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Olivier Melnick: Who Really Belongs To The Synagogue Of Satan? · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity, no topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Friends and family in Christ, welcome.
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  Thank you so much for watching and listening, and I want to share some good news right
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  off the top.
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  And our guest today, Olivier Melnik, with Shalom in Messiah Ministries, will get to him
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  in a minute.
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  There he is.
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  But I want to make sure you know that we now have the website for the conference up and
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  running it as live.
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  You can register and get tickets for the World View Matters conference.
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  There it is.
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  And we've got Olivier coming to Green Bay, Wisconsin, and it's not going to be winter.
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  So the Texan won't freeze when he comes up here.
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  So there it is.
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  Olivier and many other great guests, including we just added Alex Newman and Brianna Clawson
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  from Harbinger's Daily and more.
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  So you can go to worldviewmattersconference.com.
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  That's worldviewmattersconference.com and we'll tell you more about it as you know the
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  weeks go on.
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  But Olivier, brother, thank you so much for your time today.
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  Good to see you.
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  Hey, happy to be on your show again.
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  And I think it's the first of 26.
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  So for you and I, so happy new year.
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  It's still a happy new year.
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  Yeah, we're moving through January.
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  So we're going to talk about a couple of different things today.
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  But before we do, am I, there's so many people I talk to.
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  Did you just recently take a trip to Israel?
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  Aren't you just there in the last couple of months?
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  And if so, tell us about that.
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  Tell us about that.
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  I was, I took a group to, to Israel of about 43 people for like, you know, regular tour
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  in end of October of last year.
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  It was, it was great tour.
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  Tourism is still slowly picking up.
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  So we didn't have a lot of traffic.
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  There was a lot of space to do things and it was just great.
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  It was a, it was a wonderful thing.
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  And we have another one that we are putting together for October of this year, October
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  23rd through the 2nd of November.
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  This one is going to be an incredible one because in the middle of the tour, Brandon Holthouse,
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  Tom Hughes and I are putting together a prophecy conference with special guests in the
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  Galilee.
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  So it's going to be absolutely, absolutely incredible.
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  We have a tour and a prophecy conference in Israel and it's going to be very, very exciting.
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  So they can find out on our website.
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  Okay.
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  Shalom in messiah.com.
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  So Olivier, how does, let's just jump right into our, we want to talk maybe about New
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  York, Mamdani, the red green axis, great article on your website, by the way.
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  But how does the synagogue of Satan plan to the biblical worldview?
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  How does that fit?
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  We know it's mentioned in Revelation.
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  We don't hear many teachings on that.
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  And so go ahead and just start.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, the reason why we're bringing this up, David, you know, we don't want to, we don't
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  want to throw that term out like it sounds like it's in the vacuum.
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  Like let's talk about that today.
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  That sounds like a fun topic.
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  What happened is that on the, the night of January 10th in Jackson, Mississippi, young
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  man, Stephen Pittman, not Jewish, by the way, young man, got into a synagogue, set it on fire,
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  and the only synagogue in Jackson, Mississippi, which was already attacked once in the 60s
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  for supporting the civil right movement, but that's another story.
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  So set the thing ablaze.
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  They lost several of their Torah scrolls.
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  Most of their library, a lot of damage, no lives, no, no injuries, which was good, but
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  you did it.
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  And he was caught within a day, his father gave him, give him up, I think, give him away.
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  But he, when he was caught, when he was asked why he did it, he just did not even hide.
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  He said, well, he did it because they have Jewish ties in that building.
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  And because they are a synagogue of Satan.
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  And then almost in the same breath, he said that Jesus is Lord.
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  So that is a real problem because we already have, as believers, the Christian community
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  has a very bad reputation to rebuild with the Jewish community over the last 2,000 years.
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  And when things like this happen, especially at a time when the Jewish community is so desperate
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  for some sense of security, some sense of safety where Jews don't know where to go.
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  And always watching their backs right now in 2026 since October 7th of 2023, this creates
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  a real problem.
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  And the problem is caused by this scripture taking completely out of context.
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  Now, all my desk, I have a coffee mug, I should pull it out because I always talk about
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  it, but I don't show it.
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  I stole the idea from Andy Woods desk.
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  It says, I can do all things through a verse, taken out of context.
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  Oh, it's I love that coffee mug, but, but, you know, a verse taken out of context can be,
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  can be annoying, but, but not damaging.
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  You can be like, that's not the context.
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  The context is this, not that you're pushing your agenda, but it's very often it's not
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  a big deal.
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  Like, you know, small stuff, small potatoes, but in the case of this one, that verse has
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  and can become lethal again.
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  And the synagogue of Satan is found twice, that term is found twice in the first few chapters
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  of Revelation.
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  29, I know your tribulation and your poverty, but you are rich and the blasphemy by those
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  who say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
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  And then in the next chapter, three nine, it's easy to remember, two nine, three nine,
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  the old, I'm giving up those of the synagogue of Satan, those who said that they are Jews,
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  but are not, but lie.
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  So we have a description here.
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  This is a, it appears to be a synagogue.
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  Now what's a synagogue?
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  When you think synagogue in modern time, you think Jewish bliss of worship and in community
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  gathering for weddings, bar mitzvahs and, you know, different events in Jewish holidays.
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  Back in the day, when this was written, they used in the Greek and the coin in Greek,
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  the word synagogue, which is different from church, church, the word is ecclesia.
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  That's a different word.
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  Synagogue, at the core, the meaning of the word is simply assembly, gathering, get together,
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  and it could include, and it did back in the days when they first started using the word,
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  it includes assemblies of Jews and Gentiles together.
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  So it did not have back then the strict meaning of a building, of a Jewish community,
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  when they hold services for, you know, within the tenets of Judaism.
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  And so the word simply means an assembly or a gathering.
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  As a matter of fact, if you go to James 2,2 in James 2,2, it talks about, for if a man comes
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  into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in bright clothes, so on, so forth.
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  And so in that context, you have the word assembly in James is the word synagogue.
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  It can mean simply assembly.
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  So we have to forget the idea of modern day synagogue is just a gathering.
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  That's the first thing.
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  Then people go like, well, you know, it's conflict between Christianity and Judaism.
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  Well, you have to remember, back in those days, it was more of an intramural,
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  an intramamily argument, all the gospel writers, except for Luke, you know,
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  they all were Jewish and even looking, you know, or not even so 100% sure.
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  They're all Jewish, Jewish context, Jewish audience.
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  It was a family discussion.
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  It was not Christianity versus Judaism.
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  You know, Christianity in the early, in its infancy was, was, was, was Jewish.
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  You know, it's, it was biblical Judaism fulfilled.
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  That's what it was.
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  And so you've got those two terms here, those two verses that talk about the synagogue of Satan.
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  And people are going, see, this is a description of how evil and demon possess the Jews are.
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  Jesus calls them the synagogue of Satan.
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  So the next question David is, who is Jesus speaking of?
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  Well, scholars and theologians are divided and either can actually work in the context.
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  I have a preference, I'll tell you why in a minute, but let me give you both.
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  It's either a group of unbelieving Jews who are fighting the Messianic believers
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  and they don't agree with their following the teaching of Jesus of Yeshua.
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  And they're like in the way and there is a, there is tension.
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  And there is, there's arguing.
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  So it's either that or it's a group of Gentile Jew wannabes.
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  And we have a modern version of this nowadays called the Hebrew Roots Movement.
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  But so it's a group of Gentile Jew wannabes who want to, in essence, back then, let's convert
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  to Judaism and get circumcised and, and, and, and, and, and because this is what needs
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  to happen.
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  We can get into the family of God and get saved and, and, and so they, they, they missed
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  the point of, you know, saved by grace through faith alone.
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  And, you know, Acts 15, the, you know, Jerusalem Council takes care of that or try to take
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  care of that.
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  So either a group of Jews going after Jewish believers or a group of Gentiles pretending
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  to be Jews going after believers in general.
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  And I'm, I'm opting for the second one simply because Jesus in His own words told us
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  twice now they are, they called us themselves Jews, but they are not and they are liars.
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  So I'm thinking it seems to be describing more of a group of people pretending to be
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  Jewish and going through the motions just to, to pretend to be, you know, spiritual enough
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  so that they can be saved, which, of course, goes against the gospel.
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  The final point, because we have other topics that I want to get too long here, the final,
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  the final point on this, David, is that so it could be either or it doesn't matter who
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  the audience was at the time.
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  What matters is that anti-Semites over the ages have taken that verse and applied it to
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  Jewish people in a negative, a nefarious way saying, hey, see, the Jews are demon possessed.
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  They cannot be trusted to synagogue Satan.
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  I mean, you look at Candace Owens, she's used that terminology, she's used, she said
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  to synagogue of Satan, to tell Moody Jew, she, she uses that and in, in that context.
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  But here's a, here's a problem with doing it that way.
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  One of the problem is that it is not, it is not to be seen as normative and, and universal.
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  It's not a continual thing like when, when God said you shall not kill or love your
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  neighbors and yourself, that's pretty much a statement that he made that still goes for
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  today.
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  It's still valid today.
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  That is not just historical, it's normative.
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  It's part of what God wants us to, how he wants us to behave as, as believers.
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  And it's, it's repeated in the law of Messiah beyond the law of Moses.
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  So we know it's, it's an ongoing thing.
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  But this synagogue, I've said in this assembly that was influenced by Satan, really, that's
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  what he says.
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  It was a historical event and, and it, and it cannot be applied to all Jews of all time
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  universally.
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  And by, by saying it that way, it's the same as saying, hey, and I'll give you a personal
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  story.
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  My mother, her father was taken by the Gestapo when she was 16 and they came to the house.
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  The Nazis took my grandfather, took him, put him on a train, took him, sent him to Auschwitz,
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  murdered him there.
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  And because of that, I will not step foot in Germany, I will not speak to a German person,
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  I will not have anything to do with anything German because all Germans are Nazis.
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  It's a similar.
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  Hmm.
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  So, clarify something, I, it's disturbing to hear some of them talk about the synagogue
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  of Satan and take it so out of context because if you just read the text, I mean, first of
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  all, back up, Revelation 2 and 3, these are letters, Jesus is speaking to Christian believers,
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  believers in Christ, Christian churches, the early churches in Asia Minor.
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  And so in these two cases in Smyrna and in Philadelphia, where the synagogue of Satan
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  is mentioned, both times, does it not say those who say they are Jews and are not?
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  He's describing a group of people pretending to be Jews, I think, but there is room for
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  the possibility of, you know, you could take it the other way by saying like, well, you
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  know, when Jesus speaks in Galatians 6, 16 of the Israel of God, you know, we say, well,
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  the Israel of God there is not the church.
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  The Israel of God in Galatians 6, 16 is a Jewish person ethnically Jewish like myself who
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  has accepted the claims of Yeshua as the Messiah, Savior of the world.
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  So I did that 42 years ago, so I am part of ethnic Israel by virtue of being Jewish, but
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  I'm also part of the Israel of God, a Galatians 6, 16.
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  So it could be argued that when Jesus speaks of those fake Jews or they're not Jews, maybe
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  he meant they're not Jews because they're not believers, the believers are the true Israel,
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  the Jewish believers, not the Christians, the Jewish believers are the true Israel of God.
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  So maybe he meant that that's possible.
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  But again, the most important part about the whole thing is that it is historical and
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  it cannot be normative on and on and on and universal for all Jews of all times.
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  That's the part that most people miss.
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  Okay, friends, if you want to dive into this a little bit more in depth in what Olivier
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  just explained, he's got an article on his website.
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  It's called who really belongs to the synagogue of Satan, and that is not Olivier's hand,
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  even though he said it was, it's not.
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  So go to Shalom in Messiah.com.
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  I just proved it.
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  We just proved it.
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  Yes.
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  So don't believe Photoshop and all that.
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  So go to Shalom in Messiah.com, click on blog, you can get to his other articles as well,
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  including, but not limited to, the article on Mamdani and what's going on in New York
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  is true colors.
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  And you've got him in green and red, explain that, the red, green axis, which today Olivier
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  think about 20 years ago, I think people would have probably maybe laughed at you if you
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  said, you know, someday, Islam and communism are going to work together.
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  And you know what I mean, people are you kidding me?
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  But here we are today, can touch on that very briefly, please.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  20, 30 years ago, only a few people dare mention this red, green axis and not be looked
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  at as crazy.
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  And one of them is a lady, she's an intellectual and a great, a great lady, her name, a pen
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  name is Bat Aor.
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  And she wrote a great book called Eurebia.
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  And she wrote that book in the mid-70s saying like, Europe is becoming Eurebia and then
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  give it another 20 or 30 years and it will be gone and look where we are.
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  She's still alive as she's, she's in her mid 80s and she spoke of that, you know, red
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  green axis, I believe, in her first couple of books, she's written many books.
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  The red green axis is basically this collaboration, this collaboration between the left communist
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  socialist Marxist, something that, you know, of course, Mamdani does not hide.
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  Then the green, which is the Islam, you know, Islamic or Quranic groups in the world,
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  which he also doesn't hide because he claims to be a Muslim.
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  Now how both could exist or coexist in the same person, that to me is a little puzzling
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  because when you really do a deep dive on the tenets of both and, you know, what makes,
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  you know, the Marxist tick and what make the radical Islam, there's a lot of disconnect
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  and they have different, there are two sides of spectrum, ideologically.
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  And again, we're seeing, we're only seeing this, this liberal and radical Islam or, you
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  know, I'm tired of seeing radical Islam, it's Islam, okay, it's not radical Islam, it's
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  Quranic Islam, Quranic Islam, that's what it is.
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  You follow the word of the Quran, you have no choice but to be a radical Islam, period.
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  And a radical Islam is different from radical Christian, a radical Christian is someone
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  who's on fire for Jesus, who wants to see people saved, who wants to see people in heaven
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  for eternity, a radical Muslim has no problem lying, killing, sorry, okay.
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  Nope, I agree and that's because there's an understanding that there are some Muslims
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  that are like nominal, in other words, they don't follow the Quran or the Hadith or the teachings
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  of Muhammad or the traditions and all that.
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  They're cultural.
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  They're cultural Muslims.
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  Well, they're cultural Christians too.
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  You know, it's like me, I was, even though I was born by blood, I was, you know, Jewish
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  mum and dad were Jewish, as far as religiously speaking, I was a cultural Jew, didn't go
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  to synagogue, didn't do Hebrew school, you know, it was like, we didn't care, that's
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  not the way I was raised, we didn't keep kosher, you know, I've never felt more Jewish
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  than since I found my Messiah, just a little side note here, Jewish Messiah Yeshua.
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  So we've got this Mamdani guy who is trying to reconcile both enemies of Israel.
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  Oh, I should say two of the many enemies of Israel, that's more accurate currently.
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  And we need to keep an eye on that Mamdani guy because he's doing, he's not hiding things.
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  He's not saying one thing and doing another like a lot of people did in the Middle East
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  and, you know, starting in the 60s all the way through the last, maybe 10 years, you
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  know, saying, you know, like Arifat was famous for speaking something in Arabic to Al-Jazira
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  and speaking something in English for MSNBC or CNN or Fox or whatever, and there were two
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  different messages when you thought it was the same thing.
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  And so, he's not hiding his true colors.
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  Is there revealed within minutes of taking office, he said he was no longer supporting the
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  definition, the accepted definition for anti-Semitism.
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  He was reopening, you know, like he said, anybody who wants to promote BDS in New York is
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  welcome to do it.
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  You know, the boycott of Israeli organizations and goods, he said, that's no problem.
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  He said things in a leaked memo, and I have that in a couple of articles prior to that
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  one on our blog about Mamdani who can find it.
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  He said in the leaked memo, it was not supposed to be found that if he had his ways, he didn't
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  say if he had his way, but on his wish list is to take the 501C3 status from organization
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  who do anything to support the idea.
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  Like our organization, Shell and Messiah, we go to Israel, we bring supplies, we buy equipment,
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  we buy supplies, defensive only, but we still buy a lot of stuff through our donors
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  at Shell and Messiah.
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  And if I was in New York and he had the way to do it, he's the mayor, he can't do it,
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  he would do that.
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  But see, what people don't think about is that Mamdani is not just wanting to be the
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  mayor, he's acting as if he was already like the governor of New York.
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  And I think his aspirations are to become the governor of New York.
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  And then just spread the tentacles of his ideologies, not ideology because he's going
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  both, which will be very, very nefarious for Israel.
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  And for New Yorkers, I have a lot of people leaving right now.
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  Okay, I want to read something from just the very beginning of that article and let people
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  go there and get more.
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  And then I have a question to ask you about this.
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  You say within hours of being sworn in, by the way, friends, if you have not heard, I
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  hope most of you know that Mamdani was sworn in on the Quran, not on the Holy Bible.
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  This is America.
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  He was sworn in on the Quran as New York City's mayor and he immediately revoked nine executive
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  orders put in place by Eric Adams, the previous mayor.
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  Now this includes order 51, which was established to combat anti-Semitism.
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  So Olivier, the question is, I can't imagine all New Yorkers going along with this.
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  This guy didn't fly into the radar.
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  He was campaigning.
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  You heard pretty much by his language that what he wanted to do, but yet he got enough votes.
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  How do you make sense of that?
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  Now, let me additionally to my question, is part of the answer the, what you wrote about
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  in the normalization of anti-Semitism?
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  Is it to become that normalized that they just listen to him and go, yeah, I agree with
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  Mamdani.
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  Is that part of it?
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  The meaning, what defines Jewish identity in the 21st century is shifted from what
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  defined Jewish identity 20, 30, 40 years ago, Jews, especially in America, I think.
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  Jews today are not connected to their heritage from a spiritual perspective and many of them,
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  I mean, 15% of the Jewish people are religious.
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  So many, many of the Jews are not related to their Jewish heritage from a spiritual perspective.
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  They're also not really connected with Israel.
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  So the land, the people, it's not a big deal to them.
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  So it's more about Jewishness, you know, a bagel and a couple of Jewish words.
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  But then you want to push the social justice because it gives you this self-righteous feeling
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  that you're doing something right, even if it goes against everything that is written
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  in the Bible.
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  And if it goes against Israel's right to, you know, the self-determination and right
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  to exist.
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  So a Jew today can be a self-defeating Jew.
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  I recently found out, David, in it, it broke my heart that in 1993, Steven Spielberg,
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  when he did the movie in 1993, a Shindluz list, which I still think to this day, is one
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  of my absolute favorite movies that hasn't changed.
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  He said, I cannot take any of that money, it's blood money.
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  I will have to start a foundation and we'll use the money from that to educate against
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  a racism, anti-semitism, and about the Holocaust.
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  And I thought, hey, you know what, bravo, that's, I would have done the same thing.
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  So he did.
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  And so that foundation has raised millions of dollars in recently, 650,000, and I have
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  all the documentation, if anybody's interested, 650,000 of that money that he raised was donated
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  to another organization known as Terua, Tia Pasrafi, R-U-A-H, Terua, and who's a CEO does
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  not believe Israel has the right to exist and believes, believes that Hamas has the right
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  to fight and is pro-Hamas.
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  That's Steven Spielberg's foundation, sending money.
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  So we have a Jew who did Shindluz list in 1993, 7, 20, 33 years ago.
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  And now it's like, to him being Jewish is maybe having a Jewish name, eating a bagel, and
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  promoting social justice, even if it throws a lot of Israel and the Jews under the bus.
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  That's where we are.
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  Boy, that sounds like a contradiction, doesn't it?
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  It sure is.
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  Yeah, I don't understand.
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  I mean, there is another group known as Naturi Karta.
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  I think it's Keeper of the Gates, or in their group of Orthodox that live in Israel,
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  and they absolutely do not believe that Jews, that they are anti-Zionist Jews.
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  That's another contradiction in terms.
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  But they're a disgrace, but they're a very small group.
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  But Steven Spielberg has done so much good with that movie, and he started a lot of good
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  things.
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  And now he's promoting this, he's funneling, you know, funding anti-Jewish pro-Hamas
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  groups.
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  David, I don't know what you think anymore.
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  Okay, real quick, Olivia, we've just got two minutes left.
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  I knew it would go by fast with you, brother.
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  You did a video with Brandon Holthaus, who I've got coming up in a few weeks again.
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  I love this brother, and by the way, he does work for the IDF and supports Israel as well.
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  And the title over on your YouTube channel is The Remnant Church Crumbling Under Pressure.
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  Now if it just said, is the church crumbling under pressure, I would kind of understand
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  that.
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  The Remnant Church, can you kind of just explain that briefly?
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  By the way, Brandon and I actually are partners in ministry in Israel.
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  We do, we rent a property and we do things together.
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  Every time I go to Israel, I go with some of his staff.
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  We join forces, and it's just, he's a wonderful man of God.
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  There's only one Brandon, it's incredible.
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  I am so blessed to know him.
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  Yeah, we, I got a, I got a phone call from the other day, and he was really upset
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  trembling on the phone.
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  He's going, Olivia, people in my own church have been teaching them for over four years
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  about Israel, about the, about the truth, and now they're turning.
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  They're saying the Holocaust was not six million.
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  They're saying, this is inflated, conflated, this is not, was, I don't know, I don't know
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  what to do with you.
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  It's my own people, and you know how bold I am about all those things.
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  So The Remnant Church is those who support Israel, you know, the, the true Christians
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  and that, that will, you know, come to the surface at the time of the apostasy, which
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  I think we're right now.
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  And even in that, it's, it's starting to crumble.
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  It's, it's very scary.
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  We need to pray and we need, we need to make sure we're in our Bibles.
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  Discernment is one of the words of the year.
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  Shalom in Messiah.com, Olivia and Melnik, we will talk to you again soon, my friend.
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  Thanks for your time.
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  God bless you.
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  Thanks brother.
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  Friends, thank you again.
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  Look up the World View Matters Conference.com and Olivia and others coming to Green Bay.
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  Thank you so much for sharing the podcast.
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  God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.