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Full Show Podcast: 11 July 2025 · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on
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Speaker 1: an early edition with ex Pole insulation, keeping Kiwi Holmes
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Speaker 1: warm and try this winter news talk said, be.
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Speaker 2: Welcome morning to you, and welcome to the end of
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Speaker 2: the week. Coming up for the next jour our thirty
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Speaker 2: thousand New Zealanders pack up shop and to bunk to Australia.
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Speaker 2: So how bad are these numbers? We'll have asb economists
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Speaker 2: Mark Smith and ten. The second test looms between France
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Speaker 2: and the All Blacks. Jason Pine is getting up early
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Speaker 2: for us. He'll be here in fifteen minutes time. The
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Speaker 2: fortieth anniversary of the Rainbow Warriors sinking, and I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you where I was that Faithful minds and anti scam
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Speaker 2: alliances and the banning of crypto ATMs. We're talking banking
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Speaker 2: with Roger Beaumont from the Banking Association. Just before six.
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Speaker 2: There are weather warnings across New Zealand and a state
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Speaker 2: of emergency for Nelson Tasman, so we'll keep you informed
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Speaker 2: as the day goes on. We'll have correspondents from around
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Speaker 2: New Zealand and around the world. Vincent mcavenni from the
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Speaker 2: UK and you can have your say by giving us
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Speaker 2: a text ninety two ninety two is the text number
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Speaker 2: a small town supplies, or you can email me Dickens
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Speaker 2: at Newstalk ZTB dot co dot NZ. It is eight
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Speaker 2: after five.
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Speaker 1: The agenda.
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Speaker 2: It's Friday, the eleventh of July. A. UK Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: kier Stammer and French President Emmanuel Macron have unveiled a
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Speaker 2: joint deal on tackling migrants crossing the Channel on small boats.
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Speaker 3: Migrants arriving by a small boat will be detained and
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Speaker 3: returned to France in short order, in exchange for every
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Speaker 3: return a different individual. We're allowed to come here via
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Speaker 3: y safe route, controlled and legal, subject to strict security checks,
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Speaker 3: and only open to those who have not tried to
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Speaker 3: enter the UK illegally.
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Speaker 2: Now to the Middle East and ten crew members have
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Speaker 2: been rescued and at least three others killed after a
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Speaker 2: cargo ship was attacked by Yemen's booties and then sunk
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Speaker 2: in the Red Sea. The Greek operated ship was carrying
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Speaker 2: twenty five crew when it was significantly damaged by rocket
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Speaker 2: propelled grenades fired from small boats. The aram Becked futies
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Speaker 2: say they were heading to Israel.
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Speaker 3: Those crew who have been captured by the Huthies. Now
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Speaker 3: might be being used by the Huthis as a kind
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Speaker 3: of leverage tactic from their side to put pressure on
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Speaker 3: the ongoing ceasefy negotiations.
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Speaker 1: The Huthis are saying that their attacks on shipping and.
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Speaker 4: Israel did out of solidarity with the.
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Speaker 1: Palestinians in order to see an end to the war
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Speaker 1: in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Enter the Russian Ukraine War. Mak Rubio's been meeting with
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Speaker 2: his Russian counterpart, Sergey Levrov in Kuala Lumpur. There he
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Speaker 2: expressed the United States frustration.
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Speaker 5: We understand that these things take time and patience, but
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Speaker 5: obviously we're also frustrated that more progress has not been made.
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Speaker 5: And hopefully we based on today and in the days
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Speaker 5: to come, we'll have more clarity about what exactly actually
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Speaker 5: the Russian position and priorities are in this regard and
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Speaker 5: can begin to make some progress. But it's you know,
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Speaker 5: it's been difficult, and it's nine after.
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Speaker 1: Five on your radio and online on iHeartRadio Early edition
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Speaker 1: with Andrew Dickens and X Full Insulation Keeping Kiwi Holmes
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Speaker 1: warm and dry. This winter news talks at be.
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Speaker 2: So the debate on the expansion of our largest gold
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Speaker 2: mine has centered on lizards, which made for some good copy,
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Speaker 2: but not on the real subject, which is how much
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Speaker 2: gold is actually in there. As of twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 2: the McCrae's gold mine in Otago, which is New Zealand's
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Speaker 2: largest active gold mine, has produced about one point eight
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Speaker 2: million ounces of gold since it opened in nineteen ninety.
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Speaker 2: The average amount of gold gets is one point six
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Speaker 2: grams per metric ton. The mine process is more than
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Speaker 2: five million tons of or per year and it produces
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Speaker 2: about five point seven tons of gold in that year. Now,
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Speaker 2: that is an all a lot of rock that got
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Speaker 2: to dig through to find a bit of gold. And
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Speaker 2: in fact, compared to the rest of the world, this
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Speaker 2: is a pretty low yield and it's a good enough
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Speaker 2: business for mccraze. But to be honest, it's no bonanza
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Speaker 2: for New Zealand. There are jobs, yes, but it's not
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Speaker 2: a bonanza. And this is where I have a bit
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Speaker 2: of a problem. Spooking mining makes for good politics for
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Speaker 2: Shane Jones, but it's not the gold rush that he
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Speaker 2: likes to make out, and it's the same for oil
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Speaker 2: and gas. Prior to the moratorium on expiration, New Zealand
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Speaker 2: had been striking out every time drills went into the ground,
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Speaker 2: and once it stopped, opponents of the Greenies who said
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Speaker 2: it was crippling the country had a free hit and
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Speaker 2: no one ever held them to account and wondered whether
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Speaker 2: they were letting hope trump reality. There is no real
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Speaker 2: proof that we are sitting on a literal gold mine.
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Speaker 2: In fact, the story is one of a lot of
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Speaker 2: money thrown at low yields. So look, I'm not against oil,
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Speaker 2: gas and gold exploration per se. I'm not on the
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Speaker 2: lizard side. However, I'm not sure that it is the
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Speaker 2: grand economic revolution that Shane Jones believed. But hey, i'll
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Speaker 2: tell you what, it has a very rich yield in
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Speaker 2: terms of votes.
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Speaker 6: Said be.
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Speaker 2: My youngest boy left for Australia a month ago. He'd
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Speaker 2: been working in New Zealand. He'd been working at the Herald.
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Speaker 2: Actually he'd been here for two years and then he
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Speaker 2: just went on twenty six I want to go to
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Speaker 2: a bigger place, and so he's gone to Melbourne. Thirty
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Speaker 2: thousand New Zealand has left the country for Australia last year. Now,
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Speaker 2: Ben would have left anyway even if we were in
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Speaker 2: great times. But we're not in great times. So this
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Speaker 2: number thirty thousand, is it what often happens? Or is
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Speaker 2: this a standout? It's certainly the worst figures in ten years.
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Speaker 2: And what does it mean for our economy? Mark Smith
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Speaker 2: is the ASB senior economist and he's joining me. Next
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Speaker 2: news talks are B. It's twelve after five.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on early edition with ex bowl insulation keeping
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Speaker 1: Kiwi homes warm and try this winter news talks at B.
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Speaker 2: We had another poll out yesterday. Winston's happy. But it
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Speaker 2: shows both our leaders. This is Hipkins and Laxon. They
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Speaker 2: both had favorability ratings under twenty percent and both National
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Speaker 2: and Labour is stuck on thirty percent. So does this
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Speaker 2: suggest that our two major parties are a bit useless
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Speaker 2: and our two leaders are a bit useless? What do
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Speaker 2: you think? You can text me on ninety two ninety
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Speaker 2: two and I have some thoughts on this very shortly.
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Speaker 2: It is five point fifteen, so just under thirty thousand
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Speaker 2: New Zealand has left the country for Australia last year.
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Speaker 2: This marks the highest level of emigration across the Ditch
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Speaker 2: since twenty twelve, highest in a decade. Mark Smith has
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Speaker 2: got up early for us this morning, the senior economist
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Speaker 2: at ASP. Good morning to you, Mark, Good morning. Are
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Speaker 2: these bad numbers or is this the normal outflow of
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Speaker 2: Kiwi's as part of our great diaspora.
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Speaker 7: No, this figures are pretty bleak credit you think about it. Yeah,
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Speaker 7: the normal sort of average finet migration is about a
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Speaker 7: thirty thousand person inflow. We're currently running about fifteen thousand,
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Speaker 7: so about half of usual. What we've seen over the
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Speaker 7: last few years has been a shit up slow down
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Speaker 7: and the number of people coming in, and we've also
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Speaker 7: seen record numbers of people leaving. So it's really a
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Speaker 7: reflection I suppose of how weak New zealm economy is.
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Speaker 2: I was about to say, so we've got less people
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Speaker 2: coming in and more people going out, So what does
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Speaker 2: that say to you?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's very much a reflection of where we are
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Speaker 7: at the moment. I mean comparing with Australia about I
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Speaker 7: suppose the partures at the moment are at a record high,
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Speaker 7: and of that we've got about seventy thousand here we
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Speaker 7: are going offshore and probably about seventy percent of going
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Speaker 7: to Australia. So if you compare Australia, the unemprovment rate
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Speaker 7: has been lower about four percent of the last twelve months.
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Speaker 7: Ours is five percent and climbing, And that's really a
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Speaker 7: reflection of where we are at the moment.
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Speaker 2: But Australia is a bit of a basketcase as well.
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Speaker 2: Is it the Elderado? Is it the great savior of people?
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Speaker 2: If they went over there, are they going to be
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Speaker 2: any better.
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Speaker 7: Comparatively? Probably here, And that's probably the sad reality of
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Speaker 7: where we are at the moment. But yeah, sure Australia
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Speaker 7: is not the land of milk and honey for everyone,
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Speaker 7: but things are comparably stronger over there, and people are
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Speaker 7: voting with your seat, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, So how does this affect the economy? If more
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Speaker 2: people are going and that means there's people are out
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Speaker 2: there buying, it helps continue our moribund economy as it stands.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, straight, So I think people are probably sort of
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Speaker 7: sort of struggling to realize why the New Zealand economy.
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Speaker 7: Consumer spending in the housing market is not really going
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Speaker 7: anywhere the lasted or twelve months, and this is really
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Speaker 7: probably one of the key outlists is really much slower
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Speaker 7: population growth. You think how they're viewing things will be.
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Speaker 7: You know, the economy is struggling to gain traction and
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Speaker 7: with few people coming in, what it's really going to
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Speaker 7: do is really constrained demand and reserve bank. The key
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Speaker 7: thing will be implacently precious demetract will be lower. All
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Speaker 7: that's equal, and if you will see the special path
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Speaker 7: rate continue to fall from there.
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Speaker 2: And it interesting me to think about what that does
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Speaker 2: to housing because we need less roofs overheads.
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Speaker 7: I yeah, that's right. You know, the housing market is
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Speaker 7: really a key catalyst very centris migration flows and a
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Speaker 7: housing market hasn't really gone in anywhere of the last
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Speaker 7: twelve months, and a key catalyst that would be very
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Speaker 7: very low numbers of lot of numbers of people coming
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Speaker 7: in and more people leaving.
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Speaker 2: And the only answer is to fix the economy. But
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Speaker 2: this current government's had eighteen months and they're not doing
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Speaker 2: that great a job at that.
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Speaker 7: Well, it takes a long time to ten things around.
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Speaker 7: So but to the moment, people are voiding with his
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Speaker 7: feet unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: Mark Smith, thank you for that depressing news on this
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Speaker 2: Friday morning. Come back though. We'll be fine soon enough.
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Speaker 2: All right, there's a big old test coming up this weekends,
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Speaker 2: and I think the biggest interest point is will the
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Speaker 2: all backs play better? It was a good test last weekend.
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Speaker 2: It was an enjoyable, entertaining test last weekend, but there
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Speaker 2: were just a few fumbles. I was thinking about it.
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Speaker 2: How in the second second half Ricolani spills the ball.
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Speaker 2: Then the French come back, this or a try and bomb.
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Speaker 2: Suddenly it's all on again. Can we do better? Have
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Speaker 2: we got a better team? We'll talk about this in
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Speaker 2: a few moments time with our sportscaster extraordin mayor Jason Pine.
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Speaker 2: Right here on news Talks. Heb it's five eighteen.
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Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in depth
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Speaker 1: analysis earlier this year with Andrew Dickens and x full
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Speaker 1: it'd be five.
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Speaker 2: Twenty two is the time. Here is the bloke who's
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Speaker 2: broadcasting from a shed this weekend. Jason Pine, Welcome to
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Speaker 2: the show.
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Speaker 8: Hello Andrew, good morning mate.
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Speaker 2: Has it got insulation? Is it a warm shed?
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Speaker 8: It's a very warm shed. It's a very hospitable shed.
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Speaker 8: Excuse me. Shed twenty two and downtown Wellington a great
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Speaker 8: place to broadcast a radio show.
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Speaker 2: From and of course a home test for you, so
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Speaker 2: you've got your own bed to sleep, and so you
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Speaker 2: should be in great form. Now let's look at the match.
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Speaker 2: Captain Scott Barrett out for the rest of the series
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Speaker 2: due to a calf injury. So how does this side
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Speaker 2: perform without Barrett and how much will he regret not
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Speaker 2: having these games?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, look, I think they'll be okay without him. I
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Speaker 8: mean it's always been a bit of a next man
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Speaker 8: up scenario for excuse me, for the All Blacks and
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Speaker 8: look Patrick two for loss who comes into the second row.
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Speaker 8: He's a pretty good replacement, rarely fifty test matches, he's
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Speaker 8: a experienced campaigner captain of the Blues. So look, I'm
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Speaker 8: not sure they'd lose a lot there. But when you
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Speaker 8: lose your skipper, that is a you know, that's a
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Speaker 8: little hurdle to get over. I just wonder how injured
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Speaker 8: Scott Barrett might actually be. I think that there's a
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Speaker 8: concern that this isn't going to be a short term
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Speaker 8: thing for Scott Barrett. He's going to miss this game
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Speaker 8: and next weekend. But there's just a little bit of
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Speaker 8: doubt out there about whether he might actually be out
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Speaker 8: for significantly longer than that. It's just a feeling you
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Speaker 8: get from the All Blacks when they talk about him
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Speaker 8: and say they're a little bit coy about exactly how
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Speaker 8: bad the injury is. So, look, he's out for this one.
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Speaker 8: Let's hope that he's going to be okay for the
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Speaker 8: Rugby Championship.
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Speaker 2: Let's be frank, the focus of our season is the
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Speaker 2: spring Box two games there and we want him back
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Speaker 2: for that. Caleb Clark gets a second chance. Now, what
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Speaker 2: does he have to do.
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Speaker 8: I think he has to be good in the air.
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Speaker 8: I think that's one thing that they weren't last week
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Speaker 8: in Duneda and the All Blacks they just found it
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Speaker 8: very difficult to diffuse France's aerial game. So I think
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Speaker 8: that's one thing that they'll definitely have to do tomorrow,
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Speaker 8: and Caleb Clark's a big part of that. He's probably
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Speaker 8: the All Blacks best winger in terms of diffusing the
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Speaker 8: high bomb. He'd want to get a try as well, Andrew.
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Speaker 8: He didn't get a single try in Super Rugby Caleb Clark,
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Speaker 8: which is so unusual for a winger. But yeah, look
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Speaker 8: he gets his opportunity. He is a good player and
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Speaker 8: let's hope that he can show that at Sky Stadium
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Speaker 8: tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: And well, when the wingers don't get tries, I blame
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Speaker 2: the midfield, to be honest with you.
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Speaker 8: And that's a great point. It's a great point. And look,
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Speaker 8: we know who plays at center for the Blues, and
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Speaker 8: that's Rico Youani. He'll be out on the other wing
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Speaker 8: tomorrow night. So it's Billy who has the task at
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Speaker 8: center with Jordy Barrett inside him to provide those opportunities
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Speaker 8: for the wingers. It's a great point. So yeah, let's
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Speaker 8: hope they can provide the ammunition for the likes of
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Speaker 8: Clark and Yuannie and Will Jordan at fallback to score
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Speaker 8: some drives.
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Speaker 2: Actually, Rico has got a lot to prove as well.
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Speaker 2: If Billy's going to take over his role, which is
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Speaker 2: starting to look likely, he's got to make the wing
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Speaker 2: his home again.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, isn't it funny that he's gone across the right
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Speaker 8: wing as well. I've always thought of Rico Yoani if
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Speaker 8: he is a winger, as a left winger with eleven
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Speaker 8: on his back. But look, I can't remember the last
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Speaker 8: time he played on the right wing. Our rugby editor
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Speaker 8: Elliott Smith told me yesterday. He reckons it's twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 8: which is an awfully long time ago. Look, I don't
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Speaker 8: know that there's a huge difference between playing on the
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Speaker 8: left wing and on the right wing. But you're right,
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Speaker 8: he's got to find a place. If Billy Propt is
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Speaker 8: going to be the center, then Reco has to play
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Speaker 8: well on the wing just to make sure he's still
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Speaker 8: in the mix.
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Speaker 2: Jason, enjoy your weekend working out of a shed, and
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Speaker 2: I look forward to your sideline comments. And of course
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Speaker 2: Elliot Smith will be doing the call, and it's right
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Speaker 2: here on news Talks here B It is five to twenty.
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Speaker 2: New Talks a B is five twenty six. So another poll,
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Speaker 2: another rush of fevered opinion, and yet still so far
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Speaker 2: away from an election. The pole business is booming. Once
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Speaker 2: upon a time we used to have the two TV
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Speaker 2: networks in the game, but now they've been joined by others,
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Speaker 2: keeping the opinion writers in business and politics as the
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Speaker 2: leading news driver in this country. So this one was
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Speaker 2: paid for by the Taxpayers Union, and A breathlessly reports
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Speaker 2: that New Zealand First is on the rise. It is
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Speaker 2: now the third most popular party. Winston maybe eighty, but
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Speaker 2: it looks like he's here to stay. And the two
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Speaker 2: major parties are pretty equal at thirty on each. There
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Speaker 2: seems to be no dominant party right now in New Zealand.
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Speaker 2: And other than that, the other takeaway is that we
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Speaker 2: don't really like the leaders of the major parties. Both
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Speaker 2: leaders have popularity rankings less than twenty percent. That could
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Speaker 2: be because they're both demonstrably a bit average. Now that
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Speaker 2: is particularly concerning for National and the Prime Minister who
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Speaker 2: learns that eighty percent of the New Zealanders don't raige
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Speaker 2: them as a PM. And why is this? I think
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Speaker 2: it reflects a deep disease about where the country finds itself.
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Speaker 2: In a week where we found that we grew not
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Speaker 2: one jot in the last financial quarter, people are wondering
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Speaker 2: why we've got so stuck of the Mayer.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 2: National's easy answer at the last election in this past
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Speaker 2: eighteen months is that labor is useless. But eighteen months
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Speaker 2: International's governments, I feel people are still wondering where we're
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Speaker 2: going and where that Maybe they're a bit useless too,
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Speaker 2: And I blame politics and the urge to and the
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Speaker 2: urge to politicize every issue and to polarize the voters.
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Speaker 2: Our current default position from all our politicians is the
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Speaker 2: other side is crap. Vote for us. But I think
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Speaker 2: the country is saying, Ye're both crap. There is no
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Speaker 2: truth teller out there leading the way through the merk
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Speaker 2: and in this vacuum of leadership, Winston shines by just
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Speaker 2: doing the basics as a foreign minister well and not
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Speaker 2: being demonstrably useless.
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Speaker 1: News talk zed be It's.
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Speaker 2: The fortieth anniversary of the Rainbow Warrior bombing yesterday and
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Speaker 2: they had a little, a little pow wow down in
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Speaker 2: the wharves of Auckland. In fact, the new Rainbow Warrior
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Speaker 2: was there. I saw that boat actually about a month ago.
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Speaker 2: It was paying a visit and it was quite a
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Speaker 2: shock to see it because it looks just like the
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Speaker 2: old boat. But anyway, I can tell you exactly where
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Speaker 2: I was forty years ago when the Rainbow Warrior was bombed,
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Speaker 2: and I've got that story and I feel few feelings
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Speaker 2: about that still to come. We're talking to Vincent Macaveni
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Speaker 2: today out of the UK. The editorial in the Guardian
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Speaker 2: today is has the Trump putin bromance finally run its course.
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Speaker 2: You think ever get the feeling you've been played Donald,
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Speaker 2: No wonder you're swearing in public anyway. We'll talk to
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Speaker 2: Vincent's about the bromance between France and England. I'll tell
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Speaker 2: you a little bit about the foot see as well,
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Speaker 2: and later. Who knew that we had ATM machines that
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Speaker 2: dealt in crypto? We don't anymore. They've decided to get
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Speaker 2: rid of them because of money money laundering. So we'll
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Speaker 2: talked to Roger Bowman about that and the new anti
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Speaker 2: scam Alliance. So that's all still to come, including reporters
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Speaker 2: from right around New Zealander's Early edition continues here on
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Speaker 2: news Talk z it B on a Friday, the eleventh
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Speaker 2: of July.
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Speaker 1: The first Word on the News of the Day Early
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Speaker 1: Edition with Andrew Dickens and ex Pole Insulation keeping Kiwi
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Speaker 1: Holmes warm and dry this winter news Talks at B.
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Speaker 2: Good morning, thank you for choosing the program, my man
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Speaker 2: Tre Dickinson for Ryan Bridge. I've got another week to
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Speaker 2: do this and then he's back. Very emotional day yesterday
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Speaker 2: as the fortieth anniversary of the Rainbow Warrior bombing was
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Speaker 2: commemorated and I actually remembered that day well. At the time,
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Speaker 2: I had a flattened Parnell. It was the first time
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Speaker 2: I was living with Heaven, my partner. I'm still with Helen.
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Speaker 2: We've got two kids. Anyway, we're in Parnell. The middle
18:27
Speaker 2: of the night, We're woken up by a dull wamp.
18:31
Speaker 2: We both said what was that? And then of course
18:33
Speaker 2: we fell straight back to sleep. But when we woke up,
18:35
Speaker 2: we discovered the horror of state terrorism against New Zealand.
18:38
Speaker 2: We couldn't believe it, and it resulted in the death
18:40
Speaker 2: of a crewman. And so later that day, after going
18:43
Speaker 2: into UNI, I actually wandered down to Mars and Wharf
18:45
Speaker 2: and I joined the slow procession of onlookers looking at
18:48
Speaker 2: the half submerged wreck and it was really chilling and
18:51
Speaker 2: everyone was sad. Now this week I learned new stuff
18:54
Speaker 2: about the attack from the Rainbow Warrior podcast I Forgotten History,
18:58
Speaker 2: which is available now on iHeartRadio. They tracked down the
19:02
Speaker 2: French guy who actually planted the bomb. He lives in
19:04
Speaker 2: retirement in a lovely town in France called Metz. He's
19:08
Speaker 2: having a lovely full life the way Fernando Perira did not.
19:14
Speaker 2: He revealed they did a test run on a sheet
19:15
Speaker 2: of metal and they went, oh, now we're going to
19:18
Speaker 2: have to add some more umph into this, and the
19:20
Speaker 2: results led them to overcook the bomb on the boat,
19:23
Speaker 2: so blew the ship apart, and the Rainbow Warriors sank
19:26
Speaker 2: him five minutes flat, and that's why Fernando died. If
19:31
Speaker 2: the action wasn't shocky enough, the incompetence of the bombers
19:34
Speaker 2: is astounding. Really, the French called the project Operation Satanique,
19:40
Speaker 2: or otherwise known as Satanic, showing that they knew how
19:44
Speaker 2: bad they were being. It was an incredibly gross thing
19:46
Speaker 2: for one nation to do to another, And in my lifetime,
19:50
Speaker 2: no other nation has ever done anything to us quite
19:52
Speaker 2: so bad. It's a terrible breach of sovereignty. They're lucky
19:55
Speaker 2: we forgave them to be honest, and yet look at this.
19:57
Speaker 2: Their rugby team is here staying in a a hotel
20:01
Speaker 2: not two kilometers away from where the Rainbow Warrior went down.
20:05
Speaker 2: It's extraordinary news talk, said be Graham said me a
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Speaker 2: text it is well worth reading. Andrew, you need to
20:11
Speaker 2: offer a balanced view of New Zealand. If things are
20:14
Speaker 2: so bad, how come the Maldy economy is doing so
20:16
Speaker 2: well well, Graham. They've got a seventeen point five percent
20:20
Speaker 2: concessionary tax rate, so that helps.
20:22
Speaker 8: Graham.
20:23
Speaker 2: As how come Christians and Selwyn are going well well,
20:25
Speaker 2: they're still rebuilding frankly after the earthquake. Enjoy your new stadium,
20:30
Speaker 2: can't wait for it? And what about our agriculture and
20:33
Speaker 2: horticulture doing well? While that's overseas factors. But Graham says this,
20:37
Speaker 2: we need to speak positively as well as critically. It
20:40
Speaker 2: has become so fashionable to be down on New Zealand
20:42
Speaker 2: and not up tall poppy syndrome is alive and well,
20:44
Speaker 2: and you are feeding at Dickens without offering a balanced
20:47
Speaker 2: view of things. You've got a funny old economy right now.
20:50
Speaker 2: Some of it's going real real well. Farmers are great.
20:54
Speaker 1: News, talk, said b Let's.
20:57
Speaker 2: Go around the country. Callum Procter fromed and good morning
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Speaker 2: to you mate, morning Andrew. So that terrible stabbing in
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Speaker 2: Dunedin's bus hub. Where are we at with this?
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Speaker 9: Well, we've got the sentencing today. This is for the
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Speaker 9: fourteen year old who fatally stabbed a fellow teen back
21:14
Speaker 9: in May of twenty twenty four. The fourteen year old
21:17
Speaker 9: has permanent name suppression, but will be sentenced today. He
21:21
Speaker 9: was found guilty of manslaughter over this death of sixteen
21:25
Speaker 9: year old and edair Tana McLaren. He died of a
21:28
Speaker 9: single stab wound at the Great King Street bus hub.
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Speaker 9: The jury, you'll remember, return to the lesser charge of manslaughter.
21:35
Speaker 9: That was after more than two days of deliberations in March,
21:37
Speaker 9: so we await with interest the sentencing today. Meanwhile, concerns
21:42
Speaker 9: remain about tensions at the bus hub here. Recent incidents
21:46
Speaker 9: include a woman discharging a BB gun there and complaints
21:48
Speaker 9: that security guards are failing to patrol the area.
21:52
Speaker 2: How's your weather today?
21:53
Speaker 9: Fine for us, but rain from this afternoon strong nor
21:56
Speaker 9: easterlies get up Dunedin's high today twelve.
21:58
Speaker 2: Have a great weekend. Callum clai joins U from christ Church.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to your Claire.
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Speaker 8: Good morning.
22:03
Speaker 2: So there's going to be more international routes coming in
22:05
Speaker 2: and out of christ Church so that more Keywis can
22:07
Speaker 2: leave for Australia.
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Speaker 10: Ah, yes, well Andrew. We know that the Garden City
22:11
Speaker 10: has been a magnet for airlines recently. We've had the
22:13
Speaker 10: likes of Quantus, Singapore Air and China Southern all increasing
22:17
Speaker 10: capacity over summer in New Zealand's also boosted some routes
22:21
Speaker 10: between Auckland and Adelaide and it hasn't ruled out adding
22:24
Speaker 10: a bit more coming to and from christ Church. Now
22:26
Speaker 10: we've spoken with the mayor film major, he says, Look,
22:28
Speaker 10: christ Church is not going to bother relying on the
22:31
Speaker 10: national carrier. The airport's working really hard to get more
22:34
Speaker 10: flights in from a range of airlines. He says this
22:36
Speaker 10: talk about Korean Air and China Eastern also starting flights
22:40
Speaker 10: for christ Church. He says Lork christ Church has the
22:43
Speaker 10: best airport in New Zealand. That shows Auckland is spending
22:46
Speaker 10: a lot of money on theirs, but is also raising
22:48
Speaker 10: the landing charges, which apparently is why christ Church is
22:51
Speaker 10: getting more competitive now.
22:53
Speaker 2: It's a great airport. It's flat and as close to
22:55
Speaker 2: the town as really pretty when you come on in.
22:57
Speaker 2: And by the way, how's your weather?
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Speaker 10: Well, a bit foggy this morning, otherwise should clear to
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Speaker 10: find before some rain this after noon. Northeasterlies and a
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Speaker 10: high of thirteen.
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Speaker 2: And I thank you hav a great weekend, clear next
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Speaker 2: toelve from Wellington. Good morning, good morning, give me another
23:10
Speaker 2: reason to go to Tipapa well.
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Speaker 4: A take on Captain Robert Falcon Scott's Antarctic exhibition is
23:19
Speaker 4: opening at Tip Papa. It is a virtual reality experience.
23:23
Speaker 4: I believe it's been in Auckland and is now coming
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Speaker 4: to the capital. It provides a lifelike view of Scott's
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Speaker 4: famous voyage to Antarctica from nineteen ten. You can sort
23:32
Speaker 4: of put on the headset, crunch through snow pats and penguins.
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Speaker 4: Minister of Culture and Arts Paul Goldsmith opened it yesterday
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Speaker 4: at Tip Papa. Put it on himself, says it was
23:42
Speaker 4: eye opening, a great way to view a historic event
23:45
Speaker 4: and there would probably be an opportunity to make more
23:47
Speaker 4: of history available in such a VR fashion in the future.
23:51
Speaker 4: Available until Sunday, in hot demand.
23:54
Speaker 2: And how's your weather.
23:56
Speaker 4: It's going to be rainy later with stronger winds. Fifteen
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Speaker 4: the high and.
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Speaker 2: I thank you Max. Have a great weekend. Neva Ritchtiman
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Speaker 2: who joins me from Aukland. Hello, Neva, good morning, Happy Friday.
24:06
Speaker 2: Smith and Coe's Department store used to have the best
24:08
Speaker 2: Christmas windows and are thought to myself, what's happened to
24:12
Speaker 2: all that stuff?
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Speaker 6: Yes, well, as we all know. In the store is
24:15
Speaker 6: shut up in June after more than one hundred and
24:17
Speaker 6: forty years of trading. So the news now injuries that center,
24:21
Speaker 6: sleigh and all the other surplus supplies from Auckland's now
24:24
Speaker 6: closed Smith and Coe's department store up for auction. So
24:27
Speaker 6: the shop's Christmas Day car Now this includes as you say,
24:30
Speaker 6: the sleigh, the trees, the vintage ornament's antique furniture. It's
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Speaker 6: listed with the starting bid of forty four thousand dollars.
24:38
Speaker 6: And there are other lots which include the shelving units, mirrors,
24:41
Speaker 6: display tables, commercial kitchen appliances, plenty of coat hangers. It's
24:45
Speaker 6: all going. Some of the bids have a reserve price
24:47
Speaker 6: as low as one dollar. So this auction website we
24:51
Speaker 6: know will be starting from next Monday through to Sunday.
24:54
Speaker 2: And how's orkins.
24:54
Speaker 6: We're there, Okay, We've got rain, heavy falls from afternoon
24:57
Speaker 6: and the winds are going to be strong northerly is
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Speaker 6: galegusting one hundred kilimeters per hour and exposed places seventeen
25:02
Speaker 6: the high here in all Clinton and.
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Speaker 2: I thank you never have a great weekend. At is
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Speaker 2: seventeen minutes to six, and asked the question if we're
25:08
Speaker 2: losing so many people to Australia. Why do we need
25:10
Speaker 2: all the housing that people continually go on about well,
25:13
Speaker 2: and that is why the housing market right now is
25:16
Speaker 2: it's fair to say flat. In fact, Mark Smith from
25:19
Speaker 2: the ASP who talked to me just after the five
25:21
Speaker 2: o'clock news, was saying that this is affecting everything. We've
25:23
Speaker 2: got less people. That means your house won't be rising
25:26
Speaker 2: in prices. We're a little bit stuck in the mire
25:29
Speaker 2: for a whole load of reasons. So it's all workable.
25:32
Speaker 2: We can get round it. But the sooner the better.
25:34
Speaker 2: It is sixteen to six. Vincent Macavenni out of the
25:37
Speaker 2: UK in just a few moments time, and before the
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Speaker 2: news at six we're going to talk about scamming and
25:43
Speaker 2: crypto with Roger Beaumont.
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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance. Peace of mind
25:49
Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.
25:52
Speaker 2: If time is out thirteen to six. As I mentioned earlier,
25:56
Speaker 2: the editorial in the Guardian today is has the Trump
25:58
Speaker 2: prout and bromance finally and it's course you think you know. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: there's certainly a romance between France and England. As Macron's
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Speaker 2: visit continues, and we're joined now from the UK by
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Speaker 2: Vincent memcavinnie. Good morning to Vincent, Good morning. So how
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Speaker 2: did Macron finish his state visit?
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Speaker 11: Well, Macron has been here for three days. We've got
26:17
Speaker 11: all the sort of royal pomp and ceremony outs. On
26:19
Speaker 11: the first day he did a carriage tour around Windsor,
26:22
Speaker 11: he addressed Parliament and then there was a state banquet
26:24
Speaker 11: in the evening. But the last two days have all
26:27
Speaker 11: been about negotiations with Sakirs Starma, the Prime Minister, about
26:31
Speaker 11: a range of things, and we've had an announcement in
26:33
Speaker 11: the past few hours there will be a new sort
26:35
Speaker 11: of strategic partnership and alignment between the UK and France
26:39
Speaker 11: on their nuclear de terrans. They're going to coordinate much
26:41
Speaker 11: more closely. They wouldn't give us the full details because
26:44
Speaker 11: they need strategic ambivalence, they say, but that is the
26:47
Speaker 11: first deal of its kind between two nuclear powers. And
26:50
Speaker 11: then there is this one in, one out deal, so
26:53
Speaker 11: anyone they're going to run a pilot. Anyone who comes
26:55
Speaker 11: across the channel from France will be returned and imediately
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Speaker 11: quickly to France, and then the UK will take someone
27:04
Speaker 11: who has claimed asylum properly in France, not paid a
27:07
Speaker 11: trafficker who has the potential right to come to the
27:10
Speaker 11: UK because they already have a family member here and
27:13
Speaker 11: definitely need asylum. So this is a big game changer
27:16
Speaker 11: on a day where we've already had today around two
27:18
Speaker 11: hundred and fifty people crossing the Channel, and we're already
27:22
Speaker 11: up fifty percent on channel crossings this month versus where
27:26
Speaker 11: we are the same month last year. So this is
27:28
Speaker 11: a real priority for kirs Starmer, and it seemed that
27:31
Speaker 11: there was a sort of recognition now by France that
27:33
Speaker 11: they need to help get tough on this.
27:35
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the UK recognizes they're facing a rising and unpredictable
27:39
Speaker 2: threat from Iran.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, this's a really interesting report coming out from Parliament's
27:44
Speaker 11: Intelligence and Security Committee warning that Iran is posing a
27:49
Speaker 11: real risk and they are an unpredictable threat here in
27:52
Speaker 11: the UK. And we already have a large Iranian expat
27:56
Speaker 11: community here. A lot of them have felt threatened in
27:59
Speaker 11: the past by Iranian operatives, and we've had journalists working
28:03
Speaker 11: for International Iranian TV here being stalked and threatened as well,
28:07
Speaker 11: but this report sheds more light on it. So in
28:10
Speaker 11: the UK has to do more to counter this, and
28:11
Speaker 11: the report was actually drafted before. Of course, the attack
28:15
Speaker 11: recently that the US led on Iran that Britain says
28:18
Speaker 11: it didn't play a part in. But we have had
28:21
Speaker 11: an attempted attack earlier this year on the Israeli embassy
28:24
Speaker 11: by five Iranian men. So this seems to be ratcheting
28:28
Speaker 11: up the terrorism register as a possible problem for the UK.
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Speaker 2: Excuse me, good on you, Vincent. Sorry, I've just had
28:34
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee. Good on you, Vincent. Thank you
28:36
Speaker 2: for joining us today and enjoy your weekend.
28:39
Speaker 11: Thanks, have a good weekend.
28:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, the foots one hundred indis
28:42
Speaker 2: are the most valuable companies on the London Stock Exchange
28:45
Speaker 2: has sought to a record high in good news. This
28:48
Speaker 2: is because of this is a shrugging off concerns about
28:50
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's trade wars. So good times for the UK.
28:54
Speaker 2: They hope it is ten six news talks.
28:57
Speaker 1: It'd be all right.
28:58
Speaker 2: Finally, some good news about skims. The Government's going to
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Speaker 2: address the country's scamming issues head with an anti scam alliance.
29:07
Speaker 2: So with some reports suggesting the scams costing kind of
29:11
Speaker 2: up to two billion, dollars annually. People are saying it's
29:14
Speaker 2: well over due. The New Zealand Banking Association chief executive
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Speaker 2: is Roger Beaumont, who joins me now the body teer Roger.
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Speaker 7: Oh, good morning, Andrew, good to talk to you.
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Speaker 2: So what does this alliance actually do? What does it mean?
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Speaker 7: Well, what it means, excuse me, is a coordinated approach
29:29
Speaker 7: across a number of industries and government agencies around tackling
29:33
Speaker 7: scams because no one industry can actually deal with it
29:36
Speaker 7: on their own. The banks have stepped up and done
29:39
Speaker 7: a pretty good job of putting processes into place to
29:42
Speaker 7: protect customers, but for it to truly be an effective ecosystem,
29:47
Speaker 7: it needs everybody working together. And that's what the SAME's
29:49
Speaker 7: to do.
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Speaker 2: Shoul. We have done that right from the go.
29:52
Speaker 7: Oh, we've been calling for this for a couple of years, Andrew.
29:55
Speaker 7: We've said that actually we can't do this on our own.
29:58
Speaker 7: We need government leadership to actually bring all the individual
30:03
Speaker 7: entities together to work in a coordinated way. So you know,
30:08
Speaker 7: it's good that it's happened.
30:10
Speaker 2: So scams, are they becoming worse or are we getting
30:12
Speaker 2: on top of them?
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Speaker 7: Well, I think just the awareness and education that's gone
30:18
Speaker 7: on by some of the awful stories that you've seen
30:20
Speaker 7: play out in the media have themselves been an incredible
30:24
Speaker 7: educational device. We also have put some processes into place
30:29
Speaker 7: that have I think made a different So at Easter
30:34
Speaker 7: we finished rolling out a thing called confirmation a payee
30:37
Speaker 7: and you've probably experienced this if you've paid someone new
30:40
Speaker 7: or made a one off payment by your banking app
30:45
Speaker 7: or your online banking and what that does, for example,
30:48
Speaker 7: is it tries to match that the person you're paying
30:53
Speaker 7: matches the account number that that money is going into,
30:55
Speaker 7: and you'll get a message back. But that's either a
30:58
Speaker 7: complete match or a partial match, or no match at all,
31:01
Speaker 7: and it'll give you that comfort or assurance that it's
31:04
Speaker 7: right or to go or if not, to go back
31:07
Speaker 7: and check some of those details.
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Speaker 2: Yah, I've had a few of those. It's a little
31:09
Speaker 2: bit of a hassle, but at the same time, it's
31:11
Speaker 2: a little bit of a hassle, but it's even more
31:13
Speaker 2: of a hassle to lose money, that's right.
31:15
Speaker 7: I mean, you can't have it all. You've got a
31:17
Speaker 7: If you want to have protections in place, there are
31:19
Speaker 7: going to be there that's going to put friction in
31:23
Speaker 7: the payment system and process. But that friction, I think
31:27
Speaker 7: is a very small price to pay for having surety
31:30
Speaker 7: about who you're sending money to.
31:31
Speaker 2: All right, good luck. Now the thing I learned last night,
31:34
Speaker 2: I had no idea we had two hundred crypto ATMs
31:36
Speaker 2: in this country that being outboored.
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Speaker 7: Do you have an opinion on this, Well, it's interesting
31:42
Speaker 7: that a number of we're just following a number of
31:44
Speaker 7: jurisdictions around the world that have banned crypto ATMs. I
31:48
Speaker 7: think the UK did it first in twenty twenty two
31:51
Speaker 7: from memory, and so that is a global trend now
31:56
Speaker 7: for that to happen. And crypto is a known tool
32:00
Speaker 7: for criminals to shift money around the globe, and so
32:03
Speaker 7: I think anything that puts in place processes that reduced
32:07
Speaker 7: the opportunities for scammers and crims to be active is
32:11
Speaker 7: a good thing.
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Speaker 2: Would it be fair to say that the banking industry
32:14
Speaker 2: hates crypto?
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Speaker 7: I wouldn't go. We're not haters, Andrew.
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Speaker 2: Roger, I got to go. I gotta go, lovely to
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Speaker 2: talk to you. Roger Beaumont, who is the New Zealand
32:27
Speaker 2: Banking Association's Chief executive News Talks b it is seven
32:30
Speaker 2: and two six.
32:32
Speaker 1: Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Andrew
32:35
Speaker 1: Dickens and ex Fole Insulation keeping Kiwi homes warm and
32:39
Speaker 1: dry This winter News Talks by the d.
32:42
Speaker 2: C Ellen is on the Breakfast Show this morning. And
32:44
Speaker 2: the very first thing she said to me was, Dickens,
32:46
Speaker 2: you look naked.
32:47
Speaker 12: You do look a little bit tired.
32:49
Speaker 2: I've come right now. But it was three thirty in
32:51
Speaker 2: the morning.
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Speaker 12: I was worried about was because you have you you
32:54
Speaker 12: are known for a late night and what did you do?
32:56
Speaker 12: Was it Monday or Tuesday night.
32:58
Speaker 2: That you stayed at went out to the arts of
32:59
Speaker 2: banks until what time?
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Speaker 8: Yeah?
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Speaker 12: That's really late mate, And so I thought, oh, no,
33:04
Speaker 12: he's pulled an all night again, isn't he?
33:05
Speaker 6: No?
33:06
Speaker 2: No, but true, I do now.
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Speaker 12: So what must have happened was that you got out
33:11
Speaker 12: of bed and walks, you know, get your wake up face.
33:13
Speaker 2: It's got three thirty.
33:14
Speaker 12: Yeah you have still had your wake up face.
33:16
Speaker 2: Absolutely, swelling had came down. I forgive you now. It's
33:19
Speaker 2: all good, okay, So what are you doing on the show?
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Speaker 9: Listen?
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Speaker 12: We're going to talk about scams the government. You know,
33:26
Speaker 12: scams have been a thing forever, right, and we've been
33:28
Speaker 12: talking about it for a very long time. Government's finally
33:29
Speaker 12: got an anti scam alliance together.
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Speaker 2: So try to Roger Beaumont about that.
33:33
Speaker 12: Brillian, Yeah, love Rodge. Love Rodge lives down the road
33:35
Speaker 12: from me somewhere. Also going to talk about Alan. Do
33:39
Speaker 12: you remember how last winter Sam and Brown floated that
33:41
Speaker 12: idea that we can put it as the pipe dream.
33:44
Speaker 12: It's not going to happen. It costs out a billion dollars.
33:46
Speaker 2: What about my what about my barbecue?
33:48
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm sorry about your barbie, but what about my
33:50
Speaker 12: stove at TYR? Yeah, sorry about your fancy stove.
33:53
Speaker 6: Have you?
33:54
Speaker 12: By the way, have you explained to people how epic
33:56
Speaker 12: you'll be chouses? It's not it's not a batch. Is
33:59
Speaker 12: that I can design.
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Speaker 2: Actually my home? People say you're going to your holiday homeday,
34:03
Speaker 2: it's actually my home.
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Speaker 5: Hey?
34:04
Speaker 2: Look, can I also say when we have no more
34:08
Speaker 2: guests for the barbecue and all that sort, then can
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Speaker 2: you imagine how much electricity we're going to start using?
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Speaker 8: And so worry?
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Speaker 2: Hey see you next week.
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Speaker 12: Have a nice morning.
34:16
Speaker 2: Yeah you too.
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Speaker 4: Town Flats and don't be in twice.
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