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String of young women's dead bodies leads to to mixed martial arts champ Cedric Marks? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, available now only on Fox Nation.
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  Speaker 1: How does a trail of missing women connect to the
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  Speaker 1: world of mixed martial arts? How first one woman goes missing,
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  Speaker 1: a twenty eight year old mom, then another, But what
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  Speaker 1: does that have to do with the phenomena of mixed
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  Speaker 1: martial arts. It's highly popular here in the US and
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  Speaker 1: across the world. But right now I'm interested in the
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  Speaker 1: connection between two dead bodies. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a
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  Speaker 1: string gorgeous young missing women fit into the world of
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  Speaker 1: mixed martial arts? How does that happen? Or did it happen?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace, This is Crime Stories. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us here on Fox Nation and Series
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  Speaker 1: XIM one eleven. When a beautiful young mom goes missing
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  Speaker 1: Jenna Scott, that raises the alarm. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friends joining us ABC twenty five k x x
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  Speaker 1: V News. This is Aaron Heft. Listen. It's breaking my heart.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a ten year old granddaughter that I have
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  Speaker 1: to help find her mother. There's so many people that
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  Speaker 1: love you we're all looking for you. You just hope
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  Speaker 1: you come home. Jenna Scott and Michael schweringen vanished January fourth,
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  Speaker 1: without a trace. There. Car found in East Austin, but
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  Speaker 1: no evidence of them. With more than a week having passed,
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  Speaker 1: their loved ones can't sit by any longer. They don't
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  Speaker 1: have that many people, so we're just trying to be
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  Speaker 1: a resource. Family and friends involuntarily come together trying to
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  Speaker 1: find Jenna and Michael or any trace of them in
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  Speaker 1: places just like this that back up to Michael's property,
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  Speaker 1: but the family's knocked offing there. Every foot on the
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  Speaker 1: road counts land, blade land, anywhere between Temple Austin the
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  Speaker 1: Clean Belton area. We're just kind of searching everywhere. Michael's mother,
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  Speaker 1: Deborah Harrison, explained Michael and Jenna are good friends and
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  Speaker 1: have a strictly platonic relationship. Since the two went missing.
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  Speaker 1: Jenna missed her daughter's tenth birthday, something very uncharacteristic of Jenna.
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  Speaker 1: The family says, yeah, it'll be a cold day in
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  Speaker 1: hub Before I missed the twins birthday, that was a blowout.
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  Speaker 1: Kay jumpy house presence, the works. In fact, if somebody
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  Speaker 1: doesn't get a noseblade or throw up. It just wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a good time. But why would a mom miss her
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  Speaker 1: teen year old's birthday? It doesn't make sense. And then
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  Speaker 1: after a week she's gone, everybody knows something is horribly wrong,
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  Speaker 1: and not just her and talking about a twenty eight
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  Speaker 1: year old beauty Jenna Scott, but her best friend Michael Sweringen,
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  Speaker 1: age thirty two, they both go missing. Highly un characteristic
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  Speaker 1: for this young mom to be away from her children.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to break it down
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  Speaker 1: and put it back together again. Judge and trial lawyer
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, anchor at Court TV at ashe Wilcott dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty six years on Seattle p d. Twenty two as
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  Speaker 1: a homicide detective, author of Seattle's Forgotten serial killer Gary
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  Speaker 1: Jean Grant, I Haven't forgotten him. Clod Steiger, a renowned
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  Speaker 1: forensics expert, joining me and host a Shattered Souls podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Smith joining us from LA the Deputy medical Examiner
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  Speaker 1: out of Travis County. That's Austin, Texas. Doctor Kendall Crowns,
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  Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrist. Can find him on Instagram. Doctor Daniel Bober
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  Speaker 1: joining me out of the Florida jurisdiction doctor Daniel Bober.
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  Speaker 1: But right now, let's start with Crime Online dot Com
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter Levi Page. Levi's my firm belief if you
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  Speaker 1: buy it on the panel disagrees. Let me know, maybe
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  Speaker 1: you've got a better method that. The first thing you
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  Speaker 1: do in an investigation is start your timeline as you
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  Speaker 1: can best discern it at the time. And I want
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  Speaker 1: to start with this very tangled ball of yarn with
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  Speaker 1: Jenna Scott twenty eight years old? Who what where? Wife? When?
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  Speaker 1: First of all, well was Jenna last seen? Where? And
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  Speaker 1: what can you tell me about her? In particular? So Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: it's January fourth, twenty nineteen in Temple, Texas video. Woo
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  Speaker 1: Temple Texas, Jackie, can you tell me the population and
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  Speaker 1: the Jenna? I think I know? Hey, Hey, I've got crowns.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, jack after Kendall Crowns, Temple Texas. Texas
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  Speaker 1: is a big state. Where is it in Texas? Give
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  Speaker 1: it to me relationally, like it's close to Houston or
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  Speaker 1: it's close to Austin. And if you know the population,
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  Speaker 1: what can you tell me about Temple Texas? It's believe,
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  Speaker 1: I believe it's between Dallas and Austin, about an hour
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  Speaker 1: and a half outside of Austin. As far as the
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  Speaker 1: population is concerned, I do not know where. Well, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, sadly, Google beat you. Okay, Jackie's waving at me.
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  Speaker 1: Population of about seventy six thousand, and are you where
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  Speaker 1: is it? Did you say, Kendall, Oh, about an hour
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  Speaker 1: and a half outside of Austin, between Austin and Dallas.
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  Speaker 1: It's north of Austin. Okay, so it's about midway. Would
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  Speaker 1: you say between Austin and Dallas. I believe so, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure Google knows better. Yeah, Google, jack Let's go
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  Speaker 1: to Google. Sorry, you know, I guess I didn't teach
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  Speaker 1: you that in medical school. Doctor crowns back to you,
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  Speaker 1: leave my page seventy six thousand for a ten in
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  Speaker 1: the metro area surrounding it. Having come from a small town,
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  Speaker 1: that's small, so Levi, she comes from a small town
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of Texas, about halfway between Austin and Houston.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just imagining that in my mind, and that significant
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  Speaker 1: as it relates to her disappearance, because you know, as
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  Speaker 1: she Willcott judge and trial lawyer COURTV anchor the reality
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  Speaker 1: is if you're in New York, La Atlanta, you've got
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  Speaker 1: major interstates whizzing by your home right, A lot different
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  Speaker 1: when you're looking at a small town disappearance. It narrows
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  Speaker 1: the pool of purps. Would you agree or disagree? Ash, Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: it narrows the pool of perps. Not only that, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: but you know as well as I do. In a
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  Speaker 1: smaller town, even one of that size, people talk, People
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  Speaker 1: know the personalities, People know the people, which can make
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  Speaker 1: a huge difference in knowing this. Something was wrong, something
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  Speaker 1: was amiss for her to miss her ten year olds
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  Speaker 1: birth that, Levi, Page, I don't know how you got
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  Speaker 1: us off the subject like that. You really, you know,
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  Speaker 1: got us out in the weeds. Let's get back in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the red. Okay, I did it? Levi?
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  Speaker 1: Back back to the beginning. Tell me about Jenna Scott,
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight year old mom disappearance. Guys, So, Nancy, she
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  Speaker 1: was a nurse and she was going back to school
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  Speaker 1: to get her masters in counseling. All of her friends
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  Speaker 1: say that this is the girl that you went to
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  Speaker 1: if you had a problem to talk to. So she
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  Speaker 1: took what she was good at and was going to
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  Speaker 1: be a counselor, and she almost graduated until she vanished
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  Speaker 1: January fourth, twenty nineteen. She was last seen with her
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  Speaker 1: friend Michael Swearingen. He's thirty two years old. They were
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  Speaker 1: friends for about a decade, very close, but a platonic relationship,
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  Speaker 1: not romantic, and he vanished as well. At his home
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  Speaker 1: the alarm system was going off, but the security footage
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  Speaker 1: was missing, and then there was a search for these
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  Speaker 1: two friends. You know, a lot of people say a
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  Speaker 1: man and a woman can't be friends. I disagree because
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  Speaker 1: I recalled distinctly when I left Atlanta as a prosecutor
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  Speaker 1: and moved to New York, I knew nobody and I
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  Speaker 1: made the best friend at court TV who turned out
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  Speaker 1: to be my first line producer daytime, and we're still
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  Speaker 1: so close this very date. Justin he came with me
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  Speaker 1: to HLN after years at court TV, then he went
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  Speaker 1: to CNN. Now he's back at Fox still to this day.
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  Speaker 1: Same thing with my executive producer on Nancy Grayson, Larry
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  Speaker 1: King Dean. So we were friends. Oh gosh, Jackie Dan
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  Speaker 1: and I have been best friends since I'm went up
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  Speaker 1: back at court TV as well to this very day,
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  Speaker 1: so long story is short. A lot of people may
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  Speaker 1: raise their eyebrow that these two disappear together, but you
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  Speaker 1: heard the families say they're just platonic. I mean it
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  Speaker 1: is possible, doctor Kendall Crowns, isn't it? Yes? I tootly agree,
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  Speaker 1: And what about you, doctor Daniel bober forensic psychiatrists. It
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  Speaker 1: is possible for these two to disappear, not off on
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  Speaker 1: some romantic getaway to a Caribbean island, but they go
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  Speaker 1: somewhere as friends and then they never come home. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people have suggested Michael Sweringon was more than
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  Speaker 1: a friend. That was simply not true, doctor bober Well.
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  Speaker 1: I think in this day and age, we tend to
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  Speaker 1: think there's always more involved. But sure it's possible that
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  Speaker 1: they're just friends. But what happened to Jenna back to you,
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  Speaker 1: Leavi page, she goes missing, you said back in January,
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  Speaker 1: And what first gets the attention of her family when
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  Speaker 1: she didn't show up to the birthday party of her
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  Speaker 1: daughter she just turned ten years old. Well, okay, what
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  Speaker 1: we know is this. Take a listen to WC excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: Ksee and TV reporter. This is Jasmine Caldwell Well the
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  Speaker 1: crime scene tape has been removed. But this is the
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  Speaker 1: abandoned property where Michael Swearing, Jenn and Jenna Scott were
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  Speaker 1: found in this quiet backyard in this small Oklahoma town
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  Speaker 1: of about fifty six people since the Shallow Graves or
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  Speaker 1: Temple residence. Jenna Scott Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back everybody on Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for joining us at Fox Nation and Serious X
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  Speaker 1: one eleven. As you just heard, the bodies of Jenna
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  Speaker 1: Scott and Michael Swergen were found far far away and
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  Speaker 1: shallow Graves to leave my page, What can you tell
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  Speaker 1: me about discovery of their first Let's start with where
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  Speaker 1: were their bodies discovered? So their bodies were discovered in
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  Speaker 1: a makeshift grave three hundred and fifty miles away in
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  Speaker 1: rural Oklahoma, in a town called clear View, Oklahoma, and
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  Speaker 1: it was discovered eleven days after they went missing. Well,
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  Speaker 1: clearly this tells me Loyd Steiger it was some murder
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  Speaker 1: suicide pack. Analyze the sane for him in Cloyd Steiger
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  Speaker 1: Seattle PD. Now author, Well, yeah, of course, it's not
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  Speaker 1: a suicide pack that you have to kill yourself and
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  Speaker 1: bury yourself in a shallow grave in a shallow grave. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: the first thing you'd want to know is what is
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  Speaker 1: there about that area that these people would be in
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  Speaker 1: or that somebody that knew them would ring in, and
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  Speaker 1: what was going on in their lives? And you just
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  Speaker 1: have to start a basically a background profile on the victim.
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  Speaker 1: I just want on what you just said before it
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  Speaker 1: gets away like a runaway train. Leave, I pay cloy
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  Speaker 1: Stagger is right yet again the location, The location is significant.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. This is a great example. You've
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  Speaker 1: heard me use it before. Levi Scott Peterson, his wife,
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  Speaker 1: an unborn child, go missing. Where is she? His fishing hole?
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay. Some cadaver dogs take the scent from
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  Speaker 1: her home they're own cavina and modesto and follow it
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  Speaker 1: forty five minutes by car. By the way, that's how
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  Speaker 1: far away it was to the San Francisco Bay and
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  Speaker 1: they stop right there. So that's his fishing hole. And
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  Speaker 1: we've seen it over and over and over, doctor Bober.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it it's like a dog that circles and
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  Speaker 1: then sits down. Why do people bury bodies, get rid
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  Speaker 1: of evidence or always go back to familiar locations? You're
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  Speaker 1: the shrink. Why Because people tend to fall back on
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  Speaker 1: old patterns of behavior and it's their comfort zone and
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  Speaker 1: that's usually where they stay in. Okay, this is what
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  Speaker 1: I like to do. Everybody think for one moment, if
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  Speaker 1: you had to get rid of a dead body, just
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  Speaker 1: think Jackie, you two, I'm sure you've thought about it before.
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  Speaker 1: Where would you hide it? I immediately think of hide
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  Speaker 1: Hills back home in bib County, Making Georgia, where I
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  Speaker 1: grew up. I mean, you go somewhere with which you
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  Speaker 1: are familiar. So whoever did this? I mean leavi Page
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  Speaker 1: tell me about where is it? Again? It's in clear View, Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 1: It's an extremely rural area. This kind has a population
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  Speaker 1: of fifty six who fifty six point fifty six? Yes, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's not something you just come upon. Joining me as
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  Speaker 1: a forensics expert. Now the host of Shattered Souls podcast
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  Speaker 1: joining me out of California, Karen Smith. What does that
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  Speaker 1: tell you? That tells me that somebody is familiar with
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  Speaker 1: that area, don't I don't see this as something that
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  Speaker 1: somebody drove through and just decided to stop fifty six people. Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: got it? Everybody knows everybody. I don't hear that one
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  Speaker 1: more time, Jack and I want to hear it all
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  Speaker 1: the way through. Our friend Jasmine called at k e
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  Speaker 1: N TV. Well, the crime scene tape has been removed,
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  Speaker 1: But this is the abandoned property where Michael swearing Gin
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  Speaker 1: and Jenna Scott were found in this quiet backyard in
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  Speaker 1: this small Oklahoma town of about fifty six people. Since
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  Speaker 1: the shallow graves or temple residents Jenna Scott and Michael
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  Speaker 1: swearing Gin were found, we were very surprised and we
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  Speaker 1: didn't want that negativity here about our town. Surely Nero
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  Speaker 1: is the local historian here in clear View, She said,
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  Speaker 1: the nearly all black town's historic in the state of Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 1: This was a forming agriculture area and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the people that a lot of them worked on these
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  Speaker 1: forms that were owned by whites. Lately, she says, all
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  Speaker 1: anyone can talk about is the body found in the backyard.
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  Speaker 1: We were shocked. We were just only shocked that that
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  Speaker 1: could happen here in clear View. You're hearing from local residents,
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  Speaker 1: one of fifty six shocked that two dead bodies are
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  Speaker 1: found in a shallow grave. Question to you, doctor Kendall,
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  Speaker 1: Crown's Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas. That's Austin. Why
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  Speaker 1: do we always hear its shallow grave, buried in a
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  Speaker 1: shallow grave? How many thousands of times have I announced
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  Speaker 1: found buried in a shallow grave? It's always a shallow grave.
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  Speaker 1: Why because it's harder to dig deeper into the ground
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  Speaker 1: to get a standard depths of a traditional grave, which
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  Speaker 1: I believe is about eight feet. Most people get tired
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  Speaker 1: after about a foot, and then about three feet they
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  Speaker 1: think it's good enough, and then they just cover them
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  Speaker 1: up with dirt and run off. Just the way you
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  Speaker 1: said that, I'm thinking of this young mom. I wish
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  Speaker 1: you could say, because I'm looking at a picture right now.
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  Speaker 1: Jenna Scott Michael Swerington, her best friend, thirty two years old,
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  Speaker 1: also found in a shallow grave. To you leave ipage
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  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what can you tell
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  Speaker 1: me about the cod cause death? Well, we know that
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  Speaker 1: Michael Swerzon. The autopsy noted that he died of a
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  Speaker 1: fitiation he was strangled. The autopsy also noted that he
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  Speaker 1: had abrasion on his hands, indicating that he struggled with
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  Speaker 1: whoever killed him. Jennis Scott's autopsy, it ruled that she
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  Speaker 1: died of homicidal violence. The medical examiner found black adhesive
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  Speaker 1: residue on her face, her neck, She had fractured ribs,
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  Speaker 1: contusions and abrasion on her wrist and ankles. Her mouth
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  Speaker 1: had been taped, and her arms and legs had been
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  Speaker 1: bound and she was beaten. Okay, back to you, doctor
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  Speaker 1: Kendall Crowns. Let's analyze the cause of death and the
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  Speaker 1: injuries to the body. What can you tell me from
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  Speaker 1: the types of injuries described it. For the male especially,
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  Speaker 1: it does appear that he tried to fight back with
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  Speaker 1: the abrasions on his arms and hands. The female with
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  Speaker 1: adhesive tape, she was probably taped up before she was killed,
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  Speaker 1: probably a similar manner to the male, as assisiated or
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  Speaker 1: strangled in some way. Even though they've used homicidal violence,
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  Speaker 1: which is a term used when they're not one hundred
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  Speaker 1: percent sure exactly the method that the person died in,
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  Speaker 1: but the fact that they have tape residue and they're
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  Speaker 1: founder in a shallow grave, they obviously died from a homicide.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking about that tape, I mean, that is a treasure
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  Speaker 1: tripe of evidence, wouldn't you agree with that, Ashley Wilcot.
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  Speaker 1: Duct tape or tape on the body's got to be
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  Speaker 1: covered in fingerprints or hair, fibers, skin cells, you name it.
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  Speaker 1: From the purp. Yeah, absolutely, And so one thing just
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  Speaker 1: strictly from a judicial evidence collection perspective, when you have
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  Speaker 1: these types of injuries, the duct tape, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: the good news is it is a whole source of
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  Speaker 1: evidence to identify the perpetrator. Like you said, fingerprints, DNA.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard for someone to not leave any of that
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  Speaker 1: behind when they've used this method, even wearing gloves, fiber's
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  Speaker 1: hair from your clothes, get on that duct tape. But
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  Speaker 1: something you said was very significant to leave page And
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  Speaker 1: we also heard it from the reporter our friend that
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  Speaker 1: just stated, Jasmine Calwell about the owner of the property,
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  Speaker 1: tell me about the property. So, Nancy, this was in
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  Speaker 1: clear View, Oklahoma, Nancy, where these shallow graves were found
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  Speaker 1: and there are fifty six people that were living here
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  Speaker 1: and it has ties to one of the victims ex boyfriends.
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  Speaker 1: Who wo whoa Jenna Scott's ex boyfriend named yes, Cedric Mark,
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  Speaker 1: forty four year old MMA fighter m M A Mixed
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  Speaker 1: martial arts I mean BAM right there. He's connected to
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  Speaker 1: her sexually. He's an ex boyfriend X. There's a reason
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  Speaker 1: they're in X. I have people ask me all the time, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: should I get back with my ex husband my boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: There's a reason they're in X. So she happens to
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  Speaker 1: turn up dead in a shallow grave with her bestie
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  Speaker 1: on the property of her ex boyfriend who is a
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  Speaker 1: are analyzing the case of a missing beauty Jenna Scott
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm twenty eight years old and her best friend,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Schwerinchen. We know their bodies have been found hundreds
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  Speaker 1: and hundreds of miles away from Oklahoma in Texas and
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  Speaker 1: a town of about fifty six people reverse from Texas
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  Speaker 1: in Oklahoma, in a town of about fifty six people
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  Speaker 1: that happens to be the property of her ex boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: a mixed martial arts star Sedgric Marks. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to this our friends at case E n TV channel six.
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  Speaker 1: When they picked him up and put him on that van,
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  Speaker 1: he should have never he should have never gone anywhere
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: but Bell County. Marx was being transported from Michigan to
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Texas in connection to the deaths of his ex girlfriend
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Jenna Scott and her friend Michael Sweringen. The day before
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: agents picked up Marks, Kerwin says the agents called him
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to ask if they should transport Marks. He was accused
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: of two murders, maybe three, and they were going to
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: have to put him in a van with nine other inmates,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and they didn't. They said that's not a good idea
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: because he had made all kind of threats. Kerwin says. Eventually,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the agents were told by management to put what's called
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: a black box over Mark's handcuffs for extra security, But
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: when they stopped at McDonald's, Kerwin says one of the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: agents opened the back doors so inmates could get some
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: fresh air and Mark saw his opportunity to escape. Cedric
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Marks only had to do was kicked the gate and
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: it came open and he just simply stepped out and
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: walked away. I want to laugh, but it's it's horrible.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: They're transporting I think nine felony inmates, including a guy
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: who's suspected of two murders, and they stop at McDonald's,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and of course this professional mixed martial arts specialists escapes.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Not only do they stop at McDonald's. Why they couldn't
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: hold it? They had to get a cup of coffee?
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Why why they stop at McDonald's and then they open
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: the van door. Can you imagine driving through the McDonald's
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: with your children in the back of your car and
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you see an inmate transport with the door open and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: all the guys just sitting there like they're on their
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: lunch break. No, and of course he escapes. Okay, straight
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: out to Cloyd Siger. What is a black box as
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: it relates to containing someone in handcuffs? Well, I'm not
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: really familiar with. I'm sure it's something to do with
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: covering the locks and until he can't. That's exactly what
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: it is. That's exactly what it is. You ever seen
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: a lockbox when a home is up for sale, they
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: put a lock box on the door handle. Sure, it's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: a box, it's hard to get into, and that's what
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: they had. Kind of a black box that's supposed to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: be impenetrable around his handcuffs. What happened, Levite Page? Why
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: in the hay with nine felony inmates in a van
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: do they stop at McDonald's to feed the prisoners? Nancy?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: That just rolled off the tip of their They couldn't
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: wait till they get to the CI, the Correctional Institute.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: You know, they were transporting them from Michigan. Nancy. I'm
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: sure it's with a long ride. I don't know why
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: they had to stop at McDonald's, but they did it
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: to fee the inmates. When he escaped and he was
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: found hiding it a trash can Nancy? Okay, just hold
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: on just a moment, can I just I'm trying to
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: focus on the escape. Extremely dangerous double murderer mixed martial
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: arts star escapes from a police van. I'm reading a headline.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: During a stop at McDonald's. They go on a manhunt. Okay,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you know this sounds like something in the Keystone Cops comedy.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: But it's real if you don't for the thought that
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: it may be funny. Imagine what this young mom's family
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: thought when they think they finally get the guy and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: then he escapes at a McDonald's. Tell me about the
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: man hunt, Levi. So the manhunt lasted hours, Nancy, and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: they ultimately discovered him half a mile from the McDonald's,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and he was still in his orange jumpsuit and he
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: was hiding inside of a trash can. This guy is
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: no ediott LEVI. Take a listen to a police neuser.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: This is Lieutenant Dorsey McGinnis at Conroy of Texas, trying
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to make lemonade out of some very bitter elements. This morning,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: at approximately seven to twenty am, the Conrad Police Dispatch
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: received a call from Texas Prisoners Transport Services advising of
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: an escapee from their transport van. The escapee, identified as
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Cedric Joseph Marks, who's a black mail with the date
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: of birth of seven fifteen of seventy four, was able
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to elude custody when the transport van stopped at McDonald's
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: at eight oh one North Loud, three thirty six West.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Marks escaped on foot and in an eastern direction. Marks
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: was in the transport was in transport from Grand Rapids, Michigan,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: after being captured by the US Marshals for a warrant
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: for a burglary of a habitation with the intent to
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: commit another felony. The Texas Prisoner Transport Services was in
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: routes to Bell County at the time of their Marks
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: also has warrants for the murders of Michael Swearingen H.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Thirty two and Jenna Scott H. Twenty eight in an
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: investigation that began in Temple, Texas in January of two
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: thousand and nineteen. Hold on, I want to correct something.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: These were not sheriff's deputies that were transporting them. These
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: were employees of a private company called Texas Prisoner Transport Services.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: So he can't lay blame at the Texas Rangers, Texas Police,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Texas Sheriffs. It was a private company that let this
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: guy slip through their fingers, and then when they get
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: him after a massive manhunt, he's taken off his prison shirt.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: That was smart because when you see a guy walking
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: around in an orange jumpsuit, you think, oh that there's
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a criminal or a white outfit with stripes down the side.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: You know immediately that's an inmate. He had taken off
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: his shirt and put on a Jene Jack when he
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: was caught. Okay, let's go back to you leave a page.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: They catch him after a massive man hunt and take
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: him where he is transported to Texas to face charges
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: for burglary Nancy because he broke into the home of
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Jenna Scott. She had called police because she was asleep
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: with her child nine years old. He broke into her
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: home and threatened to kill her, and she called police
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and he ran away. So he was taken back to
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: places on those charges and then later charged with the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: double murder of Jenni Scott. Okay, I'm wanting you to
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: take a listen to Caseye and TV reporter Jasmine called Well.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, I wrote a letter to Cedric
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Marks to ask if he had anything to do with
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: the murder of Jenna Scott and Michael Swearingen. He did
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: not give me a yes or no answer, but he
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: did tell me he knows who harmed Jenna Scott, but
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: did not provide a name. He also told me that
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Maya Maxwell is eight months pregnant with his baby. Maxwell
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: is the woman who told investigators that Marks kilt Jenna
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Scott and Michael Squaringon. She is facing capital murder charges
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and tampering with evidence related to the case. Mark's claim
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that Maxwell received threats from her lawyer and that her
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: lawyer was blocking her email, her mail, and visits. Now,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I reached out to Maxwell's attorney, who told me at
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: no point did he ever threaten her or block her
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: from calling anyone, or refused her visits. Mark says he
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: thinks prosecutors are trying to force Maxwell into a plea
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: deal later this week. Now. Maxwell attorney says she was
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: scheduled to appear in court later this week, but that
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: that court appearance was moved to sometime in June. I
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: don't get it. So he's got one dad X who
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: is the mother of one of his children, I think,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and her best friend dad. Now this other woman is
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: coming forward, Maya Maxwell pregnant with his child. Doctor Daniel Bober.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: What do women see and guys like this? I mean,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of women may think he's handsome
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: or buff's all. He's a lean, mean fighting machine. I
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: mean that literally. He's a mixed martial arts star. But
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: what do they see in these guys. Well, literally, he
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: is a lean, mean fighting machine. But I think women
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: time to go for the bad way, the rebel, the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: one that sometimes skirts the loss. So I think that's
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: what it is. I think that's the attraction. Okay, So
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that same old theory that women are after bad guys
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: that they don't like the good guys. I'm happy to
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: say that my husband is one of the good guys,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and I don't fault for bad boys. Crime stories with
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance and
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the death of a beautiful young mom, Jenna Scott, and
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: her boyfriend Michael Swerton, and it's all tied into the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: world of mixed martial arts and an MMA star Cedric Marks,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: who has the thirty one win record. Pretty impressive. But
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that's not the end of it. It's not the end,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say, with the death of Jenna Scott,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: which he doesn't show up for her child's tent the birthday.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at Caseye MTV. That's
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: just Channel six news reporter Cole Johnson. At this point,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Marks has not been charged with murder, but today he
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: was named a person of interest in the two thousand
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: and nine disappearance of April Peas. You want answers, say,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I do they last we heard she's going to go
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to me in a sort of treatment, and my sister
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: is hopeful with that, and we didn't hear anything after that.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Peace's uncle says, the worst part is the not knowing,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: not knowing if she's just hiding somewhere or she is
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: in fact dead. Since her disappearance, PISA's son has been
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: living with Marx. But now that Marks is behind bars
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: waiting to be extradited back to Texas, and authorities say
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: his wife along with his girlfriend are locked up in Miskegan.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: We're harboring a fugitive and tampering with evidence. PISA's family
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: is now trying to get custody of the boy. I'm
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: just sick in my heart to hear this. So, after
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Jenna Scott and Michael Swingeon are killed, transported hundreds of miles,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: left in a shallow grave, somehow this mixed martial arts
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: star escapes police custody and now we have another dead body. Apparently,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: this young woman, April Pas, the mother of Cedric Mark's
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: four year old son, had been beaten horribly. Can you
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: imagine having a fight with an MMA star. She had
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: been beaten brutally by Cedric Marks and had fled to
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: a battered women's shelter, but somehow she was lured out
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: of the shelter and she's never been seen alive again.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Levi Page, tell me about April Peas, the mother of
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Cedric Mark's little boy. Okay, she's twenty years old, Nancy,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and she vanished in two thousand and nine, like you said,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: from a domestic violence shelter. And here's what happened. We
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: know that she left Cedric Mark. She had a four
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: year old with him. They were involved in a custody battle,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: and she fled to this domestic violence. Now, let me
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: understand something. Is this before or after Jenna Scott goes missing?
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: This is before, This isn't in two thousand, So this
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: pre day's Jenna Scott. Okay, go ahead in ten years before.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: So he had a girlfriend at the time, and Christine
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Sortson Cedric Marks did and they went to look for
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: April Piece and they found her at this domestic violence shelter,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: and Sorenson said that she helped Cedric Marks find her.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: They waited outside the shelter, they saw her and Cedric
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Marks grabbed her, attacked her, and put her in Christine
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Sorenson's vehicle. They started driving, Cedric Marks told her to
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: pull over. She did, and then Cedric Marks dragged April
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Piece out of the vehicle, put her in a choke hold,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and according to Christine Sorenson, Cedric Marks dragged April Piece
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: to a wooded area out of her eyesight and he
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: returned moments later crying and he said that he killed her.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: And Cedric Marks has confessed to multiple people over the
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: years that he killed her and also removed her hands
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: and teeth, so if her body is ever just discovered,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: that they will not be able to identify her and
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: that body her body abled pieces body has never been found.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: To Dodger Kendall, Crown's deputy medical examiner, joining me out
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: of Travis County, that's Austin, Texas. Removed her hands and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: pulled all of her teeth out of her head so
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: she could never be identified if her body was found.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: This is the mother of his little boy. Have you
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: ever seen anything like that? I've never seen someone actually
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: removed someone's teeth before, but I have seen them cut
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the appendages off and cut heads off and attempt to
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: make it so you couldn't identify him. One time there
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: was an individual who killed his girlfriend and then sought
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: her body into parts with a band song and distribute
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: him all over a park. And he made sure to
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: make the hands disappear. But the sad thing is is
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: they don't seem to realize that we can still get
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: DNA from these body parts to identify the person that play.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Just curious, Doctor Kendall Crowns. When you, you know, go
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: out for a pizza, what do you talk about? What
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: do I talk about? Wow? Not this I have I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: don't usually talk about this. No, I actually have five children,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: so I talk about my kids quite a bit. Good. Good,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: good to know. Do you catch yourself doing that? As
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: she Wilcott, you just start talking about murder when you
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: probably shouldn't do. I ever, I meant absolutely, just because
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: of what I do for a living in what I see.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Could I just add to this though? I mean, it's
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: so gruesome, it's so horrible, it's so horrific. But listen, okay,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start. This martial arts
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: fighter and the acts of violence that he's allegedly committed
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and confessed to mean that he is a hard core criminal.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: And the good news is by having all this evidence
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: that he's put out there because of how he's done things,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: that's good news, so that the system can seek and
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: receive that true. But what I don't understand, it's why
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the system screwed up. He killed April Piece, and I
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: don't understand why now in the last days he's just
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: getting charged with the murder of April Peace, the mother
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: of his child. This happened back in two thousand and nine.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: If it had been handled then and he had gone
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: behind bars, what were they blind him because he's a
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: mixed martial arts star Because I'm not. He looks like
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the devil to me. So if he had been arrested,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: then maybe Jenna and Michael Surgeon would be alive right now.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: And speaking of evidence, which as she Wilcock correctly just did,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Karen Smart, Karen Smith, you are the forensics expert. Why
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: hasn't her body been found? Number one? But have you
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: ever seen a case where they tried to hide the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: idea of the victim by cutting off the hands and
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: pulling out all the teeth. No, I'd like the doctor.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I've never seen the teeth pulled, hands cut off, yes,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: heads cut off. Yes. Unfortunately, I have going back to
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: why they haven't found her body. I'd like to know
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: that as well. You have a witness who states she
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: was there. Have they taken her back to try to
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: find the location where they pulled off to the side
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: of the road by these woods to find the body.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I've had that done before. We took a young man
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: out to We drove around for hours and hours trying
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: to find this location, drove down a dirt road and
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: he started screaming, there it is, Oh my god, there
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: it is, So you have to take this. I think
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: it was a Christiane Sorenson, I think it was her name.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Take her back, try to find the location and see
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: if you can find that body that should be right there,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: right there. You just mentioned the name is Kelle Sorenson,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: And you're right, Karen Smith. Yet another woman under his spell,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and this one apparently goes with him to lure April
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: out of the Battered Women's Center, and she does, she
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: comes out, and she ends up dead. Um take a
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: listen to Jas McCawell, Kate C M District attorney Henry
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Garza announced he's pushing for the death penalty against Cedric Marx.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: He's the former MMA fighter accused of killing Jenna and Michael,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend and her friend. In a recent phone interview,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Marx told me he's innocent, but I'm not guilty at all.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I did not kill Michael Warren, and I I definitely
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: didn't kill Keen of God. Legal analyst Liz Mitchell says
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: death penalty cases are slow moving and expensive, and you
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: see that these cases really are saved for the worst
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: of the worst, the most egregious, the most heinous. Case says.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Now that the state is seeking the death penalty, lawyers
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: from the Regional Public Defender for Capital Cases office in
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Austin have been appointed to represent Marks. I reached out
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: to the families of the victims. In a statement, Michael's
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: mother told me, we are all in agreement that the
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: death penalty was best. Cedric Marks already lived longer than
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Michael and Jenna. There is a such thing as righteous
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: anger and punishment. We are good Christian people, but we
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: feel this was the best option. Finally, behind bars, I
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: wonder if there are any other bodies to be discovered.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice Son falls Nancy Gray's crime story,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,