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DIDDY TAKES THE STAND? GOOD LUCK ON CROSS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace State versus Sean Combs aka
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Speaker 1: Diddy aka Puff aka Puffy aka puff Daddy aka Love.
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Speaker 2: He wants that jewelry to think of him as mister Rogers.
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Speaker 1: Wash your filthy mouth out with soap. He is a
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Speaker 1: criminal from the beginning to the end.
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Speaker 3: Everyone may agree that Combs was a bad boyfriend.
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Speaker 1: A bad boyfriend, a bad boy lifestyle.
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Speaker 4: Isn't the same thing as a criminal lifestyle.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a death knell. We are live at
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Speaker 1: the courthouse and joining us now investigative reporter Lauren Colin,
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Speaker 1: star of Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. A lot happening in the courtroom today.
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Speaker 5: What happened after Kid Cutti took the stand?
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Speaker 6: Today we heard from a celebrity makeup artist, Myran Morales,
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Speaker 6: who was very good friends with cass and she described
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Speaker 6: an altercation before the VMA's in twenty ten where she
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Speaker 6: was in a conjoining room. So I guess two double
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Speaker 6: sweets is how I understood it. And she talked about
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Speaker 6: how she heard but didn't see what appeared to be
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Speaker 6: a altercation between Cassie and Ditty, and she saw Cassie's
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Speaker 6: injuries after the fact, she told Cassie to go to
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Speaker 6: the hospital and Cassie did not, But she testified that
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Speaker 6: she remained close with Cassie and Cassie felt comfortable enough
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Speaker 6: to stay at her house. She even said that during
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Speaker 6: one occasion, she called one of her doctor friends to
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Speaker 6: come over and look at Cassie's injuries, and she also
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Speaker 6: had Cassie talk to one of her lawyer friends, but
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Speaker 6: nothing ever came of that. During the cross examination done
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Speaker 6: by Anna Staveo, she really hammered Morales on the fact
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Speaker 6: that she's done two documentaries about Ditty and multiple media
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Speaker 6: interviews totaling eight. She also got Morales to admit that
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Speaker 6: she sold photos of Kim Porder for money and took
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Speaker 6: money from one of the documentaries in order to expense therapy.
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Speaker 6: And then we saw a homeland security agent who specialized
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Speaker 6: in digital forensics. He went through how he was able
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Speaker 6: to obtain different footage from Cassie's three different devices, these
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Speaker 6: mac book devices from twenty ten and possibly even earlier,
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Speaker 6: and he made sure to tell us in very technical
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Speaker 6: terms chain of custody, how he did this and how.
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Speaker 5: He was able to extract the data.
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Speaker 6: A lot of the messages came from being stored on iTunes,
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Speaker 6: which is what we used to use before we had
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Speaker 6: the iCloud.
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Speaker 5: And then he explained why you.
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Speaker 6: Might see some issues with the way messages are shown
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Speaker 6: based on the extraction, because we have seen double messages,
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Speaker 6: we've seen blank messages. So he was explaining this to
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Speaker 6: us now when Tony Gergoez got up to do her
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Speaker 6: cross she asked about it was one of the MacBooks
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Speaker 6: that had two user names on the login screen.
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Speaker 5: One was Frank Black.
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Speaker 6: Which we know was one of Ditty's aliases, and the
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Speaker 6: other one was a guest user. The HSI agent confirmed
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Speaker 6: that no data was extracted from the one user, but
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Speaker 6: when Garagos was finished and they did the redirect, they
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Speaker 6: really made sure to say that they only extracted data
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Speaker 6: from Frank Black after they got a search warrant because
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Speaker 6: Cassie she willingly gave over her devices, but it's clear
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Speaker 6: Frank Black is one of Ditty's aliases and so they
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Speaker 6: needed a warrant for that. We also heard from the
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Speaker 6: general manager of the Hermitage Hotel and Beverly Hills, and
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Speaker 6: essentially what he showed us was different names that were
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Speaker 6: used to check into these hotels. Frank Black, we saw
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Speaker 6: Frank White, we saw Jackie's Star, which we know is Cassie.
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Speaker 6: And then we saw notes that they took that are
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Speaker 6: they just helped the hotel staff know who's coming to
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Speaker 6: the hotel what to expect, and it was a lot
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Speaker 6: of corroboration in these notes as to what to expect.
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Speaker 5: When Frank Black or Sean Combs arrives.
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Speaker 6: There were notes that the cleaning staff should add one
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Speaker 6: thousand dollars extra for a deep clean or for damages
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Speaker 6: because they noted that there was candle wax everywhere, candle
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Speaker 6: waxes on the carpet, on the nightstands. They also noticed
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Speaker 6: or noted that there would be oil spilled everywhere and
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Speaker 6: they would have to do a deep clean. So again
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Speaker 6: there was a lot of corroboration, and there was no
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Speaker 6: cross examination for the hotel manager, Evan.
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Speaker 1: It was pouring from the witness stand and we are
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Speaker 1: alluring that even when Sean Combs is arrested, knowing that
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Speaker 1: he may turn himself in, even that night, when his
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Speaker 1: five star hotel is rated, it's full a damning evides.
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Speaker 7: Listen, Homeland Security special agent, you've seen Binda who searched
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Speaker 7: Seawan Comb's Manhattan Park Hyatt Hotel suite the day of
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Speaker 7: his arrest. Bottles of baby oil and Loube were scattered
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Speaker 7: throughout the suite, and a lighting device was found in
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Speaker 7: the living room. Pill bottles found in a Louis Vauton
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Speaker 7: toiletry bag contained klonopin prescribed for frank black in a
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Speaker 7: pink powder that tested positive for ketamine and MDMA. A
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Speaker 7: fanny pack contained nine thousand dollars cash, and Benda said
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Speaker 7: it appeared a woman was staying in the room with Combs.
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Speaker 1: That's not all that was found. Shawn Combs planning a
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Speaker 1: freak off and a five star hotel in Manhattan when
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Speaker 1: he's arrested. Sidney's Sumner joining us. What is astro glide?
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Speaker 8: Astroglide is lubrication for sexual purposes?
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Speaker 1: Nancy, Okay, I'm just curious, Josh Ritter, You're so busy
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Speaker 1: planning how you can destroy Donna Schard on the stand,
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Speaker 1: How can tear her testimony into shreds? You tell me
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Speaker 1: after all this, and this is after a federal multi
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Speaker 1: count indictment. There he is the night of his arrest
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Speaker 1: with a hotel room stuffed stuffed with astroglide, multiple bottles
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Speaker 1: of baby oil, all sorts of lubricants, sex aids, and
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Speaker 1: tons of cash and drugs. I mean, the man can't
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Speaker 1: help himself. He is a criminal from the beginning to
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Speaker 1: the end. This is the night of his arrest.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know where to go with that. It
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Speaker 9: doesn't look good. You're absolutely right. Here's the thing, though,
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Speaker 9: that the defense is going to have to continue to
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Speaker 9: hammer home. And maybe this is becoming a hill too
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Speaker 9: high decline, but it's the idea that as deviant as
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Speaker 9: this is, as outrageous as it is, where is the
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Speaker 9: crimes here? I know we're hearing a lot of testimony
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Speaker 9: about really kind of sick behavior, But have we heard
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Speaker 9: a lot about him understanding that consent was not being given?
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Speaker 9: Have we heard a lot about criminal enterprise? What prosecution's
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Speaker 9: going to happen?
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Speaker 1: You're actually making my teeth hurt? Does he understand lack
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Speaker 1: of consent? According to the state, the women were drugged
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Speaker 1: out of their gourds. Didn't you hear about that? Louis
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Speaker 1: Vuton bag stuffed full of ecstasy, coke, pot Plan B
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Speaker 1: birth control and I mean just one Plan B birth
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Speaker 1: control appeal, I mean a whole Louis Vuton bag. Sidney
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Speaker 1: Sumner tell him what was in the Louis Vuton bag
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Speaker 1: that comes carried constantly.
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Speaker 8: There was quanapin prescribed for Frank Black, which is an
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Speaker 8: alias that comes used very frequently when booking hotel rooms
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Speaker 8: for freak off. And they also found pink powder sometimes
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Speaker 8: referred to as pink cocaine or to us, and that
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Speaker 8: tested positive for both ketamine and ecstasy.
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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter is joining me, the PR publicist for Shawn Coms,
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Speaker 1: former PR, former PR gury for Shawn comes and see
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Speaker 1: everything went to crap when you left? Host of Not
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Speaker 1: Even Nice podcast and author of the four Word Answer.
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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, question to you, You're hearing about threats from
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Speaker 1: another star, Don Richard on the stand, threats that people
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Speaker 1: disappear when they talk. Did many people surrounding Shawn Combs
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Speaker 1: have to sign an NDA non disclosure agreement?
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Speaker 2: And why yes, absolutely, there are NDAs everywhere. I did
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Speaker 2: not sign one, but lots and lots of people that
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Speaker 2: worked for Puffy did sign NDAs. And this is because
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Speaker 2: he doesn't want the truth getting out, not necessarily about
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Speaker 2: the accusations. We are talking about today, but his whole life.
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Speaker 2: He's a complete control freak. He decides what's in the media,
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Speaker 2: what's in the press, and what isn't. You don't decide
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Speaker 2: that he does. An example, even though I didn't have
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Speaker 2: an NDA with him, every press release I sent out
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Speaker 2: about Puffy, whether it be playing Broadway, running a marathon,
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Speaker 2: changing his name, he approved. He approved it, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of celebrities sort of glance at these Pointy.
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Speaker 1: Did he change his name so many times?
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Speaker 2: Rob we get attention, to get attention, We'd literally be
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Speaker 2: sitting in his conference room and he was like, not
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Speaker 2: getting a lot of press this week, Let's change my name.
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Speaker 2: Which is why I have said, and I believe this
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Speaker 2: in a really perverse way. Did he is enjoying what
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Speaker 2: is happening right now? He has made himself one of
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Speaker 2: the most famous people in the world, And in a sick,
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Speaker 2: perverse way, I think he's secretly enjoying that we're all
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Speaker 2: talking about shooter.
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Speaker 1: What about this pr fail? First of all, we hear
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Speaker 1: all about did he's tutsy role last week? Rape victim?
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Speaker 1: When he saw that wasn't as afraid anymore. Then we
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Speaker 1: have damning testimony on the stand just pouring from Cassie
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Speaker 1: material with a jury looking over at him like upos. Oh,
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Speaker 1: now we hear the latest PR fail where Sean Combs
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Speaker 1: as PR. People are paying just by standers out in
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Speaker 1: front of the courthouse, paying them twenty dollars an hour
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Speaker 1: to wear a free Puffy T shirt and the press
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Speaker 1: found out about it.
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Speaker 10: Pathetic, but not surprising.
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Speaker 2: It seems to be here that Puffy is really waging
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Speaker 2: a two prong war, a legal war and a PR war.
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Speaker 2: PR is very important to Puffy. He has spent a
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Speaker 2: lot of money on publicists and these T shirts. We
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be that surprised. He's done this before. When I
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Speaker 2: was working with him, he was trying to get young
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Speaker 2: people to vote, and he came up with these T
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Speaker 2: shirts called vote or Died that he sold he made
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Speaker 2: money from at his store. So I'm wondering if these
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Speaker 2: T shirts were produced by Sean John his clothing blind.
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Speaker 2: If not, then I do believe that this would ultimately
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Speaker 2: get out.
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Speaker 10: It's an old PR too. It didn't work back then,
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Speaker 10: it's not going to work today. Yeah, they just tried
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Speaker 10: to do almost twenty dollars to wear a pretty fucky
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Speaker 10: shirt stopped.
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Speaker 5: I knew I.
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Speaker 11: Could tell because the lady right this, she just kept
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Speaker 11: convincing me to wear to go wear a shirt, and
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Speaker 11: I'm like, I'm gonna found it.
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Speaker 1: That's what.
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Speaker 5: So that's just twenty dollars.
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Speaker 6: And if you guys were you need twenty dollars, all
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Speaker 6: you have to do is wear free pump shirt.
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Speaker 8: Stand out here and you said out yeah, did they
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Speaker 8: say how many hours?
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Speaker 1: Twenty hours?
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Speaker 6: She told me she got to play like sixty dollars
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Speaker 6: yesterday for spending hours three hours.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, did you how the mighty have sunk?
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Speaker 1: That's from TikTok At Emily knows everything, Rob Shooter or
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Speaker 1: former PR guru too Sean comes. It's bad enough to
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Speaker 1: pay people to wear free puffy t shirts, but then
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Speaker 1: they get busted on it.
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Speaker 2: Humiliating, stupid. This stuff gets has really really quick in
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Speaker 2: the press. But my sources are telling me it's actually
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Speaker 2: worse than what we just saw. But Did his team
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Speaker 2: has been trying to convince people to just show up.
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Speaker 2: They want want crowds outside this course house. Insiders are
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Speaker 2: telling me that Did is really angry that people are
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Speaker 2: not on the streets. His ego was so big, is
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Speaker 2: so big that he predicted hundreds, if not thousands, of
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Speaker 2: people would be outside that court has nobody is really there?
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Speaker 10: That's about a hundred or so.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, dear, he's really angry this time. So he's
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Speaker 1: mad about his tootsy roll everybody finding out about that.
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Speaker 1: He is mad about. What is he mad about? Throngs
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Speaker 1: of people not coming to the courthouse? Did you say thousands?
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Speaker 1: He expected thousands of people to show up outside the
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Speaker 1: courthouse to support him.
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Speaker 2: You better believe it, Nancy. This guy as a huge ego.
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Speaker 2: When I was with him, he wanted crowds everywhere, and
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Speaker 2: we have. If we had to pay for them to
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Speaker 2: be there, so be it. He has a lot a
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Speaker 2: lot of money.
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Speaker 10: And the things you.
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Speaker 1: Find people to come out and fawn over Sean comes.
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Speaker 1: How did you do that? Where did you find them?
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Speaker 2: You could find people that worked at record labels, You
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Speaker 2: could find marketing companies, You could find people that would
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Speaker 2: would find you. You folks to turn up and you
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Speaker 2: pay them and they wear t shirts. They come to
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Speaker 2: album signings. This actually might be very unusual in a
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Speaker 2: legal case, but in the music business, when you see
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Speaker 2: all those fans lined up outside record stores, quite a
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Speaker 2: lot of them are actually paid to be there. It's
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Speaker 2: called the hype business. It's called the business of illusions,
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Speaker 2: and nobody does it better than did it until now.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Rob Shooter, do you ever feel bad about everything
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Speaker 1: you did to prop Diddy up? Oh that was a lie?
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Speaker 1: And yeah I did, he said, did nothing but a
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Speaker 1: rapist and a sex traffic are according to prosecutors.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's all right in there with him.
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Speaker 1: Man.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well see, I hope hopefully I wasn't.
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Speaker 2: I've had many nights when I thought about this and
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Speaker 2: questioned my consciousness and what did I see?
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Speaker 10: Did I see any red flags?
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Speaker 2: And so yeah, I think a lot of people today
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Speaker 2: who turned him into a star, turned him into the
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Speaker 2: guy he is today.
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Speaker 10: Have some guilds, hopefully a lot of guilds, and people
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Speaker 10: should say sorry I have.
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Speaker 2: But I do think too a lot of people that
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Speaker 2: worked with him are going to say this is totally different.
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Speaker 10: I don't agree.
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Speaker 2: The fact that we helped make him into a superstar,
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Speaker 2: helped him become this monster at least act out and
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Speaker 2: get away. It looks like what he did for over
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Speaker 2: two decades.
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Speaker 1: You know, Rob Shooter, you and I go way back,
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Speaker 1: you know, how I feel about you. Very often people
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Speaker 1: that I like or respect, or witnesses I've never met,
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Speaker 1: they look back and they think, wow, I should have
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Speaker 1: filled in the blank, or I didn't realize. I've said
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Speaker 1: that I didn't realize what was happening. I couldn't see
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Speaker 1: it when you look back, you know, propping him up
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Speaker 1: like you know, you've got reshort on the stand. Describe
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Speaker 1: me how she saw Sean Combe's take a frying pan
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Speaker 1: full of eggs and beat Cassie with it, and you
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Speaker 1: know it had to be hot too, but still had
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Speaker 1: the eggs in it, beat her with it, and people
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Speaker 1: described not so she had on her head. And then
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Speaker 1: you've got Carrie Morgan. I mean, it goes on and on,
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Speaker 1: and there's gonna be more. There's gonna be more people.
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Speaker 1: Didn't they see anything? Or were they just oblivious, blinded
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Speaker 1: by all that money and power.
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Speaker 2: It's a really good question. I think a little bit
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Speaker 2: of both. I honestly think that I didn't see this.
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Speaker 2: But it was over twenty years ago when I worked
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Speaker 2: with Puff. It was the beginning of the monster. He
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Speaker 2: was just sort of forming himself as the celebrity that
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Speaker 2: he used today. I was with him in the beginning. Now,
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Speaker 2: I don't think people change, but I do think the
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Speaker 2: power that he gained over the years allowed him to
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Speaker 2: become or at least to express those feelings that he
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Speaker 2: had inside. But also to Nansie, I do think about
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Speaker 2: this a lot. Did I not see stuff because he
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Speaker 2: was paying me a lot of money? Did I not
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Speaker 2: see stuff because I in great restaurants and flew on
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Speaker 2: private planes with him? And I hope the answer, I
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Speaker 2: hope the answer to that is one that I can
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Speaker 2: live with.
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Speaker 11: The defense also questions Cassie on what she meant when
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Speaker 11: she told investigators Colms was acting strangely leading up to
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Speaker 11: and during the rape. Cassie said Colmbs was acting nice
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Speaker 11: but strange during their meal before the rape, did not
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Speaker 11: respond to her screams and cries during the attack, and
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Speaker 11: left without any interaction afterward. Anna Esteveo asked if Cassie
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Speaker 11: thought Comb's odd behavior may have been tied to his
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Speaker 11: bipolar disorder, the first time the court has heard about
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Speaker 11: this diagnosis.
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Speaker 1: His what Brett Brown joining me executive director of Surviving
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Speaker 1: Assault Standing Strong. It's a nonprofit whose mission is eradicating
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Speaker 1: sex attacks and sex trafficking On women and girls. So
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Speaker 1: instead of putting up a doctor, they get the woman
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Speaker 1: he has beaten for years, according to the State, raped
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Speaker 1: on video, drugged, harassed, threatened. They're asking her if he's
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Speaker 1: got a bipolar problem, if he's been is he diagnosed
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Speaker 1: with bipolar? Maybe that's why he raped you. Can you
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Speaker 1: believe asking an alleged rape victim. Well, wait, maybe he
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Speaker 1: did it because he's bipolar. Are you serious?
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Speaker 12: It's insane. This whole lineup is insane because they're putting
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Speaker 12: both the possibility of bipolar and drug use on her
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Speaker 12: shoulders to decide what state of mind was he in
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Speaker 12: when he committed these heinous crimes. And what's funny to
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Speaker 12: me is they're saying recreational drug use means that he
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Speaker 12: was not responsible for his actions, and in the same
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Speaker 12: time frame saying recreational drug use made these women responsible
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Speaker 12: for their actions. And if I remember correctly, the federal
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Speaker 12: trafficking laws commercial sex Act, induced by force, fraud of coercion.
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Speaker 12: Doing drugs even recreationally, removes your ability to give consent
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Speaker 12: i e. Coercion, and if it's in exchange for money,
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Speaker 12: that makes it commercial. So the whole thing is insane.
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Speaker 1: Two special guests joining us. Chris McDonough, director at the
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Speaker 1: Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective for My Purposes, former
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Speaker 1: vice detective. He is the star of the Interview Room
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Speaker 1: on YouTube. Chris McDonough, If I'm bipolar was the defense
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Speaker 1: or I was high on drugs and alcohol was the defense?
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Speaker 1: Everybody in the NBC would walk that all climbed their
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Speaker 1: bipolar and on drugs and alcohol at the time they
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Speaker 1: rape kill Rob fill in the blank.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And doesn't it feel like the universe
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Speaker 13: is on schedule here?
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Speaker 11: Uh?
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Speaker 13: You know, I think astro Glide is going to have
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Speaker 13: a whole new meeting in Block four where he's being housed.
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Speaker 13: What we're witnessing here is a going out of business
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Speaker 13: sale with the largest pimp in the world disguised as
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Speaker 13: a music mogul. You know, now you're going to put
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Speaker 13: on your past victims to say that you have a
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Speaker 13: mental disorder.
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Speaker 10: It's looted.
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Speaker 13: It's crazy.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: just thinking this through, claiming now that he is bipolar
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Speaker 1: to Rob Shooter, a long time pr grew two. Shawkin's
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Speaker 1: not working for him anymore. Rob Shooter did you ever
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Speaker 1: know him to be by polar?
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Speaker 10: No? No, no.
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Speaker 2: Even though I haven't worked with him for a while,
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Speaker 2: I've obviously covered his career. I'm an entertainment reported now,
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Speaker 2: I've never heard of this. To bring it up at
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Speaker 2: this moment, it's so desperate, it's so wrong, it's so silly.
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Speaker 2: I think I hope the jury will see through it.
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Speaker 2: But it's just another instant that just shows you how
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Speaker 2: clueless he is. And why I say Puffy's clueless is
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Speaker 2: trust me, Puffy is running this defense. He is out there,
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Speaker 2: He's telling his lawyers what he wants. He's not the
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Speaker 2: type of guy to sit back and take advice. He
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Speaker 2: is running the show, and this is the show he
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Speaker 2: thinks is going to get him off.
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Speaker 1: Hey, Rob Shooter, there is word from believable sources that
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Speaker 1: he is insisting he is going to take the stand
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Speaker 1: over counsel objection. Do you believe he'll do it?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
20:54
Speaker 1: I only hope he does.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you do. Nancy, You're absolutely right. Stupid,
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Speaker 2: stupid move.
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Speaker 10: But try telling him that, Try telling.
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Speaker 2: Him that he shouldn't do this. He's not used to
21:09
Speaker 2: being told no. He could argue, and I would give
21:13
Speaker 2: him some credibility here, Nancy. He could argue he has
21:16
Speaker 2: been a brilliant businessman for the last twenty years. He's
21:19
Speaker 2: made really smart decisions and his bank account seems to
21:22
Speaker 2: prove him right.
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Speaker 10: So it's very.
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Speaker 2: Difficult himself made people who have made billions of dollars
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Speaker 2: that they are wrong.
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Speaker 10: They don't want to hear it. They're not going to listen.
21:31
Speaker 2: Mindsight is are confirming your report in Nancy that he is.
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Speaker 10: He is going to take the.
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Speaker 1: Stand testimony pouring from the witness stand all day long
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Speaker 1: and joining us outside the courthouse. Lauren Connlin, investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: or star of Pop Crime TV. Lauren, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Tell us what's going on in the courtroom.
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Speaker 6: Yes, Nancy, it started off pretty pretty interesting this morning
21:55
Speaker 6: with Diddy's lawyers actually arguing that the case and the witnesses,
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Speaker 6: it's becoming more of a gossip chamber of some sort.
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Speaker 6: We also saw Don Rochard finish her direct testimony and
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Speaker 6: get cross examined. And what's come into question, Nancy, is
22:13
Speaker 6: all of Don Rochard's previous statements to the government as
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Speaker 6: they appeared to change.
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Speaker 5: And we learned this.
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Speaker 6: When the defense came up to cross examine her, and
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Speaker 6: Don Rochard actually admitted herself that her testimony has changed
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Speaker 6: based on her memories, specifically after the skillet incident. She
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Speaker 6: testified last week and today that Diddy and Harve Pierre,
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Speaker 6: one of his Bad Boy Record executives, actually said to
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Speaker 6: her that if she told, people go missing if they tell.
22:43
Speaker 6: And the defense pointed out that she had never said
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Speaker 6: this to the government, and she admitted that, you know,
22:49
Speaker 6: she didn't remember.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned a quote skillet incident, and this is Don
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Speaker 1: Rochard recounting when Shawn comes actually beat Cassie Ventier in
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Speaker 1: the head with a frying pan. Could you explain what happened?
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Speaker 6: Yes, So Don Richard first testified on Friday that she
23:07
Speaker 6: was recording you that at Ditty's La home with her bandmate.
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Speaker 6: They were in this Ditty Dirty Money group or dirty Money,
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Speaker 6: and Cassie was making eggs at the stove. Diddy came
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Speaker 6: down the stairs and she said that he attacked her
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Speaker 6: or tried to hit her with this frying pan, and
23:23
Speaker 6: that Cassie appeared to go down in a fetal position
23:26
Speaker 6: and then he dragged her up the stairs. Now, Don Richard,
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Speaker 6: during her redirect with the government after she was called
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Speaker 6: out for changing her story.
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Speaker 5: She said, without a doubt that she knows that Diddy
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Speaker 5: hurt Cassie.
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Speaker 6: She was in the fetal position and she saw her
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Speaker 6: get dragged up the stairs.
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Speaker 1: A skillett a frying pan full of eggs. Now, you stated,
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Speaker 1: Lourene Conlin, that Richard has changed her testimony. I'm very
23:56
Speaker 1: curious changed it how exactly?
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Speaker 6: Well, theirst first thing that the defense pointed out is
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Speaker 6: that she never told the government and I believe that
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Speaker 6: she had about eight meetings that Ditty never said to
24:07
Speaker 6: her people go missing, and this is essentially a death threat. Additionally,
24:12
Speaker 6: they pointed out that in her civil lawsuit, there was
24:16
Speaker 6: some kind of incident that was recounted about Diddy dragging
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Speaker 6: Cassie out of a car onto grass and a lot
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Speaker 6: of people thaw and Don Richard actually said, oh, that
24:26
Speaker 6: was a mistake that my lawyers made, and I guess
24:29
Speaker 6: they were referring to another incident.
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Speaker 5: We learned this in the redirect.
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Speaker 6: So there was that, and there was a couple other
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Speaker 6: instances where she left certain things.
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, minute, wait a minute, So Lauren Conlin.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that the defense tried to make
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Speaker 1: sound like it's inconsistent. Was actually another violent incident.
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Speaker 6: Yes, that is pertaining to her civil lawsuit, her twenty
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Speaker 6: twenty four civil lawsuit. But what's interesting is that don
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Speaker 6: Richard testified that over time her memory has gotten better
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Speaker 6: because she wanted to suppress a lot of these bad
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Speaker 6: memories from working with Diddy. She worked so hard to
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Speaker 6: not remember them, and now you know she's been working
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Speaker 6: with the government to remember them.
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Speaker 1: Did she try to intervene on behalf of Cassie Ventura? Yes,
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Speaker 1: and last you were just discussing inconsistencies that she had
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Speaker 1: not used the words Diddy threatened that or his hinch
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Speaker 1: person that people disappear when they talk. What phraseology, if any,
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Speaker 1: did she use when she was talking to the state.
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Speaker 6: She left that completely out, but said that Diddy said
25:40
Speaker 6: to her what you witnessed was passion.
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Speaker 5: Cassie is is okay.
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Speaker 6: Harry Morgan, Cassie's former best friend, was on the stand
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Speaker 6: and she testified that after the March twenty sixteen incident,
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Speaker 6: and this is crazy, Uh, she was at Cassie's house,
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Speaker 6: Cassie walked in with the hood of bla black eye,
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Speaker 6: put her back down, appeared to be extremely numb, and
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Speaker 6: then about thirty minutes later, Carrie Morgan alleged that Diddy
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Speaker 6: showed up outside the door, banging on it with a hammer.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Josh Ritter joining us, a veteran criminal
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Speaker 1: defense attorney, former prosecutor, host of Courtroom Confidential on YouTube, Josh,
26:20
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. So you say tomato,
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Speaker 1: I say tomato. She in multiple interviews with the state
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Speaker 1: prior to testimony, stated that she was threatened with physical
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Speaker 1: harm if she talked, In other words, told anyone about
26:38
Speaker 1: Cassie's beatings today. The way she described it was, people
26:43
Speaker 1: disappear if they talk, people go missing. I don't see
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Speaker 1: that that says big of a point as the defense
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Speaker 1: is trying to make it be.
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Speaker 9: I actually think it is a big point. I mean,
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Speaker 9: we're talking about prior inconsistent statements, the idea that she
26:58
Speaker 9: is trying to say that her memory has improved over time.
27:03
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm no memory expert, but that's laughable to me,
27:05
Speaker 9: and I think it'll be laughable to a jury. That
27:07
Speaker 9: is not how memory works. We don't all of a
27:10
Speaker 9: sudden feel stronger and more detailed about our memories, certainly
27:14
Speaker 9: over things that have taken place years and years ago.
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Speaker 1: Cassi Ventira on the stand in the court of law
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Speaker 1: and the criminal trial of Sean Comes aka Diddy.
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Speaker 5: And what is that I'm hearing?
27:29
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a death knell. Joining me from the
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Speaker 1: courthouse is Lauren Conlin in the courtroom throughout the day. Lauren,
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Speaker 1: First of all, let's just start chronologically to Cassi Ventira
27:45
Speaker 1: taking the stand. They did a long lead up to
27:48
Speaker 1: her to put her on the stand. Tell me how
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Speaker 1: was the jury responding to her testimony.
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Speaker 6: Cassie did get to the point where she discussed the
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Speaker 6: psychological abuse as well as the physical abuse that she
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Speaker 6: received from Diddy, and the jury was listening intently. And
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Speaker 6: it's also interesting because Sean Colmes seems to be pretty
28:09
Speaker 6: stoic throughout this. Now one thing that also seems to
28:13
Speaker 6: be present throughout her testimony is how much Cassie actually
28:17
Speaker 6: loved him at one point. So I believe that they
28:21
Speaker 6: are going to move on and start really focusing on
28:25
Speaker 6: the abuse. But so far, it's it's been tough. It's
28:28
Speaker 6: been hard for everybody, and Cassy herself had needed some
28:32
Speaker 6: moments to wipe her nose, take some breaths. She does
28:36
Speaker 6: appear very very sad and very very somber and as
28:39
Speaker 6: you know, very pregnant.
28:41
Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting, Lauren Collin. One of the
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Speaker 1: first things that Seawan comes is ten million dollar defense
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Speaker 1: team did was demand that she be seated in the
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Speaker 1: witness seat before the jury came in so they could
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Speaker 1: not see her baby Bailly happened.
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Speaker 6: Well, they had been discussing this previously, about how pregnant
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Speaker 6: she looked and the fact that maybe the jury could
29:08
Speaker 6: feel sympathy for her. So yeah, she was brought in first,
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Speaker 6: and then the jury was brought in.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Cassie Ventura described how frea
29:27
Speaker 1: Costs actually became a job lasting thirty six to forty
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Speaker 1: eight hours, the longest one lasting up to four days.
29:37
Speaker 1: No wonder the participants needed IV fluids after a Frea
29:42
Speaker 1: coll I'm just curious to Lauren Collin joining us at
29:45
Speaker 1: the courthouse, how was the jury responding.
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Speaker 6: What I will say is Cassie made a point to
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Speaker 6: say that when she wasn't making music, she was actually
29:55
Speaker 6: having to quote recover from these freak offs. And again
29:59
Speaker 6: she she did say these freak offs lasted between one
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Speaker 6: and four days and it would take her an equal
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Speaker 6: amount of time to get her body recovered, to rehydrate,
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Speaker 6: to rest, to detox from these drugs.
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Speaker 5: It was really really sad to listen.
30:13
Speaker 1: To joining us an All Star panel to make sense
30:15
Speaker 1: of what we are learning. Also, Lauren Conlin, we are
30:19
Speaker 1: learning that the defense made an argument to the jury
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Speaker 1: through their cross examination and in their opening statements that
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Speaker 1: the victims in this case were quote strong women that
30:34
Speaker 1: had millions of reasons to stay in the relationship with
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Speaker 1: Shawn Combs. In other words, that is a peak and
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Speaker 1: to what their cross examination is going to be of
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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventira trying to state that she wanted to be
30:47
Speaker 1: in the relationship, she was a willing participant in the relationship,
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Speaker 1: and she got a lot of money from Sean Combs.
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Speaker 1: Do you see that going anywhere? Do you recall that
30:59
Speaker 1: was part of their opening statements.
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Speaker 6: Yes, it was part of their opening statements. They made
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Speaker 6: a point to say that these women are all in
31:06
Speaker 6: control of their lives. The other Jane, she is a
31:10
Speaker 6: single mom. They said, she makes decisions, you know, for
31:13
Speaker 6: her children and for her family, so she could easily
31:15
Speaker 6: get out of this relationship. But what I do think
31:18
Speaker 6: was interesting, Nancy is. During Cassie's testimony, she said that
31:22
Speaker 6: Sean Holmes did pay for a number of her homes,
31:25
Speaker 6: but she paid for a home, a home that she
31:27
Speaker 6: had in Studio City, and she was thrilled that she
31:30
Speaker 6: could finally pay for a home. And she wasn't tethered
31:34
Speaker 6: to Shawn Holmes. She had something of her own. So
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Speaker 6: I thought this was really interesting. You know, it made
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Speaker 6: us realize that she wasn't heavily reliant on him. She
31:44
Speaker 6: did want to separate from him. He was just making
31:46
Speaker 6: it incredibly difficult to do.
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Speaker 1: So, Guys, the argument is going to be made to
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Speaker 1: the jury not to believe Cassie Ventura now on the
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Speaker 1: stand throughout the afternoon, the jury listening intently to everything
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Speaker 1: she has to say, and to you. Sidney Sumner joining us,
32:05
Speaker 1: also covering the case from the very beginning, Crime Story's
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. She made quite the impression when she walked
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Speaker 1: into that courtroom, even though Sean Comes had at one
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Speaker 1: point demanded the jury not be exposed to her pregnant stomach.
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Speaker 1: Describe what she looked like, Sidney Fancy.
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Speaker 8: Today, Cassie's wearing a body con a tight turtleneck brown
32:27
Speaker 8: dress to really show off that baby bump, so the
32:31
Speaker 8: jury is very interested in her. Homes actually turned around
32:36
Speaker 8: in his seat to watch her as she crossed the
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Speaker 8: room to the witness stand. Kathy is very obviously about
32:42
Speaker 8: to pop. She's eight and a half months pregnant, so
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Speaker 8: that's very clear.
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Speaker 3: Garagos also insists the women in the government claims Combs
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Speaker 3: exploited were absolutely they're willingly. Garigs says the women who
32:54
Speaker 3: will take the stand against Combs were strong, capable, and
32:58
Speaker 3: in love with the men they now call their abuser.
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Speaker 3: Garrigos points out that Cassie stayed for ten years. Garrigo says, well,
33:05
Speaker 3: everyone may agree that Combs was a bad boyfriend, he
33:08
Speaker 3: did not force women to be with him. Garrigos suggests
33:11
Speaker 3: that Comb's abusers have several million reasons to come forward now,
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Speaker 3: all of them money.
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Speaker 1: A bad boyfriend. I'm so glad they said that in
33:23
Speaker 1: opening statements. I'm so glad that they reduced the state's
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Speaker 1: case down and everything these victims have to say to
33:29
Speaker 1: Shawn COM's being a bad Oh, there it is again.
33:33
Speaker 1: The defense actually said this is all about Shawn Comb's
33:37
Speaker 1: being a bad boyfriend. Well, a multi count federal indictment
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Speaker 1: says something very different straight out to special guests joining
33:44
Speaker 1: us Rob Shooter. She the prosecutor, Emily Johnson stated that
33:48
Speaker 1: there were two Shawn Combs. The one that beats people,
33:53
Speaker 1: leaving knots on their heads, dragging them up and down halls,
33:57
Speaker 1: just performing all sorts of dem demeaning and humiliating acts
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Speaker 1: on the women. But then there's the other. Sean comes
34:08
Speaker 1: the start, the celebrity who's charming and gregarious. Did you
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Speaker 1: see both sides of comes we knew worked for him
34:16
Speaker 1: as a public relations person.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, didd he is a very very complicated person. He's
34:20
Speaker 2: very much in control. He controls his own narrative. He
34:24
Speaker 2: determines how he wants to be presented, he determines what
34:28
Speaker 2: photographs he wants released of him. And so this is
34:30
Speaker 2: a celebrity who's very aware of manipulating his public image.
34:35
Speaker 2: He's done really really good job of convincing us that
34:39
Speaker 2: he is somebody that now we know isn't the truth.
34:43
Speaker 2: And so I think with Diddy, we all see one
34:46
Speaker 2: side of him for over what two decades? Now we
34:49
Speaker 2: think we know Didd he he's that fun guy.
34:51
Speaker 10: Look at him.
34:51
Speaker 2: Partying is out, he throws great events, he's funny. We've
34:56
Speaker 2: seen him on talk shows where he's been witty and charming.
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Speaker 10: I know that that isn't the truth. That did he
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Speaker 10: did hey.
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Speaker 2: Behind the scenes. The truth about Diddy is much much
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Speaker 2: more dark.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to circle back to you, but
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Speaker 1: you sparked a thought in my mind. Back out to
35:14
Speaker 1: the courthouse with Lauren Collins standing by, is it true
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Speaker 1: that Sean Combs actually took out a Bible in front
35:18
Speaker 1: of the jury.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he appeared to be flipping through a Bible at
35:21
Speaker 6: one point. He gave a thumbs up to his kids,
35:24
Speaker 6: waved and blue kisses at his mother and he Yeah,
35:28
Speaker 6: he did seemed to calm down after that. And when
35:31
Speaker 6: the jury walked in, I noticed that Diddy did not
35:36
Speaker 6: take his eyes off of them.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: Eric Fattus, veteran trial lawyer joining me out of Colorado
35:44
Speaker 1: founding partner Varner Fattus, elite legal former felony prosecutor. I'm
35:50
Speaker 1: all for reading the Bible, and I am all for
35:53
Speaker 1: being close to the Lord, but when it is used
35:58
Speaker 1: as a stunt, I mean, it's one thing to ask forgiveness.
36:03
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm certainly no biblical scholar. Right, It's one
36:06
Speaker 1: thing to ask for forgiveness, but it's another thing to
36:10
Speaker 1: ask for our Holy Father to get our ass out
36:15
Speaker 1: of a slang technical legal term, I mean, it's a ploy,
36:19
Speaker 1: fattest a ploy. And I find that very off putting,
36:26
Speaker 1: very off putting. Not necessarily the family, because I can
36:29
Speaker 1: only imagine what comes to his mother is going through.
36:32
Speaker 1: But I mean, in my mind, his family is innocent.
36:36
Speaker 1: You know, he's got those young girls and other children,
36:38
Speaker 1: but him the gall trying to use the Bible, the
36:42
Speaker 1: Holy Bible as a prop.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, this one seems hard for even me to the financy.
36:48
Speaker 4: I mean, look in the courtroom, it appears so transparent
36:52
Speaker 4: what he's trying to do in terms of garnering sympathy.
36:55
Speaker 4: He should be paying attention to the trots. He should
36:57
Speaker 4: be giving input to his counsel. He should be listening
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Speaker 4: to the testimony and raising points with his attorneys that
37:03
Speaker 4: they can used to try to help it. Instead, he's
37:06
Speaker 4: sitting there kind of putting on this act with the
37:08
Speaker 4: Bible that everybody and their brother can see right through.
37:11
Speaker 1: I think back to Rob Sheoter joining us, we see
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Speaker 1: him manipulating the jury in the way he is dressing.
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Speaker 1: I mean just curious. Did you ever see Sean Comes
37:22
Speaker 1: wearing reading glasses?
37:24
Speaker 8: Never?
37:25
Speaker 10: Not once.
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Speaker 2: I never saw him without his head being perfectly styled.
37:30
Speaker 2: I never saw him without a Maani, a Gucci, a
37:33
Speaker 2: product you know.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday I was told, no way would Shawn Combs have
37:39
Speaker 1: a stylist. B s. He's got a stylist, He's got
37:44
Speaker 1: a jury consultant, He's got a fleet of highly paid
37:46
Speaker 1: lawyers to the tune of ten million dollars. So is
37:53
Speaker 1: there any chance in h e double l that Shawn
37:58
Speaker 1: Comes His outfits are not carefully orchestrated. No chance.
38:03
Speaker 2: He will have looked over look books. He will have
38:05
Speaker 2: had conversations whether or not he should be wearing his
38:08
Speaker 2: own fashion line. He has a fashion line called Sean John.
38:11
Speaker 2: They decided against this, and so I've never seen him
38:15
Speaker 2: in a button down white shirt and a sweater at
38:19
Speaker 2: a jumper.
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Speaker 10: That just isn't how he dresses.
38:22
Speaker 2: But that's how he's going to dress for the next
38:24
Speaker 2: couple of weeks because he wants that jewelry to think
38:28
Speaker 2: of him as mister Rogers, the neighbor next door, the
38:31
Speaker 2: guy they can trust that's what he wants them to think,
38:35
Speaker 2: and that's what he's selling. And I got to admit it, Nancy,
38:39
Speaker 2: I'm not happy about this, but I think he's doing
38:41
Speaker 2: a pretty good job at selling this side of him.
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Speaker 1: Wash your filthy mouth out with soap you brought up,
38:50
Speaker 1: mister Rogers. Let me ask you, in all the time
38:55
Speaker 1: that you worked for Sean Combs, did you ever see
39:00
Speaker 1: him read the Bible? Never?
39:04
Speaker 10: Once?
39:04
Speaker 2: I didn't see him quote the Bible talk about the Bible.
39:08
Speaker 2: There was only one God in Didy's world, and that
39:11
Speaker 2: was Did.
39:12
Speaker 1: Did he raging over last week's TUTSI roll reveal? Oh? No? Did?
39:18
Speaker 1: He's really angry this time? So he's mad about his
39:23
Speaker 1: TITSI roll? Everybody finding out about that he is mad about?
39:26
Speaker 1: What is he mad about? Throngs of people not coming
39:30
Speaker 1: to the courthouse. Ever since I started investigating Shaw Combs,
39:35
Speaker 1: all I've thought about was candy, candy, candy. You know what.
39:39
Speaker 1: I can barely open this tutsi rold Midgie. You know
39:45
Speaker 1: suddenly I've lost my appetite Shawn Combs, and I think
39:48
Speaker 1: it's because of you. We are learning that in one
39:52
Speaker 1: episode one freak ofugh as it is ephemistically called some
39:56
Speaker 1: people call it sex trafficking. That Shaw com actually dressed
40:02
Speaker 1: as a Muslim woman and a conservative dress a burka
40:07
Speaker 1: where all you see are just the little slits of
40:10
Speaker 1: the eyes. Now, yes, Sean Combs was dressed and conservative
40:18
Speaker 1: female Muslim dress at berka from the neck up, from
40:23
Speaker 1: the neck down. Quite the dichotomy. He was entirely nude.
40:28
Speaker 1: Straight out to Lauren Colin standing by at the courthouse,
40:32
Speaker 1: uh burka, who is the punisher?
40:36
Speaker 6: We heard the testimony of Shara Hayes aka the Punisher.
40:41
Speaker 6: Another escort that used to work with Cassie and Ditty,
40:44
Speaker 6: and this escort testified that he heard Cassie sigh a
40:49
Speaker 6: few times when she was being directed by Ditty during
40:52
Speaker 6: these freak offs.
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Speaker 5: He mentioned a lot of.
40:54
Speaker 6: The same things that the other escort mentioned on the stand.
40:58
Speaker 6: Daniel Phillip, the way the room setup.
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Speaker 1: Right now, we not only remember, but we acknowledge American heroes,
41:07
Speaker 1: typically women from every corner of our great country, that
41:12
Speaker 1: come forward and speak out against rape, against sex trafficking,
41:18
Speaker 1: against abuse, even though they are facing horrible odds, possibly retribution,
41:28
Speaker 1: possibly losing their job, possibly losing their career, but coming
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Speaker 1: forward and speaking the truth to all of you witnesses,
41:41
Speaker 1: all of you victims. We salute you, and please never
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Speaker 1: be quiet. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,