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Tot-Boy, 1, DEAD OF FENTANYL OVERDOSE AT LICENSED DAYCARE! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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Speaker 2: I remember the first.
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Speaker 3: Time I took the twins to play school, as we
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Speaker 3: called it, because I couldn't bring myself to say daycare.
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Speaker 3: It was at a Lutheran church about half a mile
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Speaker 3: from our house, and I was so distraught. I would
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Speaker 3: sit in the parking lot and work in my car,
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Speaker 3: and occasionally would go up to the window and stare
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Speaker 3: in at the ladies taking care of the children.
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Speaker 2: Even when it would rain, I'd put a towel.
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Speaker 3: Over my head and look in at them so they
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Speaker 3: would know my eyes were on them. Luckily, it was
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Speaker 3: just two days a week, and they were there. Because
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Speaker 3: I was not only working two jobs, but trying to
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Speaker 3: finish your book.
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Speaker 2: I just couldn't do it all.
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Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about the mother and the father of
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Speaker 3: little Nikki, just one year old.
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Speaker 2: He's dead. He was taken to daycare. There were just
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Speaker 2: a few.
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Speaker 3: Thoughts in there so he would get practically undivided attention.
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Speaker 3: And now baby Niki Dominici is dead, wait for it,
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Speaker 3: because of an overdose a fentanel.
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Speaker 2: A baby goes to daycare so mom can work.
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Speaker 3: She didn't have the luxury of sitting in the car
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Speaker 3: in the mini van in the parking lot and looking
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Speaker 3: in whatever she felt like it. She'd have the luxury
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Speaker 3: of getting her children out after three hours like I did.
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Speaker 3: Her child had to be there all day so she
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Speaker 3: could work. And Oh, her baby is dead from a
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Speaker 3: fentanyl overdose, and what are we gonna do about it?
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 3: and series x SEM one eleven.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at CBS.
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Speaker 4: Children's drawings and baby's blankets are all that's left inside
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Speaker 4: Divino Nino Daycare. This is where four babies were exposed
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Speaker 4: to fentanyl. One year old Nicholas Dominici died and three
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Speaker 4: other babies were hospitalized.
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Speaker 5: That little piece, that little coin about the less tunic
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Speaker 5: size of a fingerael a tenth of a size of
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Speaker 5: a finginael can kill an adult, so imagine what it
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Speaker 5: could do to a child.
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Speaker 6: Police allege one year old Nicholas Dominicici died after exposure
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Speaker 6: to drugs at Divigno Nino Daycare. Three other children were
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Speaker 6: also exposed, according to the NYPD. Police were called to
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Speaker 6: the daycare Friday afternoon.
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Speaker 2: The children.
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Speaker 6: According to detectives were unresponsive.
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Speaker 3: The children, some of them lying face up on top
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Speaker 3: of each other, completely passed out an overdose of fentanyl
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Speaker 3: at a daycare. And let me add a license to
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Speaker 3: daycare that had just been qualified, searched, revalidated a few
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Speaker 3: days before by the city. You were hearing the voice
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Speaker 3: of the mayor, Eric Adams. Just then our friends at
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Speaker 3: CBS two and Fox five who joining me an all
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Speaker 3: star panel to make sense of what we know right now.
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Speaker 3: But first I'm going to go to not only a colleague,
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Speaker 3: but a friend, an esteemed toxicologist, chief medical examiner, Bay County, Michigan,
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Speaker 3: author of American Narcan, thelac'sun and Heroin fenttyl associated Mortality.
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Speaker 3: You can find him a Recovery PATHWAYLLC dot com.
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Speaker 2: And this is a guy who has devoted.
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Speaker 3: Himself not only to his family and his faith, but
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Speaker 3: to helping people get past a fentyl addiction. He put
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Speaker 3: his money where his mouth is and actually has created
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Speaker 3: a mobile unit treating opioid addicts.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what he's doing in his spare time. And
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Speaker 2: he literally wrote the book American Narcan.
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Speaker 3: So before I go to Dan Sarafin from News twelve,
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Speaker 3: Doctor William Roney.
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Speaker 2: Just explain to me what drug is.
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Speaker 3: So powerful that the amount of the tip of your fingernail,
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Speaker 3: a fingernail clipping, can kill you an adult, much less
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Speaker 3: a baby.
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Speaker 7: We know that Sentinel is a synthetic opioid, and it
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Speaker 7: was manufactured original for high potency pain management like hospice
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Speaker 7: and cancer and end of life. But the fentanyl now
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Speaker 7: is crossing our borders and coming in from other countries
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Speaker 7: and it's replaced heroin the substance use disorder pipelines. People
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Speaker 7: have been exposed to different drugs over time, and right
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Speaker 7: now fentanyl is the drug that is sweeping across America
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Speaker 7: since about twenty fifteen or sixteen, so it's about eight
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Speaker 7: years from New York to San Diego. From New York
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Speaker 7: to San Francisco, Heroin's gone and they replaced it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, what is fentanyl.
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Speaker 3: I know you're saying an oprooid, but you said a
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Speaker 3: synthetic opioid.
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Speaker 2: That means what it's made in.
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Speaker 3: A lab and not out in a poppy field. What
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Speaker 3: do you mean by synthetic opioid?
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Speaker 7: Yes, the traditional heroin that we've seen for one hundred
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Speaker 7: years is distilled and extracted from poppy plants. It's a
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Speaker 7: natural substance. It's morphine, it's codeine, it's heroin, but Sentinel
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Speaker 7: is one hundred percent synthesized. But it sits in the
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Speaker 7: same part of the brain that heroin does and other
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Speaker 7: pain management pills. It tells the brain to stop breathing
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Speaker 7: at doses that cause overdose. These overdoses result because when
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Speaker 7: the concentration in the brain gets high enough, it shuts
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Speaker 7: off the drive to breathe, and that's where everybody dies.
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Speaker 7: And that's where you need to administer narcan.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I know that you're a huge advocate of narcan.
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Speaker 3: I agree with you, but who would think you would
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Speaker 3: need narcan at a daycare? Joining me right now in
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Speaker 3: addition to doctor Willilliam Moroney, Dan Saraphin anchor reporter News
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Speaker 3: twelve joining us. You can find him at News twelve
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Speaker 3: dot com. Dan, I just can't believe it because I
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Speaker 3: keep every time I'm looking at baby Nikki right now,
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Speaker 3: and every time I look at him, I put my
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Speaker 3: son or my daughter's face on top of his cute
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Speaker 3: little body and I think about them. And they were
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Speaker 3: eighteen months old when I had to finish that book.
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Speaker 2: I had a deadline and I had to have help.
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Speaker 3: I couldn't finish it and work the other two jobs,
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Speaker 3: and it killed me to be away from them. I
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Speaker 3: would actually cry in the parking lot, but I had
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Speaker 3: to do it. And here's a mom that has to
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Speaker 3: be away from her child all day long. Who would
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Speaker 3: think that you would leave your baby with a babysitter
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Speaker 3: at a daycare licensed by the city and eyes of
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Speaker 3: a drug overdose as you mentioned.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and that daycare inspected just days before by the city,
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Speaker 8: and it was a surprise visit by the city to
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Speaker 8: make that inspection. So I mean, hearing that, you'd imagine
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Speaker 8: things are on the up and up and things are
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Speaker 8: looking good. We know Nicholas just started at that daycare.
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Speaker 8: It was just a few days in going to that
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Speaker 8: daycare when this happened on Friday afternoon. And yeah, here
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Speaker 8: we are now kind of trying to piece things together
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Speaker 8: with what we know so far. We learned a lot
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Speaker 8: more yesterday though, obviously, Anthony.
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Speaker 3: Guys, we're talking about a little one year old boy,
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Speaker 3: baby Nikki Nicholas Dominici.
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Speaker 2: He's dead.
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Speaker 3: He had not even been at this new daycare for
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Speaker 3: even a week before this happened.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 9: Three children were found unresponsive when police arrived Friday. A
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Speaker 9: fourth had already been picked up by their parents. Police
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Speaker 9: say the babies were playing, eating, and sleeping inside Divino
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Speaker 9: Ninho Daycare when they were exposed to ventanyl by akilo
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Speaker 9: stored right on their playmats. Pixe eleven News spoke with
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Speaker 9: the aunt of one of the children hurt. We also
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Speaker 9: spoke with the mother of the two other children inside
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Speaker 9: the daycare at the time. She was very emotional, saying
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Speaker 9: that an agency referred her to the daycare so that
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Speaker 9: she can find a job.
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Speaker 10: The children didn't wake up from naptime. First responders rushed
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Speaker 10: to the building for cardiac arrests. Sources say narcn was
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Speaker 10: used to revive at least one of them. Doctors now
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Speaker 10: testing blood and urine samples from the three surviving kids
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Speaker 10: to figure out exactly what kind of narcotics they were
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Speaker 10: exposed to. Meanwhile, parents want answers from the daycare.
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Speaker 2: I guess they do now.
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Speaker 3: Did you hear that three children found unresponsive when police arrived.
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Speaker 2: A fourth had already been picked up.
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Speaker 3: The babies were playing, eating, sleeping, when they were exposed
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Speaker 3: to fentanyl by a kilo stored on their playmat.
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Speaker 2: Well, you were just hearing our friends at Pigs eleven
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Speaker 2: and WABC seven. Now take a listen to this.
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Speaker 11: In those critical moments, detectives say, the owner of this
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Speaker 11: daycare didn't call nine to one one right away. Instead,
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Speaker 11: she called other people first, and today detectives are still
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Speaker 11: trying to figure out where that husband is. Toddlers played
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Speaker 11: eight and slept inside the Divino Nino Daycare Friday while
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Speaker 11: around them a powerful substance under their mats and hidden
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Speaker 11: around the apartment based daycare and equipment used to produce drugs.
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Speaker 5: They dropped the babies off to a daycare cent too,
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Speaker 5: hoping that their children will be protected by the caregivers.
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Speaker 11: Three toddlers were found unresponsive after being exposed to what
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Speaker 11: detectives say was fentanyl, and in the critical moments after
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Speaker 11: the discovery, authority say Gray Mendes, the owner of the daycare,
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Speaker 11: called several others before nine to one one and caught
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Speaker 11: on video shortly after Mendez's husband and several others carrying
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Speaker 11: bags of unknown items out of the apartment.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy.
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Speaker 2: Grace, Dan Sarah than joining US News twelve.
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Speaker 3: Did I hear that correctly? That the owner and operator
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Speaker 3: Gray it's a female, Gray Mendez, thirty six years old, did.
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Speaker 2: Not call nine one one.
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Speaker 3: Immediately, she calls several other people and neighbors observed people
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Speaker 3: men carrying things out of the daycare, things like what.
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Speaker 2: A heroine press, a kilo a fentanyl? What happened?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, The federal complaint that was made public yesterday kind
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Speaker 8: of pointed to this timeline that starts at around two
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Speaker 8: thirty nine in the afternoon. That's when Mendes makes her first.
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Speaker 2: Call, hold on hold, on hold, on two thirty nine pm.
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Speaker 3: That would be waking up from nap time, because they
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Speaker 3: would have lunch whatever it was, and then of course
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Speaker 3: you get sleepy after lunch, so they would doze off, right,
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Speaker 3: So that would be about time for them to be
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Speaker 3: woken up from lunch, right.
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Speaker 8: You would imagine. So, yes, and that's when Mendes makes
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Speaker 8: the first call is to another employee whose identity we
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Speaker 8: don't know right now, of that daycarit care, a very
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Speaker 8: brief phone call. Then after that first phone call, she
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Speaker 8: makes two more phone calls, neither of them to nine
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Speaker 8: one one, Both of them to the person named in
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Speaker 8: the complaint, that's co Conspirator one, who we know is
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Speaker 8: Mendez's husband. That first call was unanswered, the second one
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Speaker 8: lasted just ten seconds, then finally the third, the fourth
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Speaker 8: phone call rather in this timeline is to nine one one.
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Speaker 8: That's at two forty pm, and then after that there's
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Speaker 8: several more calls to co Conspirator one. So it seems
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Speaker 8: like Mendes during this time when obviously these children are
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Speaker 8: in desperate need of help and attention medically, she's kind
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Speaker 8: of juggling between, you know, getting the medical help and
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Speaker 8: these other phone calls she makes to co Conspirator one,
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Speaker 8: who then eventually would arrive at the daycare before medical personnel.
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Speaker 3: Joining me is a renowned trial lawyer, BANARDA Violona. She
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Speaker 3: worked in homicide. Now she is a veteran criminal defense attorney,
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Speaker 3: former prosecutor BERNARDA. Violona. You can find her at Violona
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Speaker 3: law dot com. Bernarda. They're all going down, every one
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Speaker 3: of them. This is textbook felony murder. Know this woman,
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Speaker 3: this thirty six year old Gray Mendez. I'm sure she
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Speaker 3: didn't mean to kill the children, but there's so many
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Speaker 3: theories to support a murder charge for instance, the abandoned
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Speaker 3: a malignant heart, which is, for instance, I get into
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Speaker 3: my mini van and I Flora at one hundred a
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Speaker 3: nph and drive through a street fair. I don't set
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Speaker 3: out to kill everybody I mowed down, but I do
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Speaker 3: because I have an abandoned and malignant heart, no care
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Speaker 3: for the human life I'm destroying.
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Speaker 2: Then you've got a death.
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Speaker 3: Occurs in the commission of a felony, that being possession
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Speaker 3: of narcotics. She has narcotics, and in the middle of
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Speaker 3: that felony, this baby dies. I mean, I've got so
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Speaker 3: many ways to go, but they're all going down, and
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Speaker 3: they better not plead these people out for codefenditive testimony.
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Speaker 3: You don't need code definite testimony. We have enough based
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Speaker 3: on those phone calls, based on neighbors seeing men rushing
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Speaker 3: in and out, based on what was found there in
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Speaker 3: the daycare, which obviously is a front for drugs.
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Speaker 12: Nancy, this is crazy. This case definitely shocks the conscious.
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Speaker 12: But don't worry because the prosecutors have recovered in terms
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Speaker 12: of the state charges. They're already been charged with murder
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Speaker 12: to say degree, which is a depraved different of course,
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Speaker 12: this is something that shocked the conscious. So that's why
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Speaker 12: they went with the murder to second degree.
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Speaker 3: That's my language for abandoned and malignant heart, depraved indifference.
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Speaker 12: But aside from that, Nancy, guess what if you're talking
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Speaker 12: about because.
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Speaker 13: She's claiming she wasn't aware that there were narcotics inside
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Speaker 13: of the house.
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Speaker 12: Guests who has it covered? The feds have it covered,
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Speaker 12: and the Feds have charged were conspiratory distribute narcotics resulting
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Speaker 12: in death as well as the narcotics distribution resulting in debt.
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Speaker 3: Well, hold on, Banana, I'm not saying anything that you're
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Speaker 3: saying is wrong. In fact, I think everything you just
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Speaker 3: said is right. Uh, Dan Serafin, I want to address.
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Speaker 2: What Beranarda Vielona just said.
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Speaker 3: She said that the owner and operator, thirty six year
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Speaker 3: old Gray Mendez, claims, I didn't know there were drugs here. Really,
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Speaker 3: where were the drugs, Dan saraf and where was the fentanyl?
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Speaker 8: Well, well, the complaint says that that sentinel was actually
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Speaker 8: in a closet for when when it was found. On
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Speaker 8: top of that, those play mats that we know, so
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Speaker 8: I'm imagining a play mat that you kind of take
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Speaker 8: apart I guess when you're done with your daycare responsibilities.
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Speaker 2: On top of the playmat.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, in the closet, they're just just sitting right on
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Speaker 8: top of that play mat that I guess then that
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Speaker 8: you know, during the day would be would be taken
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Speaker 8: out and put on the mat.
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Speaker 2: And from what I'm understanding, the children could get in there.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and this daycare, you know, obviously limited space there
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Speaker 8: in an apartment complex, so you know, you think of
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Speaker 8: kind of almost like a residential kind of space, you know,
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Speaker 8: with a kitchen and stuff like. That's not necessarily a large,
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Speaker 8: you know, daycare space where there's lots of open space.
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Speaker 8: I'm imagining, you know, just stuff stored wherever.
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Speaker 14: It could be stored.
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Speaker 8: Obviously not in a good spot from what happened from
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Speaker 8: in a terrible spot.
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Speaker 3: But you know what to doctor William Moroney, when fit
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Speaker 3: and is placed on a surface and then a child
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Speaker 3: touches that surface, what happens.
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Speaker 7: You have a transfer of fentanyl from a rubber or
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Speaker 7: plastic to skin and it's absorbed. So there's two ways.
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Speaker 7: This child was exposed to fentanyl in the air. It
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Speaker 7: was breathing fentanyl, and it was exposed to material that
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Speaker 7: would have helped transfer fentanyl into the skin. And there's
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Speaker 7: just not enough fat in a baby's body to slow
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Speaker 7: this down. It's absorbed right away.
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Speaker 3: So like if you even touch it, oh yeah, police
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Speaker 3: on sen you don't have to ingest it, you don't
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Speaker 3: have to smoke it, you don't have to swallow it.
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Speaker 2: If you touch it. Correct, If you touch fentanyl.
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Speaker 7: Police on SCEEN have to double gloves. Everybody on scene
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Speaker 7: has to double glove. People have to wear masks. It
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Speaker 7: is so rare necklists to touch ventyl to products that
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Speaker 7: maintain as equipment or furniture or toys.
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Speaker 14: It's just reckless.
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Speaker 7: We had eight hundred and eighty four child in adolescent
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Speaker 7: deaths to fentanyl in twenty twenty one. We need policy changes.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Before I can talk about policy, I have to understand
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Speaker 3: what's happening right now. I have to be able to
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Speaker 3: apply the facts to the policy that you want enacted.
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Speaker 2: Okay. According to multiple sources.
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Speaker 3: Including The Evening Standard, a kilo a fentanyl was discovered
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Speaker 3: on top of playmats at this daycare center, where one
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Speaker 3: child dies and three others land in the hospital. A
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Speaker 3: fentanyl overdose at twelve months old Okay, Bernarda the Alona
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Speaker 3: joining me veterans try a lawyer, sources say. Many sources
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Speaker 3: say the fentanyl was found on top of play mats
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Speaker 3: where the children were.
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Speaker 2: Other sources say the.
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Speaker 3: Pentanyl had been hidden in the closet that the children
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Speaker 3: could get to, and of course a child is going
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Speaker 3: to go in a closet because it can that's fun
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Speaker 3: a Heidi hole. How in the world are they going
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Speaker 3: to try to.
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Speaker 12: Get out of this, Nancy, It doesn't matter where they
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Speaker 12: found it in that house and that daycare shouldn't have
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Speaker 12: been there to begin with.
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Speaker 13: They shouldn't have been their true in with and let's
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Speaker 13: not forget. So while she can claim I didn't know
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Speaker 13: anything about it, why did you delete over twenty one
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Speaker 13: thousand text messages between you and your husband? Like there's
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Speaker 13: more to this what we're in the shop and bats
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Speaker 13: that left that house and your husband left within two
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Speaker 13: minutes of this incident happening, Like why are these messages
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Speaker 13: in anything you did to conceal it actually happening. So
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Speaker 13: these people are going down, whether it's under state law
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Speaker 13: or federal law, They're both going to spend the rest
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Speaker 13: of their life in jail and hopefully they find a
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Speaker 13: husband who's still out on the run.
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Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, there's one kind of fit at all the run.
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Speaker 3: She's exactly right. I want you to hear our cut
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Speaker 3: thirty four and thirty five from ABC seven at Picks eleven.
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Speaker 2: There's a cover up.
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Speaker 15: One baby died, three others were revived with the help
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Speaker 15: of NARCAN. Prosecutors ay Mendez deleted twenty thousand text messages
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Speaker 15: from her phone before her arrest, but they managed to
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Speaker 15: recover them. A manhunt continues for Mendez's husband and anyone
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Speaker 15: else involved in this daycare drug den.
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Speaker 9: Prosecutors allege the defendants tried to cover up what happened
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Speaker 9: to the children. Instead of calling nine to one one,
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Speaker 9: the owner of the daycare apparently called other people. The
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Speaker 9: first was to another employee of the daycare at approximately
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Speaker 9: two thirty nine in the afternoon.
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Speaker 2: The second two calls were to.
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Speaker 9: An individual who Mendez later identified as her husband. Also,
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Speaker 9: surveillance video shows Mendez's husband entered the daycare empty handed
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Speaker 9: and then exit approximately two minutes later carrying what appears
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Speaker 9: to be two shopping bags waited with contents. Right now,
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Speaker 9: police are trying to find the husband.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she called them to come clean out the daycare
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Speaker 3: of all the drugs and the drug paraphernalia before nine
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Speaker 3: one one got there, and in that space of time
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Speaker 3: the baby died. The baby may have been able to
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Speaker 3: have been saved if the Empts had gotten there and
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Speaker 3: given it Narcan, which they carry with them on the ambulance.
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Speaker 2: That baby may have lived.
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Speaker 3: But know she called her husband and all of her
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Speaker 3: drug cohorts to come clean out the place before Cox
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Speaker 3: could get there, and in that space of time, this
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Speaker 3: baby died.
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Speaker 2: Think about it.
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Speaker 3: Think about your child at age twelve months Think about it.
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Speaker 3: Think about your grandchild, your niece, your nephew twelve months old,
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Speaker 3: you go to daycare and die of an od an
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Speaker 3: overdose to Robert Crispin joining US a very well known
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Speaker 3: private investigator, former Federal Task Force officer for the United
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Speaker 3: States DOJ, working with DEA Drug Enforcement Agency, the Miami
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Speaker 3: Field Division, former homicide Crimes against Children, and the owner
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Speaker 3: and operator of Crispin Special Investigations. You can find them
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Speaker 3: online at Crispin Investigations dot com. Robert, how have they
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Speaker 3: managed to get back all of those texts?
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Speaker 2: Twenty thousand texts she deleted? And you can look on
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Speaker 2: a phone and see when they were deleted. A. She's
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Speaker 2: a felon. B she killed a baby. C she's an idiot.
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Speaker 14: So there's a program out there called Celbright, and Celbright's
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Speaker 14: a program. Now we can hook up a sell.
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Speaker 2: Wait am in it? Yes?
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Speaker 3: Remember Robert, we talked about this during Alex Murdogg's double
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Speaker 3: murder trial.
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Speaker 2: And the FEDS came in and they used that.
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Speaker 3: I think it was the fanser, it may have been
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Speaker 3: the local sled South Carolina Law Enforcement Division.
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Speaker 2: They used exactly what you just actually know. I remember
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Speaker 2: him on the stand.
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Speaker 3: They brought a guy that had been in the Secret
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Speaker 3: Service and he did all of these maneuvers on Alex
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Speaker 3: Murdogg's and the deceased Paul and Maggie's phones and recovered
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Speaker 3: all sorts of incriminating evidence, and they used exactly what
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Speaker 3: you just said.
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Speaker 7: Could you spell it right?
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Speaker 2: I think I think it starts with ce L L
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Speaker 2: E B R I E something like that. Okay, go ahead.
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Speaker 14: So that's that's a fantastic program for digital electronic devices,
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Speaker 14: and it allows the user who knows how to operate
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Speaker 14: that program to actually go into your device and it
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Speaker 14: will pull out all your deleted information kind of like
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Speaker 14: a computer. When you delete something, especially in your cell phone,
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Speaker 14: it's really not gone, Nancy. It's still there because there's
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Speaker 14: an actual hard drive that's inside your phone and it
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Speaker 14: keeps a lot of data, and it's just it's like
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Speaker 14: a circle and it just starts filling up and going
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Speaker 14: around and going around, and the average person is never
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Speaker 14: going to fill up that disk. So when you plug
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Speaker 14: that into cell right, that's right there, right in front
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Speaker 14: of your face, and there's all your incriminating evidence that
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Speaker 14: you can download backwards. It's a great program.
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Speaker 3: Also found was a press that is a mechanical device.
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Speaker 3: I don't know quite how to explain it. I do
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Speaker 3: remember the first time I ever saw one. It compresses
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Speaker 3: powder into tablets and it runs the powder through machine.
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Speaker 2: So explain how that would have been used. You're the
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Speaker 2: former dea.
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Speaker 14: So listen. So a kilo press makes a kilo cocaine,
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Speaker 14: which is two point two pounds or one thousand, one
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Speaker 14: thousand grams. This is a This is a major operation
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Speaker 14: that was going on there on two or three of
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Speaker 14: these presses. That is not small time. And I'm going
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Speaker 14: to tell you this is where the federal nexus is
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Speaker 14: coming in because I'm sure that these people were already
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Speaker 14: on the government's radar at some point. The magnitude of
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Speaker 14: the fentanyl that goes into a kilo press is not
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Speaker 14: street level. This is international distribution. This stuff's coming in
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Speaker 14: from China, it's coming in from Afghanistan, and it's coming
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Speaker 14: right across the border with everybody through the border from
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Speaker 14: Mexico getting on a bus and going to New York
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Speaker 14: and it's getting distributed. So that's I think where your
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Speaker 14: federal nexus is coming in, because this is an organized
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Speaker 14: distribution network these guys. You don't get to that level
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Speaker 14: of fentanyl where you have kilo presses unless you are
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Speaker 14: connected all the way backwards to probably China. And that's
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Speaker 14: probably why the FEDS are involved in. And you're going
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Speaker 14: to see is this systematically starts coming out and breaking
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Speaker 14: down of the facts, You're going to find a lot
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Speaker 14: more people are getting indicted related to this death. You're
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Speaker 14: going to get the courier, You're going to get the
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Speaker 14: person who brought it across the border. It's just this
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Speaker 14: is what the government does. This is why these cases
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Speaker 14: take time, but they roll it back and as soon
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Speaker 14: as this went to the FEDS, This absolutely had to
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Speaker 14: be part of something that was already going on.
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Speaker 2: You know, whether you're reminded me.
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Speaker 3: I remember my first triple homicide prosecution. I've talked about
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Speaker 3: it with you before, Jackie, because I remember the crime
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Speaker 3: scene photos.
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Speaker 2: There was literally blood running down the gutter.
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Speaker 3: Three young boys, teens were gunned down over drugged turf.
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Speaker 3: One of them was shot trying to jump over a
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Speaker 3: chain link fence and he hung there like a scarecrow
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Speaker 3: for I don't know how long, with his blood just
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Speaker 3: dripping down into that gutter, and I couldn't get the
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Speaker 3: Feds to help me to save my neck. You know
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Speaker 3: why I was prosecuting the murder of three young men.
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Speaker 2: They didn't care about the three young men. They wanted
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Speaker 2: the courier.
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Speaker 3: They wanted the supplier, and guess what about two years
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Speaker 3: later they got him and it was all tied into
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Speaker 3: your stomping grounds, Crispin, Miami and beyond. They didn't give
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Speaker 3: a flying fig about my little triple homicide case.
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Speaker 2: And that's all I cared about. And I went to
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Speaker 2: that federal courthouse and.
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Speaker 3: I got a hold of the guy that was allegedly
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Speaker 3: on the case, and I begged because they had info
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Speaker 3: about witnesses, and they would not give it to me.
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Speaker 3: Why because they thought it would jeopardize their drug investigation.
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Speaker 3: And no matter how much I jumped up and down
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Speaker 3: and cried and carried on, they wouldn't say a word.
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Speaker 2: So what you're telling me is that because.
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Speaker 3: Of this baby's death, they're going to get these purpse
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Speaker 3: Gray Mendez, her husband, whenever they can find him. The
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Speaker 3: other guys that were cleaning the place out and getting
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Speaker 3: rid of all the drugs, they're going to get them.
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Speaker 3: They're going to squeeze them until they give up the courier,
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Speaker 3: and the courier, hopefully if he's not killed, it's going
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Speaker 3: to give up who gave him the drugs, who gave
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Speaker 3: him the drugs, who gave him the drugs, until it
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Speaker 3: goes back probably to the cartel.
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Speaker 2: Right, is that what you're saying.
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Speaker 14: I'm telling you absolutely that's what's going to happen. And Nancy,
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Speaker 14: the government on so many different types of narcotic investigations
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Speaker 14: are up on a wire tap or a Title three
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Speaker 14: on so many different phones all over the country and
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Speaker 14: out of the country. There's so much more to all
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Speaker 14: of this that they may already have a recording talking
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Speaker 14: about a package that got delivered that went to these people.
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Speaker 7: It's my belief.
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Speaker 3: Man, Hey, you're having a sweet dream, because I've never
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Speaker 3: heard it being that easy, Which leads me to the
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Speaker 3: question if they did know that, How in the HG
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Speaker 3: double L did they let children go into a daycare
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Speaker 3: with fentanyl and drug presses around? Doctor Michelle Joy is
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Speaker 3: joining US forensic and clinical academic psychiatrist, author of Wait
29:02
Speaker 3: for It and Illustrated History of the Insanity Defense and
29:06
Speaker 3: See that's a good book. An Illustrated History of the
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Speaker 3: Insanity Defense.
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Speaker 2: I could go I could read that all night long.
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Speaker 3: And I Hint Hint for Christmas and Illustrated History of
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Speaker 3: the Insanity Defense. Wow, Doctor Michelle Joy, thank you for
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Speaker 3: being with us. How in the hay does a woman
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Speaker 3: I'm guessing she's probably a mother, I don't know that yet.
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Speaker 3: How do you have babies crawling around on your floor
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Speaker 3: and they're basically your props. You're using them as your
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Speaker 3: cover to cover up your drug operation. How do you
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Speaker 3: have babies crawling around on matts that are covered in fentanyl.
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Speaker 16: I'm so glad that you asked me uh to speak
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Speaker 16: because I was literally chomping at the bit to say
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Speaker 16: something right now. And that's because you know, just listening
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Speaker 16: to the extent of the network involved in this. I mean,
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Speaker 16: we're talking about weights, right, we're talking about number of
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Speaker 16: people involved, but then we're really talking about money, right,
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Speaker 16: So this isn't you know, this isn't Oh, there was
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Speaker 16: a little bit of fentanyl store there. Someone was trying
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Speaker 16: to make money, you know. Incidentally, her boyfriend was involved
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Speaker 16: in this thing. No, those children were intentionally there, used
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Speaker 16: placed as props, not as humans, not even as babies,
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Speaker 16: not as anything other than props. They didn't need money
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Speaker 16: from the daycare, right, This is not an operation that
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Speaker 16: she needed to survive. They were literally used to cover
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Speaker 16: up the drugs. This wasn't incidental, This wasn't coincidental. This
30:36
Speaker 16: wasn't you know, even simultaneous. This was literally using babies
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Speaker 16: to protect a cash flow.
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Speaker 2: Who would do that? What kind of mind is that?
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Speaker 16: A sociopath? The psychopaths, the antisocial person. No matter how
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Speaker 16: we think about it, it is something as someone I'm
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Speaker 16: using similar language that is using a baby again, baby
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Speaker 16: as a tool rather than an infant, rather than a
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Speaker 16: human being, rather than someone that has a full future
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Speaker 16: ahead of them, right, there's no acknowledgment of the fact
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Speaker 16: that this is something other than a prop to be
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Speaker 16: used for furthering your own selfish.
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Speaker 1: Need crime stories. With me, it'sy Grace.
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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about something, Anastasia. I'm coming right to you.
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Speaker 3: We've got a credible childcare professional with us. I'm just
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Speaker 3: thinking about something, doctor Michelle. Doctor Michelle Joy is joining us.
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Speaker 3: I remember on one case I prosecuted, I went into
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Speaker 3: I've been there many many times. On other cases, I
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Speaker 3: went into a woman's home and she was running a daycare.
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Speaker 2: And I went into her apartment. It was in a housing.
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Speaker 3: Project, and there were about eleven or twelve babies, little babies,
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Speaker 3: all just laying on the floor, directly on a piece
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Speaker 3: of carpet, and they were all quiet. And I was
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Speaker 3: amazed because John, David and Elsa were like all over everything.
32:26
Speaker 3: Now this was before I had my children, so I didn't.
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Speaker 3: It just struck me as wrong. I didn't really know
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Speaker 3: any better. But a TV was going with some game
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Speaker 3: show or something on it, and I went into lady's kitchen.
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Speaker 3: She couldn't have been over twenty one. I went into
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Speaker 3: the lady's kitchen and sat down at the kitchen table
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Speaker 3: to talk to her.
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Speaker 2: First of all, I had to.
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Speaker 3: Sneak in, because nobody wants to be seen with the prosecutor.
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Speaker 2: I had to sneak in the back way.
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Speaker 3: I got in and got into the kitchen and I
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Speaker 3: was sitting there waiting for her, and I looked I
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Speaker 3: just felt movement.
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Speaker 2: I looked up.
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Speaker 3: There had to be eighty or ninety roaches, the little
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Speaker 3: bitty nasty ones going up and down the wall right
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Speaker 3: beside me. And I'm like, oh, and what can I do?
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Speaker 2: I couldn't scream, lady, you got roaches all over.
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Speaker 3: So I sit there and talked to her and finished
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Speaker 3: the interview and got up and left. I said, how
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Speaker 3: many babies are here? Are those all yours? And she said,
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Speaker 3: oh no, I run a daycare. I oh, okay, and left.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I take care my rear end, which I
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Speaker 3: guess doctor Joyce she didn't think there was a problem
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Speaker 3: with roaches crawling all over the walls and those babies
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Speaker 3: laying right on the floor. I mean, I don't even
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Speaker 3: let my husband say curse word in front of the twins.
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Speaker 2: Or it's hell to pay h E double l he said.
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Speaker 3: One curse word when they were like three and I
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Speaker 3: had to make a big production of washing his mouth
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Speaker 3: out with soap, like putting a piece of soap on
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Speaker 3: his lips, and he's going, hey, gres grass crust, and.
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Speaker 2: Wait, what are people thinking? What kind of mind is that?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 16: It's It's like I said, it's not even just a
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Speaker 16: disregard in a censinnati. I don't mean legally rate. These
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Speaker 16: are just people that truly are not not having empathy,
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Speaker 16: not understanding another person, let alone. Again, I keep emphasizing
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Speaker 16: baby as something where they value of something where the future.
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Speaker 3: I guess, sees them as objects, not as little babies.
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Speaker 2: Guys with me right now.
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Speaker 3: Anastasia Germaine, President of Childcare Professional Services LLC, founder and
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Speaker 3: former operator of a licensed childcare center, and you can
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Speaker 3: find her at CHILDCAREPS dot com, Repeat CHILDCAREPS dot com. Anastasia,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for being with us. How in
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Speaker 3: the hey did this place just get in this right,
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Speaker 3: Dan Sarafin, They just got re licensed the week.
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Speaker 8: Before, inspected get by the city.
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Speaker 3: The one maybe dies and three others have ods.
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Speaker 17: This case is so disheartening. One thing that stands out
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Speaker 17: during the application process the daycare owner, would Miss Mendez
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Speaker 17: would have had to submit a diagram of all the
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Speaker 17: rooms of the house, including those especially those used for
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Speaker 17: daycare purposes. So the questions I would have is was
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Speaker 17: the Office of Children and Family Services made aware at
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Speaker 17: the time of licensing or thereafter that a room was
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Speaker 17: being rented? Was this individual renting the room mister Brido.
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Speaker 17: Was he subjected to the same background and reference checks
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Speaker 17: that the owner and childcare staff were subjected to? Was
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Speaker 17: he passing through rooms used for the daycare center? Whitters
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Speaker 17: that childcare centers have to sign in and out, they
35:52
Speaker 17: have to put the date in time?
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Speaker 3: Okay, hold on, Hold on with me as Anna Station, Germaine. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: the last thing I want with my chill ldren in
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Speaker 3: a daycare is to have some male who's no offense
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Speaker 3: men on the panel, but it's usually a man that
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Speaker 3: sexually molests children. The last thing I want is some
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Speaker 3: guy I don't even know about trumping through in and
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Speaker 3: out with my babies.
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Speaker 17: There no exactly and where the parents even aware that
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Speaker 17: there was a room being rented? Did mister Brito have
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Speaker 17: to adhere to any of these state regulations or center policies?
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Speaker 17: And I think It's also worth noting that the New
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Speaker 17: York Health Commissioner, doctor Ashwin Vossen, had said that at
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Speaker 17: the time of the incident, inspectors were not trained in
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Speaker 17: what to look for in terms of fentanyl, but that
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Speaker 17: maybe they should be. I don't think that's maybe. I
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Speaker 17: think that's a definite.
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Speaker 2: That is awful.
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Speaker 3: We sent out inspectors, but they didn't know what to
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Speaker 3: do really exactly.
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Speaker 17: If they saw the press, if they saw the fedanel,
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Speaker 17: what they know? What they're looking at.
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Speaker 3: Guys, I'm listening to Anastasia Germaine, President of Childcare Professional
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Speaker 3: Services LLC at childcareps dot com. I want you to
37:04
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Speaker 4: Through tears, Dominici's parents told us their youngest son had
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Speaker 4: only been at the daycare a week since his death.
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Speaker 4: The NYPD says they found three kilo presses used to
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Speaker 4: package narcotics in the daycare, as well as a kilo
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Speaker 4: of fentanyl.
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Speaker 18: It was laid underneath a matt when his children had
37:26
Speaker 18: been sleeping early.
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Speaker 4: Over the weekend. Police arrested the daycare owner, Gray Mendez,
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Speaker 4: and her husband's cousin, Carlisto Savito, Brito, who was renting
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Speaker 4: a room inside the home based childcare center. Neither had
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Speaker 4: any priors. They're now facing murder and drug charges.
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Speaker 3: Doctor William Maroney joining me, renowned toat psychologist, Doctor Moroney.
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Speaker 3: Isn't it true that if the EMTs had arrived earlier
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Speaker 3: and this little baby even had a pulse, I mean,
37:57
Speaker 3: apparently they immediately suspected fentnol. I don't know why what
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Speaker 3: there was that they saw that the inspectors didn't see.
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Speaker 3: They knew immediately that there was a fentyl od If
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Speaker 3: they had gotten there in time, Doctor Moroney, and the
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Speaker 3: child was still breathing, there's a very strong possibility that
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Speaker 3: baby could have been saved with narcnlight.
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Speaker 7: The other babies were unquestionably. When those people are trained
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Speaker 7: walk in, they look and they see, They sweep the mouth,
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Speaker 7: they check the pulse. They hear for breathing or no
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Speaker 7: breathing or shallow breathing, and sentinels at the top of
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Speaker 7: the list. If the mouth is clear and there's no choking,
38:43
Speaker 7: if there's no food around, you see pin point pupils.
38:49
Speaker 7: Pinpoint pupils in fentanyl exposure, possibly gurgling a limp body
38:57
Speaker 7: and cold skin with blue lips and blue nails. You
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Speaker 7: see that. The first thing you say is narcotic overdose,
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Speaker 7: and you get that sentinel there right away. It comes
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Speaker 7: with the police, It comes with the fire, It comes
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Speaker 7: with the EMTs. Every person that would have been a
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Speaker 7: first responder would have had narcin every single one that
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Speaker 7: would have walked through that door. They just weren't called
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Speaker 7: soon enough.
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Speaker 3: You're never gonna believe who the first responders were.
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Speaker 2: Take a listener, our cut thirty Fox five.
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Speaker 19: Armed with a search warrant, NYPD detectives and DEA agents
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Speaker 19: made a startling discovery there.
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Speaker 18: We just called it a kilogram of fentanyl in an
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Speaker 18: area that was used to give the children naps. It
39:40
Speaker 18: was laid underneath a matt where the children had been
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Speaker 18: sleeping earlier.
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Speaker 19: DEA agents were among the first responders to the Divino
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Speaker 19: Nino daycare Center, which was actually inside Mendez's apartment. Authority
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Speaker 19: say they also found three kilo presses in the place.
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Speaker 3: Back to Dan Sarafin joining us from News twelve, Dan
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Speaker 3: every saying that Robert Crispin said about how this place
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Speaker 3: had likely been under surveillance has to be true because
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Speaker 3: they are.
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Speaker 2: Among the first responders.
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Speaker 3: Was the DEA, right, And I mean when my mom fell,
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Speaker 3: when my mom fail in the shower not long ago
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Speaker 3: and we called nine one one, the DEA.
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Speaker 2: Didn't show up.
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Speaker 8: And in that criminal complaint that was released yesterday kind
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Speaker 8: kind of tells that story also of surveillance and even
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Speaker 8: mentioning surveillance footage. As you mentioned before, that co conspirator
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Speaker 8: one who we know is Gray Mendez, his husband. After
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Speaker 8: that phone call that she made, one of the first
40:35
Speaker 8: phone calls she made before nine to one one to him,
40:37
Speaker 8: he shows up at that daycare before first responders do,
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Speaker 8: empty handed, and that complaint said surveillance footage shows him
40:45
Speaker 8: walking in the front door empty handed and then walking
40:47
Speaker 8: out the back door just two minutes later with those
40:50
Speaker 8: two huge bags that I think you mentioned earlier that
40:53
Speaker 8: they said carrying two shopping bags waited with contents. We
40:56
Speaker 8: can probably imagine what's inside of those bags. So video
41:01
Speaker 8: obviously the law enforcement operation into the investigation, talking to
41:05
Speaker 8: people around that area. Yeah, this was something that they
41:09
Speaker 8: seem to be right on top of from the minute
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Speaker 8: that this happened.
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Speaker 3: Well, they're all going to hell, but I want them
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Speaker 3: to have a nice long life. Without parole, behind bars,
41:20
Speaker 3: as a little pit stop to a burning eternity, we
41:25
Speaker 3: wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 2: Good las night,