: they can get him and they really can't. Yeah, it's
• 56:23
  Speaker 10: it's a hypothetical. Yeah, I don't know what the truth is,
• 56:26
  Speaker 10: but I think you had You just had two emails
• 56:27
  Speaker 10: in the last three emails that No, but.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: It's a great point.
• 56:30
  Speaker 10: Counterpoint, But the Patriots are actually going to get him,
• 56:34
  Speaker 10: and if he wanted to stay in Jacksonville, he would
• 56:37
  Speaker 10: have just resigned with Jacksonville. And it's clear he's getting
• 56:40
  Speaker 10: more money and he's trying to get Jacksonville.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: To go up to what the Patriots are.
• 56:44
  Speaker 10: Okay, so strategically, the other side of it is what
• 56:46
  Speaker 10: this guy is saying, Actually, the Patriots are the ones
• 56:49
  Speaker 10: that aren't going to get him because he wants to
• 56:50
  Speaker 10: stay in Jacksonville.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: It's a done deal.
• 56:52
  Speaker 10: They're just waiting for the league year so they don't
• 56:55
  Speaker 10: have to give up this second round pick. So I
• 56:56
  Speaker 10: don't know which one of those is true. But that's
• 56:58
  Speaker 10: your point, counterpoint.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: This technicality of when he signs, I don't know the answer.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: I didn't.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I wasn't even aware of it until ten minutes.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was aware of it, But I
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: just I don't know the answer. To me, it seems
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: like they would have to give up the second round
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: pick either way. I don't know how the league would
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: like go either go in a separate direction from that.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: That's the agreement of the trade.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: But does the agreement of the trade. And again, I
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: just learned about this ten minutes.
• 57:25
  Speaker 10: Right, if he's on the roster on March thirteenth of
• 57:28
  Speaker 10: twenty twenty four, I will win the draft.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: You will. The Falcons are draft pick deadline.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: The term that I keep on hearing is extension. So
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: extension would tell me that, Yeah, if they wait till tomorrow,
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: then the contract has expired. It's no longer an extension.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: It's a new contract.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I'm wondering if they can get a loophole here.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: That would be a loophole.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Somewhere Belichick. Belichick is smiling something.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Sounds like the Falcons are the ones that are getting played.
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:54
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean I have a question for you, Evan,
• 57:56
  Speaker 8: I mean, what would you prefer right now in this
• 57:59
  Speaker 8: draft a second pick or Calvin Ridley?
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: Well, the Patriots aren't giving up the second No, I'm
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: telling Jackson, Oh uh, probably Calvin Ridley for them, just
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: because I think that they are trying to win.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: They can have both.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: I think I don't know the technicalities of the like
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: we have to have somebody clarify that, you know, Tom Pelli,
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Sara or Chefter or somebody.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: If they wait, they get Ridley and the second they
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: keep their second round pick.
• 58:26
  Speaker 10: I think now, if not, I would rather have Calvin Ridley.
• 58:29
  Speaker 10: He's a proven commodity.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah to me, that that, to me is a loophole.
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: As Paul put it, that I don't sounds like it's
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: going to be tricky to Yeah, exactly.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see Andrew from New Jersey. This round of
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: signings just shows how much you need a franchise quarterback
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: and how far we've were falling so quickly from a
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: destination franchise. I've always said we should snab one of
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: the draft's top three quarterbacks. May Or Daniels trading down
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: for more picks. The smoke screen rumors that someone is
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: pushing Elliot Wolf about trading down in stockpiling picks is ridiculous.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: Dalton Schultz sticking with Houston because of Stroud, Ridley staying
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: put in the Jaguars because of Trevor, Lawrence Barkley probably
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: wants to play with Hurtz and Philly. No wonder nobody's
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: putting New England on their top list for free agency.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Without a standout quarterback, it's tough to draw in the
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: big names, even with good money on the table.
• 59:23
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I need to see what the money is and
• 59:26
  Speaker 10: I need to see what Ridley does. I'm not writing
• 59:28
  Speaker 10: him off yet. I still think there's a chance the
• 59:30
  Speaker 10: Patriots gonn sign him.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: Right, I agree, but I think there only draws the money.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: Oh that's the emailer's point and so now.
• 59:37
  Speaker 10: But I want to but like what the emailer says, like,
• 59:39
  Speaker 10: even good money on the table, I want to see
• 59:41
  Speaker 10: the money before I just assume it's good money.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: He's not gonna take ten million less.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Evan, your your alter ego is feeding into this. This
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: is from James and Portsmouth UK. He says, I just
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: saw Alex Barth floated the idea on X that if
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: the Jaguars wait until after the new league year starts
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: to sign Ridley, they only have to give a third
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: round pick to Atlanta, not a second. There you go,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Do you think this could all be a smoke screen
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: so they can give up less to keep him and
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: he is always intending to go back there, making it
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: official after four pm tomorrow.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 10: I do think it's a possibility absolutely, But again again
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 10: I just want to reiterate there might be a little
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 10: did not know.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: About this ten minutes ago? Come in all seriousness.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 10: You know what I I can't said when you listen
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 10: to my shows was that, well, did I do that right?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Fred?
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 10: When I listened to my shows and it's clear that
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 10: someone calls in with something like that that they have
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 10: no idea about. It doesn't happen a lot, but you
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 10: can tell when they're just trying to fake it. I
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 10: don't really know what this is, but I think the
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 10: Patriots should really make a push from Mike to so
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 10: this kid, he's got a good quick first and you
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 10: can clearly tell they don't know who the guy is
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 10: that they're talking about, and they're like scrambling around trying
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 10: to find you know, it happens like NHL trade deadline
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 10: a lot because nobody knows the NHL like Frontwoods and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 10: Back which there's so many players change, they all change teams.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: That was Chucks for me. I was like who, I mean,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: never knew who he.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: Was I'm a little disappointed in you and the rot.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: Of course I can't get that name right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: That was a perfect example.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 10: If if we were on the show and someone called
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 10: in and said I think the Patriots should trade for
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 10: a Corps four or sign a corter for I would
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 10: have been like, I don't know who that is, yeah,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 10: but I think it's It's my point, I guess is
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 10: it's so transparent when you don't know who it is
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 10: and instead you say, yeah, I mean I could see
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 10: them doing a move like that, and then you you know,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 10: you're clearly looking at.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: Your phone trying to oh yeah, I mean they need help.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 10: But the offensive line, you know, like you can tell
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 10: when a guy.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: Was that your show, Paul, your main show was on
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: yesterday when they signed Taki Taki, Because they would have
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: been like, Taki who And that would have been great.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, like they have no idea who. They don't
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 10: pretend a lot, They don't pretend a lot.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Those two.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: They would have had a fun with that because I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: think they were.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Somehow it as a badge of honor. Yeah, we don't
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: follow this.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not nerds.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: Sorry, some of us are nerds.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Where and you should wear that badge with honor. I do,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: I do, David and Bethlehem says, I'm worried about May
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: playing in the ACC week Conference Nixon Oregon had stronger opponents,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: agree or not, Well, maybe he did, but that doesn't
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: mean he's a better quarterback.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely out.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 10: So when Nicks played against strong competition, he sucked in
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 10: the SEC, right.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was better in the PAC twelve.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: He was definitely the better last, but still nothing compared
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: to the SEC.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: I would say thirty. You do see a lot his
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: pro day today, by the way. Yeah, a lot of
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 4: the the ex quarterbacks that we love to talk about
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: about here are so much the Orkis, the Warners, those guys,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: they all really like bon Nicks, and I've I've decided
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: that they all really like floor quarterbacks like he just
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: bo Nicks is one of those guys that is accurate,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: you know, does it, does the you know, season things correctly,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: progressions correctly, throws the ball pretty accurately.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Like he does.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: Definitely a little bit.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: But he's he's more closer to mac Jones than he
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: is to Drake May. Let me put it to you
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: that way, and that that just seems to be who
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: A lot of they have a lot of those guys,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: you know, Chris Sims, they have Bonis really high, you know,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: QB three, QB four, something like that.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: We've got to here and the patriots up in the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: admin level. We've got a little, uh sort of coven
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: of Michigan people and they're all pounding the table for
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: yeah for JJ.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: Who are these people?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: Think it's down the street, not street.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: In the marketing area. So I asked one of them.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I asked one of them. I said, oh, you know,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: so what does JJ stand for? She couldn't tell me.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: You're not really you don't You don't know, do you not?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, but I'm not. I'm not
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: pounding for JJ. McCarthy.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Is that what it is?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: No idea COVID like witches, coven, covin.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 9: Honestly, after we just need person.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah, American movie, don't worry about it.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: What are you babbling about?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 10: I thought someone was making When we're having conversation at
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 10: a lower level, let us go.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: That's what makes us people world's original podcast.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: When we took talk over each other. People that can't
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: hear anything.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: We're talking under.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: It's Jonathan James. By the way, Jonathan Wow, John James smid.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of the high floor quarterback.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: I mean that I was sold on that with Mac.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised. I'm ready for a doesn't like try
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: hard guys. No, no, no, no, that's.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: Not a try hard guy.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 10: A high floor guy is a guy who has the floor.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 10: The worst he's going to be is serviceable. That's the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 10: worst I want the guy with the talent that he
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 10: might be a train wreck.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: But the upside is Patrick Mahomes.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: That's the league.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: Now, that's what I want.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: I feel like we have in this I'm just speaking
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: for myself. I guess I feel like I have gotten
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: to that point because of Mac. Now in this draft,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: I have no interest in the bo Nixes, I have
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: no interest. I like Michael Pennix for a lot of
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: his intangibles, but I think he's in a similar boat
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: where he played with a bunch of five star receivers
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: around him. His left tackle's going to get drafted in
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: the first round, his right tackle's gonna get drafted in
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 4: the third round. All of his receivers are going top
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: one hundred. It's just one of the same thing is
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: what we heard at album, and I think Pennix is
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: a better, you know, physical talent than Mack was. But
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: him Bo Nicks those types of players. I'd much rather
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: take a swing on On Daniels or Drake May and
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: hope that it works out well.
• 1:05:50
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  Speaker 8: for Paul gonna get made over for preseason? I don't
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 8: know to get like, you know.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: We'll probably look at something.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when Jacobett's playing, it's the starter, Noah writes, in
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: two questions.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: First, is Paul always yelling or does he just talk
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: crazy loud? No, but I did notice, like when we
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: couldn't hear each other, we all took off our headphones
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: except Paul, so he was yelling because he couldn't take himself.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: Oh is that true?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: I apologize.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 9: I apologized.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: And to what is the over under for each of
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: the top three draft quarterbacks should they come to New England?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: For how many games they sit behind per set? How
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: much development do the potentials need to usurp him? So
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: it's kind of a good question. So let's throw all
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: three in there. You know, any one of them who
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: has to sit the longest, who has to sit the least?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm gonna just throw out there.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 8: I'd say Caleb blames the least, just because he's go
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 8: out there and just make it.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: Plus his father will insist.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: I thought we were going a different three, but oh
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: keep going oh oh oh.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean like we're not realistic.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, I don't think we can.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Like Caleb's not realistic, Okay, so let's do five then.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: No, I'm just saying I think we can go. Drake
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: made Jade and Daniels JJ McCarthy. I that's the conversation
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: I think we're having now. I don't think the Pennix.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: Maybe at the top of the second round.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: Okay, but I think at least the season for JJ McCarthy,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: I would I would guess, but four games the other
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 8: two something like that, maybe a little bit longer.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: On Jane Daniels, I don't know.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: I think you're gonna get to camp with with both
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels and Drake may as a team like the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: Patriots that don't have you know that that's that solidified starter,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: that's not Jacoby Brissett. I think you're gonna get into
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: training camp and you're gonna be like, we can't keep
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: this guy off the field. I think he's gonna be
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: that much better, uh then the than Jacoby Brissett. The
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: only question would be do you do it just for
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: his own good that you hold the clipboard for a month,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: you hold a clipboard till Halloween, just because you think
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: that's what's best for his long term development, not necessarily
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: that he's the worst player.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: I like that. I like how you put it.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm not interested in any of the rookie quarterbacks
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 10: if they have to sit for more than a year.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 10: By the way, no mean like this whole like Drake
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 10: may needs to sit for two years.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: It goes back to what hevn't said.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: It's like if you're not if you don't really have
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 8: a belief that this guy could at some point knock
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 8: off Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes at least like fool yourself,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 8: like like what are you doing.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: You're just spinning your wheels like miss On. That's why
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: I keep saying it's worth it to miss On.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: I don't mind if it to miss On.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 10: I don't mind if they if they draft someone at
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 10: number three and he's not ready to play week one,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 10: and you sort of have.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: A soft soft launch soft.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 10: Opening, you know, and you sort of you know Tua,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 10: I think I think Evan and I were talking about
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 10: that earlier too. Ryan Fitzpatrick was there, kind of a
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 10: similar guy to Jacoby Brissett. You let Fitzpatrick play and
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 10: then at some point you replace him.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: That's ideal to me. But in a one year max.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 10: If by year two he's not ready to play, we
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 10: have a problem. We don't have Brett Favre keeping Aaron
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 10: Rodgers on the bench. We don't have Aaron Rodgers keeping
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 10: Jordan Love on the bench, so I think that would
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 10: be a real concern two years.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: In and you're you're not ready to play yet.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Let's check out the acetick A hotline eight five to
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: five pass five hundred. Bronson's in Salt Lake City. What's up, Bronson?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: Hey good, thanks for holding on.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, a couple of things really quick. So no, we're
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 11: all obviously kind of said on drafting either quarterback that's
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 11: there is three, and obviously we're going after Ridley excessively. Okay,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 11: Now say if we don't Land, is there a world
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 11: where you guys.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 12: Either go after a trade for like Keenan Allen, big
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 12: Games a Yuk or do you possibly go after another
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 12: free agent like Smith and the tackle and go after
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 12: two wide receivers in the draft?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thanks for the call.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: I think they'll pivot in the veteran market if Caln
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: Ridley turns them down, whether it's Hollywood Brown, it's a
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: trade candidate, I think they'll pivot to somebody.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: The only problem, you know, somebody else said, you know,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: with cousins leaving Minnesota, does that possibly make Justin Jefferson
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: available in the trade. Maybe, but man, you're gonna have
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: to give up so much. And we're talking about the
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Patriots needing to you know, draft develop I think that
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: hurts them to that's give up a boatload for Justin Jefferson.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: Well, what if or what if we do the Colin
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: Coward and trade's he's he stinks he can't play now,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: Colin the radio host, I would do this deal that
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: he's going to propose. I don't think there's any chance
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: that Minnesota would. But if the Patriots trade down with
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: Minnesota from three to eleven and Justin Jefferson is in
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: the trade from Minnesota's.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Side, but they want more than that, I don't.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 10: Colin Coward has the Patriots also getting Minnesota's first round
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 10: pick next year in this deal. Yeah, okay, so again
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 10: I'm all for this trade.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: I'll take it.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: I'm all for this trade.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 10: I don't think there's any chance that to move up
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 10: eight spots they're going to give up one of the
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 10: five best players in football plus a future first round pick,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 10: and I think a second round pick is that.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: I don't know how much the deal would look.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Like unless they're trying to do what the Bills doing.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know how much to deal with.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what I think rid of, you know, money.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: No, I don't know how what the deal is actually
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 4: would would look like in terms of all the picks
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: that go back and forth. But make the Vikings have
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: to ante up in that situation, like the Patriots are
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: the ones that are trading down, and you're, well, you're
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: also trading down and handing the Vikings a quarterback in
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: the draft.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 10: But you're trading down, yes, but the guy trading up
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 10: is giving up a lot, like the right.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: But you count Justin Jefferson as an asset, right, so
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: like what it seems, just a regular asset. It's better
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: than anything you're going to get. He's one of my
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: favorite players in the league. I'm not telling you he's bad,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: like it's not. But think about it as Justin Jefferson
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: is worth how many picks und picks? I don't think so.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill didn't even get two first round picks, and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he is. And you're also talking
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: you also have to pay him, Like that's the whole
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: part from the Vikings standpoint, is they might not want
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: to pay Justin Jefferson thirty millionion dollars a year, So
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: that that's guess what that's that's what would make that
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 4: to me is the that's the only reason they're getting
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: rid of them, Like it wouldn't be any other reason.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 10: And that to me would be the the stumbling block
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 10: for Jefferson A Higgins. Like I would say, yes, yes,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 10: and yes. So all three of those guys, take any
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 10: of them. They're all terrific players, and I would be
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 10: willing to trade resources to get them. But the problem
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 10: is you're trading resources, and to make it worth your while,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 10: you now have to give that contract. So you have
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 10: to have some kind of assurance, you know, and I
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 10: know there's ways to do that, so like you can't
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 10: have one. You can't say I'm going to give up
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 10: to you know, like second round picks in consecutive years
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 10: for T Higgins and not have an assurance that you're
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 10: going to be able to retain them.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: No, you're definitely trading for him to sign him to
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: an extension. I don't think Brandon Auk is super realistic either. No,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: I don't think the Niners are trading Brandon AIU t.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: Higgins is the guy. Has always been the guy, whether
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: it was a free agent or he was you know,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: in the trading.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: There's the more chances them trading Deebo Samuel teeah. Yeah,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: that you thing for the Niners. There's more of a
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: chance of them trading Deebo Samuel than ayk.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's a I think that's the That's kind of
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 8: how things have shifted in the.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Last Yeah, but I wouldn't worry about wide receiver if
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: you're a Patriots fan because in this year's draft, our
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: lad has a dual meaning.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 6: Oh did you.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Get so with the amount of just out of curiosity,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: you know, you get what I'm saying.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, fifteen minutes left in the show. With the amount
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 10: of money the Bills have have spent since they let
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 10: all those guys, could you still think all those guys
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 10: were just like money things?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Dave says, of course, Ridley would rather be
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: in Jacksonville, no taxes, the weather's better, quarterbacks better. I
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: would imagine if we would have to offer a considerable
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: amount more than the cheap crafts are willing to pay. Oh,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: that's terrible. I hope we're at least trying to get Higgins.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: We're pretty horrible at selecting wide receivers, so trade Juju
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Thornton a third. We forgot about Thornton.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: When we were No, I didn't.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: I talked about him when not a problem. You guys
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: were trying to tell me where are these here's the door,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: Thank you for coming exactly.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: But will they do that?
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: Why not? I don't doesn't cost them anything.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: I think mac grow really likes him.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 9: No, he's got to go.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 10: Got did I better chance Taekwan throw an on or
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 10: off the roster for next year?
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: Uh off?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: I would say taekwon Thornton is I'll be on record
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: saying on battle battling for like wide receiver five or
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: wide receiver six with Jalennrick.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 8: No stop it, better chance I'll be on the roster
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 8: Juju or Thornton juju Juju.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: Because because of the contract, Rodrigo says, the Jaguars have
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: started a faux bidding war to hide the fact that
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: the deal with Ridley is already done and probably has
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: been done since.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: There really bumming me since.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Before the tampering period, Jaguars are using the Patriots to
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: screw the Falcons. Out of a second round.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: The first possible, Paul being like super Powl, like I
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 8: think it's gonna happen.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: I still think it's gonna happen. I refuse to believe.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: Don't let them bring you down, Paul, You're gonna happen.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 9: At eleven fifty, I think the.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 10: Born signing made so little sense that it has to
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 10: mean Ridley is coming, Like something like that has to
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 10: be happening.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: They Oh, yeah, they are planning on adding a veteran receiver,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: whether it's Calvin Ridley, it's Hollywood Brown, it's a trade
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: for somebody else. Like they're not coming out of this
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: this free agency period without adding a guy that they
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: think is better than Kendrick Bourne. Whether we'd think he's
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: better than Kendrick Bourne, I guess will be remains to
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: be seated.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: But like Hollywood Brown.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see Zane from New Jersey. Why would Justin
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: Jefferson want to play for the Patriots with no quarterbacks
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: but not want to play with Minnesota who also has
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: no quarterback. That trade doesn't make sense to me.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: It's not up to Justin Jefferson's trade.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 9: I'm sure he's not about Sam Donald though.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: No That's why I think that he's on the table
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: because he specifically wanted to see what happened with their
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: quarterback situation.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, now that I think about it when
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: it comes to the Vikings, the fact.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 10: This one's gonna be we're gonna spin it, we're gonna
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 10: spin it going, this one's gonna be good.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: The fact that they you know, weren't in on Cousins.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: He's gone, and then they just got Donald, who I
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: put in the category of Jacoby Pressett. Maybe they are
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: thinking of moving up to get themselves.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: Well Jon McCarthy JJ McCarthy at eleven is obviously in play,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: but they are one hundred percent of trade up team
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: and the Falcons are no longer a trade up team,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: which was a team I wanted if they were going
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: to trade down. Three to eight was where I was
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: thinking was the sweet spot. Even eleven's very far down.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 10: I no question, Freddy, this is the Minnesota is the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 10: version of the Patriots. Signing Sam Donald does not take
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 10: them out of the trade up category, right, just like
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 10: it doesn't take the Patriots out of taking a quarterback
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 10: at three situation right.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: Alex says they should The Patriots should draft MHJ. Sign Ridley,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: take a solid quarterback in the early second round or
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: move up a couple spots.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 10: Okay, okay, the only thing I'm not against the plan
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 10: in general except for the thinking you have the quarterback
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 10: situation solved with the second round pick. For the three
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 10: teams in football that have their quarterback situation solved with
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 10: a you know, post first round quarterback, there's just not
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 10: that many guys. It's basically Dak and Jalen Hurts, Jalen
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 10: Hurts and Brock Purdy. Now, and we know Evan hates
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 10: Brock Purty, so I'm counting him for this exercise.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know why. No, I'm just kidding. I the
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: second round quarterbacks are going to be really Pennix maybe
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: if he falls that far, Nicks I think will definitely
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: be there. And then maybe Spencer Rattler is more like
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: a third or fourth round quarterback. And those those are
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: the three guys that have any sort of start. Kid
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: from Tulane at all. Yeah, he was awful at the Senior.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 10: Bowl, but I don't care about the Senior Bowl. Did
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 10: you guys watch him? Like any tape or anything like?
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 10: The Senior Bowl to me is like a very minor
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 10: piece of the puzzle. I think the better thing for
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 10: the Senior Bowl was they talked to the coaches and stuff.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 10: They get to sort of know people like what actually
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 10: happens on the field.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: To me is well, practices are more important than the game.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 10: Yeah, but it's largely irrelevant to me. To me, I
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 10: mean a lot of people have different opinions, but I
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 10: just meant as like one of those Day three kind
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 10: of quarterbacks.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: As he got anything. I heard some people.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 4: Talking about, you know, he's he's a rhythm thrower, like
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: he's an on time passer, a guy that has some accuracy, but.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: Kind of a mobile pocket down.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think I read somewhere he can move around
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: a little bit. I'm trying to think of a good comparison.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: He's he's not very physically, you know, he doesn't have
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: a great arm.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 10: I will say I've seen Tulane play a handful of
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 10: times and have not been impressed with him, you know,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 10: like he didn't stand out to me. Tulane's one of
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 10: those teams that tends to be on on the yeah,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 10: you know, and like those different windows at different.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: Times, I was, oh Tulane, you know, and you watch it.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing with him, the reason why
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: he struggled at the Senior Bowl, is that he is
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: a guy that needs to be on time because he
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: doesn't have great arm talent. So in Tulane, when he's
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: in this offense for years, he's he can be on
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: script all the time and it works. But once he
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: got to the Senior Bowl and he was a little tickulate,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: heretickulate there. That's when he started to struggle. He's your
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: typical fourth round, early day three back, serviceable backup type
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: of quarterback.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Ford and Savannah. With the recent success of the Chase
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Burrow combo, we could get a baby version of this
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: UH with if we drafted Dunze in Pennix. I'd love
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: a quarterback with the third pick. However, if they aren't
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: thrilled with whoever's left, a trade down to get Rome
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: at Dunze and then possibly back up to get Pennix
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: could be the best option overall UH more than the
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: injury history having one of his worst games on the
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: national stages keeping him wildly undervalued when he could end
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: up as the best quarterback in this draft. How much
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: do you all think college chemistry is worth between high
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: draft picks at the quarterback and wide receiver position.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: A little bit.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 8: But I think Dunesday is a beast and he's gonna
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 8: probably click with just about anybody.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: It helps you hit the ground running, There's no doubt.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 10: About it doesn't hurt he has a rapport with one
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 10: of his top receivers.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 8: I mean, how can how can that be a bad transition?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 6: A little bit?
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 9: Burrow and Chase was that was an impeccable thing for
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 9: him to be able.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: To do that.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 10: But I think there's just as good a chance of
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 10: him being the worst quarterback out of the top five too.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: Like I don't like.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 10: You can talk yourself into whoever, whoever they take, Tom
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 10: telling you right now when a forecast, whatever they take,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 10: is going to be the guy everybody talks themselves into
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 10: Pennex A low floor, high ceiling guy.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: Uh. I would say he's more of a floor guy.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: I think he's a high floor Yeah, Oh you think
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: he's a high floor. Well, I thought he could be
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: a boomer bust guy.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 10: Well, I think the email you're talking about playing, if
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 10: he's healthy, I think he will not be a bust.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: He's he had. His on field concern is pressure. You know,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: he's not very mobile, he's not very he doesn't have
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: great es capability, and he doesn't throw well off platform.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 10: So that's why I I sort of balked it when
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 10: you said, like I like the try hard guys, Like,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 10: it's not about try hard, it's about having a skill
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 10: set that's like base, like reach, the defense as well,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 10: good arm, throws accurately, like he has like this face
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 10: set of skills. Like that's not a try hard like J. J.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 10: McCarthy's not a try.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: Hard if he has a clean if Michael Pennix from
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: a clean pocket is probably one of the best quarterbacks
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: in this class. The second that you start to add
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: the stuff around him, that's when it gets a little.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: That's Ben a try hard guy.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: He's just not very good.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: Who's a try hard guyard.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 10: And he's one of the most athletic guys that you'll
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 10: he's a try hard I'm gonna run around and be bamby.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna really do what I'm gay.
• 1:23:09
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