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Changes atop league standings, teams ready to clinch, Michigan's feasibility study · The PodKaz: USCHO Women's Hockey

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  Speaker 1: Uscho dot com. Everyone, it's the podcast. Todd Meluski, Nicole
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  Speaker 1: Hase here with you from ushow dot com. Nicole, what
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  Speaker 1: a weekend? Last weekend? What a weekend coming up? It's February.
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  Speaker 1: It means it's the best time of the year. Well,
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  Speaker 1: maybe March is better, but I mean, really, when you
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  Speaker 1: get down to it, this is when everything gets one
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  Speaker 1: in terms of the league championships, and we saw some
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  Speaker 1: of those happen. Maybe question Mark a team stepped forward
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  Speaker 1: in a few leagues last week. But before we get
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  Speaker 1: to what we saw in ECAC Hockey East New I
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  Speaker 1: want to start with what we saw in Minneapolis, Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State at Minnesota last week. Number two at number three
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  Speaker 1: came away with a split. But wow, what a what
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  Speaker 1: a series, dude, give us things to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we could talk for about that those
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  Speaker 2: two games for an hour.
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  Speaker 1: This could be the show today just talking about those
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  Speaker 1: two games. I almost want to start with the second
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  Speaker 1: one because that I felt like there was just so
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  Speaker 1: many swings in that game.
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  Speaker 2: The Gopher that was like two fully separate games. The
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  Speaker 2: first two periods were one game and the third period
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  Speaker 2: was a whole separate game.
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  Speaker 1: So the Gophers go up three separate times by a goal, two, one,
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  Speaker 1: three to two, but each time Sloane Matthews comes back
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  Speaker 1: with the golf for Ohiose States. So she's got a
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  Speaker 1: hat trick by the end of the second period.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she only had four goals the rest of the season.
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  Speaker 1: Right, It's not like her name has been on the
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  Speaker 1: score sheet a lot, but came through in some pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Big absolutely, Right.
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  Speaker 1: If they get a couple of goal lead after winning
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  Speaker 1: on Friday, you start to think, hmm, maybe this starts
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  Speaker 1: going in that direction.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And they came in and scored early to start
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  Speaker 2: the game, so you're like, oh, oh for Ohio States.
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  Speaker 2: So Matthews, I got this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But so then it gets to the third period
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  Speaker 1: and throw everything away then because the the Buckeyes come
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  Speaker 1: out with a four goal third you're a jung akre
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  Speaker 1: Jocelyn Amos a five on three goal and a petil
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  Speaker 1: on the five on four resulting Karazanain with goals for
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State and the third. Then things got kind of
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  Speaker 1: wild in the final minutes with penalties very tactful appearing
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  Speaker 1: and uh yeah, give me your impression of just what
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  Speaker 1: that was what we saw. If we watched that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I mean, I think just going back, like so
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  Speaker 2: this game is three to two Minnesota with under a
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  Speaker 2: minute to play at the end of the second and
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  Speaker 2: they lost the game seven to three. I'd just like
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  Speaker 2: to point out what I don't know what Whedy's Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State eight at this that intermission, but yeah, soln Matthews
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  Speaker 2: had her a third sort of comeback goal with what
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  Speaker 2: is it like fifty one seconds left on the clock.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State scores thirty three seconds into the third and
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  Speaker 2: then at four eleven and four to forty eight, so
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  Speaker 2: you're talking six six minutes to gameplay, under six minutes
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  Speaker 2: to gameplay. That Ohio State put four goals on like
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  Speaker 2: just completely frip flip the script. It was kind of
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous to watch, like kind of crazy, really sort of unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: But I won't point out three of those goals, those
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  Speaker 2: three goals to start the third period where power play goals.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we were just talking about this a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: you know, before we started recording. The officiating left a
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  Speaker 2: lot to be desired, and like generally you and I
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  Speaker 2: are both not ones to like talk too much about
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  Speaker 2: the officiating, Like for the most part. I think things
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  Speaker 2: kind of ebb and flow and even out over the
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  Speaker 2: course of a season. But there were twenty one penalties
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  Speaker 2: for fifty minutes in this game, and like there were
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  Speaker 2: no penalties in the first period of the first game,
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  Speaker 2: and like the penalty numbers kind of crept up, and
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  Speaker 2: it was just one of those where you could see
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  Speaker 2: that the rest were like, oh, we're gonna let them play.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wait, that was a bad plan, and then had
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  Speaker 2: to like try and reel it in when it was
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  Speaker 2: way too late. I mean, we were literally at the
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  Speaker 2: point in this game where late in the game, the
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  Speaker 2: the players are wind up round a face off circle,
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  Speaker 2: a face off is about to happen, and one player
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  Speaker 2: just literally like wipes the skate out from another player,
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  Speaker 2: Like no, there's none that. This is like elbows along
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  Speaker 2: the wall, like happening behind the play. This is just
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  Speaker 2: like we pure hatred right out in the open, and
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  Speaker 2: they like they were doing it because they were getting
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  Speaker 2: away with stuff. It just like it had escalated so
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  Speaker 2: badly and the rest lost complete control of this series,
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  Speaker 2: maybe before the second game even started, which is.
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  Speaker 1: Part of the problem of if you don't call the
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  Speaker 1: stick fouls right away, if you say, Okay, we're just
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  Speaker 1: going to let that go. That's the standard, that's what
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  Speaker 1: people expect. Okay, you're not calling that. I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: get away with that and more.
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  Speaker 2: And then pushing that line.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah uh. And then by the time you realize, well
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  Speaker 1: I've got to call that, you've kind of lost it.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's too.
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  Speaker 2: Late, I mean, are too little, too late.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, ring reeling that back in is pretty difficult. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty eight minutes and penalties alone in the third period,
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  Speaker 1: but one of those is a ten minute misconduct. But
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  Speaker 1: that just tell you that that Wow, if we see
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  Speaker 1: this again, which we made very well at in a
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  Speaker 1: bottom month's time, Wow, that could be kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And also I think it'll be interesting to see
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  Speaker 2: Minnesota coming out of this series. I mean, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: don't what's fully interesting is the misconduct went to Abby Murphy,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm guessing it was about something she said, because
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  Speaker 2: there is no obvious reason why she got that penalty
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  Speaker 2: when she did. In watching the game, I done went
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  Speaker 2: back and checked it again because I was like I
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  Speaker 2: and and Dan Hammond, who does the play by play
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  Speaker 2: for them, also really didn't have much to say. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm completely unsure why that of all of all of
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  Speaker 2: the things like that play is the one that got
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  Speaker 2: that penalty. And again then then it's sort of like
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  Speaker 2: now you're like who can do what and what is
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  Speaker 2: being said? And yeah, it was. It was a mess.
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  Speaker 2: It was not pretty. It can only imagine that it's
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  Speaker 2: going to lead to more issues, as you said, within
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  Speaker 2: the next month, where these two will obviously most likely
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  Speaker 2: face each other again at least once.
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  Speaker 1: Seems like they're locked into two and three in some order,
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  Speaker 1: which seems like it's it's pretty solid that way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, yeah, it was. It's a shame because it
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  Speaker 2: was to start some really good hockey. These are two
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  Speaker 2: really good teams. They matched up pretty well. It was
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  Speaker 2: as I had said. I think we talked about leading
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  Speaker 2: into this, like I feel like like the Gophers have
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  Speaker 2: grown quite a bit since when these because these two
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  Speaker 2: teams let's met in October, which feels like a lifetime ago,
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  Speaker 2: and I felt like a Minnesota showed that off in
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  Speaker 2: the first game on Friday night. But yeah, if you
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  Speaker 2: want like takes on hockey from Saturday's game, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure there's any to be had. Yeah, it was. It's
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  Speaker 2: sort of defied explanation. But it was also like once
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  Speaker 2: you started taking those dumb penalties where it was just
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  Speaker 2: like what are we doing here? And then Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: was like thank you, thank you, thank you. I mean
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  Speaker 2: they were they were like, we really appreciate you opening
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  Speaker 2: the door, and they just absolutely dominated that third period
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  Speaker 2: because of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, rewind the Friday a little bit. Minnesota won
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  Speaker 1: the first game of that series, I mentioning earlier, three
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  Speaker 1: to one. Ella Huber scored twice, Abby Murphy scored Emily's
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  Speaker 1: unwinkle for Ohio State. The Minnesota transfer scored with just
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  Speaker 1: over two minutes ago to spoil Hannah Clark's shutout bid.
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  Speaker 1: So big for Minnesota to get out, I mean really,
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  Speaker 1: I guess you take the the thirty thousand foot view
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  Speaker 1: of this series. Big for both of those teams to
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  Speaker 1: get something out of it. Going sure, going into this
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  Speaker 1: where you know, like we're talking about that, you're probably
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  Speaker 1: going to see him again and it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: on an elimination game in either the you know, the
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  Speaker 1: the WHGA tournament or that in the Frozen Four. So
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  Speaker 1: you've got to you gotta kind of have to set
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  Speaker 1: some set a tone in there for for what the
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  Speaker 1: other team is going to expect when when that happens again,
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  Speaker 1: Yeah and.
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  Speaker 2: Again, sort of like a macroview. I thought this was
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  Speaker 2: a really good weekend for Hannah Clark, who is basically
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  Speaker 2: kind of stepped into the full time role in that
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  Speaker 2: for the Gophers and as a freshman like has had
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  Speaker 2: to figure it out. And like, obviously the seven goals
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  Speaker 2: aren't great, but again, four goals in five minutes when
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  Speaker 2: her team is five on three, Like, we're not We're
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  Speaker 2: not blaming the goalie in that situation, you know. I
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  Speaker 2: thought she had a really strong weekend and didn't she
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  Speaker 2: stepped up to the moment right like there was a
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  Speaker 2: lot going on and it was a high pressure situation
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  Speaker 2: and her team needed some points and she played really well.
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  Speaker 2: She I thought that Minnesota overall just handled what the
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  Speaker 2: Buckeyes are able to do really well.
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  Speaker 1: On Friday, Yeah, a couple hours north in Duluth. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what more Duluth could have done against Wisconsin
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  Speaker 1: last week. Scored first in both games, took a lead
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  Speaker 1: in the third period in the second game or one
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  Speaker 1: nothing lead, and came.
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  Speaker 2: Over with several posts the game.
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  Speaker 1: Right had a real good chance to extend that lead
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  Speaker 1: and came over with a couple of two to one losses,
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  Speaker 1: the first one on Friday in overtime. Kersons him scored
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  Speaker 1: that one after Marion Picard equalized for Wisconsin back in
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  Speaker 1: the first period. Gray Sidura had the goal for the
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  Speaker 1: Bulldogs to get that one started, and then the Badger
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  Speaker 1: has just you know, found a year in the third period,
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  Speaker 1: and like we've seen before when when they get into
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  Speaker 1: some trouble, they've most often been able to find a
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  Speaker 1: way to dig themselves out of it. Maybe not in
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  Speaker 1: a pretty fashion, but they they did that again. They
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  Speaker 1: got a rebound goal from Laila Edwards to tie it
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  Speaker 1: and Sarah Wasenwitz really nice shot from the right side,
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  Speaker 1: go ahead goal, kind of one of those you know,
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  Speaker 1: buzz past the ear hole of v Gascon who had
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  Speaker 1: I just had thought had a phenomenal series. Eighty some saves,
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  Speaker 1: eighty six saves in two games. Really tough luck. Couple
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  Speaker 1: of losses, but this is you know, de luth And
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  Speaker 1: now has lost six in a role which is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a tough way to go into February, and they'll in
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  Speaker 1: the stretch run here, but it's it's not for a
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  Speaker 1: lack of being in games and a lack of, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, pretty strong defense. It's they're just not getting
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  Speaker 1: the goals right now.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think what that series showcase to me was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we talk about that gap between the top
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  Speaker 2: team or the top couple of teams in that next year,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think it's a coincidence that two of
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  Speaker 2: Wisconsin's three goals came from third liners, right Like, that
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  Speaker 2: is what Wisconsin is getting and helping them win games,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what UMD is not doesn't have or isn't getting,
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  Speaker 2: or however you want to put it, like that depth
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  Speaker 2: that you has where UMD was shutting down everybody. They
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  Speaker 2: just I mean, I do think Wisconsin has played poorly
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  Speaker 2: their last three games. That isn't like what we've seen
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  Speaker 2: them be capable of. But that isn't happening in a vacuum.
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  Speaker 2: UMD forced them to play poorly as well. Does that
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  Speaker 2: make sense? And so you know, I want to say that, like,
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  Speaker 2: I think um D did an amazing job, as you said,
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  Speaker 2: iv Gascon and goal was great. I thought the defense
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  Speaker 2: was great, but yeah, the difference is being able to
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  Speaker 2: put a third liner out there to have her score
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  Speaker 2: a goal like Sarah wasn't which scored like that, that
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  Speaker 2: goal was ridiculous. And to know that you can put
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  Speaker 2: your third line out there and and the top two
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  Speaker 2: U m D lines are you know, gassed from shutting
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  Speaker 2: down those those literal international level Wisconsin players on the
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  Speaker 2: top two lines. Then then you have players that can
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  Speaker 2: go out there and do it, you know Loznige and
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  Speaker 2: Mariam Picard did, And I think, yeah, that's was a
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  Speaker 2: really prime example of when we talk about the difference
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  Speaker 2: between the number one team and the number four. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they're six now however you want to put it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the kind of tiers that that's where it was. And
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  Speaker 2: then Wisconsin, you know, being even being able to hang
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  Speaker 2: on to push it to overtime them in a you know,
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  Speaker 2: a three and three as a team that I'd pick
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  Speaker 2: probably ninety five or more percent of the time. The
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  Speaker 2: way that they passed, the way that they possessed, that's
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  Speaker 2: what three and three hockey is. And though it took
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  Speaker 2: them till the final minute to score that overtime, like
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  Speaker 2: they tell that overtime was a like a video to
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  Speaker 2: show it was like a masterpiece of what you're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to do on three and three hockey, they were able
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  Speaker 2: to like switch out one player at a time, substitute
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  Speaker 2: moved the puck around. And the other thing is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Kirstension scored on literally her third chance. She took the shot,
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  Speaker 2: got the rebound back, whiffed right, and then scored on
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  Speaker 2: the third chance. Like that's what are you gonna do,
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  Speaker 2: like in a situation like that. But also you can't
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  Speaker 2: a player can't have three chances in front of the net.
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  Speaker 1: So no, not there, but yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was both. It was just so many ups and
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  Speaker 2: downs and net in terms of like sort of micro
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  Speaker 2: focusing on some of the details like Wisconsin's three on
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  Speaker 2: three or their third line and stuff like that. And
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  Speaker 2: then yeah, of guess Gon has just been I think
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  Speaker 2: one of the most impressive goaltenders of in her two
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  Speaker 2: years thus far.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, before we depart the WCCH, I wanted to give
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  Speaker 1: a mention of Saint Thomas getting another victory against Saint
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  Speaker 1: Cloud's State two to one in overtime last Saturday. Laurence
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  Speaker 1: Stensley with the overtime goal thirty six seconds in, even
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  Speaker 1: though Saint Cloud hot shot Saint Thomas thirty three to eight,
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  Speaker 1: So I.
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  Speaker 2: Was going to point that out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a I mean, it's not a masterpiece. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: there's still a lot of work being done at Saint Thomas,
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  Speaker 1: but they've been getting some some pretty favorable results lately.
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  Speaker 1: That's you know, you're looking for building blocks in that program,
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  Speaker 1: and you're starting to see a few of them.
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  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, And I think just what it says
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  Speaker 2: about the character and the personality and the way that
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  Speaker 2: what those players have gone through, it would have been
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  Speaker 2: real easy, like to just be like this this season
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  Speaker 2: is a wash, right, we learned our lessons, things changed,
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  Speaker 2: like let's get back at it. And the fact that
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  Speaker 2: like and I'm talking you know, the off the ice stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but also just on the ice to get beat up
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  Speaker 2: like that over and over again so hard. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it just like to remind people that these three wins
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  Speaker 2: over rinked opponents came right after losing with eleven nothing
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  Speaker 2: eleven one to Wisconsin, so blake. Yeah, to take that
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  Speaker 2: beating and come back the next week and win two
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  Speaker 2: over EU Empt and then take another one this week
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  Speaker 2: over Saint Cloud. I just I'm just so impressed with
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  Speaker 2: those women and what they've been able to do mentally
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  Speaker 2: and what they've been able to put up with and
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  Speaker 2: what it says about who they are as people and
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  Speaker 2: who they are as players. Like just could not, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the least condescending possible way. Like I'm so proud
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  Speaker 2: of them. I'm just so like, I just feel like,
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  Speaker 2: what an amazing show they've put on for what it
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  Speaker 2: means to be a student athlete and really, you know,
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  Speaker 2: show up for each other and be a team.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's look at ECAC which. Wow. Enough again, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think we have enough time to get through all
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  Speaker 1: of this again, pork Clerkson. Clarkson is struggling to get
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  Speaker 1: results right, losing the Colgate two to one and overtime
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  Speaker 1: on Friday, losing the Cornell two to one on Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: And Rickson lost that because they gave up a goal
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  Speaker 2: in the final ten seconds of regulation. Yes, they were,
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  Speaker 2: they had a one to zero lead. They were fairly
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  Speaker 2: dominant in that game. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah. Hannah Murphy for Colgate fifty five saves in
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  Speaker 1: that overtime win on Friday.
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  Speaker 2: Which I believe was a career high for her.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Alexis Petford scoring a tiing goal nine seconds left
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  Speaker 1: for Colgate Kaya Malchino. I'm sorry if I'm pronouncing that
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  Speaker 1: wrong with the overtime goal, and let's let's not gloss
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  Speaker 1: over the fact that that's a big couple of points
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  Speaker 1: for Colgate because you know in the race for first,
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  Speaker 1: now we didn't we should mention because of Colgate needing overtime.
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  Speaker 1: I believe get its two wins right Sat Lawrence on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday in overtime, that and Cornell winning two games in
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  Speaker 1: regulation beating Saint Laura, It's and Clarkson. So the flip
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  Speaker 1: that pushes Cornell ahead of Colgate in the standings and
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  Speaker 1: wise so dual prong there of that happening for for
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  Speaker 1: both of those rankings.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is just such an interesting sort of like
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  Speaker 2: astis to the weight and a half, right, the weird
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  Speaker 2: scoring system the e c AC, because like Colgate won
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  Speaker 2: three of the last four games overtime, which is amazing,
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  Speaker 2: Like their their pr was their side with Colling Gum
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  Speaker 2: Cardiac Colgate, Like that's fair, right they have they pull
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  Speaker 2: up quite a bit off. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: like you can't be excited about those three overtime wins
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  Speaker 2: because you actually lost points or left points on that
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  Speaker 2: however you want.
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  Speaker 1: To say it dropped, right, if you want to look
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: at it that way, Yeah.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, But yeah, I mean good on coldgate there.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: You know, they are still pulling it out. But at
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: the same time, it's like, yeah, you you're leaving points
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: on the table in games that maybe you should have
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: been taking them. So, I you know, I'm not sure
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: what to say there. I think you have to go with, hey,
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: we could have lost, so we were we forced overtime
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: of nine seconds left, and you got to sort of
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: ride on that, that high in the momentum and confidence
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: that gives you, I think.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Well and riding highs and now and lows. Clarkson's really
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: on the roller coaster here, aren't they of you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: feeling like maybe they've they've pieced something together. But then
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you you you score two goals, you only give up
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: four goals on a weekend, and you lose a couple
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: of games, you only come away with one point. That's
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: a that's a rough.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Smart, rough, real far down in the paralyse.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, fifteen fourteen, I don't have it up in
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: front of me.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Fourteenth. Yeah, they're three and seven in the ten games
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: since the break. Yeah, including two to one losses, one
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: in overtime last weekend.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Like wow, So yeah, that's what I mean. Time's really
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: running out to make any kind of move there, And
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's honestly enough games left for
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: them to do without actually winning the ECAC playoff anyway
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: getting that many wins.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: That being said, they're the team that played like seventeen
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: overtime periods unless your postseason to get to the final four.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: So yeah, they're well versed in in Uh yeah, as
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: much as they have struggled, I certainly wouldn't want to
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: be facing them, you know, one and done game.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's obviously it's still talent there, and there's
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: still a group that's done really big things, players that
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: have done really big things as part of that group.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: So I think it would would be unwise to to
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: think they're going to be a quick out in the playoffs.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: But right now, I believe right now they would not
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: get a first round by and if I'm remembering it
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: right there and fifth in ECAC, remember, and obviously there's
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: there's stuff that can happen there. They are two and
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: a half points behind Cold PA for the last first
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: round by so you know, less than the game if
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: you want to look at it that way of difference
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: with six to play, I believe what we're looking at
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: in ECAC.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: You know, on the other side of it, they're also
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: only one and a half games ahead of Princeton.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: So yeah, the time is running out? Is really the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the the takeaway from me there? Yeah, all right, Hockey East. Uh,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: let's let's get into this right away with the recency.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Boston University on Tuesday night, just after we started record,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: just before we started recording, this finished off a three
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to two overtime win against Northeastern on the road at
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Matthew's Arena Alex Law With the overtime goal there, you
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: took a two to nothing lead, but Northeastern came back
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: with two goals in the third in the back half
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: of the third two to tie that game and send
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: it overtime. And so this extends Bu's lead to four
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: points at the top of Hockey East. So that's you know, that's.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: It's a huge lead at this point. I mean, I
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: know it's not, but like we've been, everybody's been on
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: top of each other, so that feels like a massive step.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and really now they're it's it's basically a
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: two team race for first place. What it looks like
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: be you at fifty points from twenty one games, Yukon
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: at forty six from twenty one games, and then Northeastern
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: at forty one from twenty two games. So really that's
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you know, a nine point gap the third place, but
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: with a game in hand. So I feel like, you know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: bu Yukon might be what it comes down here at
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the end end Lo and Behold, we're going to talk
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: about them in a little while because they've got a
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: pretty big game coming up.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I just want to say I'm working on an article.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I promise i'll show to here, but I'm working on
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: an article of like one player I think needs to
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: step up for each team, like the one sort of
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: not top scorer, and the person I wrote down for
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: BEU is Alex Lass. So the fact that she's the
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: one that turned around and scored today, like she's a
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: player that's having a little bit of a sophomore slump
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: and is capable of more so always nice when you
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: So it's the reassurance that, like, sometimes I know what
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about made me feel good to see that
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: she was the one that did that. But I think
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: if she can continue to sort of find her She's
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: still getting tons of shots and things like that, so
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I think she just she just needs to focus her
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: herself in a little bit and when that shot comes back,
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: they're they're gonna it's gonna give them a big boost.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Northeastern on the roller coaster here again too, kind of
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: like Clarkson. They lost at home to Vermont on Friday
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: one nothing shorthand shorty Yeah, actually cookovec with that one.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: But then Northeastern comes back wins at Yukon and a
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: time on Saturday for three to have a candele overtime
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: power play goal. So a lot of a lot of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: overtime or late decisions happening last week. And that's if
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: that's if that's the way things are gonna be all
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: of February, I'm here for it. So loved the late
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: game drama.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about I usually have multiple screens going,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: and it had turned Ohio State Minnesota off because it
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: had gotten to six three, and I believe I turned
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: on I turned on one of either Clarkson or Colgate,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and then in the meantime the other one got dramatic,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and I was like, like there was too much happening
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: at once. I'm still I need I need these more
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: staggered again and then they all go to intermission at
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the same time. But yeah, it was like I couldn't
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I could keep up with all the late game drama.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Kind of like we were talking about with an ECAC
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: with clarks and Boston College had a rough goal of
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: it and paid for it in the pairwise lost to
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Be You on Friday three to two, Riley Walsh for
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the U, scoring with nine to twenty left to break
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: it to two tie, and then BC loses to Merrimack
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: five to three on Saturday. Merrimack jumped out to a
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: three to nothing lead. BC kept cutting into it and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: maybe kind of made it look like, Okay, they're gonna
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: make a run at this year. But Merrimack was able
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: to kind of just keep and extend that one goal
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: lead to two a few times and never let BC
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: to get back even So, yeah, BC now down to
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: fifteen in the pair wise, and that's like we're talking
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: about with Clarkson. That's gonna be tough with just a
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: number of games left to make a charge out of
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: that large spot. There.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I that was a surprising outcome that are
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: watching that Merrimack and BC game, and Merrimack, man, they
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: came out firing. It was like BC didn't quite wake
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: up and by the time they realized they were in
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the game, the hole was too deep. And kudos to
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Merrimack for that. I just I, you know how I
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: feel about that the hockey easton in PC, maybe in particular,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: but it's just like I don't I don't understand. I
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: don't understand sometimes and so I I just it's been
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: fascinating to watch. But yeah, none of these teams have
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: grabbed the opportunity. And it's awesome that the parody's there
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: and they're they're sort of all punching at each other.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But it feels like, finally be you as the one
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: that's that's maybe separating a little bit.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Ye. I want to check in on New How, which
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: had a little bit of a change. At the top.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: We've been talking about how Long Island and Sacred Heart
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: have basically been running parallel with each other here and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: in a dead heat for first place, but that changed
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: a little bit over the weekend. Long Island needed overtime
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to beat Saint Michael's twice on the road, and Sacred
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Heart won both of its games home and home with
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: assumption in regulation. So that gives Sacred Heart a two
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: point lead in knew how with three weeks left in
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the season, so maybe there's a bit of a of
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a move happening. There obviously six games left, so that
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: can change. If you know, when we just talk about
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: having to go to overtime costing you even if you
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: win the game in overtime, Uh, that that introduces introduces
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: such a different dynamic of what that means when you're
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: in this close of a race.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean tech Lau has one more win, but
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: has more of the overtime games. You know, so like
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Sacred Hearts win percentage just just slightly higher. But it's
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: it's fascinating sort of pulling out their stats, like they've
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: got almost similar goals four goals against when lost high
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: like just all of it. Those two teams look look
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: like carbon copies except for when you you you kind
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: of stretch out those into seeing shootout wins, overtime win,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: overtime loss. And also just shout out Saint Michaels who
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: has three wins all year for really pushing on lu.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I kind of felt like similarly you said to Unda,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what else they could have done in
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: that game, but it's yeah, they definitely threw a little
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: bit of divention plans for l a U.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. In Atlantic Hockey, Penn State is on the verge
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: of wrapping up the conference championship after a five nothing,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: five to two sweep at Robert Morris. Penn State up
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: ten points with four games left, and they host second
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: place Mercyhurst on Friday and Saturday, so they can clinch
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the regular season title with basically the magic numbers one
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: point of so if if they get one, that takes
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: away you know, one that the mercy Hurst can get,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and so that would be enough of a gap there
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: to to wrap that up. I don't think that's any
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: surprise to you know, it's been walking this all season,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and State's been kind of coasting along towards this point.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they don't. They don't have a regular regulation
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: loss in divisional conference play, so they have they've done
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: what they needed to do. You know, they have a
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: couple of overtime games, but yeah, they've forty five points
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: is basically a perfect season. You know, as close as
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: we've seen in several years in that conference play. So,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: you know, kudos to them. They've sort of set their
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: course and done everything they needed to do in the process.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: All Right, that's our look back at last week. Later
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: in the show, we'll talk bracketology, we're talking, we'll talk
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: about what's coming up in the coming weekend. But when
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: we return on the podcast, we'll talk a little bit
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: about feasibility studies and Michigan. Stay tuned, Welcome back to
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Todd Malsky and Nicole Hasey here with you.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about something that's been in
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: the works for a little bit more than a year now.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: I think the University of Michigan started a feasibility study
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: about what it would take to bring a women's hockey
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: program to the university. Uh, it was it was launched
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: that there was a lot of, you know, talk at
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: a Board of Regents meeting. Diane Ilitch, whose family owns
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the Detroit Red Wings, is a member of the Board
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: of Regents, and she was really pushing for this to happen.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: And the feasibility study was done as it's been done
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: at Delaware, as it's been done at a number of
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: schools that have looked into adding programs, and this one
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: was reported on this week by Ryan zukemlive dot com
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: through a public records request got the the report and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: it there's some interesting things in it. I guess that
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: there are three options that were given. But before we
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: get to that that they they say that running a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Division one program at Michigan would cost four and a
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: half million dollars and expenses per year with a revenue
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: base of about four hundred thousand dollars a year. They'd
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: have to update yost arena and adding locker room or
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: build a new facility, and that the costs there obviously
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: pretty high and getting higher every day, and who knows
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: what cost of construction will be going forward. But those
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: three options were essentially if they want to create a
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: women's hockey program, one would be it would be the
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: financial responsibility of the athletic department. Two would be the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: university itself could subsidize it. Or three you could get
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: a large set of donations from the community to basically
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: pay for that essentially four million dollars that you need
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: a year to do it. I was chatting with Nicole
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: about this earlier. This week, and I don't think either
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: of us was surprised to see that that's what they
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: came up with in terms of recommendations going forward, and
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: that leaning really probably towards that third option of the
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: you know, hey, if people want this program, here's our
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: bank account, here's our VENMO uh number. Hit us up there.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the size is right.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. My eye roll at this, like what the feasibility
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: study came up with, and like, like, first of all,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: breaking news, college athletics are expensive, and but like this
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: particles starts by telling us that women's talk you would
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: become one of the most expensive sports at the university.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, what's the difference between that
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: and the men talking program and basketball and football? I
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: mean it's for zero point five million a lot. Yes, Also,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: what did you just spend to improve your football stadium?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So like there, to me, there's always that relativity, and
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I just it feels to me like if if they
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: weren't blaming you know, the possible house settlement or something
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: like that, if we would have done this study four
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: years ago, like there would have just been something else
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: to blame. It does feel like and I don't I
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: don't think like that. The people that help do the
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: visibility study necessarily had but ative you know, slant to
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: this going in. But all of this felt like, of course,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: this is what this says. Like first of all, like
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I said, things are expensive, and second of all, Michigan
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: just so clearly is not interested or was she inclined
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: to make this change. You know, they sort of had
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: their hand forced when it became a story, when you
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: know their women's club team has sort of forced this discussion.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: So it just feels like inevitable to be like a
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: lot of excuses, And in the end, what we did
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: is spend a year talking about this and the answer
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: is that somebody needs to donate a lot of money.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And while I appreciate that Dianelitch has been absolutely vocal
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: and pushing for this, she also could write the check
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: and fix this tomorrow. So I'm sort of like, did
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: we really spend several months and go through all of
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: this and feasible and like to come to the answer
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: that somebody, and by somebody we all know that they
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: mean Dianelige just needs to donate the money. Like I
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: could have told you that a very long time ago.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: So yeah, the big sigh and kind of an eye roll.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: And I just like, Michigan spends so much money on athletics,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: and people say, you know, they do. Their athletic department
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: is operating without institutional subsidies, so like the athletic tar
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Barn is self contained and so that money doesn't come
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: from other funding within the university. But yeah, I don't know.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: It's always eye rolling to me when it's like, we
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: can't do something like this because it costs money, but
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: you know what kind of money is spent on things
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: elsewhere And like yost is you know, a historic arena,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: but also is very limited, and so like, gee, I'm
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: shocked that we would have to do, you know, facility upgrade.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: It's just like, well, yes, I'm sorry that this isn't
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: going to be really easy. You all had chances to
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: do some of this stuff in the past, and it
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: might have been easier then, but we're here now and
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: this is what it is. So I yeah, I don't
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: mean to be super flippant, but I also I'm just like,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: these are all people with lots of money talking about
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: like chump change to them, and I just I don't know.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I read this and I just I didn't have. It's like,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know why I read this if it's I'm asidoid.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: If I had, like I knew what it was gonna say.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: I said it to Todd and it just was like, well,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: you know, here we are, sucker.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: So I mean, I do wonder whether the conversation would
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: be any different if you could separate out the the
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: business structure of where college athletics is right now and
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: what it's what's happening to it, because I mean, that's
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: such such an elephant in the room when you talk
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: about any push to add programs, any program uh to
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: any university right any major college university. I just I
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: don't know that you can, you know, really commit too
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: much right now knowing that you don't. Everyone's waiting on
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: this settlement, the House settlement to be in April, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and you know, you read stuff every day of like,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: well should we really be counting on that, because there's
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of people who have raised some pretty good
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: objections to it. And if that doesn't go through, holy cow,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: there's been a lot of work done that's going to
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: have to be suddenly reversed or changed or altered in
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: some way. You know, torn up and done over again
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: in a matter of weeks or you know whatever it's
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: going to be at that point if you're looking at
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: next season. But without that, and if we were talking
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: about this ten years ago, I wonder whether there would
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: be more of an appetite to look at this as
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: a yes, it's it's going to lose money. I mean,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: it's it's as a business decision. It would be a
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: bad business decision if you look at it that way
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: in terms.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Of what college sports are exactly.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: If you're looking strictly in terms of men's and women's
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: let's be clear, we've got these this number of programs.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: We only bring in revenue from two of them, three
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: of them. Whatever it is at various schools, football and
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: men's basketball usually, I mean obviously there have been some
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: that have have have gotten there.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: For shockingly and women's hockey or women's basketball and giving
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: it better, you know, better production and putting it in
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: front of people. It's almost like you can sell out
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: your building. Same with volleyball, right And.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I just don't know that Michigan should be a place
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: where that is a discussion with hockey, if there is
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: one other than you know, probably Minnesota in the United States,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: you think of Michigan in terms of number of hockey
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you know, programs and hockey players there are, and on
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the men's and women's side, boys and girls, it's it's, uh,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about it before. It's it's unconscionable
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: that there's no women's hockey Division one program in that
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: state and that there hasn't been for how for many
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: years since Wayne State gave it up. I just don't
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: know short of you know, the illitches or someone coming
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: up with Terry Bagoula kind of money or Mullet family
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: kind of money at Arizona State to start their men's program,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I just don't see it. I don't see the the
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: buy in from from an I thought department, no that
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: there's clearly no.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: They're sort of like, WHOA, we can't you know, there's
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: just a there's a God I am. I am not
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: prone to be forgiving in this, but there's just a
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: tone of this that is sort of like, well, we
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: did it, and we can't sorry, and that just feels
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: so obvious and inevitable. And like I said, I feel
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: like I can't believe we took several months and lots
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: of money to do the study when we all knew
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: this as well where we were going to end up,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Like Michigan is really sort of dragged their their heels
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: on this, and and I think, you know, there isn't there.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a tendor in the athletic department
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: of like excitement for this possibility. I think nobody loves
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: that their hands were were sort of pushed on this
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: and that they like this was forced to become a
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: larger conversation because of public discussion, basically because because there
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: was uproar about it, and like there have been plenty
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: of you know, men's Michigan hockey alum that have been
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: involved in pushing for this, And I mean, I do
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: think that there is probably they can probably do a
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: decent amount of philanthropic fundraising. But yeah, again I don't
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: don't mean to dismiss that like this is big time money,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: but also like it this can't. It isn't a business decision,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: and most of college athletics aren't a business decision, and
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: framing it as a business decision, it's frustrating to me.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And and as much as I agree that you can't
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: because of where we are in February of twenty twenty five.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of actenuating circumstances. But I also feel
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: like this is a discussion that should have happened before,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: and should have happened before that was an issue. And
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: so the fact that you dragged your heels and now
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: we're having it in you know, in the shadow of
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: a bigger NCAA conversation, not my problem. Just got how
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I feel about it. And again that's that is flipid,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: I know, but I just am sort of like, well,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: like that's that's then's the breaks because you didn't do
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: this before when you should have been And so yeah,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I just the sidhe the I roll. I just I
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: don't know. I think it's just silly to have to
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: be in this position and to act like, well, we
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: did a feasibility study and it's just not feasible, like
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: is it not?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I just I mean, I would argue though that I
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: think everything in college sports right now is a business
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: decision because and for maybe not always for the best reasons,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: but it's kind of going to a point where athletic departments,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the big athletic departments are saying, well, look what you
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: made us do you know with the with the settlement
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and look at what the athletes made us do, and.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: That here we have to pay for labor.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Annoys me of right that look, if if you're making
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: what's fair into a well, boy, you're gonna have to
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: pay so much more for your tickets or.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Wow, you know that we can't cut into our profits.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Have to become self sustaining because look what the athletes
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: are demanding of us. Now that's.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Down a whole other tangent. We could have the discussion
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: of of amateur athletics, right, like they have to be amateurs,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: you know, on these old ideals.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: But also yeah, and and really it comes down to,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: you know, go back to the US Olympic Committee profiting
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of all of college labor for how many years and exactly.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, that's a whole tangent, right, but.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: It really does go into a discussion two of for
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: non revenue sports. And I don't love that term, but
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: that's that's the reality of what it is. I feel
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: like there's there's a major push coming from big athletic
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: departments to say, well, look, we've put put in the
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: bill for this for a long time. It's now it's
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: time for people who are dedicated to it and really
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: want to see these teams thrive and succeed to become
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: more involved in paying for it. I don't love it,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: but I feel like that's the way it's going. And
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a pretty major change in
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of big athletic departments over the next five
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: or ten years. And I hope people are ready for that.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's got there's gonna be a breaking point. But
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I just whether we're talking athletics or bigger business, like
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the the the part where it keeps getting put back
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: on sort of every day people, is is a problem, right,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Like profit numbers, profit margins continue to grow or at
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: least not shrink, and the universities are all not operating
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: at a loss. Right, Like specific things maybe, but overall,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: like there's there's continues to be money, money to be made.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: The NCAA sticks to this nonprofit thing, and I just
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: it's all so silly and so contradictory. And I don't know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I you know, we don't because we're we're we're we
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: stay at our lane here. But like you look at
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: you know, football players, it's dying and you know, getting
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: sick and ct and all of the things. Like I
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: don't don't blame them for wanting to be compensated for
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: their labor and for wanting to, you know, sort of
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: ensure ensure their future because they're they're quite literally every
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: your college football players are dying on the practice field,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: you know. And it's just like, but we're going to
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: talk about like they don't they aren't owed anything, and
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: it's yeah, I I am. You do a lot more
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: work on sort of the the economics and the social stuff,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: and I know, I kind of take an idealized, flippant
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: stance on it, so I'm not I fully know that
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well ignore that part and just you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: ideally it should be this, but yeah, I don't know.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: It's it's all up in the air. And I also,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: I think part of me is sort of impatient because
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: there was stuff that was in the works with NCAA
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: and all this sort of stuff prior to COVID, and
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: then it was like, Okay, well we all got pushed
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: back several years because of COVID, and now it's been like, well,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the NCAA is going to reorg, so we have to wait.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, we saw the wha want to not want
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: to get a new commissioner and like not want to
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: move forward because things might change, and like at some point,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: now we're talking about being stagnant for five years waiting
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: for things to change, you know what I'm saying, And like,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: at some point we can't be like, well, something might
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: happen in the future. I don't know. I both understand universities,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: like because the implications of what's going to happen are huge,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: But I also think that, you know, it'd be nice
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: if universities didn't look at it like, well, that just
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: means we're gonna have to cut a bunch of athletics
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: because our profits can't go down right.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, in the end, that's really what it's. You know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: that's what speaks when you're talking about people who are
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: looking at the bottom line, and that's that's tough to overcome.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: So but we will keep an eye on that what
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: happens at Michigan and bring you whatever developments may they
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: come over the next couple of years, you know what
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: we're talking about here. But that's deserves a little bit
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: more more scrutiny and some more questions to be asked.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Of you know where, what what does this mean?
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: And how does the athletic department.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: It doesn't exist in a vacuum, right, how much bigger conversation?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And how does the community that would be willing to
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: support that react to it? And can they pull together
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: enough money to do that? These are things.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things on this that I'd love
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: sort of a breakdown on is like the four point
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: five million a year. Is that like subsidizing out the
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: cost of the rink to get that high? Because that
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: feels like a really high number.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: That feels honestly like what I can't think off the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: top of my head of what Wisconsin and Minnesota and
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: how states spend. But it's it's not far away from that,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: so I think there would be some some facility costs
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: in there too. Yeah, but yeah, it's it's it's expensive
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: to uh oh.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: For sure thinking about like, I do not think that's
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: close to it. Robert Morris had to raised to keep
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: their program going, So it's trying to figure out. But again,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: bigger university, more travel like the AHA allows you to
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: be closer.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I was taking all that, but those numbers felt really different.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: So I was just curious.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I do wonder whether they're talking about a full scholarship
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: twenty six player roster too and given four point five million,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: or if you're talking about eighteen scholarships as is current so.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: And then that's not that's is then that's not that's
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: not costs and like someone needs to lay down four
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: point five million dollars you know what I'm saying, like
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: scholarship money.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Well, some that money comes from somewhere. I mean, some
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: say that the university doesn't, so it's coming from someone somewhere. So,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: but yeah, we could go on and on about this.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I want to because we have so many things to
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: talk about this.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Sorry. Yes, for the record, I am mad and disappointed.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Check I read that and immediately sent it to you.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I just was like, yeah, well let's I mean, this
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: next topic came to us via Twitter at the Adam
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Slaven's uh sent us question, can y' all talk about what,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: if any is Nil's impact in the women's hockey space,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: and he offered an example of you know, Minnesota, Wisconsin
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: O House say, prying a player away from another school.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: I don't really want to mention that the player of
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the school for uh, you know, reasons of you know,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: not singling anyone out, but I do wonder what your
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: thoughts on are on where this might enter or where
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: or when this might enter the women's hockey space in
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: terms of you know, player movement and bringing players in
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: and by having giving them an IL money. I mean
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: we've seen where there have been NIL deals for you know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: players that have you know, apparel lines and things like that.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is more like university collective style money.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Talking, right, It's like the money for you to play here, right, Yeah.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I've had some anecdotal evidence kind
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: of not really evidence even of people talking about that.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: In the w c h A, there has been some
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: player movement essentially, you know, because there's an eighteen scholarship limit.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: There was a player that wanted to move to another school,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: but there wasn't a scholarship available. Well, an IL money
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: could cover that, cover the two cover you know, the
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: cost of that, so that you know, became an over
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and above the eighteen scholarship kind of thing. Isn't necessarily
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: the same kind of ANIL that we're talking about in
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: basketball and football, not at all, but where no, you know,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: people are walking away with hundreds of thousands of dollars
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: just play just to show up, right.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: We're talking about I mean, there have been stories recently
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: of some of the basketball players that transferred right where
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, they told me off the bat, I'd
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: get X thousand dollars just for like making the transfer, right.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's a a a pretty healthy
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: segment of the coaching community in women's hockey that doesn't
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: really want to play that game as long as it
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to, And I just I think it's it's
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: going to become something at some point.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that feels more idealized than me and
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: you could not want to, but like reality says, right.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: If as long as it just takes your you know,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: your rivals have become a little more successful than you
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: for that to become a well how far are they living?
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got my principles on that one.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I you know, as we you know,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: as we see the coaching community become a little you know,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: the turnover, you know, get a little younger as in
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: the next you know, five and ten years, twenty years,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: it's it's gonna look a lot different than it does now.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that maybe means there are more
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: people willing to to get involved in that, and they go,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, because you're talking about something that these
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: coaches are gonna have to go out and make the
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: case for themselves and do a lot of the money
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: fund a lot of the fundraising themselves, because if you're
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: talking about collectives at these schools, women's hockey, you know,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: like it or not, probably is not on the.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Top of getting all of that, yeah.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Right, and or just even attention in terms of you know,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: having events to raise that kind of money that can
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: go to players.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I think it's a privilege that
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: there are programs that that can be idealized about that
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: or feeling like they don't need to like their their reputation,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: their facilities, their lady to give scholarships is enough, like
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: and I do I think we're at a point right Like,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: if you're asking me right now today, I don't think
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: that that money that the money in play in NIL
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: in women's hockey is big enough to really have that conversation.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, yes, that's the actress, right, I would
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: say the secondarily, and I this is anecdotal, but it
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: costs a lot of money to be an elite women's
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: hockey player, maybe even more so than men's because so
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: many of them are forced to go to prep schools
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: in order to play at a high level and be seen.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: You know, we're still at a point where many of
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: these players grew up playing in boys programs like girls
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: hockey and development is still on the rise, and only
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: in specific places, namely Minnesota. Are you like in a
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: position where you can go to a public high school
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: and still you know, come out an elite women's hockey player.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: And so I do wonder, how like what the tipping
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: point is there in terms of I think that most
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: women's college hockey players are financially stable, set like I
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: don't I don't want to make any assumptions, and I'm
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: not saying it's everybody, but I think I think it's
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: you're talking a different demographic of student athlete. Then it's
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: you know, largely playing football or largely playing some of
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: the other sports. So do I think that's everybody? No?
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Do I think that there you know, there will be
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: points where where there are players that are looking for that. Absolutely,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: But I do think too that's just has to be
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: part of the discussion is largely players are picking to
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: play where they want to play, and they don't much
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: have to worry about the financial implications of that.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things that keep in mind in
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: women's talking with NIL is that a lot of the
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: you know, or some of the top players are not
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: American and uh, when you're here in school, you're on
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: a very specific kind of visa that doesn't allow you
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: to make money through and I most NIL deals. There's
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: passive deals like having your face on a shirt. You
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: can make money from that. But so that that adds
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: a level of complexity too. As we see more and
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: more players coming here from not only from Canada, but
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: from Europe to to play that that's a different challenge.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Now that could change obviously as as uh, you know,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: this whole environment changes over the next couple of years,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: But as of now, I think that's a something to
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: keep an eye on too. If if you're from the
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: US and you're here and you're you're playing in the US,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: you got no problem making not NIL money from if
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: you're from Canada or from Europe, it's it's a little
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: bit more of a challenge and you can't really expect uh,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: to get that kind of you know, marketing deal or
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: anything like that.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I wonder in terms of just like
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: team cohesion in the locker room, like you, it would
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: be very difficult to be, you know, ensuring that your
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: American born players are making a ton of money. Well
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: like half your squad is not, So the dynamic of
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: that is really interesting. But yeah, I not just money wise,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I mean just most players at this point, most elite level.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: When we're talking, and like the question was supposed to us,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: like one elite player going from one program to another.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Those players chose their programs for a reason. They had
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: opportunities to go to any one of those top tier
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: programs and chose the one that they did for a reason. Now,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: coaching changes different dynamics, Like there are reasons people transfer,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: But in terms of like just picking a player and
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: being like, well, do you want to come here now
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: when you didn't want to a couple of years ago,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: I think is pretty unlikely. Regardless of the conversation we're
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: having about and ilex, except do you agree with that?
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I but I do think
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: that you can't necessarily say that for everyone. I don't
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: know these are all generalizations or sure, that's a very
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: individual discussion of like what's what's my priority here?
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Why did you choose where you chose?
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Right? Who? I feel like I need to play in
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: a different place to you know, now that we're talking
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: about the p DUB to get noticed for my future,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: to have a chance of continuing to play here in
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: North America, that becomes a discussion. And maybe it's a
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: different discussion than it was two years.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Ago, for sure. And a player that is better at
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: twenty two than they were when they were recruited at
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: sixteen is a whole separate like dynamic to this. And
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: like again I the specific question who was about like
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: a very elite player, It's not like their options are
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: better now than they were a few years ago, Like
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: that person was e lead then too, So that is
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: sort of the baseline we're talking about here. But Yeah,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I don't have a huge problem with the transfer portal.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I don't. I think it's inevitable and much less the
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: nil conversation like coaches that don't want to deal with
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: it are, you know, they're at a detriment at this point.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: I do think students like get to have some agency
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: and that you don't have to be stuck with the
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: decision you made when you were sixteen, and things just change,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: whether it's team dynamics, whether it's coaching. There's a whole
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: lot of reasons. And then you know, the COVID year
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: changed a bunch of that too, and it was players
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: that like if you were at an Ivy League school
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: and you couldn't play a fifth year there, then you
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: had to go find other opportunities. And I think that's
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: really important too. I mean, like you were talking to
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: p WHL and you and I've talked about this a
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: little bit, but like one of the standouts this year
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: has been Dominique Petrie with the Frost And Dominique was
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: at Harvard and then moved to Clarkson and and I
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: would argue sort of played her way into that that
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: opportunity postseason. Didn't have as much of the standout and
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: had injuries and things at Harvard, but but really shown
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: at Clerks and and sort of really came into her
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: own And so you know, the transfer in that ability
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: to play that extra year, you know, made a complete
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: difference in it's sort of her post college options. So
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think she's the only ones. Just I just
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: listened to a podcast with her on it today, so
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: she was at the top of my mind.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Think the transfer portal and people moving and all that stuff.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think we can count out an
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I l but I don't. To me right now, it's
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: not a super significant player. And what is happening transfer
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: wise and like why players are moving from one school
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: to another. But that's mostly sort of just my anecdotal
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: from talking to student athletes and being around I don't
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: I don't have stats on that. I don't think you
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: do either.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's it's it's all a somewhat mysterious part
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: of the game right now. So and I don't know
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: how that changes.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Or no, And I assume if we had this conversation year,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: it would change. Like I think it's a it's a
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: constantly evolving thing we're looking at right now. And like
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: you said, it's it's a bit mysterious too. Like I
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: don't really love going out to nineteen year olds and
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: be like, tell me about the money you're making, you know,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: So I don't really think that's super appropriate. And so
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: it you know, we're all learning in this sort of
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: new environment, and you know, it's different for me as
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: a Sofa Bloyd freelancer versus like you know, if some
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: it's just it's all different sort of approaches and what
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: you're looking to get out of your story is I guess.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: But at this moment, I think, you know, we anecdotally
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: know what we can know from being around the players,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: and we're we're learning as we go, and I think
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: that both the transfer market and NIL and and the
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: way that the NCAA is changing, all of those things
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: are going to affect it. But yeah, at the moment,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I don't see. I think it's much more likely that
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: being in a national team locker room with a bunch
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: of girls from one school might influence who go you know,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: and the same at like you eighteens, if you're uncommitted,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: you eighteen, and several girls in the room are sharing
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: why they love their like I think those things are
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: much more likely to influence whether someone's going to where
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: someone's going to commit, or whether they might want to transfer.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, we can talk about that two for hours, but
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap that one up. We're going to take
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: a break when we come back bracketology and then look
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: ahead at what's coming this week.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Stay with us on the podcast. Welcome back to the podcast.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Todd Molusky and Nicole Hase here with you to wrap
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: up this week quick look at what the pairwise rankings
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: look like in a bracketology. The top four seeds as
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: it stands right now, Wisconsin and one as they've been
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: for most of the season, Ohio State two, Minnesota three,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Cornell four this week after moving ahead of Colgate after
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: we like we discussed earlier, Colgate needing overtime to win
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: a couple of games where Cornell won in regulation. So
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: that means again the five and the four are gonna
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: play each other regardless of conference affiliations. So both of
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: these are ECAC teams Cornell at four, Colgate at five,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: but the committee has said they want those two teams
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: playing each other regardless, so that one's locked in. The
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: rest of it might get changed a little bit because
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: the way it would set up with the eight versus nine,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: that would be Saint Lawrence and Quinnipiac, which shouldn't be
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: allowed to happen. So there's a fairly simple trade there.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I moved the nine Quinnipiac to or traded them with
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: the ten BU, so that would be eight Saint Lawrence
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: versus ten DU at number one Wisconsin, and then seven
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Penn State versus nine Quinnipiac instead of ten at number
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: two Ohio State. The other regional being six Minnesota luth
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: against eleven Sacred Heart. Sacred Heart being in this week
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: as the proxy for the New HA champion, and then
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: that winner or that game being played at Minnesota winner
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: to play at the Gophers. So since last week we've
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: had Northeastern dropout, Quinnipiac move in, and then the switch
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: of New HA leaders meaning Long Island out, Sacred Heart
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: being in, and that change all leaves us with four
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: WHA teams for ECAC teams and then one each from
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Atlantic Hockey Hockey East and New HA. So getting interesting
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: as we get into February and get a little bit
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: closer to that selection Sunday in March. A lot to
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: look at. And this is moving, you know, every night,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: a place here and there and just changing things a little.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: But we're still in that the top four being pretty well,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: the top three being solid, and then the four and
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: the five kind of being in a trading off space
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: with each other. So it could be interesting there those
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: tee you know, Cornell and Colgate, you know, playing probably
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: again a few times a few times, but again in
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: the playoffs, potentially for what could be a home I
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: spot in the regional Yeah.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, considering we've only like really with you doing
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: this bracketology for a couple of weeks, like there's already
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: been quite a bit of changing. So it did feel,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: you know, a few weeks ago, like things were fairly subtled.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: So I am personally sort of surprised at how much
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: movement has already happened, and you know, teams moving up
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: and down. So yeah, it's it continues to be fascinating,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: and I feel like if you're not paying attention right now,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: like you're missing some great hockey and a lot of drama.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Let's look ahead this weekend and so there
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: are games between the top two teams in Atlanta Hockey
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Hockey East and WHA on the schedule this week. Let's
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: start in Hockey East. I guess where Yukon and bu
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: play Friday at Walter Brown Arena. It's, like we mentioned before,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: you now kind of in whatever qualifies as a driver's
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: seat in Hockey East. I guess that's it for them
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: four points up, but that can change real fast and
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: become a one point game or one point lead if
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Yukon is able to get a win on the road
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: on Friday.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and at this point, I like, I refused, I
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen. I not even going
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: to pretend to me. It's all sort of much must
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: watch TV at this point, right, because who the heck knows?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I like, we're used at I think, you know, there
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: have been some slight ups and downs, but we've quite
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: literally been talking about you since that first weekend. So
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: good on them for sort of you know, weathering all
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: of that and being in the driver's seat right now.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: And the more I look at it, uh, you know,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: this is really just the part one of Bu and
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Yukon because they what have they played before? They haven't
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: played before, They've got they closed the season with a
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: home and home series and so wow, that's uh.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: The drama for those of us that love you know,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: this is awesome scheduling. Thank you hockey whoever.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: The scriptwriters are doing a great job this season. In
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Atlanta Hockey Mercy Hearst at number eight Penn State Friday
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: and Saturday again, Penn State can wrap up the championship there,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: but Mercy heres also. So when you're looking at it
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: the way that the way that Atlantic Hockey does the playoffs,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: top two teams get a buy through the first round.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: So you know, even if Mercy Hers isn't catching up
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: to Penn State, hanging on the second place is a
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: pretty important part of it for for them too. So
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: that's a you know, an important point this weekend to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: try to get some points.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: I guess, yeah. I mean the chaos agent in me
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: is like I want Mercy Hears to take take the weekend,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: So we're carrying the drama on a little more. It's
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: probably delaying the inevitable. And if they weren't both home
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: games for for Penn State, I might be a little
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: more on board it happening. But yeah, I that's the
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: best part right now, I think is that like you
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: as like even when you're talking about Ecac, like Clarkson
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: you know, is trying to catch Kunopiac but also was
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: only one and a half points ahead of Princeton and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: so like we see the same thing here. I mean,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Mercyhurst has a gap to Syracuse, but like it's they
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: still have to they still have to mind themselves and
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: not only worry about what's happening above them. So that's
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: that's sort of the fun of it is. It's not
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: just you know, you're winning to try and gain ground,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: you also need to maintain the space you have.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, so if looking at the Syracuse Mercier's gap,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I like talking about, okay, is it nine points? Ten points?
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Nine points? Okay, Syracuse at on the road the rest
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: of the way here the next two weeks at Robert
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Morris this week, so you know, potentially some winnable games
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: there to close the gap if Mercier stumbles at Penn
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: State and then lo and behold, it's Syracuse Mercy Hears
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: on the final weekend for Atlantic Hockey play. So actually,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: God to come through, right, There's a lot to be
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: played for there when you get into the even past
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: the first place.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Right, Like, no offense to Orshurst, but like I feel
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: like I want to give Penn State the benefit of
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: the doubts since again they have not lost uh in
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: AHA regulation. But if Mercy Hurst, if Syracuse sweeps THEIRS
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: and Mercy Hurst loses THEIRS, that that that's a three
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: point gap on that final weekend.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Yep, and uh, that's.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: A huge difference in what you have to do to
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: get through the tournament.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Exactly. W c h A play this week number three
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: Minnesota at number one Wisconsin a border battle at Lebon
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Arena Saturday and Sunday.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: It's most likely this hit referee crew that was in
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Minneapolis last.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Weekend would be The Badgers also have a magic number
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: of one point to win the w c h A Championship.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: I think would very much like to do that on
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: home ice with the Gophers on the other side.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: Of the exactly. I think that would be a something
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: they would enjoy. Yes, And the Wisconsin has next week off,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: so I don't they They definitely don't want to leave
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: it to the last weekend and a trip at to
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Bimigi State. They want to get that hardware on their
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: home ice this weekend. And and and on the Minnesota side,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: you know that's a team that's also in need of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: some points too, and in need of you know, a
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: pair wise boost to to make sure they stay where
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: they are or you know, get past Ohio State.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Be a decidedly nice quality wind bonus for them.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Right, And so Minnesota is tied on forty eight points
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: with Ohio State in WHA play, but the Gophers have
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: two games in hand, so in reality, the Gophers are
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: looking fairly good for second place if they can get
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: something out of this weekend. And that's that's where the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: the intrigue for me lies is that you know, maybe
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: they're not going to go in and sweep at the on,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: but if they can get some points, if they can
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: get a win, if they can take a game in overtime,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: that puts them up ahead of Ohio State with a
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: I I'd say, based on how Wisconsin's played their last
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: few games and how the Gophers played against Ohio State,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: like that's it's certainly not a given that. Like I
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: feel like it's very likely that Minnesota will get at
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: least a couple of points this weekend, right right, Like
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: at least a point. Yeah, I don't based on what
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: we see. I don't foresee like a clean weekend sweep
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: in either direction, to be fair. And then I just
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: wanted to remind people the reason Wisconsin and Ohio State
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: have next week off is that's was the series they
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: would have played they were scheduled to play when they
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: decided to join the Frozen Confines and play at Wrigley Field.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: That is the series that sort of got pulled out
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: in replaced. So that's why both those teams have off
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: next week.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, it's us just kind of fascinating how this
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: is gonna layout between Ohio State Minnesota. Just going going
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: back to what we saw last weekend, it feels like
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: this is destined to be a Yeah, the trains are
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: on the same track here and yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: I'll be interested to that off week is is it?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: It can either be a blessing or a curse, right, Like,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: having time off at this part of the season, when
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: pretty much everybody's nursing something and bagged up could be great.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: But Wisconsin sort of notorious for not being great after
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: time off or even just on a Friday, like on
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: the first game of a weekend. So for them, I'm like,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: they do they want time off, but maybe that helps
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: them regroup after So yeah, that's just an interesting wrinkle
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: to like how both of those two tough teams sort
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: of handle that time off right there. But I think
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: big picture coaches and players would say having time off
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: leading into the final weekend of the series and the
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: season and knowing what the postseason looks like like being
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: able to rest and recoup is kind of massive.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's look at ECAC a couple of
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: kind of you know, I, you know, the whole it's
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: the way that they play, you know, with the travel partners. Uh,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: it's not a you know, a direct thing, but Quinnipiac
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: at Saint Lawrence on Friday, at Clarkson on Saturday, Princeton
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: at Clarkson Friday, at Saint Lawrence Saturday. Clarkson needs to
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: get back going. Saint Lawrence could could use a boost
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: after last weekend. Quinnipiac is is kind of in that
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: danger area of the pair wise of uh, you know,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: bumping down one knocks you out. A lot going on
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: in those couple of in those few games this weekend.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: And so those four teams are teams three, four, five,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: and six and create ec AC standings and are separated
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: by what a total of eight points. So yeah, that's
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: there's just the outcome of those games could shift the
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: E E c AC standings a lot. And and again
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: like maybe doesn't make a huge overall move to their
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: pair wise, but could make some moves to where they're
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: going to end up playing in the e SAC tournament,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: which is crucial to how you can like whether or
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: not you advance, right, So yeah, really interesting to me.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: It's it works out well that those those who are
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: playing each other this week.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the new l i U and Sacred Heart
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: both at home this weekend. L U gets Franklin Pierce,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Sacred Heart Saint Michael's as that chase for a title
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: ramps up and goes into the last couple of weeks.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Anything else you want to touch on before we wrap
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: this one.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Up, Well, I just if you're not scheduling some time
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: to watch women's college hockey this weekend, you're you're missing out.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: I just it has It's that's my my basic life
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: every week. But good lord, the last couple of weeks
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: have been so much fun and so dramatic, and I
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: don't foresee this week being any different.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: It is February, which means it's going to be exciting.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: So thanks again for joining us. We will talk to
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: you again next week. For Nicole Hasey, I'm Tod Luski.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the body best