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Street Farbrengen Episode 106 - Are You Allowed to Breathe? · ChabadLife.TV Street Farbrengen

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_06: So here we are on the eve of the Shabbos that blesses you and we come as a community full circle.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_03: The call of the chauffeur hasn't ended.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_03: Now it's the call of the breath and the controversy reigns like a cloud over Crown Heights.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_03: Are you allowed to breathe?
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_03: Or is it a voidasara?
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_03: But the real Avoidasara is perhaps what's your relationship with your son?
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Ruben.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: Let's let's dive into the last piece of your statement that the real Voida Zara is yourself or how you look at yourself.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_06: I did not say yourself, and I did not say how you look at yourself.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_06: What were the words that you used?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_06: Your relationship with yourself.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: Your relationship with yourself.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, could you define that then please?
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_06: We'll get there.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_03: Let me ask you a question.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_03: Why do you think not getting down into the issue of halo and so forth?
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_03: Why do you think breathwork is the new rage?
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_03: I don't mean an emphasis on new.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: Why is breath work the rage?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's a certain amount of immediate healing and release that you get from breathwork.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's something that's I mean it's something that is an easy outlet to uh are you being judgmental on the word immediate and easy?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not being judgmental at all.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying that's why I think it's the biggest rage.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think it has a lot of incredible benefits.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I I'm just asking for a lot of things.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, no, and I'm I'm not putting down breath work at all.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, I didn't ask you that.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: I said you're putting down ease and immediacy.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, uh not not necessarily.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's uh incredible place and importance to immediate enjoyment of things.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_06: Um it is enjoyable to feel healing, but you're not looking for the enjoyment, you're looking for the healing, I would assume.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_06: So do you have any grasp why that is, that it's immediate and what it is that makes it so healing?
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think it's a release of just good chemicals in your head and clarity in your your mind and opens you up.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_06: Now you're really into a void of Zara.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_06: No, I'm asking you, I know the outcome.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_06: I'm asking you, why do you think it works?
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, I don't know.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_06: What do you think?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_06: You don't know.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_06: Why have you not asked yourself that question?
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_06: Wow, there's a lot of people doing it.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_06: Why?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_06: And it's immediate, which is probably a correct observation.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_06: Wouldn't you ask what is what is the what is it that the immediate say I breathed before I started breathing.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_06: Right?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_06: Have to pay a hundred bucks to some long-haired ex-Lobavacra hippie who's gonna tell me how to breathe.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_06: No.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_06: So the fact that the guy who wrote the article that's called going through through all of the websites that won't put us up uh on their website is because of that guy.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_04: Because his delivery system, it looks like the old days as he writes.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe he's being nostalgic and he wishes he can have like the Moonies and the Harry Kishka's back so he can be cult button.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_06: Well, he mentions them in the uh in the already mentions, so it's like maybe he w he longs for those days.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_06: But in any case, because and now you know, like when was the last time you needed this guy to cult bus?
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_06: Ah, now we have the Labavatra cult bus.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of things I think he should be talking about that he's not, but that's a different discussion.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_04: So you're right.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm asking you, what why wouldn't you ask yourself, what is it that people are finding there?
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's immediate, yes.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_04: They're going there, yes.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_04: They're paying$100 with 15 people in a room, so the guy's making$1,500 an hour.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_06: A lot more than the psychologist who spent$15,000 a year for his college education.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_06: So what is it?
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_06: Why doesn't he ask that?
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_06: He just says it's a vodasara.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_06: He says it's like the 60s cuts.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_06: And now we're back to the same thing, like I said, with call of the chauffeur.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_06: Hasilis has everything, which was our one of our last meetings.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_06: Okay?
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_06: So we want to defend who we are and what we are by totally cutting off what this is.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_07: Okay, and what is this?
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_06: Advocating yes or no for breat breathing.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, the whole thing sounds to me in state.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_06: Of course.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_06: Breathing.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, what are you doing already?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_07: Okay.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_06: It says kol nashama talal yutke, kol nashima talal yutke.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_06: Every soul, every breath praises God.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_06: So if a person wants to feel his breath and praise God because of it, what's wrong with that?
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_06: Because the goyim also do it?
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_06: Who cares that the goyim also the goyim also uh the goyim bowed down, says the Gemara to the sun.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_06: So we shouldn't have any han from it?
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_06: That's questioning the Gemara.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_06: So but I get the trappings.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_06: We'll get there in a second, why the trappings.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_06: And we'll get to why I think it's a vodazar.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_06: Not the breath work per se.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_06: Why does it work since you're not answering?
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_06: Why is it work?
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_06: Because you get 100% definition, you call it clarity, definition that I am in charge of myself.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_03: That's what breath work does.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_06: Alcoholism says I don't want to have anything to do with myself.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_06: Hyayahuasca is I don't want to have anything to do with myself.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_06: Let me bounce and find some other version of me.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_06: Breath work is I control the pulse of my life by how I'm gonna breathe.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_06: Now it's true that you're gonna have some hyperventilation, extra oxygen, and you're gonna feel high just like you would in the gym.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe we shouldn't go to the gym because it's a vodazar.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_06: Right?
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_06: I mean I'm sure a lot of people would be happy to hear that.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_06: I'm sure they will.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_06: Someone sent me a someone sent me some video.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_06: This is a guy who's like 65 years old, 40 pounds overweight, diabetic, um, had a heart condition, couldn't leave Israel when he was there because he had a heart whatever situation.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_04: He sends me this dumb video.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know why it was a dog in the video looking there, and talking about how his grand his grandmother drank and smoked and cursed and lived to 102, and you know, giving all these examples of these people who didn't eat tofu and so on and so forth.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_06: So, yeah.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_06: We could be very happy not going to the gym.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_06: Any case, maybe you'll be lucky if you're one of the thousand that that doesn't have to do exercise to stay long and have in any case, I'm waxing.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_03: Or waiting, depending on how you want to look at it.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_03: Agency.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_06: But it's not that I it's not that it's not that I am now in control because I got out of no control.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's BS.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_03: You were never out of control.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_06: You decided to take control.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_06: And you don't know how that feels, and you don't know what to do.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_06: Therefore, when you go and you do your deep breath work, you're in control.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_06: You're vis viscerally in control of your breathing.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_06: And there's nothing closer to life than breathing.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_06: You can't most people can't control their heartbeat.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_06: You know, they say there's these monks in Tibet that can control their heartbeat.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_06: But you know, that would be a vodazaar if we try to do that.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_06: So but you can control your breath.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_06: You can feel it.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_06: You feel yourself.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_03: You feel me?
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_06: Why is it a vodas are because that's what they do in India?
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_06: I don't get this guy.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_06: But well, I don't really care about it.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_06: Now we're back to oh, but Hasidis has everything.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_06: So let's talk what is Hasidis replace breathing.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: Replace breathing.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean I don't know what he had in mind, but it doesn't matter.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: So to what you were saying last week about the idea of Hasidis has everything, but what really we ultimately concluded was Hasidis with a voida and obviously the Rebbe, that's everything.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: And that's creating agency in you and creating your Hasidus is giving you the tools.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, not creates agency, it shows on the agency that you have.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_06: Anyway, fine, you want to argue that or No, I want you to get it clear what you're talking about.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_06: So get don't show agency.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_06: You're the agent.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_06: You know, you're the Avis agent sitting at the desk telling the guy, I'm sorry, we don't have a car for you.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_06: You know, that's that's healthy.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'm in control.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'm the controller.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: So you're say so again, you're asking, so what is the Avoidazara?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: Is believing that you need to do breath work in order to experience this agency that you're describing.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I don't know what you mean.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_06: The A vodazara to me what's a vodazara when you really think about it?
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_06: We think of vodazara as like some primitive, you know, paint painted black man in Africa wearing wearing a tusk from an elephant in it through his nose and loin and loin and a loincloth drumming.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_06: And he believes that some like I don't know, tree is God.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_03: Okay?
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_03: A vodazara is this thing is gonna give me power.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_03: And without it, I don't have.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_06: If you come to breathwork, and this is the thing I don't get, and don't take me wrong.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_06: If you come to breathwork, and if you come you know, I'll let me give you a different example.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_06: Somebody came to me this week and told me they're attending a shear, and the shear is self-help through Tanya.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_03: Does that make sense to you?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: Does that resonate with you?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think that means if it does?
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: It means it it's implying that Tanya is part of Tanya could be extracted and used for, you know, self-healing, self-uh psychology, whatever.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what that's one of its functions to uh to what the Alta Rebo was trying to do.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_06: Have you experienced that?
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think I don't think in the way that they're describing, in terms of using it as uh it's not it's not supposed to replace a psychologist, if that's what you're saying.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_06: I don't know what their what you're saying.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_06: What do you mean what I'm saying?
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm saying I don't know what their intention is when it it's too open-ended for me to comment on it.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: Does Tanya have the answers to everybody's question about Votas Hashem?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what it says about it.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wait a second, no one's talking about a Votus of SM when they're going to be able to do that.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's my that's my point.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: But it talks about being being a healthy person and being able to get through depression and through other ailments that you could link to the ideas of mental illness or or only if you're doing a vote as shame.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why I'm saying it's not.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why I'm saying it's not.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm saying they're extracting the pieces.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm assuming.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: I again I don't know what you're referring to.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_06: Is it a self-help book?
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: So the That's why it disappoints so many.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: What do you mean?
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_03: Tanya disappoints so many people.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_06: Because they're looking at it as- How do I know it disappoints them?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_06: Guess why?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_06: Why that I know?
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_06: Because they're all going to do breath work.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so now link it to w what you were saying a vodazara is the what part of a breath work is a void of Azara.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm saying to you, as I originally said, the Avodazara is you.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_03: When you do a voyage of Shem because God wants you to do it, that's not a bodhazar.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_06: When you want to be healthy because God wants you to be healthy, that's not a bodhazara.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_06: When you want to be healthy so you should feel good, because it's my life and I want to feel good, well, you know, there's a lot of ways to feel good, baby.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's about obviously in a subtle way.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: Not in a halakhic way per se.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_06: So I say we come back full circle.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_06: A group of people got together, were unhappy, were trauma traumatized, etc.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_06: etc., and they did this thing called call of the chauffeur.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_06: And the entire Lababish structure felt like it was the Titanic hitting an iceberg.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_06: And while the well, I hate to say it like this, but while all the chairs were sliding down the deck into the Arctic cold waters, they were screaming, Hasidis has everything.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_06: So that they decided, okay, the whole thing is now put to sleep.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, went to sleep.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_06: The same desires, the same needs, the same reason why people are flocking to these kinds of things, led by guys who are tucker traumatized but look very um enlightened because they're willing to admit their trauma in public, so they're enlightened.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_06: Therefore and why is it that they keep going there?
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: That we don't seem to want to answer.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we've spoken about this a lot.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_06: And it f it kind of freaks me out that we're back to the same thing with the same people, with the same voices, defending the system because they all become traumatized if they don't do that.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: And what do we do in our own little um unimportant lives that's the same way?
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_06: Because I'm not here to uh I learned a long time ago, I'm not here to change the system.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_06: What do I do that's the same?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_06: What do you do that's the same?
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_06: What do I do that I lend helplessness as my crutch?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess it's just to redefine what you were saying.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: So it's helplessness, the feeling of helplessness is avoidazara that you're defining.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_05: Well you're giving your yeah, because you're giving your power to something else other than God.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah, so Ruven, where do you do that?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_06: Where do I give up my helplessness?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: Well, first of all, we have to I have to ask you You're asking for specifics.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: Because we already let out the formula.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: When I feel powerless and I give something else the power, that's a vodas are right.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not saying what you give the power to what your vote is.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_05: I'm saying you was wondering like Well, I mean you could you could do that too.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, listen, I I've done breath work.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that's going to be considered like uh you know controversial now.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: But apparently it's but like you were saying, it's not the breath work, it's how you're going into the breath work or how you're or what you're using the breathwork for, or the the way that he was putting it, which again is could be applied to pretty much anything, which is the fact that you have to keep on going back and back and back in order to be able to Do you have to doven every day?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm that's what I'm saying, is anything could be an addiction if you do it.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, dovening is not an addiction.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm not saying dovening, but I'm saying anything in general if you're using that formula.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_04: Being a cult buster could also be an addiction, so what?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, okay, we don't have to talk about it.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_06: We can philosophize down to the simplistic and just say let's all die or something.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: There's some cults that say that too.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, so so go on anyway.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was just qualifying.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want your specific Avodazaras.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: I want to know your helpless You want to know where I am when I'm helpless, what it is I feel helpless.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's what we were saying is actually what the real Avodazara is.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: But then you Yeah, is what what you're giving over, and then you know your outlets.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: So in this in this um I think in general my Avodazara is rooted in laziness.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_06: And the laziness comes from the feeling of a combination, depending on what we're talking about, a combination of either helplessness or impotency That's what I mean by helplessness.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_06: Either impotency or even if I do what I have to do or could do it's useless anyway.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_06: So either the impotency is in me itself or the impotency is in the action.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: That's my helplessness.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: And therefore I go to what a vodasara um fill the space of nothingness uh waste time complain watch a movie go to sleep, eat more, shoot the breeze with your whatever.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_00: And you're saying that's stemming from laziness?
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_03: Well, laziness, the way the author ever defines it right in the beginning of Tanya is at your slothful I asked myself a couple of weeks ago, how come when it goes when it comes to going to the gym, I do it every day.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: And even if I have to go in there for half an hour and stretch because I'm tired and I didn't sleep the night before, that's like every Sunday.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_04: Every Sunday to me is like the worst day of the week because Shabbos is here at the door.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_06: And I don't even eat that bad.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_06: But you're taking a few steps back, it's okay.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_06: So in any case, um so I asked myself, how come I can do that so easily?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_06: Relatively, even if I have a pushback not to go, I go anyways.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_06: But when it comes to everything else, both Tara and Mitz, as well as um my own uh objectives in life, um, I don't have that same goa.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_06: So it's one of the th I don't have the same output.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_06: And you said it already, because when I go to the gym, I get instant feedback.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I know that if I don't go, I'll get the opposite.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's visceral, it's tangible, boom.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_03: So that in a case that answers my question.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_06: So if I you know one of the things I saw this year in the Frida Karebbas Basilagani on the fifth parrot, which the Rebbe points out that the Frida Karebbe was predicting, knew that he was gonna be a Yut Shot situation.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_06: And he was gonna be nifter is that at the end of the Mimer, when he's talking about the difference in Shusti Kadush and Stushta Ulam, right?
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_06: The foolishness of this world versus the holy foolishness.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_06: So he says the shtus of this world is you have to eat at a set time.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_06: Five o'clock, you gotta eat, right?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_06: I grew up that way in my house.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_06: Five o'clock, you have to eat.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_06: It doesn't matter if you ate at four and you're about to throw up because you ate so much, it's five o'clock, you gotta eat.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_06: So he says that's a pattern, a minhog, whatever you want to say, a rule of the world.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_06: But when it comes to Tura and Mizpas, let's say learning Tura, okay, I'm not gonna dub in today so much, I'm not gonna learn so much because I've got other things to do.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_06: I'll do it, I'll do kitas tomorrow.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: So he calls us shtus of this world.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: I found that very fascinating because you know why he calls it shuss?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_06: Not because you don't do it.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_06: That's the scarvoinish lakewood way of looking at it.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_06: If you know what I mean.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, I was supposed to learn Torah and I didn't learn Torah, so it's shtus of ulmazah.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_06: That's not what he says.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_06: The Princuraba says, because you think you have the license to push off today for tomorrow.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_06: And quotes the measures that says a person never has the ability to say, please don't take me quite yet.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_06: He doesn't say in the in the Maimra Malachamabas, don't take me.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_06: Take let me get my affairs in order.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: And then take me.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_03: That's what he calls stus the of of ulamazeth.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: What's so what's the stus according to the Phil Korea?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_06: Not that you're not learning, even.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's the mentality of thinking that it's the headspace.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: You could do this.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_06: It's the headspace.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_06: Now, obviously if I pushed off kitas for ten years when I was a buffer, and then I'm now married and I do it even more, so I have license to think, I can continue doing it.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_06: But he's saying that's not the point.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_06: He's saying that's your hair gifts of life.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_06: I can push off today for tomorrow.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: So that's also my vote as well.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: Tomorrow.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm thinking about uh something I once read about how to create a new skill or a new not a new habit, I think it was a new skill where it's this idea that you have to need you need instant feedback initially of success.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: You need the abil you need the ability to talk about that in atomic habits.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: And and and the break the breakdown of of how to create that is really and and it's funny because this is society talks so much about what um what scrolling on your phone does to your brain.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: Is I mean that's the that's the avoidazara that we I don't know when an article is gonna come out about that, because it's just that's just what everybody is doing, is just addicted to their phone and what that what that does in in creating a false dopamine rush that's instant, but you know, pushes you to the next moment so that you could survive.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm thinking just in terms of like, okay, so breaking that pattern is a belief system that you're saying, effectively.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: You're saying it's a belief system that you let's use your laziness example.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: Better yet, let's let's use my scrolling example, because that's what I'm that's what I struggle with.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: That the idea of being able to sit with the uncomfortability of boredom or the uncomfortability of how I'm going to feel if I don't get that dopamine hit from scrolling or for wasting time on my phone, I'm going to create a new pattern of either belief system or I don't know if I'm saying this correct.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: You're not.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so help me out here.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know what you want to say, but when you scroll, you're not trying to create a different belief system.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm saying the scrolling, I'm saying that to stop scrolling would create the that's what I meant.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_06: Scrolling is your vodazara because it's giving you the feeling of agency.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_06: So to break that habit.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_06: This dopamine rush stuff that they talk about.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_06: The brain is gonna control you.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_06: I hate that crap.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: Even though it's true that there's dopamine and all this good stuff.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_03: Because you're in the shaman of goof.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 27:54
  unknown: Yeah.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_03: You're in the shamanagou.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, but my brain is doing it.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, I see.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_06: So now you're fighting your brain.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_06: That's what we've come down to.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_06: It's kind of like Darwinism.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_06: Maybe I can outsmart and evolve out of my brain.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_06: No, your feeling, let's go talk talk about it on a simple human level.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_06: I'm feeling helpless.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: The phone makes me feel powerful.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_06: Because I can click this and click that and see this and see that and think about it.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_06: It's like the guys who sit in the mikvah and talk politics.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_06: They think they're con they're gonna answer the world's problems.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone's looking for the feeling of I count.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_03: And that feeling itself is the vote of Zara, because you know what?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_03: You don't count until you unless you you don't count unless you realize that you don't count.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_06: We know what the major says, right?
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_06: So how could he be humble if he knew that he was the most unique person in the world?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it was all God.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's funny you you say that though, because the Chaban house world props up the Jew as the Kali Khan, how great they are, and how much kayak and potential, and you know, your your Torah and mitzvas are uh the the balance between you know Gula and and Gullus, etcetera, etc.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas the we've talked a lot about the the world of in the yeshiva that focuses on Bittl, that you're a nothing, that you don't exist, and that uh you don't have any uh contribution.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just noticing that now as you're saying this is Is that what they tell you in Yeshiva you have no contribution?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: The idea of uh unless you go in schluchis.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that and that you're no that you're but not only that, then it's the Rebis scenario.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's the Rebbe's kayak, and it's not you, and you don't have any Rebis Kayak.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm just I'm I'm just saying what I'm thinking about the contrast between those two is pretty interesting difference.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: When do you build up one side or the other?
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_06: When you're a snake oil salesman.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_06: So when do you build up one or the other?
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_06: What's the emos?
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: Both.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_06: What do you mean both?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Both are the emos.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: How are both of the You just said it?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: You count when you realize you don't count.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_06: So you tell him that he has a Khela kill a kayam imamish that takes him out of that drudgery of his hedonistic lifestyle.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_06: When you speak to a baker who apparently has some inkling that he's there on this planet because of God, etc.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_06: etc., you've got to address his nephew Bahamas, etc.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_06: But not because you're a sni a salesman trying to win more adherence to your cause.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_06: Well, that's a whole other discussion because I saw this program of someone who I respect very, very deeply who created a program of a bunch of secular professors teaching Pasidis.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_06: Right?
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_06: And they may be do there are sociologists and professors all over the world.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_06: Beautiful! They're now going to take Chasidis and create it as a self-help program.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_06: Philosophy.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, philosophy.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_06: I can't s I did not give up all the things I gave up for philosophy.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_03: And neither did Aristotle, as we know the famous story.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so g you know I I don't get it.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_06: I really don't get it.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_06: You know, the Rebbe says in this year's cycle of the sixteenth parag of uh time of uh Basiladani there's something cra it's very difficult memorium, but he says something there that's that's uh to me was mind-blowing.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_03: The Rebbe's talking uh about the the king.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_06: The king who has two versions of going to war.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_06: One version is he's an imperialistic, you know he wants the oil of the other country, so he goes to war.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_06: And in previous memory, the Reb explains that's a Sekel dick approach.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_06: And there's gonna be a time where it's not worth getting more oil, so he'll back up, possibly.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_06: But then there's the war of hey, buddy, I'm king.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_06: I'm the whole thing.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm gonna let go of everything.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_06: I'm gonna use anything and everything to preserve that I am king.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_06: That's different than I'm gonna take over your your oil.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_06: It's kind of like what the Iranian, uh, whatever the guy's name is, is probably feeling right now.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_06: Right?
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_06: He wants to go to war against all the protests because he's losing his kingship, or his dictatorship in this case.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_06: And the protesters are saying, I'm gonna fight for my identity and for what life is all about.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_06: I'm not looking for to control the oil of Iran.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_06: I'm looking to be.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so it's like a survival kind of level, a very deep, deep, deep level.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_06: This is who I am and what I am, and I'm gonna fight for it.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_06: And the Rebbe says that's the exact treasure house that was given over to fight the war that we are in right now.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_06: So the same concept that the king opens up his treasure house that nobody was allowed to look at, even the king didn't look at it, in order for the foot soldiers to win the war.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: And who is the foot soldier?
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: Us and what is he giving us that very same point of self that I am the king that will fight to pro to sustain my kingship.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: That's where we are today, says the Reverend.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_03: Is that philosophy?
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_03: Is that not gonna feel good?
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's a war.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_03: That's a that's a battlefield.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_06: The war of self.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_06: Who am I?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_06: That's why going back to breathing is so fantastic because I feel self.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_03: The breath is not the self, it's that I can control it as the feeling of self.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: When's the last time?
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_06: You know, one of the things that I've been focused on a lot for some reason is where the Rebbe Alta Rebbe says in Tanya, are you fighting the war commensurate with the burning baker's oven Yesahara that you have?
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_06: Right?
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_06: He even goes down to like are you saying birk and Hamazine properly?
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_06: Right?
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_06: It's a bit of the rice that the cult of a sabbath you eat and then you bless.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_06: And you know, like who could s I don't know, I can't I can't particularly say that I am, right?
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um living up to that war.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_03: What do I stand for?
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_03: A philosophy?
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_03: I stand for the Lubavitch incorporated.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_06: I stand for the you know, I saw I heard a Sheer where they mentioned something that I was really actually freaking out.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_06: The Sheer was about why do we not in we mean the Jewish world in the yeshiva world, learn more nach, more Navi and Ksuvim.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_06: Never mind Taira Parsha, but at least Nak.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_06: And he brings down a let uh machloikus that happened in a Litvisha yeshiva many years ago.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_06: We're talking a couple of hundred years, a hundred and fifty years now.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_06: I say Litvish because that's the source of the Litva.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_06: Where the head of that yeshiva, I'm I don't even want to say who it is, because I find it embarrassing, said to somebody who was going to be the Mishkiach in the yeshiva not to learn who he wanted to learn Navi, and he didn't want it.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_06: The head.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_06: And why not?
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_06: What will people say about us?
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_06: Meaning we're not learning complicated, deep bullying.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_06: We're only learning Tanavi.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't believe that that guy that that person wrote that.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: I was really blown away.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_03: I was like deeply disappointed.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: Like, where does that come from?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_06: I'm blown away because why do you care what the rest of the world in the Jewish world in the yeshiva world is gonna think about you?
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_06: If it's right, it's right.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_06: If it's not right, it's not right.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so I'm not gonna get involved in great Talmudicami that are wave, you know, I'm like a fly on the wall.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_06: Even less.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_06: I'm lice on the wall.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_06: So I get that I don't understand what I don't understand.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_06: But for myself we're talking about that the Rebbe is saying that's your that was given over to us, the Uitzer, the Tzivas Hashem, the the is the the treasure house is this idea of who you are as a netzachisla.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_06: And at the very least, you gotta ask yourself, what am I going to do in this situation right now?
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_06: You know, I was in Parsha's boy, boy el paro, right?
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_06: I know you know that the Rebbe in the last two years, I believe, maybe more, Boyelparo meant even going into the what the Zara speaks about in the positive, in the holiness of the place where all lights come from, and Moshe was afraid.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_06: So it says, Boy El Paro, come with me.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_06: I'll I'll get you in there, right?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_06: And that's Parsha's boy.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_06: And so that itself is like when you think about it in consequence of what we're talking about, Boy Alpara, you have the ability to go to the source of all lights in order to break the gullus.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_06: That's what the Reb is saying is Chasidis.
• 39:43
  unknown: Right?
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_06: He's saying uh case, the Matamala in Taklas is Chasid.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_06: So the uh Bashranti was told about Mashiach coming when he when Chasidis is so we go back to this all the time.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_03: Why don't we feel that we have power?
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_06: When we learn Hasid I'm not even gonna talk about the people who don't learn it.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_06: I'm talking about the chabadniks who don't learn it.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_06: I mean they're off the table off and guns me to say don't complain, don't fetch, don't grow a ponytail, and then go do breath work.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_06: You don't learn chasidas?
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_06: That's why you're doing all that stuff.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_06: That's why you feel unempowered.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_03: But what about the people who are learning chasidas and feel unempowered?
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_03: What's going on?
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_03: You learn chasidis every day.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_06: So I w Why is your life not full of power?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: I I mean I think you already said it before, when you think of it or treat it or use it as a philosophy.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_03: And you don't when you don't make it into a soldier in war.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_03: And you know what the war is.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_06: You know that's where the war is.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_06: I mean it's also you, but what is the war for?
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_06: I mean it is you in the end.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_03: Because you are the king.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_06: Because you're head like a guy mean mammoth.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_06: You are the king fighting for his identity.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_03: Let's go to war.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_03: Let's win the war.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean you've been listening to a street for bread, the production of budlife.tv studios that doesn't have to be a good thing.