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Before Colin Kaepernick was Blackballed...He was DOMINANT | Bomani Jones & Charles McDonald · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 1: Wave. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Right Time, a
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Speaker 1: five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined
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Speaker 1: to believe you are a hater. We are doing a
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Speaker 1: bit of a historical series right now as we looked
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Speaker 1: up and realized that this month is 10 years since
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Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick decided to set things on fire by literally
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Speaker 1: sitting next to the water cooler. That's all it took
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Speaker 1: for him to set the world on fire. So we
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Speaker 1: got a whole series of episodes that we want to
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Speaker 1: do talking about that, looking back on it. But I
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Speaker 1: think the biggest thing we talk about, and I think
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Speaker 1: it's very important, is that the reason that Colin Kaepernick
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Speaker 1: was a big enough deal to generate all this interest
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Speaker 1: in the first place It's because Colin Kaepernick was a
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Speaker 1: really good football player. The part that gets forgotten. So,
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Speaker 1: talk about that part. We got my man in here now,
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Speaker 1: Charles McDonald, here to join us. I can't quite think
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Speaker 1: of what the best way is to introduce you other
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Speaker 1: than Tortured Falcons fan.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely relevant to this discussion. Very relevant to
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Speaker 2: this discussion. This is actually really funny, and I don't
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Speaker 2: really have a way to introduce myself yet. Maybe by
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Speaker 2: the time this comes out, people will know, but Not
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Speaker 2: homeless anymore. Not homeless anymore. Yes. Yeah, after a very,
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Speaker 2: very strange summer. But yeah, the Falcons are very relevant
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Speaker 2: to this story because I think they're part of the
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Speaker 2: Kaepernick story in terms of just his play on the
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Speaker 2: field and how he really just kind of put belt
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Speaker 2: to ass in a way that felt very familiar to
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Speaker 2: Falcons fans over the second half of that game. But man,
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Speaker 2: like just... It really just feels strange that we've already
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Speaker 2: hit the 10-year mark since that season and the last
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Speaker 2: time you played because I remember that was more when
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Speaker 2: I was an online person on Twitter and I was
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Speaker 2: getting into arguments. I look back, I'm like, man, why
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Speaker 2: did I waste time?
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Speaker 1: All the time, yeah. Yeah, look at Ben Carter. He's like, yo, man.
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Speaker 1: I thought I was helping make change. And maybe I was, right? Like,
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Speaker 1: I think I can point to some things. But let
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Speaker 1: me tell you this. That motherfucker taking a knee right now,
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Speaker 1: somebody else is going to have to get out there
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Speaker 1: and engage in the fight, at least on that front.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm up here operating
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Speaker 1: more like a general. Maybe I'm deploying people.
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Speaker 2: But... Yeah, yeah. Because it was the Kaepernick season and
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Speaker 2: then the Lamar Jackson draft, like, back-to-back years, basically. And
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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, man, I.
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Speaker 2: I've made my stances clear, but we had a little
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Speaker 2: burnout on this, you know? No, no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: So here's what it was. It was Kaepernick season one.
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Speaker 1: Then it was the year Kaepernick didn't play, which was
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Speaker 1: year one of the Trump term.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: Then the next year was the Lamar Jackson, which is
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Speaker 1: also the Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, Josh Rose, and Sam
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Speaker 1: Donald draft. Like it was a, it was a lot
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Speaker 1: going on, but I want to hit rewind before we
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Speaker 1: get to there. And I want to ask you this,
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Speaker 1: if you can remember it, I probably should ask you
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Speaker 1: this before we started the show, but whatever we hear now.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember the first time that you became aware
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Speaker 1: of Kaepernick as a player?
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Speaker 2: Oh, it was definitely his last year at Nevada. The
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Speaker 2: Boise State game that year was when I was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I don't really know what this is. This player is
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Speaker 2: fascinating just when you look at the size and speed.
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Speaker 2: Just kind of like the raw power that made him
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Speaker 2: a fascinating NFL player, too. But also... like the pistol
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Speaker 2: offense that Nevada was like using that year that really
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Speaker 2: had kind of got them kind of to like the
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Speaker 2: heights of, of what Nevada football possibly could be and
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Speaker 2: has been since then. They went like 13 and one,
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Speaker 2: they finished in the top 10 or right outside the
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Speaker 2: top 10. They had the Boise state game that year
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Speaker 2: where it felt like they absolutely couldn't stop him in
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Speaker 2: overtime victory late in that game. And it's funny because
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Speaker 2: I was, I was talking to, you know, our buddy
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Speaker 2: Nate ties a couple of days ago and he was doing,
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Speaker 2: you know, he's doing his Wisconsin Badgers propaganda, mid-2010s Wisconsin
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Speaker 2: Badgers propaganda, but he was showing the top offenses in
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Speaker 2: the country from the 2010 season by advanced statistics, and
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Speaker 2: there was Nevada number two, you know, on the EPA
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Speaker 2: per play, and that was like all Kaepernick. When you
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Speaker 2: go back and you go and watch some of those
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Speaker 2: games and see how just dominant he was within that offense,
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Speaker 2: it really did kind of change the sport and obviously
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Speaker 2: put him on the radar where he damn near ended
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Speaker 2: up a first-round pick.
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Speaker 1: So I remember for me, In 2008, I was emailing
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Speaker 1: with my old buddy, the OG, Bruce Feldman. And 08
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Speaker 1: was a year of a lot of really good young
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks being out late. That was Terrell Pryor's freshman year
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Speaker 1: at Ohio State. That was Russell Wilson's. red shirt freshman
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Speaker 1: year at NC state. That was Robert Griffin's freshman year
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Speaker 1: at Baylor. Like it was a lot of guys that
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Speaker 1: was out there doing it. And I remember he asked
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Speaker 1: me to put my quarterbacks in a list that he had.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember everybody. Like I think Blaine Gabbert, like
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Speaker 1: it's kind of on that list too, but like, I
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Speaker 1: can't remember everybody that I had, but I remember that
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Speaker 1: my top two guys in some order, I think my
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Speaker 1: number one was Griffin and my number two was Wilson.
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Speaker 1: I remember that I think Bruce also had Griffin at
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Speaker 1: number one because it made me feel very good about
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Speaker 1: my abilities to evaluate stuff. But his number two was Kaepernick,
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Speaker 1: of whom I had never heard. I was totally unaware
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Speaker 1: of who this person was. I was just like, huh?
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Speaker 1: Ain't that something? And I didn't bother to go find
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Speaker 1: out more. And if I'm being honest, it's probably because
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Speaker 1: I might've thought that he was a Caucasian. So I
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Speaker 1: didn't really, I was going to find out soon enough.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I was like, huh?
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Speaker 2: We all have the moment though. We all have the
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Speaker 2: moment though. Yeah. Like I remember, uh, He was like,
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Speaker 2: there's this quarterback named Colin Kaepernick, and he's a Kappa.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you guys talking about? If somebody
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Speaker 1: gave me the Kappa part, I'd have been extra confused
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Speaker 1: because I thought he would have been like a white
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Speaker 1: people Kappa. And for those who do not know, the
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Speaker 1: white people Kappas, they are Confederate. But anyway, so he
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Speaker 1: tells me this about Kaepernick. I don't really get into
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Speaker 1: figuring out who he is. But I do remember, and
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Speaker 1: I didn't watch that Boise State-Nevada game. And for people
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Speaker 1: who don't remember this or were not of age to
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Speaker 1: know what happened in this game, Boise State had, I
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Speaker 1: forget who they beat in the bowl game in 09,
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Speaker 1: but 2010, Boise State was a legitimate national championship contender.
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Speaker 1: And it was, you know, For many reasons, like a
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Speaker 1: provocative question as to whether or not a team that
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Speaker 1: played in the Mountain West could be that good. But
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Speaker 1: they had been good now for a very long time.
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Speaker 1: I want to say that's the year that they played
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Speaker 1: Virginia Tech early in the year in D.C. And they
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Speaker 1: went and won that game like they had one of those.
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Speaker 1: We can beat the teams that you think we need
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Speaker 1: to beat. And they get all the way to the
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Speaker 1: end of the year and they play against they play
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Speaker 1: against Nevada. And I will always remember that after Kaepernick
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Speaker 1: has set the world on fire. There was some woman
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Speaker 1: at a game at Boise State that had a sign
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Speaker 1: that said, we hated Kaepernick before it was cool. And
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Speaker 1: the reason that they hated Kaepernick before it was cool
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Speaker 1: is because he ate they asses up out there. Right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Big, tall, strong, ridiculously fast dude running an offense that
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Speaker 1: if you were really like deep in the woods of
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Speaker 1: college football, I think you understood what was going on
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Speaker 1: with the pistol. But the truth was, unless you were
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Speaker 1: really what Chris Alt was doing there, unless he was
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Speaker 1: out here watching Nevada football, it had really started working
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Speaker 1: its way into other offenses, right? So I've heard about
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Speaker 1: this kind of, for me, it was almost like some
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Speaker 1: old school stuff where you just hear whispers about guys.
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Speaker 1: Like I hear there's this dude that play at Eisenhower
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Speaker 1: High School. They say he a beast, right? And then
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Speaker 1: maybe somebody goes across town and checks him out, right?
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Speaker 1: We didn't, like the internet was not deployed in the
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Speaker 1: way for us to become as aware of all these
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Speaker 1: people as we might have. But he becomes that dude
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Speaker 1: The 49ers drafted him in the second round in 2011.
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Speaker 1: And for those of you who don't remember, Cam Newton
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Speaker 1: was the number one pick in 2011. And then some
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Speaker 1: terrible whites went after him. in the first round. And
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Speaker 1: you're like, why am I referring to them as terrible whites?
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Speaker 1: Because being white is how Blaine Gabbert, the athlete playing quarterback,
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Speaker 1: Jake Locker, I don't think I'm missing anybody in the
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Speaker 1: first round.
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Speaker 2: Christian Ponder was in that first round too. They had
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Speaker 2: the famous Sports Illustrated cover and they were like, which
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Speaker 2: one do you take? I'll take the one that basically
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Speaker 2: took a team that had One of the NFL players
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Speaker 2: that made it off that offense in the late Philip Kirkson-Mimer,
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Speaker 2: I forget, the fullback tight end guy, and then Nick
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Speaker 2: Fairley on defense. And they went to Alabama, to Alabama,
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Speaker 2: against a defense that ended up having eight or nine
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Speaker 2: first-round picks on it all the way through because C.J.
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Speaker 2: Mosley was a freshman on that team even though he
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Speaker 2: still played. And they won. Dude, why would you not
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Speaker 2: take that guy?
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Speaker 1: Well, I want to be fair to Sports Illustrated on
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Speaker 1: that one. Knowing a little bit about how things work,
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Speaker 1: I know what happened. And I really submitted for me
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Speaker 1: when Pete Thamel went down there and tried to get
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Speaker 1: Honey Badger for that interview that time and couldn't get him.
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Speaker 1: And then they just had a stock photo of Honey
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Speaker 1: Badger on the cover with a monochrome background. Clearly, the
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Speaker 1: interview they tried to get with Cam Newton they could
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Speaker 1: not get. And I'm pretty sure it was because it
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Speaker 1: was after that icon entertainer quote, right? Peter King got
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Speaker 1: from him. So they couldn't get a feature with Cam.
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Speaker 1: And so they're like, well, damn, now what do we do?
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Speaker 1: And so they had stock photos of all the guys
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Speaker 1: and they throw them out there. And Sports Illustrated is
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Speaker 1: good for a yellow ass inflammatory headline, right? They love those.
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Speaker 1: And so they put that out there. Yeah, we've been
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Speaker 1: talking crazy about that shit forever. But I bring all
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Speaker 1: that up because the second round, I want to say
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Speaker 1: that the pick before Kaepernick was Cincinnati.
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Speaker 2: I think it was, yeah, I would say Andy Dalton.
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Speaker 1: And they took Andy Dalton, right? which I think looking
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Speaker 1: back on it was an interesting choice because Andy Dalton,
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Speaker 1: even if as game manager, I think was ready to
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Speaker 1: start in the NFL and did, and they immediately became
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Speaker 1: like a division champion level program. They drafted AJ Green
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Speaker 1: in the first round. I mean, for a second round pick,
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Speaker 1: they did all right with Andy Dalton.
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Speaker 2: He was a good second round pick, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the next pick was Colin Kaepernick. And it was
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Speaker 1: Harbaugh's first year with the 49ers. And It manifests itself
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Speaker 1: when you get into 2012. But the thing that I
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Speaker 1: didn't quite realize is that any player that a team
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Speaker 1: takes in the second round is a player that a
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Speaker 1: team expects to become a starter. Maybe they are not
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Speaker 1: a starter tomorrow. But second round is for starters, right?
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Speaker 2: 36 overall, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's a starter. But I mean, they drafted
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Speaker 1: Alex Smith and Smith turned, who had been roundly considered
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest busts at quarterback that there had been,
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Speaker 1: though he got five years to be there. Harbaugh, the
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Speaker 1: quarterback whisperer, gets there. there is an improvement from Alex
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Speaker 1: Smith and Alex Smith has that great game in the
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Speaker 1: 2011 NFC championship game, right?
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Speaker 2: Like it was a.
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Speaker 1: Great game and then had a bad game in the NFC.
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Speaker 1: The NFC division round was the great game. The NFC
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Speaker 1: championship was the bad game where he couldn't convert a
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Speaker 1: first down. Like, I think I forget how many first
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Speaker 1: downs they did not convert on passing. And that gave
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Speaker 1: us this Eli Manning shit that we still got to
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Speaker 1: deal with. Cause then he got two Superbowls.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I think the Alex Smith part of this
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Speaker 2: is so important because, look, I get like when Alex
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Speaker 2: Smith goes on his– sometimes on social media you'll see
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Speaker 2: him talking about, man, we got to give these quarterbacks
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Speaker 2: more time to figure things out. But we can find
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Speaker 2: a happy meeting between like what he got and what
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Speaker 2: some of these other guys get maybe where they're booted
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Speaker 2: after a year because, man, he was bad for five years.
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Speaker 1: Five years.
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Speaker 2: Five years, like, really bad. And then, ultimately, I think
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Speaker 2: the Kaepernick pick, it's very illuminating, even when you have
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Speaker 2: that season with Jim Harbaugh, because, okay, well, we waited
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Speaker 2: six years, and this is it. Like... It was fine.
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Speaker 2: It was better than what you were. But ultimately, like
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Speaker 2: you knew it wasn't going to be like some gunslinging
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Speaker 2: stuff that could win you a championship or have like
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Speaker 2: the upside. It was it had been six, seven years
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Speaker 2: at that point. And you really hit the ceiling. So
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Speaker 2: I think the pick, like it makes sense. And for
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Speaker 2: him to get that runway in the first place, I
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Speaker 2: think when Harbaugh gets there, you're like, OK, no, this
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Speaker 2: is not enough. Need a little bit more. And then
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Speaker 2: they go get like the powerhouse out in Nevada of
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Speaker 2: Kaepernick coming off the season he had that year.
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Speaker 1: I think that's correct. But I also, 2012, the 49ers
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Speaker 1: were really good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Like, they were marching through that schedule. And Alex Smith
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Speaker 1: was averaging, like, not averaging, like a completion percentage, like
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Speaker 1: in the 70% rank. He was on super game manager
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Speaker 1: status as we'd all tried to figure out, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: can you game manage your way to a Super Bowl?
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Speaker 1: By this point, Joe Flacco has not won a Super Bowl,
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Speaker 1: but Joe Flacco is not a game manager, right? When
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Speaker 1: it comes down to it, if you need to make
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Speaker 1: a big play down the field, Joe Flacco's got that
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Speaker 1: for you. One thing I remember from that 2011 season
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Speaker 1: with Smith was, Remember, that was the Randy Moss comeback season.
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Speaker 1: And Randy Moss was still getting open deep. And Alex
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Speaker 1: Smith was not looking at him. And we had never
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Speaker 1: seen a guy not look at Randy Moss. I personally
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Speaker 1: can't really do that. So anyway, we're about halfway through
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Speaker 1: this season. Alex Smith is concussed in a game. Kyla
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Speaker 1: Kaepernick comes in and starts. I want to say it
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Speaker 1: was a Monday night game against the Bears. And Well, buddy,
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Speaker 1: things look different. Like things looked very, very different when
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Speaker 1: he was in the game and they won. But look,
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Speaker 1: end of the day, man. Goddamn. Alex Smith was the
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Speaker 1: dude that was making all the money. He had been
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Speaker 1: good that year. That team was good. You don't disrupt
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Speaker 1: all of Harbaugh made that boy starter. He had that
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Speaker 1: one start. It went well. And he was like, yep,
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Speaker 1: this is what we're going to do now. Yeah, they
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Speaker 1: won that game 32-7. The game before, it was a tie,
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Speaker 1: oddly enough. But they won that game 32-7, and it
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Speaker 1: was a whole new day. Everything changed right then. And
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Speaker 1: it was basically Harbaugh looked at the team and said,
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Speaker 1: we got a ceiling with this guy. We have no
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Speaker 1: ceiling with that guy. And it then took me back
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Speaker 1: to the original point, which was he did not take
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Speaker 1: him in the second round to not start him. We
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Speaker 1: didn't see it coming. It seemed like a gigantic shock. Clearly,
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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh was waiting, just waiting for the chance to
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Speaker 1: make that move.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's kind of funny looking back when you see–
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Speaker 2: I guess it's more like when you think about resumes
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Speaker 2: being built in real time, like for Jim Harwell, because
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Speaker 2: you can look back now and say, man, like all
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Speaker 2: these quarterbacks, going back to like Josh Johnson at San Diego,
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Speaker 2: like Andrew Luck and Alex Smith at the time, like
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Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick, that was still a little bit new-ish, you know? So, okay,
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Speaker 2: you figured out Alex Smith. we already thought Andrew Luck
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Speaker 2: was cold, maybe kind of no matter what. So I'm
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Speaker 2: not really sure how much credit like he was getting
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Speaker 2: for that, but for them, for him to come back
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Speaker 2: and say, well, he was this guy that was a
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Speaker 2: pretty raw player at Colorado or excuse me, at Nevada.
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Speaker 2: Cause even when you go back and look at like
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Speaker 2: that Boise state game, They were up at halftime and
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Speaker 2: they needed to come back. And there were some times
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Speaker 2: where he didn't look great. But then you just see like, well,
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Speaker 2: at some point, he's just the best athlete on the field.
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Speaker 2: And he's got the ball in his hands every single play.
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Speaker 2: We can we can work with that. And they come
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Speaker 2: out and he has against the Bears where you start
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Speaker 2: to see they can really raise the roof on the offense.
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Speaker 2: They get more explosive plays in the pass game while
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Speaker 2: also still doing the hardball thing of keeping the pass
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Speaker 2: volume low. You know, we were getting more explosives while
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Speaker 2: still not actually throwing that many times. So that's really
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Speaker 2: attractive to that. And then, obviously, I think the pinnacle
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Speaker 2: is the Green Bay game in the playoffs, you know, where.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there.
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Speaker 2: We'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get there.
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Speaker 1: Because the thing to me was that when you look
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Speaker 1: at that roster, the big play threat was... That was
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Speaker 1: the year. Randy Moss was on that team that Alex
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Speaker 1: Smith was not throwing the ball to. But the real
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Speaker 1: big play threat on that team was Vernon Davis.
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Speaker 2: Vernon Davis, yeah.
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Speaker 1: While Vernon Davis is a very good tight end, Vernon
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Speaker 1: Davis is not Rob Gronkowski. He's not supposed to be
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Speaker 1: the number one threat in your offense. They had Frank Gore,
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Speaker 1: who I think the underrated thing about Frank Gore was
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Speaker 1: his capability of putting up big plays. He just played
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Speaker 1: the same way Alex Smith played for bad teams. Frank
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Speaker 1: Gore played for bad teams. And so the only year
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Speaker 1: Frank Gore had 300 carries, he had 1,700 yards. Like
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Speaker 1: we think of him as being a compiler when in reality.
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Speaker 2: He played a little too long.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just playing for bad teams. But like
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Speaker 1: the numbers are like four and a half, 4.7, 4.8
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Speaker 1: yards per carry. Like he's getting that. So now Kaepernick
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Speaker 1: is there and it's also Cam Newton gets into the
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Speaker 1: NFL and now we see the widespread proliferation of, of
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Speaker 1: the zone read option, right? We start seeing those collegiate
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Speaker 1: elements coming in, in large part because the 2011 lockout
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Speaker 1: made it such that a lot of these young guys
17:39
Speaker 1: coming in at quarterback, you ain't had that much time
17:41
Speaker 1: to install, but so much stuff. So now we're looking up,
17:45
Speaker 1: 49ers have been bringing Pat Kaepernick in in these packages,
17:48
Speaker 1: but now they're running the pistol. They're running all of
17:51
Speaker 1: those things in the NFL. Robert Griffin is running a
17:54
Speaker 1: legitimate high school offense in Washington and setting the league
17:58
Speaker 1: on fire. But with Kaepernick, The 49ers now look like
18:03
Speaker 1: they might have a chance. And that gets us to
18:05
Speaker 1: that game against the Packers in the division round at
18:08
Speaker 1: home where that dude, the Packers, there may have been
18:12
Speaker 1: a lot of people after it all went down trying
18:14
Speaker 1: to tell you that Kaepernick couldn't play. Well, none of
18:16
Speaker 1: them motherfuckers in no green bay. Kaepernick had a game
18:18
Speaker 1: with 180 yards, I want to say before contact.
18:23
Speaker 2: See, that game, like, I love the, like, defensive football,
18:27
Speaker 2: and I think that is one of the most embarrassing
18:29
Speaker 2: games that, like, any team has ever played. And it's
18:33
Speaker 2: not even taking anything away from Kaepernick because it's just
18:36
Speaker 2: funny to think about you have these schemes in college
18:39
Speaker 2: or these schemes in high school that people say, oh, man,
18:41
Speaker 2: that shit will never work in the NFL. Like, come on, man. Like,
18:44
Speaker 2: this is too sophisticated. This is, you know, it's too fast.
18:47
Speaker 2: It happens too, you know, the defensive players are too
18:51
Speaker 2: fast or too smart, too physical. It won't work. And
18:54
Speaker 2: then you see in the divisional round against the Packers,
18:58
Speaker 2: they just ran like zone read, like the most basic
19:00
Speaker 2: form of it, right? Like we're just not going to
19:02
Speaker 2: block the defensive end. If he crashes, Colin Kaepernick, you
19:05
Speaker 2: pull and you can pull to the tune of 181
19:07
Speaker 2: yards on 16 carries. two touchdowns and then when you
19:11
Speaker 2: get to see him in the open field then it's
19:12
Speaker 2: like wow okay this is actually like tough to stop
19:16
Speaker 2: like once he gets going too so it's not just
19:18
Speaker 2: the speed it's also like the size and then uh
19:21
Speaker 2: like i don't think that that was his best game
19:23
Speaker 2: throwing the ball but it didn't matter because like like
19:25
Speaker 2: i said he almost had 200 rushing yards and they
19:27
Speaker 2: were all they were just reading like clay matthews off
19:29
Speaker 2: the edge and when he crashed hard on frank gore
19:32
Speaker 2: Just pull it. And then he's going to have a
19:34
Speaker 2: wide open rushing lane. And these were plays that, you know,
19:37
Speaker 2: people said these were knocks that guys could do that
19:39
Speaker 2: stuff in the past. And then here on the biggest stage,
19:42
Speaker 2: the punching tickets to the NFC Championships game, they exclusively
19:46
Speaker 2: did that to win. And I think that that was
19:49
Speaker 2: kind of an eye opener. from an NFL defense standpoint.
19:52
Speaker 2: We're like, okay, well now these plays are coming to
19:54
Speaker 2: the NFL, right? If you can see that you can
19:56
Speaker 2: win playoff games with them, they're going to become more popular.
19:58
Speaker 2: We've also, we've seen, you know, all these quarterbacks that
20:00
Speaker 2: have to run over the past 15 years of football
20:04
Speaker 2: entering the league. It was kind of like a defining
20:06
Speaker 2: point for the league on like a national stage, even
20:08
Speaker 2: though that had kind of been coming a little bit
20:10
Speaker 2: as we saw Kim Newton have that ridiculous year too.
20:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. But it's another example of how the past becomes
20:15
Speaker 1: the future really quickly.
20:17
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right. Yeah.
20:18
Speaker 1: Like for example, Gus Malzahn and what he was running
20:22
Speaker 1: in college when he started breaking that out, it's the
20:24
Speaker 1: single wing from back in the day, you know, like,
20:27
Speaker 1: like every now and then something happens and you look
20:29
Speaker 1: up or like the idea of the live podcast, huh?
20:32
Speaker 1: You mean like TV? Like the radio? These are things
20:37
Speaker 1: that have been done. And that's very similar to what
20:40
Speaker 1: we have here. There is an unblocked man that you
20:43
Speaker 1: read and you force that guy to make a decision
20:45
Speaker 1: and guys at this level haven't had to do these
20:47
Speaker 1: things in so long and now they're having to do
20:49
Speaker 1: them against much bigger, much faster dudes than they ever
20:52
Speaker 1: had to consider this around. A bunch of coaches, if
20:55
Speaker 1: you've ever taken a college math class, they can't, none
20:57
Speaker 1: of them teachers add three plus eight. They don't do
21:00
Speaker 1: that no more. They do all their math with letters.
21:02
Speaker 1: That was kind of what happened to defensive coordinators in
21:04
Speaker 1: the NFL. They don't, that part of their brain, they
21:08
Speaker 1: don't even use that no more.
21:10
Speaker 2: Right?
21:10
Speaker 1: And so you take a guy that has actual NFL
21:12
Speaker 1: skills and then you add those elements, even if only
21:16
Speaker 1: as a change of pace of something to do. And
21:18
Speaker 1: you get to the place where, hey man, They're in
21:21
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game. 49ers ain't been this far. I
21:24
Speaker 1: want to say since 1994. Lucky for them, they was
21:28
Speaker 1: playing the Falcons. But the Falcons, what was it? Did
21:31
Speaker 1: they go to a 21-3 lead? Or was it a.
21:33
Speaker 2: It was something like that. But Rodney was held at
21:36
Speaker 2: the end of the game, so whatever.
21:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ain't nobody got time for
21:40
Speaker 1: your gripes right now.
21:41
Speaker 2: I don't have any crap about this game. I don't,
21:44
Speaker 2: I don't, that, whatever. That's just what they do. Okay. But,
21:47
Speaker 2: but that game was kind of interesting because they, they
21:50
Speaker 2: kind of, I don't know if I remember correctly, like
21:51
Speaker 2: they held Kaepernick and check on the ground, but the
21:54
Speaker 2: problem was like, they went into the game saying, shoot,
21:59
Speaker 2: we just saw that last week. 17 to nothing.
22:01
Speaker 1: 17 to nothing.
22:02
Speaker 2: Same.
22:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
22:02
Speaker 2: Tomato, tomato, 21, three, 23, 17, nothing, 24, two. It's
22:03
Speaker 2: all the same after a while. Yeah. Oh, God. But
22:15
Speaker 2: in that game, I don't have the numbers in front
22:19
Speaker 2: of me right now, but I remember that game was more,
22:22
Speaker 2: they kind of watched the Green Bay game last week
22:24
Speaker 2: and said, well, we can't let that happen to us.
22:27
Speaker 2: So they had dedicated more to stopping Kaepernick on the ground,
22:31
Speaker 2: but then that's where I think the rest of the
22:35
Speaker 2: story of this offense is, man, they had some good
22:37
Speaker 2: players all over the place. That offensive line was very good.
22:42
Speaker 2: And they were very good at specifically how Jim Barr
22:44
Speaker 2: hardball wanted to play. And then you have Frank Gore
22:47
Speaker 2: who like it got lost to time, but when he
22:49
Speaker 2: was younger, he was a really explosive, like athletic back
22:52
Speaker 2: and they just pounded them. They gave it to him.
22:54
Speaker 2: And then obviously, you know, Falcon stuff happened before the
22:57
Speaker 2: nice defense, which was like all time good during the
23:00
Speaker 2: stretch to lock in. And, you know, they, they backed
23:03
Speaker 2: it up. But I really thought that game was interesting
23:05
Speaker 2: because it wasn't a lot of Kaepernick. It was a
23:09
Speaker 2: lot of, We're here to stop Kaepernick, and that makes
23:11
Speaker 2: everybody else better. And it kind of felt like, man,
23:14
Speaker 2: this could be something you could really build a franchise on.
23:18
Speaker 1: Hey, man, 16 for 21 for 233 yards. That was
23:20
Speaker 1: the passing situation. He only had two carries in that game,
23:24
Speaker 1: and they were down 17-0 and walked. them down like
23:30
Speaker 1: like this this happened like once it once you saw
23:34
Speaker 1: that he could run for 200 yards in the playoffs
23:38
Speaker 1: and then you saw that he could run an efficient
23:41
Speaker 1: passing game in the playoffs and then get you to
23:43
Speaker 1: the super bowl where they lose they're four yards away
23:47
Speaker 1: for winning the Superbowl. But like being the question that
23:51
Speaker 1: you ask about any quarterback really is, can we get
23:54
Speaker 1: to a Superbowl with him? Like where Jalen hurts becomes
23:57
Speaker 1: defiant of all the things that I've seen is that
23:59
Speaker 1: he's gotten to two Superbowls. Right. And so whatever we
24:02
Speaker 1: say at the end of the day, that's a quarterback.
24:04
Speaker 1: You could get to two Superbowls with Colin Kaepernick was
24:06
Speaker 1: a quarterback that you could get to a Superbowl with
24:09
Speaker 1: who didn't even get to start at the beginning of
24:11
Speaker 1: the year. Like it was literally like, just the beginning
24:14
Speaker 1: like the only quarterback that i could think of coming
24:17
Speaker 1: in in the middle of the year and really performing
24:19
Speaker 1: at the level he did was dan marino in 84
24:21
Speaker 1: i mean 83 i'm not even including tom brady because
24:24
Speaker 1: tom brady was hey man just don't fuck this up
24:26
Speaker 1: man that's all like kaepernick was being actively asked to
24:30
Speaker 1: raise the ceiling as opposed to just minimize risk.
24:35
Speaker 2: Yeah and he made everybody else better um and and
24:39
Speaker 2: it works so well with that offense because that's when
24:41
Speaker 2: you get to see like like the gravitational force, like
24:45
Speaker 2: if the person who touches the ball on every play
24:48
Speaker 2: is like the most explosive player, then like we have
24:50
Speaker 2: a serious problem. Like it's kind of like when you laugh,
24:54
Speaker 2: you go back and you see like Lamar Jackson being
24:56
Speaker 2: the 32nd pick, you're like, man, what the fuck happened there? Like, well,
24:59
Speaker 2: we know what happened there, but you know, like you
25:01
Speaker 2: watch him play, you're like, obviously, yeah, like he was
25:02
Speaker 2: still able to do these things. And when your quarterback
25:04
Speaker 2: is that athletic and that explosive, like you don't need
25:06
Speaker 2: them to necessarily be perfect. You just kind of need
25:09
Speaker 2: them to scare the hell out of people. And that's
25:10
Speaker 2: what had happened because it happened so fast. Like all
25:13
Speaker 2: of a sudden, maybe when you start the year or
25:15
Speaker 2: you start looking at this team, you're thinking about Alex
25:17
Speaker 2: Smith and all of a sudden, Whoa, like here's a
25:19
Speaker 2: flamethrower and he's good enough to maybe not like be
25:23
Speaker 2: pinpoint accurate, but when he is like, it's going to
25:25
Speaker 2: be for big gains. And when he takes off, it's
25:27
Speaker 2: a real threat. And when he's not taking off, we're
25:29
Speaker 2: still worried about him. And now, now there's Frank Gore
25:31
Speaker 2: and he's got like four, 330 pound guys just blowing
25:34
Speaker 2: holes in front of him. It's, it was really, really
25:36
Speaker 2: fun to watch. Cause I was, You rewatched it before,
25:40
Speaker 2: and I was like, man, they really just beat the
25:42
Speaker 2: shit out of all these defenses that they played. And
25:45
Speaker 2: it still kind of is, even though Harbaugh had that
25:48
Speaker 2: success at Michigan, it still kind of is the quintessential
25:51
Speaker 2: Harbaugh team when I think about it. Because every single
25:54
Speaker 2: piece of it was built to punch you in the
25:56
Speaker 2: mouth at the most physical level.
25:58
Speaker 1: And look, they didn't win that Super Bowl, but the
26:00
Speaker 1: next year they went 12-4 again, including another destruction of
26:03
Speaker 1: the Packers in the first game of the year, including
26:06
Speaker 1: another win against the Packers at Lambeau Field in the cold,
26:10
Speaker 1: which I actually think as a quarterback is a really
26:13
Speaker 1: underrated victory to put up. Like, these are Aaron Rodgers
26:16
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, right? Like, this is Aaron Rodgers around
26:19
Speaker 1: peak of powers, Aaron Rodgers. And the winning team is
26:23
Speaker 1: not his, right? This other guy is the one who's
26:27
Speaker 1: doing that, and they got him late. Because Kaepernick was
26:30
Speaker 1: decent that year, though not as shocking, which is reasonable
26:33
Speaker 1: to expect. Like, you and I talk about this over quarterbacks.
26:36
Speaker 1: That year, too, the league, you know, they see things, right?
26:39
Speaker 2: They're not going to let you do the green bathing again,
26:41
Speaker 2: you know?
26:41
Speaker 1: Right, they're not going to let you do that, and...
26:43
Speaker 1: This is a Greg Roman offense. And as we've learned
26:45
Speaker 1: with the Greg Roman offenses in other places, they just
26:48
Speaker 1: get worse and worse every year. It just ticks down.
26:52
Speaker 1: But the truth is, after being one play away from
26:54
Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl, they were one play away again
26:58
Speaker 1: from going to the Super Bowl, playing against a team
27:01
Speaker 1: that ultimately won the Super Bowl by a gazillion points
27:04
Speaker 1: in the toughest environment in the world. Which is to say,
27:07
Speaker 1: if Richard Sherman doesn't make that great play, on that
27:10
Speaker 1: pass to Crabtree and then he kirked out on television
27:13
Speaker 1: but if Sherman doesn't make that play and they score
27:15
Speaker 1: the 49ers probably win that Super Bowl I think I
27:18
Speaker 1: think that they would have I think they would have
27:20
Speaker 1: had a they would have done similarly as well against
27:23
Speaker 1: that Broncos team regardless of how good Peyton Manning had
27:26
Speaker 1: been that.
27:26
Speaker 2: Season yeah because they presented the same problems you know
27:29
Speaker 2: like like it maybe you didn't have like the uh
27:33
Speaker 2: ultimately what the star power of that Legion of Boom
27:35
Speaker 2: defense became, but we still had the late Alden Smith,
27:39
Speaker 2: Justin Smith on the inside, Patrick Willis, Navarro, Bowman, and
27:43
Speaker 2: then on the corner, it's like.
27:46
Speaker 1: Golden, Dante Wittner.
27:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dante Wittner, Dante Hittner, as he changed his name to. Yeah, Golston,
27:51
Speaker 2: my fault, Golston. Yeah, but like, yeah, Golston, Deshaun Golston,
27:53
Speaker 2: he was a good player. Man, like they really kind
27:56
Speaker 2: of had an underrated defense on the back end that,
27:59
Speaker 2: you know, they would have beat the crap out of
28:01
Speaker 2: that Broncos team because that was... problem like just a
28:04
Speaker 2: little bit too finesse it was cold outside and and
28:06
Speaker 2: uh that's the only Super Bowl I ever fall asleep
28:09
Speaker 2: during that I was.
28:10
Speaker 1: Watching let me tell you something about that defense I
28:11
Speaker 1: always tell people that 2011.
28:12
Speaker 2: 49ers team.
28:15
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad saying about this. Wasn't none of
28:17
Speaker 1: us watching them as that year was going on. They
28:19
Speaker 1: had Alex Smith as the quarterback. There was no reason
28:21
Speaker 1: to think. And look, they got a first-round bye, right?
28:25
Speaker 1: They were a really good team, but I know nobody watched.
28:30
Speaker 2: Okay, so I was in college. I was playing defensive
28:33
Speaker 2: line at this point. So I was kind of in
28:36
Speaker 2: the trenches. I was the guy who was like, anyone
28:38
Speaker 2: who doesn't draft Aaron Donald first overall, you're smoking crack.
28:42
Speaker 2: I don't care. But I know Jadavion Clowley, this guy's
28:44
Speaker 2: like 280 pounds. He ran a 4.6. Like, no, it's
28:47
Speaker 2: going to work. And I felt like the same way
28:49
Speaker 2: about Justin Smith, man. I thought that like if you
28:52
Speaker 2: could find like any player that could raise the floor
28:55
Speaker 2: of your defensive line, like that guy, because he could
28:58
Speaker 2: do anything. He was 285. He could play nose tackle
29:01
Speaker 2: and like eat triple teams. He could play off the edge.
29:03
Speaker 2: He was picking off stuff for Aldon Smith. Then they
29:06
Speaker 2: had all these guys in the middle. It was so good.
29:09
Speaker 2: And it is kind of funny because I feel like
29:11
Speaker 2: that group has gotten undersold over time. When you go
29:14
Speaker 2: back and look at the numbers, like, no, they were incredible.
29:18
Speaker 1: I will just never forget the moment I realized that
29:20
Speaker 1: I had been missing out was when the Saints gave
29:24
Speaker 1: that ball to Pierre Thomas. Dante Wittner hit him so hard.
29:30
Speaker 1: That's been 15 years since then. And I'm trying to
29:34
Speaker 1: think if I can remember like a clean legal hit
29:37
Speaker 1: in the way where it was just like, oh my. God,
29:40
Speaker 1: like he was out cold well before he hit the ground.
29:44
Speaker 1: It was immediate. And I was like, oh, I just
29:46
Speaker 1: misunderstood what kind of team this was. And so they
29:48
Speaker 1: were this close to winning the Super Bowl. They were
29:50
Speaker 1: this close to going back to the Super Bowl. And
29:53
Speaker 1: it was never that good again. So coming up next,
29:56
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the next part of Kaepernick's career,
29:59
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30:03
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30:55
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Speaker 1: on your head. Joel from Missouri City, you'll be the
31:00
Speaker 1: first person that he don't hate on. That is on
31:02
Speaker 1: this show. But we get to the 2014 season with
31:06
Speaker 1: the 49ers. And so there are a couple of things
31:08
Speaker 1: at play, right? Again, it's year four of Greg Roman.
31:13
Speaker 1: So this is going to whittle down. It's also year
31:15
Speaker 1: four of Harbaugh, a man who burns people out. And
31:18
Speaker 1: so now he's in the fights with the front office,
31:20
Speaker 1: you know, and everything that's going. And they had a
31:23
Speaker 1: Rudy Poo 8-8, just a middling 8-8 season. I can't
31:28
Speaker 1: think of anything noteworthy about this season except for the
31:30
Speaker 1: fact that it felt coming into that year like there
31:34
Speaker 1: was a wide-open window and then our recollection that that's
31:37
Speaker 1: actually not how football works.
31:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, right. Precisely. These windows can slam shut
31:43
Speaker 2: at any point. And I think that the 2014 season,
31:47
Speaker 2: it just kind of became like, it just kind of
31:51
Speaker 2: felt like one of those things where, man, we got
31:53
Speaker 2: to close shop on this. Right. For whatever reason, it's
31:57
Speaker 2: not working, whether it's hardball, whether it's management, whether it's
32:00
Speaker 2: all of us, just we don't fit anymore, which is
32:03
Speaker 2: crazy to think about how fast this happened, man. When
32:07
Speaker 2: you go back and you look at the Go Pro
32:10
Speaker 2: Football Reference or ESPN and look at Colin Kaepernick's career, like, man,
32:14
Speaker 2: this is only a very short amount of time that
32:17
Speaker 2: all of this, all of this happened, like before you
32:19
Speaker 2: even get to, you know, ultimately what happened in 2016.
32:23
Speaker 2: But 2014, it was just like, it got so unstable
32:27
Speaker 2: so fast. And I think one thing that is funny,
32:29
Speaker 2: you know, looking back, which maybe should have been a
32:32
Speaker 2: little bit clearer at the time too, was Trent Baalke
32:35
Speaker 2: versus Jim Harbaugh and how those careers have turned out.
32:39
Speaker 2: You know, when Trent goes to Jacksonville.
32:40
Speaker 1: It's clear that they picked the wrong horse.
32:42
Speaker 2: They picked the wrong guy there, absolutely. Especially considering, because
32:46
Speaker 2: as soon as Harbaugh left, I think you kind of saw, man,
32:49
Speaker 2: maybe we just deal with the crazy stuff. And we
32:52
Speaker 2: just win these football games or at least have someone
32:55
Speaker 2: that can get us to functional. Because, you know, they
32:57
Speaker 2: had some offensive line injuries that year. Like the run
33:00
Speaker 2: game wasn't great. Like even the defense was not as
33:02
Speaker 2: good as they used to be. And then I think
33:04
Speaker 2: you saw maybe Kaepernick's not quite ready to actually be
33:08
Speaker 2: the hard franchise quarterback and hole up the team. But
33:13
Speaker 2: they just didn't even give themselves a chance by ultimately
33:18
Speaker 2: choosing to let Jim Harbaugh go at the first sign
33:20
Speaker 2: of tension, really. Because think about where you were before
33:25
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh got there, even before Colin Kaepernick. And we
33:28
Speaker 2: just talked about you had all those years of Alex
33:30
Speaker 2: Smith being bad. It's not like you just falling right
33:35
Speaker 2: back into that without the question. You weren't good for
33:38
Speaker 2: a very long time. And before that, man, we're talking
33:41
Speaker 2: about you need Steve Young or Joe Montana for you
33:43
Speaker 2: to have that relevance as a franchise. You can very
33:46
Speaker 2: easily be a bad team. And after they fired Harbaugh,
33:50
Speaker 2: it was bad because Jim Tomsula ended up being the
33:54
Speaker 2: head coach. He did. He did. The only thing I
33:57
Speaker 2: remember about him is then they had the graphic where
33:59
Speaker 2: he won his first game or something or won a
34:02
Speaker 2: preseason game. And they had him with 100% win total
34:05
Speaker 2: over Bill Walsh. I'm like, aha, good one. But yeah,
34:09
Speaker 2: that's where it really started to fall apart.
34:11
Speaker 1: That's right. Because I remember the thing was they won
34:14
Speaker 1: the first game of the year. But it was back
34:17
Speaker 1: when they used to do the Monday night double header
34:19
Speaker 1: to start the year. And they were the late game
34:21
Speaker 1: and the home team would win every one of those
34:24
Speaker 1: because it would be a seven o'clock local kick. It's
34:27
Speaker 1: like a 1030 Eastern kick. And a big part of
34:30
Speaker 1: it was this is the year of like the year
34:32
Speaker 1: that Colin Kaepernick becomes a drop back passer. Right. Like
34:36
Speaker 1: that's where that's where this was going. That was what
34:38
Speaker 1: the plan was. He had worked all offseason with Trent Dilfer.
34:41
Speaker 1: Put a pin in that. um and then i think
34:43
Speaker 1: it was jeep.
34:44
Speaker 2: Chris another thing looking back.
34:46
Speaker 1: Yes yes yeah like jeep chris was the offensive coordinator
34:50
Speaker 1: and i remember watching him and them trying to do
34:53
Speaker 1: this and he looked so he looked imprisoned in the
34:57
Speaker 1: pocket right like it looked like a constraint where the
34:59
Speaker 1: pocket is supposed to be a protection it looked much
35:02
Speaker 1: more like a constraint for him and he just bounced
35:05
Speaker 1: on his feet and he was just always boom boom
35:06
Speaker 1: boom looking around like the rhythm of it wasn't there
35:09
Speaker 1: Then he wound up getting hurt that year. I mean,
35:10
Speaker 1: there's no way around it. He was awful.
35:13
Speaker 2: He was not good.
35:14
Speaker 1: There are explanations perhaps that one could offer as to
35:18
Speaker 1: why he was awful. But for those eight games that
35:21
Speaker 1: he played, I mean, it's six touchdowns, five interceptions. And honestly,
35:26
Speaker 1: those numbers felt better than the execution was. That was
35:29
Speaker 1: a dreadful football team.
35:32
Speaker 2: No, they, they, they were, they were terrible. Um, And
35:36
Speaker 2: they really just had no chance. And I thought– because
35:39
Speaker 2: I remember I was watching that. I was like, man, like–
35:42
Speaker 2: it's funny looking back at all this stuff. I remember
35:44
Speaker 2: watching it. I was like, man, like, is his career
35:46
Speaker 2: about to be over? And the answer was yes, but,
35:49
Speaker 2: you know, not quite for the reasons of that season. Because, yeah,
35:54
Speaker 2: that was the season when Blaine Gabbert came in. Yeah.
35:56
Speaker 2: And they sucked, dude. And that was the year that
36:00
Speaker 2: the defense was– I mean, that was the year where
36:04
Speaker 2: the defense really started to fall off. And then in 2016,
36:08
Speaker 2: they had one of just the most abominable defenses that
36:11
Speaker 2: I think maybe doesn't really get talked about, but since
36:13
Speaker 2: I've looked at that year so much, it's something that's
36:15
Speaker 2: burned in my brain.
36:17
Speaker 1: They gave up 480 points in a 16-game season.
36:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they did. They sure did. That's nuts. The
36:26
Speaker 2: 2015 season, it really kind of hurt as someone who,
36:30
Speaker 2: enjoyed watching Kaepernick. Cause I was like, man, like you
36:33
Speaker 2: can't go get Harbaugh back. Right. Like, obviously that was
36:36
Speaker 2: the mistake that you had made. You're you're in it.
36:39
Speaker 2: Like you had gone from Jim Harbaugh and, you know,
36:43
Speaker 2: even Greg Roman, that doesn't suck, but you went from
36:45
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh to, and Dick Fangio is your defensive coordinator
36:48
Speaker 2: to Jim Tomsula and Eric Mangini in 2015. Like that's,
36:52
Speaker 2: that's a clear staff downgrade. The players were getting worse.
36:55
Speaker 2: So clearly you saw you, we have made a mistake.
36:57
Speaker 2: And then, It just, it took even another step back
37:01
Speaker 2: in 2016 when Chip Kelly was the head coach. And unfortunately,
37:05
Speaker 2: like this is where I feel like my Stan hat
37:07
Speaker 2: come on with Kaepernick. Cause like that was the year
37:09
Speaker 2: where like it kind of starts to turn back in
37:13
Speaker 2: his favor a smidge.
37:15
Speaker 1: So this is the thing for me on that is,
37:17
Speaker 1: this is where Colin really gets into what I call
37:19
Speaker 1: the black quarterback zone, right?
37:21
Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
37:22
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is, Once the black
37:26
Speaker 1: quarterback has a bad season, it is not a bad season.
37:29
Speaker 1: He has been exposed.
37:32
Speaker 2: Yeah.
37:32
Speaker 1: Right.
37:32
Speaker 2: Exposed. Right.
37:34
Speaker 1: The progression of a quarterback is not like the progression
37:38
Speaker 1: of a running back or basically anybody else. Just about
37:41
Speaker 1: every other position in the NFL. You have a, a growth,
37:46
Speaker 1: a peak, and then a fall. The falls happen at
37:49
Speaker 1: different rates.
37:50
Speaker 2: Right.
37:51
Speaker 1: But it's a, it's a pretty standard function. that goes
37:54
Speaker 1: up until it reaches its maximum. And then it comes
37:58
Speaker 1: back down. Quarterback isn't like that. Quarterback is to me
38:01
Speaker 1: much more like being a baseball player in general, a
38:03
Speaker 1: pitcher in specific, where you may have these great, great year,
38:07
Speaker 1: these great numbers early. And then Peyton Manning had two
38:10
Speaker 1: bad years thrown in there as a starting quarterback. Tom
38:14
Speaker 1: Brady's second year as a starter was not quite in
38:16
Speaker 1: line with the others. Like you're going to be hard
38:19
Speaker 1: pressed to find the quarterback that did not have a
38:21
Speaker 1: hiccup in his career. And the hiccup many times can
38:25
Speaker 1: be a hiccup of multiple seasons, right? Kaepernick had one
38:29
Speaker 1: bad season on a bad team where we acknowledge also
38:33
Speaker 1: that he was seriously injured. So injured. In fact, it's
38:36
Speaker 1: the only thing that saved his job because he signed
38:39
Speaker 1: a bad contract that didn't really guarantee the money down
38:42
Speaker 1: the line, but he was too hurt to pass a
38:44
Speaker 1: physical contract.
38:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:46
Speaker 1: So they could not cut him in place, you know,
38:49
Speaker 1: to give the job of all people to Blaine Gabbert. Like,
38:52
Speaker 1: to look around and be like, nah, let's try this out.
38:54
Speaker 1: Nothing that he had done previously. All that potential that
38:56
Speaker 1: you saw before, it should tell you.
38:58
Speaker 2: You just saw it. You just saw it, you know?
39:00
Speaker 1: You just saw it. Like, two years before, he was
39:02
Speaker 1: pretty good, right? One bad year when everything else was
39:05
Speaker 1: bad and the world was ready to shut it down.
39:08
Speaker 1: But give this to Chip Kelly, who you have to remember,
39:12
Speaker 1: This point had the reputation of not liking black people.
39:15
Speaker 2: Black people he did.
39:16
Speaker 1: He had that. Now look, Chip Kelly's a man that
39:19
Speaker 1: once had John Carlos come talk to his team. And
39:22
Speaker 1: people thought he did not like black people. It wasn't
39:24
Speaker 1: that he didn't like black people. It's that you young
39:27
Speaker 1: hippity hoppity black people made him nervous. Chip Kelly was
39:31
Speaker 1: a coach at the University of New Hampshire.
39:34
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
39:35
Speaker 1: He was not prepared for the world that he got
39:37
Speaker 1: to with big time college football and with the NFL. Right.
39:41
Speaker 1: But he was the one that every time they talk
39:43
Speaker 1: about college, they get college is hurt.
39:44
Speaker 2: Yeah.
39:45
Speaker 1: When college gets back, we'll see it. And then when
39:46
Speaker 1: college got back, Chip wasn't no fool. He was like,
39:48
Speaker 1: Blaine Gabbert, what are you high? This boy back here.
39:54
Speaker 2: And and like this is the this is the one
39:58
Speaker 2: the season where I was like, You can't tell me
40:01
Speaker 2: that this guy, when it's all said and done, you
40:04
Speaker 2: objectively look at the season, this is easily one of
40:07
Speaker 2: the 32 best quarterbacks in the league when, because when
40:10
Speaker 2: he came back without question, like 32 without question.
40:14
Speaker 1: Yeah. 32 is trying to be really safe. Right.
40:16
Speaker 2: Yeah. Really safe. Right. And that was, and I feel
40:19
Speaker 2: like sometimes I look back at things I said, like, man,
40:21
Speaker 2: I was being a little bit too nice to y'all
40:22
Speaker 2: goddamn races, but yeah, I've grown in those mistakes won't
40:27
Speaker 2: be made again. It's just, it's just like, it was,
40:32
Speaker 2: it was frustrating watching that game that season because I,
40:36
Speaker 2: That team was bad, bad. Capital B, some of the
40:43
Speaker 2: worst stuff that I've ever seen in professional football. Because
40:47
Speaker 2: we were talking about briefly the run defense that they
40:50
Speaker 2: had that year. Man, they gave up at least 248
40:57
Speaker 2: rushing yards four times that season.
41:00
Speaker 1: What? Four times.
41:02
Speaker 2: They gave up 248 to the Falcons, the Saints- $ 249
41:05
Speaker 2: to the Bucs, and then $ 313 to the Buffalo Bills,
41:11
Speaker 2: whose offensive coordinator was Greg Roman and Tyra Taylor and
41:14
Speaker 2: LaShawn McCoy here. And then not only that, they also
41:16
Speaker 2: had 194, 188, 176. Like this was one of the
41:21
Speaker 2: worst defenses in like the past 25 years of football, right?
41:26
Speaker 2: They get 30 points a game, you know?
41:29
Speaker 1: Hold on, 30.0.
41:31
Speaker 2: 30.0 points.
41:32
Speaker 1: 30 on the nose.
41:33
Speaker 2: Yes, yes. Okay, dude, I'm looking at some of their
41:37
Speaker 2: stats now. 41% of their opposing drives ended in a
41:42
Speaker 2: score on offense, like, on defense. It's like, you get
41:46
Speaker 2: the ball, it's a coin flip unless you're getting, like,
41:48
Speaker 2: at least a field goal. That's embarrassing. And it kind
41:51
Speaker 2: of became like, this team is bad, so Colin's bad.
41:55
Speaker 2: When you kind of look at how that season went,
41:59
Speaker 2: you know, Chip Kelly, like you said, Chip Kelly had,
42:02
Speaker 2: he had the background of, maybe he doesn't like black people,
42:06
Speaker 2: but with Colin, he was okay with, But it kind
42:08
Speaker 2: of wore on him as the season went, kind of
42:11
Speaker 2: playing a little bit of defense for Colin. And you
42:13
Speaker 2: could see in the play, Colin, there's going to inside zone,
42:15
Speaker 2: inside zone, Colin save us. And he kind of did
42:17
Speaker 2: every once in a while.
42:18
Speaker 1: Hey man, let me, let me run this by you
42:21
Speaker 1: about the offense. Their leading receiver by far was Jeremy Curley.
42:30
Speaker 2: Yeah.
42:31
Speaker 1: With 64 catches. The number two receiver was, was Quentin Patton,
42:34
Speaker 1: who could be one of 500 former NFL players.
42:38
Speaker 2: Dude, I was.
42:39
Speaker 1: About to say.
42:39
Speaker 2: Right?
42:40
Speaker 1: Quentin Patton is the official name of a number three
42:44
Speaker 1: to five receiver, right? A guy who runs back kicks
42:48
Speaker 1: and also plays special teams. That is what that name
42:51
Speaker 1: sounds like. But the number two receiver had 37 catches.
42:53
Speaker 1: The number one had 64. The number three receiver was
42:57
Speaker 1: Sean Drone, who amazingly lasted to age 29 as a
43:00
Speaker 1: running back. Garrett Selick was number four.
43:03
Speaker 2: Fake Brett Selick. We got his brother, you know, not
43:05
Speaker 2: even the real one.
43:06
Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot that. Yeah, you're right. Like this, this
43:10
Speaker 1: was a really, really, really bad team. There was just
43:18
Speaker 1: no way around it. It was an awful team, but
43:22
Speaker 1: all the controversy swirled that year, but it truly felt
43:25
Speaker 1: like if you played paid any attention, We had settled
43:30
Speaker 1: at a point now where Kaepernick is, oh, I want
43:34
Speaker 1: to say he's 29.
43:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he just turned 29 during the season.
43:37
Speaker 1: He's not a franchise quarterback, probably not, but he was
43:40
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback and those don't grow on trees, right?
43:43
Speaker 1: Like he was a decent football player, but it is
43:46
Speaker 1: crazy to think what the margins are, like how all
43:49
Speaker 1: of this plays out if they go to the second
43:51
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. or if they win the first Super Bowl.
43:54
Speaker 1: Harbaugh doesn't burn those people out, right? He doesn't tear
43:58
Speaker 1: his labrum. Like the margins on this and the whole
44:02
Speaker 1: football story itself being different are so thin and it
44:05
Speaker 1: matters because as we'll talk about in later episodes, it
44:08
Speaker 1: was the football that was used to justify keeping him out.
44:12
Speaker 1: But it was this close to being people were really
44:15
Speaker 1: going to have to tell on themselves in order to
44:17
Speaker 1: do it.
44:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And that's what was so frustrating because they
44:21
Speaker 2: did tell them themselves and they were fine doing it.
44:23
Speaker 2: And it just didn't matter, you know? Like, cause, cause
44:26
Speaker 2: when you go back and the game that always comes
44:28
Speaker 2: back to my mind for that season is they go
44:31
Speaker 2: to Miami. And, you know, he had, you know, 300
44:34
Speaker 2: rushing yards or 300 passing yards, three touchdowns, ran for
44:37
Speaker 2: over 100 yards. You saw it. It was like, okay. Like,
44:40
Speaker 2: even on a team as bad as this, in the
44:42
Speaker 2: right circumstances, he can still be someone that goes out
44:44
Speaker 2: and produces at a high level. You know, it's not like,
44:47
Speaker 2: like you say, when he was 28, 29 years old,
44:49
Speaker 2: it's not like he was physically washed. You know, maybe
44:52
Speaker 2: he wasn't running a 4-4 anymore, but... it was good
44:54
Speaker 2: enough where that was still something that you have to
44:56
Speaker 2: account for in the open field. And I, I just
44:59
Speaker 2: think like, as the season went on, man, they had
45:02
Speaker 2: a game. Then they had a game against Chicago where it,
45:07
Speaker 2: the weather was just so bad. I think he was
45:09
Speaker 2: like one for five. like four yards, something like that.
45:12
Speaker 2: And that's the one that people point to and they
45:14
Speaker 2: lose all context and like what actually happened in that game.
45:17
Speaker 2: But when you made the surroundings like more equitable and
45:21
Speaker 2: more standardized, like he was obviously like a starting caliber
45:25
Speaker 2: quarterback that year in whatever diminished version of Chip Kelly's
45:29
Speaker 2: offense that had existed there. It was really frustrating like
45:33
Speaker 2: watching people pretend like he was just like still having
45:36
Speaker 2: the same exact statistical output that he was having the
45:39
Speaker 2: year before when you can see it. Like it wasn't
45:42
Speaker 2: good because the team around him was terrible, but they
45:45
Speaker 2: were still functional enough at times with him on the
45:48
Speaker 2: field that you can make a case. Like if you
45:50
Speaker 2: were another team next year, that was like, Hey, maybe,
45:54
Speaker 2: maybe we give this a chance. Like I, like I'm
45:56
Speaker 2: actually kind of sympathetic to the idea that the 49ers
45:59
Speaker 2: might just want to move on clean after all of
46:02
Speaker 2: this and start over. Like they hired Kyle Shanahan, but
46:06
Speaker 2: what happened after to Colin is like just objectively nonsense,
46:09
Speaker 2: you know?
46:11
Speaker 1: But he was, and I think this is important, and
46:14
Speaker 1: part of why I wanted to do this episode, he
46:17
Speaker 1: is legitimately a historically significant figure.
46:22
Speaker 2: Yes.
46:22
Speaker 1: Just as a football player.
46:25
Speaker 2: Yes.
46:26
Speaker 1: You're going to be watching football games for a long time,
46:29
Speaker 1: and somebody's going to put up some crazy dual-thread quarterback
46:32
Speaker 1: line in the playoffs, and they're going to say, and
46:36
Speaker 1: the only quarterbacks to do this are da-da-da, da-da-da, and
46:40
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick. And we saw that come up as the
46:42
Speaker 1: controversy swirled in years where you'd have these lines and
46:45
Speaker 1: they awkwardly didn't really want to bring that part up, right? Like,
46:51
Speaker 1: given that the 49ers haven't won a Super Bowl in,
46:55
Speaker 1: you know, 30-something years, they need to start treating that
46:58
Speaker 1: 2012 team You know, with some serious respect, but also
47:02
Speaker 1: that means some bringing you back, like you bring Colin
47:06
Speaker 1: back to the stadium at some point, right? Like he
47:09
Speaker 1: matters to the history of that franchise. As we saw
47:11
Speaker 1: the way the league progressed, he matters to the history
47:13
Speaker 1: of the league because what we'll talk about as it
47:15
Speaker 1: goes down the line, tried to make the argument that
47:17
Speaker 1: the reason that Colin, um, wasn't getting a job was,
47:21
Speaker 1: you know, teams don't really run the read option and
47:23
Speaker 1: do those things anymore. And 10 years later, they do
47:26
Speaker 1: them so much. They never stopped.
47:28
Speaker 2: You have to be able to do it. Almost. You
47:30
Speaker 2: have to be able to do it almost.
47:31
Speaker 1: Right, you have to be able to do it. Like
47:32
Speaker 1: I always said, when Josh Allen really struggled, his first
47:36
Speaker 1: couple of years I was like if they treat him
47:38
Speaker 1: like he's black it'll be okay and that's exactly what
47:40
Speaker 1: they did get his big ass out there running the
47:42
Speaker 1: ball get it outside right like relieve some pressure in
47:45
Speaker 1: those ways and they'll figure it out because that's what
47:47
Speaker 1: the game became the defense got to be fast to
47:49
Speaker 1: the point where they had slowed those defensive ends down
47:51
Speaker 1: with the rules as much as they could but no
47:54
Speaker 1: that wasn't gonna cut it right And part of why
47:56
Speaker 1: we saw that change in the paradigm of how football
47:59
Speaker 1: was played is that the 49ers got to the Super
48:01
Speaker 1: Bowl and almost got to another one with Colin Kaepernick,
48:04
Speaker 1: and they didn't have to hide him in order to win.
48:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. He was the driving force to their offensive improvement.
48:14
Speaker 2: We talked about it before where he ultimately ended up
48:17
Speaker 2: making the entire offense better because everything gets easier when
48:21
Speaker 2: you get to play 11-on-11 football. And that was quite frankly,
48:24
Speaker 2: the only thing when you jump back forward to 2016,
48:28
Speaker 2: that terrible offense, it was the only thing that made
48:30
Speaker 2: the offense viable at times. The fact that you had
48:32
Speaker 2: a quarterback that could basically get you to play 11
48:35
Speaker 2: on 11 and was kind of figuring his way back
48:37
Speaker 2: into the passing game. And, you know, I know it
48:41
Speaker 2: was said a lot at the time, but he's, he's like,
48:45
Speaker 2: even if you, if you could somehow take away everything
48:48
Speaker 2: that happened during the season with Amelia and all that,
48:51
Speaker 2: even if you just take like the, the raw, statistical
48:54
Speaker 2: output of Colin Kaepernick's career and treated just as like
48:58
Speaker 2: a squad of numbers there's never been a quarterback that's
49:01
Speaker 2: just disappeared after his five-year output that he had where
49:05
Speaker 2: you get into two conference championship games you're getting to
49:07
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl even in the season where you come
49:10
Speaker 2: back you're 29 years old you're 16 and four and
49:12
Speaker 2: he never threw another pass like that that has never
49:16
Speaker 2: happened in the history of the league it's not like
49:18
Speaker 2: he's someone that well we saw him start two seasons
49:21
Speaker 2: and god damn it he was the worst thing we've
49:23
Speaker 2: ever seen you know that doesn't happen uh so for
49:27
Speaker 2: him to not even find a backup role or anything
49:29
Speaker 2: beyond that like even that would just off the numbers,
49:33
Speaker 2: just off like the on-field performance. That alone makes him
49:36
Speaker 2: like a somewhat mysterious-ish figure until you throw in everything else,
49:41
Speaker 2: you know.
49:41
Speaker 1: Deshaun Kizer, Trevor Simeon. Wow. Blake Bortles. And these are
49:49
Speaker 1: guys who were the primary starter for NFL teams that season.
49:52
Speaker 1: The ghost of Jay Cutler.
49:54
Speaker 2: Oh, man.
49:56
Speaker 1: And I'm saying for the 2017 season, just to be clear.
49:58
Speaker 2: In Miami, that was embarrassing. Yeah.
50:00
Speaker 1: Case Keenum. what was left of Eli Manning, Josh McCown.
50:05
Speaker 2: Case Keenum had that 2017 season with the Vikings.
50:10
Speaker 1: He did, but they could have done that with Kyler Kaepernick.
50:13
Speaker 2: Probably.
50:14
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Like, this is a different story
50:16
Speaker 1: on the same kick.
50:16
Speaker 2: We'll see how it goes.
50:18
Speaker 1: But when people keep talking about, could Kyler Murray be
50:21
Speaker 1: the next Sam Darnold? I'm like, he better than him.
50:26
Speaker 1: Super Bowl or not. Like, Like, what are we talking about?
50:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, man, I was here in New York.
50:33
Speaker 2: I like Sam. He's a good guy, but y'all not
50:35
Speaker 2: going to trick me. I watch my own eyes, man. No, no,
50:38
Speaker 2: come on.
50:38
Speaker 1: Look, the 49ers went out there with Brian Hoyer. That
50:43
Speaker 1: was the guy that, I mean, I was with you. Hey,
50:45
Speaker 1: I understand if y'all need to, like, start over.
50:47
Speaker 2: Right.
50:48
Speaker 1: It makes sense. But not to go get Brian Hoyer.
50:54
Speaker 2: Right, like, I thought, oh, like, are y'all about to
50:57
Speaker 2: take like Patrick Mahomes or Deshaun Watson? Okay, you know,
51:02
Speaker 2: then I kind of get it. But to take like
51:04
Speaker 2: Solomon Thomas, like, man, you don't even want to try it.
51:07
Speaker 1: Don't get me started. Don't get me started.
51:08
Speaker 2: This is your guy. That could have worked. It could
51:11
Speaker 2: have worked.
51:12
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me started. But like, no, but
51:15
Speaker 1: with all of that as it went, You could have
51:17
Speaker 1: easily had Colin as your backup because when nobody going
51:20
Speaker 1: to ask them to start. Right. Like the people, this
51:23
Speaker 1: wasn't like Tim Tebow. We're like, oh man, shit, Jesus freaks.
51:26
Speaker 1: They might, they might start a rebellion outside. No, man.
51:29
Speaker 1: Unless it was going to be the black Israelites out there.
51:31
Speaker 1: Like when Kyrie was out, you know, was wilding. You
51:34
Speaker 1: would never go have that. But I think in all
51:37
Speaker 1: this time, you tell me if I'm wrong, I really
51:39
Speaker 1: think a lot of people, I mean, it happened in
51:41
Speaker 1: real time had just forgotten. No, we had a beast
51:44
Speaker 1: on our hands here. And even if he just proved
51:46
Speaker 1: to be a comet in terms of his performance, there
51:49
Speaker 1: aren't that many comets. And he was truly one of them.
51:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's kind of tough, like, when we
51:56
Speaker 2: were talking about the 2014 season, what I was thinking,
52:00
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I don't want to sound like,
52:02
Speaker 2: you know, the stereotype scouting report, you know, but that's
52:05
Speaker 2: what it looked like at times, you know? Man, I
52:07
Speaker 2: don't know if he feels comfortable with what he's looking
52:09
Speaker 2: at right now, but they're like, look at what was
52:12
Speaker 2: going on around him, man. Dude, Jim Tomsula, we were
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Speaker 2: laughing at that guy the second they made him the
52:17
Speaker 2: head coach, just like looking at him. And then he
52:20
Speaker 2: ended up being just as bad as we thought it
52:22
Speaker 2: was going to be. And then by the end of it,
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Speaker 2: Trent Baalke had just done such a terrible job managing
52:27
Speaker 2: that team post-hardball. There was nothing left. But even in
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Speaker 2: the garbage heap that was the 2016 49ers, you still
52:35
Speaker 2: had enough to say, shit, maybe if I'm Washington or
52:41
Speaker 2: something like that, and we're looking at whatever's going on
52:43
Speaker 2: with Kirk Cousins, or even if you're the 49ers, you're saying,
52:47
Speaker 2: Kyle Shannon's coming over and saying, man, like for a
52:49
Speaker 2: year just to try this out, it could have worked.
52:53
Speaker 2: And I remember like thinking that I think that's kind
52:56
Speaker 2: of what they were afraid of too. Like it could
52:59
Speaker 2: have worked. And that is also like not an acceptable
53:04
Speaker 2: outcome for what the powers that be want, I don't
53:08
Speaker 2: want to say wanted, but want like in general. And
53:11
Speaker 2: it's just really unfortunate that like you see like a
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Speaker 2: shining star like that. someone that, you know, like to
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Speaker 2: a degree has kind of built the groundwork for guys
53:20
Speaker 2: to come after him and have success in the league.
53:21
Speaker 2: And at least for teams to take that a little bit,
53:24
Speaker 2: that skillset a little bit more seriously, just to vanish
53:27
Speaker 2: like that. It's just horrible. It's horrible. But yeah, there's
53:32
Speaker 2: really no, you can't talk about this reasonably and say
53:35
Speaker 2: that skill wise, he had no business being in the
53:38
Speaker 2: league without just telling on yourself, which is, was fine
53:42
Speaker 2: for a lot of people as, as we saw over
53:43
Speaker 2: the years, they didn't care about telling themselves and ended
53:46
Speaker 2: up being pretty profitable for them.
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Speaker 1: Hey man, that's Charles McDonald, newly employed. Congratulations, brother.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Definitely excited to tell the
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Speaker 2: people what's going on and get back to it. It's
53:59
Speaker 2: been a weird summer, but this is the conversation I
54:02
Speaker 2: need to start thinking about the NFL again. Cause, I
54:04
Speaker 2: haven't thought about this shit in two months, but it
54:07
Speaker 2: was good.
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