Latest / Financial Survival Network / Exposing the AI Gold Rush - Marc Beckman #6249
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- 0:00Speaker 1: And if you could start to integrate the utility value
- 0:03Speaker 1: of AI into your business day, all of a sudden
- 0:07Speaker 1: it opens up and frees you in phenomenal ways, for example,
- 0:11Speaker 1: also having time to think about how to grow your
- 0:13Speaker 1: company in a better way. Right, it takes away some
- 0:15Speaker 1: of those monotonous tasks. I think it will also alter
- 0:18Speaker 1: I'm sure you agree. I'm curious what you think carry
- 0:20Speaker 1: it's going to alter the job landscape in the future.
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- 0:52Speaker 3: And welcome.
- 0:53Speaker 4: You are listening to and watching the Financial Survival Network.
- 0:56Speaker 4: I'm your host, Carrie Lutz. Well, that is the buzzword.
- 1:02Speaker 4: I mean, that is the biggest trend taking place now.
- 1:07Speaker 4: If you don't understand that, you will very shortly because
- 1:11Speaker 4: everything is going to change the way you do things,
- 1:14Speaker 4: the way you work. If you work at all in
- 1:17Speaker 4: the next eighteen months, you will not recognize where the
- 1:21Speaker 4: world is heading. You think it's happening, now, it's going
- 1:25Speaker 4: to happen so much faster because the pace of change
- 1:29Speaker 4: and acceptance is accelerating almost beyond our or your ability
- 1:35Speaker 4: as a human to comprehend and to actually see it.
- 1:40Speaker 4: And we've got an expert on the topic with us,
- 1:43Speaker 4: Mark Beckman. Mark, it's great to have you on the show.
- 1:47Speaker 4: You've got a book out some future day. You've written
- 1:52Speaker 4: a number of books, professor at NYU. We're really thrilled to.
- 1:57Speaker 3: Have you on the show.
- 1:58Speaker 4: So AI, I guess we should just start with a
- 2:03Speaker 4: definition of it, because I think Mark, that the definition
- 2:07Speaker 4: of AI has changed greatly over the years. We used
- 2:11Speaker 4: to call the emergence of AI big data, but we're
- 2:15Speaker 4: so past big data now.
- 2:17Speaker 3: How would you define AI?
- 2:18Speaker 1: Well, first, Kerry, thank you so much for having me
- 2:21Speaker 1: on your show. It's really great to meet you. It
- 2:23Speaker 1: seems like we have a lot in common, so that's cool.
- 2:26Speaker 1: I think that in rather than using like tech terms
- 2:30Speaker 1: and complicated definitions, what I'd like to do is speak
- 2:33Speaker 1: in plain English. And today there are really two great
- 2:38Speaker 1: ways that artificial intelligence can be used for people to
- 2:42Speaker 1: improve their career, improve their families and improve their communities.
- 2:47Speaker 1: The first part of AI is generative AI, where artificial
- 2:52Speaker 1: intelligence can be used effectively to create new content. So
- 2:57Speaker 1: think in terms of if you or anybody in your
- 2:59Speaker 1: audio wants to create a movie, create a beautiful visual
- 3:04Speaker 1: photorealistic image, write a song, write a speech. That's generative AI,
- 3:10Speaker 1: and it's really simple. People can text in what they're
- 3:13Speaker 1: looking to accomplish. For example, you know, I want to
- 3:16Speaker 1: create a gorgeous photograph in the spirit of Steven Spielberg
- 3:20Speaker 1: that features Kerrie and his Number one show, and then
- 3:25Speaker 1: AI will kick it off. It's just a simple text prompt.
- 3:28Speaker 1: That's the first piece. The second piece is really where
- 3:30Speaker 1: you started. Kerry like AI is so strong today in
- 3:34Speaker 1: many ways strongest as it relates to data analytics. It's
- 3:38Speaker 1: unlike anything before. But don't think in terms of hard
- 3:41Speaker 1: data for the people who are listening. Think in terms
- 3:44Speaker 1: of easy data where it can make your life easier.
- 3:49Speaker 1: So think in terms of if you want to compare
- 3:51Speaker 1: it to documents, if you want to take a look
- 3:54Speaker 1: at the contents of a transcript, if you want to
- 3:58Speaker 1: see the best way to sell a particular item, and
- 4:01Speaker 1: look at consumer purchasing habits. Artificial intelligence can be used
- 4:06Speaker 1: to basically scour that data and provide the user with
- 4:10Speaker 1: an output that's applicable in real time.
- 4:13Speaker 4: Okay, so, and it's the usefulness of this, right, I
- 4:18Speaker 4: look at it. I use it all the time now,
- 4:21Speaker 4: show notes for my interviews. I will use it to
- 4:24Speaker 4: generate the questions. When I'm dealing with corporate clients. I
- 4:30Speaker 4: will take their latest press release and then tell me
- 4:34Speaker 4: have it, summarize it, tell me what the pertinent parts
- 4:38Speaker 4: are the most important, and questions to ask in a
- 4:41Speaker 4: potential interview. And then once we've done the interview, I'll
- 4:45Speaker 4: have the AI transcribe it and then create show notes
- 4:49Speaker 4: from that and YouTube summaries and all that. The usefulness
- 4:54Speaker 4: of it, I look at it. It makes me like
- 4:57Speaker 4: ten x to one hundred x more effect than I
- 5:01Speaker 4: would be without it.
- 5:02Speaker 3: For sure.
- 5:03Speaker 1: There are several efficiencies that come into play through the
- 5:07Speaker 1: use of artificial intelligence, Kerry. When I talk about efficiencies,
- 5:10Speaker 1: I focus in on two areas. Number One, money, Suddenly
- 5:14Speaker 1: things could become a lot less expensive. So if you
- 5:17Speaker 1: want to use artificial intelligence to shoot an ad campaign,
- 5:20Speaker 1: to create a set design, to create original packaging design,
- 5:24Speaker 1: no longer do you need to hire that slick advertising
- 5:27Speaker 1: agency for a quarter of a million dollars. It really
- 5:30Speaker 1: does create amazing value for the user, and it's not
- 5:34Speaker 1: complicated to do. The other thing, as you're talking about
- 5:38Speaker 1: is time efficiency. So there are so many tasks that
- 5:42Speaker 1: all of us have in a day, and if you
- 5:45Speaker 1: could start to integrate the utility value of AI into
- 5:49Speaker 1: your business day, all of a sudden, it opens up
- 5:52Speaker 1: and frees you in phenomenal ways. For example, also having
- 5:55Speaker 1: time to think about how to grow your company in
- 5:57Speaker 1: a better way. Right, it takes away some of those
- 6:00Speaker 1: monotonous tasks. I think it will also alter I'm sure
- 6:03Speaker 1: you agree. I'm curious what you think carry it's going
- 6:05Speaker 1: to alter the job landscape in the future, Oh for sure,
- 6:09Speaker 1: for sure.
- 6:10Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 6:10Speaker 4: That concept though, of being able to become more effective
- 6:16Speaker 4: in everything you do. I find that so intriguing because
- 6:21Speaker 4: we all have our blocks.
- 6:23Speaker 3: We all have.
- 6:23Speaker 4: Things that you know that you've been programmed in, you're disorganized,
- 6:29Speaker 4: your procrastinator, all these things with AI, all those blocks
- 6:36Speaker 4: for me, Mark or God.
- 6:39Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree.
- 6:41Speaker 1: In my book, it's called, as you mentioned, some future day,
- 6:45Speaker 1: how AI is going to change everything I take it's
- 6:49Speaker 1: really built Kerry for like the beginner audience, those people
- 6:52Speaker 1: who are intellectual and curious. But I take them through
- 6:55Speaker 1: so many business sectors and show them if they're in
- 6:58Speaker 1: the creative industries like art, music, entertainment, if they're in finance,
- 7:04Speaker 1: which I know a lot of your audience is focused on,
- 7:06Speaker 1: if they're in military and they're thinking about new war
- 7:10Speaker 1: tools that they could use, like drones. In every chapter
- 7:14Speaker 1: of my book, I break down for the user what
- 7:17Speaker 1: kinds of tools they could use today. They literally list
- 7:20Speaker 1: all of the different tools that they could access today,
- 7:23Speaker 1: different apps, different brand names, etc. And how they want
- 7:26Speaker 1: to use it to improve or enhance let's say careers,
- 7:30Speaker 1: and those efficiencies are unlocked in a matter of moments
- 7:33Speaker 1: and it's easy to do. You had mentioned at the
- 7:35Speaker 1: opening of the show that I teach at NYU, which
- 7:38Speaker 1: is true and I'm proud of that. I was able
- 7:41Speaker 1: to have an entire class who is at the NBA level.
- 7:46Speaker 1: They don't have experience with regards to design. They were
- 7:49Speaker 1: able to use some of the tools that I provided
- 7:52Speaker 1: for them. They're all listed in the book to create
- 7:55Speaker 1: new logos, new brand names, primary and secondary packaging for
- 7:59Speaker 1: different items, cosmetics and even a whiskey and then to
- 8:03Speaker 1: stand up an ad campaign and they did it literally
- 8:06Speaker 1: in a matter of days. So this is a crew,
- 8:10Speaker 1: a class with no experience. They had zero experience. Somebody
- 8:13Speaker 1: like you who's using it already, you know you could
- 8:15Speaker 1: probably unlock the value in just a matter of minutes.
- 8:19Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I'm going to get the book because the
- 8:22Speaker 4: tools are coming out faster than I can keep up
- 8:26Speaker 4: with them. And like you were talking about not your
- 8:30Speaker 4: class being MBAs and not design people, I'm kind of
- 8:34Speaker 4: the same way recovering attorney more into the written word
- 8:39Speaker 4: than the visuals, and the ability to be able to
- 8:44Speaker 4: just do these things for me as being a very
- 8:49Speaker 4: kind of not lateral thinker, but a thinker, not a
- 8:54Speaker 4: creative type, really opens up unlocks new realms.
- 9:00Speaker 3: That's totally right. It's pretty exciting also.
- 9:02Speaker 1: And the other thing that we're seeing is value creation
- 9:07Speaker 1: and industries where dreamers can take advantage now and stand
- 9:12Speaker 1: up new businesses through the use of AI. So in
- 9:15Speaker 1: the book, I even look at like the medical industry
- 9:18Speaker 1: and highlight some of the advances that are coming in
- 9:22Speaker 1: another area that we never thought would be disrupted, would
- 9:24Speaker 1: be thinking in terms of doctors right where now we
- 9:28Speaker 1: can have a quicker and better diagnose of diagnosis of
- 9:31Speaker 1: disease with a tool like Google's aiming, we can have
- 9:36Speaker 1: recommendations from metahuman trained specialists in real time. We could
- 9:42Speaker 1: get on telemed and get a real answer from a
- 9:45Speaker 1: doctor that you'd like to meet with visa vai. I
- 9:49Speaker 1: know that sounds a little haunting and spooky, but they
- 9:51Speaker 1: do have the data and the information, and that could
- 9:54Speaker 1: eventually go all the way through I think the next
- 9:57Speaker 1: level where if it's you know, an illness that requires
- 10:02Speaker 1: some sort of a medication or a prescription, those medications
- 10:07Speaker 1: will be accessed quickly through the meta human doctor and
- 10:13Speaker 1: then it just delivered to your home.
- 10:15Speaker 4: Hey, the ability to really put every single medication that
- 10:20Speaker 4: you're taking all right and come up with every potential
- 10:24Speaker 4: side effect, and you know, it could potentially save lives.
- 10:30Speaker 4: One thing I'm concerned about though, is, you know, with
- 10:33Speaker 4: the ability to view everybody's bio online and they take
- 10:40Speaker 4: it with criminals and then you get the minority report
- 10:43Speaker 4: pre crime situation where I think we're going to reach
- 10:48Speaker 4: the point where AI will just know if you're going
- 10:50Speaker 4: to be a criminal or not now whether it can
- 10:53Speaker 4: do anything to stop it, to help you avoid that fate.
- 10:58Speaker 3: But we're coming to, aren't we.
- 11:00Speaker 1: Mark, I don't know, Kerry, like I hope that humanity
- 11:05Speaker 1: is better than creating like a thought police scenario. That's
- 11:10Speaker 1: definitely scary, but you know, I'm not sure. I think predicted.
- 11:14Speaker 1: The predictive nature of AI is real. One way that
- 11:17Speaker 1: we see that over and over again is with facial recognition.
- 11:21Speaker 1: Kerrie in communist China right now, they boast having the
- 11:25Speaker 1: strongest facial recognition software on the planet, and it's slowly
- 11:30Speaker 1: moving over to places like you know, where you are
- 11:32Speaker 1: in Florida, the Miami Police Department is quietly using facial
- 11:36Speaker 1: recognition software, and where I am in New York City
- 11:40Speaker 1: the same thing. So yeah, predictive, the predictive nature of AI,
- 11:45Speaker 1: coupled with your background and who you are, it might
- 11:49Speaker 1: become a little minority report. I hope the thought police
- 11:52Speaker 1: don't come.
- 11:54Speaker 4: Yeah, it is kind of frightening. God, do you remember
- 11:58Speaker 4: that show that was on TV as this is really
- 12:00Speaker 4: the last real drama TV show I ever watched, called
- 12:04Speaker 4: Person of Interest?
- 12:06Speaker 3: I do that was a great, a great show actually,
- 12:09Speaker 3: and it was really ahead of its time by a
- 12:11Speaker 3: little bit, wasn't it entirely? Entirely?
- 12:15Speaker 1: But this is where, like you had mentioned before, like
- 12:17Speaker 1: were you hinted towards it? Artificial intelligence is a tool, right.
- 12:21Speaker 1: AI isn't going to destroy the world. Humans destroy the world.
- 12:25Speaker 3: You might not. We don't need much help on that count,
- 12:30Speaker 3: that is for sure.
- 12:31Speaker 1: But like, look, guns don't shoot on their own, and
- 12:33Speaker 1: AI isn't going to launch a nuclear weapon without humans
- 12:37Speaker 1: controlling it. Algebra is not what we need to fear.
- 12:41Speaker 1: It's humans. So yes, granted, AI is going to stand
- 12:45Speaker 1: up in ways that are movie like with robots and
- 12:49Speaker 1: you know, new types of weapons and new types of
- 12:51Speaker 1: security system.
- 12:53Speaker 3: Yes, for sure.
- 12:55Speaker 1: AI is going to be the underpinning in every aspect
- 12:57Speaker 1: of society, for sure. But humans need to get grip
- 13:00Speaker 1: of themselves right now. Make sure that if they use this,
- 13:02Speaker 1: they use it responsibly, just the way that we would
- 13:04Speaker 1: apply to our own children.
- 13:06Speaker 4: I couldn't agree with you more. But the potential for
- 13:11Speaker 4: the benefits of it, you know, you combine that. So
- 13:15Speaker 4: one of the concept we talked about initially was combining
- 13:19Speaker 4: AI and crypto, and they just naturally fit together because
- 13:24Speaker 4: that ability with the blockchain to really you know, immutability
- 13:30Speaker 4: of the blockchain combined with AI, it's really going to
- 13:33Speaker 4: bring out changes.
- 13:34Speaker 1: Yeah, that's for sure, and I'm pretty bullish about it.
- 13:37Speaker 1: President Trump's new executive order surrounding both artificial and intelligence
- 13:42Speaker 1: and cryptocurrency sends a signal to the marketplace.
- 13:46Speaker 3: Predictably, these two.
- 13:48Speaker 1: New emerging technologies can become the biggest percentage growth categories
- 13:54Speaker 1: across all business sectors over the next four to five years.
- 13:57Speaker 1: Percentage growth, right, I think that's fair assumption. He's going
- 14:01Speaker 1: to really unlock American ingenuity. I know on Friday of
- 14:05Speaker 1: this week he has a round table surrounding cryptocurrency happening
- 14:10Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. But there's no doubt about it.
- 14:13Speaker 1: AI and cryptocurrency are connected, and you know, hopefully what
- 14:17Speaker 1: President Trump and his team are planning to do is
- 14:21Speaker 1: to put the United States back at the front, you know,
- 14:23Speaker 1: back at the forefront with both technologies where we can
- 14:27Speaker 1: attract investment dollars, reattract some of the best talent on
- 14:33Speaker 1: the market, and unlock American ingenuity to stand up new
- 14:36Speaker 1: businesses and tons of growth.
- 14:38Speaker 4: Yeah, don't you find it interesting? The guy is seventy
- 14:42Speaker 4: eight years old. All right, I'm sixty seven. I'm a techee.
- 14:46Speaker 4: I always have been my whole life. But he hasn't
- 14:49Speaker 4: been a techie per se. But you know, he's always
- 14:52Speaker 4: been open to new technologies to make money on. And
- 14:56Speaker 4: he's now leading the world in crypto giblie.
- 15:00Speaker 1: Right, that's for sure, Kerry.
- 15:03Speaker 3: But I believe it.
- 15:03Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it, the first campaign
- 15:06Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, he was groundbreaking through the use of technology.
- 15:11Speaker 1: I talk about this actually in my book as well,
- 15:13Speaker 1: where he leveraged So he was really truly the first
- 15:16Speaker 1: presidential candidate to leverage social media to the extent that
- 15:20Speaker 1: he did. And you know, one might argue, actually, I'm
- 15:23Speaker 1: really curious what you think carry I argue in my
- 15:25Speaker 1: book that at that moment in time, President Trump transformed
- 15:30Speaker 1: the way we as people take in content. He allowed
- 15:34Speaker 1: for us to become accustomed to and actually enjoy soundbites
- 15:40Speaker 1: of information visa vs. Social media, And since then everything
- 15:44Speaker 1: is gone, not just in politics, but everything has gone
- 15:47Speaker 1: that way. So I'm curious, do you would you give
- 15:50Speaker 1: him the credit? Or it's problematic, right, Like it's I mean,
- 15:55Speaker 1: he's he's transformed to the way we communicate.
- 15:59Speaker 4: Genius marketer, and being a marketer, you're always seizing on
- 16:03Speaker 4: new ways and new techniques to get your message out there.
- 16:08Speaker 4: I would say that the twenty sixteen campaign was as
- 16:14Speaker 4: consequential as the nineteen sixty Nixon Kennedy campaign, which really
- 16:19Speaker 4: was the first campaign that relied heavily on.
- 16:23Speaker 3: Television mass media. Maybe like the.
- 16:29Speaker 4: Roosevelt first campaign with the radio. You know, it is transitional,
- 16:35Speaker 4: and that twenty sixteen campaign was transitional, But the twenty
- 16:40Speaker 4: twenty four campaign even more so than the twenty sixteen campaign.
- 16:47Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I couldn't agree with you more. And
- 16:49Speaker 1: what I talk about in the book is this iron triangle.
- 16:52Speaker 1: I talk about this in business a lot, where the
- 16:54Speaker 1: Iron triangle consists of three emerging technologies Artificial intelligence, crypto, currency,
- 17:00Speaker 1: and social media.
- 17:01Speaker 3: But what's their value? Right?
- 17:03Speaker 1: So when you start to think about applying that to
- 17:05Speaker 1: your career or your business, the AI allows for content generation, right,
- 17:10Speaker 1: you could stand up a new business, visuals, digital assets, etc.
- 17:14Speaker 1: On the crypto side, you're giving the new business the
- 17:19Speaker 1: ability to be paid and to pay in real time
- 17:22Speaker 1: and the way that one might want to on a
- 17:25Speaker 1: global scale. And finally, on the social media piece. You're
- 17:29Speaker 1: permitted now to market or promote this new business in
- 17:33Speaker 1: ways that allow for you to compete with the legacy businesses.
- 17:37Speaker 1: So going back to I call it the age of imagination.
- 17:40Speaker 1: Think in terms of the creatives that want to use
- 17:44Speaker 1: artificial intelligence for you to create a new fashion brand,
- 17:49Speaker 1: create a new movie, a new book, a new song.
- 17:52Speaker 1: All of a sudden, when they couple that with superior
- 17:58Speaker 1: promotional work on social media at a right an advertising
- 18:04Speaker 1: industry and beyond, it could be pretty powerful.
- 18:06Speaker 4: Oh it's we're in a new world here. There's no
- 18:10Speaker 4: tech is about it. Hey, when you're when you're looking
- 18:15Speaker 4: at like somebody a student comes to you and says,
- 18:19Speaker 4: you know, I'm not sure what to do. I'm not
- 18:22Speaker 4: sure how to position myself for the future and what
- 18:27Speaker 4: I should be looking at.
- 18:29Speaker 3: What do you tell that person, Mark, Yeah, that's a
- 18:31Speaker 3: great question.
- 18:32Speaker 1: Oh, technology is the under paying all of gen a
- 18:38Speaker 1: minie leather bills. It permeates every of computer science and
- 18:44Speaker 1: engineering think in terms of marketing and content creation, gaming
- 18:48Speaker 1: and beyond. So for me, I think America will really
- 18:51Speaker 1: take a step forward if that next generation gets involved
- 18:55Speaker 1: at the core engineering. I think withiny engineering, it provides
- 19:01Speaker 1: American businesses with long term think about the guts. Like
- 19:04Speaker 1: Amazon really started because their infrastructure on the tech side
- 19:08Speaker 1: was superior.
- 19:09Speaker 3: To start, it wasn't really about a book company.
- 19:12Speaker 1: It was really the infrastructure that Bezo's created. And I'd
- 19:15Speaker 1: love to see Americans in college get into the engineering
- 19:19Speaker 1: side of technology to stand up superior products that regardless
- 19:24Speaker 1: of whether they're in fashion or sports, entertainment or beyond,
- 19:27Speaker 1: it's the infrastructure of those products that can outlast the
- 19:32Speaker 1: competition worldwide.
- 19:34Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, well, this is all fascinating. We're definitely
- 19:37Speaker 4: going to have you on again. You kind of remind me.
- 19:41Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember the name of.
- 19:43Speaker 3: The book.
- 19:45Speaker 4: From way back when I can't remember it now. It
- 19:50Speaker 4: was a seminal book on vision future casting. The book
- 19:57Speaker 4: goes back to like the sixties or seventies, but it
- 20:00Speaker 4: kind of reminds me of that, so I'll think of it.
- 20:05Speaker 4: It was like a book that everybody read at the time,
- 20:08Speaker 4: and you know, everything in it was wrong, but it
- 20:13Speaker 4: made you look at the future and think about how
- 20:16Speaker 4: things are going to be different. You know, if we
- 20:18Speaker 4: were having a conversation and we were both surfs on
- 20:22Speaker 4: the farm in the sixteen hundreds or the fourteen hundreds.
- 20:26Speaker 4: In Europe during the before the Renaissance, we wouldn't really
- 20:32Speaker 4: have any question because every day was just like the
- 20:35Speaker 4: day before, and tomorrow was going to be more of
- 20:38Speaker 4: the same. And yeah, you had seasons and you had
- 20:41Speaker 4: harvests and all that, but life was always the same.
- 20:46Speaker 4: We're at the point now where every day is going
- 20:48Speaker 4: to be different than the day before, and that's a
- 20:51Speaker 4: good thing.
- 20:53Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, Hey, just tell us where we find your work.
- 20:58Speaker 3: How we thank you, thank you so much.
- 21:00Speaker 1: So. The book is some future today how AI is
- 21:04Speaker 1: going to change everything. It's available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble,
- 21:10Speaker 1: target every major bookseller, and if people want to find
- 21:13Speaker 1: me on social media, it's at Mark Beckman m A
- 21:16Speaker 1: R C B E C K m A N at
- 21:19Speaker 1: Mark Beckman and.
- 21:20Speaker 4: We can find it wherever fine books used to be sold. Hey,
- 21:23Speaker 4: if you've got a question from Mark or myself, shoot
- 21:26Speaker 4: me an email Klatcarrie LUTs dot com and we'll have
- 21:31Speaker 4: a link to the book and mark site in the
- 21:34Speaker 4: show notes. This interview on Financial Survival Network dot com.
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- 21:52Speaker 1: Carriie, thank you so much. It's really a pleasure meeting
- 21:54Speaker 1: you truly.
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