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#472 Safeguarding Our Children's Future: Confronting the Moral and Educational Challenges of Today with Undercover Crime Investigator Thomas Hampson · Claymore: Become Who You Are

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Become who you Are podcast, the production of the John Paul Tour Renewal Center.
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: I'm Jack Riggers, your host, and I'm glad you're with me today.
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to do is to be with my good buddy, tom Hampson.
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: He's been a crime investigator for over 50 years, beginning with intelligence work with the US Air Force.
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: Tom that went on to become the chief investigator for the Illinois Crime Investigating Committee, where he directed an eight-year investigation into the sexual exploitation of children, including the commercial sex trade.
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: Tom keeps up on this.
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: Tom and I have one thing in common.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: We hope you have the same thing in common.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: We have to go out and protect children.
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: It's amazing evil going on today and we have to stand for children.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: We have to stand for parents.
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: It's so nefarious so I'm not going to tell you much more than that.
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: Tom just wrote a recent article.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite things to do is unpack Tommy's articles it's nose and the tent Buckle up and get ready for today's episode.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: I am grateful, as always, and excited to be with my good friend Tom Hampson from the Truth Alliance Foundation.
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: Tom has been a crime investigator his whole life, undercover work with the Ku Klux Klan and protecting children.
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: That's a big thing that Tom and I started to work on.
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: I went undercover for child sex trafficking, child porn Amazing evil going on in the world.
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: Tom, good to be with you.
• 1:44
  Speaker 1: How are you?
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: I'm good.
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: It's good to be here.
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: You know you said to me the first time we met Tom you said we're not going to arrest our way out of this.
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: These evils that we're seeing come into the world and it's accelerating.
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: We all have a sense of this.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: I think anybody that's searching for the truth has a sense of this evil and the divisions that are being caused.
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: Nothing more divisive than these ideologies and these laws pushing to protect these ideologies in the public school system.
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: You and I recorded not long ago about the parental, the really going after parents and 4876 that stand up against these ideologies and their kids, the trans ideologies and all these different things and puberty blockers and abortions for kids, and if a parent stands up for them, they can actually they're cited for harming their children.
• 2:37
  Speaker 1: You can't make this stuff up.
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: So now you wrote an article.
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: It's it's nose in the tent and you're talking really about bullying and a new law coming in in Illinois.
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: But this really is, is is a universal thing.
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: You know, for those of you that are out of state and even out of the country that are listening to this, you see this sense of these active activists pushing these laws into education, to kids and to families all over the all over the world right now and they're underlying all of this and, tom, you're going to come in here but underlying all of this is really protecting these, these forced divisions in the schools, critical race theory, gender theory.
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: You know any?
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: Anybody that wants to stand up for religious beliefs, for the 10 commandments, for moral, objective moral law.
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: I think it really comes down to this.
• 3:33
  Speaker 1: You know this is a battle between good and evil, objective moral law and that's what our laws are based on objective moral law.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: You know, don't lie, don't cheat, don't steal, don't murder, don't don't cause violence to your neighbor.
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: When you take those out, then everything's up for grabs and everything becomes subjective.
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: So you have CRT in there.
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, tom, what does CRT do?
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: It just causes division between us and starts all of this violence.
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: And we see this bullying out in the school.
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: We started these gender ideologies and what did they do?
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: They divide us into all these labels and they call it cause anxiety, depression.
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: And again, you see these battles going on in the school you had mentioned right before we came on.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: We removed prayer and we bring these secular religions in.
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: We take out the 10 commandments, we we introduce all these gender ideologies, we take out the flag and we start flying everybody else's flag.
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: But I just saw and then I'll shut up, but I'm on a little bit on a roll, just my.
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: My heart and my mind have been really seeing this all over A young guy has has a truck, he drives the school, he's a sophomore or junior in school, he's got an American flag on the back of it and the principal of the school demands that he takes the flag down and he won't do it.
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: And the next day he's got I think two dozen other young guys start to fly their flag in their trucks.
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: It's got to be Texas, probably.
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: This is happening and and and then the principal back down and you see, you know the, you have to push back against this time.
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: So I think this episode and talking about this bullying law coming down is very, very important.
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: If we don't stand up against this, we, we, we see what's happening, right, so tell us a little bit about the article and about where you're getting at with this.
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a stark contrast.
• 5:25
  Speaker 2: You mentioned about the laws that are based on moral principles, about you can't steal, you can't hurt people there's all kinds of things that are prohibitions, but in traditionally, there have been consequences for violating those laws, violating those principles.
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: But now we've gotten into the point where, instead of instead of looking for consequences, appropriate consequences for violations, the left wants us to understand why these people are violating the laws and principles.
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: And if we understand better, then we'll have better relationships.
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: And they're and they will stop violating those laws and principles.
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: Once they're understood, once they, once they have a voice, once you know we we reorder society to accommodate what they want, then everything will be fine.
• 6:19
  Speaker 2: And in this case, here's a the anti bullying law.
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: Which who can be against an anti bullying law, right?
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: The problem is that unless, unless, unless you, unless you think about what I said in the beginning.
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: They caused the problem and now they're going to bring the solution into a problem that that they cause, or at least accelerate this problem of bullying.
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: Right, take discipline out of the school, take fathers out of the homes, a breakup marriage and the family and and and and these kids have no discipline in the house, so they come in anyways and then inject all these ideologies and and and again, these divisions.
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: It's like chaos, tom.
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: I mean they've caused this is the Marxist utopia.
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: Right and we're in the middle.
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: It's always a revolution without a solution.
• 7:12
  Speaker 1: You know it's always a revolution.
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: They're always going to break down society, but the hope and change is always just hope and change, and it all does is break down the culture and the society.
• 7:22
  Speaker 1: You know, there's never it's never solved anything, has it.
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: Right, no, it's a.
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: What happened, was that In in 2000?
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: Well, there was an anti-bullying law that was introduced in like 2006, 2007, and then in in 2010, there were some revisions that they wanted to make.
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: So they set up a like commission or or a task force to study the problem of bullying and coming come up with better, a better solution to it and what In.
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: In that investigation they found here's I'll give you a quote from the report recent youth suicides only highlight a persistent problem in us schools bullying, bullying.
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: Illinois is not immune to this.
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: Indeed, bullying and school violence or serious problems in our schools across the state.
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: Being a target or victim of bullying has long been recognized as having short and long-term psychological effects on children and adolescents.
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: Recent studies are supporting what we have suspected for years.
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: Bullying and violence have serious consequences to youth, schools and communities.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: Well, they had to have a task force to to understand this.
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: This is this is ridiculous.
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is ridiculous.
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, kids are kids that are bullied in school.
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: They don't do well.
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: Their life is miserable.
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: Now the the schools are there, there's bullying, even of teachers.
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: There's a massive increase in bullying of teachers around the country.
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: And so now they come up with this brilliant discovery, like 10 years ago, that oh, bullying is a problem, and so what they wanted to do is that they, they decided that they had to look and see what the causes are, and and they this.
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: They came up with the causes as primarily being A systemic cultural issue, such as racism, sexism, classism, adultism, ableism and homophobia Homophobia that contribute to negative and hostile environments for youth and adults.
• 9:27
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm sorry, these are new views of what bullying is.
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: I was I'm a lot older than anybody in school right now and, and everybody was bullied.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid and this is 60 years, 60, 70 years ago people, there was bullying all the time.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: Somebody was always bullying somebody else and it was never any good, and I remember that In our schools they just didn't tolerate it.
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: If a teacher found out about it it they would put it into it, and so there was much less bullying Back when I was in school, and there is now, because now they say, well, it's because of they excuse it on the basis of Of some kind of ism or phobia, and so now kids are given a pass, yeah, so let's, let's, let's make it clear up front.
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: I mean everybody, to your point.
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: Early, it was everybody hates bullies, right?
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: I mean anybody with any sense of morality, any sense of protecting the weak and the vulnerable, hates bullying.
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: Bullies are always the same, aren't they, tom?
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: They're always go after somebody weak.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: It's always been that way.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: They're gonna have to weak somebody a little out of a step with everybody else and, like you said.
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: So, when you inject all these gender ideologies and things and you're gonna have all these kids coming With different beliefs and different looks and and you're gonna only increase bullying.
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: You know you've got all kinds of things going on.
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: And then again you take out Morality, especially in the home.
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: You're taking out prayer out of the home most, most families that I see around and generalizing here but they're not praying like they used to, they're not going to mass, they're not going to church.
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: They're not going to mass, they're not going to church.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: They're they're not listening to the gospel.
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: So what happens?
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: You know the it's only gonna get worse, yeah, you know.
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: So you don't fear God and you don't fear your teacher, you don't fear authority.
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: So that's all broken down and and it's almost like you know what, what was the?
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: What was the?
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: The movie out with the boys that were, you know, turn loose.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, I remember it was the lord of the flies.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: Stranded on an island, a group of school boys Remember to generate in the savagery.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: Stranded on an island, a group of school boys degenerate into Savagery and and right and it's just doggy dog world out there.
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: You know, and that's what we are, without any.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: Again, getting back to my earlier thing, without any objective moral truth, the commandments, without being able to say hey, love God and the love your neighbor.
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: And if nobody teaches that we, we, we become the worst of animals, don't we?
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: But what the problem is that they have that this group of task force people have decided that the consequences for bullying behavior are counterproductive.
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know what genius came up with this.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: It's.
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely not somebody that knows anything about corrective behavior.
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: We've known In in criminal justice.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: We've known for, documented by research, we've known for more than a century that it isn't necessarily the severity of of consequences that deters somebody's behavior, it's the certainty of consequences.
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: If there is no certainty, you have no you, you have no deterrence.
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: And if there is no certainty of consequences for bullying in schools, there is no, no deterrence.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: But instead this group made up excuses for why Children engage in bullying behavior, and the excuse is it's a response to racism, homophobia or, or you know, sexism or any, any kind of ism.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: So here is the this is, this is the cause of the problem.
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: So what you need to do is you got to get rid of that cause.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: And so the solution that they came up with in in what the state the Illinois state of Illinois decided is the best solution, is not punitive measures but counseling and social, emotional learning introduced into the classroom.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: So, because that way we'll get all the kids in school, starting in an early age Learning how to better improve their relationships.
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: Well, a bully doesn't care about relationships, that's.
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: It's not because they, they have a problem with relationships that they're bullying.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: They're bullying because there are bullies.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: You know they, they're, they, you know they want to dominate somebody else, they want to control the situation.
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: They, you know they're, they're arrogant and they don't want, they don't you know they want to put, put other people down to make themselves feel better.
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: This is, this is an absolutely asinine approach to dealing with it.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: And so if you, if you're, if you're Evaluation of the problem is Well, it's, because it's it's response to racism and homophobia and all this other kind of stuff, well you're, you're off on the wrong track Right at the start.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: So now they want, they want to Expand their approach to prevent bullying from the public schools and the and the Private schools that are, that are not religious, into the religious schools.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: Well, that, that's where you run into a real problem from.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's, that's the crux of this new law, tom right, it is a hb 41, 33 Is pushing what?
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: The anti-bullying that you're describing down into all, all schools?
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Is that what it is now, including the religious schools?
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: So this is going to be forced on Christian schools, let's use for an example, and or or you know, jewish, I guess, to Jewish schools.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Islamic school, whatever it is, and at the end of the day, what happens is protecting all these ideologies, because anything that you would raise your voice against now would be called bullying Right.
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: So if I say as a student there that I believe that there's two genders, now I become not only stating an objective fact, or at least even if it was just my opinion, I should be able to state my opinion if I'm not violent, if I'm not bullying whatever, but the fact that I do now becomes bullying right.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're concerned about?
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not really as much that as it is that the source of the problem for the state is racism and homophobia and these other things.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: But as a Christian point of view, from the Christian perspective, the reason for bullying it is a systemic problem.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: But the systemic problem is sin.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with all these other isms and phobias.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: And for sure, somebody might be bullied because of racism.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: I've known guys in the past that were extremely racist and they would bully people who were blacks or people of color or whatever because of that.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: But the broader issue of bullying is far greater than just any ismophobia.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: There is something in that person.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: That person is a bully because they are sinful and so in church schools, religious schools, they look at the bullying as being a sin.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: And the way to deal with that sin is to have consequences for it.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: And that means to bully anybody, right?
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a sin to bully anybody or whatever.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: But if there is any difference, what reason it is that there's no reason.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: You know, our belief is that we do unto others as we'd have others do unto us, and so any behavior that's contrary to that we would consider sinful and require some kind of consequences.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: In some schools there's a corporal punishment, in other schools it's just maybe a suspension or in-house suspension.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: They have to stay after school or whatever.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Maybe you have to apologize to the person, make some kind of amends to the person, but there's corrective action that's taken In the public schools.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Their first approach is well, they need counseling.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Well, if somebody comes up and just beats the snot out of some other kid, counseling is not the first issue you need to deal with.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: That isn't.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: You really need to get control over the situation and say this is not acceptable.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And now even teachers in schools are concerned about being beat up by students.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: They don't even want to intervene in some cases in fights because the students won't respect the teacher and might start beating up the teacher.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: This is wrong.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Now, when you your major concern, then, Tom, when the government is starting to push down, push this down into religious schools, what is your main concern?
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Where do you see this going when this happens?
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: The main concern is trying to get the religious schools, the way the religious schools respond to different social issues, to conform to what the view is of the state, so that if they're saying that this is the result of some social problem like SEL is one of their approaches, social emotional learning, their approach to correct a problem against racism as a source of bullying, and I want you to teach about, teach everybody to avoid racism by teaching critical race theory.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: You know that.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: You know that there's the oppressed and the oppressor.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: What, from my perspective, and I think from a Christian perspective, all that does is create division.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: From the Christmas Christian perspective, there is no real race.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: There's no, there's not even any sex.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: There's neither male or female.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: You know we are all one in Christ, we have unity in Christ and so we don't look at these different distinctions, whereas the state says we need to when you say there's no sex, there's no discrimination on sex.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: That's what you mean right, right?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Well, there's the quote in the Bible.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Paul says there's neither male nor female.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: So Right, right right.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: And what he means by that, just to be clear for anybody listening, is not that the religion takes out sex because religion, of course, believes in sex but believes in no discrimination, that we're created equal and dignity different, but equal in dignity.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Same thing with skin color we have a different color of skin but we're equal in dignity.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: No matter if you're a little smarter and I'm not as smart, we're still equal as people in dignity.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: We're not, you know our personal human dignity doesn't change.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Well, and we are united in Christ that there is a total unity.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: So any effort to try to foster a division, a distinction between different groups of people is contrary to what the Christian view is.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what that allows us actually, when you think about this, is to be different.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: In other words, we're created unique and unrepeatable.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Each person has their own attributes, their own personhood.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not exactly like you are, you're not exactly like me, but what unites us is this you know, if you want to back up into the Ten Commandments the expression of who God is, you know God is not a thief, a murderer, a liar.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: In fact.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Jesus would say that one of the big distinctions between him and Satan is that Satan is a liar and a murderer from the very beginning, that Christ is the truth, and so, at the end, what unites us all is this common view of that.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: We have one heritage, we have one father, and we're brothers and sisters in Christ in one body with all, with our different parts and our different attributes, and we bring different gifts and talents to the table.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Well, this is one of the things that's significant.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: You know I'm not trying to compare this to Hitler's Germany, but this is exactly what Hitler did in the churches in Germany.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: He introduced into those churches the idea that there were races that were more superior than others, there's a hierarchy of races, and the churches many of the German churches succumbed to that.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: They went along with it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: A lot of them didn't, but many of them did, and so here is a situation where the state is trying to get the churches and the religious schools this is the very beginning to view this problem of bullying from the same perspective that the state does, when it very clearly, from the Christian standpoint, has a different view.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: The Christians have a different view than what the state is saying, and not only do they have a different view of the source of the problem, they have a different view of how to deal with it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: And yet the state wants the churches to conform to its view, and I think that's where I'm talking about.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: It's getting its nose in the tent by directing what's going on within the religious schools, and that's not a good thing.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this won't stop.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: We're going to have to keep our eyes open.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: This is not going to stop.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I saw that the Irish and the exact law I don't have in front of me, but the Irish mainstream parties and the NGOs there were pushing a new law to redefine marriage and the rights of women etc.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And so it was rejected, apparently, by the Irish.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: The Ireland is really in trouble and you have a breakdown of the society there, just like you're having in different parts of the world, and I'm seeing that and we have a sense of that coming here in the United States.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: They're a little bit ahead of us.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: They've thrown out God and morality there.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: It's almost unbelievable.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: They were such a religious nation not so long ago, but here's what's happening there.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: They rejected this wokeism by the Irish people, despite these strong campaigns by the government and other bodies, world bodies, and they started these.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I know you're not Catholic, tom, but they started these monthly rosary rallies by Catholic men across the country and they're kneeling right in the sidewalks, right, right in the public square, and they're praying, and they've been doing it for months now and finally we start to see people recognize that.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: You know, that's the only way to defeat Satan at the end, the only way to defeat this evil.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: And how does it apply to our schools?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: The only way we're really going to get to the bottom of this and whether we can do this or not is, I don't know, tom you know we have to bring back.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I guess it'll just have to break down the culture.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I'll have to break down the rest of the way, but then we have to pull our kids out of these schools, because I don't see prayer coming back in, because the only solution is again, is the prayer is to get back to an objective moral teaching, because if we don't have moral, we don't have laws, right rules and laws, and this is what we're talking about here, laws that are being pushed down on us.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: If they're not based on objective moral Standards, then they're not going to be just.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: They'll be in just, because our justice comes from having having moral laws Brought into civil laws and and that's what we live by right, that's what the United States was founded on.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I don't know that there is any hope for the, for the public schools at all.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I think the solution to the problem is allow the public schools to collapse, that people need to Get their kids out of public schools, put them into religious schools, the homeschool them, whatever it is, because the public schools have become Something other than education.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: There they're not.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: They're reeducated their reeducation camps, tom.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, there they go back to what you, you know, you brought up, you know what did Hitler do, what it Stalin do, what it Mao do.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: They all started taking the kids out of of you know, classic education.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: They put them in reeducation camps.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: In fact they put all of us and that's what they're trying to do, the parents put this all in reeducation camps and and people are falling for it.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people falling.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: They for fear or whatever it is.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: They're just passive right now.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Education started off as being what was kind of considered to be a classical liberal education, which meant it didn't mean that you were progressive or anything like that.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It means that you would.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You would introduce people to all these different ideas into different, different fields of knowledge history, geography, english, logic, teach, teach kids how to, how to engage in logic.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: But also it was the foundation, was always on the basis of of.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: We live in a, in a country that was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics, and so the Judeo-Christian ethic was central to the, the teachings within schools, and that's why.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: That's why the Ten Commandments was in the school room, that's why prayer was in the school room, because we had a we.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: We have a country that was based on Judeo-Christian beliefs.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the laws, tom you're, you're, you're you're you know you were in, you know in the I Say in crime fighting is I can use that term, I guess and what you saw was, you know the laws.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: The laws in the United States were based on those Ten Commandments, on those Judeo-Christian principles, objective moral law, and Our laws were written to reflect that into a culture.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And now what do we see in town?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: We're seeing a breakdown of what you're talking about here in the schools, or a total breakdown when we have a dual justice system, don't we?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, look what they're doing, the Trump versus the Biden family, you know?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, it's really.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: It's quite Nerving to see this happen.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: The change from the time when I was a kid to the way it is now is is really Disturbing.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: It's feel.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: I feel sometimes when I get up in the morning that I'm I'm still in a dream, somehow, that this can't possibly be real.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is, and I think that it's gonna be a long time Forced to to be able to push back against it and turn things around, if we ever do, and we won't unless more people begin to engage in this, in this effort and I think one of the things is to, for people need to stay calm and realize that they have to start taking the first steps toward a Continual engagement.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Continual engagement with the culture, with our, with our government, for the rest of their lives.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: They can't let up.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: They have to.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: We have to retake everything.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, if you want to, if you want to focus your attention so you don't get blown around Like this woman, and maybe you want to backtrack a little bit into this woman's background, because it's not about just picking on a On a woman, right before you came on, you said that she was probably you don't know her but probably a nice lady.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: You know, they just fall for the lie.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: And the point I want to make here and then and then maybe you could talk a little bit more about it is is that you know, we, once we fall for these lies, you know, once we don't have our own moral compass, once we don't really stand firmly on the truth, once we give into these lies, it's okay to murder a child in the womb and if the child makes it through the womb, it's okay to push these gender ideologies on them.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: It's it's okay to give them puberty blockers, to mutilate their bodies.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: If we're not standing up against those things, then we we've let this sin that you're speaking about Become an infection, and so sin is an infection.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: We've let the virus in and that virus now takes over and it won't stop until we stop the virus.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: And here's the point that you were making, just done with a little different slant.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: So you know, your solution again is an understanding that this is sin bullying, fighting, violence, push, looking down on other people because of the color of their skin or or whatever else it might be.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: That sin is an infection in the human heart.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Bullies, like you said, they don't understand counseling unless that Counseling is done by someone who says this is sin and do you want to get out of the slavery to sin?
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: But some SEL counselor that's going to sit down and sing kumbaya to them, it's not gonna make any difference.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: And so this infection spreads from the human heart into families, into how we treat our kids, and it becomes an unjust time because we're not even gonna leave them a nation, you know?
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: You know, what's really unjust is that that we're allowing this total breakdown in our culture and then we're raising these poor kids to come into this broken world when, when we no longer fight for it, our ancestors fought to bring these Morals and values down to us and we, just we, we just wanted to suck all the fruit, all the gifts that were laid there and Suck them out for our own pleasure, our own enjoyment.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Look at you, know, let's, let's just take what we can and raise kids and not not instill any of this value, not instill the actual history of our country and what we fought for and how it's done, what the Constitution means, and so the freedoms are going away and it's unjust if you're a parent or a grandparent to To not tell your kids about this so they can fight.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: They can stand up and fight and while they're growing, you have to do the fighting for them and sustain the country.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: It's not brain surgery, but it's not easy, tom.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Well we're.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: What we're doing really is is contributing to the confusion of children.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, we are not allowed.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: We're not saying standing up and saying there is a right and a wrong, this is right, this is wrong.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Instead, we're adding to the confusion.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: We're actually telling four-year-old kids that you don't know whether you're a boy or a girl and won't for some time, until you can really discover what your real Sexuality is, and don't you think, tom, that that is an injustice itself?
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: not totally right.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: If you don't, there are very clear lines of what's right and wrong in in most things.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: It's not right to make fun of somebody, it's not right to bully somebody, it's definitely not right to hit somebody.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: But what happens now is we have kids today who are getting beat up in school or who are beating other people up in school and there is literally no criminal consequences against them.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: When you, when you strike somebody, when you punch somebody in the face, that's a battery, that is a crime and there is.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: It's not just a bullying, not just bullying, it is a, it is a battery, is a criminal offense and nobody is doing anything about it.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: When a, when a child Punches a teacher, that that that is a battery.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: But they don't do anything about that either.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Yet if the teacher defends himself, they'll fire the teacher.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: What sense does that make?
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: That?
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: That puts the children in in charge.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: If, if, if some kid comes into your room and says you know, and he's a boy, a ten year old boy, and he tells you well, I'm really a girl, the teacher can't say well, no, you're not, you know, the teacher would be fired for doing that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: They're supposed to affirm whatever the child thinks.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: And all of a sudden.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: The children are the ones that are in charge.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: They decide what's right and what's wrong.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Well, this is just standing everything on its head.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: We're not taking responsibility for saying, giving guidance to kids that is based on the truth.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: We are buying into the lies and spreading those lies through our own actions and inactions.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's why, at first, what we're talking about can look really confusing to people that say, well, this is an anti-bullying law and I wanna be kind and compassionate, so of course I'm gonna go against you know, I'm gonna go for this and tell you see, that it's protecting this injustice that we're talking about.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: When we tell kids a lie in the beginning, and the lie is there is no moral, objective law, there is no way to treat another human being.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: You just have to accept them for whatever there is, well, this doesn't resonate in the human heart, you know.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, when a teacher tells the truth, which is I'm a boy, that's the truth.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I'm a boy because I have a biological penis and I'm a boy.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: And when you start to lie to me, tom, this is where the complexity comes from.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Sin has come in already and it's unjust to lie to the kid.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: But now we have laws coming down that are going to call someone who actually tells the truth.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: And here's the danger.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I think of what we're talking about here when you got your nose in the tent right and you're pushing this down into a Christian school, now the teacher does stand up, you know, and tell the truth to these children.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: And when he does now, he becomes the bully.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: He becomes the bully in the law.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: See, the law now says that the teacher that's telling the truth just about our biology, is now the bully, because he's bullying someone who's trans.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: And so, you see, until there's an objective moral law, a moral law that our civil laws are based on, there has to be common.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: This is common sense, practical common sense.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: And when that's thrown out like it is today, the solution, the solution is there's revolution, right, I mean, in the Marxist mind, the solution is just total breakdown of society.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: And then we're gonna rebuild back better.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Right, build back better, but it never gets there, tom.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: It never gets there Lies.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: the untruths are never the answer.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Who is the father of lies?
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: That's Satan.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Read John 8.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: John, chapter eight.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: It's so beautiful, right?
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Jesus says again, he goes if God were your father, that you would know me.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: He's saying to these Pharisees, these religious leaders and I'm just going off the top of my head at that time and they said to him God is our father.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: And he says no, he's not your father, because if he was your father you would know me.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: He said but you have your father and he is Satan and he's a liar and the father of lies.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: He was a murderer.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Jesus says from the very beginning so we see this.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: You start to plant the seeds, you start to plant the lie and at the end, sin infects the human condition.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: It's a small sin sometimes and it starts to rumble downhill and we ended up in a downward spiral.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Tom, this is a battle between good and evil, my friend and you.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Either you go to Jesus Christ, this crucified, risen one, hanging on the cross, and ask for forgiveness so that I can walk in and be a person of love except mercy and love, and then give that to others, or you're wandering around in this world that is ruled by the powers and principalities which are the demons of the world, and you could believe that or not believe that, but like our good friends GK Chesterton and CS Lewis would say, if you just wait around long enough, you're gonna meet Satan.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: You'll meet him and then you'll know, and then you'll know.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing is see, I'm opposed to this bill as it stands, for the way it.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Is it the anti-bullying provisions for the public schools and also the private schools, not just the religious schools.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I'm opposed to the bill as it stands, but when it gets to the point where they're trying to bring it into the religious schools, it makes it all the more offensive because they're trying to promote their lies in the religious schools and it is a bill that is founded on lies.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: The entire task force report is filled with lies, yeah it's amazing, it's amazing.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: And yet all these people are supposed experts that are supposed to know the truth, but there's not hardly a word of truth in that report.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah and look, we're gonna wind down here, tom, but and I just wanna keep bringing it back, because I think if we don't, what happens is we put our head in the sand, because we get so overwhelmed by all these evils that we see that we have to keep bringing it back to everybody listening and you and I do the same thing is we have to get back within our own human hearts the reality that there is a truth, there is a real, true way to live and that the commandments are really real.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Two things that we've done in this quasi-modern society.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: We've made law.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: We've made law now that it's legal now to kill a child, to kill a child in the womb.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: So this is a huge thing.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've done this since 1973.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: So abortion and killing children has been around ever since we could remember.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I mean through history.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: You see this feeding the great Moloch, right With sacrifice, child sacrifice.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: We see this.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: We know in Jesus' day the Romans would leave a child out if there's something a little wrong with it or they just had too many children.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Actually just put it out to die.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: There were places around that they would leave children around, that the scavengers would eat those children and stuff and it was deplorable what would happen.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: But the difference is they didn't legislate it into law, even if it was accepted in pagan communities and different things.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Christianity came in and said, no, you can't do that anymore.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, one of the big things that everybody was against the early Christians for was this practice of saving the babies.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: They would go out and save these children.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Well, this is who we are as a people Once you start to legislate.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: This is the difference, tom.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: This is legislated into laws that we can murder our own children.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Once you fall for that lie and I know people that are very close to me.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I know people that take care of babies and that actually are even nurses at times, that help deliver babies, see live babies being born that will also stand for the right to choose to kill your own children.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: At the same time, they've allowed themselves to fall for that lie.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: This is what that woman that's pushing these bullying things through.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: She just doesn't really understand what you're talking about.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: That, at the end of the day, an unjust law will never take the place of this battle of sin and understanding kids is sitting down with kids and saying son, daughter, you can't bully people, like you said, tom, bullying's been going on since time, immoral too.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: It's up to each parent, each family, the churches, the schools to instill these values in people and see the value of another person, so that they stop bullying, not because they're afraid to go to counseling and SEL class.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: But at first you have to put laws in and say we're gonna arrest you, like you said, or there's consequences for this, until that child learns either to treat people right because they have a change of heart, or, if not, that then society is going to have repercussions.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Either way, right that we're gonna take these people out and we have jails and prisons set up for that.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Some people won't learn, you know.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: So.
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Well, and they had.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: One of the things that this legislator could have done is adopt a bill that every school has to have a resource officer.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Next fall, the resource officers in Chicago public schools are gonna be gone.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Now, when you say resource officer, what do you mean by the police?
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I thought.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: The police aren't gonna be in the schools anymore.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Right right.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: So they're the only ones that are keeping control of the actual physical violence that goes on.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Well, why are they taking them out of the schools?
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Do you know?
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Because it's you know it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Scares the kids.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Serves the kids.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: It's criminalizes what they're doing when in really well, you need to understand better that the reason that they're that they're engaging in this kind of behaviors because they're being mistreated.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and we see that again, we see that again across the culture.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Now don't we, tom?
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, we're letting criminals out early.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: They, you know they, they've let 30,000 criminals out early over the last few years because they don't think it's just to keep them in, you know, in prison.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: But we don't have enough people in prison.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: We should have twice as many people in prison that are in prison right now.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it gets.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I'm OK, and look at the, and it gets to this dualism again.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: You know this dual justice system that we have, that if you're a Christian you're going to be the laws going to be applied to you differently.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: You know now, if I pray outside an abortion clinic, I can be arrested for that.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: And yet if I commit a violent crime, I'm often just released that very day without bail.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: And if I do come in front of a jury, I get a very lean sentence and or allowed out early for a violent crime of rape.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: People are raping children and they're getting probation.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: They're not even getting jail time.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: This is just.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: This is outrageous, Just outrageous.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: Tom, it's good to have you on the show.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I, you know.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I you know the the.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I guess the at the end of the day, any, any, any, any last minute advice for people besides to get to get to church.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I think that you know what we can do is Goom and boom podcast.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it, because that's what's happening.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I think, tom, just to end this thing up on a on a on another dollar note, is that I think between now and what's your prediction?
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Between now and November 4th, I think, and I have to laugh and you're laughing because if we don't laugh, it's, it's, I'll be depressed, but I think this is going to accelerate through the November election and I and I would not be surprised to see something really big go down between now and November.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine that there isn't going to be something big going down the.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: The animosity between the different groups is just ramping up so much.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, I I am shocked that there's so many people who are anti-Israelis that are out demonstrating, you know, and enchanting from the rivers of the sea, and the thing that's really kind of funny about it is most of them don't even know what river they're talking about or what sea they're talking about.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: This is insane.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: People are.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: People are in our professing beliefs and things that they know absolutely nothing about.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, here here's a pot.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to give you a positive note.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: So Jordan Peterson, russell Brand and even Joe Rogan now are talking about Jesus Christ.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: You know, and and we, we don't know, and I think what happened with somebody like, like, like a Joe Rogan bringing it up, even with a a wry smile on his face, is he's face to face with evil.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: And I think he's a guy, even though he, I think he would have called himself an atheist and maybe even, today, an agnostic, but I I'm not sure where he stands today.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: But he started to talk in a couple of clips about God and Jesus Christ.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: And I think what happens with a lot of times you're searching for the truth, you start to see the breakdown of our country that you didn't think was ever going to happen, and you see the evil being perpetrated on on on people in an, in an uneven way.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Right, there's even these dual justice systems.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: We're talking about the breakdown in education, what we're doing to our kids, and you, I mean, when you see that evil, you think, wow, there's no solution, there's no man made solution for this.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: You know, people's heart has to be transformed.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: So that's the good news.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: You know good news is people are starting to say I can't be lukewarm anymore, this is not working for me.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: That that that Joe Rogan's children are coming into a culture and he's seeing them being attacked.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: You know he's seeing those people.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: He's seeing those children, maybe not by a bully, but certainly their hearts being attacked by all these ideologies, and he has no answers unless you start to confront good and evil that reform.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: The prison reform guy on his on his podcast not too long ago who is the who'd been released from prison for murder?
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right he just committed another murder in New York.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah Well, not only another murder.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: My understanding is he actually cut this person's head off and had him in his freezer, right.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Right, he had to, and so, and Joe Rogan had the guy on his show, so he's going to say, hey, this is this.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Could be a sign that maybe, maybe I just came face to face with Satan Jr and I better Joe's probably in church, right now.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: If he's got a couple of podcasts that are late, it's because he's he's starting to pray.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I think we better end it here, Thomas.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Everybody, thanks for joining.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I think you got to chuckle once in a while.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: If we don't laugh once in a while, I think this evil will get to us.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, God bless you.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Talk to you soon, everybody.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Bye, bye.