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S6 E11 _ Frozen Fear_ The Butcher Baker of Alaska - Robert Hansen - Part 7 · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Very True Crime. I'm so sorry. Listen, I'm not feeling great,
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  Speaker 1: but you are definitely having a worse time than I am,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that was on the twenty first of Monday's
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  Speaker 1: the nineteenth. Maybe I don't know when days of Seasons begin.
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  Speaker 1: Probably not probably not well, you guys, Tonight is part
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  Speaker 1: seven of our Frozen Fear the Butcher Baker of Alaska series,
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  Speaker 1: where we are diving deep into infamous serial killer Robert Hanson,
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  Speaker 1: his endless number of victims who we refuse to be forgotten,
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  Speaker 1: and how all of it could have been stopped numerous times.
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  Speaker 1: And guess what, guys, we're gonna talk. Oh, I shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have left that up. I'm also one woman showing the background.
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  Speaker 1: It's just, oh, we are so professional. But no, Tonight's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be another one of those could have been stopped nights.
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  Speaker 1: I know, right, surprise shocker if you've been paying attention
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  Speaker 1: and following along, and we believe this state of Alaska
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  Speaker 1: has a lot of blood on their hands and we
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  Speaker 1: are here to shine a light on all of it. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if Tonight's going to have as many
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  Speaker 1: rants and cursey words, but probably there'll probably be a few,
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  Speaker 1: because I mean, I can't help but get worked up
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  Speaker 1: about all of this, because it's really just so shocking
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  Speaker 1: every single time. Now, let's see tonight, when am I
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  Speaker 1: drinking oh, instead of vodka drinking a cranberry, no, a
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  Speaker 1: sprite cranberry. And then I also have an orange crush
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  Speaker 1: because my throat is very scratchy, so I expect to
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  Speaker 1: have to drink a lot and I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: guess the vodka probably would have hooked a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: but probably not a good idea when I'm already a
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  Speaker 1: bit on the struggle bluss. All right, So that's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm drinking tonight. I hope you all ab poured yourself
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  Speaker 1: something nice because you're gonna need it. And with that,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into the story of tonight's case again. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so sorry about all the throat clears in advance. To
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  Speaker 1: anyone that doesn't like the sound of that, I am sorry.
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  Speaker 1: But here we are now, before we step into the
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  Speaker 1: shadow of the final phase of the Silent Decade known
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  Speaker 1: as the nineteen seventies, let's look at the trail of
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  Speaker 1: broken glass and empty promises we followed so far. We
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  Speaker 1: began our journey by deconstructing the midth of the meek Baker,
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  Speaker 1: as Hanson so much like to describe himself, and instead
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  Speaker 1: we watched Robert Hanson navigate the aftermath of the nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy one kidnappings, learning to trade the violence of the
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  Speaker 1: street for the calculated silence of a ghost. We saw
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  Speaker 1: the legal systems stumble over itself and kind of funny
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  Speaker 1: but also just embarrassing for them, agonizing over a tire
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  Speaker 1: tracks and rough men like Gary Zeiger, while the true
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  Speaker 1: predator refined his hunt just a mile down the road. Now.
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  Speaker 1: In our last episode, we looked at the Seaward Years,
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  Speaker 1: a period defined by the haunting disappearances of Megan Emerick
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  Speaker 1: and Mary Kathleen phil We walked the eleven minute path
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  Speaker 1: from the Seaward Skill Center to the docks and heard
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  Speaker 1: the chilling echoes of a man who used a fishing
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  Speaker 1: trip as a lure and the deep, unforgiving current of
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  Speaker 1: Resurrection Bay. As this disposal site, we saw the aviation
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  Speaker 1: map for what it truly was, a blueprint of terror
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  Speaker 1: that Hansoon guarded until his final breath. And boy, oh boy,
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  Speaker 1: once you guys see how that all pans out, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's very disturbing to look at. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you guys all heard Elbowfy blowing his nose, but
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  Speaker 1: he is just such a one upper just never lets
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  Speaker 1: me have my moment. I'm just kidding now. We also
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  Speaker 1: bore witness to the systematic failures that allowed Hansen to thrive.
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  Speaker 1: We saw the tragedy of the Jane Doe Dancer, a
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  Speaker 1: survivor who provided a license plate and a positive ID,
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  Speaker 1: only to be silenced by a legal system that punished
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  Speaker 1: her for her own trauma. We saw how a two
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  Speaker 1: hundred dollars chainsaw out of fred Meyer finally stripped away
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  Speaker 1: the rehabilitated mask that Robert Hanson wore so well, though
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  Speaker 1: only for the most Supreme Court of Alaska to treat
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  Speaker 1: it as a petty property crime rather than the final
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  Speaker 1: warning sign of a blossoming serial killer. But the most
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  Speaker 1: dangerous transition was the one that happened in the hangar.
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  Speaker 1: Denied a pilot's license by the FAA due to his
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  Speaker 1: own fragile mental state, Hansen bought his own wings anyway,
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  Speaker 1: because Alaska. He realized that the highway was a bit
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  Speaker 1: of a cage and roads were a liability, and by
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, the meek Baker was no longer a
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  Speaker 1: roadside scavenger. He was an aviator, which is terrifying. It
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  Speaker 1: acquired the ultimate tool for a predator, the ability to
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  Speaker 1: vanish into the thousands of square miles of the unmonitored
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  Speaker 1: Alaskan bush. The hunt is now no longer limited by
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  Speaker 1: the asphalt, and we're gonna get into it. You guys,
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  Speaker 1: are you ready? Are we all ready to be mad
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  Speaker 1: again and infuriated? Because this is another one of those
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  Speaker 1: nights just by the way, spoilers, spoilers. So by October fourteenth,
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  Speaker 1: the Silence decade was drawing to a close. Before the
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  Speaker 1: women of the Anchorage Strip, the noise was just beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Robert Hansen had been operating in the shadow for years,
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  Speaker 1: but his confidence was now a very physical presence. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't just want sex, he wanted the money's worth, the
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  Speaker 1: total terrifying ownership of another human being that four years
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  Speaker 1: later Cindy Paulsen would describe to investigators. Let me do
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  Speaker 1: that's overhears, I'm a little bit slower than I normally am.
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  Speaker 1: The venue was the Embers Club, a bistro known more
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  Speaker 1: for its topless and bottomless dancers and its menu, which
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  Speaker 1: is I mean, I don't know if I'd really want
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  Speaker 1: to be eating at one of those places. But it
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  Speaker 1: was here that Hansen met Christy Hayse. Now Christie was
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  Speaker 1: a young black woman, a mother of three, and a
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  Speaker 1: woman who treated her work at the Embers as exactly
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  Speaker 1: what it was, a job. She was there to provide
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  Speaker 1: for her kids. And when the stuttering man in the
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  Speaker 1: horn rimmed glasses offered her one hundred and ten dollars
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  Speaker 1: in advance, she saw a business transaction. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: one of the things to keep in mind this whole
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  Speaker 1: story is we're talking, you know, nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties money,
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  Speaker 1: where one hundred dollars or more is a significant amount
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  Speaker 1: of money. It's certainly a significant amount of money to
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  Speaker 1: someone that's a single mother of three children. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I could imagine that it is very, very hard to
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  Speaker 1: turn down that opportunity. Hello Spetty Ross, Hello, Hope you're
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  Speaker 1: doing well. Thanks for joining us again tonight. Now, Hanson's
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  Speaker 1: evolution was evident from the get go. He didn't just
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  Speaker 1: suggest the back of his camper. He asked Christy if
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  Speaker 1: she wanted to take an airplane ride to Palmer. In
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, Palmer wasn't just a town. It was
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  Speaker 1: the getaway to Nick River and the vast, unmonitored Alaskan bush.
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  Speaker 1: Hanson was trying to skip the roadsize phase entirely. He
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  Speaker 1: wanted her in the sky where the ground is thousands
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  Speaker 1: of feet away and the only lull is the man
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  Speaker 1: in the pilot's seat. I oh, gosh, to be proposition,
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  Speaker 1: not knowing what we know now, like just that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: But Christy Hayes was all about business, thank god. She
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  Speaker 1: had kids waiting for her at home, and a flight
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  Speaker 1: to Palmer was a time consuming diversion she couldn't afford.
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  Speaker 1: She brushed off the offer, thinking they would just head
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  Speaker 1: to the camper truck parked outside, do the deed, and
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  Speaker 1: she'd be back in time for breakfast with her family.
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  Speaker 1: But the moment they stepped into the back of that camper,
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  Speaker 1: the transaction died. In its place was the ritual of
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  Speaker 1: dominance Hanson had been perfecting since nineteen seventy one. Christy
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  Speaker 1: stripped naked, following the script of the date, but Hanson
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  Speaker 1: did not. That was the first red flag. The second
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  Speaker 1: was the silver colored revolver suddenly appeared in his hand,
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  Speaker 1: followed by a cold, clinical lecture on cooperation. Now during
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  Speaker 1: his nineteen eighty three con I'm sorry eighty four confession,
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  Speaker 1: that was my mistake, Chase eighty four confession, Hanson recounted
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  Speaker 1: the moment his ritual fell apart. He described his reflex
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  Speaker 1: action where he would use one hand to grab the
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  Speaker 1: victim's hair for leverage while his other hand reached under
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  Speaker 1: the seat for his weapon, a move he had already
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  Speaker 1: done dozens of times that we know of, or that
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  Speaker 1: he even admitted to. I mean, I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: whole lot. I think all these numbers are a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot more white. See, I just keep putting in the
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  Speaker 1: wrong number over and over again. Now he says, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: and it was the same thing in the back of
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  Speaker 1: the pickup here. I think she was wearing. Oh wait,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, I'm sorry. I had words for you, guys,
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  Speaker 1: but I had the wrong one. There we go. And
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  Speaker 1: it was the same thing in the back of the
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  Speaker 1: pickup here. I think she was wearing a wig. Maybe not.
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  Speaker 1: I pulled that. The damn thing came off her. Her
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  Speaker 1: hair was very, very short, extremely short. I think I
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  Speaker 1: dropped that and grabbed her around the neck. Then give
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  Speaker 1: her a speech about, hey, do exactly what you're told
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  Speaker 1: and you're not going to get hurt. I'm even going
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  Speaker 1: to pay Oh wait, hold, let me do this again. Sorry, guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'm even going to pay. I'm going to everything's going
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  Speaker 1: to be just cool. I said, just that it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be me deciding when we're done, not you. I
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  Speaker 1: think that was part of the reason, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: was always so they always wanted to say when we
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  Speaker 1: were done. You know. I figured that if a person
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  Speaker 1: was going to pay for it, they they they should
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  Speaker 1: be in the driver's seat, not the goal as to
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  Speaker 1: when it was done. This guy, I just I hate
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  Speaker 1: him so much, just the worst. Well. He then bound
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  Speaker 1: her hands and feet with guitar wire and shoved her
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  Speaker 1: into the bunk, locked the door, and climbed into the cab.
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  Speaker 1: As the engine turned over and the camper began to
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  Speaker 1: pull away towards destinations unknown, Robert Hansen likely thought that
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  Speaker 1: he had another disposable victim. He thought he was driving
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  Speaker 1: a submissive captive. But he was wrong. He wasn't just
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  Speaker 1: transporting a dancer. No, he was transporting a mother who
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  Speaker 1: had everything to lose, and inside that dark moving box,
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  Speaker 1: Christy Hayes went full Mama bear. I bet she did.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't see it coming, It would later be said
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  Speaker 1: by District Attorney Frank Rothschild, who once noted that Robert
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  Speaker 1: Hansen's only visible button of empathy was his family. Christy Hayes,
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  Speaker 1: as she lay bound by guitar wire and sensing the
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  Speaker 1: shifts in the camper's atmosphere that this clearly wasn't some
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  Speaker 1: quickie anymore, hit that button with everything she had. This
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  Speaker 1: man needed to understand that she didn't have time for
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  Speaker 1: this nonsense quote. This gotta be quick. I gotta get
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  Speaker 1: back to my kids, she shouted from the back of
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  Speaker 1: the truck. If I don't get back, they ain't gonna
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  Speaker 1: have no babysitter. They're gonna be by themselves. You hear me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want nobody messing with my babies, you hear me?
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait, I know. She kept saying, I've got to
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  Speaker 1: go home. She had two or three kids at home,
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  Speaker 1: that they was gonna be by themselves. I got thinking, well,
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  Speaker 1: g whiz, what if she's telling the truth. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to be responsible for somebody if their kids are
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  Speaker 1: at home by themselves. What a joke? I mean? Do
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  Speaker 1: we believe that he really felt that way? No, he didn't.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't give a shit about anybody that was waiting
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  Speaker 1: at home for any of these women. Ever, but it
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  Speaker 1: is a twisted glimpse into Hansen's psyche. He could kidnap,
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  Speaker 1: bind and assault a woman, maybe even kill them by now,
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  Speaker 1: but his domestic moral code flickered at the thought of
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  Speaker 1: unsupervised children, and this disrupted and this disrupted his plan
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  Speaker 1: for Christy. He decided to turn the truck around, intending
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  Speaker 1: to make it short and quick on a side street
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  Speaker 1: and then drop her back off. Now inside the dark,
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  Speaker 1: swaying camper, Christy Hayes proved that fear is no match
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  Speaker 1: for a mother's focus. While Hanson listened for signs of
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  Speaker 1: submission from her, Christy was systematically freeing herself from his restraints.
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  Speaker 1: Once Hansen realized what she had done, he slammed on
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  Speaker 1: the brakes, and Christy made a move Hansen never expected.
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  Speaker 1: The small sliding window between the camper and the truck
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  Speaker 1: cab became Christie's portal to survival. As Hansen jumped out
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  Speaker 1: to regain control of the back door, Christy wriggled through
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  Speaker 1: the tiny opening and into the driver's seat, slammed the
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: sliding window shut and locked every door. You remember, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, do they still make those tiny as
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  Speaker 1: tiny as those windows used to be because I remember
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  Speaker 1: being little and like, you know, the late eighties, early nineties,
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  Speaker 1: and everybody then had very old trucks. They didn't have
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  Speaker 1: new ones. And that window was like the size of
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  Speaker 1: my now adult head that she squeezed through. That's just
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  Speaker 1: that's impressive. Um okay, sorry. For a few moments, the
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  Speaker 1: power dynamic shifted entirely. Christy was inside the fortress and
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  Speaker 1: the predator was on the outside looking in. But there
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  Speaker 1: was one problem. Hansen had the keys to the truck.
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  Speaker 1: The standoff that followed was a mixture of the terrifying
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  Speaker 1: and the absurd. Realizing that he had left the key
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  Speaker 1: for the camper on the dashboard, Hanson the Mick Baker,
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  Speaker 1: tried to reason with a woman he had just kidnapped
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  Speaker 1: at gunpoint. Could you imagine, like, oh, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: need you to I'm going to need you to cooperate
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  Speaker 1: and give me that key, even though I've kidnapped you
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  Speaker 1: and you know you're probably terrified you're going to die
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  Speaker 1: because I've held a gun to your hand. But let's
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  Speaker 1: just let's just work it out, like it's crazy. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: here we go. So Hansen said, I said, oh wait,
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  Speaker 1: that's not the right page. I'm sorry, there we go,
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  Speaker 1: I said, slide me out the key. I'll go around
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  Speaker 1: and open up the back and get your clothes. And
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  Speaker 1: she just kept it on, screaming. I said, hey, you
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  Speaker 1: open up the window and calm down, or I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to shoot you right there. And that didn't work either. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you don't say, you don't say, Robert. He even tried
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  Speaker 1: a desperate theatrical attempt to regain our trust by walking
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  Speaker 1: across the street and dropping his pistol on the ground.
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  Speaker 1: She said, no, you're going to shoot me anyway. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to shoot you know, I said, just
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  Speaker 1: put we were just going to forget about the whole works.
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  Speaker 1: I said, here, now look, I'll prove to you I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to shoot you. I'm going to take watch.
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  Speaker 1: I walked across the street with that pistol and I
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  Speaker 1: said here, now watch it. Here. I dropped it beside
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  Speaker 1: the road, walked back to the pickup and there was
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  Speaker 1: something else said, I don't know, back and forth. Convenient,
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  Speaker 1: you're for God, I said. She started yelling about now
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  Speaker 1: now get me my clothes again, you know, And I
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  Speaker 1: showed her right where the goddamn key is. On un laying.
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  Speaker 1: It was laying right in fucking plain sight. So you're right, Robert,
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  Speaker 1: that was like the best way to go about managing
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: any of this. Like I saw you put the gun down.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Why would I cooperate with you at this point? I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: do think you're probably gonna try to kill me no
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: matter what. So, and Christie didn't care about his theater.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: She was naked, she was trapped, and she had children
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: waiting for her. If she couldn't drive the truck, she
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: was gonna make sure he couldn't either. So she began
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: tearing the wiring out of the dashboard, literally ripping the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: guts out of his escape vehicle, which I just I love.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I don't love Christie's story, but I very much appreciate
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: how Christie you know, with her, He's starting to fuck
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: around and find out with her, and I appreciate that. Now, Hanson,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Now this was the breaking point for him
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: because you know, you can't have a woman standing up
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: to me. No, can't be doing that. So anyway, and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: she kept on screaming, and I just freaking got mad,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: and I stuck my hand in and punched the windshield
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: or the side window and knock that completely out and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: said something about no, I'll get the fucking keys, you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: and reached in for them. And you know what I
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: find striking about what he has The way he talks
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: about this incident, you know, after the fact, it's just
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: like he's trying to be a nice guy, you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: to forget the fact, you know that he's telling you know, investigators,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: forget the fact I tied her up. All right, I'm
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a good person, even though I I've kidnapped her. I'm
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: a reasonable guy. Right, It's ridiculous. Now, as Hanson lunched
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: for her, train is earlier tonight than it usually is.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Of course, now, as Hanson lunched for her she jumped
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: out the passenger door and ran stark naked into the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: freezing October night. She didn't look back for her clothes
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: or her shoes. She ran until she saw the lights
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of an unknown person's home pounding on the door. With
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the desperation of a survivor. Hanson's reaction to her escape
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: was fairly similar to that of future victim and survivor
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Cindy Paulsen. He didn't chase Christie. Instead, he grabbed her
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: discarded clothes from the back of the camper, tossed them
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: onto the side of the road, retrieved his pistol and
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: drove away. But this woman, Christy Hayes, would come back
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to haunt him more than once. Now. On Saturday, October fourteenth,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the resident of two of two Stuart Street, Mildred Johnson,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: became the first link in a chain of justice when
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: a bleeding, nude woman pounded on her door. Mildred didn't
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: look for excuses or harbor the biases that often paralyzed
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a law enforcement in the legal system. You see, it's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: not that hard, Alaska. She saw a human being in
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the middle of a nightmare and called the police. Now,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: when Officer Hammond arrived, he did with some well most
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: of the investigators in the silent decade had failed to do.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: He documented the scene immediately shocking. I know, in this
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: story we've covered what what somebody doing their job. Amazing.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: He found in photographed the heavy from Hanson's the tire
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: prints from Hanson's truck in the dirt, and the shards
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: of glass from the window that Hanson had shattered with
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: his own fist, and a desperate rage. Christie provided a
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: detailed profile of him five ten tall. See again, they
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: described him as tall. It's not a very tall height
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: for a man, but okay, brown hair, approximately forty years old,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and an outdoors type, dressed in a plaid hunting jacket.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Perhaps most crucially, Christie described the inside of the camper
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: as a mobile armory filled with furs and rifles. She
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: told him that she had left her blue bag and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the back that contained her dancing outfits, one decorated with
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: small diamond like stones and another with hand prints sewn
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: on the butt and bra And even though Christie was
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: standing there naked and bleeding, the ultimate proof of a struggle,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the initial investigation failed her as there was no report.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: The officer searched for her missing clothing, and as October
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: turned to November, the bakery door stayed open and Hansen
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: went right back to hunting. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah, that's right.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Nothing immediately happens at all, to the surprise of none
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: of us. Now, for Hanson, the encounter with Christy Hayes
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: wasn't a moment of redemption. He didn't view her escape
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: as a sign to stop. If he had, maybe there
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: would be seventeen women who would have stayed alive. He
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: would later tell future investigators that he realized that his
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: failure was of his own engineering. So he began to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: treat his criminal mythology as or with the same cold
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: analytical precision he applied to his archery or his navigation.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: His primary takeaway, because of course he's going to learn
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: more from this. His primary takeaway from the kidnapping of
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Christie was that his physical control was inadequate. He realized
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: that a human target, even one bound by guitar wire,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: could find the mechanical advantage to tear themselves free. His
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: solution was chillingly simple. He just modified his equipment. Hanson
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: installed a heavy duty eye bolt into the interior of
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: his camper, providing a permanent, immovable anchor point to restrain
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: his future victims. He turned his camper from a simple
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: transport vehicle into a reinforced holding cell, and he later
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: claimed in his confession, I never used the camper again,
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: but for the victims who followed the modifications he made
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: set the stage for an even darker efficiency, And quite frankly,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I don't believe him. I don't believe him when he
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: says he never used the camper again, not at all,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: do you guys? Believe him because I don't. And also,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you know, I like how he likes to play it
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: up in his confession with Christy here of like I
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: was gonna let her go. I'm trying to be a
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: nice guy. And then he goes and does all these
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: things to keep them even more captive, like he's so
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: sick and twisted. Hinson also began to map his crimes
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: to the rhythms of his domestic life. So he says
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: he restricted his predatory activities to the summer months. That's
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: what he says. That's not what the numbers show, but okay,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: excuse me. And he was specifically target times when his
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: wife and children were away. He was a man with
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: a busy life, but in the absences he created, he
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: was orchestrating a campaign of violence. Now, the Christy Hayes
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: kidnapping also proved to Hansen that a normal vehicle, especially
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: one that looked like his, was liability in a populated area,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: so he decided to use a passenger car exclusively though
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: when scouting or transporting victims from the strip to his
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: home or the airfield. And I guess a truck with
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a camper attached to it is a pretty big obvious
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: it's that guy. Now, by moving the disposable women from
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the roadside of his Piper super cub bush plane, he
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: could take them to his private hunting reserve. Now, after
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, his violence only became more focused, more secluded,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and infinitely more dangerous. He stopped relying on impulsive encounters
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: on the main drag and began to treat his victims
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: like cargo for his plane. He learned his lesson from
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Christy Hayes, and he would never again let a victim
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: have access to a dashboard, a window, or a chance
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: to reach out for help. He was done with the quickie,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and he was done with the city streets. He was
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: ready for this guy. And shortly after Hanson had devised
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: his new grand plan, he would take his first confessed
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: murder victim on a flight that she would never return from,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a woman who would come to be known as Eklutna Annie.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: That's right, just the short time after Christy, Like we're
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: talking maybe a month, all right, if only the police
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: would have done something, hmm. Now, the Silent Decade was
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: never truly sent silent all right, as they like to
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: call it. Basically, it was the ignored decade. Five months
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: after the terror on Stuart Street, Robert Hansen and Christy
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Hayes crossed paths once more. Yeah, can you. I mean,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: of course they're bound to. You know, Anchorage isn't like
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: it's big, but it's not that big now. On Sunday,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: March twenty third, nineteen eighty so this is October, November, December, January,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: so six months after he kidnapped and tried to assault
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: her at my favorite of the names, the Great Alaska
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Bush Company Bush Company, Christy was doing her job as
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: a dancer when she looked across the dimly lit room
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and saw a face that had been etched into her memory.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: In his later confession, Hanson revealed the sheer paranoia that
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: accompanied his overconfidence. He described his ritual of entering a club,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: sitting in the darkest booth and peeking around, trying to
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: ensure he hadn't seen a girl before. I mean, you would,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you would absolutely have to think. And he had every
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: reason too, that he could show up back at these
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: clubes after doing what he's done to a lot of
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: these women and really not be that worried about it,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: which is crazy, which is just crazy, But you know,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: when you are not held accountable or responsible for any
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: of these things. Because these people aren't seen as people,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: you can't really blame them, even if he was trying to,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you know, hide in the dark and stuff. I just
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I don't understand how the word going around of this.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: He would even like they wouldn't have a thing at
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the door like that guy. That's the guy who is
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: a creep and keeps taking women and assaulting them. It's
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: kind of crazy. But sorry, Oh yeah, no, he had
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: no fear, no fear, and yeah it is it is crazy.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I would I can't imagine the fear that she saw
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: she had when she saw him. Oh my god. So
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Hansen says in his interview. When I was in there
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: that night, you know, I I done it the normal thing,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: you know. I stepped inside the door and took one
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: of the first booths there and sat there, you know,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: and tried to peek around and make sure that i'd
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: take each girl individually and look at and make sure
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: that I hadn't seen her before. Of course, I was
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: always people girls coming out of the dressing room, this
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: and that and all and so forth, and I'd always
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: take a booth away from other people you know, so
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: that or I didn't stick out. I try to. I
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: try and pick out the darkest portion of the club,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: which honestly makes you stand out more. But I think
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the weird guy in the corner her, I can't. I
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: don't think these clubs were that big. You'd be very noticeable. Book,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I obviously don't spend a lot of
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: time in nineteen seventy eighties trip clubs. Now, something told me, Bob,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: get the hell out of here. I seen this goal
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: looking my way, but she didn't look the same. Whether
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: she had an entirely different hairdoo or whatever, she did
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: not look the same to me at all. Now, Christy's
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: decision to wear different wigs, a choice made for her career,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: allowed her to see him before he recognized her. She
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: had caught the butcher Baker flat footed in his own
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: hunting ground, but she didn't freeze or hide. Instead, she
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: walked to the phone and called the police, because again,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: six months and they've done jack shit. Here's this man
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: in the club that kidnapped her. Probably was gonna kill her,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: be honest, here now. When Officer Loche arrived, Christy pointed
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the man out to him. In a display of his
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: supreme confidence in the systems bias, Hanson didn't run. He
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: agreed to go to the station for an interview, and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: he sat across from investigators and spun a tail that
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you guess did cast him as the victim of another shakedown.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this man, this poor poor little man,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: just keeps getting shook down by all these all these
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: lesser women than him, over and over and over again,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: but he keeps going back. So now he claimed he
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: gave her a ride home out of the goodness of
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: his heart. You guys, that's right. He's such a good,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: nice guy. When she advanced herself on him, stripped off
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: her clothes, performed oral sex, and then demanded seventy five
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: dollars as one does. Okay, it's literally not how any
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: of that works, but sure. When he refused to pay,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: he claimed she got upset and he simply panicked and
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: threw her out of the back of his camper. I like,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: can you believe that? And this guy and people believe
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: this story, like, oh, oh, I didn't know what was happening. Oh,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: they just happened, and I just I didn't. I didn't know.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: It was crazy now, As District Attorney Frank Roth's child
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: later noted, the story was ridiculous on its face. The
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: women of the strip were professionals, all right. They negotiated
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: terms and they took the money up front. They didn't
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: perform for send hope for the best leader. And Hansen
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: was playing the role of the eternal nath He was
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: just a simple, stuttering baker from Iowa who was just
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: two innocent for in the big city, Ugh. Perhaps the
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: most stinging missed opportunity occurred in that interview room Officer
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Loche had access to the reports from five months ago,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: including the photos of the broken glass on Stuart Street.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: If Hanson had simply thrown her out of the door,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: why was there shattered glass all over the street. It's
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: not a very complicated or hard question to, you know,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: think of, right, But of course, remember where we are.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Loch never pressed him on the glass. He never asked
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: why a simple disagreement resulted in a woman running naked
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: and bleeding through a suburban like neighborhood. And because Christy
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Hayes worked the streets and Robert Hansen worked a bakery,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the police, of course chose the path of least resistance.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: They are such imbeciles, And then he guessed it. Robert
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Hanson walked out of that police station more convinced than
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: ever of his own invincibility. He learned that the police
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: wouldn't just ignore the disposables, they would actively help him
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: silence them by refusing to investigate. See all that blood
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: anchorage bedias on their hands. Shame on them. He left
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: the Alaska Bush Company scouting behind him, went back to
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: his bakery and prepared for the summer of nineteen eighty.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: The Silent Decade was over, and in less than two months,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: the era of the death Map was about to begin.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: In earnest Now, the story of Christy Hayes and Robert
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Hanson feels like a series of coincidence, or feels less
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: like a series of coincidences and more like a reoccurring nightmare.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: By nineteen eighty three, this is three years after well
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: three and a half years after he had kidnapped Christy.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: She was trying to move away from the strip. She
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: was a mother with kids to feed, and she wanted
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: the stability of a real job. So she walked through
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: the door of a local business and filled out an application.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: But then she found herself standing face to face with
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the owner. And the owner was Robert Hanson. The man
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: who was stuttering about payroll and shifts was the same
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: man who had bound her with guitar wire and pointed
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: a three fifty seven at her at her head. And
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: here is what she has to say about that. Well
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: ocosciously from the bank ninetheen en rope and I will
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: did have meant put an application in one day, and
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: he was in the back and the lady he was
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Connie Johnson, who brought me them. I built that the
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: application and gave it to him. I left on the counties.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: He came around the corner. I seen him, You seen me.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I knew who he was. He knew who I was, obviously,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: and the hair just stood on the back of my neck. Never,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I don't want to work there, and what I mean
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Connie kept asking me, what that's the man who kidn't
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: at me? That's him. But it was too late. He
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: already had the application with my sold security number, address,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: phone number, everything. You had all information on me. Terrifying.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I get chills just hearing her say that.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't, even all those years I'm sure,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: she did her best to try to put all that
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: behind her, and then boom, there he is, and boom,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: you just gave him all of the information. He didn't
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: know anything about you, and now he had access to
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: all of that. Oh my gosh. You know, the irony
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: year is is very thick and quite frankly better. Christy
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: was seeking a job at the bakery, a place that
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: represented normalacy and safety, only to find that the monster
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: she was trying to escape was one signing the paychecks,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and a few months later, during Hansen's interview with Sergeant
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Glenn Flock, he admitted he didn't even recognize her. He said, well,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: she came into the bakery and asked for a job
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: one time, and as a matter of fact, she was
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: in I think a couple of times. I wouldn't have
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: any address except what she put down on her application.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: As though, like, well, I don't even know. I don't
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: know if I believe him when he says he didn't
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: recognize her. I don't know about that. But Christy Hayes
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: survived Robert Hanson three times, once in a moving camper,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: once in a crowded bar, and once across a bakery counter.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: She was the unlikely antidote to unconstrained freedom, a living
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: reminder that the meek Baker was a lie. And for
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: a man who was already using his airplane to make
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: people vanish, having the home address of the one witness
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: who could identify him could have been a potential death
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: sentence for Christie Hayes. Now, as we stand on the
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: precipice of the nineteen eighties, we know the grim math,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: or at least what we've been told is the grim math.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Seventeen women are marked for death. But as we've seen,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: the butcher Baker didn't emerge from a vacuum. He was
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: cultivated by a decade of systemic indifference, bureauratic blindness, and
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: a legal system that repeatedly valued the rehabilitation of a white,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: middle class business owner over the lives of women. The
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: seventeen exes on Hanson's death map aren't just his marks.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: They are a tally of every time the system looked
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the other way. Now, the first and perhaps most egregious
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: failure happened at the highest level. Robert Hanson was a
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: convicted kidnapper and known rapist by nineteen seventy two. The
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: evidence in the Patty Roberts, and Susan Hepper case was overwhelming,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Yet instead of the five years he was sentenced to serve,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: the parole board sent him to a halfway house, basically
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: giving him his life back after just six months. Alaska's
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Bloody Hands number one, and if his sentence was upheld
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: as it should have been, Hanson would have been behind bars.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: We don't know he's the one responsible for these desks,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: but I very much think that he is. And if
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: he was behind all of these, he would have been
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: behind bars during the death of Zz Mason, the disappearances
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: of Megan Emrick and Mary phil and most likely unknown
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: victims we are not aware of to this day, because
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: there has got to be a lot in the silent
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: decade would have remained silent because the predator would have
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: been caged. Now, bloody hand of Alaska number two. That's right,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I made a list. Okay. Then there's Beth van Zand Okay,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: where just about every fact of her case would match
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Robert Hansen's rituals. The failure here was a siloed investigation.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: At the exact time Beth's body was being recovered, Hanson
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: was being investigated for the kidnapping and rape of Patty
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Roberts and the assault on Susan Heppard. He was more
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: of a match than her cousin Greg and Ronnie. And
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: because Hanson had an alibi and the investigators had tunnel vision,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: he continued to fly under the radar. And one thing
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I didn't ride down here. That's interesting to mention. Remember Beth,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: they said her hands bound by speaker wire. Right, the
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: investigators were looking for speaker wire everywhere. And we know
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: we've now heard several stories of Hanson taking women using
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: different everyday items to bind them. All right, Beth, speaker
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: wire if you believe he killed her, which I do,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: And then all the way up nine eight, nine, ten
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: years later to Christy Hayes, and he used it. What
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: guitar wire? I mean, I don't know how how non
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: obvious like this is so obvious, you know. Then Alaska's
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: bloody hand number three. Less than two months later, Shirley
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Jonas also eighteen year old. Eighteen years old, like the
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: previous three women, that's not the right one. There we go, sorry,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: like the previous three women, almost like someone had a type,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: you know, was found mostly nude and sexually assaulted in
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: a truck yard frozen and discarded, much like Beth fansand
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: no investigators spent their time looking for a tall which
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: tall is apparently very subjective. In the stand of Alaska,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: we've learned mystery man and a yellow shirt. That could
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: he could have just been a red herring. He could
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: have left with her and not been that guy at all.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: He could have walked to his car and that was it.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: That was it. It is ridiculous. It is ridiculous, isn't it. Guys?
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: They literally, yes, law enforcement missed literally everything because of
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: their personal societal biases. Yes, yes they did. Now we
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: know that Hansen was out on recognance for Susan and
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Patty knowingly looking at prison time. Did he strike before
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: he was put behind bars? Was this another twisted version
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: of his dates? Since it was right before Valentine's Day?
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Did anyone even actually look into him as a possible suspect,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: because I don't understand how if they didn't, why they didn't.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: All right, you can't find this mystery tall man in
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: a yellow shirt. Let's go down the other list of
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: three women who just came about two months ago, who
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: they're all the same size, same age, kind of look alike.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: They don't all look alike. Maybe you ask him right?
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: Did they even bother? I don't think they did. I
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: have a proof either way, but I'm gonna go what
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: they probably didn't. Now not bloody hand number four for
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: the state of Alaska. Now, not long after being let
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: out of prison and sent to the halfway house, zz
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Mason is found brutally murdered and raped in a gravel pit. Investigators,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: desperate to solve something, put their eyes on Gary Zeiger.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: They said they had evidence, but once they took it
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: to trial, it was obvious their theory was full of holes,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: and the jury acquitted him and it was a joke
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: of a trial. Now, was zz me actually a victim
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: of Robert Hansen? Did investigators even look into the guy
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: who was just released from a prison for kidnapping and
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: knowingly raping young women? So much of her case also
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: matches with everything we know about Hanson everything, and quite frankly,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: he should have been under the highest level of scrutiny,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and we know through his confessions oh wait till you
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: guys hear these and a few episodes later, that he
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: was cruising during this time and he was looking for
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: women while in the halfway house, and nothing ever made
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: him stop what he was doing, not for a second ever.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Bloody Hands number five and six, Yep, there's a lot
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: of bloody hands, guys, a lot of bloody hands and Seaward.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: The disappearances of Megan, Emrick and Mary were met with
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: standard due diligence, which wasn't not great, but because there
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: were no bodies, the police relied on polygraphs of inner
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: circles and then just simply stopped. Now Hanson, we know
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: was no stranger to Seaward. He has spent many summers
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: there with his boat, his camper and apparently a mystery
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: log cabin. We know he was there both times these
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: women disappeared because he had to get permission from his
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: parole officer. Was he ever looked into. It's unreasonable to
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: think that Robert was able to control his impulses just
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: because it wasn't his home base. As a matter of fact,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: I think that would actually be I don't know, beneficial
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: to him. They could just take people and then just
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: disappeared because he didn't actually live there. Bloody Hands number seven,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: this is what There's the case of Jane Doe, the
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: dancer slash school singer, school teacher, I'm sorry, school teacher.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: The third party rape reporting system was designed for privacy,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: but for Hanson, it was just another get out of
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: jail free card. Even with a licensed plate number, a
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: vehicle match, and one hundred percent photo, I d the police,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: excuse me, allowed the case to stall because the victim
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: was too terrified, not just because of Robert Hanson, but
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: because of the social stigma to go official, the same
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: stigma that also had a very heavy presence in the
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: mini minds of law enforcement. And honestly, she's not wrong.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Do I think if they would have acted acted on
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Jade and Doe's case that something would be done. No,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I don't at all, because look what happens a couple
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: of years later with oh my goodness, Chris not yes,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Christy sorry Christy Sandi. I was like, no, that's not it.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Oh they didn't do shit with her. Why would they
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: do anything for this woman? Let's be honest here, you know.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: And in her case, the police had the man, the gun,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: and the car, but they chose to let the paper
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: work gathered dust rather than find a way to protect
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: a victim who was essentially handing them a serial rapist,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: maybe even a serial killer. I think so on a
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: silver platter. Now bloody and number eight there was the
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: chainsaw theft. That's not the right one. I'm sorry it in.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: It is a stinging indictment of our society that the
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: only thing that actually put Hanson back in front of
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: a judge was a two hundred dollars chainsaw. The system
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: was more efficient at protecting the inventory of fred Meyer
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: than the lives of women. Five years was the sentence
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: he received, and then less than a year later, the
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Alaska Supreme Court granted him reprieve that allowed him to
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: walk free. And if he had served his full time,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: most of the seventeen women that we know of wouldn't
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: have lost their lives. And then the last bloody hand
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: of Alaska. Number nine of the Silent decade was the
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: failure of Officer Loch to reconcile Hansen's dumb bumpkin story
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: with the forensic evidence of the broken glass is just inexcusable.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: It was literally in front of his face. He just
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: had to ask some questions and give itsh but apparently
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: that was too much. They had a violent struggle documented
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: in a police report, and they chose to believe the
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Baker's shakedown story over the bleeding survivor's testimony. Now, the
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: sixteen women after Oopsory, after a Klutna Annie, who are
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: about to die, including Christie's successor Joanna Messina, weren't just
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: killed by Robert Hansen. They were killed by a system
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: that decided their lives and the ones that came before
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: weren't worth the paperwork it would take to lock up
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: a respectable man. They all died, every single one of them,
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: because the State of Alaska gave a known monster the
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt, over and over and over again,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: nine ups, over and over again. Now that is all
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: we have for this episode and next time on True
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: True Crime. In Wine Times Frozen Fear, the Butcher Baker
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: of Alaska series, the Avenue is screaming, but is anyone listening.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: After the discovery of the Bear Lady in Seaward, mm hmm,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: that's right, Sea word you guys back there? What are
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: the odds? And at Glutina Annie north of Anchorage, the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: city's neon lit corridors are haunted by a growing list
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: of empty chairs in silenced voices. As we move into
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: the heart of nineteen eighty eighty one, eighty two eighty three,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: The predator refines his deadliest lure, the three nder a
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: dollar Opportunity, But as the bodies pile up, the city
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: reaches a breaking point. So join us next for part eight,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: The Missing Dancer Dancers nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty three,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: And so that is the episode for tonight. I don't
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: really have any closing thoughts, as the Bloody Hands was
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: really all my closing thoughts in case you couldn't tell.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: But it's truly unbelievable. These were all the stories that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: I felt we needed to tell. These are the stories
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: that most people don't hear about or know about when
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: it comes to Robert Hanson. And yes, Robert Hanson is
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: to blame for all of the lives he took, all
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: of the destruction he created, but so does Alaska. Alaska
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: needs to take responsible for this. And I would love
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: to tell you that things have changed. No, no, they haven't,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: not even in the slightest. And that's just awful and sad,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: because you know, it's one thing you know, when you
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: hear like you know, we all listen to true crime,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: right and even the police if you're from like a
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: small town where things don't happen, right, you can easily
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: chalk things up to be like, oh, it's probably it's
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: probably not a serial killer, right, you know, like that
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff doesn't happen here, And now that's not true.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Shit happens everywhere. But that's just like a common thing
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: people say. But literally, in Alaska, everything was happening. They
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: knew it was happening. They had a guy, they had
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: his name, they had stories, they had cars, they had everything,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: and they just wanted to be like, well, I don't
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know where all these women
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: keep going missing. I don't know why women keep being assaulted.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: It's just that kind of stuff doesn't happen here whatever,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: you know. Even for now, for them to still be
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: like that in Anchorage is ridiculous because Hanson was not
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: the only serial killer in Alaska from his time to now.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: There were numerous. So you can't just be like, oh,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of you know, sex workers go missing or
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: found dead. Well, that's just that's just lifestyle. That's just
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: what happens. I don't know. When you've had that many
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: serial killers, I don't know. I'd probably take each one
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: pretty seriously if you even gave the slightest of shits,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: you know, because it just makes it seem like all
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: these women just died in vain and sadly. In our
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: next episode, you're going to find out that there isn't
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: much known about a lot of them, and that's just
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: incredibly sad. What was the name of the documentary we
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: watched on HBO? It was called Lost in Alaska. Three parts,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: it's about two hours total for all of them, which
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: is a recent case. I forget what the guy's school name.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: His first name was, Brian Stephen. I don't know. He
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: was a douche. Uh. I don't care to remember his name.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: He's awful. And listen, you know, if you do go
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: and watch that, you will hear how spoilers. I hope
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: you don't mind, but this ties into this case. He
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: drops a body off where well we'll learn more about her,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: but in at Glutna by the power plant, which just
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: so happens to be the same spot they find at
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Glutna Annie spoilers, And then they talk about how he
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: picks up women at ninth in Ingrat guess where Hanson's
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: bakery was? And Ingra Okay, and it's a bigger city
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: now than it was then, and it's just so the coincidence,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, but yes, he was
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: from South Africa, lady in Gray, the guy from the
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Lost in Alaska, and it's horrific. I mean, we sat
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: there and just cried. I'd like, you know, it was writing.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that it was still that bad there,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: that these biases are still there rampant, like you're gonna
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: hear some of those investigators say some things where you're
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: just like, you have got to be kidding me, Like
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I cannot believe you're even saying that right now. And yeah,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: it was really really good, and you know, I had
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: spent that week and I was I was starting to
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: write about all of these missing you know, dancers that
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: are coming up next, and it was so sad to
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: write all of their stuff because some had a lot,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: some had nothing, and you know, just to know that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: none of that need to happen. And so then we
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: watched the documentary and to see that all of it
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: was still happening was very defeating. It was really really
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: sad to learn that literally nothing, nothing had changed the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: same incompetence, the same bias, the same everything. And this
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: has been fifty years and you haven't learned anything, Anchorage.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Are you serious? It's don't watch with Yeah, don't watch
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: with something in your hands you can throw. It was
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: really good. I very much recommend giving that a watch.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: So I'm hell bent on on Alaska right now. I'm
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: not a big fan. I'm not a big fan of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: what's going on over there, but you guys, I am
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: going to get off of here. But before I do,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: let's just do our quickly little wrapped up but you
• 1:06:01
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• 1:06:03
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• 1:06:20
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• 1:06:23
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• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: So next week. We'll definitely have some extra episodes next
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: week as well. Lady and Gray says that same bias
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: is not just in Alaska, it happened in my city
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. That is absolutely true,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Lady and Gray, absolutely true. And I think I think
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: this is stuff that needs to be more talked about
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: and recognized. I mean, there are people doing good work,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: but we need we need more people being like, you
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: know this just this isn't right, This isn't right. I'm
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: not sure if I'm gonna be doing couch court with
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Law in the morning or not. Probably I think there's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: maybe like a thirty percent chance I will. I don't know,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: we'll see. But anyway, you all have a wonderful night,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Please stay safe, and until next time, go forth and
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: be amazing. All right, bye, guys,