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The Week That Was (06/08/2021) · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: And it is Friday morning. It is time for the
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Speaker 1: week that was proudly brought to you by the Silver Hebron.
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Speaker 2: Lawyers, your local lawyers now also.
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Speaker 1: Broadcasting on AH in Alice Springs and joining us in
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Speaker 1: the studio this morning. We've got the Opposition leader, Lea
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Speaker 1: Fanocchi Aarro good.
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Speaker 3: Morning, Good morning everyone.
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Speaker 1: We've got Sky News, Darwin's Matt Cunningham, good morning, good morning.
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Speaker 1: We've got Keyesier Puric, the Member for Gorder, the Independent
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Speaker 1: Member for Goider, good morning.
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Speaker 4: Good morning, Katie, good morning, the rural people.
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Speaker 1: And we've got Kate Warden, the Minister for Housing and
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Speaker 1: various other portfolios.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.
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Speaker 5: Good morning, Katie, Good morning Darwin and Alice Springley.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and I will just point out that Keys here
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Speaker 1: and Kate is sharing a microphone today, just in case
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Speaker 1: anyone's wondering at different times when someone's not yelling out all.
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Speaker 6: You know, I'll share things with anyone, even labor people, independent.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's get into it. There is so much to
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Speaker 2: cover off on this week.
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Speaker 1: I've got to say yesterday was a busy enough news day,
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Speaker 1: but we know that it's greater. Melbourne's now being declared
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Speaker 1: a hot spot by the Northern Territories Chief Health Officer
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Speaker 1: as Victorians go into their sixth lockdown since COVID nineteen began,
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Speaker 1: since the pandemic began.
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Speaker 2: So the Northern.
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Speaker 1: Territory obviously declared that hot spot as of eight pm Thursday,
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Speaker 1: the same time that that snap seven day lockdown started.
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Speaker 2: It is really tough, There's no doubt about it.
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Speaker 1: For Victorians going into their sixth lockdown. It is really
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Speaker 1: tough though as well for locations like the Northern Territory
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Speaker 1: when we talk about tourism and we talk about you know,
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Speaker 1: businesses really feeling the effects of those lockdowns into state.
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Speaker 2: We know New South Wales is struggling.
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Speaker 1: To get a hold of the COVID situation, and there's
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Speaker 1: that discussion really now has kind of turned to making
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Speaker 1: sure that the majority of the population is vaccinated so
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Speaker 1: that we're able to try to hopefully get back.
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Speaker 2: To some form of normality.
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Speaker 6: Well basically just traveling across the state borders. I know
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Speaker 6: quite a few people who've traveled up here from interstate
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Speaker 6: Victorists Eastern Seaboard and sort of on the bright side,
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Speaker 6: if there is a bright side, a lot of them are.
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Speaker 4: Electing to stay here. Yeah, they were wanting to go.
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Speaker 6: To Queensland continue their great nomad travels, but they're electing
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Speaker 6: to stay here quite comfortably. And then they're just going
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Speaker 6: to do more touring around the top end soil until
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Speaker 6: the Port New South Wales borders get sorted out. And
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Speaker 6: now Victoria, we're probably gone to the people we've got
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Speaker 6: within our boys, we'll keep here.
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Speaker 4: But you're right, Katie.
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Speaker 6: I mean, we were just doing a little poll around here,
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Speaker 6: like most of us have all been vaccinated, waiting for
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Speaker 6: my second one, and I think we've just got to
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Speaker 6: get the country vaccinated as quickly as we can, including
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Speaker 6: the territory and that way. I mean, it's not going
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Speaker 6: to be you'll never get sick again, but the medical
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Speaker 6: experts tell us.
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Speaker 7: And I think, yeah, yesterday we hit that Sharing's good,
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Speaker 7: isn't it. Yes, I get to talk and you get
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Speaker 7: to be quiet.
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Speaker 5: It's awesome. This morning.
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Speaker 7: We hit fifty percent yesterday of first vaccines for people.
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Speaker 7: So fifty percent of territories have now had that first vaccine.
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Speaker 5: That's really important.
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Speaker 7: And I know that I'm now waiting for my second
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Speaker 7: a couple of weeks away. It's a long you know,
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Speaker 7: those of us that stepped up early and said we'll
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Speaker 7: take the AstraZeneca. We're over fifty, let's do it. Are
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Speaker 7: still waiting. But you know, we're surrounded by young people
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Speaker 7: that are saying, yep, let's get it done, and they're
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Speaker 7: doing that, and then three weeks they've getten the fiser
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Speaker 7: and they're done.
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Speaker 5: So Territorians have done a great job, but we're not there.
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Speaker 7: We need to make sure that everybody continues to step
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Speaker 7: up and that we have all the vaccines available for
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Speaker 7: people to do. And I think from what I hear
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Speaker 7: about bookings, you know, it's tough to get a booking
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Speaker 7: and that means that there's other people that have booked
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Speaker 7: and taken those slots, and I think Territorians have really
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Speaker 7: risen to the occasion and we need to make sure
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Speaker 7: that everybody gets vaccinated.
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Speaker 2: What is the goal? Do you reckon?
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Speaker 1: Like what's happening nationally? Why are we in a situation though?
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Speaker 1: And I guess you know some might say here in
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Speaker 1: the territory too, but why are we in a situation?
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Speaker 2: Do you think we're you know, we're we're not.
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Speaker 1: We're not further along with this vaccination program is what
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Speaker 1: a lot of people would have hoped at this point.
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Speaker 8: I think it's because the federal government put most of
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Speaker 8: its eggs in the astrosenica basket, and I think that
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Speaker 8: was probably fair enough. I mean, the astrosenic vaccine made sense.
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Speaker 8: It certainly made more sense in the Northern territory, given
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Speaker 8: you don't have to keep it at a very low temperature.
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Speaker 8: They knew that they could and you factor it here,
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Speaker 8: so they backed in astrosenica. And then the problem was
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Speaker 8: the hysteria around the issues with the blood clots. And
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Speaker 8: you know, you and I and everyone else in the
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Speaker 8: media probably shares a bit of the blame around this.
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Speaker 9: Katie.
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Speaker 8: You know that the cases of blood clotting with astrosenica
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Speaker 8: is extraordinarily low.
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Speaker 9: It's you know, it's so low it's not funny.
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Speaker 8: You'd be more likely to walk out the front door
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Speaker 8: here and get hit by a car than you would
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Speaker 8: have to die of a blood clot from astrosenica. But
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Speaker 8: as a consequence of that, you know, there was all
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Speaker 8: of this vaccine hesitancy, and I don't think the way
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Speaker 8: the government handled it was great either. First it was like, yeah,
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Speaker 8: I have it. Then it was like don't have it.
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Speaker 8: If you're in this age group, then don't have it
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Speaker 8: in if you're in age.
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Speaker 5: Some of the messaging was a bit mixed at that time, clear.
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Speaker 8: Now, and then then the extraordinary case where the Queensland
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Speaker 8: Chief Health Officer came out.
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Speaker 2: And said, I don't want to get you.
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Speaker 8: Know, astrosenic because they might get a blood clot. So
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Speaker 8: I think that just you know, the messaging was all
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Speaker 8: over the shop and now we're paying the consequence for that.
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Speaker 10: I think initially that everyone thought people would fly to it,
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Speaker 10: and I think that's why they went with the tear categories.
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Speaker 10: You know, remember it was emergency services and then our
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Speaker 10: most vulnerable and elderly et cetera, et cetera. But the
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Speaker 10: reality was we had that met with hesitancy because a
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Speaker 10: lot of people were thinking, oh, this is stuff is
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Speaker 10: brand new.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to go first, you know.
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Speaker 10: I think that's you know, some people felt like that,
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Speaker 10: and so then we had this lag because of course
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Speaker 10: people who did want to get it couldn't get it
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Speaker 10: even if they wanted to, and it just it was
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Speaker 10: disjointed in that sense. One things they've lifted like they
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Speaker 10: have now and you know everyone can go and get
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Speaker 10: a vaccine if they want.
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Speaker 3: That's really obviously pushed it along.
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Speaker 10: But one thing that we think is really important is
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Speaker 10: just to make sure that people know where they can
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Speaker 10: get the vaccine, and the you know, the territory governments
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Speaker 10: obviously put together you know the coronavirus website, which is
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Speaker 10: really important. It's the one stop what's meant to the
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Speaker 10: one stop shop for all the information. But of course
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Speaker 10: just when it comes to booking the vaccine, it's still
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Speaker 10: indicating to people that there's no bookings that can be
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Speaker 10: made because it doesn't take into consideration the GP clinics
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Speaker 10: and those other clinics like the Parmesan Superclinic, and so
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Speaker 10: I think for a lot of people what's happening is
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Speaker 10: they're stopping at that point and going, oh, I can't
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Speaker 10: get one. I'll wait when really, if they knew to
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Speaker 10: then make other inquiries, they possibly would be able to
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Speaker 10: get one. So I think that's something where more work
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Speaker 10: can be done, because ultimately, if people are keen, we
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Speaker 10: want to make sure we get them.
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Speaker 8: But it's absolutely the case when I first went to
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Speaker 8: book in my vaccine, I went to book it at
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Speaker 8: the Danilla Delbert Clinic here in the c and it
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Speaker 8: told me I couldn't get in for like three months
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Speaker 8: or something. It was only that I was standing next
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Speaker 8: to the health minister who said, oh, if you book
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Speaker 8: it at the clinic out it the hospital, you'll be
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Speaker 8: able to gettraightway. That option is not given to you
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Speaker 8: when you go to book it.
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Speaker 6: No, and I had mine that my doctor surgic coving
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Speaker 6: a medical center. And this, I think this is about
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Speaker 6: a dozen of them in the top end that I
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Speaker 6: think I know of, and probably down the territory. And
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Speaker 6: that message has to get out to people as well.
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Speaker 6: You can just make the inquiry with your own doctor's
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Speaker 6: place and then if they can do it, they can.
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Speaker 6: If they can't, they'll tell you where the next doctor
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Speaker 6: can do it. But I think also what's happening. I
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Speaker 6: think what's and down south, particularly say in the Melbourne
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Speaker 6: and the Sydney areas, is there's been language issues and
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Speaker 6: I don't know how well the governments down there have
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Speaker 6: had translation from English into whatever the languages, because there's
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Speaker 6: big cohorts as we know of communities down there, which
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Speaker 6: ever from Europe or the Asians or whatever. And I
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Speaker 6: think that's something that's very critical because some of the
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Speaker 6: different countries and nationalities we have here in the territory,
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Speaker 6: Australia can be very suspicious about certain things that you know,
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Speaker 6: we do that they don't do passle in their country.
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Speaker 6: So I think it's I don't think we've got an
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Speaker 6: issue up here in the territory, but I reckon down
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Speaker 6: in those big cities, there hasn't been good enough translation
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Speaker 6: services or people going to those communities or going to
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Speaker 6: the leaders in those communities well and saying this is okay,
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Speaker 6: because I know there are We saw.
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Speaker 4: What happened up here.
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Speaker 6: I't mentioned with community, but that you know, one of
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Speaker 6: the religious leaders were saying don't get vaccinated. We saw
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Speaker 6: those rap bags in other springs trying to put mischief
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Speaker 6: for misinformation in the abliginal community. So we've got to
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Speaker 6: get on top of that to make sure all those
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Speaker 6: communities don't have English as the first language.
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Speaker 5: I can understand them definitely with certainty.
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Speaker 7: O muticultural leaders right across the territory have really stepped
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Speaker 7: up in that split space and you'll see them, you know,
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Speaker 7: in advertising. They've been prolific right the way across social
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Speaker 7: media to tell their communities and where we have had
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Speaker 7: those blockages, we've addressed them where they've become clear. I
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Speaker 7: think one of the big differences to Katie that I've
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Speaker 7: come across it and I'm just dumbfounded having gone through
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Speaker 7: a lockdown here. You know, Territorians we can be a
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Speaker 7: bit a little bit yes, cavalier, and we like that
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Speaker 7: about ourselves and you know it'll be all right. But
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Speaker 7: when we came to a lockdown, I don't think I've
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Speaker 7: been more proud of Territorians because we took it seriously.
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Speaker 7: I've been on the phone to people into state for
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Speaker 7: their lockdowns. I cannot get over the lack of well
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Speaker 7: checking the man of cars that are on roads. You know,
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Speaker 7: one of my family members is going to work in lockdown,
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Speaker 7: telling me to working without masks and all this other stuff,
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Speaker 7: and you think.
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Speaker 5: Take it seriously.
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Speaker 7: And I think Territorians have really proved that when these
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Speaker 7: things have open, we all stepped up and incredibed the
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Speaker 7: routes and found ways to work at home.
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Speaker 5: I know I did. I worked long hours at home.
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Speaker 7: That felt there was more to do while I was
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Speaker 7: finding things that yeah, the things that I could get
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Speaker 7: to that you know, that was a bit of a
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Speaker 7: breathing and we could do and and the community found
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Speaker 7: ways to connect and to.
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Speaker 9: Be fair to those Southerners.
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Speaker 1: A few days of lockdown, but you do it if
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Speaker 1: you do go into day two hundred. But I guess
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Speaker 1: the thing is, we've got to get it right the
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Speaker 1: whole nation because at the moment, the way that we're going,
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Speaker 1: you know, with these other states in and out of
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Speaker 1: lockdown and then closing off the territory to all the
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Speaker 1: other states, it's making it tough for so many of ours.
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Speaker 8: And that's why we need we need an actual plan
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Speaker 8: and a timeline because we can't like this time next year,
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Speaker 8: we can't be in a situation where we're still going
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Speaker 8: into lockdown.
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Speaker 9: If we get exactly That's why we have to say.
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Speaker 8: All right, well the target number is and once we
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Speaker 8: hit it, that's it open and we need to get.
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Speaker 7: Them out because to tell you to get them out
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Speaker 7: and we wait to vaccinated.
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Speaker 1: We will move along slightly but still in the health
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Speaker 1: vein because we do know that throughout the week Royal
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Speaker 1: Day and Hospital well it went into code yellow OMENI
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Speaker 1: that Category two and three elective surgery had been temporarily
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Speaker 1: postponed so that patients with more urgent care needs could
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Speaker 1: be admitted into the hospital. We also learned that Royal
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Speaker 1: Day and Hospital has been at or near escalation Plan
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Speaker 1: four for ten days. It is despite what they called,
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Speaker 1: or they said were concentrated efforts from all staff to
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Speaker 1: improve patient flow through admission and discharge initiatives.
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Speaker 2: Now we found out.
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Speaker 1: About this on I think it was the day before yesterday,
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Speaker 1: after receiving a call from Bruce, one of our listeners,
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Speaker 1: who had called through and said, Katie, I'm due to
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Speaker 1: have surgery on Friday, due to have my knee replaced,
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Speaker 1: and I've just been called by the hospital and told
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Speaker 1: that surgeries have been canceled because the hospital is full.
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Speaker 1: And I thought, oh, hang on a sec, we don't
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Speaker 1: know anything about that, and we got in contact with
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Speaker 1: the Minister's office and the Health Department lo and behold.
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Speaker 2: An hour and a half later there was a statement released.
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Speaker 3: You know, a familiar story.
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Speaker 8: I wasn't listening the other day and I thought they'd
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Speaker 8: actually done the right thing.
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Speaker 1: Well, well, look, you know, at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: I just think it's incredibly important that Territorians do know
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Speaker 1: what's going on, so that if they are due to
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Speaker 1: have surgery or if they are on their way to
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Speaker 1: the hospital. You know, I know that sometimes people do
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Speaker 1: go to the hospital with things that are not necessarily
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Speaker 1: you know, where you don't necessarily need to present to
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Speaker 1: an urgency. You know, I go to your GP, and
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Speaker 1: I do think that that it is that communication. We've
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Speaker 1: got to make sure that these types of things are
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Speaker 1: communicated with territorians. But the big worry now is, you know,
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Speaker 1: we already know that elective surgery wait times are incredibly long.
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Speaker 1: So then when you look at those types of things
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Speaker 1: having to be postponed and we all understand it, but
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Speaker 1: just how long people are having to wait to have surgery.
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Speaker 3: People are in chronic as well.
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Speaker 10: You know, I talk to a lot of people in
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Speaker 10: my electorate who are on the weight list and whether
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Speaker 10: it's knee or you know, hips, back, all sorts of
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Speaker 10: different things can fall into that category and it's an
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Speaker 10: excruciating period for them. And so the uncertainty around this,
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Speaker 10: no doubt comes as a devastating blow. I mean, it's
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Speaker 10: already pretty tough to have to face going into surgery,
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Speaker 10: then to have the weight list on top of that,
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Speaker 10: and to be in chronic pain in the interim, and
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Speaker 10: then not know when the next time you're going to
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Speaker 10: get in, because obviously that will create its own backlogs,
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Speaker 10: so you're going to have a weight list on a
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Speaker 10: weight list effectively is really tough. And you know, again
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Speaker 10: in estimates, we were asking about the last Code yellow
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Speaker 10: in February. You know, this isn't an isolated incident, and
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Speaker 10: we said, why do we have to find out about
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Speaker 10: this in the media like we've done this time?
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Speaker 3: Katie, you should be.
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Speaker 10: Coming forward and telling territories that that's the situation and
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Speaker 10: then that messaging around getting to your GP can happen.
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Speaker 10: But the bigger question is why do we keep having
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Speaker 10: code yellow and what is the government doing to stop that?
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Speaker 4: Well, that's to pick up on what lives said.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, obviously people go to hospital because
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Speaker 6: they're sick, done well and need treatment, but why who's presenting.
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Speaker 6: Is it because we've got a lot of travelers, you know,
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Speaker 6: people who were stuck here because they can't go home,
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Speaker 6: or is it we're just having more accidents or we're
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Speaker 6: having more hard to know.
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Speaker 4: Why is the hospital full in the first place?
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Speaker 8: The answer is part of that question, and I think
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Speaker 8: one of the contributors to the most recent code yellow
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Speaker 8: is that we just had the two long weekends show
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Speaker 8: weekends and cut weekend, and that brought a lot of people.
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Speaker 9: As we know, the show in particular brings a lot
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Speaker 9: of people into town. That brings a lot of people
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Speaker 9: into town.
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Speaker 8: And you know, when you get more people into town,
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Speaker 8: you need more people who need to access the.
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Speaker 2: Hospital well, which is very true.
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Speaker 1: The other thing, the other point that it had been
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Speaker 1: made to us, is that very often we end up
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Speaker 1: in a situation with there aged care patients who don't
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Speaker 1: have a spot, don't have somewhere else to go. And
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Speaker 1: I know that that's something that's been an issue for
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Speaker 1: quite some time. It's not going to be resolved overnight,
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Speaker 1: but I do think it is incredibly so and it's
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Speaker 1: incredibly important that we do make sure you know that
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Speaker 1: there are enough beds for our elderly in facilities that
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Speaker 1: are actually caked.
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Speaker 5: Hated for it.
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Speaker 7: I was actually going to say that exact thing, Katie,
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Speaker 7: that I believe there's about sixty people in our hospital
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Speaker 7: in beds getting aged care recognition and being funded by
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Speaker 7: the Commonwealth, and you know this is not a space.
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Speaker 7: I know that Natasha has a very very good as
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Speaker 7: a health Minister a good relationship with the federal Minister
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Speaker 7: for Health, and I know that these are you know,
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Speaker 7: things that are discussed and we need to find a
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Speaker 7: way forward on that. I think, you know those sixty
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Speaker 7: that they are a commonwealth responsibility, but nobody wants to
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Speaker 7: as you say, they are territorians first, and we need
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Speaker 7: to make sure that they're a place, they're in a
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Speaker 7: place that they can get that you know, that support,
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Speaker 7: that nursing and that extra care.
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Speaker 5: So that's a very very big part of this.
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Speaker 7: And I know that Natasha's working incredibly hard to try
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Speaker 7: and resolve that issue, and that's.
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Speaker 5: That's a good thing.
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Speaker 7: And the code yellow and I think if that's a
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Speaker 7: message that we can get out is that if you
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Speaker 7: do need to go and you've got zi terms of
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Speaker 7: you know, and you're unwell, go to your GP first.
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Speaker 7: And I think that sometimes, I know it's very frustrating.
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Speaker 7: I don't know about everybody in the room, but when
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Speaker 7: I call my GP often I can't get in for
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Speaker 7: a few days.
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Speaker 5: Some of it's online. It's like trying to cook crue
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Speaker 5: and find the doctor I want to go to.
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Speaker 7: And I do know that you know, people with a
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Speaker 7: young child perhaps are first time parents.
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Speaker 5: I'll often go to.
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Speaker 4: The hospital first, so because there's.
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Speaker 7: An element of you know, first time parents, but not
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Speaker 7: saying that they shouldn't go if there's an emergency, of course,
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Speaker 7: we want you to go to a hospital, but please
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Speaker 7: consider if you've got a cold, or you've got all
15:35
Speaker 7: those other you know, sort of minor aches and pains,
15:38
Speaker 7: go to your GP first. That's the right way through
15:41
Speaker 7: and see if they can help you. That's the right
15:43
Speaker 7: way through.
15:43
Speaker 6: The other part of this package is the and I
15:46
Speaker 6: don't know numbers, but there's not as many what do
15:48
Speaker 6: you call it bulk billing surgery.
15:50
Speaker 4: True, So that's part of the package as well.
15:52
Speaker 6: It's fine for us to hear with reasonable income, you know,
15:55
Speaker 6: to go and pay for the doctor and pay whatever.
15:57
Speaker 6: But there's a big chunk of the community out there
15:59
Speaker 6: that needs buld believe doctors, and we just don't have
16:01
Speaker 6: a lot of them in the territory.
16:02
Speaker 2: We're going to take a very short break.
16:04
Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was now proudly
16:06
Speaker 1: brought to you on Adha from Midday and Alice Springs.
16:10
Speaker 2: It is Friday morning.
16:11
Speaker 1: It is the week that was and also broadcasting on
16:14
Speaker 1: eight aj and Alice Springs. Now we've learned in the
16:17
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours we spoke to alderman Gary Haslert.
16:21
Speaker 2: He is also obviously a candidate for mayor.
16:24
Speaker 1: He posted on Facebook yesterday our streets and all safe.
16:28
Speaker 1: I'm posting from my hospital bed on Wednesday at five
16:32
Speaker 1: point thirty nine pm in the car park under Woolworts,
16:35
Speaker 1: I was bashed and robbed. It's not safe to go
16:37
Speaker 1: near the bus interchange at Casarina or the shop at Woolworts.
16:41
Speaker 1: I've got multiple fractures to my cheek bone and we'll
16:43
Speaker 1: need to undergo surgery. He spoke to us on the
16:48
Speaker 1: show yesterday. If you haven't seen those photos, well they
16:52
Speaker 1: are pretty disgusting, are the poor bugger? They're on the
16:55
Speaker 1: front page of the paper. We know now that there
16:58
Speaker 1: is an update from the Northern tierrat True Police. They've
17:00
Speaker 1: charged two youths in relation to the incident. Essentially, two
17:06
Speaker 1: thirteen year olds have been charged with aggravated assault, aggravated robbery,
17:10
Speaker 1: criminal damage, a number of other things. They were reminded
17:13
Speaker 1: to appear in custody and sorry reminded in custody and
17:16
Speaker 1: will appear in court today. It is like when you
17:20
Speaker 1: look at those photos there. I don't think any of
17:23
Speaker 1: us in this room or anyone in the territory would
17:25
Speaker 1: not be mortified seeing that.
17:27
Speaker 3: Oh it was absolutely horrific.
17:30
Speaker 10: And I mean I contacted yeah, you know, I contacted
17:34
Speaker 10: Gary and just sort of said, you know, thinking of you,
17:37
Speaker 10: this is horrific. But I mean, just the level of
17:40
Speaker 10: violent offending is becoming terrifying, Kate.
17:44
Speaker 3: I mean earlier in the week.
17:45
Speaker 10: Of course, we saw the video of the gentleman just
17:48
Speaker 10: randomly being attacked on the street. You know, Olderman Haslett
17:52
Speaker 10: has been brutally bashed and beaten.
17:55
Speaker 4: By allegedly thirteen.
17:56
Speaker 10: By you know, youth of I can't wait to see
18:02
Speaker 10: what comes out of court today. I mean, are these
18:04
Speaker 10: youths going to be bailed and back on our streets
18:06
Speaker 10: by this afternoon? And it just makes me so angry
18:09
Speaker 10: when we heart back to a couple of months ago
18:11
Speaker 10: having to be back in Parliament dealing with watered down
18:14
Speaker 10: youth justice changes that just continue to fail to hit
18:18
Speaker 10: the mark.
18:18
Speaker 3: And in the meantime it's territories who suffer.
18:20
Speaker 10: I mean, earlier last week or this week, Fresh Point
18:24
Speaker 10: was done again for the second time in two weeks
18:26
Speaker 10: by about ten youths who went in there. You know,
18:29
Speaker 10: when you watch the video, it's like this orchestrated activity.
18:32
Speaker 10: They were gloves on head torches, like all very sophisticated
18:36
Speaker 10: get up. And yet we continue to give the green
18:38
Speaker 10: light to these youths to continue to break the law.
18:41
Speaker 10: It is just disgusting and people have had a gutful
18:44
Speaker 10: of this.
18:44
Speaker 4: I think that've had a gutful.
18:45
Speaker 6: I can recall sitting on this show, in this room
18:48
Speaker 6: and talking about you know, innocent people going about their
18:52
Speaker 6: business or being at home, like that man who was
18:54
Speaker 6: in the wheel show.
18:55
Speaker 4: You know that was whatever it was.
18:57
Speaker 6: There's people at Palmerston that haven't broken in to their
19:00
Speaker 6: homes and being assaulted. I mean, I sincerely hope they
19:03
Speaker 6: do not get bailed. I mean it's I've been charged
19:05
Speaker 6: with aggravated assault. Aggravated assault usually comes ends up in
19:09
Speaker 6: the jail tub now and whatever else. They've been charged
19:12
Speaker 6: with deporation of liberty, which is serious enough in itself
19:14
Speaker 6: as well. So I mean I've got the same sentiments
19:18
Speaker 6: as Lea, and so have a lot of my constituents.
19:20
Speaker 4: They are fed up with it, and I've said this before.
19:22
Speaker 6: They're fed up with the violence and the assaults of
19:25
Speaker 6: the crime, and it's escalating, like I mean scary. I mean,
19:28
Speaker 6: he could have fallen over when he mister has Gary has,
19:31
Speaker 6: you know, he'd hit his head and he could have
19:33
Speaker 6: died and all that sort of shit.
19:34
Speaker 4: You know, he's pretty frightening. Yeah, he's very frightening. I
19:37
Speaker 4: feel for Gary and his wife and his family.
19:40
Speaker 1: The thing that, like, the thing that I find disturbing
19:42
Speaker 1: about it is obviously the fact that he's in you know,
19:45
Speaker 1: he's in the car park in the afternoon, you know,
19:48
Speaker 1: I'm assuming going to do his shopping or whatever. And
19:51
Speaker 1: then like that's not just a bashing, that's actually like
19:54
Speaker 1: that's a really bad flogging.
19:56
Speaker 2: And you know, you've got brutive and I don't know
20:00
Speaker 2: how many people were involved.
20:01
Speaker 1: I don't know the ins and outs of it, and
20:02
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend that I do, but I
20:05
Speaker 1: think that it's entirely unacceptable that then we wind up
20:08
Speaker 1: with two thirteen year olds who have who have.
20:11
Speaker 2: Now been charged to me.
20:12
Speaker 1: I just don't know how this how we've ended up
20:16
Speaker 1: in a situation where kids are behaving in this way, and.
20:18
Speaker 10: Were those kids on bail, were they on bail. I
20:21
Speaker 10: want to know that were they on bail at the time.
20:24
Speaker 10: They're not doing what they did. But we can just
20:27
Speaker 10: demand just like that, leaders, the territory family, the territory families.
20:33
Speaker 3: So what have you got to say for yourself on
20:34
Speaker 3: this matter?
20:35
Speaker 7: So yes, I've got plenty to say on this matter.
20:38
Speaker 7: And I number one, I know Gary very very well.
20:41
Speaker 7: We served on council together, and I've also reached out
20:45
Speaker 7: to Gary. I've known him for many many years. In fact,
20:48
Speaker 7: a couple of weeks we did an event together. He's
20:50
Speaker 7: he's a local orderman in my electorate and he nobody
20:55
Speaker 7: deserves what's happened to Gary.
20:56
Speaker 5: That's you know, there's a line in the sand for
20:58
Speaker 5: all of us here.
20:59
Speaker 7: That behavior is totally unacceptable. But we can sit here
21:02
Speaker 7: and make judgment. Or were they on bail, were they
21:05
Speaker 7: not on bail? I don't know those details because that's
21:08
Speaker 7: the system. These kids will go. Have been caught very quickly,
21:12
Speaker 7: well done to strikeforce tight trident, picked them up very
21:15
Speaker 7: very quickly, and have put them where they should be
21:19
Speaker 7: and today they'll face court. Now there are consequences for
21:22
Speaker 7: those behaviors.
21:23
Speaker 5: What I would like to say today for.
21:25
Speaker 7: Every two kids that you see, our agency is working
21:29
Speaker 7: with one hundred other families. So you don't get kids
21:32
Speaker 7: like this. You know, we are never We would be
21:35
Speaker 7: stupid to sit here and say, you know, we climb
21:40
Speaker 7: should be zero.
21:40
Speaker 5: Well, wouldn't that be a panacea.
21:42
Speaker 7: But we have social media that is showing these things,
21:46
Speaker 7: and you know, my heart.
21:47
Speaker 5: Goes out to Gary.
21:48
Speaker 7: Absolutely nobody. You know, none of us politicians sit around.
21:53
Speaker 7: We're not heartless. We don't sit here thinking, oh, good job.
21:56
Speaker 7: Absolutely not. And so these two people, these two young people,
22:00
Speaker 7: yes they're thirteen, they are hardly like it, have not
22:04
Speaker 7: been engaged with education. There are issues here around families
22:08
Speaker 7: and parenting. And so what we've done is we change
22:11
Speaker 7: the legislation not only around bail, and that these kids,
22:14
Speaker 7: if they are out on bail, they will if the
22:18
Speaker 7: court does their job today, they will be in.
22:22
Speaker 5: And this is the discretion of the.
22:23
Speaker 10: Courts unless it's a trivia, technical or exceptional circumstance.
22:27
Speaker 3: That's get this a week.
22:29
Speaker 7: So next week our agency is also going to talk
22:32
Speaker 7: to some of the judiciary I don't mind saying that
22:35
Speaker 7: outlet and talk to them about you know the things
22:38
Speaker 7: that we have done, particularly over the last three months.
22:41
Speaker 7: It's only been eight weeks I think since that legislation
22:43
Speaker 7: was passed. We are seeing young people that are repeat
22:46
Speaker 7: offenders go into detention.
22:48
Speaker 5: I can assure people of that. What's the important part
22:51
Speaker 5: is that what happens in detention.
22:53
Speaker 7: And when they come out, they're really important parts because
22:56
Speaker 7: we cannot just keep putting these kids back out into
22:59
Speaker 7: the same situation which has been.
23:00
Speaker 5: Going on in the territory for a very long time.
23:03
Speaker 7: So we've got all the Family Responsibility Agreement work going on,
23:07
Speaker 7: intensive work at the moment with twenty five families here
23:09
Speaker 7: in Darwin and that are dysfunctional. The police know who
23:13
Speaker 7: these young people are. This is not new, so we
23:16
Speaker 7: are working incredibly hard. There's people working incredibly hard to
23:19
Speaker 7: stop this happening. And I want to finish by saying,
23:22
Speaker 7: you know, Gary Haslett did not deserve this. Nobody deserves this,
23:26
Speaker 7: you know, And we are not just sitting here going, oh, well,
23:30
Speaker 7: you know, young.
23:31
Speaker 5: People deserve a second charge.
23:32
Speaker 7: You know, that's a wrong thing to say, and it's
23:35
Speaker 7: not factual.
23:37
Speaker 10: Territorians feel like your government is entirely offender focus. Victims
23:42
Speaker 10: and Territorians feel left behind and nothing's spelt that out
23:45
Speaker 10: clearer than the fact that you, as Territory Families Minister
23:48
Speaker 10: or your cabinet, asked your lawyers to settle a lawsuit
23:53
Speaker 10: for thirty five million dollars a historic lawsuit to youth
23:56
Speaker 10: offenders to pay them out.
24:00
Speaker 5: That's wrong. No, you're right, so stopping that lie. You
24:04
Speaker 5: are a lawyer, Yeah, that's Eliah. You are a lawyer,
24:07
Speaker 5: and you know exactly how action works. This has been
24:10
Speaker 5: happening for thirty five years.
24:11
Speaker 10: And if you want to look, so the decision basis
24:14
Speaker 10: made the decision.
24:16
Speaker 7: The basis of the class action was your Royal commission,
24:19
Speaker 7: the Royal commission that your government that you were part of,
24:22
Speaker 7: between Turnbull and Giles, your former boss Leah All. Very
24:26
Speaker 7: nice for you to sit here, but the basis of
24:27
Speaker 7: the class action was a royal commission.
24:29
Speaker 5: So don't sit here on your high horse and say.
24:31
Speaker 7: Oh this came from no, when you just agreed four
24:34
Speaker 7: years of very senior lawyers working off the basis of
24:37
Speaker 7: a royal commission that was called on your former government.
24:41
Speaker 5: So just take a strike.
24:44
Speaker 8: I think you both you're both stretching the truth a
24:47
Speaker 8: little bit there. The Royal Commission was called into incidents
24:52
Speaker 8: that occurred both across the COLP government but also back
24:57
Speaker 8: to two thousand and six. And there were many things
24:59
Speaker 8: that the previous Labor government did that contributed to the
25:02
Speaker 8: incidents we saw in twenty fourteen fifteen sixteen that ended
25:06
Speaker 8: up in a royal commission. But Kate is absolutely right
25:09
Speaker 8: that it was Adam Giles and Malcolm Turnbull who called
25:11
Speaker 8: that royal commission on the back of a TV show
25:14
Speaker 8: that I think also need.
25:16
Speaker 10: But can I just say that was nothing Morrison? No, No,
25:20
Speaker 10: that has nothing to do with toole.
25:23
Speaker 8: Like they settled for thirty five million bucks. But that's
25:25
Speaker 8: what lawyers do and the reason they do it is
25:27
Speaker 8: because they make a legal assessment if this goes to court,
25:30
Speaker 8: what's it going to cost you?
25:31
Speaker 2: That's here?
25:35
Speaker 3: But cannot just say.
25:38
Speaker 8: No court, if it goes to court, they go it
25:41
Speaker 8: could cost you one hundred million.
25:43
Speaker 10: Can I just say I did? That is not what
25:46
Speaker 10: I said? I said who instructed the lawyers, that's right.
25:50
Speaker 6: Who signed off on it to settle the case and
25:52
Speaker 6: who and to hide it?
25:54
Speaker 10: They wanted to suppress it. You who wanted to suppress That's.
25:59
Speaker 5: What it was said?
26:00
Speaker 2: One percent.
26:04
Speaker 9: Application.
26:05
Speaker 10: Well, I'm not making that is the fact.
26:08
Speaker 7: Let's hear from cash this manner is not actually settled.
26:12
Speaker 7: So Maurice Blackburn put out a media release has said
26:15
Speaker 7: it have been settled.
26:15
Speaker 5: It's not settled.
26:16
Speaker 7: Till November. What they were doing was making an application
26:19
Speaker 7: to go out to all of those people that were
26:22
Speaker 7: in detention over that time and let them know that
26:24
Speaker 7: this matter was afoot and they wanted to tell them
26:27
Speaker 7: that there was thirty five million dollars on the table.
26:29
Speaker 5: That's not true.
26:30
Speaker 7: We didn't want people thinking there's thirty five million dollars because.
26:33
Speaker 9: That much on the table.
26:35
Speaker 5: How much do you think, Maurice Blackburn are going to
26:36
Speaker 5: take out of it slide? We don't know either.
26:39
Speaker 7: The price is high, much government having exactly So the
26:44
Speaker 7: settlement amount from the government is thirty five million dollars.
26:47
Speaker 7: It's clear, but we would have liked that to come
26:49
Speaker 7: out later. All of the applicants now think that they
26:52
Speaker 7: got thirty five million dollars on the table.
26:53
Speaker 5: That's not true.
26:55
Speaker 7: But you goment in November when it gets the cost
27:00
Speaker 7: would have come out. But in the meantime, with all
27:03
Speaker 7: those twelve hundred people that were in detention in that period,
27:06
Speaker 7: they now think there's thirty five million on the table
27:08
Speaker 7: and there is not because from that comes Morris Blackburn's
27:11
Speaker 7: fees as well as the administration costs for the class action.
27:14
Speaker 3: All of that's really love me, but it doesn't escape.
27:17
Speaker 10: It doesn't escape the fact that the government has settled
27:20
Speaker 10: a claim for thirty five million dollars, a historic claim
27:24
Speaker 10: that will be paid to use detainees. If it's not
27:27
Speaker 10: thirty five it's twenty five, my goodness, what about the
27:29
Speaker 10: big And also that you instructed your legal team to
27:32
Speaker 10: suppress the dollar figure. Nothing you say or do can
27:36
Speaker 10: escape the fact lawyers do not make the decisions they
27:39
Speaker 10: instruct their client.
27:41
Speaker 3: You, Kate Warden, are the client.
27:43
Speaker 10: So either you instructed them to suppress it or the
27:45
Speaker 10: cabinet did. But either way, don't give me some garbage
27:48
Speaker 10: about the lawyer's a ruling the roost. It's just not
27:50
Speaker 10: how it works.
27:51
Speaker 5: That's now.
27:52
Speaker 10: Secondly, you have settled it. You have settled it for
27:56
Speaker 10: thirty five million. Did you even did you find? You
27:59
Speaker 10: just said it will be thirty five million, gave okay
28:03
Speaker 10: in November it will be thirty five million, correct.
28:06
Speaker 5: If if everybody agreed that's part of the process. This
28:10
Speaker 5: is just a pro.
28:10
Speaker 3: So could it be higher?
28:12
Speaker 4: Because you're a lawyer?
28:12
Speaker 5: Could it be h being cute with it?
28:14
Speaker 3: No, I'm not, you're being very ignorant.
28:16
Speaker 5: With everybody across the turner were getting misconser.
28:19
Speaker 3: Could it be higher? Could it be higher? Could it
28:21
Speaker 3: be higher than thirty five? Could it be higher?
28:24
Speaker 5: It's not still till no, yere?
28:26
Speaker 2: So could it be high? Let's take a little calm down.
28:29
Speaker 1: We might take a very short break after Kiss gives
28:32
Speaker 1: us her boy.
28:33
Speaker 6: He's talked about this last week or the week before
28:34
Speaker 6: when I was on this show. If that's the thirty
28:37
Speaker 6: five million that gets settled in November, that's what it is.
28:40
Speaker 6: We know the lawyers are going to take a nice
28:41
Speaker 6: slice of that. That's what lawyers do in this kind
28:44
Speaker 6: of situations. But the two questions or three questions are
28:48
Speaker 6: who's who actually signed? Who instructed the lawyers to settle
28:52
Speaker 6: here now? And then in November? Why was there a
28:55
Speaker 6: move to suppress it? But moving on from that situation,
29:00
Speaker 6: how is it going to be administered? There's a swag
29:02
Speaker 6: of money. Is there going to be a trust set up?
29:04
Speaker 6: Is there going to be boards? How are they what's
29:06
Speaker 6: going to be the methodology to hand out the money.
29:08
Speaker 7: Like, that's Morris Blackburn those questions, No, no, be the administrators.
29:13
Speaker 6: They also that's more money for Morris Blackburn if they're
29:15
Speaker 6: going to be the administrators well as as the client
29:19
Speaker 6: I think, and a territory government money, my taxes, your taxes,
29:21
Speaker 6: everyone's taxes. I want to know how much each of
29:24
Speaker 6: these individuals who were in Dondale for crimes, remember, are
29:28
Speaker 6: going to get Okay, they were treated badly, human human
29:31
Speaker 6: rights and all that sort of stuff, But what about
29:34
Speaker 6: the victims that put them there in the first place?
29:35
Speaker 6: You know, three five billion into a bunch of scumbags,
29:38
Speaker 6: you know, the lawyers, not the lawyers.
29:41
Speaker 3: People getting the payer paying back their debt.
29:44
Speaker 8: They should be paigeing stuff forgetting who've been through absolutely
29:47
Speaker 8: How had the reputations absolutely cont being continue continue to
29:54
Speaker 8: be persecuted by this government over the fact that they
29:57
Speaker 8: got thrown under the bus by the last government.
29:59
Speaker 1: I just think, well, look, we're going to have to
30:01
Speaker 1: take a very short break because there is so much to.
30:03
Speaker 2: Cover off on this morning.
30:05
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine.
30:07
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four point nine.
30:09
Speaker 1: It is just twenty minutes away from ten o'clock. It
30:12
Speaker 1: is Friday morning. It's the week that was also broadcasting
30:15
Speaker 1: on AKJ and Alice Springs. Now there's so much to
30:18
Speaker 1: cover off on, but I do want to go to
30:21
Speaker 1: the situation yesterday where we saw Ian Sloane announce with
30:25
Speaker 1: sadness that he is standing down and is set to
30:29
Speaker 1: resign at the next parliamentary sittings due to health reasons.
30:34
Speaker 1: I know that this is a really difficult time I'm
30:37
Speaker 1: sure for he and his family. And firstly I want
30:40
Speaker 1: to say that I do hope that Ian is okay,
30:42
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking of him and hope that he's all right.
30:45
Speaker 2: We've had him on the Week that was once and Jeels.
30:49
Speaker 4: He was good fun and everyone loves his beautiful accent.
30:53
Speaker 10: He is a very smooth, calm style. You know, he's
30:56
Speaker 10: very disarming.
30:58
Speaker 9: He runs a great pub Katie, which is you know.
31:03
Speaker 8: The good thing perhaps about his exit from politics is
31:06
Speaker 8: that he'll be able to make sure that the Berry
31:07
Speaker 8: Springs Tavenn. On a serious note, I think that that
31:13
Speaker 8: this whole thing shows I reckon we need to have
31:16
Speaker 8: a look at the way we do politics in the
31:18
Speaker 8: Northern Territory. Because we want people like him in politics, right,
31:21
Speaker 8: we want a small business owner to be able to
31:23
Speaker 8: go into politics.
31:24
Speaker 7: Now.
31:24
Speaker 8: I don't know the details of the situation, but I
31:27
Speaker 8: can imagine that trying to run a pub and be
31:30
Speaker 8: a politician at the same time is a very very
31:33
Speaker 8: difficult thing to do.
31:34
Speaker 4: And his wife has also works not only the public,
31:36
Speaker 4: has another job.
31:37
Speaker 8: Absolutely, not just for him, but for his family as well.
31:40
Speaker 8: I think we need to have a look at do
31:42
Speaker 8: we really need to have parliamentary sittings that go, you know,
31:45
Speaker 8: to all hours of the night.
31:47
Speaker 3: You know, definitely finished before dinner.
31:55
Speaker 9: I don't know.
31:56
Speaker 8: I actually think it could be done in business hours
31:58
Speaker 8: and done more often. You know that the counter to
32:01
Speaker 8: that is that we have people in Alice Springs and
32:03
Speaker 8: in remote areas and whatever. But with technology the way
32:06
Speaker 8: it is now, there's no reason why they can't.
32:10
Speaker 4: And during the lockdown we had.
32:13
Speaker 3: It was phone and it wasn't great, but it was great.
32:16
Speaker 4: But it's okay.
32:16
Speaker 6: But look, it's a loving man and I've got a
32:19
Speaker 6: lot of time from it and we get on really well.
32:21
Speaker 6: But it's a tough decision and there'll be the critics
32:23
Speaker 6: out there saying, oh, you know, well you shouldn't stood
32:25
Speaker 6: in the first place and pay for the biolext Well,
32:28
Speaker 6: just just I won't be read.
32:30
Speaker 4: I was just going to say something, but something about boots.
32:34
Speaker 8: And but we've all, we've all, we've all taken a
32:38
Speaker 8: job before that we realized not long after we got
32:40
Speaker 8: into it wasn't the job that we.
32:42
Speaker 10: Really can I just remind everyone that he's got a
32:45
Speaker 10: serious health.
32:46
Speaker 3: Issue and take the I mean, he has been.
32:51
Speaker 10: A wonderful member of our team, and he's a great
32:53
Speaker 10: local memory and when you see him in his community,
32:55
Speaker 10: you know, we were just at the Rosella Festival, you know,
32:58
Speaker 10: not that long ago, and the report and connection he
33:00
Speaker 10: makes with people, people just have this affinity with him.
33:04
Speaker 10: You know, he's just that type of person. And you
33:09
Speaker 10: know our we back him one hundred percent. You know,
33:12
Speaker 10: he you know you can't you dealt the cards you
33:15
Speaker 10: dealt in life. And I think what this also shows
33:17
Speaker 10: is not only a tremendous courage and integrity from in
33:20
Speaker 10: but that you know.
33:21
Speaker 3: Politicians are people too.
33:22
Speaker 10: We have all the same problems in life that other
33:25
Speaker 10: people have paid.
33:27
Speaker 6: But it raises another question or another issue, like if
33:31
Speaker 6: you I get asked and I'm sure all Kate and
33:33
Speaker 6: leg get us too. You know, what do you actually
33:35
Speaker 6: doing your job? I got our set just recently by
33:37
Speaker 6: a traveler, So what do you actually do every day?
33:39
Speaker 6: And so I explained Parlians this much of the time
33:41
Speaker 6: and the time I do these kind of things. But
33:43
Speaker 6: you know, for some people going into the job, a
33:46
Speaker 6: lot of the time they get talked into it or seduced,
33:48
Speaker 6: as I say figurably speaking. But the individual themselves really
33:52
Speaker 6: need to perhaps do a little bit more research or
33:55
Speaker 6: talk to more people like the Kates or myself or whatever,
33:59
Speaker 6: because it is not it is not an ordinary job,
34:02
Speaker 6: not by a long shot. And you have to understand
34:05
Speaker 6: the different components of the job. And some of the
34:06
Speaker 6: components are not going to be particularly nice, you know
34:09
Speaker 6: when you're especially now with the day of social media
34:11
Speaker 6: and you know, trolling and all that sort of horrible stuff.
34:14
Speaker 4: So it's not a job for everyone.
34:17
Speaker 6: Yeah, But the key component is, as Liz mentioned about
34:20
Speaker 6: Ian Sloan, is you've got to like people.
34:22
Speaker 4: You've actually got got to get on well with people,
34:23
Speaker 4: and you've got.
34:24
Speaker 6: To have an empathy with people, and plus all the
34:28
Speaker 6: other bits that go with it. Different for when you're
34:29
Speaker 6: in a party like Kit and Lea. But then myself
34:32
Speaker 6: I'm different again.
34:32
Speaker 3: You still have to like people if you're in.
34:35
Speaker 1: If you don't like people, then it's not a job here.
34:39
Speaker 6: As the previous clerk used to say, if you like people,
34:41
Speaker 6: become a politician.
34:42
Speaker 4: If you don't like people, become a clerk at the parliament.
34:49
Speaker 7: And you know, we all make our own decisions, and
34:53
Speaker 7: people often ask you know because we are busy. It's
34:56
Speaker 7: not that normal job, you know. Sometimes you're at work
34:58
Speaker 7: at six o'clock in the morning, working right the way
35:01
Speaker 7: through to ten o'clock at night time Saturday Sundays, few
35:03
Speaker 7: times not your own in this job. But I also say,
35:07
Speaker 7: your time for leaving is that you're calling, whether it's
35:09
Speaker 7: a by election, or you decide not to agree contest,
35:11
Speaker 7: or you decide to contest and you lose an election.
35:14
Speaker 5: This job comes to an end at some point.
35:16
Speaker 7: People often ask you know, and I say, while you're
35:18
Speaker 7: enjoying it, And I think I can't remember who it was,
35:20
Speaker 7: But a politician once said to me, the minute that
35:22
Speaker 7: your love for this job has gone, get out.
35:25
Speaker 5: And it's good advice.
35:26
Speaker 7: I absolutely love this job and I have no intentions
35:30
Speaker 7: of wanting to go, but you know there's an impost
35:32
Speaker 7: on your family. You know, we were talking earlier about
35:36
Speaker 7: where the family members want to come to this and
35:37
Speaker 7: that we have an opt in system at home. If
35:40
Speaker 7: he wants to come along, you know, that's great, But
35:43
Speaker 7: if he doesn't want to come along, that's way as well.
35:45
Speaker 7: I chose this job, and you know, as individuals, we choose,
35:49
Speaker 7: and you know, you do have to be a people person.
35:51
Speaker 5: You've got to really like people.
35:53
Speaker 7: And from that perspective, it would be very difficult to
35:56
Speaker 7: do this job if you didn't. But I think what's
35:58
Speaker 7: important now is you know, the seat of Daily is
36:01
Speaker 7: now anyone's going have often been very tight. It's been
36:06
Speaker 7: in I think can I and for ten years and
36:09
Speaker 7: before that it's with labor. So I think people are
36:12
Speaker 7: going to be interested to have a clear choice.
36:14
Speaker 10: And I just want to you know, if people in
36:16
Speaker 10: the Daily electorate are listening, you know Ian has put
36:20
Speaker 10: you first.
36:21
Speaker 3: You know, he's recognized he can't service you.
36:24
Speaker 7: And not.
36:28
Speaker 10: No I'm not, I'm just saying he really he's recognized
36:31
Speaker 10: he can't give one hundred and ten percent and look
36:33
Speaker 10: after his health.
36:34
Speaker 2: So we're going to take.
36:35
Speaker 1: A very short break because they're running out of time,
36:37
Speaker 1: and I still want to cover off on that extraordinary
36:39
Speaker 1: statement sent out by the KAC commissioner earlier this week.
36:42
Speaker 1: Will take a very short break. You're listening to Mix one.
36:44
Speaker 1: OW four point nine is three sixty. It is just
36:47
Speaker 1: seven minutes away from ten o'clock. And as I said,
36:50
Speaker 1: so much to cover off on this morning, and I
36:52
Speaker 1: do want to talk about the ICAQ statement that was
36:55
Speaker 1: sent out a bit earlier this week. It has been
36:59
Speaker 1: regarded as a pretty extraordinary thing for the I thing
37:02
Speaker 1: new KAC commissioner to do, and it's said, I do
37:04
Speaker 1: not generally seek public attention through the media. I'd prefer
37:07
Speaker 1: to let my work speak for itself. Nevertheless, in light
37:10
Speaker 1: of recent media commentary and speculation about my office, I
37:14
Speaker 1: feel compelled to make this statement.
37:17
Speaker 2: And he went into, you know, into.
37:20
Speaker 1: An incredibly lengthy statement about some of the some of
37:25
Speaker 1: the commentary and delegations that have been made over recent weeks. Matt,
37:29
Speaker 1: I know that this is some of this stuff is
37:31
Speaker 1: stuff that you've covered off fairly extensively. What did you
37:34
Speaker 1: make of that statement coming out?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think it was a necessary statement, Katie.
37:40
Speaker 8: It was a necessary statement to try to restore trust
37:44
Speaker 8: in the office that should hold the more trust than
37:46
Speaker 8: any office.
37:47
Speaker 9: And I think that's what the new commissioner was doing.
37:49
Speaker 8: I mean, he's clearly drawing a line in the stand
37:51
Speaker 8: and saying that you know, under him, things are going
37:55
Speaker 8: to be different, because you know, let's take a little
37:58
Speaker 8: bit of the noise that's been gone on away from
38:01
Speaker 8: this and just looked straight up at the series of
38:05
Speaker 8: events that have preceded this. And you had under the
38:08
Speaker 8: previous commissioner some real issues. You had the issue of
38:11
Speaker 8: the speech at Alice Springs. You had the issue of
38:15
Speaker 8: the report that was put out into the Darwin City
38:18
Speaker 8: Council that then had to be withdrawn the next day,
38:21
Speaker 8: and an apology issued because natural justice wasn't given and
38:25
Speaker 8: emails ended up in a junk mail folder. We've had
38:28
Speaker 8: the situation that we didn't know about until a couple
38:30
Speaker 8: of weeks ago, which was the confidential settlement that had
38:32
Speaker 8: to be reached out of court with Kesier after she took.
38:36
Speaker 9: Legal action in response to that.
38:39
Speaker 8: And there are a whole heap of issues around that
38:41
Speaker 8: about parliamentary privilege and whether things had been done properly
38:45
Speaker 8: and then we had the story that sort of kicked
38:48
Speaker 8: this latest controversy up, which was the story about the
38:51
Speaker 8: conflict of interest involving the Director of Investigations within the
38:56
Speaker 8: Office of the IK, Kate Kelly, and the lucrative contra
39:00
Speaker 8: that had been awarded to her boyfriend David McGinlay, who
39:04
Speaker 8: is a former police officer who had been as we
39:07
Speaker 8: subsequently found out, had resigned from the South Austrian Police
39:11
Speaker 8: Force while his conduct was being investigated back in two
39:15
Speaker 8: thousand and two. Now, it was sort of that story
39:18
Speaker 8: that prompted the commissioner, the former commissioner's performance in estimates
39:24
Speaker 8: that I think, Leah, you know you've seem more shocked
39:26
Speaker 8: than anyone when that was taking place, and I think
39:28
Speaker 8: you maybe even said that, But that was a pretty
39:31
Speaker 8: extraordinary circumstance when he got up in estimates and rather
39:35
Speaker 8: than address the issue itself, he went after the person
39:38
Speaker 8: who he suspected to be the person that the source
39:41
Speaker 8: of the story.
39:42
Speaker 4: Now who should have had.
39:45
Speaker 8: Who subsequently found he'd send a letter saying that she
39:49
Speaker 8: was a protected person.
39:50
Speaker 9: Yes, the fact that this has happened within the Anti.
39:53
Speaker 8: Corruption Commission is just extraordinary and in my view unacceptable.
39:58
Speaker 10: And that's why, you know, we recognize that some people
40:02
Speaker 10: had become concerned about it, and we thought, you know what,
40:05
Speaker 10: with a new commissioner coming in, it's very important timing
40:07
Speaker 10: to have a review into the Act and make sure
40:09
Speaker 10: everything's operating properly. So that's why last sittnings we tried
40:13
Speaker 10: to move a motion of the Parliament to establish a
40:16
Speaker 10: committee that could then do a full review of the
40:18
Speaker 10: ik Act, call for public submission.
40:20
Speaker 3: Stakeholders could come.
40:21
Speaker 10: And appear in front of the committee and we could
40:23
Speaker 10: really look at what was working and what wasn't. For example, Matt,
40:26
Speaker 10: you took issue with the media. I can't remember exactly
40:31
Speaker 10: remember that media provision.
40:33
Speaker 5: Whatever it was.
40:33
Speaker 3: You know, we could look at all of these.
40:34
Speaker 10: Different types of things, right and of course gouvernment.
40:39
Speaker 8: What happened was the Commissioner got up in that hry
40:44
Speaker 8: he made that point me and I'm not sure I've
40:47
Speaker 8: ever made any complain about that. That What he got
40:50
Speaker 8: up and said was that the protections that apply to
40:53
Speaker 8: journalists in front of a judicially not apply to him.
40:58
Speaker 8: So he's basically saying, I can haul you in and
41:00
Speaker 8: force you to tell me whatever I want.
41:02
Speaker 9: You to talk.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, apologies, that's right.
41:03
Speaker 10: So in the wake of all of that, we we
41:06
Speaker 10: wanted to have that dart Now government gun that down
41:09
Speaker 10: and then we learned later. Of course, that was a
41:10
Speaker 10: day before the grand Stand Ikaic report came out, so
41:13
Speaker 10: little Wonder Gumma wanted to shed light on it. But
41:15
Speaker 10: we're hugely concerned by this backdoor review that they're doing
41:18
Speaker 10: that that isn't transparent and open. You know, the eyekak
41:22
Speaker 10: is is for the people. You know, it's not a
41:24
Speaker 10: tool of a government. And so to have that clarity,
41:27
Speaker 10: that confidence, that trust in it, it needs to be
41:31
Speaker 10: that the people need to have that in it. It's
41:33
Speaker 10: not whether I think that or Michael Gunner thinks that.
41:35
Speaker 10: It's Territorians have to believe it and know it to
41:38
Speaker 10: be true.
41:38
Speaker 3: And so that's why an open process is so important.
41:41
Speaker 2: We how fast running out of.
41:44
Speaker 6: About this KaiC review that's supposedly going on, and he
41:47
Speaker 6: talked about it and said, what's going on, who's doing it?
41:50
Speaker 4: When's it going to come out to stakeholders?
41:52
Speaker 6: Like, clearly I've got an interest in a vested interest
41:54
Speaker 6: for lots of reasons. I've got a letter back from
41:57
Speaker 6: him and it said basically Greg Shanahan's doing the review
42:00
Speaker 6: technical so there's lots of lawyers doing the view and
42:02
Speaker 6: in due course there'll be exposure draft that will come
42:04
Speaker 6: out for public consultation. Well, I want to know a
42:08
Speaker 6: bit before that because I personally have a very vested
42:12
Speaker 6: interest in this and we all know why, and I
42:14
Speaker 6: know there are specific areas of that legislation that need
42:16
Speaker 6: to be changed and amended. And it's only because it's
42:20
Speaker 6: been in for two or three years that you know
42:22
Speaker 6: some of the weaknesses in the legislation and come through
42:24
Speaker 6: and have come through.
42:26
Speaker 4: So I'm with Lea.
42:27
Speaker 6: I got the letter from Cheapness, so that's fine, But
42:30
Speaker 6: why is it? Why is it just under under wraps?
42:32
Speaker 6: Why isn't you know, Greg Shanahan saying, Okay, we're going
42:35
Speaker 6: to have He's a brief discussion paper, nothing big, but
42:39
Speaker 6: let's just started to all the MLAs. Send it to
42:42
Speaker 6: the Law Society, send it to the Criminal Bar Association, whatever,
42:45
Speaker 6: you know, whom, everyone, everyone, Importantly, it should all be
42:50
Speaker 6: public because what happens, you know, this is one of
42:53
Speaker 6: the issues.
42:54
Speaker 8: It's stuff that happens behind closed doors that become the
42:56
Speaker 8: issue justice done.
42:58
Speaker 9: You know, behind closed doors.
43:00
Speaker 10: He can't have the government control the power of the
43:03
Speaker 10: I and that's what this is.
43:05
Speaker 2: We are running out of toms.
43:06
Speaker 7: And also sit on the IK Committee of Parliament. So
43:09
Speaker 7: we have met with Greg Shanahan. I'm quite happy to
43:12
Speaker 7: state that year he's told us what he was doing.
43:15
Speaker 5: He's highly qualified.
43:16
Speaker 7: He was the head of the Attorney Generals for a
43:18
Speaker 7: long time and he will do that consultations so that
43:21
Speaker 7: that works happening. I just want to go back to
43:24
Speaker 7: your point at the beginning, Kadi, if I could. It's
43:26
Speaker 7: really good to see the new commissioner stating his ground
43:29
Speaker 7: and putting that line in the sand.
43:30
Speaker 5: Are you the voice of reason again in that statement?
43:32
Speaker 3: I have to say, but he's going to have a pros.
43:36
Speaker 5: But you know, just that line in the sand for.
43:39
Speaker 4: Him coming.
43:42
Speaker 9: Years ago.
43:42
Speaker 5: But it doesn't mean he.
43:43
Speaker 9: Really likes you.
43:48
Speaker 5: I think you're.
43:52
Speaker 7: I think it's important that that that statement's now being
43:54
Speaker 7: made and that that the IK which we established as
43:56
Speaker 7: a government can move forward. And I think the new
43:58
Speaker 7: KA Commissioner is starting his you know, putting that fresh
44:01
Speaker 7: ground for himself. And I really hope you know that
44:04
Speaker 7: he not just doesnt make his mark because as he
44:06
Speaker 7: says he wants to do this stuff he does. He's
44:08
Speaker 7: not in person seeking media attention and that's really important.
44:11
Speaker 5: So I welcome I welcomed his statement.
44:14
Speaker 7: I saw it as a really resounding voice to say
44:19
Speaker 7: this is this is me. I'm the new ourcap Condissier
44:21
Speaker 7: and this is the work and this is the way
44:22
Speaker 7: I will conduct my work.
44:23
Speaker 2: Well, we have run out of time.
44:25
Speaker 1: It is just about time for the National news. Leaphan Kiro,
44:28
Speaker 1: Opposition leader, thanks so much for your time this morning.
44:31
Speaker 10: Thank you see it at the Palmerston Market tonight or
44:33
Speaker 10: the grand opening of John Johnsville Mac.
44:35
Speaker 1: Who's got to be Matt Cunningham Voice of Reasons, Thank.
44:39
Speaker 2: You for your time this morning. Keys here if you're
44:42
Speaker 2: the independent member for going to thank you.
44:44
Speaker 6: Thank you do I forget coodling the markets and a
44:46
Speaker 6: boot sale card.
44:48
Speaker 2: Boots read next Brington before.
44:55
Speaker 5: And thank you Katie.
44:56
Speaker 7: I just would like to say that that we're going
44:58
Speaker 7: to start the room and now that Matt's going to
45:00
Speaker 7: run at the next.
45:00
Speaker 5: Selection, maybe in the violex of the Daily and his
45:02
Speaker 5: tagline is the voice of Reason, but.
45:05
Speaker 7: Also early plug for run with that let's get if
45:07
Speaker 7: they had it in a couple.
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Speaker 4: Of weeks looking forward to it.
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Speaker 1: Thank you to you and Leah and everybody for their
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Speaker 1: help on that you are listening to Mix one O
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