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Chuck & Buck 1-29 Hour 4: Only 10 more sleeps til Super Bowl! Mike Sando and one last thing! · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Nine o'clock hour here on this Thursday. Mike Sando coming
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  Speaker 1: your way in nine to thirty. Certainly the ideal guest
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, he pretty much is the Hall of
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  Speaker 1: decisions regarding the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 3: today to talk about Hall of Fame stuff. And I said, hey, buddy,
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  Speaker 3: nine thirty every Tuesday, the thing is this.
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  Speaker 2: So be listening for.
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  Speaker 1: That Super Bowl sixty just ten days away as we
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  Speaker 1: get ready over the course of the next week and
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  Speaker 1: a half for the big event as the Seahawks will
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  Speaker 1: be taken on the New England Patriots live from Santa Clara, California,
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  Speaker 1: and we will of course be down there as a
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  Speaker 1: group next week for complete coverage for you that will
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  Speaker 1: deliver back here to Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: This is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Before I would get into the topic that we were
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  Speaker 1: going to discuss here, the Bill Barnwell, who writes for ESPN,
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  Speaker 1: he just ranked the best head coaching hirings in the
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  Speaker 1: n Felson's twenty twenty one. He put Dan Campbell number one.
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  Speaker 1: He put Nick Sirianni number two, and then he put
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  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald and.
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  Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel three and four.
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  Speaker 1: I think, whoever wins this Super Bowl or gets gets
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  Speaker 1: to number one, I mean, because you've wanted to. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the only reason Sirianni is ahead of them is because
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  Speaker 1: he won a Super Bowl. But I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: anybody has had the success Sirianni has had while walking
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  Speaker 1: the you know, tight you know, tight rope of just
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  Speaker 1: a complete poop show that he's been operating up there
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  Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. He's been on the verge of being fired.
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  Speaker 1: Players hate each other. You know, You've got this incredibly
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  Speaker 1: talented roster. But Sirianni separates himself because he did win
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  Speaker 1: a super Bowl. But if Mike McDonald or Mike Vrabel
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  Speaker 1: get to the end of this weekend, I would think
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  Speaker 1: either one of them, even though Vrabel's only been on
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  Speaker 1: the job there for one year, would jump Sirianni. And
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  Speaker 1: I gotta believe you got to jump Dan Campbell as well,
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  Speaker 1: because as phenomenal as he's done and turning around the
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  Speaker 1: culture of Detroit. And I hope Dan Campbell sometimes gets
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  Speaker 1: up forever job for the Detroit Lions. I just like
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  Speaker 1: him there. Man, he's starting to slip a little. They're
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  Speaker 1: getting further and further from the super Bowl where Mike
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  Speaker 1: McDonald and Mike Rabel will have captured it in no
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  Speaker 1: time flat.
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  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, well, I mean I would be willing to
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  Speaker 4: bet that they they probably jump up a notch of
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  Speaker 4: whoever wins this super Bowl. And rightfully so, Dan Campbell's
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  Speaker 4: done some I mean it's done really well. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: this year they slipped back into not making the playoffs,
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  Speaker 4: and and yet the last couple of years they've been
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  Speaker 4: one of the more formidable teams out there. So arguing
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  Speaker 4: it's some mantics, whichever one is, I think all those
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  Speaker 4: guys are great coaches. If you're a A Maybe Philadelphia
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  Speaker 4: fans don't feel that way, But then again, they don't
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  Speaker 4: seem like they have very often. I always kind of
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  Speaker 4: feel I mean, they didn't like Andy Reid. He's turned
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  Speaker 4: out to be okay.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Soyelphia, Yeah, maybe it's maybe, it's maybe, but I
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  Speaker 5: think you should be happy regardless if you're any of
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  Speaker 5: those four places, I think you should be pretty happy.
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  Speaker 4: I know that everybody around here is pretty happy with
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  Speaker 4: who we got.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, even though Ryan leafsent out of tweet saying he
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't vote for Mike Donald, he's lost ten games.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm kind of it makes sense, though, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: really think about it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll say this about the twenty twenty five slash twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six Seahawks. This is the first football season that
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  Speaker 1: I've been here. I've been here for ten of them. Now,
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  Speaker 1: where we just didn't have ongoing weekly discourse throughout the
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  Speaker 1: football season about how bad the offensive line is.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think that this.
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  Speaker 1: Offensive line should be mistaken for the better two best
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  Speaker 1: offensive lines in the National Football League. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that it has been elaked this year, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think Gray's Abel alone is the reason that it got
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  Speaker 1: turned around on draft day. But certainly it has not
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  Speaker 1: been a bad offensive line, and certainly it has not
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  Speaker 1: been as big a topic of conversation throughout the course
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  Speaker 1: of this season, and frankly, it comes as tremendous relief.
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  Speaker 2: I just love that it has.
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  Speaker 1: Not been because I really do believe that the past
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  Speaker 1: offensive lines for the Seahawks haven't been nearly as bad
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  Speaker 1: as what people think that they were. I think we
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  Speaker 1: had a quarterback holds onto the ball too long problem
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  Speaker 1: here in Seattle, even when Russell was in his prime,
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  Speaker 1: even when Russell was, you know, getting in VP consideration,
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  Speaker 1: he had an issue of holding onto the ball too long,
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  Speaker 1: and so did Gino Smith. And I think the correlation
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  Speaker 1: between Gino and Sam is even more stark because you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about two guys one year separated from one another
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  Speaker 1: operating this offense. And yes, Zabel has been added to
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  Speaker 1: this group, but four fifths of it is our guys
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  Speaker 1: that were on the roster just a year ago. So
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  Speaker 1: I do believe that the quarterback and the offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 1: have been the biggest reasons why the offensive line hasn't
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  Speaker 1: struggled as much as it has.
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  Speaker 2: In the past.
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  Speaker 1: But certainly the addition of Zabel has been outstanding. This
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  Speaker 1: step forward from Sundell has been really good, and I
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  Speaker 1: do believe that it's not a bad offensive line. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure how many offensive lines we've had in
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  Speaker 1: the in the last ten years that I would put
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  Speaker 1: as your back you're terrible, and that seemed to be
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  Speaker 1: the narrative for the last decade.
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  Speaker 4: That's typical, right, It seems like that's kind of the
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  Speaker 4: nature of a lot of things, is just for people
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  Speaker 4: to overdo what I mean, you might be right or
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  Speaker 4: on the right track, of boy, that offensive line needs
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  Speaker 4: to get a little bit better.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it was good, but I just don't
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  Speaker 1: think that it was as horrendous as people thought it's
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  Speaker 1: been the last ten years.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there's no way fans or butts that Russell Wilson
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  Speaker 4: his last year, for sure, maybe his last two years,
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  Speaker 4: was starting to go starting to lose a step and
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  Speaker 4: yet still wanted to play like he's super elusive and
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  Speaker 4: I can run backwards twenty yards and that's not the
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  Speaker 4: offensive line's fault. I mean they can't. You can't expect
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  Speaker 4: him to. Hey, I need you to protect basically just
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  Speaker 4: everything behind the line of scrimmage. Well, what about just
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  Speaker 4: protecting the pocket. No, we don't really do that. We
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  Speaker 4: need you to protect basically everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: You need a.
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  Speaker 1: Position your body so you can protect the pocket and
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  Speaker 1: the entire outer hack.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, just if you can protect sideline to sideline from
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  Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage back to the other end zone,
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  Speaker 4: the back of the end zone, that'd be great. And
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  Speaker 4: then Gino wasn't a whole heck of a lot better.
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  Speaker 4: He was somewhat better.
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  Speaker 2: He was a little better.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't try to make super duper plays all the time.
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  Speaker 4: But he's still at times held onto the ball too long. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: I mean Hugh broke it down and told say, you
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  Speaker 4: just got to dirt that one. You get rid of
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  Speaker 4: that one and live to fight another day. And Sam Darnold,
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  Speaker 4: as much as some people need a scarlet d he's
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  Speaker 4: done a pretty good job of not sitting back there
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  Speaker 4: now he's held onto it too long a couple of times,
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  Speaker 4: not felt the pressure and turned it into a fumble.
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  Speaker 4: But he hadn't tried to make crazy spectacular plays like
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  Speaker 4: giving up on the pass play too soon because I
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  Speaker 4: want to do something spectacular with my legs. I think
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  Speaker 4: he's done a much better job of being a pocket
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  Speaker 4: quarterback for that. I think a huge part of it
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  Speaker 4: does go to the offensive coordinator. I think Clint Kubiak.
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  Speaker 4: While they haven't been great at running the ball statistically,
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  Speaker 4: they've stuck with it from game one to game you know,
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  Speaker 4: seventeen of the season and then and now beyond, they
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  Speaker 4: get to it and it does lead down. We've talked about, man,
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  Speaker 4: why not more play action pass that they seem to work.
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  Speaker 4: That seems to work when they do it well. The
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  Speaker 4: only reason play action pass works is if they actually
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  Speaker 4: believe you're gonna hand it off.
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  Speaker 2: He will say, no, it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, Well we remember that, Greg. I remember Greg
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  Speaker 4: bringing up a play. I think it was a fourth
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  Speaker 4: down couple years ago when Gina was a quarterback and
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  Speaker 4: they tried a play action pass and the linebacker the
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  Speaker 4: edge didn't even think about that they were going to
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  Speaker 4: hand it off. It was when what's his name from
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  Speaker 4: you dub the offensive coordinator that yeah Ryan, when he
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  Speaker 4: was yeah so a couple years ago, it was it
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  Speaker 4: was when he was the guy, and it was like
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  Speaker 4: they weren't committing to running the ball, and so the
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  Speaker 4: defense didn't honor the play action part of the of
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  Speaker 4: the pass or the running part of the play action pass.
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  Speaker 4: So I do think that it's a cumulative effect. And
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  Speaker 4: yet they are definitely playing well enough right now to
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  Speaker 4: where they can play complimentary football and run it and
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  Speaker 4: pass it and if they need to they need, they
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  Speaker 4: can score a bunch of points. Most of the time
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  Speaker 4: they don't need to.
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  Speaker 1: And there seemed to be certainly more moments with Gino
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  Speaker 1: and certainly with Russell where you're like, he didn't have
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  Speaker 1: a chance on that play. Seemed to and I'm just
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  Speaker 1: making this up. I don't have statistical information to verify this,
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  Speaker 1: but it did seem like they had more of those, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't have a chance on that play. But it's
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  Speaker 1: not like Sam's been without those plays. I mean, hell,
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  Speaker 1: he had two of them in big moments. Braden fist
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  Speaker 1: broke through, Keinchin's broke through.
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  Speaker 2: And Sam didn't have a chance. He's had more than
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  Speaker 2: you think.
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  Speaker 1: But because the perception is that we've added to the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line and the offensive and you're having success, that
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  Speaker 1: suddenly you know that that you don't think about those
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  Speaker 1: things as much when the truth of the matter is, yes,
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  Speaker 1: grays Abel has been a tremendous addition to this. Sundell
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  Speaker 1: has improved. Clint Kubiak though, and Sam Donald, I think,
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  Speaker 1: are the main contributors to it not looking like we
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  Speaker 1: have a bad offensive line. And so I'm just relieved
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  Speaker 1: that it hasn't been as big a part of our conversation.
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  Speaker 1: It's about damn time, because it's been ten straight years,
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  Speaker 1: every single week that we've discussed this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's annoying to have to talk about the
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  Speaker 3: same thing over and over and over. And I think
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  Speaker 3: you even look at what Sam Donald was able to
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  Speaker 3: accomplish in Minnesota with that line that everyone did say
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  Speaker 3: was bad.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it started out good and then by the end
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  Speaker 1: of the year everybody got hurt and they were terrible.
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  Speaker 3: They were terrible, and he I mean, obviously last two
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  Speaker 3: games aside, but he's still maintained doing a good job.
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  Speaker 3: So I do think a lot of credit has to
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  Speaker 3: go to Darnold.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was another argument at the beginning of the
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  Speaker 1: year with Sam where it was like, well, how's he
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  Speaker 1: going to look without a without skill great skill players
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  Speaker 1: and without a great line. Number one, he still has
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  Speaker 1: really good skill players. And number two, that was not
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  Speaker 1: a good line he played behind. Now with a Minnesota
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  Speaker 1: VIKA by the end of the year, the second half
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  Speaker 1: of the season, they were dreadful as a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: And so no, that's not a factor either. But Gray's
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  Speaker 1: Abel certainly has been a factor the effort toward the
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  Speaker 1: offensive line. Everybody on draft day, I know, especially those
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  Speaker 1: that sought more offensive line focus from John schneider Man,
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  Speaker 1: they got their wish when Zabel went tenth overall in
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  Speaker 1: the draft, and then you still ended up with Emon
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  Speaker 1: Worri excuse me, eighteenth, and you still ended up with
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  Speaker 1: Emon Worri in the second round at number thirty five.
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  Speaker 1: But forty percent of our offensive line here for the
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  Speaker 1: Seahawks is out of the College of North Dakota State University.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier in the show, we chatted with a guy by
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  Speaker 1: the name of Dan Larson, who is the offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 1: there at North Dakota State. But from twenty twenty through
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, he was the offensive line coach. In
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  Speaker 1: other words, he was the offensive line coach for both
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  Speaker 1: Gray's abel and Jalen Sundell's development. And we asked Coach
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  Speaker 1: Larson when he knew in coaching these two guys that
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  Speaker 1: they had a future of playing on Sundays, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Probably just the beauty of North Dakota State. We never
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  Speaker 6: think the guys are good enough to do anything, so
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  Speaker 6: we just keep pushing them to a standard that we
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  Speaker 6: believe is just you know, can you just keep getting
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  Speaker 6: a little better and continue to improve. But I think
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  Speaker 6: what I saw, you know, when you saw Grave really
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  Speaker 6: start going through this draft process a little bit, and
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  Speaker 6: you know, the way that people are talking about some
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  Speaker 6: of the interview processes, I think you just start hearing
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  Speaker 6: a little bit of what they're looking for. And when
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  Speaker 6: I was fortunate to fi able to go down and
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  Speaker 6: watch them in the Senior Bowl week, I think that's
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  Speaker 6: when it really like kind of even dawned on me
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  Speaker 6: from a standpoint of like, man, this this guy's in
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  Speaker 6: the NFL, Like he can do it at a really
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  Speaker 6: high level. And I think it was just competitiveness. The
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  Speaker 6: fact that he jumped in there. He's still playing the
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  Speaker 6: same way played the NDSU with the smile on a
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  Speaker 6: space when when I watched Jalen run from a center standpoint,
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  Speaker 6: and then you kind of start watching even some of
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  Speaker 6: the other guys at the FBS level and even some
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  Speaker 6: of the guys in the NFL level, I thought, you know,
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  Speaker 6: his athleticism from the center position, I did think was
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  Speaker 6: going to allow him a chance to play. And again,
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  Speaker 6: we probably don't ever share We don't ever share those
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  Speaker 6: things with the players. We probably just tell them, you know, like, hey,
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  Speaker 6: you got to do it a little bit better if
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  Speaker 6: you if you want to play at the next level.
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  Speaker 6: But there were two really special athletes and just really
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  Speaker 6: different positions, but you could there were some things that
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  Speaker 6: kind of stand out to you. They're like, holy smokes,
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  Speaker 6: these guys got a chance.
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  Speaker 2: That's Dan Larson.
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  Speaker 1: If you want to hear the entire conversation, you can
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  Speaker 1: do so on our podcast ninety three to three r
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  Speaker 1: dot com. But it's nice to kind of go back
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  Speaker 1: to those humble beginnings for those two young men. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: big ten teams, SEC teams weren't necessarily knocking on the door.
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  Speaker 1: That is a phenomenal program up there at North Dakota State.
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  Speaker 1: They don't always crank out a lot of NFL talent,
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  Speaker 1: but they've cranked a lot out a lot more recently.
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  Speaker 1: Then they have a lot more than what you realize.
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  Speaker 1: And for that guy to be on the ground floor
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  Speaker 1: of developing those two players and then see them side
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  Speaker 1: by side all season long, and now next Sunday gets
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  Speaker 1: to watch them play side by side in the super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl with all those crazy North of cootains. What a
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  Speaker 1: great accomplishment for Larson and what a great testament to
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  Speaker 1: their program and to those two young men.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we heard not long ago. I think
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  Speaker 4: we were having a conversation about nil and college and
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  Speaker 4: then you'd heard that greys Abel. Maybe it was during
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  Speaker 4: the draft, but greys Abel could have went somewhere like
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  Speaker 4: he had pushed, He had played himself into being recognized
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  Speaker 4: even from the small school that he was at, that
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  Speaker 4: he was going to be in an NFL prospect and
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  Speaker 4: probably could have went somewhere else, and instead's like, no,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to stay where I started. I'm gonna stay
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  Speaker 4: with the people that believe to me, when none of
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  Speaker 4: those big schools did. Now they want to come. Oh hey,
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  Speaker 4: this guy's pretty good. They turned that guy that we
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  Speaker 4: thought was crap into something that was pretty good. Let's
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  Speaker 4: go get him and see if he wants to come
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  Speaker 4: play play for our big program. I love the fact
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  Speaker 4: that he said no. I think offensive linemen, especially interior
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  Speaker 4: offensive linemen, might be the perfect ones that you want
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  Speaker 4: to have a little bit of a small school, small
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  Speaker 4: town overlooked me. If you want, oh, my arms aren't
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  Speaker 4: long enough, Okay, well just bring it me. Let's see
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  Speaker 4: if you can get by me that type of meanness
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  Speaker 4: and nastiness. And yeah, so I think for you know,
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  Speaker 4: if you're a coach of a small program, you know
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  Speaker 4: that part of your motivational speech on day one is
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: a lot of people think we're not any good. You
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  Speaker 4: guys are castaways or afterthoughts when it comes to college
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  Speaker 4: football players. But we're gonna go ahead and just let
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  Speaker 4: you know we're gonna We're here to win whatever conference
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  Speaker 4: we play in. And if you do well here, you
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  Speaker 4: can go to the NFL. Now of a sudden, anybody
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  Speaker 4: that's thinking about going to North Dakota State gets to
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  Speaker 4: watch two guys playing side by side in the Super
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: Bowl in a couple of weeks.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I like the idea of having an
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman where who's there almost always asked, well, what
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: did you do with your first signing bonus? And that's
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: almost always like I bought a new car, I bought
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: a house for mom. I kind of like my offensive
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: lineman's answer to be I bought a tractor, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: About a new crop field.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Got a tractor and some feed Yeah yeah, oh I
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: bought yeah, yeah, I gotta feed the animal.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at the range to take care of sounds like
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: a lineman to me right there. Yeah, I like a
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: guy that's business card, says farmer slash NFL guard. I
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: would like that, all right, Mike Sando said, Next, we'll
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: talk about vote Gate on Sports Radio ninety three point
• 17:00
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• 17:02
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• 17:06
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• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Here's Chuck and Butter. All right, it's time to chat
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: with Mike Sando.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: He is our NFL insider from the Athletic joins us
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: every Thursday at this time, and boy, what a good
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: time to have Mike Sando on because of vote Gate.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: You do know, Mike that every time Bill Belichick's involved
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: with something, it has to be gate at the end
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Spy does gate gate, spy ballgate, deflate.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Gate, hallgate, you know, too young of a girlfriend gate.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Everything's got to be given a gate, Mike. When it
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: comes to Belichick, it's Belichick, it does.
• 17:47
  Speaker 7: Everybody should have a gate, as in a walk right
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: into the Hall of Fame. Let's just get that straight true.
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: The fact that he doesn't is the product of two things.
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: I mean, one is the some of the voters, not me,
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: but some of the voters are very concerned with finalists
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: and who've been waiting a long time. And so instead
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: of looking at the class and just saying, hey, Belichick's
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: the best, he goes in. When forced to choose between
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: Belichick and in this case, some senior players that may
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: never get a chance to be in the room again,
• 18:23
  Speaker 7: they prioritize some of those guys who they know don't
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: have the same resume as Belichick. And so that's why,
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: especially now that the NFL has or the Hall of
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: Fame has last year, made it harder to get in
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: for everybody that combination has created this, I think embarrassing situation.
• 18:42
  Speaker 7: Not everybody does. Some people do have issues with the
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: spygate and those sorts of things, and some people have
• 18:47
  Speaker 7: issues with the fact that, you know, they just now
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: magically change the rules so coaches don't have to wait
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: five years like everyone else, they just wait one, and
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: so there's I think there's some annoyance with some of
• 18:57
  Speaker 7: those things. But for me, it's just real simple. I
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: just picked the best guys every year, and if somebody
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: is waiting a long time, that's just the way it goes,
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: you know. So for me, somebody like Luke Keigley last
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: year would have gone in, not necessarily over, he would
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: have gone in over Eric Allen, who went in. Eric
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: had been waiting nineteen years and I think that helped
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: him get in, even though Luke Keighley is better, in
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: my opinion, more of a dynamic player. So that's really
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: what needs to be resolved, and I think there will
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: be a structural change in the voting to take the
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: coaches and maybe even the contributors away from competing with
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: the seniors. Now that it's clear there's a lot of
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: people voting for these seniors, just more on principle of
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: not letting them disappear forever, then because they think they're
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: better than somebody who didn't get in, in this case,
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: maybe the greatest coach in the history of the NFL,
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: certainly a top five in Bill Belichick. Having to wait
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: is shining light on this in a big way.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Sand I mean, you use the word embarrassing, and I
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: would agree with you on that. And yet the way
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: that it's set up, you don't really have much of
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: a choice. You just either vote, you vote however you
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: are going to vote. If you only have three votes
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: and you spread them out, you say you just give
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: them to the best, And other people are like, ah,
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: but this person might not ever get a chance, and
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: I think they're probably deserving. In Belichick, he'll get in
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: for sure. So it is the embarrassment that goes along
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: with this enough that they're going to change the process
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: because to me, the idea of you only have a
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: certain amount of votes and yet and so you're essentially
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: and by voting for Belichick you're taking it away from
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: someone else. Some people would look at it as that
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: is that enough to is this embarrassment or this like,
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: what in the hell hell does that guy not get
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: in there.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Are they going to change it?
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: I think they are, and I haven't talked to anyone
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: at the Hall, but I felt this last year. When
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: Holmgren missed, I was shocked. Okay, last year was the
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: first time they had it to where the coach, the contributor,
• 20:53
  Speaker 7: and the three seniors compete against each other. So I
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: presented the case for Mike Holmgren to the room first,
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: to the sub committee, I'm coaches them to the whole panel,
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: and it like went over really well, there's there's everyone
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: thinks Holmgren is a Hall of Famer. And then when
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: it came out and he and he missed, I was mystified.
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: I really couldn't figure it out. People were calling me
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: like what happened? I couldn't believe it, And I've been
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: spent the last year trying to figure it out. And
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: my initial conclusion was, well, this math is difficult. But
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: then I think I've seen now because if you read
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: in the Kansas City Star, the voter in the Hall
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: of Fame Vaja Gregorian, who is on the Committee rights
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: for the Kansas City Star. He did a big column
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: talking about how he voted just for the three seniors,
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: even though he thinks, even though he thinks Belichick's better that.
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: Then the light bulb went off in my head. That's
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: what happened to Holmgren. And so last year, only one
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: of the five made it in because because here's how
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: it works, you have these five guys, like you know,
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: last year it was Holmgren, a contributor, and three seniors.
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: So the top vote to getter gets in, and then
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: up to two more can get in if forty of
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: the fifty vote for him. But if there's fifty voters
• 22:06
  Speaker 7: and you have to pick three, there's only one hundred
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: and fifty votes to go around. So let's just say Sharp.
• 22:11
  Speaker 7: Last year, Sterling Sharp made it in. He was a
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: senior player. Let's say he gets forty eight votes. Now
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: you only have one hundred and two left for everyone else. Well,
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: Holmgren would normally get more than forty. But what if
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: there's some people that were, like those other two seniors,
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: they just want to get him through because they feel
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: like that's their only chance. Because those seniors last year,
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: Maxie Bond and forgive me the three seniors, none of
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: them made it back this year. Okay, none of them
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: made it back they're just gone. And so I think
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: there's people in that room. I know there is because
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: Vaje wrote about it who were like, this is our
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: only chance at Roger Craig, or Ken Anderson or Elsie Greenwood.
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: We got to vote him. And they're saying the process,
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: the set up is flawed to pit him against Home
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: or against Belichick. Yeah, but that's the choice they made,
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: and so they could be right in the process is flawed.
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: But to me, that's two wrongs don't make a right.
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: Don't you agree?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I do agree.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if I'm voting for it, I'm voting for the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: three best on the ballot. That's the whole point of
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it all. But but but why are they even on
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the same level? Why why do they have match Why
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: can't we just have all of those veterans. And then
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: it's just that that are on it for the last
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: time and they got one last chance, like yes or
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: no eighty percent? Uh and put Belichick in coaches and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: contributors on a completely here.
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: Here's why vote here, here's why. It's kind of like this.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: My wife used always asked me to laugh at the
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: NFL when I was covering it. She'd be like, uh
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: covering it on the beat. You know, she'd be like,
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: how did they come up with this franchise tag rule? Wait,
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: you get no if we get to match your contract offer.
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: But if we don't, then we get two first round picks.
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: And she's picturing a bunch of boys sitting in a
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: room coming up with this stupid stuff, right, Like, the
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: reason these things happen is because no one ever starts fresh.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: You're always reacting a little bit to something. It's almost
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: like adding to the rule book in football, right, if
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: you go back fifty years, the rule books thirty pages.
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: Now it's one hundred and thirty pages, because they keep
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: adding things, trying to improve it. And so I think
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: that's what happens here. They don't just start over. They
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: see a problem and they try to adjust for it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: So in twenty twenty, the Hall of Fame put in
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: the centennial class of twenty people, tons of people, dean
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: standers started complaining, we're putting in too many of these guys.
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: These guys aren't like me, they're not the game changers.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: So then what do they do? They tweak the rules
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: to make it a little harder to get in. Where
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: you're now voting it with these zero sum voting against
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: each other, that'll make it more exclusive. But the unintended
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: consequences some of the voters are like, well, we're not
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: going to vote that way.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Sorry, So now there.
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: Has to be a correction off of that, And in
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: the meantime, the credibility of the process comes into question,
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: especially about people who don't understand it. That's why I've
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: been at least trying to explain it. I'm not saying
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: I think it's right, but I can I know how
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: it happened.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean no doubt about it that there's a
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: reason why it happened. Is there any chance that this
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: doesn't get fixed before tom Brady has to hit this?
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: Tom Brady's going right in. Tom Brady's going right in,
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: like like this year. Now, let's see, So this year'll
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: be a good test because Drew Brees and Larry fitzgeralg
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: are on that ballot. Okay, And I don't know who
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: made it. I don't know who is gonna make it.
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: I don't know how many. I don't know who they are.
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: But if for some reason, like if Drew Brees didn't
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: make it, I mean they're going to they may close
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: the Hall of Fame, you know, I might resign from
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: the thing at that point. I mean, but that would
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: tell you there's even a bigger problem, right, because there's
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: other people that are on that ballot. Willie Anderson eighteen
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: years waiting or eighteen times a finals or whatever. It
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: is a really good tackle for the Bengals. If he
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: gets prioritized over someone who's better and rises to the
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: level of a breeze, which I don't think it will,
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: then all hell's going to break loose. I think last year, though,
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: we got our answer a little bit because Eric Allen
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: made it in his nineteenth chance and Luke Keighley didn't.
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: Luke Keigley to me, is more elite. I would vote
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: for him. Yeah, But those guys who are looking at
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: this process going, wait a minute, Eric Allen's going to
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: be lost forever. He's going to go in the Senior Committee.
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: They're prioritizing him. And that's why at the end of
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: the voting, I'm like, how did this happen? That's how
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: it happened. We got to change that, in my opinion.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, can we just does change how long it does
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: drag out? I mean, I personally think that somebody that
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: is accomplished as just being a Hall of Fame candidate
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: should not have this affect their happiness and their health,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and yet Mike, it does.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, Drew.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Pearson was on the last ballot, was in tears, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I think the only reason he got into the Hall
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: of Fame is because he cried publicly the year before
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: about what it's done to him and his personal health.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Is there a way that we can just stop torturing
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: these former Hall of Fame.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: Well, they've they've made it a little bit better if
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: you go back to remember when when when David Baker
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: ran the Hall of Fame. He was that huge guy,
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: you know, who was like a real leaguemmissioner. Before'd always
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: see that guy and like, who is that guy?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Was Chris Burman's brother.
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: It was like Chris Berman's giant. You know, if Chris
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: Berman was paired with the jolly green giant, you'd have
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: a big, old guy. And he was kind of a showman.
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: And remember he's the one who started the knock on
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: the door thing. Okay, I remember the knock on the door.
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: But when they first did that, they had all fifteen
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: of those guys sitting in their rooms at the hotel
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: not knowing, and they would go knock like the day before,
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: and then if you didn't make it, you'd go home
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: crying with your family because you didn't make it. The
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: door would never be knocked on. That's how it was.
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: I mean, can you imagine torture. Yeah, so you know
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: now what they do is they're going to do those
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: knocks on the doors. They're going to film them, but
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: they're going to tell the finalists what are they made
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: it or not, like I believe late last week. So
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: that's how this came out. Right, Belichick got told this
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: and then you know, I don't know if Beeltic's got
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: a girlfriend or something, but if he does, maybe she
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: finds out, you know, maybe other people find out, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: pretty soon it gets around and that's how it got out.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Mike Sander is with us here on the program. I
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: think I should mention this as well.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: There was a statement released by the NFL yesterday, and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I think everybody just kind of glanced over it and thought, oh,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: finally they're going to address this immediately changes to the
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. But that's not what that release was about.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: It was about people not sharing information about what they
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: did in that private vote, was it not?
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: Absolutely so ESPN Seth Wickershan Don Van Nantta. They're kind
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: of investigative for porters for ESPN, and they broke the story. Now,
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: I think their source would be somebody who's in Belichick's circle, right,
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: they would get it. They had four sources in Belichick self,
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: could have been could have confirmed it.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but.
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: A Hall of Fame selector wouldn't know that, Like a
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: voter like me wouldn't know who got in. But somebody
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: they quoted somebody, I don't know how many, but they
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: quoted someone who's on the panel saying, Hey, Bill Pullian
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: who's a voter, was saying this, or this guy was
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: saying that that's a strict no no. So they tell
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: us that all the time. It's just a given, Like
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: I'll discuss my own thinking, I'll discuss general thoughts on
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: you know, what could be a pro or con for
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: a candidate. But I would never say, and I would
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: never say privately to anybody, hey, actually, you know, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't want someone else going, Hey, actually, Sando's a
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: big advocate for this guy, and he's raised this issue. Right,
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: we can't have that because you got to feel like
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: you can go in that room and say whatever you
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: want and have it be an open thing and not
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: have it be taken out of context or use against
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: you in some way. Because we all raise questions in there, right,
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's doing your job. We don't just rubber
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: stamp these guys. We say, hey, what about what about spygates?
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: Should that factor in? If you have an issue with that,
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: bring it up, Or hey, this guy's career was shorter.
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: You know, is that a deal breaker for you? Let
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: us know if it is, because we want to address that, right,
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: We want to talk about it. We don't want to
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: be surprised in the end when somebody doesn't make it
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: and there was some big thing that never got addressed.
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: So we hash all this stuff out and sometimes there's debates,
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: and sometimes there's eye rolling, and sometimes the voices get raised,
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: and you know, it's exactly if we were doing it,
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: if we were doing this in a room ourselves, we'd
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: get into it, right, And that's just part of the process,
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: and that has to stay in there. And some of
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: it didn't, and I don't even think what got out
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: was sort of accurate. All of it you know, it's
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: just one person's recollection of something, and I don't think
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: it captured it.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Fifteen second answer, will there be changes between now and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: next year?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Do you think? Yes? Okay?
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: One word answer. That worked too. I think the.
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: Coach and or the contribut it will be separated from
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: the seniors.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Good for the.
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: Health of all of them. Okay, good, good, And once
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: that happens, Belichick will go in home. We're gonna go
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: in and we'll have some.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Logic. In my opinion, logic is good. I like logic.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll talk about the super Bowl with
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: you next week. We'll be down there, so hopefully I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: mean at the sad Yeah, that'd be great, but hopefully
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: we can work that out. I know it's going to
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: be busy, and apparently the super Bowl is going to
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: be held in like three different locations.
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: Also, you know, on some of those days, like you
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: go to the team access, so it kind of depends
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: on when, like I might be at the Seahawks, you know,
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: a hotel or something. I don't know when their sessions
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: or do you know if there are there are there
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  Speaker 7: sessions in the afternoon of the morning. I do not know,
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  Speaker 7: I'll figure all that out. We'll figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Mike, Well, we'll see you one way
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  Speaker 2: or the other next week, look.
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  Speaker 7: Forward to It's gonna be so much fun. It is
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  Speaker 7: so fun for the city, Isn't it just great for everybody?
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  Speaker 7: So I'll see you guys there.
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  Speaker 6: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Mike Sando, our NFL insider, joining us right here on
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  Speaker 2: Our final segment here on this Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: Let's wrap it up with one last thing, Bucky, what
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  Speaker 1: do you got Well?
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  Speaker 4: I just wanted to say, you know, we get text
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  Speaker 4: messages a lot and a lot of times. You know,
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  Speaker 4: there's some negative ones. There's plenty of good ones too,
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  Speaker 4: but I just wanted to highlight whoever from the four
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  Speaker 4: two five that just decided to send this. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: sure if it's to you, Chuck, or to me or
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  Speaker 4: to Ashley, but I love you, honey, oh tomorrow, I
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  Speaker 4: love Dad.
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  Speaker 2: Probably.
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  Speaker 4: I did respond and said I love you too, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and then told him it was me, okay, and he
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  Speaker 4: laughed and said, oops, oh my god, o MG.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was my dad sending me a message
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  Speaker 3: from beyond, and I was like, Dad, this is not
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  Speaker 3: the place.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it might be, but this guy replied back, saying
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  Speaker 4: he's from Everett, my dad from that ever. Heaven's not NEVERTT.
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  Speaker 2: I would disagree as game.
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  Speaker 3: I have it is fun. I would actually agree with
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  Speaker 3: Bucky though Heaven is not an ever. ITT might be
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  Speaker 3: close to it.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think so. I don't think. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: he is anywhere up and down the.
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  Speaker 3: I five corridor sound effort lines the it sound there.
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  Speaker 2: Heaven isn't too far away, and Everett isn't too far away,
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  Speaker 2: that's right. And Heaven is a place on Earth like a.
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  Speaker 1: Wild ranger once said, Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead, jump
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  Speaker 1: to my one last thing, because I thought Bucky was
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  Speaker 1: going to use this. You've heard this happen before. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever heard a double one. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So Bucky was singing a Stevie Nicks song because I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure it's being played out there and sports pit. Uh
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  Speaker 1: and he goes, uh, you're a Wild Ranger And I go,
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  Speaker 1: what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 2: And he goes, you know, like the song just like
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  Speaker 2: the Wild Ranger.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's like the Wild Ranger.
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  Speaker 1: Just like the Wild And I go so, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, mister music snob, I'm like, no, that's just
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  Speaker 1: like the world we know and he goes he goes, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's what they say.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like yes. So then I type in to get
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  Speaker 2: the lyrics.
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  Speaker 3: That's not what it is either that White Wing Dove, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: thank you, kazy okay, a little classic rock on the weekends.
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  Speaker 1: For me, I thought my entire life that that was
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  Speaker 1: just like the world we know. And so I type
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  Speaker 1: it in and it turns out the first thing that
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  Speaker 1: comes up, I'm not the only one. First thing that
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  Speaker 1: comes up is white Wing Dove.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's funny because then she yes sings a song
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  Speaker 3: sounds like she's singing baby yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I always thought it was just like the world people
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  Speaker 1: Wild Rangers say, ooh too.
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  Speaker 2: I would have I wished that would have been.
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  Speaker 3: Recording that whole conversation between the two of you, because
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  Speaker 3: I would have really liked it.
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  Speaker 4: Well then so then he looks it up, finds out
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  Speaker 4: that what he had thought for his whole life wasn't
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  Speaker 4: true either, that it is white Wing Dove, and I'm like, well,
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: I don't type in there, so I just give a
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  Speaker 4: Google just like the Wild Ranger lyrics and the White
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  Speaker 4: Wing Dove song.
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  Speaker 2: They just know.
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  Speaker 4: So there's either our computers are listening to us.
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  Speaker 3: Or it's if you just type in just like and
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  Speaker 3: then anything with a W it's like, oh god, these
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  Speaker 3: people don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's I didn't know that that was fell in
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  Speaker 1: the category of the songs that a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: have had wrong forever. Yet it does.
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  Speaker 2: It does.
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  Speaker 3: I wouldn't have known that either.
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  Speaker 1: Fifty four years old, I thought that my entire life
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  Speaker 1: was just like the world.
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  Speaker 4: We know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm bad at lyrics, and I have actually never thought
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  Speaker 3: it was anything other than White Wing Dove.
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  Speaker 2: And the name of the song is not even white
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  Speaker 2: wing Dove. Yeah, what is it? Edge of seventeen?
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  Speaker 3: Edge of seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, I just speak more clearly, Stevie.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think Hugh he meant it to be called
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  Speaker 4: that when he wrote that song. I think Hugh he
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  Speaker 4: meant it to be called white wing Dove. And then
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  Speaker 4: she changed wild Ranger.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, marble mouth, just spit it out, Jay, rock and
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  Speaker 1: roll legend, my ass, white winged Dove speaking of Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Fame lyrics are dumb enunciate, Stevie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually, do you have a one last thing I do?
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: It was a video going around it was making a
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: lot of people mad yesterday from Pardon My Take, where
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: the caption was, if you take the good teams off
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks schedule, they actually haven't played anyone good. Now,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: if you watch the video, it was very funny because
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: it's a Patriots fan who's trying to like make a
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: case for why the Patriots should win the Super Bowl,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: and everyone's mocking him. Yeah, if you just take the
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: good teams out, they haven't played anyone good. And so
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: then at the end of the video, if people weren't
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: so mad and made it all the way to the end,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: one of the guys is like, actually, I just looked
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  Speaker 3: it up, and the Seahawks have the fourth toughest strength
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: of schedule, and Big Cat, who is like the main guy,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: he goes you wouldn't take the good teams out when
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: you looked at the strength of schedule. The whole thing
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  Speaker 3: was hilarious and people were so up in arms. Well
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: you know, if you take the good teams out, it's like, yeah,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: it was a joke. It was just a joke. We
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: take everything so seriously these days. I wish people would
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: go back and look at it and recognize how funny
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  Speaker 3: it actually is.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: If you take the good teams out. They didn't play anyone.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, anyone good.
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  Speaker 2: It's the mess.
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  Speaker 3: I was laughing so hard. I watched it like three
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  Speaker 3: times because I didn't watch it because I saw everyone
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  Speaker 3: getting angry. So I just didn't watch it because I
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: was like, I'm not even gonna bother because I get
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: what these guys usually do, and it was very.
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  Speaker 2: Funny, very funny. Yeah, yeah, and true.
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  Speaker 3: It is true out they have not played anyone good.
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  Speaker 3: They're not lying.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't proven anything. Nope against the good teams.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't play that, right, Yeah, well, I mean you
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: take all the losses out of their season. They were
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: undefeated this year.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: See, well, if you take all the wins out, they.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Didn't beat anybody, got a single opponent.
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