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Recovery Chronicles Ep. 178 - Katie & Mariah · Recovery Chronicles

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Recovery Chronicles. My name is Johan Trigg and
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Speaker 1: my sober date is June seventeenth, twenty nineteen. Join me
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Speaker 1: as we hear from people who are on this journey
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Speaker 1: that we call recovery field. Well, welcome to this episode
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Speaker 1: of Recovery Chronicles. This is Joan Trigg and I have
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Speaker 1: three guests in my room today and I'm so excited
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Speaker 1: because one of them will be super silent but is
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Speaker 1: standing right behind me. So we're gonna chat about that
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Speaker 1: in a little bit. But I have Katie with me,
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Speaker 1: and Katie is a caseworker in the social work field
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Speaker 1: with the Heartview Foundation. And I also have Mariah with me,
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Speaker 1: and Mariah is an intern with the Heartview Foundation with
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Speaker 1: Mi not State University in the social work program. And
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Speaker 1: so we're going to talk about some of those things.
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Speaker 1: And we are also recording this in the month of March.
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Speaker 1: March is Social Work Month, and so want to really
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Speaker 1: just spread the word on the field of work and
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Speaker 1: those types of things that are associated with becoming qualified
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Speaker 1: to do those types of things. And we'll just kind
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Speaker 1: of have a good chat about it and see where
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Speaker 1: that takes us. So welcome everyone and tell me a
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Speaker 1: little bit about yourself. Katie, let's start with you.
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Speaker 2: My name is Katie.
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Speaker 3: I'm originally from California and I ended up in North Dakota.
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Speaker 2: I've been all over. I went to school in Illinois where.
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Speaker 3: I played softball, and then moved to Colorado and here
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Speaker 3: I am met in North Dakota. Boy, here, I'm a Bismarck,
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Speaker 3: North Dakota.
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Speaker 1: And how long have you been with Hertview.
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Speaker 3: I've been with Hertview almost three years and it's been
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Speaker 3: an awesome journey, awesome experience. With that being said, I've
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Speaker 3: it's taken me over ten years to integrate pet therapy
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Speaker 3: into my line of work, and it's been such a
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Speaker 3: blessing to have Banelli at Heartview with me.
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Speaker 1: And Banelli is our third guest, are our silent guests,
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Speaker 1: and Banelli's our therapy dog and just hanging out here
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Speaker 1: next to Katie. But we'll make sure and have photos
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Speaker 1: of that when we share the podcast information on Heartview's page.
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Speaker 1: So super excited to have Banelli here too. Mariah, give
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Speaker 1: us a little bit of information about you.
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Speaker 2: Hi.
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Speaker 4: My name is Maria. I'm actually also from California. I've
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Speaker 4: kind of lived all over growing up and ended up
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Speaker 4: here in North Dakota. I always seem to come back.
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Speaker 4: I just really like it here. There's a lot of opportunities.
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Speaker 4: I graduated high school in twenty sixteen and moved on
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Speaker 4: to get my associate's degree right away. I then took
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Speaker 4: a little bit of a break from school and then
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Speaker 4: decided to go back. So I will be finished up
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Speaker 4: in May with my bachelor's and social work with the
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Speaker 4: minor and addiction studies.
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Speaker 2: So what.
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Speaker 1: Kind of navigated you towards working in social work?
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Speaker 4: So growing up, one of my aunts, she's actually a
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Speaker 4: social worker. And then my uncle he started an organization
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Speaker 4: for Hispanic youth in the state of Washington. He started
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Speaker 4: a leadership camp. So during high school I kind of
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Speaker 4: started going to Washington every summer and helping with that,
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Speaker 4: and it kind of just sprouted my love for just
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Speaker 4: meeting people and helping people gain different skills and find
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Speaker 4: rest sources and just connecting with people.
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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, now that's cool. Oh I think you had
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Speaker 1: that chance to do that, and.
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Speaker 4: Yeah it was nice. It's like way up in the mountain,
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Speaker 4: so it was a beautiful experience.
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Speaker 1: A little different than Yeah, right, Katie, how about you
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Speaker 1: what kind of sparked your interest in terms of social work.
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Speaker 3: So when I was a child growing up, there was
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Speaker 3: this lady down the street who had foster children.
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Speaker 2: And I would always like to go over there and
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Speaker 2: play with.
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Speaker 3: Them and just, I don't know, hang out, and.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, like that sparked an interest. But junior year in college,
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Speaker 2: they're like, pick a major.
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Speaker 3: My parents are in the medical field, and I knew
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Speaker 3: I didn't want to be a nurse or.
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Speaker 2: Pharmacist, so I just decided social work.
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Speaker 3: And I actually am happy that I went down this
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Speaker 3: career path because in Illinois I started out in a
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Speaker 3: hospital and then for my for grad school, I did
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Speaker 3: my internship with the BA, and my field work instructors
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Speaker 3: have been They were just phenomenal.
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Speaker 2: They taught me so many.
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Speaker 3: Things about everything, like here's this nervous girl going into
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Speaker 3: a room.
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Speaker 2: You want me to do? What you want me to say?
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Speaker 2: What you want me to pick up the phone?
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I don't know if I can do that.
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Speaker 3: But just they gave me the confidence to do these
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Speaker 3: things and go out there and succeed.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, no, and yeah, I mean I'm not ironically
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Speaker 1: most people probably wouldn't know that. I'm not super outgoing,
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Speaker 1: so I get the whole you want me to do?
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Speaker 1: What kind of thing? Like you're freaking me out. But anyway,
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Speaker 1: so you've been doing this for three years with heartview.
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Speaker 1: What has kind of been some of the things that
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Speaker 1: have surprised you about the work that maybe you didn't
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Speaker 1: think about, you know, when you first decided to pursue
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Speaker 1: a career along those lines. What are some things that
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Speaker 1: were like, Wow, I didn't you know, I didn't realize that,
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Speaker 1: or something that maybe took you off guard a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Well, I've worked in this field since two thousand and seven. Okay,
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Speaker 3: my very first well besides my internship at the VA,
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Speaker 3: my very first job was in a nursing home on
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Speaker 3: a rehab unit, and you know, I worked with the
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Speaker 3: nursing staff. We worked as a team to get these
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Speaker 3: patients out integrated back into their homes.
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Speaker 2: I could just remember my boss at that time.
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Speaker 3: We had we got a lot of like elderly clients
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Speaker 3: that are hoarders lived alone, and we had to go
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Speaker 3: to this one client's house that was just hoarder galore
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Speaker 3: had all these animals, and I'm like horrified. I had
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Speaker 3: to go into this house and assess it and see
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Speaker 3: what he needed.
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Speaker 2: And that was like an eye.
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Speaker 3: Opening experience for me, Like what am I? What am
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Speaker 3: I getting myself into? Yeah, like this is part of
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Speaker 3: social work. So but the cool thing about social work
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Speaker 3: is you never know, like day to day, You just
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Speaker 3: never know how your day is going to go unless
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Speaker 3: unless it's like penciled in. And from that experience, from
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Speaker 3: the nursing home experience, then where did I go?
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Speaker 4: I went?
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Speaker 3: Then I moved to North Dakota and I started the
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Speaker 3: support of Services for Veterans and Families program that had
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Speaker 3: been through the Salvation Army and now it's through community action. Okay,
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Speaker 3: So I boots on the ground. I went around to
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Speaker 3: all the businesses in Bizmarck Mandan, I did whole Region seven.
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Speaker 3: So just got my name out there. Hey, send the
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Speaker 3: veterans here, they need help. It was a cool job
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Speaker 3: and it's still around, I believe to this day. So
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Speaker 3: that was a cool experience, really just out of my
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Speaker 3: comfort zone, being uncomfortable and going in networking.
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Speaker 2: And then I went to West.
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Speaker 3: Central and I worked there for about a little over
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Speaker 3: eight years and I was the home.
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Speaker 2: Most case manager Okay, and.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 3: That was during the oil boom, and I don't know,
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Speaker 3: I just it was a lot.
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Speaker 2: It was when Ruth.
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Speaker 3: Myers was around, and they had that one hundred and
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Speaker 3: twenty bed men's shelter and there were guys coming in
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Speaker 3: from all over the country and resources were very limited,
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Speaker 3: but we were just out there doing the best we
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Speaker 3: could with getting them the resources and street outreach.
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Speaker 4: Sure.
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Speaker 2: And then I moved.
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Speaker 3: To a different team and worked with the dual diagnosis population,
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Speaker 3: so for example, someone who's schizophrenic.
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Speaker 2: Who uses math.
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Speaker 3: So I I love that job. I did that for
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Speaker 3: I don't know six years. So and then I was
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Speaker 3: a guardian where I manage people's you know what was
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Speaker 3: through the court. But that was an eye opening experience
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Speaker 3: and yeah, I think the most out of that job.
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Speaker 3: I have never sold cattle in my life, but that's
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Speaker 3: where I learned to sell cattle, yes, and.
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Speaker 2: Learned that I.
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Speaker 3: Was in charge of farm animals and just oh man,
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Speaker 3: like talk about I remember with that job, I actually
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Speaker 3: called my supervisor and this lady because this lady had
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Speaker 3: like chickens living.
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Speaker 2: In her house and I was like, no, this is
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Speaker 2: where I draw the line. I'm not going in this house.
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Speaker 3: It smells like I can't do it, and I just
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Speaker 3: I just I'll never forget that experience. So now I
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Speaker 3: work at Heartview and I really enjoy my job.
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Speaker 2: What did I do? Oh? So, I was hired on
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Speaker 2: for the overdose grant And.
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Speaker 3: Originally, you know, it's taken some time to get off
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Speaker 3: the ground, but I think now that we're moving, it's
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Speaker 3: going in the right direction with everything. And now we're
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Speaker 3: going into the clinics in Bizmarck and we're meeting people
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Speaker 3: that are interested in treatment and introducing them to Heartview
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Speaker 3: and what services we can provide. And then the other
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Speaker 3: part of the grant is where we go on the
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Speaker 3: streets and we provide outreach.
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Speaker 2: No may sound a little crazy you go on the streets,
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Speaker 2: but it's very rewarding.
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Speaker 3: We go with minishear in the margins. We always partner up,
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Speaker 3: we don't go alone. That's been a really cool experience
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Speaker 3: getting back into that because I've done it in the past,
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Speaker 3: and it just it brought back flashbacks when I first
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Speaker 3: started doing that.
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Speaker 2: And then I do groups. What else do I do?
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Speaker 3: Manage interns? I do the Bachelor's level and Mastered level lectures,
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Speaker 3: just just wherever I'm needed.
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Speaker 1: So well and with your you know, your background, your
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Speaker 1: and your experience, that's a huge asset for you and
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Speaker 1: for harviewing this role now, like you talk about even
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Speaker 1: doing the street outreach part, doing this the homeless role,
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Speaker 1: and then working with veterans. I mean, those are a
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Speaker 1: lot of the population that you probably encounter, right, So
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Speaker 1: having that experience is makes it I would think a
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Speaker 1: lot easier for you to approach people because you have
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Speaker 1: some of that experience and it's a little bit easier
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Speaker 1: to relate to them, or at least not make people
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Speaker 1: feel as nervous maybe I would. I wonder, tell me
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Speaker 1: a little bit about when you approach people, how does
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Speaker 1: what is their response in terms of that or do
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Speaker 1: you find that they are receptive to people walking up
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Speaker 1: to them, or do you you know, how does that
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Speaker 1: look like for you? Explain that a little bit for
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Speaker 1: people who don't know what that you know what that means.
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Speaker 3: So typically we go with ministure in the margins, so
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Speaker 3: their vehicle is marked m so right there, like they
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Speaker 3: know either they're gonna come, We're gonna come see them,
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Speaker 3: or we're just driving by and everybody knows the social
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Speaker 3: worker Raquel.
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Speaker 2: It's funny. They're like, hey, recueal so zychically we.
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Speaker 3: So we have we have little hygiene bags for men
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Speaker 3: and women. We have scarfs, we have what are those
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Speaker 3: things called, oh, morm toe warmers, we have hats, you know,
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Speaker 3: all the things, and just grab a couple.
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Speaker 2: There's a recovery coach.
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Speaker 3: A recovery coach is someone in recovery that works at
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Speaker 3: Hardview in the community. They're called peer supports. And then
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Speaker 3: we have Raquel or Chris. Chris is the behavioral health
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Speaker 3: court lead at Minister in the Margins. Not sure what
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Speaker 3: her title is, sorry, Chris. And then Kathy, my supervisor,
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Speaker 3: she goes sometimes so we alternate, but typically when we go,
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Speaker 3: we walk up, we you know, keep our space, and
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Speaker 3: we introduce ourselves and we just start talking how their
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Speaker 3: day's going, if they need anything, and then typically they
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Speaker 3: just start telling us what they need and then it
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Speaker 3: goes from there. Sure, it's cool to watch and see.
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Speaker 3: And actually the other day we were street outreach and
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Speaker 3: I had one of the recovery coaches with me, and
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Speaker 3: I think it was his first time, so he was
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Speaker 3: kind of just watching and and he's like, Hey, this
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Speaker 3: guy over here, wants treatment, and I was like, okay, cool,
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Speaker 3: let's let's talk about it. How can I help you today?
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Speaker 3: And ironically we got him an intake and got him
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Speaker 3: into residential that day, which probably never happens, but it
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Speaker 3: was just it just worked out. In that client, he
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Speaker 3: keeps selling me, man, that was just my day. That
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Speaker 3: was just my day, and I'm like, yeah, man, that
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Speaker 3: was your day. You're so lucky, like and he's just
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Speaker 3: like this is he just feels so blessed. And you know,
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Speaker 3: that's what makes this work rewarding, is you know, when
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Speaker 3: they want the services and want to get.
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Speaker 1: Better, right, well, and planting that seed, right, you know it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's awesome that you know that all happened
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Speaker 1: in the same day, but I would imagine for some
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Speaker 1: people it takes a while to make that decision, and
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Speaker 1: fair enough, you know, that is a big decision to make.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, but that, yeah, that's pretty cool. That's exciting
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Speaker 1: to hear that. I mean that he's he's with us
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Speaker 1: now and on the road to recovery, so that's good
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Speaker 1: to hear.
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Speaker 2: And we've started street outreach, I believe two weeks ago.
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Speaker 1: Uefully, Yeah, I think that's what. Yeah, Kathy mentioned, So, yeah.
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Speaker 3: There are like three or four people that have started treatment,
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Speaker 3: and there have been I don't know, I was looking there.
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Speaker 3: There's probably we've made contact with at least twenty to
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Speaker 3: thirty people.
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Speaker 2: That's in two weeks. Yeah, and.
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Speaker 3: Even if it's like, hey, how you doing, here's my card,
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Speaker 3: call me if you need us, or here's you know,
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Speaker 3: go to open hours at the ministry, or just.
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Speaker 2: Whatever they need.
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Speaker 1: And maybe they'll share the information with other people too,
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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, that's just how it works in
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Speaker 1: terms of getting it out there. And but you guys
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Speaker 1: doing that work has been I mean it's awesome. So
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Speaker 1: nice work on that. So Mariah, now that you're hearing
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Speaker 1: all these things, are you still pursuing not just kidding?
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Speaker 1: So with your internship at Heartview and you're already currently
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Speaker 1: working for an agency in town, tell me, you know,
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Speaker 1: anything that kind of struck you as maybe that you
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Speaker 1: weren't prepared for or something that was like, you know,
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Speaker 1: in terms of the role and responsibilities of someone doing that.
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Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on, you know, on that as
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Speaker 1: you started navigating the internship with Heartview.
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Speaker 4: Uh. Yeah, I think one of the major things that
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Speaker 4: I was kind of shocked about at first was just
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Speaker 4: exactly how much people in this field actually do just
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Speaker 4: such a wide variety of things, whether it's helping someone
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Speaker 4: get an ID, helping with CPS cases, just just a
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Speaker 4: lot of different resources. Networking is really important one thing
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Speaker 4: that I've learned. So yeah, I would just have to
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Speaker 4: say the wide variety of things that we do, which
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Speaker 4: excites me because I don't really like to do the
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Speaker 4: same thing over and over, so.
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Speaker 1: Right right, well, and the networking piece I think is
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Speaker 1: important too. Like Katie mentioned earlier about partnering up with
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Speaker 1: Ministry and the Margins and you know, some of the
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Speaker 1: other agencies in town. I mean, that's pretty crucial to
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Speaker 1: be able to help people because one agency can't do
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Speaker 1: everything right, but having those relationships to be able to
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Speaker 1: refer people or get the answers that you need. So
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Speaker 1: what tell me a little bit more about that. What
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Speaker 1: does that look like for for you? Now that you've
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Speaker 1: been at hartviewd for a few years and with your
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Speaker 1: roles in the past, what are you know, what are
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Speaker 1: you finding in terms of establishing relationships and being able
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Speaker 1: to collaborate to help someone. So say I come to
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Speaker 1: you and or you come and see me and I'm
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Speaker 1: homeless on the street. You know, how does how does
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Speaker 1: that look in terms of moving forward? Like I say, yes,
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Speaker 1: I want help, tell me what that looks like a
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Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, because that's a big change for me.
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Speaker 1: If I'm I'm living on the street and I'm ready
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Speaker 1: to pursue services, walking through that a little bit.
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Speaker 2: I want help.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do so, But what I mean, I'm
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Speaker 1: just so people kind of understand a little bit about that.
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Speaker 3: So, like I said earlier, you want help. So there's
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Speaker 3: a couple of different ways people can go about it.
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Speaker 3: If they're if they have like the mental health diagnosis
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Speaker 3: in the addiction, they can go to West Central during
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Speaker 3: open access hours as well, and then that they can
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Speaker 3: reach out West Central reach out and connect them to
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Speaker 3: Heartview if further treatment is needed. There's the they can
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Speaker 3: go to open out access hours administering the margins on
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Speaker 3: Tuesday from two to four and Friday from eight to
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Speaker 3: nine after the coffee house they set aside those hours
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Speaker 3: if their house, so if they're like CouchSurfing or you know,
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Speaker 3: have somewhere to stay, then.
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Speaker 2: They can come to walking hours. That'll hurt View, Okay,
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Speaker 2: So walking hours are Monday through Friday.
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Speaker 3: I was, well, the doors open at seven forty five,
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Speaker 3: but I always tell people, heybe they're like at seven
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Speaker 3: thirty wait to get in, because there's some days when
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Speaker 3: I'm walking in with Bneli in the mornings lately where
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Speaker 3: there's probably ten to fifteen people just waiting to be seen,
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Speaker 3: and it can vary day to day.
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Speaker 2: You just never know. So first step you have to
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Speaker 2: come to walk in, or if it's very severe, you
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Speaker 2: can call intake, just the heart View main number and
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Speaker 2: get an intake, go in and speak to them. So
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Speaker 2: that's typically where I start.
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Speaker 3: If they are interested on the spot, I will get
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Speaker 3: the process going with heart View's Intake team and go
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Speaker 3: from there.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 1: So just as kind of an fyi for people that
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Speaker 1: are listening, heart Views model is a walk in setup.
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Speaker 1: So when people decide that they want to pursue help,
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Speaker 1: they literally will walk into our location at one on
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Speaker 1: one East Broadway and are seen by someone that can
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Speaker 1: help them kind of figure out where they are and
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Speaker 1: what they're going to need to do or what they
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Speaker 1: need to consider doing to start treatment. And so we
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Speaker 1: also do that in our dickens In location where it's
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Speaker 1: a walk in situation, so it's much easier for patients
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Speaker 1: to be able to do that versus an appointment type setting.
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Speaker 1: And we're finding that that's a better model for us
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Speaker 1: at Heartview because if you tell someone that struggling with addiction,
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Speaker 1: and I know that would have been me, if someone
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Speaker 1: would have said, well, you can come in two weeks,
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Speaker 1: I would have never gone because by then I would
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Speaker 1: have talked myself out of it sixty five times and
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Speaker 1: said I'm not doing that. I don't need to do that. Well,
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Speaker 1: so I think that's a good, really good thing that
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Speaker 1: we're doing at heart View in terms of having that
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Speaker 1: walk in piece.
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Speaker 3: So in part of street outreach I've noticed too is
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Speaker 3: if I say, for example, if I see Tommy on
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Speaker 3: the street, you know this week, and then next week
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Speaker 3: I run into him, I just continue to build that
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Speaker 3: rapport to get him to feel comfortable with me to
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Speaker 3: get to heart View. You know, some people aren't ready,
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Speaker 3: some people need time, So just building a rapport with
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Speaker 3: him can eventually get him to go in with me.
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Speaker 1: So well, in that familiar face of someone you can
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Speaker 1: trust is yeah, I could see it. That would take
22:27
Speaker 1: a little while, but having that is huge because especially
22:30
Speaker 1: if they're not from here, you know, and all of
22:34
Speaker 1: a sudden be like, oh, you know, I've seen her before,
22:37
Speaker 1: and you know, I know that I can at least
22:40
Speaker 1: talk to her or ask questions, and like you said,
22:42
Speaker 1: maybe not go right away, but definitely get the thought
22:45
Speaker 1: process started.
22:46
Speaker 3: So cool and not having a cell phone, yeah, because
22:50
Speaker 3: it's all about technology these days, right, But to me,
22:53
Speaker 3: it's like where are we going to find them? They
22:55
Speaker 3: were here last week at you know, Broadway and I
22:59
Speaker 3: don't know Washington, So which park are they at today?
23:03
Speaker 2: You know? Right, It's just it's kind of a puzzle sometimes, right.
23:11
Speaker 1: Can you touch a little bit about you had mentioned
23:13
Speaker 1: earlier about your role working with dual diagnosis patients and
23:18
Speaker 1: I've had a few people ask me that question about,
23:22
Speaker 1: you know, like how often is that? You know, is
23:25
Speaker 1: that something that we see at Harview? And I generally
23:28
Speaker 1: just refer them to the right people because I don't
23:30
Speaker 1: have the answers. But do you think that that's something
23:33
Speaker 1: that's becoming more and more common that you're seeing or
23:37
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on that? And kind of maybe
23:40
Speaker 1: explain first what is dual diagnosis.
23:43
Speaker 3: So dual diagnosis is where they have the mental health diagnosis.
23:48
Speaker 2: And then the addiction piece diagnosis.
23:52
Speaker 1: Okay, so.
23:54
Speaker 3: I kind of feel, now, this is my opinion, when
23:59
Speaker 3: people come in they may just be like withdrawing from alcohol,
24:03
Speaker 3: but of course they have anxiety, but they're you know,
24:05
Speaker 3: they're not maybe they've never been diagnosed with anxiety, but
24:08
Speaker 3: their body is detoxing, but you know, so for that's
24:14
Speaker 3: an example.
24:15
Speaker 2: But the dual diagnosis piece is if I.
24:18
Speaker 3: Am bipolar and I have i'm my.
24:24
Speaker 2: Drug of choice is meth, that's dual diagnosis. So it
24:30
Speaker 2: is to me.
24:32
Speaker 3: Yes, I've seen a lot more schizophrenics and bipolar, just ADHD,
24:41
Speaker 3: just everything, and it's really important that you know what
24:48
Speaker 3: what their diagnosis is and how to approach them. But
24:52
Speaker 3: sometimes I've noticed that you gotta you gotta pick which
24:56
Speaker 3: one you want to treat first. Do you want to
24:57
Speaker 3: be sober or do you want to be mentally stable?
25:00
Speaker 3: Like it's just it's difficult.
25:04
Speaker 1: Is that, do you think because trying to do both
25:07
Speaker 1: at the same time is too overwhelming in terms of
25:12
Speaker 1: someone that is battling both of them together or what
25:15
Speaker 1: are you're just trying to get.
25:18
Speaker 3: From my experience working in the field, I used to
25:22
Speaker 3: go into their homes and I would, you know, spend
25:25
Speaker 3: a lot of time in the community, taking to the
25:27
Speaker 3: grocery store, taking them to Walmart, taking them to get
25:32
Speaker 3: their meds, you know, just everyday activities, a daily living
25:37
Speaker 3: as we like to call it, catching their checks. And
25:42
Speaker 3: when you have someone, yes they took their meds, but
25:46
Speaker 3: they're high on meth and you're supposed to teach them
25:48
Speaker 3: how to.
25:50
Speaker 2: Clean their house. Like it's it's going to go one
25:54
Speaker 2: or two ways, right, So it's it's difficult, but you
26:00
Speaker 2: just have to.
26:00
Speaker 3: Learn to navigate. And I've learned you have to like
26:06
Speaker 3: learn you have to get on a personal level with
26:09
Speaker 3: those individuals so you can do those everyday tasks with
26:14
Speaker 3: them and make them feel safe, because they don't feel
26:18
Speaker 3: safer on you.
26:19
Speaker 2: They're not going to open up. And that's always something that.
26:25
Speaker 3: I've tried to work on, is building that rapport with
26:28
Speaker 3: people and making sure it's a safe place, like my
26:33
Speaker 3: door is always open.
26:34
Speaker 4: And.
26:37
Speaker 2: Where am I going with this? You can edit that,
26:39
Speaker 2: but it's just that's my train of thought. But yeah, So.
26:51
Speaker 3: Because they're at their most I know what I'm saying,
26:52
Speaker 3: they're at their most vulnerable time in their life, and
26:59
Speaker 3: you know it's they're feeling hopeless and will life get
27:04
Speaker 3: better or will it get worse? And it's all about
27:08
Speaker 3: that first interaction, you know.
27:11
Speaker 2: That's what I always have to.
27:12
Speaker 3: Remember, Like when I come in the clinic with Benelli
27:16
Speaker 3: in the mornings before I go to my meeting, it's
27:19
Speaker 3: all about that first interaction of the day. Those people
27:22
Speaker 3: sitting in the lobby waiting to get their ebows, you know,
27:27
Speaker 3: how are they going to be grated because they're already
27:31
Speaker 3: feeling like horrible.
27:33
Speaker 1: It's a horrible feeling.
27:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just I try and you know, remember
27:38
Speaker 2: that just.
27:41
Speaker 3: When they're at their lowest, just and I tell them
27:44
Speaker 3: it will get better. Just maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow,
27:49
Speaker 3: but keep coming, keep doing what you need to do.
27:52
Speaker 2: Right if you need to call me, call me. Yeah.
27:56
Speaker 1: Well, And I like that you mentioned Benelli because I
28:01
Speaker 1: when I come to your office, Banelli comes and hangs
28:04
Speaker 1: out by me, and I always find that to be
28:06
Speaker 1: just it's just fun anyway. But when you walk into
28:12
Speaker 1: the waiting room area and Banelli is there, tell me
28:15
Speaker 1: a little bit about that in terms of what people's
28:18
Speaker 1: reaction to that, because I feel like with animals it's
28:22
Speaker 1: different than with people, and so how do you see
28:26
Speaker 1: that in terms of people's response, they are superstore.
28:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the morning, she's like wagon her tail, like,
28:35
Speaker 3: you know, just happy as can be.
28:38
Speaker 2: And I'm like, like, have my purse and my like coffee.
28:42
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get in the door of the
28:43
Speaker 2: time clock. Yeah.
28:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like and then I'm like, Kathy, can you
28:48
Speaker 3: clock me in?
28:50
Speaker 2: Because you know, Benelli was the show.
28:52
Speaker 3: But yeah, when I walk into the lobby in the morning,
28:56
Speaker 3: it's you know, you see people there. They're not feeling
29:00
Speaker 3: good and they're nervous, and a lot of people just
29:07
Speaker 3: you see them just Brighten's up their day, puts a
29:11
Speaker 3: smile on their face and then can I pet her?
29:15
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what she's for. She's a
29:17
Speaker 3: pet therapy dog. Go ahead, and oh I missed my poppy.
29:21
Speaker 3: You know.
29:22
Speaker 2: It's just it's nice to see that she makes people
29:25
Speaker 2: happy and just makes them feel comfortable, right, you know,
29:30
Speaker 2: because that's her job.
29:31
Speaker 1: You know. So what brought you to the area of
29:35
Speaker 1: working with pet therapy. Tell me a little bit about
29:39
Speaker 1: that from that perspective.
29:42
Speaker 2: Oh, so, I've been wanting to do this for a long,
29:46
Speaker 2: long time over ten.
29:48
Speaker 3: Years and Heartview, Like I think I said this earlier,
29:52
Speaker 3: but Heartview, you know, all my ideas I.
29:55
Speaker 2: Go through Kathy. And I was just like, Kathy, what
29:58
Speaker 2: do you think? Because I.
30:02
Speaker 3: I have two Golden Retrievers. They're both certified pet therapy dogs,
30:07
Speaker 3: Benelli and Remington, and.
30:11
Speaker 2: They you have to be a year old.
30:14
Speaker 3: So when they were puppies, I would take them to church,
30:19
Speaker 3: take them to runnings, you know, take them to pet
30:22
Speaker 3: smart take them to places and sounds. Sounds are important
30:27
Speaker 3: because if they're scared and anxious around certain sounds, it
30:30
Speaker 3: won't go well. They have to be able to interact with.
30:33
Speaker 2: People, okay, and all types of situations. And so we did.
30:41
Speaker 3: We did that, you know, just all the basic commands
30:45
Speaker 3: when they were before they were year and then when
30:47
Speaker 3: they were and then we did like the puppy class
30:50
Speaker 3: and we did, you know, all the dog training classes.
30:53
Speaker 3: And then you have to be certified and you're Canine
30:56
Speaker 3: good Citizen.
30:57
Speaker 2: And then we had to do a test for love
31:00
Speaker 2: on a leash for therapy therapy dog. I don't know
31:06
Speaker 2: what it's called.
31:06
Speaker 3: Sorry I can't remember the name, but we had to
31:09
Speaker 3: be certified and then from there it just took off.
31:13
Speaker 3: I started taking Bonelli to Stanford Hospital. The nursing homes
31:18
Speaker 3: both my dogs. They read with the kids at the library.
31:21
Speaker 3: The library has the Bark program twice a year and
31:25
Speaker 3: it's so cute.
31:26
Speaker 2: I was just there this week. Yeah, I saw that
31:30
Speaker 2: this girl's like jumping on my dog, Remington, and the
31:34
Speaker 2: mom's like, you.
31:35
Speaker 3: Need to be reading.
31:37
Speaker 2: It was so funny. I was just like, well, yeahstaying there.
31:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
31:46
Speaker 2: It's so cute.
31:47
Speaker 3: The kids are like they asked me questions about what
31:49
Speaker 3: they like and what they do at home and oh
31:53
Speaker 3: and this one girl was like petting Remington the whole
31:56
Speaker 3: time and he's just like oh.
31:58
Speaker 2: I was like, honestly, So it's really cool to see that.
32:05
Speaker 3: I love that program look at the library. And then
32:07
Speaker 3: after that I go walk around the library with the dogs.
32:12
Speaker 2: So cool, cool, cool.
32:15
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's kind of you know, I just and
32:17
Speaker 3: then I went to the Animal Behavioral Institute, so I
32:21
Speaker 3: got my certification in animal assisted therapy.
32:25
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm a certified professional.
32:29
Speaker 1: Fancy, right, And.
32:32
Speaker 3: Then that's kind of when I brought this to Kathy
32:37
Speaker 3: and then to Heartview, and we came up of a
32:41
Speaker 3: plan and Benelli comes twice a week and sometimes on
32:46
Speaker 3: the weekends I bring my other dog or Bonelli just
32:49
Speaker 3: into residential and it's been going strong since then.
32:53
Speaker 1: Nice, so good.
32:55
Speaker 3: Oh and staff, I can't you know, doctor Hinky, I
32:58
Speaker 3: always have to bring Benelli to doctor and Jerry and
33:01
Speaker 3: Dresha so well everybody. Everybody loves Vianelly. Still, that's always
33:06
Speaker 3: a highlight for sure. Okay, So let's switch gears a
33:10
Speaker 3: little bit.
33:11
Speaker 2: Mariya.
33:11
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about in terms of your
33:16
Speaker 1: internship with Heartview and as you were just finishing up
33:21
Speaker 1: your degree, we were just chatting a little bit ago
33:23
Speaker 1: about graduation coming up. Tell me how you know how
33:28
Speaker 1: that program has looked for you in terms of your
33:30
Speaker 1: internship with with Heartview, like how you got connected and
33:35
Speaker 1: kind of walk me through that piece a little bit.
33:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, So my day job is actually with Face It Together.
33:42
Speaker 4: I'm a care coordinator and peer support specialist, so I
33:47
Speaker 4: kind of got into contact with Katie that way. A
33:50
Speaker 4: lot of my participants work with Heartview, so at first
33:56
Speaker 4: it was kind of just me talking with about mutual
34:02
Speaker 4: clients things like that, and then kind of just grew
34:07
Speaker 4: from there. I talked about my internship a little bit,
34:10
Speaker 4: wasn't really sure what I wanted or where I wanted
34:14
Speaker 4: to go. I am, I do have a minor and
34:16
Speaker 4: addiction study, so that has always interested me, and I
34:21
Speaker 4: think Katie might have actually brought it up. I'm not
34:24
Speaker 4: really sure, but yeah, so I just thought it was
34:28
Speaker 4: a really good idea. I was already familiar with with
34:31
Speaker 4: her and with Heartview, so just all felt really comfortable,
34:36
Speaker 4: kind of felt like it was meant to be so.
34:38
Speaker 1: Right, Tell me what are the requirements to in terms
34:43
Speaker 1: of becoming a social worker? Walk me through that a
34:46
Speaker 1: little bit in terms of like the education piece and
34:50
Speaker 1: the hands on piece. What does that look like?
34:53
Speaker 4: So for social work that is a four year degree,
34:59
Speaker 4: you have to have your bad at least. So I
35:02
Speaker 4: did my two years with BSc Associates and Arts, and
35:06
Speaker 4: then I went to Mie Not State. They have a
35:09
Speaker 4: really good social work program that works with BSc. I'm
35:15
Speaker 4: not an online school kind of person, so they have
35:19
Speaker 4: a really great program that allows me to take classes
35:23
Speaker 4: on the BSc campus but through mine not State, so
35:27
Speaker 4: not everything I do is online, which I'm really grateful for.
35:31
Speaker 4: And then your senior year is kind of where the
35:37
Speaker 4: internship part comes into play with that. You have to
35:41
Speaker 4: get four hundred hours in a field placement of your choice.
35:46
Speaker 4: So there's different areas that you could you could do
35:50
Speaker 4: depending on what kind of work that you're interested in.
35:54
Speaker 4: Some people in my class are doing working with CPS,
35:58
Speaker 4: some are at schools, some are working with individuals with
36:05
Speaker 4: intellectual or physical disabilities, so lots of different things. Yeah,
36:12
Speaker 4: and then after graduation you can take your licensing exam
36:21
Speaker 4: to become a licensed social worker and then kind of
36:26
Speaker 4: wherever you want to go from there, I guess.
36:28
Speaker 1: So is the license is that through the state of
36:32
Speaker 1: North Dakota or what is what? Who's the kind of
36:34
Speaker 1: the governing body who says, yep, you pass a test
36:38
Speaker 1: and now you have your license.
36:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I would be licensed to the state of
36:43
Speaker 4: North Dakota once.
36:44
Speaker 2: I take that test.
36:45
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and then how do you in terms of
36:49
Speaker 1: maintaining your license? Is it certain numbers? See use? What
36:53
Speaker 1: does that look like? Not sure? Okay, soon find out? Yeah,
36:58
Speaker 1: so yeah, some type of continue education I'm assuming, but okay, okay,
37:03
Speaker 1: So you're you said four hundred hours, So where are
37:08
Speaker 1: you at right now?
37:10
Speaker 4: A little over two hundred I've been averaging about twenty
37:15
Speaker 4: five hours a week at Heartview. Some internships can be
37:20
Speaker 4: paid for, this one is not, which is okay, but yeah,
37:24
Speaker 4: it kind of all just depends on where you want
37:27
Speaker 4: to go.
37:28
Speaker 1: So okay, So twenty five hours at Heartview. You have
37:32
Speaker 1: a job, you're going to school to sleep, or you're
37:35
Speaker 1: just like motivated by caffeine.
37:38
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm trying to get a sleep schedule. That's
37:41
Speaker 4: been a little difficult, but we're making it work. So
37:44
Speaker 4: I just keep keep telling myself mays around the corner,
37:47
Speaker 4: you know, and then I'll be able to do what
37:50
Speaker 4: I love so.
37:51
Speaker 1: Right, right for sure? Cool, no self care, no self.
37:56
Speaker 4: Care the weekends, my weekends or my time off, but
37:59
Speaker 4: those seem to fly so well.
38:01
Speaker 1: And I'm sure, plus with trying to do homework, right yea,
38:04
Speaker 1: just all the all the life things, and plus yeah,
38:07
Speaker 1: you probably should sleep sometime when you're in there too.
38:10
Speaker 3: And I don't think Maria thought that she was going
38:14
Speaker 3: to be part of like a not like a dog watcher,
38:18
Speaker 3: you know, for her.
38:21
Speaker 2: Like Eric, can you hold Banelli for a second. Yeah,
38:24
Speaker 2: that's okay.
38:24
Speaker 4: I like it. It's really enjoyable and I always think
38:28
Speaker 4: it's funny because Katie comes in and when she doesn't
38:30
Speaker 4: have Vanilla, people are like, where's Vanilli?
38:33
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, That's what I'm talking about, saying sorry, like
38:38
Speaker 1: not where's Katie, Katie?
38:40
Speaker 2: How's your dad?
38:42
Speaker 4: Yeah?
38:42
Speaker 2: I didn't today. I'm like, I'm sorry.
38:45
Speaker 1: You know, I might be guilty as charged on that
38:47
Speaker 1: as well. And I come in I'm kind of looking
38:49
Speaker 1: to see but yeah, no, fair enough. Paint the picture
38:54
Speaker 1: for me a little bit on when someone new comes
38:58
Speaker 1: in and and like Katie was tacking a little bit
39:02
Speaker 1: before about I mean, there's a lot of things. You're
39:04
Speaker 1: super nervous, you probably feel like crap. I mean, let's
39:07
Speaker 1: be honest, how does that look? Like I said, kind
39:12
Speaker 1: of give me a lens view on that. And when
39:15
Speaker 1: someone comes in and they start to kind of become
39:18
Speaker 1: comfortable with Binelli in the room and just with working
39:21
Speaker 1: with Katie, you know, like kind of talk about that
39:25
Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of when that you know,
39:27
Speaker 1: they start warming up and going from there.
39:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's been something that's been really awesome to be
39:34
Speaker 4: able to just witness people come in and a lot
39:37
Speaker 4: of times there's a little standoffish or kind of in
39:41
Speaker 4: the mindset of like not wanting everybody to be in
39:45
Speaker 4: their business kind of. So it's kind of nice to
39:49
Speaker 4: just watch them open up eventually. I mean, we don't
39:52
Speaker 4: really try to poke and pride too much. If it's genuine,
39:58
Speaker 4: you know, the conver station just flows and people are
40:01
Speaker 4: just open and then as you continue to meet with them,
40:05
Speaker 4: they kind of just get comfortable and it's nice to
40:11
Speaker 4: just check in and it doesn't always have to be
40:13
Speaker 4: about such serious topics. You know, you can just call
40:18
Speaker 4: and say how's it going, Like what are you doing
40:20
Speaker 4: this weekend? You know, And I've noticed that people really
40:24
Speaker 4: do appreciate that a lot, and it just sets the
40:28
Speaker 4: tone for for how how they'll do and uh like
40:34
Speaker 4: working with you, you know, and it's it's really awesome
40:36
Speaker 4: to see.
40:37
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, and just just to see that transformation
40:41
Speaker 1: to of people as they're navigating through the recovery pieces.
40:49
Speaker 1: I have a chance to see patients once in a
40:50
Speaker 1: while and see when they're coming in brand new and
40:53
Speaker 1: you know, maybe running to them later on, and I
40:56
Speaker 1: guess I can relate to because I know I look
40:58
Speaker 1: like garbage when I went to my first day of
41:01
Speaker 1: treatment and people would say, oh my gosh, you know,
41:04
Speaker 1: you look so much better. It's like do I I
41:06
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't, I don't know, but you know,
41:08
Speaker 1: and to be able to witness that, to see the
41:09
Speaker 1: work that you guys do to help them get to
41:12
Speaker 1: that point. Sometimes I don't know that you maybe don't
41:16
Speaker 1: always get the accolades that you should, but being able
41:19
Speaker 1: to do that to get people to actually live life again,
41:23
Speaker 1: it's huge and it's life saving and it's not only
41:27
Speaker 1: for them personally, but it's also for their family. And
41:30
Speaker 1: so it hats off to you guys in terms of
41:33
Speaker 1: the work that you're doing, because that's not easy. And
41:37
Speaker 1: with them without Vanelli, Me, Katie.
41:40
Speaker 3: And I do get those phone calls or they do
41:42
Speaker 3: pop by after a year because typically I see them
41:46
Speaker 3: in residential or you know, when they were rough right
41:50
Speaker 3: and then hopeless.
41:51
Speaker 2: And so it's always nice to have that phone.
41:55
Speaker 3: Call a couple months later, a year later where they
41:57
Speaker 3: come in and they're like, I'm doing that, I'm gonna
42:01
Speaker 3: be I'm working for the you know, like just update
42:03
Speaker 3: me on their life. One cool thing is that there
42:07
Speaker 3: was just one guy that oh, he had been to
42:11
Speaker 3: treatment over twenty times.
42:14
Speaker 2: Wow, And I'm like, what are we going to do? Different,
42:19
Speaker 2: you know, what, what can we do?
42:23
Speaker 3: Just I know he was frustrated with himself and just
42:30
Speaker 3: wanting to make the changes. So I challenged him. I said,
42:34
Speaker 3: how about every month, I'll keep these coins on my desk,
42:39
Speaker 3: So every month, so one month all the way through
42:42
Speaker 3: a year, he would come see me for his coins,
42:49
Speaker 3: to hold himself accountable and to do a check in
42:52
Speaker 3: with me. So that was really cool to watch.
42:55
Speaker 2: That's one of the think outs. You know they say
42:57
Speaker 2: think outside the box. That's one of the things I
43:00
Speaker 2: thought of.
43:01
Speaker 3: I was like, because you have to be so creative,
43:03
Speaker 3: because everyone it like they have different ways to cope
43:08
Speaker 3: with things, and their journeys are all so different. Right,
43:11
Speaker 3: I tell them that every day. I said, this is
43:13
Speaker 3: your journey, make it count. We got to do what
43:16
Speaker 3: works for you. We got to figure this out time
43:19
Speaker 3: management obviously, but what's going to work out in the
43:23
Speaker 3: real world? Right? So that coin thing, that and he's
43:27
Speaker 3: still sober, doing really well. So I think, I don't know,
43:31
Speaker 3: it's been over saying, it's been a year and a half.
43:35
Speaker 3: So that's just one of the little things. But thinking
43:40
Speaker 3: outside the box is what we do at Harview, right,
43:43
Speaker 3: So I feel like we're always thinking. But I feel
43:46
Speaker 3: like we were talking about Mariah earlier and I was, well,
43:50
Speaker 3: you guys were talking.
43:51
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'm always challenging her, and
43:55
Speaker 2: she has this look like you want me to do
44:00
Speaker 2: what I'm like, yeah, just calm and say you're so
44:04
Speaker 2: and so and and let it go from there. Like
44:09
Speaker 2: it's just I know she can do it. That's why
44:12
Speaker 2: I have her do it right.
44:13
Speaker 3: And I remember like the first time I was like, hey,
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Speaker 3: you're going to do a group and I would love
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Speaker 3: to hear her feedback on that because.
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Speaker 2: I was like, hey, you know, just.
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Speaker 3: Come up with three different topics, do an icebreaker, go
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Speaker 3: to the group rules.
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Speaker 2: You got this, like it's your group.
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Speaker 1: Well, and I'm sure for you too, my having you know,
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Speaker 1: someone have that faith in you, I mean that's like
44:39
Speaker 1: that's huge for you too.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yeah, I have it in me. It's just sometimes
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Speaker 4: it takes a little bit of pushing, you know. So yeah,
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Speaker 4: I've been really grateful that she's helped pushed me out
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Speaker 4: of my comfort zone a little bit. And then once
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Speaker 4: I do it, I'm like, it wasn't even that bad.
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Speaker 4: I don't know why it's a stressed so well.
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Speaker 1: But then that experience, you're ready to roll for the
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Speaker 1: next time and you're right thinking outside the box. That's
45:06
Speaker 1: one thing about recovery that I sometimes when people ask
45:09
Speaker 1: see and I always recovery is the least cookie cutter
45:13
Speaker 1: thing that I can think of when you're talking about
45:18
Speaker 1: when you're talking about someone and how they're maybe navigating
45:22
Speaker 1: through life, because every single person is different. There is
45:25
Speaker 1: not one thing that is the same in terms of
45:29
Speaker 1: when they're going through treatment, how they're going through treatment,
45:32
Speaker 1: what that looks like for them. It could be someone
45:34
Speaker 1: that goes once, it could be someone like the gentleman
45:36
Speaker 1: that you had that went through twenty times. You know,
45:39
Speaker 1: it's so different and being able to have that creativity.
45:43
Speaker 1: Who would have thought that that would have helped motivate him,
45:47
Speaker 1: But hats off to you to, you know, to come
45:50
Speaker 1: up with that and to realize that that worked for him,
45:53
Speaker 1: and so who knows. I mean, you know, it's just
45:56
Speaker 1: different for everybody. When I was going through treatment, I
45:59
Speaker 1: literally wrote on my hand every single day how many
46:02
Speaker 1: days that I was sober. So every time I look
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Speaker 1: down on my hand, it's like, okay, I'm fifty five days, Okay,
46:07
Speaker 1: I'm fifty six days. I mean, it was just it
46:09
Speaker 1: sounds ridiculous, right, but it was literally like I need
46:13
Speaker 1: a constant reminder, like you've made it this long, you
46:16
Speaker 1: can make it another day. And so whatever works, man,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know, but if that's
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Speaker 1: what it takes, I mean I'll write on my hand
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Speaker 1: I'll DA day and whatever. But you know, it's it's
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Speaker 1: finding that is awesome.
46:29
Speaker 2: So nice work on that.
46:32
Speaker 1: Anything else that you guys can think of that we
46:35
Speaker 1: we were chit chatting, and I really appreciate you covering
46:39
Speaker 1: a lot of that and inspiring people and helping them
46:42
Speaker 1: to learn and understand more about the social work field
46:45
Speaker 1: and just some of the things that you encounter. And
46:48
Speaker 1: I think you both touched on this more than once
46:50
Speaker 1: about there is not one single day that's the same. Ever.
46:54
Speaker 2: That's that's a.
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Speaker 3: Fact because you never know when you're gonna get that
46:59
Speaker 3: call from someone that's suicidal or someone that comes into
47:04
Speaker 3: your office under the influence or you know, you just
47:07
Speaker 3: you don't know.
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Speaker 2: So it's just so I like my job. I'm good
47:15
Speaker 2: at it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and you are good at it and just
47:19
Speaker 1: being able to help people from every single angle, like
47:21
Speaker 1: that is not something odd of people can say.
47:25
Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: When I was an intern, I was like, I'm gonna
47:30
Speaker 2: save the world.
47:31
Speaker 3: But now like that I've been doing this for over
47:34
Speaker 3: fifteen years, I've learned that self care is so important.
47:38
Speaker 3: I always tell people, like, you know, after five, you
47:44
Speaker 3: know where the police department is. You know, Recovery Talk number.
47:48
Speaker 3: Recovery Talk is throughout the state of North Dakota twenty
47:52
Speaker 3: four to seven. You can call our text and talk
47:55
Speaker 3: to someone in recovery. Call your sponsor nine eight eight
48:00
Speaker 3: er if needed know. You know these things are the
48:02
Speaker 3: crisis line and you don't need me all the time,
48:07
Speaker 3: Like I have given you tools in your toolbox to
48:11
Speaker 3: help you get.
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Speaker 2: Through these tough times.
48:14
Speaker 3: And one thing that I always harp about when I.
48:17
Speaker 2: Ste my groups, I get a lot of eye rolls.
48:21
Speaker 3: But you know what, that's fine. If it's one thing
48:24
Speaker 3: they remember, I want them to remember.
48:26
Speaker 2: What are recovery tools.
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Speaker 3: I also call them like self care tools because I
48:30
Speaker 3: can use some of them as well, not in recovery,
48:33
Speaker 3: but a lot of them are you know, your spirituality,
48:38
Speaker 3: daily affirmations like you were doing with your hand, Like
48:41
Speaker 3: I got this, you know, I had someone tell me
48:44
Speaker 3: the other day that he woke up this morning and
48:47
Speaker 3: he's in residential right now, and he's like, I went
48:50
Speaker 3: to the bathroom, I looked in the mirror and I
48:52
Speaker 3: said this, I got this today.
48:53
Speaker 2: It's going to be a great day. And I'm like, yes,
48:56
Speaker 2: it's mentality. But you know, came known with your sponsor
49:02
Speaker 2: or someone that's.
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Speaker 3: Not in recovery, but you know gets it a positive support,
49:12
Speaker 3: you know, whoever it may be. But AA meetings emotions,
49:17
Speaker 3: you know, we have EA meetings emotions, anonymous. Now we
49:20
Speaker 3: have Celebrate Recovery more spiritual based, smart recovery and A.
49:27
Speaker 3: There's so many meetings and if meetings don't work for you,
49:32
Speaker 3: then you got to figure it out, whether it's going
49:34
Speaker 3: to the gym, doing some yoga, meditation, journaling, nutrition. I
49:42
Speaker 3: hone in on nutrition all the time because I look
49:44
Speaker 3: around and I see junk food and I'm like, guys,
49:49
Speaker 3: your your body is healing.
49:52
Speaker 2: You need to feed it protein. You need to drink
49:54
Speaker 2: your water. You know, my water is my coke. No
49:57
Speaker 2: it's not, come on.
49:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, So just those little tidbits every day, those little reminders.
50:04
Speaker 3: You don't have to exercise every day, but at least
50:06
Speaker 3: three times a week because we have the why scholarship
50:10
Speaker 3: to part view, right, So just getting up there and
50:13
Speaker 3: doing that. So those are some of the things that
50:17
Speaker 3: I really am like, come on, guys, like put these
50:21
Speaker 3: things in your tool box box and do them daily.
50:23
Speaker 2: You need to at least be.
50:24
Speaker 3: Doing three or four of them every day to be
50:28
Speaker 3: successful in your recovery. So if you're not working your recovery,
50:33
Speaker 3: it's not gonna go well, right, and you're gonna be
50:35
Speaker 3: with me a while or heart View. Yeah, So it's
50:39
Speaker 3: just those little reminders and well, ultimately yes, I mean,
50:45
Speaker 3: you need to work through it.
50:46
Speaker 1: But having the support from you guys is a huge
50:51
Speaker 1: reason of why they are able to do that. And
50:54
Speaker 1: to have the strength and have someone believe in them
50:57
Speaker 1: is a big piece of why they're able to push
50:59
Speaker 1: through and get to the other side. And so hats
51:04
Speaker 1: off to you guys, Hats off to social workers wherever
51:08
Speaker 1: you are and the work that you do, and and
51:11
Speaker 1: thank you and you know, just thanks for all that
51:13
Speaker 1: you do for heart View but for the recovery community.
51:17
Speaker 1: Thanks bin Alli. I know you're laying down there probably napping,
51:20
Speaker 1: but many thanks, thank.
51:21
Speaker 3: You to everyone who gives Beinelli like the five to
51:24
Speaker 3: ten minutes of pets because like that has been proven
51:29
Speaker 3: to reduce stress so in you know, and especially when
51:34
Speaker 3: people come into my office and they're crying, she goes
51:37
Speaker 3: right over there, sits by their feet.
51:40
Speaker 2: And I'm like, bet the dog, Bet the dog. Yeah,
51:43
Speaker 2: and before you know it, you know, they're calmer, They're
51:48
Speaker 2: not like freaking out anymore.
51:50
Speaker 4: You know.
51:50
Speaker 2: It's it's it's like the coolest thing to watch.
51:54
Speaker 3: Benellia has healed so many souls, like people that have
51:59
Speaker 3: been broken, and I just I just bring it to work,
52:03
Speaker 3: you know.
52:04
Speaker 2: I lead her around, but she's the one that does
52:07
Speaker 2: the work. Yeah, she does the healing.
52:10
Speaker 3: And I had asked people a while back, I said, well, like,
52:15
Speaker 3: how does Bdellie make you feel? And they're like, she
52:17
Speaker 3: just makes me feel happy.
52:19
Speaker 2: She heals my inside and my outside.
52:21
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, just they can't put it into words,
52:25
Speaker 3: but they but she's she just calms them, feels makes
52:30
Speaker 3: them feel less stressed. And you don't want to feel
52:32
Speaker 3: stressed when you're in treatment.
52:34
Speaker 1: Right, Well, yeah, no, she has a big part of it.
52:38
Speaker 1: And we're lucky to have her, and we're lucky to
52:40
Speaker 1: have you that when you're having the big training in
52:43
Speaker 1: the experience to be able to offer that, and so yeah,
52:49
Speaker 1: just tremendous things, good things, nice work everybody. Thank you,
52:53
Speaker 1: thank you for being here today. And Mariah, congratulations early
52:58
Speaker 1: on your graduation. Thank you so much, Jah for having me.
53:02
Speaker 1: Yeah you bet all right. Thanks guys much, Thank you
53:09
Speaker 1: for joining us on this episode of Recovery Chronicles. Find
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Speaker 1: out more about hertviewat kurkvie dot org. And keep moving forward,
53:16
Speaker 1: remembering the story is yours and you are the author.