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Speaker 1: He's the report. Labor politicians in Canberra must now see
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Speaker 1: their Prime Minister is a broken man. He's shaken, shocked,
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Speaker 1: he's scared and shunned. I wonder how long it will
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Speaker 1: take before they conclude that while Anthony Abenezi is their leader,
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Speaker 1: they share his shame over the Moondai massacre of the Jews. Now,
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Speaker 1: I thought it was too early to say this, but
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Speaker 1: I say it now, after last night and today, Anthony
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Speaker 1: Albanize must go. In the last twenty four hours, he
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Speaker 1: has seen the world ride revulsion, and not just the
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Speaker 1: murder of fifteen people at this Jewish celebration allegedly bytoo
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Speaker 1: Muslim gunmen, but also a revulsion at his role in
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Speaker 1: what went before, doing so little to find an explosion
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Speaker 1: of jew hatred that on Sunday helped cost the lives
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Speaker 1: of all those people. And when Albanizy did today finally
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Speaker 1: promised tough new laws and hate preachers and hate speech,
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Speaker 1: it was actually a devastating admission that he was acting
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Speaker 1: far too late and still too little. He promised laws
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Speaker 1: today that he could have and should have promised last
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Speaker 1: year or the year before, when Jews were already begging
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Speaker 1: him for protection, and today there was finally, at least
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Speaker 1: the very grudging admission that he had failed us. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, he had regrets, regrets that were prized out
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Speaker 1: of him by journalists that maybe he hadn't done enough,
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Speaker 1: But still no sorry.
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Speaker 2: Is there a part of you that regrets not acting
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Speaker 2: earlier with more strength and conviction to try and do
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Speaker 2: more earlier? And for the pain that Jewish Australians and
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Speaker 2: all Australians are feeling right now, do you apologize for that?
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Speaker 3: My heart goes out to Jewish Australians. Is there more
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Speaker 3: that can be done? There is always more that can
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Speaker 3: be done, Always, and quite clearly there's more to do,
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Speaker 3: and on top of these announcements there'll be more to
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Speaker 3: do as well. What we have been doing is working
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Speaker 3: through the report of the Special Envoy, implementing a range
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Speaker 3: of measures, but always indicating there will be more to do.
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Speaker 3: And I indicate here as well, there will be more
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Speaker 3: to do to stamp this out. Of course, acknowledge that
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Speaker 3: more could have been done, and I accept my responsibility
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Speaker 3: for the part in that. As Prime Minister of Australia.
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Speaker 1: I know it's a big call. Anthony Albiniz, you must go.
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Speaker 1: It'll take time for a lot of other people to
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Speaker 1: suddenly realize I think he must. So let me show
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Speaker 1: you what else I've seen that's made me change my mind,
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Speaker 1: starting with un footage from last night of a man
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Speaker 1: now in absolute hell. Now Albanize does not dare visit synagogues,
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Speaker 1: does not even visit the funerals of the dead, like
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Speaker 1: the one to day of ten year old Matilda shot
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Speaker 1: at a petting zoo that was set up next to
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Speaker 1: that Huneker celebration at Bondai. He didn't even ask to go,
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Speaker 1: didn't dare after Matilda's father yesterday blamed him for her death.
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Speaker 1: Morn As today could not forgive Albanesi either, is there.
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Speaker 4: A place for a prime minister to come here?
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Speaker 1: Should you be here?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 6: Because he has him that golds blood on his hands.
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Speaker 1: So last night Albanzi when instead to somebody thought would
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Speaker 1: be safer Saint Mary's Cathedral, a Catholic cathedral, not a synagogue,
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Speaker 1: to a commemoration of the Bonda dead. But if he
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Speaker 1: thought he could hide there from humiliation, it didn't work.
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Speaker 1: Albanzi had to sit and listen as a Jewish leader
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Speaker 1: finally told him to his faith of a deadly lack
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Speaker 1: of leadership. Now you watch as everyone applauded Rebbi ben Elton,
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Speaker 1: even the new South Wales premier sitting next to ALBANIZI
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Speaker 1: applauded everyone except Albanzi isolated.
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Speaker 7: Over the past two years, antisemitism in Australia has run riot.
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Speaker 7: It has not been checked, it has not been stopped.
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Speaker 7: Whatever has been done has been insufficient. April rhetoric has
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Speaker 7: to stop. Demonization has to stop. Pandering to movements that
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Speaker 7: want to kill every Jew everywhere has to stop.
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Speaker 2: The first duty of a state.
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Speaker 7: Is to defend its citizens, all its citizens, including Jewish citizens.
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Speaker 8: I have no doubt.
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Speaker 1: Well today Albanezi did promise actions, some of which Jews
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Speaker 1: had asked for last year. Among other things, has promised
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Speaker 1: new powers to reject visas for people spreading hate, tougher
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Speaker 1: penalties for hate speech urging violence, new offenses to crack
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Speaker 1: down on hate preachers, new moves the curb online anti semitism,
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Speaker 1: and tougher rules on racism and anti semitism on campuses.
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Speaker 1: But the obvious question is why wasn't this done earlier?
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Speaker 1: I mean, Jewish leaders were begging for exactly this kind
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Speaker 1: of protection and the answer is, well, all too hard.
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Speaker 9: Should you have put these in place a year ago
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Speaker 9: when it was on the table, and is this the
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Speaker 9: main thing that's changed.
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Speaker 10: To get you to take that action today. Let's start
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Speaker 10: with the context that for about a decade, the main
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Speaker 10: argument that was happening in Australia was about weakening hate
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Speaker 10: speech laws, and that was the debate that was happening
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Speaker 10: in this building. This government under Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi
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Speaker 10: has been strengthening hate speech laws. Going the next step
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Speaker 10: in the reference you're referring to was effectively a proposal
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Speaker 10: of mimicking the WA legislation. You need to remember the
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Speaker 10: heads of power here are complex. This is not simple drafting.
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Speaker 1: One an indictment And nowhere was this explained. What has
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Speaker 1: changed in Australia in the past thirty years that makes
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Speaker 1: us need today? What Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke was
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Speaker 1: boasting with the toughest laws on our free speech we've
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Speaker 1: ever had.
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Speaker 10: The Prime Minister's announcements today take Australia into new legal territory,
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Speaker 10: creating new offenses that have never before existed in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Now I suggest that we need these laws now mostly
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Speaker 1: because of the kind of people in cultures we have
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Speaker 1: recently imported. But on that issue, the Prime Minister today
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Speaker 1: had nothing to say. Hatred is being muzzled, maybe, but
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Speaker 1: the haters are still here. And I wonder how any
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Speaker 1: of these rules announced today, or the outlines of them,
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Speaker 1: the promise of them, will stop the kind of jew
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Speaker 1: hatred that one of the Jewish mourners today described.
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Speaker 6: Let me just tell you all of you how many
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Speaker 6: bloody stars of David I could possibly have. I couldn't
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Speaker 6: get anymore if I tried. I can't because I will
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Speaker 6: never hide who I am. I am proud who I am,
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Speaker 6: and I'm also as maybe even more proud of my australianness.
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Speaker 6: So Matilda, a white coffin of a baby, we have
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Speaker 6: all failed her. She is a ray of sunshine. Her
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Speaker 6: friends described her as the most friendly, most.
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Speaker 5: Beautiful, happy child.
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Speaker 6: I ran the city to surf in this Okay with
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Speaker 6: my eight year old son and my husband. We got heckled,
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Speaker 6: We got sworn at Australian flag and Israeli flag. Somehow,
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Speaker 6: the rhetoric over two years when the Jewish people were
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Speaker 6: attacked for the worst and first times, the worst time
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Speaker 6: since the Holocaust.
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Speaker 5: Do you know something.
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Speaker 6: My therapist is non Jewish.
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Speaker 5: Her office is down the road in Wallara.
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Speaker 6: I walked into her office the day after the seventh
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Speaker 6: of October and I.
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Speaker 5: Said to her, will you hide me? And I wasn't
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Speaker 5: joking because I was.
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Speaker 6: Scared for two years that this is exactly what was
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Speaker 6: gonna happen. My eight year old son was walking home
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Speaker 6: from his school. He was wearing a kippy. He doesn't
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Speaker 6: always wear it, but it's part of his uniform. A
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Speaker 6: woman wearing a hijab looked at my son wearing a
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Speaker 6: kipper and she swore at him.
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Speaker 5: She said f you, and she put up her middle finger.
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Speaker 5: He was okay. My father was running. He has a kipper,
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Speaker 5: he has a beer. He looks very religious. Random people
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Speaker 5: in courgy. And let me just say something.
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Speaker 6: When it is the little things of these little moments
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Speaker 6: of hatred in Wallara, the spray paint where my therapist is,
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Speaker 6: of f.
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Speaker 5: The Jews and gas the Jews and burn the Jews.
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Speaker 1: I mean that is due hatred that you can only
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Speaker 1: hope to limit by shutting the gate. It's been imported.
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Speaker 1: So how about Albinezi, I don't know, canceling the tourism
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Speaker 1: visas of the three thousand people's just invited to come
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Speaker 1: from terrorists run gaza or is that too likely to
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Speaker 1: upset Labour's Muslim voters. But it seems the Opposition leader
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Speaker 1: at least is leaning this way now.
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Speaker 11: The package that the Prime Minister announced today is something
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Speaker 11: that he should have announced two years ago. And then
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Speaker 11: just as a start, I don't have faith in the
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Speaker 11: prime minister. This is the prime minister who is allowing
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Speaker 11: a self managed return of ISIS members. I didn't tell
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Speaker 11: the truth to the Parliament and the Australian people about
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Speaker 11: the return of these so called ISIS brides. I don't
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Speaker 11: trust that Prime Minister to get this right.
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Speaker 1: No, what Albanezi announced the day is all too late.
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Speaker 1: Jews have been murdered and our prime minister does not
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Speaker 1: even dare look mourners in the eye and isn't welcome anyway.
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Speaker 12: After the Port arp In massacre, John Howard went to rallies,
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Speaker 12: He engaged face to face in the community. Even after
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Speaker 12: the bushwise Scott Morrison went down to the South Coast
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Speaker 12: and got some tough feedback. My question is why haven't
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Speaker 12: you attended any of the funerals why have you been
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Speaker 12: saying that you weren't invited. Generally, the process is that
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Speaker 12: the Prime Minister's office reaches out to the families and
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Speaker 12: asks permission, respectfully to attend, and will you be returning
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Speaker 12: to Bondai to meet with victims face to face, even
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Speaker 12: if that means receiving some really tough criticism.
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Speaker 3: I have done that. I met with police, I've met
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Speaker 3: with members of the community. I've been to homes in Bondai.
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Speaker 8: You asked you at funeral.
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Speaker 3: I respect the wishes of families.
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Speaker 1: Usef's Premier Chrismians. Did dare go to that funeral? Albanezi
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Speaker 1: rival tenure pliversek in his ministry. She did dared go
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Speaker 1: as well, was welcome. He didn't. He hid in Canberra.
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Speaker 1: And all this and more tells me that Albanezi must go.
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Speaker 1: A prime minister too scared to go to the Sydney
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Speaker 1: funeral of a girl called Matilda killed in this bonfire
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Speaker 1: of due hatred that is erupted under his watch, a
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Speaker 1: bonfire fed by his miserable political calculation the showing hatred
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Speaker 1: for Israel would win him Muslim votes, A grubby and
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Speaker 1: deadly mistake that was for which Anthony even easy must
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Speaker 1: now pay Joining me is our regular Thursday commentator for me.
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce now with One Nation. Barnaby Joyce,
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Speaker 1: thank you for your time. You were at Bondai yesterday
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Speaker 1: to meet mourners. But the Prime Minister doesn't dare go.
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Speaker 1: What does that tell you.
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Speaker 9: That he knows that he's in the wrong and he
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Speaker 9: hasn't done enough and I don't know whether it being
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Speaker 9: in the wrong is the solution here. He's got to
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Speaker 9: basically come up with a suite of proactive measures. What
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Speaker 9: we have overwhelmingly is discussions about what to do after
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Speaker 9: the horse has bolted. This has to be a case
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Speaker 9: of don't buy the horse. You've got to be a
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Speaker 9: lot more stringent and come forward with how you select
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Speaker 9: people to come to Australia, what is the process of
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Speaker 9: how you do it, and have a greater period of
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Speaker 9: basically you know where you haven't been given citizenship and
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Speaker 9: we're watching it, and also a clear contractual relationship of
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Speaker 9: if we have from a certain area, for whatever reason,
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Speaker 9: an inordinate number a higher proportion than you would expect
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Speaker 9: of problems, then we have to do the right thing
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Speaker 9: by the Australian people and say no until things settle
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Speaker 9: down there, until there's a change of mind or a
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Speaker 9: change of view, we can't be bringing in immigrants from
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Speaker 9: that part of the world. I think the istral people
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Speaker 9: want something definitive. What we are seeing is a lot
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Speaker 9: of statements of the bleeding obvious, a lot of platitudes
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Speaker 9: and a lot of well when this you know, this
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Speaker 9: is what we're going to do if someone's involved with
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Speaker 9: hate speech?
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Speaker 8: Okayes absolutely. The question got asked prior to.
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Speaker 9: That is why is there someone in Australia who's indulging
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Speaker 9: in hate speech? Where did this person who is indulging
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Speaker 9: in hate speech come from? What is the what is
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Speaker 9: the aspect, the cultural aspect that sits behind that which
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Speaker 9: is a completely at odds with the Australian culture.
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Speaker 8: We are not a multicultural society.
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Speaker 9: We are a culture and Australian culture and you have
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Speaker 9: to abide by it. Now, Miss Dalebenezi is in trouble.
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Speaker 9: There is a real sense out there that he's not
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Speaker 9: up to the job.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's now becoming clear. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: interesting the last immigration minister I heard talk in the
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Speaker 1: way that you're suggesting was the late Kevin Andrews this
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Speaker 1: is many years ago, who suggested slowing down immigration from
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Speaker 1: certain African countries given the difficulty of minorities from that
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Speaker 1: country integrating here, crime rates and things, so that he
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Speaker 1: was blasted Barnaby, as you well know, as a racist.
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Speaker 1: And since then, we've imported people, including five Muslim refugees,
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Speaker 1: who committed terrorist attacks on our soil. I don't think
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Speaker 1: we've learned the lesson that of what you're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Why is that? Why has there been a reluctance to
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Speaker 1: at least publicly say immigration from these particular countries will
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Speaker 1: be limited until we can prove that we can properly
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Speaker 1: settle the majority, you know, most of them that are
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Speaker 1: here already.
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Speaker 9: And that's what other countries do, by the way, other countries,
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Speaker 9: outrageous countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Korea.
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Speaker 8: It's not like it's not something new.
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Speaker 9: These are both Islamic countries and you know, suppose Shinto
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Speaker 9: countries and Buddhist country There are other places in the
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Speaker 9: world that do precisely this, and the reason they do
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Speaker 9: it is maybe they're just a lot more aware of
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Speaker 9: the problems you can have now it's it's it's really
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Speaker 9: a contractual basis for that. If you come to Australia,
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Speaker 9: you are not only a representation of yourself, you're a
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Speaker 9: representation of where you come from, your representation of that
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Speaker 9: culture of where you come from. And you have to
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Speaker 9: understand that there is a period of observation in some
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Speaker 9: instance should be a long period of observation to say okay,
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Speaker 9: that is works in harmony with what Australia is. And
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Speaker 9: you know, if it's thishard, if it's if there's a
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Speaker 9: sort of discordant vitriolic process. Remember what we saw the
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Speaker 9: other days people mass murderers who hate Australia. They did
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Speaker 9: say they and it's sort of even now got this
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Speaker 9: sort of weird amalgam of you know about you know,
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Speaker 9: it's it's about a Jewish Other people think no, it's yeah,
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Speaker 9: it's absolutely about Jewish, it's an absolute.
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Speaker 8: But it's it's people.
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Speaker 9: Would there be a different reaction to this one, Miss
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Speaker 9: Albinezy if they've gone to Leichhart and killed a whole
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Speaker 9: heap of Italian people, or gone down to Botany and
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Speaker 9: killed the whole heap of Greek or gone out of
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Speaker 9: the country to Walgut and killed the whole heap of aboriginals.
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Speaker 9: I mean, just the fact that he could that is
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Speaker 9: happening in Australia.
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Speaker 8: Isn't is bizarre.
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Speaker 9: It's an outrage and of course that causes us that
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Speaker 9: we have to do something that's way beyond what we've
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Speaker 9: done in the past, because what we've done in the
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Speaker 9: gas is not working.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. A lot of people are saying that
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Speaker 1: one of the heroes of bondau is Is was a
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Speaker 1: Muslim man who tackled unarmed one of the gunmen, incredibly brave.
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Speaker 1: All credit to him. Three Jews also did the same
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Speaker 1: they were killed. But I have to point out that
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Speaker 1: that hero of Bondai a very very popular palace in
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Speaker 1: your website, in the palace and the authority, well, there's
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Speaker 1: been a survey done and most of the readers who
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Speaker 1: comment on it are calling him a traitor and hate him.
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Speaker 1: So there's something over there that's in the water that
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Speaker 1: I don't know that we need to import. I asked Barnaby.
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Speaker 1: I said, you know, the Prime Minister has finished, he
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Speaker 1: should go. You know, it's easy to say that, and
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Speaker 1: you know how politics works. There's a Christmas break coming up.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister will, no doubt trying to wait it out.
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Speaker 1: He'll then hope people have moved on and then you know,
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Speaker 1: politics back to normal. Do you think it's going to
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Speaker 1: work like that again or is he finished? Has it
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Speaker 1: something snapped?
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Speaker 9: I think something has snapped. And as we speak tonight,
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Speaker 9: Andrew his bucktier is still legal in Australia as we
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Speaker 9: speak tonight. The Islamic Brotherhood still legal in Australia. As
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Speaker 9: we speak tonight. Not one piece of legislation has been
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Speaker 9: through any a house, in both the federal or the
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Speaker 9: state levels to deal with this.
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Speaker 8: As we speak tonight, no one's been called back to Parliament.
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Speaker 9: I mean, as we speak tonight, Andrew, to be quite frank,
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Speaker 9: not much has happened at all.
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Speaker 1: Well, there's been a press conference. I mean, well, I've
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Speaker 1: got to say, Barnaby, I find it ironic that the
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Speaker 1: press the Prime Minister has given press conferences calling for
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Speaker 1: unity standing in front of three flags, I mean, a
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Speaker 1: symbol of a division that I think has really got
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Speaker 1: to reflect on far more broadly than he has to date.
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Speaker 1: Barnaby Joyce, thank you so much for your time. After
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Speaker 1: the break, I can't believe the people saying I never
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Speaker 1: dreamed that Bondo massacre would happen here, coming up astonishing
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Speaker 1: examples of how the media helped to blind us to
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Speaker 1: that danger until too late. Now you're probably amazed that
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Speaker 1: here's so many people, even the prime ministers say I
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Speaker 1: couldn't have imagine this massacre of Jews could happen here.
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Speaker 1: Why do they think? Jews have had guards and bollards
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Speaker 1: for years defending their schools and synagogues. But one explanation
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Speaker 1: for this failure to see the danger is something I've
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Speaker 1: seen close up. It's the media, how desperate it's been
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Speaker 1: not to see and not to tell you of the
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Speaker 1: rising hate. I mean, just last night you might have
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Speaker 1: seen the latest example. ABC journalist Sarah Ferguson asking an
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Speaker 1: outrageous question of former Treasurer Josh Fredenberg, a Jew, on
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Speaker 1: seven point thirty after he passionately accused the Albanizer government
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Speaker 1: of having done shamefully little to fight this eruption of
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Speaker 1: Jew hatred.
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Speaker 12: How do we not see this through a political lens,
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Speaker 12: I mean the case that you're making a personal case
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Speaker 12: against the Prime minister.
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Speaker 13: I'm deeply offended by what you just said.
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Speaker 1: I'm deeply offended.
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Speaker 13: Explain that, and and you know what, there was a
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Speaker 13: man called Murray Watt, who sits on the labor front bench,
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Speaker 13: who tried to say that about a year ago. And
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Speaker 13: then labor ministers like Mike Kelly and others, Hey no
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Speaker 13: hear me out who came out and said exactly what
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Speaker 13: I'm about to say, which is that is an insult.
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Speaker 13: That is an insult to say that there's any political
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Speaker 13: motivation in this.
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Speaker 1: No, Sarah, The reality is this.
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Speaker 13: I'm an Australian who has to have personal security because
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Speaker 13: my life is endangered in this country and I was
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Speaker 13: the treasurer of this country. My children go to a
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Speaker 13: school where there are armed guards outside. When I visit
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Speaker 13: a Jewish age care center, there are armed guards outside.
21:38
Speaker 13: When I send my kids to Jewish sporting clubs, there
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Speaker 13: are police cars out there and police tape.
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Speaker 1: How should we live with this? Why should we live
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Speaker 1: with this?
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Speaker 13: So, if I'm not going to speak out, who is
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Speaker 13: if not now?
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Speaker 1: When? If not me? Who for this? The media not
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Speaker 1: wanting to know it goes back years. I mean I
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Speaker 1: learned it twenty four years ago when SBS after the
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Speaker 1: September eleven terror attacks. Wanted to interview me about Muslim
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Speaker 1: extremism here, which I've worn about for years because the
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Speaker 1: races for now they came, and I mentioned then the
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Speaker 1: hate preacher Shake Hillaye, who is now dead. He'd come
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Speaker 1: here from Egypt. Was our musty, the aus Australian musty,
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Speaker 1: despite having praised Terra scripts like Hesblah and preaching a
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Speaker 1: contempt for Australia.
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Speaker 4: While Australia is no longer Anglo Saxon, We've been in
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Speaker 4: Australia longer than them. Islam is deep rooted in the
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Speaker 4: Australian soil. That Islam was here before the English fleet.
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Speaker 1: Now do you know what SBS told me? They had
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Speaker 1: actually taped Hillaye before the September eleven attacks, calling suicide
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Speaker 1: bummers heroes, but they wouldn't show it because it's said
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Speaker 1: it before September eleven, to be unfair to hold it
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Speaker 1: against them after it, which I found unbelievable now as
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Speaker 1: it was. He Lei al Mufti still went on to
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Speaker 1: call that attack September eleven that killed three thousand innocent
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Speaker 1: people God's work against oppressus. So everyone should have woken
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Speaker 1: up decades ago to a real problem that was growing here,
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Speaker 1: especially in Sydney, A lack of integration a danger, but
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Speaker 1: the media did not want to know. In fact, just
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Speaker 1: last week, just three days before the Bondo massacre, the
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Speaker 1: ABC was at that game again, demonizing Australia and blinding
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Speaker 1: us to another warning we should have got. It was
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Speaker 1: a report on the Cronella riots of twenty years ago.
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Speaker 4: Twenty years ago today, the nation was shocked by violent
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Speaker 4: race riots at Kronalla in Sydney.
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Speaker 1: South.
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Speaker 4: Middle Eastern Australians were targeted in the first wave of
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Speaker 4: attacks at the beach.
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Speaker 1: Then came retaliation.
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Speaker 14: A Sydney summer's day turned sinister. Five thousand locals, fueled
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Speaker 14: by alcohol and anger, swarm the streets. The crowd galvanized
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Speaker 14: by talkback radio and viral text message a call to
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Speaker 14: come to the beach for a leb and wog bashing day.
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Speaker 15: There is deep concern down there isn't that of Middle
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Speaker 15: Eastern invasion.
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Speaker 5: Anyone who looks Middle Eastern is chased by the mob
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Speaker 5: that night and in.
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Speaker 16: Following days Middle Eastern Australians gathered for retaliation attacks. The
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Speaker 16: incident that sparked the riots happened here at North Cronulla Beach,
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Speaker 16: a fight broke out between young life savers and a
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Speaker 16: group of Middle Eastern men, and one Lebanese Australian man
24:56
Speaker 16: was charged, but police say the story about what happened
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Speaker 16: here was blown out of proportion. Now as Beta anti immigration,
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Speaker 16: much as in Sydney and Melbourne, has the Race Discrimination
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Speaker 16: Commissioner worried.
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Speaker 4: I'm concerned that we could have another Cronulla right at
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Speaker 4: some point, and it all stems from a belief that
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Speaker 4: some people are superior to others.
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Speaker 14: A concept Australia continues to grapple.
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Speaker 1: With Incredible to fact check that I was joined earlier
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Speaker 1: by journalists and author Tony Thomas, who has written about
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Speaker 1: this four quadrant online based on claims made in the
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Speaker 1: book published last year by a former police minister and
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Speaker 1: police commissioner who led the response to the Cronulla riots.
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Speaker 1: Tony Thomas, thank you so much for joining us Tony
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Speaker 1: in the ABC world. Cronulla is a story about white
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Speaker 1: Australian racism. It's not about a dangerous lack of integration
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Speaker 1: of some and I mean just some Muslim men in Sydney.
25:56
Speaker 1: Take us through what we just saw that from that
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Speaker 1: ABC rep and what we should in fact know.
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Speaker 15: Well, the ABC is doing a double gas lighting. Firstly,
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Speaker 15: it's gas lighting all the citizens of Cronulla that were
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Speaker 15: fed up with having a hard time from the Lebanese Muslims.
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Speaker 15: Let's not quibble about it. That's what the Human Rights
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Speaker 15: Commission referred to them, as they'd given the locals terrible
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Speaker 15: time on the beach, harassing girls, beating up men and
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Speaker 15: so especially after three Life savers were bashed, including one
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Speaker 15: seriously injured with head injuries, there was a take back
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Speaker 15: the beach rally and this was by and large peaceful,
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Speaker 15: but there were half a dozen scuffles, bad incidents, ugly
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Speaker 15: scenes lasting a few seconds each because there were hundreds
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Speaker 15: of police there and they shut down these minor assaults
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Speaker 15: almost immediately.
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Speaker 1: Now there are a couple of things. First I should
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Speaker 1: state I mean, I will say it again because we
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Speaker 1: don't want to be misunderstood. We're talking about a small
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Speaker 1: minority of young us of the men, that's all a
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Speaker 1: small minority, and we're not excusing at all any violence
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Speaker 1: from the people that were at the beach at all.
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Speaker 1: We don't like that, we don't endorse it. That's not
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Speaker 1: what we're saying Now, one of the things that struck
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Speaker 1: me is that you said that provoking the beach rally
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Speaker 1: was an assault on some surf Life savers. You made
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Speaker 1: it sound very serious. The ABC didn't at all. Where
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Speaker 1: is the what should we know about that?
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Speaker 15: Well, what happened was that eight Lebanese Muslims. I'm sorry,
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Speaker 15: but that's the fact that we're waiting at the clubroom
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Speaker 15: to ambush Life savers coming off their shift. Three Life
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Speaker 15: savers arrived, there was a bit of a verbal altercation.
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Speaker 15: The next thing, the three Life savers were all bashed.
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Speaker 15: One was hit his head being struck down onto the
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Speaker 15: concrete and he had a serious head injury. The others
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Speaker 15: were punched in the face and the young horrible men
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Speaker 15: were even punching bystanders in the face. So this was
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Speaker 15: why there was a huge upsurge of emotion in Sydney.
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Speaker 1: All Right, we've dealt with that bashing of those Lifesavers
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Speaker 1: that the ABC barely referred to just brushed aside. Now,
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Speaker 1: the ABC had a brief mention as well of the
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Speaker 1: counter protests or the retaliation from young Muslim men after
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Speaker 1: that confrontation on the beach. It showed one scene of
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Speaker 1: pack attack on someone, but that was it and moved
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Speaker 1: quickly on. I suspect it was a little more serious
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Speaker 1: than that. What do you know?
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Speaker 15: After the Aussie so called riots of Sunday afternoon, the
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Speaker 15: TV stitched together half a dozen minor assaults and incidents
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Speaker 15: to make it look like there was a terrible Australian
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Speaker 15: assault on their own community, and they were then outraged
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Speaker 15: and ready to do great violence. This violence included getting
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Speaker 15: hold of a stolen Army hand grenade, using an Utsi
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Speaker 15: Israeli submachine gun and to drive past Northe's Beer Garden,
29:34
Speaker 15: the main hotel in North Cronulla, spray it with Utsi bullets,
29:39
Speaker 15: throw the hand grenade in and speed off. And this
29:42
Speaker 15: was only averted because police undercover agents were able to
29:46
Speaker 15: get hold of that hand grenade by buying it and
29:50
Speaker 15: then having it exploded harmlessly.
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Speaker 1: Tony Thomas, the ABC take on this, The big story
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Speaker 1: is we have a white racist problem. Young Muslim men
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Speaker 1: are getting picked on and it's going to happen again
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Speaker 1: because this is all evil. How serious is that that
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Speaker 1: kind of reading for us? Because it seems to me
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Speaker 1: that incites a victim mentality that among young Elebniese men.
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Speaker 1: And it incites also this idea that you know, we
30:29
Speaker 1: should actually look away from a real trouble of integration
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Speaker 1: of some of those men in Sydney. Yes.
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Speaker 15: Well, the amazing thing is that what the police describe
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Speaker 15: as the worst violence in Australian history in two thousand
30:46
Speaker 15: and five from the Western Sydney Siders was almost unknown.
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Speaker 15: There was a couple of minor press pieces and the
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Speaker 15: rest was hushed up for twenty years until Mark Scully,
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Speaker 15: the Labor Party's Police Minister in the State Parliament, and
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Speaker 15: Mark Goodwin, the Assistant Commissioner who controlled two thousand police
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Speaker 15: who prevented these things happening. Their reports were what's the
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Speaker 15: word for it, pigeonhole, a pigeonhole for twenty years, until
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Speaker 15: they finally had had enough and they told all in
31:23
Speaker 15: their book called the Cronulla Riots The Inside Story a
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Speaker 15: year ago. So it's because the public has simply got
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Speaker 15: no idea of the potential violence that's out there that
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Speaker 15: the politicians are able to get away with all this
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Speaker 15: soft soaping.
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Speaker 1: Tony Thomas, thank you so much. Indeed, this is really
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Speaker 1: a warning, one of the many warnings that people who've
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Speaker 1: ignored for far too long. Thank you for your time,
31:50
Speaker 1: Thank you. After the break. One council canceling New Year's
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Speaker 1: Eve fireworks at Bundo Beach, another restricting Christmas carols? Is
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Speaker 1: that a win for the terrorists? What a way to
32:09
Speaker 1: end this year. I mean, I feel such sadness, a
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Speaker 1: heavy sadness, and not just for the dead and those
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Speaker 1: mourning them. It's a sadness now what has become of
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Speaker 1: my country? It's just heartbreaking. It's not just me. I
32:26
Speaker 1: mean the local councilors now cancel New Year's Eve celebrations
32:29
Speaker 1: at Bundo Beach, respect for the dead and all that
32:33
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Maybe security as well. Facts on the ground,
32:36
Speaker 1: they say Sydney, of the City of Sydney, they've canceled
32:40
Speaker 1: carols in the city for next week. The main event
32:42
Speaker 1: is still go on, but for next week. I guess
32:44
Speaker 1: it's a bit hard to go ho ho ho. But
32:48
Speaker 1: this is how, of course, terrorists win. And this is
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Speaker 1: how we know that multiculturalism well, it's destroying us if
32:54
Speaker 1: this is the result, this is how we must live.
32:57
Speaker 1: Joining me a Gemtonini, colonnists and communication consultant, The CAROLINEA. Russo,
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Speaker 1: commentator and president of the West Australian liberals. Jemma, how
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Speaker 1: are you feeling about this country after witnessing this horror
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Speaker 1: and this suffering?
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Speaker 17: I think the best way to describe it, Andrew. For me, personally,
33:16
Speaker 17: I was okay until I really wasn't okay, and I
33:19
Speaker 17: think that many people can relate to that. I'm a
33:23
Speaker 17: hopeful person by nature, positive person by nature. I've long
33:28
Speaker 17: described this problem of radical Islamic hatred towards Jews and
33:34
Speaker 17: broad at anti Semitism within Australia as a boil that
33:38
Speaker 17: has needed to be lanced, and we are really in
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Speaker 17: the thick of that right now.
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Speaker 18: And what a terrible, terrible price to pay.
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Speaker 17: The reason I have hope, though, Andrew, is because of
33:51
Speaker 17: the visceral backlash to this government. And I'm not being
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Speaker 17: political when I say that the visceral backlash from everyday
33:58
Speaker 17: Australians and some people from within the Labor Party to
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Speaker 17: the part of this that lies squarely at the feet
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Speaker 17: of government cowardice, government failure, and government inability and unwillingness
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Speaker 17: to acknowledge the problem that we now find ourselves reaping
34:17
Speaker 17: the whirlwind of. And I have hope because of people
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Speaker 17: like Josh Fredenberg. I have hope because of people like
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Speaker 17: Ahmed al Ahmed. I have hope because of the young
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Speaker 17: policeman who ran into that danger in the clubbies who
34:29
Speaker 17: ran off the beach in the sand and into the fray,
34:31
Speaker 17: and normal people, ordinary people like me, who are just
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Speaker 17: not prepared to have this. My dad came to Australia
34:38
Speaker 17: on a boat when he was a ten year old
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Speaker 17: kid with my nonna, and you know, Australia was their
34:44
Speaker 17: home and they kept their cultural connection to Italy but
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Speaker 17: made Australia and Australian values their home and that is
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Speaker 17: so very important.
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Speaker 1: But Caroline, you know when I hear that from gem
34:59
Speaker 1: andarents came here the year before I was born, and
35:03
Speaker 1: fail they had to fit in as well, but they
35:07
Speaker 1: kept their traditions. I've kept a few Dutch traditions, but
35:11
Speaker 1: you know, Australia was simpatico. We could fit in. I
35:14
Speaker 1: think this is going to be a real debate, isn't it.
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Speaker 18: I think it will be a real debate.
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Speaker 19: And I think both my parents, you know, like Jema's dad,
35:24
Speaker 19: both my parents came as.
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Speaker 18: Five year olds.
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Speaker 19: They have Italian names, but they're Anglicized for practical purposes,
35:30
Speaker 19: you know. And then I know, nineteen fifties Australia is
35:34
Speaker 19: very different to Australia now. But my family came here
35:37
Speaker 19: and they wanted to be Australians. So like Jemma, yes,
35:41
Speaker 19: we have our cultural traditions and we still make our
35:45
Speaker 19: sausages every year in our olive oil and our tomato sauce,
35:49
Speaker 19: and we have these just loud, dysfunctional Christmases that go
35:53
Speaker 19: on for hours.
35:54
Speaker 18: And we still do all of those things.
35:57
Speaker 19: But in a sense, while we maybe of a different race, right,
36:03
Speaker 19: actually we're culturally very similar and we have the same
36:06
Speaker 19: sort of values. And I think about my grandfathers who
36:09
Speaker 19: came here. They and they left their kids behind, their
36:13
Speaker 19: wives and young children behind because they wanted to get
36:15
Speaker 19: themselves set up. And then the families, you know, came out,
36:18
Speaker 19: but they wanted to be part of their community.
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Speaker 18: And I grew up in a small country.
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Speaker 19: Town and my dad played footy with all the Australian boys,
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Speaker 19: and you know, so we very much wanted to be
36:32
Speaker 19: part of the community. And that is something that is
36:34
Speaker 19: really really important when you talk about things like acceptance,
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Speaker 19: and Andrew, there's a word that I really hate, and
36:42
Speaker 19: we use it all the time, and I hate the
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Speaker 19: word tolerance because to me, tolerance means that you're forced
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Speaker 19: to accept something.
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Speaker 18: That is not to your standard.
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Speaker 1: Right.
36:53
Speaker 19: You're forced to accept, you know, values that are not
36:57
Speaker 19: as cherished as the ones that we cherish here in Australia.
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Speaker 19: And I think we have to be really really careful
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Speaker 19: about how much we tolerate because we do have a
37:07
Speaker 19: great way of life here.
37:08
Speaker 18: That's why people come here.
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Speaker 19: People don't move to Australia to watch people get shot
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Speaker 19: on the beach.
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Speaker 1: Well you say the tolerance is now being forced by
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Speaker 1: more and more laws, which is a bit intolerant, and
37:22
Speaker 1: we didn't need them if there wasn't a clash. This
37:25
Speaker 1: is the issue here, Jim, just based on what both
37:28
Speaker 1: of you have said. I mean, I think that raises
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Speaker 1: something that I find is missing from this talk of
37:34
Speaker 1: cracking down and hate preachers. Yes by all means, and
37:37
Speaker 1: that is building a love and respect for this country.
37:41
Speaker 1: You know, we have a Prime Minister now preaching unity
37:43
Speaker 1: in front of three flags, which I find a challenge.
37:46
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a symbol of disunity there. I think
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Speaker 1: we need to make Australia seem so good, including so
37:53
Speaker 1: morally good, so culturally good that anyone, anyone would be
37:58
Speaker 1: proud to give Australia and Australian values their prime loyalty.
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Speaker 17: Oh, there's no question that that is a missing piece
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Speaker 17: in this puzzle. Over many, many years, Andrew, the value
38:13
Speaker 17: of Australian citizenship has been diminished and in so many
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Speaker 17: ways that we don't have time to unpack that right now.
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Speaker 17: But even the way that some people speak about this country,
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Speaker 17: in the way that they denigrate this country, and the
38:25
Speaker 17: way that yeah our current government, it's almost like a
38:28
Speaker 17: self loathing that needs to be psychologically unpacked by someone credentialed.
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Speaker 18: There are many ways that we could.
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Speaker 17: Bring that back into emerging generations.
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Speaker 18: There's many layers to it.
38:43
Speaker 17: From my perspective, it's things like don't shoot me. But
38:46
Speaker 17: national service, a degree of national service. That's not just
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Speaker 17: about military service. I'm talking about national service, which could
38:53
Speaker 17: be in the community, it could be in the regions,
38:56
Speaker 17: it could be take many shapes and forms, but an
38:59
Speaker 17: idea that there there is something going on here that
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Speaker 17: collectively is more than more important and more valuable than
39:04
Speaker 17: us as individuals. It's the way that some of our governments,
39:08
Speaker 17: the people in our government speak about this country and
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Speaker 17: diminish this country. It's the poor fiscal management as if
39:13
Speaker 17: it doesn't matter. It's things like you know, sovereign risk.
39:18
Speaker 17: It's things like you know, allowing Australia to be vulnerable
39:22
Speaker 17: because we don't have security of energy supply, we don't
39:25
Speaker 17: have security of many things. All of these things speak
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Speaker 17: to like almost an indifference and almost taking for granted
39:34
Speaker 17: that you know, we've got a pretty good here and
39:35
Speaker 17: it's all going to be it's all going to be okay.
39:37
Speaker 18: And one of the things that.
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Speaker 8: This vile.
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Speaker 1: You've got it the taking for granted without even understanding
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Speaker 1: or teaching what it took to build this community, taking
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Speaker 1: it just for granted. Caroline, what do you make of that?
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Speaker 19: Well, look again, probably won't shock you the that Gemini
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Speaker 19: are on a unity ticket with that one, but I
40:04
Speaker 19: think that, you know, when we when we look at
40:08
Speaker 19: what has happened on the weekend, I think it was
40:10
Speaker 19: a shock for quite a lot of people to actually
40:14
Speaker 19: see that maybe, like Jemma said, what we what we've
40:17
Speaker 19: had and maybe what we haven't always really considered as
40:21
Speaker 19: anything other than just normal. Maybe it is something that
40:25
Speaker 19: we need to protect and we need to work on
40:28
Speaker 19: and that there is something not just you know, for
40:30
Speaker 19: people who who migrate.
40:32
Speaker 18: To Australia, but also those of us who are born here.
40:35
Speaker 19: Maybe we need to take stock a little more often
40:38
Speaker 19: about about how lucky we are in this country and
40:41
Speaker 19: that there is at all levels.
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Speaker 18: It's all levels.
40:44
Speaker 19: Of government, but everywhere in our community. Because Andrew, you know,
40:48
Speaker 19: we know, and we see. You know, terrible things happen
40:51
Speaker 19: overseas all of the time, where you've seen countries that
40:54
Speaker 19: are functional become countries that are dysfunctional. We don't want
40:57
Speaker 19: to become a dysfunctional country. But something we do need
41:00
Speaker 19: to do here is we need to steal ourselves occasionally
41:03
Speaker 19: to have hard conversations and conversations we don't want to have.
41:07
Speaker 19: And Australians you know that She'll be right. Mentality, I
41:12
Speaker 19: think sometimes can be a disadvantage because you kick the
41:16
Speaker 19: can down the road of things that you actually really
41:18
Speaker 19: need to deal with.
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Speaker 1: You're both absolutely correct. I think, look, thank you ladies
41:26
Speaker 1: for coming on the show this year. I've really enjoyed
41:28
Speaker 1: your company. I hope you'll be back next Toye evident.
41:31
Speaker 1: Until then, you're stuck with us Fever excellent oh, a pleasure,
41:41
Speaker 1: A pleasure, thank you. After the breakour government still doesn't
41:44
Speaker 1: know which specific anti Semitic chance it should ban, but
41:48
Speaker 1: in Britain police are arresting people already. The Prime Minister
41:58
Speaker 1: today promised tough and laws against the kind of hate
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Speaker 1: preaching that's fed this insane due hatred, but its Home
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Speaker 1: Affairs Minister Tony Burke wasn't sure exactly what kind of
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Speaker 1: hate speech they.
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Speaker 18: Meant these hate speech changes.
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Speaker 17: Will they capture slogans like from the river to the
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Speaker 17: sea and globalizing.
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Speaker 10: Intafada see hate speech laws obviously or said a test.
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Speaker 1: No wonder, it's reluctant to specify. Is it going to
42:24
Speaker 1: out law the hate speech of I don't know Muslim
42:26
Speaker 1: Green Senator Mary in Ferruki, who's voting needs or of
42:29
Speaker 1: Muslim Fatima payment elected as a labor senator, but our
42:33
Speaker 1: sitting as an independent.
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Speaker 5: From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
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Speaker 18: From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
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Speaker 1: Ho see, we elected those guys. But here's the contrast
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Speaker 1: Albanizy and Tony Burke. They don't want to say translate
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Speaker 1: river to the sea or globalize the Intafada should be banned,
42:56
Speaker 1: but in Britain, the Metropolitan Police they're now arresting people
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Speaker 1: chanting globalize the inter Fada. Join me from London, as
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Speaker 1: GMEN News presented Patrick Christie's Patrick, great to see you again.
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Speaker 1: This is the last summer and you I said it
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Speaker 1: last week and it's the last time. But with the
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Speaker 1: Bondai thing, I thought I had to do this. Why
43:15
Speaker 1: are your police now treating calls to globalize the inter
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Speaker 1: Fada as a crime.
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Speaker 20: Well, we're finally woke it up to the reality of
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Speaker 20: the sorry state of affairs in Britain. You know, we've
43:27
Speaker 20: had open calls for g had on the streets by
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Speaker 20: a now banned terrorist organization that our Prime Minister actually
43:34
Speaker 20: represented himself back in the days that he was a
43:36
Speaker 20: lawyer globalized the into FARDA. I mean that rings out
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Speaker 20: around London every single weekend. In fact, the head of
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Speaker 20: the National Education Union has been recorded shouting it. We
43:46
Speaker 20: currently have thirty people arrested every single day for social
43:49
Speaker 20: media posts. But up until now you could have basically
43:52
Speaker 20: called for the massacre of Jews on the street and
43:54
Speaker 20: you'd have probably got away with it. So this is
43:57
Speaker 20: very much a step in the right direction.
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Speaker 1: Yeap.
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Speaker 20: Yesterday two people were arrested for shouting it, so police
44:03
Speaker 20: are acting on it. It's going to be very difficult
44:05
Speaker 20: to enforce.
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Speaker 1: Obviously.
44:06
Speaker 20: You could see that there's some kind of I Am
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Speaker 20: Spartacus moment where everyone starts shouting it, and what do
44:10
Speaker 20: you do do You just throw a net over a
44:12
Speaker 20: crowd of people. But the problem is so deep rooted
44:15
Speaker 20: now you know that this is just window addressing.
44:17
Speaker 18: Really.
44:18
Speaker 20: You know, we actually have a new Islamophobia definition coming
44:21
Speaker 20: in which would basically make it a criminal offense to
44:23
Speaker 20: criticize Islam at all.
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Speaker 8: You know.
44:25
Speaker 20: But obviously, you know, when it comes to the Jewish community,
44:28
Speaker 20: you know, they just have to have security everywhere around
44:31
Speaker 20: them all the time. You think about all the additional
44:33
Speaker 20: security features we have to live with andrena armed police
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Speaker 20: at Christmas markets, ballards everywhere, all to prevent radical Islamism, which.
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Speaker 1: Is largely important phenomena. You know. The thing is, I
44:51
Speaker 1: worry about these laws against free speech because one thing
44:54
Speaker 1: is they tend to get used against the liss hamless
44:58
Speaker 1: liss handful. You know, they get used, as you say,
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Speaker 1: to critics against the is of Islam, rather which I
45:06
Speaker 1: think deserves some critique, to say the least, rather than
45:11
Speaker 1: the hate preachers themselves, so they become politically difficult to touch.
45:15
Speaker 1: And what about simply the free speech argument.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, obviously it's not a particularly comfortable situation. However, you know,
45:25
Speaker 20: if this is leading to actual real world violence, so
45:29
Speaker 20: calls to globalize the Intavada actually makes people want to
45:33
Speaker 20: go and act on that, then I think it should
45:36
Speaker 20: be banned. And you know, I'm sure, I'm sure you
45:39
Speaker 20: feel the same, Andrew. But you know, we always seem
45:44
Speaker 20: to have to wait for something awful to happen before
45:47
Speaker 20: we take some kind of action. You know, people have
45:49
Speaker 20: been chanting this every single week on the streets for
45:53
Speaker 20: like the best part of two or three years, and now,
45:56
Speaker 20: you know, loads of people in Australia very sadly die
45:59
Speaker 20: and we use that to go, Okay, well, what we'll
46:01
Speaker 20: do now is what we'll ban this. We'll ban this phrase.
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Speaker 20: Could we not have taken some more preventative action here?
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Speaker 1: Really?
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Speaker 20: But no, I don't like I don't like the stifling
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Speaker 20: a free speech obviously, but I think it's important. I
46:13
Speaker 20: think that we know that there are certain things that
46:15
Speaker 20: you just cannot chance in this country at the moment.
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Speaker 1: I think we're getting to realize that culture really matters,
46:24
Speaker 1: cultural compatibility, because if you don't have that, if you
46:27
Speaker 1: don't have a sort of dominant culture, you need laws
46:30
Speaker 1: to enforce a common standard of behavior to suck the clashes.
46:33
Speaker 1: And that's where we're at now. You lose your homogeneity.
46:37
Speaker 1: Japan knows this. Japan hasn't gone down this route, but
46:40
Speaker 1: we have and we've suffered for it. Patrick, the impact
46:44
Speaker 1: of the Bondo massacre, and Britain police were citing the
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Speaker 1: Bondo massacre in part for this new hardline against chance
46:51
Speaker 1: of globalizing to Fada. How's it going? How generally do
46:55
Speaker 1: you think what's happened here will affect Britain?
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Speaker 20: Yeah, well, firstly, I'm sorry I should have said this earlier. Actually,
47:03
Speaker 20: obviously my heart goes out to everyone involved and the
47:06
Speaker 20: entire nation of Australia. What a devastating attack that was.
47:10
Speaker 20: But the ripples of that facing are being faced right here.
47:14
Speaker 20: You know, there's synagogue just down the road for I
47:16
Speaker 20: can basically see it if I look just out my window.
47:18
Speaker 20: There constantly got security all around it. You know, we
47:22
Speaker 20: are we now have you know, Jewish communities living in
47:25
Speaker 20: fear We've also had a couple of near misses, so
47:30
Speaker 20: our security services foiling what would have been marauding widespread
47:35
Speaker 20: Islamist terrorist attacks targeting Jews. They foiled that plot at
47:40
Speaker 20: the last minute not so long ago. And we've also,
47:42
Speaker 20: of course had ones that have slipped through the net,
47:44
Speaker 20: haven't we with mister g had who killed a couple
47:48
Speaker 20: of people at a synagogue. So you know what's happened
47:51
Speaker 20: in Australia.
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Speaker 17: You know.
47:52
Speaker 20: The the devastating and sad thing is that we're almost
47:56
Speaker 20: just waiting for something like that to happen here as well.
48:00
Speaker 20: And you know that's unfortunately where we are, you know,
48:02
Speaker 20: and there is a common denominator here, isn't there, Andrew
48:05
Speaker 20: really and that is radicalismism.
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Speaker 1: It is, and it's something that the media here has
48:13
Speaker 1: been so not all, but a large section of it
48:17
Speaker 1: has been very reluctant to acknowledge over the years. It's well,
48:21
Speaker 1: I think we're waking up now, but who knows, you
48:24
Speaker 1: know how it is? Patrick Patrick, I thank you last
48:26
Speaker 1: week for your contribution to the show. I love it.
48:29
Speaker 1: I hope to see you next year. You have a
48:30
Speaker 1: great Christmas. Thank you so much for your time and
48:34
Speaker 1: that is the last show. That is the last show
48:37
Speaker 1: for me for the year. I need to thank my producer,
48:41
Speaker 1: Daniel Roberts has to get up at Cracker dawn and
48:45
Speaker 1: do shepherding and it does a fabulous job. And also
48:48
Speaker 1: Philip and Thomas helping him. Thank you very much. Guys,
48:52
Speaker 1: Tim and Vass who are in my ear all the
48:54
Speaker 1: time shepping me through. Thank you guys and everyone they're
48:58
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49:00
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49:06
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49:10
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49:14
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Speaker 1: That's it for me. Merry Christmas, Sherry Marxon up next.
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