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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 219 | Making Deals, Washington, Strange & Walker Contract Scenarios · Jags A.M.

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into jag zam kind Annie Stevens. Here is Brian
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  Speaker 1: Sexton and John Oser. It's the adult drums of March.
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  Speaker 1: But we're gonna look ahead a little bit to the
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  Speaker 1: draft and tell you what's been going on with the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars right now during the off season.
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  Speaker 2: We'll start off with big things. Big thing number one
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  Speaker 2: is a no go.
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  Speaker 1: After free agency when there was limited moves, we did
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  Speaker 1: see the Jaguars try to make a pickup with a
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  Speaker 1: special teams player from the Seattle Seahawks, take Bobo, but
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  Speaker 1: their offer was matched by the Seahawks, so he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be staying in Seattle and Brian without a ton of additions.
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  Speaker 2: That was someone they kind of went after. They really
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  Speaker 2: wanted him.
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  Speaker 1: Because he's a special teams ace and he's really tough
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  Speaker 1: and committee for that position.
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  Speaker 3: And is a capable fifth receiver. He is a really
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  Speaker 3: good player.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look John out Quickly, the Seattle Seahawks jumped
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  Speaker 4: to match that the Jaguars wanted him. They were patient
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  Speaker 4: and waiting for things to settle down to make their offer,
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  Speaker 4: but it didn't take Seattle. On the eve of signing
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  Speaker 4: Jackson Smith and Jigbook to the biggest wide receiver contract
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  Speaker 4: in league history. It took them almost no time to
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  Speaker 4: make their decision about what they wanted.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought the t's on, this is gonna be
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  Speaker 5: no go Bobo, no Bobobo.
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  Speaker 6: But they did really like him.
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  Speaker 5: And I think it speaks to how the Jaguars are
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  Speaker 5: going about free agency and that they're they're shopping for
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  Speaker 5: things they want and when they don't if they don't
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  Speaker 5: get those things, they're not going Willie and Nelly and Okay,
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  Speaker 5: I didn't get this cool thing, Now I'm gonna get
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  Speaker 5: the next cool thing.
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  Speaker 6: They wanted this guy.
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  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think that it means they're going to
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  Speaker 5: switch off to the quote next free agent or who
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  Speaker 5: also play special teams. This was a very specific need
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  Speaker 5: and I think they'll continue to look for the right
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  Speaker 5: way to fill that need.
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  Speaker 4: And Liam Cohen talked about this guy, not Mike or
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  Speaker 4: Bobo specifically, but he talked about having that fifth receiver
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  Speaker 4: caui last year during training camp, the bigger guy that
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  Speaker 4: could contribute on special.
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  Speaker 3: Teams in a meaningful way.
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  Speaker 4: And they went They traded for Tim Patrick right before
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  Speaker 4: the season began, and then they went looking hunting for
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  Speaker 4: this guy, which goes to tell you, John that finding
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  Speaker 4: this guy, a bigger receiver special team's ace is not
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  Speaker 4: an easy guy to find. Y.
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  Speaker 5: This guy's a little bit of a younger Tim Patrick
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  Speaker 5: and with less tread on the tires.
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  Speaker 6: So we'll see what happens on that front.
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  Speaker 1: We will or second, big things are they going to
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  Speaker 1: be Let's make a deal. Now, they didn't make a
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  Speaker 1: ton of big free agency signings or only one actually,
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  Speaker 1: but they are trying to re sign some of their
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  Speaker 1: own guys.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is the time of the.
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  Speaker 1: Year when they can focus a little bit on that. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: some people are going to be coming up in their
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  Speaker 1: final year of their contracts. Other people they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: get ahead of it with them. How much of that
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  Speaker 1: is a focus for them right now? Also with the
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  Speaker 1: draft coming up, John, But they are working on these deals.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think it's a focus and it's a long
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  Speaker 5: term focus. Parker Washing, Brenton Strange and Trayvon Walker are
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  Speaker 5: the three. To me, my understanding is those are the three.
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  Speaker 5: They want to figure out a way to try to
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  Speaker 5: get those guys done. And if you think about it,
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  Speaker 5: all three really reliable, really tough players, guys who fit.
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  Speaker 5: It's gonna be hard to get all three done within
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  Speaker 5: a year. I think it's very doable. When I say.
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  Speaker 6: Hard, you've really got to make the numbers work.
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  Speaker 5: You have to make the player understand where it meets
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  Speaker 5: the situation, where it makes sense for the team, and
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  Speaker 5: those conversations can be hard when you're trying to do
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  Speaker 5: the cap right. But I also think the relationship with
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  Speaker 5: all three of those guys my senses. All three of
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  Speaker 5: those guys want to be here, they like what's going on.
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  Speaker 5: The team considers them long term building blocks, and now
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  Speaker 5: you've just got to figure out a way to cement
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  Speaker 5: the building blocks into place right.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 4: The hard part, John, is is that the contract. Parker
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  Speaker 4: Washington as an example, Smith and jigg but got this
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  Speaker 4: deal with one hundred and sixty million dollars guaranteed, and
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  Speaker 4: I think the average per year is upward of forty
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  Speaker 4: million dollars. Now, he had an amazing season and pukin
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  Speaker 4: Akua is coming right behind him.
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  Speaker 3: So Parker was your number one guy last year.
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  Speaker 4: Fifty eight catches led the team, ninety five targets led
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  Speaker 4: the team, and under forty seven yards led the team.
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  Speaker 4: Five receiving touchdowns led your team fourteen point six yards
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  Speaker 4: per catch average was three point six inches, less than
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  Speaker 4: four inches away from leading the team. Brian Thomas was
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  Speaker 4: fourteen point seven.
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  Speaker 3: So how do you pay that?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, how do you keep up with a guy
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  Speaker 4: who is a solid contributor, maybe your best overall receiver,
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  Speaker 4: certainly the guy that made the biggest plays for you.
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  Speaker 4: But that's not that's not forty million dollars a year.
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  Speaker 4: That's not what pookin Akua is going to get. So
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  Speaker 4: as you start thinking reasonably about this is what he
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  Speaker 4: means to us, and how do we carve out a
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  Speaker 4: future and being able to sign Brenton Strange who you mentioned,
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  Speaker 4: and Trayvon Walker who you mentioned, and Anton Harris who's
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  Speaker 4: coming up not long behind that.
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  Speaker 3: You got it. There's a lot of moving parts. It's
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  Speaker 3: a very complicated negotiation.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they have some mechan ms KAI with Antonon, meaning
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  Speaker 5: they had the fifty year option potential franchise tag, which
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  Speaker 5: you see at that position sometimes when they need to
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  Speaker 5: extend time. But I think with Parker Washington, the key
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  Speaker 5: is they keep speaking about this receiver position as sort
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  Speaker 5: of three complimentary pieces.
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  Speaker 6: None of them were over a thousand yards last year.
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  Speaker 5: That's how ideally you would pay the guys as part
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  Speaker 5: of a puzzle. Guys don't always want to be paid
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  Speaker 5: as part of a puzzle, so that's the rub.
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  Speaker 4: One other factor also is is that you paid Jakobe Myers,
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  Speaker 4: who you traded for last year K twenty million dollars.
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  Speaker 4: He is the highest paid receiver on your team. He's
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  Speaker 4: only twenty third overall in the NFL, and I would
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  Speaker 4: imagine that if you pay him twenty million dollars a year,
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  Speaker 4: you're expecting him to graduate into that number one guy
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  Speaker 4: role for them next year. So it's a fascinating conversation
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  Speaker 4: as you start to look forward with where this team
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  Speaker 4: is and where they wanted to get to.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, something to keep an eye on, especially as the
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  Speaker 1: off season end, potentially the season comes along.
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  Speaker 2: Our final big thing today is going to be on location.
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  Speaker 2: We're looking ahead.
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  Speaker 1: The owners' meetings are taking place next week. The stadium
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  Speaker 1: construction well underway here in Jacksonville, but they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be voting the owners are on where the team will
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  Speaker 1: play there away.
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  Speaker 2: Game their home games.
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  Speaker 1: Excues me next season when the stadium is being renovated. Now,
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  Speaker 1: obviously they have one more season here in Jacksonville, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: but it's between Jainesville and Orlando. It's going to officially
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  Speaker 1: come out, hopefully by this time when the show's on
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  Speaker 1: next week, will have a location.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I had speaking engagement in Orlando last week and a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people wanted to talk about that. There is
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  Speaker 4: a strong assumption on the part of people in the
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  Speaker 4: business community down there that that's where it's headed. But
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  Speaker 4: we haven't heard anything from the league, and there's a
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  Speaker 4: level of interest and excitement about what Central Florida might
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  Speaker 4: be for the Jaguars going forward. It's not the most
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  Speaker 4: pressing issue in terms of football, which is what we
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  Speaker 4: talk about a lot on this show. The stadium, obviously,
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  Speaker 4: you know going on right behind us is under full construction,
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  Speaker 4: So it's a question and a concern because people want
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  Speaker 4: to know where they're going to sit in twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 4: The Jaguars have played time to get this one done,
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  Speaker 4: but there's a lot of interest in Central Florida, I
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  Speaker 4: can tell your first hand.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, all the buzz seems to be Orlando.
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  Speaker 5: But the reason there's a vote and the reason they
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  Speaker 5: don't make things official off buzz is that votes make
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  Speaker 5: things official, so we'll see next week.
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  Speaker 2: Officials officially official. Next week, we'll check in and see
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  Speaker 2: what it's going to be.
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  Speaker 1: Next week on Jagson, we'll hopefully have the latest for
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  Speaker 1: you then a little later on in the show. Today,
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  Speaker 1: stay with us, We're going to check in with some
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  Speaker 1: of your players in the off season, see what they're
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  Speaker 1: getting up to. We check in little Laquinn Allen. Welcome, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind downy Stephen Jaguars team reporter checking in with
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  Speaker 1: your favorite Jaguars players to see what they're getting up
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  Speaker 1: to in the off season. And first off is going to,
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  Speaker 1: of course be running back with Quinn Allen.
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  Speaker 6: You finish up.
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  Speaker 1: Finally your rookie year's over, so I imagine the first
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  Speaker 1: time you have been playing football in a while, right,
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  Speaker 1: So does it feel a little weird?
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  Speaker 7: It definitely feels a little bit of weird. But I've
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  Speaker 7: been training, you know, I'm ready to get back. I
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  Speaker 7: can't wait till you get back.
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  Speaker 1: So what are you up to right now?
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  Speaker 2: What's what's the training deal?
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  Speaker 4: And where are you?
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  Speaker 7: I'm training at Arizona Exles, you know, just perfecting my craft,
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  Speaker 7: you know, so I can take it to the next level.
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  Speaker 8: You know, we hit the field and we lift every day.
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  Speaker 7: And you know we have a like training staff in
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  Speaker 7: there and get pet whatever, you know, hurting, and you know,
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  Speaker 7: just keep your body, you know, up to date, you know,
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  Speaker 7: in shape.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely absolutely rookie years behind. You now have that little
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  Speaker 1: bit of experience. What was the biggest I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if it's shock or surprise. What was the biggest like
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  Speaker 1: change for you going pro?
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  Speaker 9: I would say just just like a day to day basis,
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  Speaker 9: just knowing like your body is, knowing like how to
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  Speaker 9: keep your body, you know, at the highest level and
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  Speaker 9: perform at the highest level every day because you know
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  Speaker 9: it's a long season.
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  Speaker 7: Even before the season starts, you know, camp and all
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  Speaker 7: of that. But you know, other than that, once you
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  Speaker 7: realize that, you know, it's smooth.
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  Speaker 2: Some changes in your room.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, Traves etn go back home. He signed with the Saints.
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  Speaker 2: But now you have a.
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  Speaker 1: New guy and sea Rod coming into town. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you're familiar with this game or not, but
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  Speaker 1: is it kind of exciting to have a new face
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  Speaker 1: in there now?
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  Speaker 2: For sure?
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  Speaker 7: I can't wait to meet him, you know, I can't
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  Speaker 7: wait to learn a few things with them.
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  Speaker 8: The season's gonna be great. I can't wait to get
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  Speaker 8: after it.
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  Speaker 1: I did want to ask you a follow on social media,
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  Speaker 1: of course, and I saw you on Twitter show a photo.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like it's AI, but it's from twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: so tell me a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Where did that photo come from?
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  Speaker 7: So I was getting recruited to Syracuse and twenty twenty
• 9:30
  Speaker 7: was COVID and Syracuse wanted me to commit there.
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  Speaker 8: I actually did commit my junior year.
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  Speaker 7: It was COVID and they sent me a vision board
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  Speaker 7: of me being drafted and it was actually to the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 7: And it's kind of crazy, you know, a few for
• 9:43
  Speaker 7: years down the road, you know, I went to Syracuse
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  Speaker 7: and actually got drafted by the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: So it's crazy your vision board came true.
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  Speaker 8: Definitely, for sure. God is really got really a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: A fans, you know, big fan of you when we
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: mike you up, of course, because you got you got
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: a lot to say when you're on the football field.
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: But one of the things that we love to watch
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: you do is pass protect for Trevor Lawrence. And I
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: know you like to take on the biggest guy on
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: the opposite team who was your favorite person that you
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  Speaker 1: blocked last year?
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  Speaker 8: My favorite person that I blocked last year?
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  Speaker 7: I would say all of them, you know, I would
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  Speaker 7: say all of them because you know, it wasn't easy.
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  Speaker 8: It wasn't easy, and you know, just doing play in
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  Speaker 8: and play out, you know, for the whole game.
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  Speaker 7: That's all I would say. But I can't wait to
• 10:29
  Speaker 7: get back though, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, anybody that comes your way, I'm sure you're ready
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  Speaker 1: for Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: Good luck with off season training and we'll see you
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  Speaker 1: soon for O t A s.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: That was our off season.
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  Speaker 1: Checking with running back la Quinn Allen say with us here,
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  Speaker 1: we'll be right back for jacks Am.
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to jag Zam.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, we're gonna check in with doron oser ozone
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  Speaker 1: mail bag questions.
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  Speaker 2: Share your wisdom with us as you do every day
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  Speaker 2: on the website.
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  Speaker 3: I'll share it.
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  Speaker 1: So definitely we're gonna start with a Scooter from Saint
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  Speaker 1: Augustine says the roster looks pretty solid. Is this the
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  Speaker 1: situation that leads to quote best players available for draft
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  Speaker 1: picks or are they going to go with position players?
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  Speaker 5: Well, it it's funny, Brian. We've been talking about this
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  Speaker 5: for thirty years, the best available player need and uh,
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  Speaker 5: it's never in a vacuum.
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  Speaker 6: The best way to describe how this really.
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  Speaker 5: Works is every GM would love ideally to always pick
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  Speaker 5: best availament, so you wind up picking best available with
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  Speaker 5: sort of a percentage of your need involved. So every
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  Speaker 5: GM's goal during free agency is to enter the draft
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  Speaker 5: looking at a big white board. It's probably not a
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  Speaker 5: whiteboard anymore, it's probably AI, it's probably Robot and seeing
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  Speaker 5: there to be a starter at every they say, can
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  Speaker 5: we get lined up? And they can line up. They
• 12:08
  Speaker 5: can start a team right now, with the possible exception
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  Speaker 5: of maybe outside linebacker, but they're okay there with Vintrel
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  Speaker 5: Miller if he starts, they're finding good with that. Maybe
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  Speaker 5: defensive tackle, but Eric Armstead, Devine Hamilton. You can start
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  Speaker 5: there and feel good on opening Day. So yes, James
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  Speaker 5: Gladstone said at his most recent availability that he likes
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  Speaker 5: the fact that they're in a position to draft without
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  Speaker 5: much regard to need. You always have a little bit
• 12:36
  Speaker 5: of that, but as much as you can, they're in
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  Speaker 5: good shape to go.
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  Speaker 6: Beap Listen.
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  Speaker 4: The only I can add to this is that when
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  Speaker 4: you have a James Gladstone who is running the show
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  Speaker 4: as he is, you don't know what he's going to
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  Speaker 4: necessarily do. I mean, people were stunned when he didn't
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  Speaker 4: take his entire contingent to the combine in Indianapolis. They
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  Speaker 4: do things asymmetrically to the rest of the league here,
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  Speaker 4: I do think, and John talks about looking at the
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  Speaker 4: entire picture, they're not always just looking at this year's draft.
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  Speaker 4: They're looking at next year's.
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  Speaker 3: They have an.
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  Speaker 4: Idea of what they want, what they need where they
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  Speaker 4: can get it, and maybe they have to wait on
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  Speaker 4: some things till twenty twenty seven when the draft is
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  Speaker 4: better at a position, whether it's receiver or corner or
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  Speaker 4: left tackle or whatever they might be looking at. So
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  Speaker 4: I'd love to tell you it's best available player, because
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  Speaker 4: I think that's always the smartest decision. But James Gladstone
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  Speaker 4: does things differently and it's worked out really well so
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  Speaker 4: far for the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 1: I think this year, specifically, without a first round pick,
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  Speaker 1: you might end up doing something like that because we
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  Speaker 1: don't really know what it's going to look like by
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  Speaker 1: the time they get to their pick in the later rounds.
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  Speaker 1: So something to keep an eye on for sure. Our
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  Speaker 1: second question today is a little bit something we talked
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  Speaker 1: about earlier, but Treyvon Walker. So John, regarding a potential
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  Speaker 1: extension for Trayvon Walker, what does the actual negotiation process
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  Speaker 1: look like during the season or the early offseason. I'm curious,
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  Speaker 1: so they actively quote at the table right now or
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  Speaker 1: is it.
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  Speaker 6: Kind of Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Typically on something like this, it depends on the circumstance.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes it depends on how well the GM knows the
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  Speaker 5: agent exactly.
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  Speaker 6: How it looks.
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  Speaker 5: But it's typically sort of as you would expect. Both
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  Speaker 5: sides sort of have an idea of where numbers are
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  Speaker 5: out there. The team usually makes an initial volley offer.
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  Speaker 6: People.
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  Speaker 5: I think my answer when I answered this on the
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  Speaker 5: website was you get an offer, and then they go
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  Speaker 5: back and they talk about it, and there's another offer back,
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  Speaker 5: and the people who receive who are offered, they talk
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  Speaker 5: about it. On something like Trayvon, it could go on.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if it started yet, but I'm assuming
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  Speaker 5: that these machinations are starting to take place.
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  Speaker 6: It could go on a few months.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And there's nothing wrong with that because these are
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  Speaker 5: three guys, meaning Trayvon, Brenton and Parker we've talked about,
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  Speaker 5: there's really not a whole lot of rush, and I
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  Speaker 5: would anticipate what you have is an amicable back and
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  Speaker 5: forth of Okay, in a couple of weeks, Hey, we
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  Speaker 5: get that offer, but here's what we're thinking. Gradually come
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  Speaker 5: together with all the players, meaning Trayvon Brenton and Christian realized,
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  Speaker 5: I mean.
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  Speaker 6: Christian Parker who always considered.
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: Diector Christian Kirk junior, you know, realizing that it's taking
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: place and going in the right direction. I would anticipate
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: all these being a slow but as we all know,
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: usually what happens on stuff like this, there's talking, talk
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: and talk, and then a deadline all of a sudden
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: gets you at that table.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: Nothing, deadlines makehap things happen.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: Nothing really happens till the deadline. Ano the Jaguars, the
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: one place where maybe they put themselves in a weaker
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: negotiating position is when they started talking last year about
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: Daguars DNA John about the DNA of the locker room
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: and what they wanted because it was so clear this
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: guy's get and you it's not really a weaker negotiating position,
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: but you want him no matter what. This is a
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: guy that sets the tempo for your team because he's
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: so tough and he's so reliable. Last year he played
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: with the wrists and the knee. I had one player
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: tell me he thought Traybon was maybe forty forty five
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: percent and he was out there at the end of
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: the year making plays on fourth down, key plays.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: This is a.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: DNA guy, and I don't want to say you pay
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: him whatever it costs, but you're gonna pay him because
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: he's too important to your team.
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: Also, all three of these guys, I'm not meaning to
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: always bring Brenton and Parker back into it, but it
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: feels like these are ones that they're going to try
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: to get done. All three of them fit the profile
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: that gms want, meaning when you sign a guy to
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: that contract at a GM, tell me once when you
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: go home that night, you want to be able to
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: put your head on the pillow and not worry about it.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: You don't want to be like in the side room
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: drinking scotch, going, oh.
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: Jeez, w do that.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: So all three of these guys are guys that when
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: you sign him, there's no guarant he's in life. But
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: it's hard to picture Parker Washington Trayvon Walker, Brittain Strange
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: not working even after they get paid to maximize their careers.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: You don't worry about these guys with any sort of
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: you know, if they get knocked off their path, it's
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: going to be because of injury, not things they can control,
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: and you feel, okay, pay in that kind of a guy.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: There's just very few players when we talk about setting
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: a standard for what this new team is going to
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: be where on a team, if you remove them, you
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: can kind of keep the identity of a team.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: He's one of those players.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Obviously your quarterback by definition, but Tremon Walker's one of
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: those players you remove him, I don't know what the
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: defense looks like exactly without him in there.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Not as good.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: If you want to be tough, if you want to
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: be tougher than your opponent. Everybody in the NFL is
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: kind of tough. Trayvon's kind of if you're tough among
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: the tough though. Yeah, he's that guy that the other
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: players go, Okay, it's tough. So that I think it
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: is definitely a part and thanks Brian alluded to they
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: saw last year this regime sort of saw Trayvon at
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: fifty percent and I'm sure after you sort of decompressed
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: from the season and start thinking about it, at some
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: point in a meeting somebody went, Hey, that's him fifty percent,
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: and if that's the worst we get out of him, right, wow.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Listen.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: I this will not necessarily be a popular opinion, but
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: I think he could end up as your all time
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: sack leader by the time he's done. And not because
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: he's going to have twenty sacks seasons, which is what
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: we think, but because I think when he's healthy, as
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: he had proven the two years before, he's a ten
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: sack ten sacked, ten sack guy.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Then he's so tough.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I think he could do that over ten years and
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: be one hundred sacks. I mean, I just think he's
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: that kind of a player who's just so steady and
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: strong and powerful and there all the time that he
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: could end up he could end up surprising some people
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: with his production.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: I always go back to, and it's right comparison, but
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: it's one Jags fans might be familiar with. He reminds
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: me of a guy who could have a Kalais Campbell
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: type career.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, for.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Sure, never necessarily. Oh wow, he's the best SAT guy
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: in the league. But over the course, if you had
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: chosen Kalais Campbell number one overall in the draft that
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: he came out in and you were that franchise, would.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: You have egg on your face right now?
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: No?
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: So, I mean, but there was a lot of it
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: then because he was a second round pick.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: I think with Trayvon, I think that's the kind of
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: career he's going to have. We're all of a sudden,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: in fourteen years, people are going to.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Go, Wow, yeah, exactly good, exactly right.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Hopefully here in Jacksonville.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Our final question for you, John Mikey asks you, Mike,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: what do you think of the Cleveland Browns proposal to
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: allow trades involving picks five years into the future.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Does it have any chance of passing?
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about.
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: At the meaning does that have a chance.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: That's pretty far out.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: I don't have a I don't have a real feel
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: that it has a chance. I don't think this team
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: likes it, meaning the Jags. I doubt that vote for it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Here.
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: It sounds okay on paper, but here's what I think
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: the league has to guard against with this, and I
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: think they will guard against I d I do not
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: think it'll pass. You've got your a GM in twenty
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: six can trade theoretically twenty seven nine thirty thirty one
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: first second round picks in I I in in what
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: for the GM is a desperate move to keep his job,
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: and then you have the new regime coming in with
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: nothing to build.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: On half a decade.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: The argument the owners other owners could say is well,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: it's up to the owner of that team to take
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: responsibility for that GM. But I think sometimes, Brian, we've
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: seen the owner's uh the salary caps a goold example
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: of this. Owners have to make rules to guard against themselves,
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: to protect them against themselves, and I think this would
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: be I think this would lead to a lot of
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: really bad situations.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: I think the move would be bad for the league.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine why ownership would want to put themselves
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: in this situation, except that we have seen plenty of
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: owners in this league who opened that checkbook in pursuit
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: of free agency and watch it create downstream effects to
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: their salary cap. Just imagine if Trent Balki had had
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: all that sort of leverage and spent knowing he was
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: on the hot seat and left James Gladstone and Tony
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: Boselli without anything that they could use to move up
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: last year to grab the player.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: That they wanted.
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: It just it hamstrings your future.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: I would not would not allow this to happen.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: But again, the other argument is owners own the team,
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: so it is ultimately the owner's responsibility if he sees
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: a GM about to do this to say, hey, I
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: don't care what regime you're in, this is my team.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: You're not doing it. Realistically, it's not often how the.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: League works, so I think this is a dangerous thing
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: and could really hamster franchise.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: The only thing I've heard in terms of support for
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: this is that it creates more interest because it creates
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: a trade. That's not a reason to do it. There's
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: enough interest in the national it dominates. Yeah, I guess
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: it's fun, but it doesn't I think stand up to
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: the test of time. Which is what this league has
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: done so well is to make sure that they do
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: the right thing for the right reason.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, clearly, the league likes the effect of making
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: compensatory picks tradeable. The league clearly likes because it used
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: to me, you got those compics he had to take
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: and they were sort of bored well, now you have
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: compics and it's.
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Like when you do a little light with a cat,
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: So compicks are fun because everybody trades and use them
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: as currency. But I don't think this team likes it,
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: and this team likes using picks as currency. So hopefully
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: this team's approach.
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: To this.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Well help allow the rest of the league to calm
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: down and say, let's not go this far ahead.
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: You've already got three years worth. Yeah, have your fun
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: with those three.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Well, listen, they need twenty four votes to make this pass.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: It's hard to see twenty four votes on this one.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: So far out five years from now, who knows what'll
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: be going.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: With excly, Yeah, and I think that's what I just
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: think it's dangerous to.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: Get off my lawn.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, stay with on Jagsam. We'll come back
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: after the break, tell you what's coming up with the
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: owner's meetings and with the Jaguars next week. Dogs fans,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: time to lock in your seats for twenty twenty six.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: You can place your deposits now.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Next season here at ever Bank Stadium gonna be limited
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: capacity due to that renovation, so you don't want to
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: miss out on your chance to see some of the
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: best matchups of the season. Those are the games that
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: are going to be at the stadium here next year.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: So check out Jaguars dot com slash tickets can call
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: in as well, I if want to get that locked down.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: There is new things.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Every time I drive by, there's something going on. The
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: new concourse is out there. It's very nice, so I'm
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: excited to see what progresses as this all ways along.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: But I come over the Matthews Bridge on a daily basis,
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: and I the other day came over the Hartbridge just
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: to get a different view of it.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: And it's they are.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Working around the stadium at all times and there's I
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: counted ten cranes, probably six of them are inside there.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: It's fascinating stuff to see.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: So as we look forward to next week, not a
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: ton going on around here, but owners meetings are gonna
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: be taking place in Arizona this year. As mentioned, they're
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: going to be voting about where the Jaguars will play
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: their games season. After this, we're hearing Orlando or Gainsville.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: A lot of commotion about Orlando, so hopefully by this
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: time next week we'll kind of know what's going on.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's always a big news event. William Cone will
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: speak to the media media at the breakfast on Monday,
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: so that's always a fun thing for Jaguars fans to see.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And some new faces in the coaches photo because I
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: think about what eleven new head coaches are different locations
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: for some of the head coaches, so we'll get some
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: new faces in the photo as well. Hopefully Liam Cone
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't get in a fight with it's all I'm the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: head coach.
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: I think they'll be fine in the off season fair enough.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll have some news for you guys next week.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: We'll be back here on jag xam on Tuesday and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: bringing the lays details the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: H