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Summer 2026 Livestream Replay (Finding a Farmer for Your Land, Terrain Theory, and MORE!) · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and get started.
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SPEAKER_03: Please feel free to either type your message in the chat box or raise your, you know, raise your hand.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh, we do have some questions that were sent in by listeners, and we'll start with those.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh Nolan is on his way.
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SPEAKER_03: He had to drive from Joel's house to his house, so he'll join us maybe midway through.
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SPEAKER_03: All right.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, so this first question comes from Dan.
0:26
SPEAKER_03: This is from uh for Joel.
0:28
SPEAKER_03: Do chickens and cows eat bugs or only chickens?
0:33
SPEAKER_03: He says, I want to get this right.
0:36
SPEAKER_02: Uh that's a yeah, chick chickens only eat bugs.
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SPEAKER_02: Cows are herbivores.
0:41
SPEAKER_02: They, I mean, they might eat a bug just that happens to be on a blade of grass that they're eating, but uh cows, yeah, cows don't eat bugs.
0:49
SPEAKER_02: Chickens do.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
0:51
SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
0:52
SPEAKER_03: Okay, Rachel, do you want to go ahead?
0:56
SPEAKER_04: How are you guys doing?
0:58
SPEAKER_04: Great, how are you?
0:59
SPEAKER_04: I'm good.
1:00
SPEAKER_04: Um, my question's for Joel.
1:02
SPEAKER_04: Um, I have a feeling, I don't know what the answer is, but I have a feeling whatever it is, I'm not gonna like it.
1:09
SPEAKER_04: Um so we're we're on like an acre and a half homestead.
1:14
SPEAKER_04: Um and we're part of our property is wooded.
1:19
SPEAKER_04: And where my garden is, um it's kind of we had to clear it, clear space out of the woods to be able to put the garden in and take some trees down.
1:30
SPEAKER_04: Um and I now have a thistle problem.
1:33
SPEAKER_04: I've had that garden there for probably five or six years.
1:37
SPEAKER_04: We've done cardboard and wood chips and stuff for the walkways.
1:41
SPEAKER_04: You know, we have the Justin Rhodes raised beds and stuff, and the thistle from the woods is kind of like coming in.
1:48
SPEAKER_04: And at first it was just in the wood chip walkways.
1:51
SPEAKER_04: Well, you know, their underground root system is crazy, and now it's starting to come up in those really tall raised beds.
1:59
SPEAKER_04: So I'm trying to grow green beans, not thistle.
2:02
SPEAKER_04: Um I've tried I've tried that 30% vinegar, but there's just so much of it.
2:08
SPEAKER_04: Um I don't really know how to tackle it because I know their root system is pretty invasive.
2:18
SPEAKER_02: Um this is an odd.
2:26
SPEAKER_02: This is odd.
2:27
SPEAKER_02: So how how how deep are your raised beds?
2:30
SPEAKER_04: Oh, they're like the Justin Rhodes ones, you know, those big eight by four ones that he has.
2:36
SPEAKER_02: By how tall?
2:38
SPEAKER_04: Uh I mean they probably come up past my knees.
2:42
SPEAKER_02: They're pretty tall, so 24 inches?
2:46
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
2:47
SPEAKER_04: I knew you were gonna ask me math questions.
2:51
SPEAKER_02: And and th and thistles, you think those thistles are coming up from the bottom of those beds?
2:57
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
3:00
SPEAKER_02: I don't believe it.
3:02
SPEAKER_02: Well I just pulled some out earlier today.
3:06
SPEAKER_02: I I mean was the root was the root three feet long?
3:11
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I can't even get to the root because it's so deep, right?
3:14
SPEAKER_04: So like I'm having to pull it up in the walkways because it's now come underneath of the fence that we have, you know, around the garden.
3:22
SPEAKER_04: And now I mean if it's in the walkways, it's it is what it is, but now that it's coming up in the bed, it's only in that last bed, but now I'm worried, you know, that it's gonna continue to creep over into the other ones that I have.
3:38
SPEAKER_02: Huh.
3:39
SPEAKER_02: Uh are you are you mulching heavily?
3:42
SPEAKER_02: Do you have a uh heavy mulch on these beds?
3:45
SPEAKER_04: Um, we did like the Hugo culture, you know, when we first heavily wood chip the walkways.
3:56
SPEAKER_04: Like every spring we'll put down more cardboard and put more wood chips on top just because it keeps the weeds at bay, you know, and it it helps in the beginning, but you know, once you get to August, the garden is always a crazy jungle anyway.
4:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so my question is are the beds like you have green beans and stuff, is that heavily mulched?
4:16
SPEAKER_04: Um, I put pine bark mulch in the in the beds on top of the soil.
4:20
SPEAKER_04: Sorry, I didn't understand your question.
4:23
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
4:24
SPEAKER_02: Um how deep?
4:27
SPEAKER_04: Um not very deep.
4:30
SPEAKER_04: I guess I could try doing that deeper.
4:32
SPEAKER_02: Is it uh is it is it rotted pine bark mulch or is it um does it smell like pine?
4:40
SPEAKER_04: Um we just get it from a local garden center, so it's whatever you would, you know.
4:44
SPEAKER_04: I put it around my my my bed's around my house with shrubs and stuff too.
4:48
SPEAKER_04: So it's all right.
4:50
SPEAKER_02: Does it smell like pine?
4:52
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
4:53
SPEAKER_02: All right.
4:56
SPEAKER_02: Ah okay, so many nuances here.
5:01
SPEAKER_02: Um all right, so the the the pine, so I do sometimes put grass clippings, you know.
5:08
SPEAKER_04: When I mow I have a bagger, I'll put grass clippings in the bed as well.
5:12
SPEAKER_04: But yeah, last year I I feel like I had too much nitrogen.
5:15
SPEAKER_04: I was getting you know, awesome plants, but not a lot of fruit on my peppers and things.
5:20
SPEAKER_04: So I've been I've held back on the on the grass clippings because of I didn't get a lot of fruit on some of those plants last year.
5:29
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
5:32
SPEAKER_02: Well, um typically typically thistles are nature's way of protecting something that's wrong in the soil.
5:42
SPEAKER_02: Normally something that it doesn't have a good enough uh ground cover.
5:48
SPEAKER_02: The um the the pine bark mulch I would not use until you can't smell pine.
5:55
SPEAKER_02: You can smell pine, if you can smell pine, they're too fresh.
5:59
SPEAKER_02: Okay, and um and the soil will not view that as necessarily a friend right now, it'll view it as a friend later when it doesn't smell like like pine.
6:12
SPEAKER_02: But uh the rule of thumb for mulch is if if if you can tell the parent material, don't use it yet.
6:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I mean if you can if you can identify like the species of tree or the odor of whatever, uh you know, it it it should smell more like like uh humus if you can.
6:30
SPEAKER_02: Those but thistles.
6:34
SPEAKER_02: So are these Canadian thistles, bull thistles?
6:37
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
6:38
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what they are.
6:40
SPEAKER_02: I mean they grow like they grow like four five feet tall.
6:43
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
6:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
6:45
SPEAKER_04: I mean, uh out in the wooded area it's that big.
6:48
SPEAKER_04: And the other the other thing is, you know, we usually do pigs, we usually do a couple pigs out there, and um we didn't get them this year, so you know they'll root stuff up, but the the thistle's so deep, I don't think they're they're able to root that up, you know.
7:06
SPEAKER_04: So that that whole wooden area back there is just a jungle now because we didn't get them last year.
7:11
SPEAKER_02: So so the thistles, the thistles have come as nature's way of trying to heal what the pigs disturbed.
7:21
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
7:22
SPEAKER_02: Um so so thistles are attracted to to bare ground, to to broken spaces.
7:29
SPEAKER_02: That's why they have thorns on them.
7:31
SPEAKER_02: So they're basically telling the world, leave this patch of ground alone, you know, let us um let us grow here and and and heal this up.
7:39
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
7:39
SPEAKER_02: But thistles are extremely susceptible to to cutting.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they um you put on you put on some gloves, and I I can't believe that they're coming up from underneath the beds.
7:55
SPEAKER_02: I think the I think seeds, seeds are growing are are blowing onto the beds, right?
8:01
SPEAKER_04: Okay, I mean, some of it did go to seed out there, so it could possibly be from that.
8:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh, listen, the seed bank is way beyond our imagination.
8:11
SPEAKER_02: The seed bank is just there are billions and billions of seeds per goodness, you know, per almost per square yard, uh, that have built up even over centuries, and they're waiting for the right set of conditions.
8:27
SPEAKER_02: Here's the thing all plants that that come in, I mean, unless the stuff that you planted, but if it's stuff that's coming in naturally, they are responding to your management style.
8:40
SPEAKER_02: Now, your management can be uh can be the kind of mulch, it can be the kind of watering, it can be the kind of shade, it can be the kind of disturbance, but your your management is going to create a habitat that's going to attract whatever that wild uh vegetation is that coming in.
9:01
SPEAKER_02: And so thistles are indicative of uh generally open ground that's that's not vegetated well, and it's a protective mechanism, it's nature's protective mechanism to keep you away.
9:18
SPEAKER_02: So um uh probably, probably um you are not getting a proper deep enough mulch.
9:30
SPEAKER_02: When I say deep, I mean you know, six inches, um, mulch on that top, and you've got seeds that are sprouting because I mean a thistle like that will make a it'll make a a three-foot tap root.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: So it's a it's a wonderful soil aeration, soil building, you know, carbon creating uh system down in the in the soil.
9:53
SPEAKER_02: I I don't believe they're coming up from beneath.
9:56
SPEAKER_02: I think they're sprouting from on top, and they have they just have a great big root system.
10:00
SPEAKER_02: Sure no.
10:01
SPEAKER_02: Don't let them don't let them get big.
10:03
SPEAKER_02: Um put on a more a more decomposed kind of mulch, make it deeper, you know, six inches, and just let your vegetables be in little you know, grooves between the mulch and um and and um and keep keep pulling those thistles, you know, put on some gloves and pull them as soon as you can get your hands on them.
10:25
SPEAKER_02: And um I uh you should be able to get ahead of it.
10:30
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
10:31
SPEAKER_04: Um that that makes a lot of sense that it's not that you think it's not coming from underneath.
10:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I don't think it's coming from underneath.
10:38
SPEAKER_04: Okay, that's that's helpful.
10:39
SPEAKER_04: And then do you do you think that we need to go out into the wooded area and kind of just like you know, knock all that stuff down?
10:48
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah, it'd be it'd be great to go out there with a with a machete or something and um and uh wax stuff down.
10:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:55
SPEAKER_04: Okay, my husband just walked over and he's listening, so that sounds like a Dan job.
11:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a it's a great job for kids and you know, go out and with a machete and wax uh kid kids and kids and husbands, yeah.
11:08
SPEAKER_03: Okay, thank you so much.
11:10
SPEAKER_03: Okay, great, all right.
11:13
SPEAKER_03: I love that question, Rachel.
11:15
SPEAKER_03: Uh okay, Catherine, would you like to um ask your question?
11:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, hi, how's it going?
11:23
SPEAKER_05: Um before I forget, thistles.
11:25
SPEAKER_05: We've had um the last two years really working with thistles here on our property.
11:30
SPEAKER_05: Um, from what I'm hearing, if she thinks they're coming from underground, that would be Canada thistle.
11:36
SPEAKER_05: They do spread like an aspen tree underground.
11:40
SPEAKER_05: Um, we've had they do like where soil is hammered, like over-grazing pathways, that's where they tend to be.
11:49
SPEAKER_05: And so not over, well, if it's a garden, that's different.
11:52
SPEAKER_05: But um, if you can cut the flower head off right before it blooms, you start to starve the root structures out.
12:02
SPEAKER_05: But it takes years to get rid of Canada Thistle.
12:05
SPEAKER_05: But it does that one does go underground.
12:07
SPEAKER_02: And if you look at well, yeah, but but she but she said she had put she had put cardboard down and then put Hugo culture bed over top.
12:15
SPEAKER_02: So I can't.
12:16
SPEAKER_05: Oh, I can see Canada thistle doing that.
12:18
SPEAKER_02: That they would come through the cardboard, through the Hoogle culture bed, and then clear up through 24 to 30 inches.
12:24
SPEAKER_02: I I just don't believe it.
12:26
SPEAKER_02: I I think I think um I think it's it's they're they're they're big, yeah they're big plants.
12:31
SPEAKER_02: I mean, yeah, they are big plants, and I think it's coming from seed up on top of the up on top of the bed.
12:37
SPEAKER_05: But if you're gonna machete them, you you gotta do it when they have a flower, but it hasn't opened.
12:42
SPEAKER_05: Then you'll actually choke the roots out.
12:44
SPEAKER_05: Otherwise, they just put more energy into going more.
12:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's correct.
12:49
SPEAKER_01: That's correct.
12:50
SPEAKER_05: Um I I got half of your episode, your one that just came out today, and I just wanted to um sympathize with you, Joel.
12:58
SPEAKER_05: The frustration with farmers, the reluctance to change over.
13:02
SPEAKER_05: Um, we just had our hay delivered, and out here in Idaho, I do a lot of grains and peas and canola, and um, I just wanted to, I didn't know if you knew this, but they're subsidizing varley and peas and canola um kind of falls into this old land use thing.
13:21
SPEAKER_05: Um and they've been exporting hay over to Japan as long as we lived here.
13:27
SPEAKER_05: Um, and I you know, I said to the guy, because the when he delivered hay, he's like, I hate doing it, it's it's a terrible business.
13:33
SPEAKER_05: And but we get the subsidies.
13:35
SPEAKER_05: And he said, Um, I said, Well, what about beef?
13:38
SPEAKER_05: You know, we're importing it, you could do all this grazing out here.
13:41
SPEAKER_05: And he said, Americans don't want to eat beef, was his response to me.
13:46
SPEAKER_05: Um, so there's just a stubbornness trying to get it.
13:49
SPEAKER_02: That's why they're willing, that's why they're willing to pay 10 bucks a pound for ground beef, right?
13:53
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
13:54
SPEAKER_05: Um, so we've had a really interesting year out here.
13:58
SPEAKER_05: Um, and so I have a question for you, Cena.
14:02
SPEAKER_05: Um it's and I've I sent you guys a message about this.
14:07
SPEAKER_05: Um, I'm trying to learn about bercilosis.
14:10
SPEAKER_05: Um, so here in Idaho, um, it's pretty easy to sell raw milk.
14:15
SPEAKER_05: Um, the cows for any c any heifer in Idaho is required to receive the bercellosis vaccine before 12 months of age.
14:25
SPEAKER_05: And tangentially to this, I've been learning about um terrain theory versus uh the germ theory that viruses might not might not exist.
14:37
SPEAKER_05: Um but as far as I understand, Beck, um, bercellosis is a bacteria.
14:43
SPEAKER_05: Um so a lot of people are ignorantly not following the law because they don't know that they're supposed to be vaccinating their heifers.
14:52
SPEAKER_05: But in order to sell raw milk in Idaho, you have to.
14:57
SPEAKER_05: You have to have had that cow vaccinated and they have to be tested annually now.
15:02
SPEAKER_05: Um so the what ended up happening, so we had the permit and then we stopped for three years and then we rejoined, and we thought we were gonna grow the raw dairy stuff.
15:14
SPEAKER_05: And um the two cows that we re-entered with had been in the program before.
15:18
SPEAKER_05: They had been vaccinated.
15:20
SPEAKER_05: When they do that, they put in a metal, they used to put in a metal ear tag, and then they tattoo their ear.
15:27
SPEAKER_05: Well, three years or had lapsed, and so and a new vet came out, and she was just out of college, and so she didn't know me, she didn't know my cows.
15:35
SPEAKER_05: In that interim, the ear tag had fallen out of she was now six, a six-year-old cow, and her tattoo was not legible.
15:45
SPEAKER_05: So this new vet was like, well, I don't know what to do, because this gets into state law stuff.
15:51
SPEAKER_05: And in the background, as I started to ask my friends about this, I had one friend who had kind of adopted a cow who had never been vaccinated, and the state was threatening to put the cow down if she didn't vaccinate it.
16:05
SPEAKER_05: Um and then another one I because I dug in, I heard these stories, another one, the vet was telling her she either had to butcher the cow or basically promise never to sell it.
16:18
SPEAKER_05: So they get really weird about this vaccine.
16:20
SPEAKER_05: So my cow had been vaccinated, but they couldn't prove it.
16:23
SPEAKER_05: She had, you know, the scars in her ear because the tag had fallen out twice before, but they didn't care.
16:28
SPEAKER_05: So it went to the state.
16:30
SPEAKER_05: And um the thing about the burstellosis vaccine is that um it's really toxic when you're dealing with a raw milk cow because it sheds through the milk.
16:39
SPEAKER_05: And um the the outbreaks that I have found in the United States associate with raw milk are because cows come into a raw milk herd from a state that didn't require the vaccine into a state that did.
16:53
SPEAKER_05: The cow gets that vaccine, it sheds, and it uh the worst thing, besides making people sick, is it it causes abortions in women because that's what burcilosis does to cows, and it that's what it does to women.
17:06
SPEAKER_05: So when my case went to the state, um I had I would I was selling milk and um without a permit, but um one of the ladies was pregnant, she was six months pregnant at the time, and I ended up having to talk to the guy at the Idaho State Dairy Board or whatever, and uh, he said, Well, you have to revaccinate her.
17:25
SPEAKER_05: And I was like, Well, we know that this can make people sick, and I have a woman who's you know six months pregnant and this could cause an abortion, and he said, That's correct, but this is a risk we have to take.
17:37
SPEAKER_05: And I was so appalled by this by that response.
17:41
SPEAKER_05: Because this is supposed to be about human safety, right?
17:44
SPEAKER_05: This whole process, and it's really just checking boxes.
17:48
SPEAKER_05: And because it was about vaccines and everything you know our country has gone through since 2020 with vaccines, and I've learned as a parent with vaccinations as parent kids and stuff, I was so mad.
17:59
SPEAKER_05: And I we decided we weren't gonna grow the raw dairy.
18:02
SPEAKER_05: I just didn't want to be a part of it.
18:04
SPEAKER_05: Um, and but that led to me to look well, what is actually in the shot, what's happening, and the first thing that came up was that they're not using it as mRNA technology right now, but this is ready to go.
18:18
SPEAKER_05: And this is a vaccine that they are giving all the time.
18:23
SPEAKER_05: So, my question for you, Dr.
18:24
SPEAKER_05: Cena, is what do you know about bercellosis?
18:28
SPEAKER_05: Do you know anything about that vaccine in particular?
18:31
SPEAKER_05: Because I can't find ingredient lists.
18:34
SPEAKER_05: Like, you can find more information about a human vaccine.
18:37
SPEAKER_05: I'm not finding much about an animal vaccine.
18:40
SPEAKER_05: Um, but I I really want to know like the what the terrain theory would be about bercilosis, like how were cows contracting this?
18:49
SPEAKER_05: Was there a particular situation?
18:51
SPEAKER_05: Um, because they're blaming it on the bison herd around Yellowstone.
18:55
SPEAKER_05: So any state that kind of surrounds the bison herd there, that's where you see the requirement.
19:00
SPEAKER_05: And um yeah, isn't that a bad story?
19:05
SPEAKER_03: I know that's so sad.
19:07
SPEAKER_05: I know.
19:08
SPEAKER_05: I was disgusted.
19:09
SPEAKER_05: I was so disgusted.
19:11
SPEAKER_03: And my gosh, just a whole nother level of just government overreach and yeah.
19:18
SPEAKER_05: Oh, and when they came back and for to rejoin the program, they've moved to the RFID tags.
19:25
SPEAKER_05: Um, and so that's not an option.
19:27
SPEAKER_05: You can't go back to the metal clips.
19:29
SPEAKER_05: And I know John Moody has talked about um like come and tag it, you know, with like because they're trying to move to this in Idaho, which is such so funny because we think of Idaho as this red conservative state.
19:40
SPEAKER_05: They are already doing this stuff, they're already requiring a vaccination, they're already moving to radio frequency ID.
19:46
SPEAKER_05: Like, we're we're already there.
19:49
SPEAKER_05: And there's, you know, it's I don't know how to get there's sort of like a willful, willful um disobedience is what we're choosing to do right now with our new one.
20:00
SPEAKER_05: We're not we're not going to vaccinate.
20:02
SPEAKER_05: Um, but um, yeah, so but I just I I like to be informed if I'm gonna be like, oh, I'm not gonna vaccinate.
20:10
SPEAKER_05: I want to be informed about that that dis-ease of like how how is it presented in the in history, and um I just can't find much information about it from that perspective.
20:22
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
20:23
SPEAKER_03: Uh Joel, do you already know about this condition?
20:28
SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:30
SPEAKER_03: Okay, maybe you start because the question about what's in the vaccine, uh I have not researched that particular vaccine in cows.
20:39
SPEAKER_03: I can, and um, and I'm happy to do that unless uh I know Doug, you raised your hand.
20:45
SPEAKER_03: Does somebody else already know the answer to what's in that vaccine?
20:49
SPEAKER_03: Nope.
20:50
SPEAKER_03: Joel, do you know what's in the vaccine?
20:52
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I don't know.
20:54
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so um, Catherine, if you'd like, I mean, I'm happy to, you know, research and find out what's in the vaccine.
21:02
SPEAKER_05: And yeah, I don't know where to go.
21:04
SPEAKER_05: I mean, if you can point me in the direction, I don't know, like we talk about mercury or formaldehyde.
21:10
SPEAKER_05: Are those things in this one?
21:11
SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
21:11
SPEAKER_05: I can't figure it out.
21:14
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
21:14
SPEAKER_03: So I'll look, I have more done research into what's in human vaccines, you know, and come up with a list of those.
21:21
SPEAKER_03: But um, but I'm happy to look, and you know, a lot of it is me searching on different websites that I think are reputable and then tracing it back.
21:31
SPEAKER_03: Like you have to, you can't just take their word for it.
21:34
SPEAKER_03: You know, you have to keep tracing it back to reputable sources when people make these claims.
21:38
SPEAKER_03: But I'm happy to do that part um of it, and I can post it on um on on the Discord channel if that's helpful, like whatever I'm finding for the components in that vaccine.
21:48
SPEAKER_03: But Joel, do you want to jump in and give your two cents on this?
21:54
SPEAKER_02: Well, I just I just while you were talking there, I grabbed my Merck, my Merck veterinary manual.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Which is the that's that's my that's my go-to for I mean I know it's Merck, but this thing is uh whatever it is, fifth 1500 pages, and I I use it religiously for diagnosis, and uh I don't use it for for curing uh because almost all the cures are some sort of Merck Merck uh drug.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: Solution.
22:20
SPEAKER_02: But listen, but listen to this.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: When you said this, I I didn't know that I didn't know this.
22:26
SPEAKER_02: Um the human disease, also called undulant or malta fever, is a serious public health problem.
22:36
SPEAKER_02: It's a contagious disease primarily affecting cattle, swine, sheep, goats, and dogs.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: Um it characterized by abortion in the female, um prevalent in most of the world.
22:50
SPEAKER_02: Okay, the disease in cattle is caused almost exclusively by Brucella abortus.
22:56
SPEAKER_02: So that's the Latin Brusella abortus, but occasionally BR Suisse or BR meltins are isolated.
23:04
SPEAKER_02: Bovine brucellosis is now less prevalent in the USA than formerly because of vaccination and eradication programs.
23:10
SPEAKER_02: A few states are virtually free of the disease.
23:14
SPEAKER_02: Um let's see if let's see if it says uh testing, testing control.
23:24
SPEAKER_02: No, no, practical effective treatment is known.
23:29
SPEAKER_02: And efforts are directed at control and prevention.
23:32
SPEAKER_02: Uh eventual ratification eradication of the disease depends upon testing and elimination of reactors.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: So so generally, so generally I don't have any problem with the test.
23:47
SPEAKER_02: And if the test is negative, then why do you have to vaccinate it?
23:51
SPEAKER_05: Amen.
23:53
SPEAKER_05: And that was when this it's when this thing happened, they do a TB test at the same time.
23:58
SPEAKER_05: So we had like a 48 or 72-hour leg in all of this process.
24:02
SPEAKER_05: So her blood test had come back negative by the time I spoke to the guy at the state.
24:08
SPEAKER_05: Another layer of the story was I contacted there's a guy, he actually lives pretty close to us, but he's a a state veterinarian, so he's a he's private, but he basically works for the state.
24:18
SPEAKER_05: So if like a TB test came back positive, he would go out and recheck before they would say the cow had to be put down.
24:25
SPEAKER_05: I called him and I was just ran, I told him what happened, and I was like, This is I uh what's going on here?
24:31
SPEAKER_05: And he asked me three times during our conversation if I was recording our conversation.
24:36
SPEAKER_05: He said, if you're recording our conversation, and I've asked you, like, you can't use anything against me.
24:41
SPEAKER_05: And he said the burcilosis vaccine is the biggest headache in his world because Idaho is really um it's pretty easy to do raw dairy here.
24:51
SPEAKER_05: Um it used to be um you had the tape, the the state used to come out and check your milk once a month, they don't anymore.
24:57
SPEAKER_05: It's completely up to the producer.
24:59
SPEAKER_05: And with 2020, with so many people moving into the state, people have just grown these huge dairies.
25:06
SPEAKER_05: And um, it's great because it's on the shelves, but what the vet was seeing was that people are buying these cattle from like Washington doesn't require the vaccine, and they they buy them in from other dairies in Washington and Idaho.
25:19
SPEAKER_05: So you have a cow out of the safe window of 12 months because she wouldn't, there's no way she could shed if she's not pregnant at that age, um, and shed into milk.
25:29
SPEAKER_05: And he these cows come into these raw dairy herds and they have to get vaccinated to be part of it.
25:36
SPEAKER_05: And then he's like, this is the uh he's like, what we need is unethical vets who are willing to vaccinate without telling anybody.
25:42
SPEAKER_05: You know, that's like it's just it's this this vaccine, it just opened up a wormhole of just grossness.
25:51
SPEAKER_05: Like in your beyond labels, right?
25:53
SPEAKER_05: People are thinking the raw milk they're buying on the shelf in the beautiful plastic or glass container with the nice label is perfect because it has the state-approved license on it.
26:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
26:05
SPEAKER_05: There's there could be burcilosis vaccine shedding into that milk, making people sick, and then raw milk takes the hit as making people sick.
26:13
SPEAKER_05: When it was really the government stepping in and vaccinating, now I as far as I know it hasn't happened yet, but it just once you know it's like you can't unknown.
26:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
26:23
SPEAKER_02: Uh the the the last sentence here is is telling it says, when it is desired to go beyond control to eradication, test and slaughter are necessary.
26:36
SPEAKER_02: In other words, vaccination is not is not a cure-all.
26:39
SPEAKER_02: If you want to really eradicate, you have to test, and if an animal has it, you slaughter it.
26:45
SPEAKER_02: And continued vaccine and continued vaccination, listen to this, and this is in the Merck Veterinary Manual.
26:52
SPEAKER_02: Continued vaccination poses the problem of interpretation of positive test reactions.
27:00
SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
27:01
SPEAKER_02: You vaccinate the animal, and then you get positive tests.
27:06
SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
27:07
SPEAKER_05: This it's it's and we're and they're requiring this by law.
27:10
SPEAKER_05: And I'm it's just I you know, I don't know what I don't know what to do.
27:15
SPEAKER_05: I mean, just I mean, we're gonna break the law.
27:17
SPEAKER_05: I hope we never get caught.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: It's like isn't that disobedience works?
27:23
SPEAKER_05: That's what I mean.
27:24
SPEAKER_05: Like we have a you know, okay, I anyway, yeah.
27:28
SPEAKER_05: It's just so, but you know, as I question vaccines and their efficacy, and are they just really just toxins that we're poisoning our population with?
27:37
SPEAKER_05: If if again, you know, I can hear about you know, virus theory isn't real, but bacteria are real.
27:43
SPEAKER_05: So if how were those cows getting sick and passing it to people?
27:49
SPEAKER_05: That would be my what where I'm at right now.
27:53
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that that's a CNA question, not a me question.
27:56
SPEAKER_05: You know, because it did happen, you know, people undulin fever got passed.
28:01
SPEAKER_05: And I mean not from the vaccine.
28:03
SPEAKER_05: I mean in legit cows got sick.
28:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
28:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:07
unknown: Yeah.
28:08
SPEAKER_05: Because I don't, yeah, you want to avoid it.
28:10
SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
28:12
SPEAKER_03: Well, and it's it's funny because uh Joel and I just recorded two podcasts today, right before this, and one of them we talk about this germ theory versus terrain theory.
28:21
SPEAKER_03: So the perfect timing for your question.
28:24
SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, so I mean, I've studied both.
28:27
SPEAKER_03: Obviously, I was trained under germ theory, and then I learned um, you know, terrain theory.
28:33
SPEAKER_03: I'm a big supporter of terrain theory.
28:36
SPEAKER_03: So uh basically we would say so.
28:38
SPEAKER_03: Germ theory is in a nutshell, you're saying that there's one target organism, like they've targeted organism here.
28:45
SPEAKER_03: Um, it makes you sick, and the body will tend to develop, you know, antibodies to it to fight it.
28:52
SPEAKER_03: And oh, where'd you go?
28:54
SPEAKER_03: Okay, there you are.
28:55
SPEAKER_03: Um, sorry, people shift around and then I'm like, I lose eye contact.
28:59
SPEAKER_03: So the body develops antibodies to fight it, um, you know, along with other um inflammatory responses.
29:07
SPEAKER_03: Um and once it's fought it and cleared it from the body, then you know you're healed of this disease and you're supposed to be able to reproduce it.
29:17
SPEAKER_03: So, in a lot of ways, we can say that that um it doesn't fit Koch's postulates.
29:23
SPEAKER_03: So we just talked today about how with Lyme disease, for example, you can have elevated antibodies to uh borrelia and you can not have Lyme symptoms.
29:34
SPEAKER_03: The same with um Alpha Gal, um Alpha Gal syndrome.
29:38
SPEAKER_03: You can have antibodies to Alpha Gal and not have Alpha Gal syndrome or any symptoms whatsoever.
29:45
SPEAKER_03: You can also have uh you know test positive for strains of E.
29:49
SPEAKER_03: coli that we would say are pathogenic in germ theory terms and staff and strep, the list goes on and on, and you can have no symptoms.
29:59
SPEAKER_03: So to me, this is part of um disproving at least part of germ theory, if you will, uh because you because just because you have the antibodies doesn't mean that you know you have a sickness.
30:15
SPEAKER_03: So what we would say is that in in germ theory, you basically treat the body as a a whole organism, it's a holistic approach, and so you want balance.
30:25
SPEAKER_03: It all comes back to homeostasis, balance of the system.
30:30
SPEAKER_03: And so what happens is if you already have some kind of underlying imbalance in the body, it can make you more susceptible to being exposed to something else.
30:41
SPEAKER_03: So, for example, we've talked about today with Lyme.
30:45
SPEAKER_03: Um, if a tick bites, it is it is an injection, right?
30:50
SPEAKER_03: Um, so whether it's a vaccine injection or a tick in injection, there's something injected into the body, it's bypassing the gastrointestinal tract.
30:59
SPEAKER_03: So the reason that's damaging is because uh you can actually develop a sensitivity to something that's you know injected into the body or that bypasses your gastrointestinal tract because, for example, you might have leaky gut.
31:13
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
31:14
SPEAKER_03: So it gets into the body and then you have a sensitivity, and then when you're exposed to that thing again, like um alpha gal, you can develop symptoms.
31:24
SPEAKER_03: This has been shown since the early 1900s, in fact.
31:28
SPEAKER_03: But why do some people develop the sickness and some people don't?
31:32
SPEAKER_03: That's the big question.
31:33
SPEAKER_03: That's where I think terrain theory really fits in.
31:37
SPEAKER_03: So if we go into a hospital and let's say they're having like a C.
31:42
SPEAKER_03: diff problem and like you get it and I don't get it, but we're exposed to the same things.
31:49
SPEAKER_03: We're touching the same things, we're breathing the same things.
31:51
SPEAKER_03: How come I'm getting like you're getting it and I'm not getting it?
31:55
SPEAKER_03: And so the thought is that that would mean that in this example, you have this imbalance somewhere, a leaky gut.
32:02
SPEAKER_03: You have maybe heavy metals in the body, maybe you have mycotoxins, maybe you're consuming glyphosate, which is causing leaky gut and leaky brain.
32:10
SPEAKER_03: So your terrain isn't balanced and it made you susceptible to it, so that you don't have the right mic microbes in the gastrointestinal tract in the right balance to be able to integrate that new exposure into your body seamlessly.
32:24
SPEAKER_03: So it's kind of like it when I explained this to my kids, I ex I explained it in a way that this really made sense to them.
32:31
SPEAKER_03: If someone's going to school and there's like a new kid that shows up in the school, the kids that were already in the class can either accept that kid into the tribe and they can live like symbiotically together, right?
32:45
SPEAKER_03: Or the kids have a choice to kind of bully that kid and isolate that kid.
32:50
SPEAKER_03: And that meaning that kid is a problem.
32:53
SPEAKER_03: And when you do that, the original kids that were in the class are exerting a lot of effort to keep bullying that kid, right?
33:01
SPEAKER_03: To keep like pinpointing them that something's wrong.
33:03
SPEAKER_03: And they want to try to get other kids on their side to basically gang up against that one, that one kid that they've targeted.
33:11
SPEAKER_03: It's a similar situation in the body.
33:13
SPEAKER_03: If if you you know, if you sit back and really think about what's happening, the body doesn't want to be attacking things, the body wants to conserve its energy and be in a state of rest and digest and repair.
33:24
SPEAKER_03: And so it wants to get along with other things that you're exposing it to.
33:28
SPEAKER_03: If and that's that's more of a terrain theory, right?
33:31
SPEAKER_03: If it integrates well in and you have the right balance, then that should be a seamless integration.
33:37
SPEAKER_03: You shouldn't have any quote unquote symptoms.
33:40
SPEAKER_03: If you're not in balance and you integrate something else in, then let's say you don't have enough of like lactobacillus, for example, or a bifido.
33:50
SPEAKER_03: And um, oh hey, Nolan.
33:52
SPEAKER_03: Um, and then something's introduced into your microbiome, for example, in the gastrointestinal tract, and you don't have enough of those good microbes that I hate that term, but enough of those microbes to balance it out, then that one microbe that's been introduced can actually grow and take over.
34:09
SPEAKER_03: This is one reason why there tends to be a delay in exposure and then symptoms in some cases, like with Lyme or with Alpha Gal, you can see a delay in part because you know the microorganism is is building up.
34:23
SPEAKER_03: So I hope this is a it's a really complex topic.
34:26
SPEAKER_03: I hope I'm explaining this right.
34:28
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm not right.
34:28
SPEAKER_03: I hope I'm explaining this in a way that makes sense.
34:31
SPEAKER_05: Well, yeah, because I've been doing my research and I'm part of the Weston Price Foundation, and this has been a hot topic with them now for a while.
34:38
SPEAKER_05: And they've had several different people addressing this, and they're all kind of bringing a different thing.
34:44
SPEAKER_05: Like parasite, you know, we talk about terrain theory.
34:46
SPEAKER_05: Parasites aren't bad, they're cleaning something up, don't get rid of them.
34:50
SPEAKER_05: And others are like, parasites are causing cancer, you know.
34:53
SPEAKER_05: But when it comes to viruses, I'm to the point where like I just think it's fooie.
34:59
SPEAKER_05: Um, and I I it just doesn't add up to me.
35:03
SPEAKER_05: But bacteria are different, and one of the best ways I'm trying to understand terrain theory when it comes to bacteria is if you think about a compost pile, you would go out to a compost pile, be full of bacteria, but you wouldn't say, let's kill the bacteria, because it's cleaning something up, right?
35:18
SPEAKER_05: It's it's trying to get there.
35:20
SPEAKER_05: So if there's a bacterial infection, again, this is where I'm I'm I'm we I'm not understanding it.
35:26
SPEAKER_05: If you take your body or a sick cow with burstolosis, or um I had remembered I had an infection in my finger one time.
35:34
SPEAKER_05: Like, well, what do you do?
35:35
SPEAKER_05: Do you just let that infection run rampant because the bacteria are trying to clean something toxic up, like potentially lose a finger or lose a life, or make you know what I mean?
35:45
SPEAKER_05: Like when it comes to bacteria and terrain theory, I'm still not quite understanding how you know, and like so.
35:54
SPEAKER_05: I think about in James Harriet's books when there was the outbreak of burcilosis in his cattle, and I look back now.
36:00
SPEAKER_05: Sorry, girls, girls, sorry.
36:04
SPEAKER_05: Um when I look back, those cows were living in these like stone cold, like half underground dairy things.
36:12
SPEAKER_05: We know now they were using arsenic all over the place.
36:15
SPEAKER_05: I mean, were they exposed to some toxin?
36:18
SPEAKER_05: And it was that was what was happening.
36:21
SPEAKER_05: I guess when I'm trying to really dig in on burcilosis, like anybody in this camp of like it's it's not a bacteria that you can prevent with a vaccine, which obviously Merck is saying agreeing with, what is it?
36:35
SPEAKER_05: That's where I'm trying to figure out.
36:37
SPEAKER_05: What is it?
36:37
SPEAKER_05: What was causing that?
36:39
SPEAKER_05: Like, we know certain things are related to the arsenic that they were using.
36:43
SPEAKER_05: Do we do we possibly?
36:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I don't have I don't have a specific answer, but I can tell you this.
36:51
SPEAKER_02: In our uh uh decades of of farming with you know, certainly now millions of animals, I can tell you that every time we've had an uh an outbreak of something, um it was our fault.
37:08
SPEAKER_02: There was a there was a breakdown in the nutrition, sanitation, comfort, genetics, all sorts of things.
37:19
SPEAKER_02: And so, yeah, the thought that how did we survive, how do we survive until vaccines is just is just nuts.
37:28
SPEAKER_02: And so I would suggest um you're right, those swill dairies, of course, Weston A price has been great on identifying those those early swill dairies as hotbeds of brucellosis.
37:41
SPEAKER_02: Why the the animals were in uh 12 inches of raw poop with Fed uh uh brewery brewery uh distiller's grains, brewery grains, their their uh rumen was you know uh 1.1 and a half um pH too low and all sorts of issues.
38:01
SPEAKER_02: So um so you know I yeah, I I I don't I don't think that the brucel brucellosis is a is a um is a problem, and if it is, we probably did something to create it.
38:20
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and I that's I just I guess maybe I also just needed to talk out loud about it with people that think about it because I I'm just in my head and I'm all I'm coming up with is you have to do it by law, you know, and any research, it takes me right into it immediately.
38:37
SPEAKER_05: The first thing I saw was this mRNA technology, and then the you know the RFID tag, I'm like, this ain't what I'm looking for, you know.
38:44
SPEAKER_05: But um, so that story ended.
38:47
SPEAKER_05: I'll wrap it up because I got so mad, and it's it's always strange to get mad on the phone with someone you don't know, but when he told me like we have to risk aborting this woman's six-month child, um I it's just it's just fetal, it's just fetal tissue, don't you?
39:03
SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh, I was so mad.
39:05
SPEAKER_05: I I I I I let him know I was really upset, and that I said, I would rather shoot this cow in the head today than re-vaccinate her.
39:13
SPEAKER_05: He said, Well, I'll tell you what, if you can prove without a shadow of the doubt it's the same cow as the one that you're claiming it was, we'll see what we can do.
39:22
SPEAKER_05: So now I'm trying to compare a six-year-old jersey to a one-year-old jersey.
39:28
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, no markings, yeah, yeah, but but God is good.
39:31
SPEAKER_05: He put this weird little golden angled stripe on her nose that you could see when she had her ear tag at 12 months old and when she had now.
39:39
SPEAKER_05: So my case quietly went away, but my my frustration didn't, you know.
39:45
SPEAKER_05: Um, so and here I am now.
39:48
SPEAKER_02: Good for you.
39:49
SPEAKER_02: Good for you.
39:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so thank you.
39:51
SPEAKER_05: Okay, thank you guys for talking about it.
39:53
SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Rachel.
39:56
SPEAKER_03: Well, I love that.
39:58
SPEAKER_03: Thank you for sharing, Catherine.
40:00
SPEAKER_03: And that that's a great example too of why I think it's so important to have this community so that you can connect and know that you're not alone and you're not crazy in what you're thinking, and you know, even if it's unorthodox.
40:14
SPEAKER_03: So uh I appreciate you bringing up that question.
40:16
SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, and bringing us into a little snippet of of your world.
40:21
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and that would be something, you know, as you guys talk about topics on the show, you know, just where the mRNA stuff is with the food supply, I would be interested to stay on top of that too.
40:31
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
40:32
SPEAKER_02: All right.
40:33
SPEAKER_02: That's great.
40:35
SPEAKER_02: Well, they they don't they don't want us to know, I can tell you that much.
40:39
SPEAKER_05: Oh no, when they're coming with that shot for the cows, I mean, if they switch over to the mRNA version, I don't know if they'll tell any of the cattle owners.
40:48
SPEAKER_05: They're just saying, Well, this is what we do now.
40:51
SPEAKER_05: And that I gave it to a cow at four months once and it almost killed her.
40:55
SPEAKER_05: And when I called the vet because she was dying, um, she said, I said, Well, it's gotta be the vaccine.
41:01
SPEAKER_05: You just gave it to her 24 hours ago.
41:03
SPEAKER_05: So, oh no, that just means there was something else wrong with the cow.
41:09
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
41:11
SPEAKER_02: So it's that's called brainwashing.
41:14
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and they are.
41:16
SPEAKER_05: That's what's weird about new vets, too.
41:18
SPEAKER_05: You know, they're just like all they think about is none of them will drink raw milk.
41:22
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you know, they've all grown up with hand sanitizer their whole life, and they just pumped right out of a university.
41:28
SPEAKER_05: They don't even think about anything else.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: Glenn Glenn's had his hand up for a while.
41:36
SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Joel.
41:37
SPEAKER_01: Hey, uh, what I was gonna address was the fact that we tried really hard to get you back to the farmers' meeting at the at the White House, uh, and it didn't happen.
41:46
SPEAKER_01: I had spies in that meeting.
41:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh the Maha mothers came out of it furious because what the meeting really proved, even with the farmers that were there, was that they did not understand what is regenerative farming and what is its goals, and the money that was allocated is to develop more waste, have more fertilizers and better regulations to regulate uh our farming community.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: Uh what Catherine's talking about here, my farm was only five miles away from where you're at, Catherine, down at Deerie.
42:19
SPEAKER_01: And when I was there, we didn't have I had it, I had testing every month for my raw milk, and we didn't even consider or check for that vaccine.
42:30
SPEAKER_01: I had 250 cows, and I didn't have a single one of them vaccinated.
42:35
SPEAKER_01: And there was a reason behind that.
42:36
SPEAKER_01: It was called selective disobedience, because on the other area that I'm talking about here, where the funding is going to developing more and better fertilizers to put on our plants in a country that's already got 96% industrial farming using glyphosate and other things that we know are dangerous and causing cancer and autism and things, uh, they're just going to fund how to create more and have more regulations to make sure you do that.
43:04
SPEAKER_01: But I went to Doug Wilson, who's with the Christ Church there in Moscow, after glyphosate started to be used on the lentils, because Moscow is the lentil capital of the world, they realized that glyphosate increased production, much like when they first started exporting the uh the hay there over to Japan and to Saudi Arabia.
43:23
SPEAKER_01: And that very first year I walked into a meeting and told him, because my wife and her medical background and working with the community, I had to inform that pastor that his congregation that year, kind of directly related to use of the glyphosate, had 38 miscarriages in a single year.
43:47
SPEAKER_01: And all of a sudden he starts saying, Oh, maybe we mean to start paying a little more attention to to how we're doing our farming around here and that sort of thing.
43:55
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the problem.
43:56
SPEAKER_01: And I I know your food sovereignty talk didn't get to the President Joel, but uh I don't really think they understand the impact of the industrial farming and all these vaccines and the fact that they are using mRNA vaccines now in the pork, they're gonna wind up, it's gonna come out for the cattle.
44:15
SPEAKER_01: Uh, this is stuff that's gonna show up down the road that we're gonna have to make a decision on.
44:20
SPEAKER_01: And I think there's gonna be a decision of uh do I do this knowing it's gonna cause possible physical uh harm to its population, or do I just say no and start standing against it?
44:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
44:34
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
44:36
SPEAKER_02: Good.
44:36
SPEAKER_03: It might be, you know, Doug, too, what do you think?
44:39
SPEAKER_03: It might be a catalyst to get some people to start growing and raising their own and supporting their local farmer, right?
44:48
SPEAKER_03: Or or like paying like for polyface to have uh product shipped to them.
44:54
SPEAKER_03: I mean, it might be something that finally pushes that needle.
44:58
SPEAKER_01: Totally agree with that because uh I just brought in 20 cows, uh 10 cow calf pears uh this last week because I said, listen, I don't trust anything now that I'm buying out there on the commercial market as to how it's been raised and what it's been treated with and how it's gonna affect.
45:15
SPEAKER_01: I'm one of those people, I'm on your side, Cena, because I have tested positive for Lyme, TB, and anthrax.
45:23
SPEAKER_01: And I don't have any of those symptoms and I'm doing fine.
45:27
SPEAKER_01: But I was you know, uh so uh and even although we kind of had to debunk it with Fausty yesterday, but if you go back to look at some of his videos, he's like, no, the best immune system to develop your immunity is to be exposed and let your own body develop the antibodies.
45:44
SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
45:45
SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
45:46
SPEAKER_03: That's one thing that like the natural immunity, I think that really wasn't talked about enough.
45:51
SPEAKER_03: I mean, they were censoring us from talking about it, but I think not enough people understand that.
45:56
SPEAKER_03: And most people who I know, like family and friends who aren't in the movement, you know, they don't watch our podcast.
46:05
SPEAKER_03: They're like, what's natural immunity?
46:07
SPEAKER_03: Like so, I think we've really fallen short on even trying to get that word out there and explain it, you know.
46:16
SPEAKER_03: But it's so you you are a great example of terrain theory.
46:22
SPEAKER_03: And but that's a really hard thing to explain to somebody because we're so ingrained in germ theory, you know, as was I.
46:30
SPEAKER_03: Um, but you're walking proof of it.
46:32
SPEAKER_03: So that's what to me, it it's just part of it's common sense, but it is a huge leap to get somebody to move from germ theory to terrain theory.
46:41
SPEAKER_03: So I I understand the difficulty.
46:44
SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, it was much like with COVID, uh people over for the last 50 years have been I will use the term brainwashed uh sparingly, uh, to believe that the government's gonna promote the best practices and they're gonna do things to look after its population.
47:01
SPEAKER_01: And I don't think we can say that anymore.
47:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:10
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
47:11
SPEAKER_03: I'm assuming you watch the whole uh uh that was one of the podcasts we did today was talking about the the hearing.
47:18
SPEAKER_03: And yeah, I I suffer through the whole three hours.
47:22
SPEAKER_01: Well, see, I have a I have a problem with it to start with, and I'll get off real quick because I don't want to be talking a bit more about that.
47:28
SPEAKER_01: But my last job for the government was I was the advisor to the organization that Fausy ultimately answered to to develop COVID.
47:37
SPEAKER_01: And so I saw it happen, I saw it happening.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: I knew when the level four uh 143 got shut down, when the funding got transferred to Wuhan, when I saw North Carolina, University of North Carolina get told don't do this anymore, people are gonna see you're doing gain of function and you've got to get it out of country and get it to China so people can't watch.
47:56
SPEAKER_01: I mean, there was a lot going on, and uh they knew it, uh, but they would not tell the population uh that what was going on because the government didn't want anybody to know.
48:06
SPEAKER_01: It creates fear, first of all, and second of all, stop to what they were trying to do.
48:10
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
48:12
SPEAKER_03: Well, I think for anybody who's who wants to see it, now it's in the open.
48:17
SPEAKER_03: So you know the truth is there if someone wants to see it.
48:21
SPEAKER_01: Indeed.
48:22
SPEAKER_01: We will be back on the farm at Polyface here.
48:25
SPEAKER_01: The uh you've got a uh you've got two things going on in in August.
48:30
SPEAKER_01: I think we're coming to the one on the 15th or the 16th or something like that.
48:34
SPEAKER_01: Cool.
48:35
SPEAKER_01: Good.
48:36
SPEAKER_01: Look forward to seeing that.
48:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm gonna miss you.
48:39
SPEAKER_03: I'm coming out for the brownstone event at the end of August.
48:42
SPEAKER_03: Are you coming to that?
48:43
SPEAKER_01: I think that's the one we're coming to.
48:45
SPEAKER_01: I think we're gonna go there.
48:46
SPEAKER_01: There was one before that, but I think we're gonna go there.
48:48
SPEAKER_01: We just had the book we wrote on the use of ozonated glycerin for a lot of these problems accepted by the Library of Congress.
48:55
SPEAKER_03: That's fantastic.
48:56
SPEAKER_01: So we're pretty hacked, pretty excited about that.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I think we'll be there for the brownstone event.
49:01
SPEAKER_03: Oh, cool.
49:02
SPEAKER_03: Okay, then I'll get to meet you in person.
49:04
SPEAKER_01: Be good.
49:06
SPEAKER_03: Okay, and Nolan's gonna take over for the last portion.
49:10
SPEAKER_00: Sounds good.
49:11
SPEAKER_00: Sounds good.
49:11
SPEAKER_00: Um, in a few minutes, we'll do our little lightning round.
49:14
SPEAKER_00: So if anybody has a really quick question that you guys want to ask, um, you know, 30 seconds or less or so, and uh Joel and Cena can answer it in hopefully under five minutes.
49:24
SPEAKER_00: Um we'll see we'll see how that goes.
49:25
SPEAKER_00: But uh be thinking about that, but we're gonna go real quick to uh one chat question, which is for Joel.
49:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, Joel, are your meatbirds regular Cornish cross from a hatchery or jumbo Cornish cross?
49:39
SPEAKER_02: They're regular Cornish cross from a hatchery.
49:41
SPEAKER_02: How's that for a short answer?
49:43
SPEAKER_00: Hey, that's beautiful.
49:45
SPEAKER_00: That's beautiful.
49:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, another question for Joel, too.
49:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, this is uh an email question that we get in.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: You can also send your questions via email.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, this is from Clint.
49:54
SPEAKER_00: He's a Beyond Labels listener and a former regenerative cattle grazer near Athens, Georgia.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, this is kind of a summary just because the email was pretty long, but he's looking for a regenerative farmer to take over the lease on his 350-acre turnkey grazing farm.
50:08
SPEAKER_00: The property includes 175 acres of fenced pasture, cabin, customer base, and is located in a thriving local food community.
50:17
SPEAKER_00: His goal is to keep the land in regenerative agriculture rather than see it leased to a conventional producer.
50:22
SPEAKER_00: And so I kind of just summed it up as how do landowners who want the their land to go to regenerative agriculture find farmers to take over said land?
50:35
SPEAKER_00: The age-old question.
50:36
SPEAKER_02: That's one of the biggest uh biggest problems right now in agriculture.
50:42
SPEAKER_02: You know, farmers are aging out.
50:43
SPEAKER_02: The average farmer's 60 years old.
50:45
SPEAKER_02: And uh, how do you find new blood?
50:47
SPEAKER_02: Your kids are gone, maybe you didn't treat them very well, or uh maybe they had other, maybe they had other well, I mean, a lot of farmers don't want to, they won't let their kids own a pencil until they're gone, you know.
50:59
SPEAKER_02: And so um so a lot of these farm kids are and a lot, a lot of farmers don't want their kids to uh be involved in the farm because it's you know they don't they don't like it themselves.
51:12
SPEAKER_02: And um so the the best um the best approach is you've got you've got to start circulating in places where you might find somebody, whether it's uh you know, Stoppman Grass Farmer, Acres USA, Weston A.
51:28
SPEAKER_02: Price Foundation, Farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund, uh, you know, Pennsylvania Sustainable Ag Organization.
51:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, there's there's there's organizations all around, and you've just got to make your presence really known and start looking and um and start a start a vetting process.
51:49
SPEAKER_02: Most people start this way too late in their life.
51:52
SPEAKER_02: And um and and you know, we need to, if you're if you're a farmer and you're 40, you need to think about what's gonna happen in 20 years.
52:02
SPEAKER_02: That's the way it is.
52:03
SPEAKER_02: But uh, I mean, I I wish there was a I wish there was a magic bullet, but um, but there's not.
52:10
SPEAKER_00: All right, great.
52:12
SPEAKER_00: Um over to Dr.
52:14
SPEAKER_00: Cena.
52:15
SPEAKER_00: So uh my question is from the glyphosate.
52:17
SPEAKER_00: This is Katie.
52:18
SPEAKER_00: Question for is from the glyphosate and sauerkraut episode.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: I would like to know the specifics of how and when to apply brine to my garden.
52:26
SPEAKER_00: I did a brief search on YouTube uh for Don Hubert but did not find any specific instructions.
52:31
SPEAKER_00: I make sauerkraut for our about six families and have an abundance of brine that I would like love to start utilizing in my garden.
52:37
SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
52:38
SPEAKER_00: Is there any anything out there on this?
52:41
SPEAKER_03: Sure.
52:42
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
52:43
SPEAKER_03: So let me look.
52:45
SPEAKER_03: Um okay, so in general, you want to dilute it, right?
52:51
SPEAKER_03: Because the brine can have a lot of salt in it and that can dehydrate the soil microbes.
52:57
SPEAKER_03: Um, so the one of the keys is a massive dilution.
53:01
SPEAKER_03: Uh the actual dilution factor, I'd have to see if um the researchers listed it, but they did they did more not a garden, but you know, large-scale application.
53:11
SPEAKER_03: So if you did um a dilution that's like one to a thousand, for example, one to a thousand to start with, because you don't want to kill your, you know, whatever you're trying to grow, uh, one to a thousand would be around like for a gallon, uh, it would be like three-quarters of a of a teaspoon of the sauerkraut juice.
53:35
SPEAKER_03: So you definitely want to make sure you dilute it sufficiently.
53:39
SPEAKER_03: Um, and you want to make sure the water doesn't have chlorine in it, of course, because it could kill the microbes.
53:46
SPEAKER_03: And then you want to drench the soil, not like the foliar.
53:52
SPEAKER_03: You want to the foliage, you want to drench the soil uh because this they want to get it down into the web where the glyphosate residue is gonna be, and they can unlock some nutrients there.
54:03
SPEAKER_03: And so you pour that diluted mixture right over the root zone of the established plant, and ideally you're gonna do it away from the sunlight, so early morning or late evening.
54:17
SPEAKER_03: And if you could time it perfectly, it would be just before like a light rain, because the light rain is gonna help um bring the bacteria deeper into the into the soil, and um frequency, yeah.
54:32
SPEAKER_03: I think it just a large part depends on um you know the soil content, like how much glyphosate is actually there.
54:41
SPEAKER_03: But people usually talk about doing it like once every two to four weeks during the growing season.
54:51
SPEAKER_03: So hopefully that helps.
54:53
SPEAKER_03: It was under five minutes.
54:55
SPEAKER_00: Hey, very good, very good.
54:57
SPEAKER_00: All right, we've got uh we've got time for one more question.
55:00
SPEAKER_00: So if we don't have any folks raising their hand over here, we'll go back to an email.
55:07
SPEAKER_00: Going once, going twice.
55:09
SPEAKER_00: All right, um, let's go over.
55:11
SPEAKER_00: This is from Ryan.
55:12
SPEAKER_00: This is for Joel.
55:14
SPEAKER_00: Uh, we'll wrap up with this one.
55:15
SPEAKER_00: Our family has recently bought property and moved into Athens, Tennessee.
55:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, looks like we've got Athens, Tennessee, and Athens, Georgia today.
55:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're building a new farm and home from scratch on 38 forested acres.
55:29
SPEAKER_00: My question is there seems to be an abundance of old chicken houses here that are being torn down and sold off.
55:35
SPEAKER_00: Specifically, the trusses are available on uh Facebook Marketplace.
55:39
SPEAKER_00: What are your thoughts or concerns with using them for open barns and farm buildings?
55:44
SPEAKER_00: My thoughts are smell first and then cleanness or fecal matter in the wood pours.
55:49
SPEAKER_00: Are there possible health concerns over using them?
55:53
SPEAKER_02: No, boy, I'd use those in a heartbeat.
55:55
SPEAKER_02: I'm a I'm a scavenger, uh, Fred Sanford.
55:58
SPEAKER_02: If it's cheap, get it.
56:00
SPEAKER_02: Um uh I mean you you could you could power wash it.
56:03
SPEAKER_02: In fact, you could even uh put a little bit of you know uh vinegar or something in your power washer just to be sure if you want to you know spray down with a power washer.
56:12
SPEAKER_02: But uh no, um no, if you can if you can scrounge something up at um at lower cost, use it.
56:22
SPEAKER_00: Wonderful, wonderful.
56:23
SPEAKER_00: And it looks like we have actually uh two minutes left.
56:25
SPEAKER_00: So we might uh we might hit one more real quick and then we will we'll wrap up for the day.
56:31
SPEAKER_00: Um let's see here.
56:32
SPEAKER_00: Uh last one, another one for last one for Joel.
56:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh we moved again, all these people moving to the acreage and wondering what to do.
56:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, a little over a year ago, they moved to some acreage, and there are a lot of underground rodents.
56:47
SPEAKER_00: Uh our ground is already sandy and soft, so the rodent tunnels and mounds do not help.
56:51
SPEAKER_00: We're starting to get more mounds than grass in areas, and it's not safe for our horses.
56:55
SPEAKER_00: Oh, there's there's your favorite word, because it can damage their legs.
56:59
SPEAKER_00: We've had bad issues because of it.
57:01
SPEAKER_00: They also push up our portable netting stakes, so the uh net sag over.
57:05
SPEAKER_00: I've tried trapping, but don't catch a bunch, but I've also gassed before, and that didn't seem to help.
57:10
SPEAKER_00: That's uh Cena's favorite thing, too.
57:12
SPEAKER_00: I do not want to poison them since my great Pyrenees and Quarries do hunt them.
57:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, what are our options?
57:18
SPEAKER_00: Would pigs help?
57:20
SPEAKER_00: We know they tear up the land, but thought they'd help root out the tunnels and burrows too.
57:26
SPEAKER_02: I wonder I wonder what these things are.
57:28
SPEAKER_02: Are they moles?
57:29
SPEAKER_02: Are they are they prairie?
57:30
SPEAKER_02: Are they uh pocket pocket gophers?
57:33
SPEAKER_00: I mean, um yeah, it's not clear not clear.
57:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh so I'm thinking cats, but uh yes, pigs, pigs absolutely would uh would would destroy those.
57:48
SPEAKER_02: Um if it's uh if it's something small and the ground is loose, you know, if it's that loose that it won't hold up uh uh the netting, um possibly even chickens scratching, you know, consistently scratching.
58:02
SPEAKER_02: But um I'm thinking cats or pigs or uh better yet, get rid of the horses.
58:09
SPEAKER_00: And with that, we'll uh we'll end it right there.
58:13
SPEAKER_00: Thank you everybody for uh joining us on uh our quarterly Beyond Labels uh live stream.
58:19
SPEAKER_00: And thanks to uh Joel and Dr.
58:21
SPEAKER_00: Cena for giving up their time to be able to make this happen.
58:24
SPEAKER_00: And uh we thank all of you as well for taking out uh an hour of your day to to spend it with all of us.
58:29
SPEAKER_00: So thank you all so much, and and we'll uh we'll see you all in the next one.
58:34
SPEAKER_02: Thank you all.
58:35
SPEAKER_02: Bye bye.