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495 2026 Summer Movies Breakdown: The Spider-Man, Mando, Odyssey, Supergirl & More | THE CINE-FILES LIVE · The Cine-Files

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello everyone and welcome to a brand new live episode of the cinephiles here on the cinephiles YouTube channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am one half of the cinephiles that John Roke here joined as always.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a co-host Steve Morris.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How are you Steve?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How are things as we're coming to the end of summer?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had a very good summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were some hard spots, but actually the last few weeks have been really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we made it through Oppenheimer and Christopher Nolan, which is, you know, was a lot of a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm doing really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How about you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're we're coming to the tail end of the summer, but there's a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to talk about from the summer movie season, both good, bad, and ugly, and interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say to add a fourth category there, with these movies and the results that have come out from these movies in terms of the box office, public attention, mainstream conversations, and also lessons possibly that Hollywood could learn from the stuff we're going to talk about today because there is so much to get into here when we break this down and that's what our
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[SPEAKER_01]: episode is going to be about is looking back, breaking down, analyzing and offered our thoughts in opinions and hearing from some of you all about the 2026 summer movie season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know there's still a week and a half left of the summer movie season, but I don't anticipate that dog stars or coyote versus acme or onslaught will make massive numbers according to the box office tracking to really affect
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[SPEAKER_01]: what we're going to talk about today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are probably the last three summer movies of note and of name that are coming out here that are going to be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, we had the insidious film come out over the weekend, Steve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's at 21 to 25 million is the prediction right now for it over the weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a good horror movie number, but not enough to kind of upset the overall analysis of what this summer movie season feels like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is, well, before we start, we're led by you know, thank you for joining us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The stream lab super chats are open.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let us hear your thoughts and comments on everything Steve and I have to say about the summer movie season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's painted the chats in the description of the video as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Steve, let's start with you like what is your feeling?
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[SPEAKER_01]: here as August is about to end and we've been through the summer movie season with these incredible highs, these shocking lows, and then some films that have come on and really surprised us and maybe signaled a path forward that is new for films that maybe we didn't know at the beginning of the summer movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We thought doing a look at it overall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the message was pretty clear, which is people would like interesting films that are different and challenging and it's not that people are rejecting we don't want to ever see any of those beloved characters again, it's that we want interesting films with those beloved characters and that Hollywood can't disrespect their audience anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they can't go like, we've got another piece of IP that we know 40 year olds are gonna love and we're gonna repackage it in this way and people will automatically go see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is clearly not true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is true is that there were some really interesting and challenging movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, people absolutely want to go see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So people will go to the movie theaters, but they won't go to the movie theaters for just anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with you on that end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what we're seeing now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I like in this, I'm, you know, as I get older, I like in everything to sports really just the number one topic in my head all the time and a look at this and the numbers are good here from looking at the numbers here, the season is on pace for roughly 4.2
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[SPEAKER_01]: Billion domestically, which would be the best summer haul since 2019, and the strongest, since the barb and hymer summer of 2023 crossed the $4 billion mark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Domestic ticket sales overall are running up to about 10 to 14% higher compared to 2025.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The annual box office, because of the strong movie season is on pace to cross 10 billion dollars for the first time in seven years, summer alone usually makes up about 40% of the four years total.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is incredible, and movies like a session.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So ticket sales increase in weeks two and three up 39 and 14% when the normal pattern we know Steve is a decrease of 50 to 70% after the opening weekend, which means speaks strongly about word of mouth, still being a powerful thing when it comes to movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Super Mario Galaxy movie toy story five devils were a product all and Michael all did massive massive numbers to help the summer as well, but when you look at how this all went down Steve, I was reading a Forbes article break in this down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: it's really successful because there were these incredibly powerful and strong movies powerful in terms of the box office effect that carried the summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like all these movies came out like masters of the universe or disclosure day or these other films that came out like Mandalorian and Groguer or Supergirl and another one I can't remember right now all came out and did like massive numbers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: better carrying the summer, ticket sales are still down, attendance is still down, but the numbers are up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what does this summer look like if we hadn't had two or three of these surprising blockbusters, like obsession, like backrooms, even like Odyssey, which some people were worried wasn't going to even hit a billion, like what would this summer movie season look like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we look at the numbers initially, it looks great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you look a little further
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[SPEAKER_01]: a troubling trend in Hollywood that people are not attending in the numbers that they did before and the interest in some of these people are willing to walk away from these movies as you said if they don't bring something original to the table which is now seems to be setting up a pretty daunting task for any executive, any director, any producer who is looking to take on and release movies here in the summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's setting up exactly the right task, which is you need to come up with a movie and make a movie that people want to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same task that Hollywood has been facing forever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was thinking about it as you were speaking, I think that every 20, 30 years Hollywood has a revolution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason that it has a revolution is sometimes it's, you know, it's like Hollywood in the silent era gets to a certain point when a lot of ways the film reached an apex and the sound comes in and they go, oh, we have to do something different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they settle in and then TV comes along and they go, oh, we got to figure out how to,
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[SPEAKER_00]: fight against TV and so they have to give us wide screen and these epics and other things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the 60s, Hollywood is like, Oh, we figured it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do this many musicals based on Broadway shows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do this many wacky comedies and this many epics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're doing the same thing they did before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it brought by the late 60s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and those things that had always worked over and over again stopped working and the things that did work were things like Bonnie and Clyde and the graduate and other and you know, easy writer, the easy writer and other films that like push the envelope and Hollywood had to change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't keep doing exactly the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The same thing happened in the 90s with the independent film movement and I feel like the same thing is happening today
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[SPEAKER_00]: 5 to 10 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has been how do we create a universe?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do we do what the MCU has done?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We want these giant IPs and they're going to drive things to streaming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have multiple shows, these complicated things, and that worked up to a certain point, and then it's stopped working.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what is, we, you have to go back to what do audiences want to see and what do I as a filmmaker want to make like what am I passionate about and I think Hollywood has been so timid and particularly in films like super girl fantastic for earlier in the year with Mando and Grogu, those are all timid films.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where they kind of wanted to dip their toes in the water of something real, but they went, well, we don't want to push too hard or go too far or run too fast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people didn't run too fast to go see those movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the movies where people did push, like the Odyssey, like obsession, like backrooms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Spider-Man too, or where we went, oh, we'll totally go to see that, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you look at the originality of backrooms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You look at the originality of a set of obsession.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And look, you can argue that both of those films have plots that maybe you and I who were all timers saw in a twilight zone episode, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea of someone who loves someone and then that person
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or is it factory with someone and then that person through some means turns that obsession back on them what would that actually feel like or something like Backrooms where you think you're seeing an alternate world and you're experiencing it as you're dealing with your own trauma and you realize that you want to you Rather be stuck in your pain than move on and grow right so there's things that feel in their approach and like something we've seen before
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's how they execute it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I think the background's in obsession thing is a fascinating thing to look at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I agree with you with Supergirl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, clearly, as you saw people come out with articles, saying, oh, Anna Nagora didn't understand the ending.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was confusion behind the scenes with James Gondon and Craig Alespie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were issues that went on with how they wanted to construct this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were multiple edits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the end, they didn't really have the guts to follow the spirit of the book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and deliver the things that they were supposed to deliver in that now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you look at disclosure day, here's another one too, because as much as we want to crawl about Nolan being this filmmaker and directors are back, it's only certain directors are back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's clear that Steven Spielberg and if you lump in Mark Scorsese, with some of his recent box office numbers,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's clear that the public is moving away from the dinosaurs of the time that you and I grew up admiring and appreciating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not willing to just come out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would argue, to disclose your day, that was a good movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed that movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a Spielberg approach to aliens that took some chances that brought the aliens out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, had a whole plot line with the alien is showing up at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was so much about it that was different that we hadn't seen before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But even that wasn't enough to get people into the theater.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting to look at this and realize like which are the original approaches that work, which are the original approaches that didn't work, and how do we figure out what the public states are?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as you said, is the revolution here the YouTube revolution or is the revolution something as simple as just make movies that people want to see?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's so nipulous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, well, what is, you know, we don't know what the public states are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We wait for something to come out that tells us what the public states are, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so funny because I disclose your day is an interesting example, because I felt pretty much about the way you did about it, which is, this is a really made film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's a great film, it's not, but it definitely you can see that Spielberg still has the chops that he has always had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as I was making my list and going through what were the big movies over the summer, I forgot about disclosure day, like I wasn't thinking about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it hasn't lived in my mind, even though I think it's well made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is part of the key thing, which is there is an alchemy that occurs with film and the public, because it isn't just, is this movie good or is it not good, obviously?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also, how does it sync up at the moment?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mentioned the graduate before, the graduate is a perfect movie to say, it's not just that it's a great film, which I think it is, but it's also a movie that's spoke to the moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obsession is a movie that totally speaks to the moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I said to John before we got on that I literally just finished it because I was dreading watching it because I knew how was going to make me feel because the whole time I'm going, why would they make a movie about me in my 20s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's pretty much how I felt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: desperately in love, constantly in the friend's own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shai trying to get over the shyness and watching that movie, that is a movie for two days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a movie for young people coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is, we're in a post-COVID world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The young people coming up, the young people that went to see the graduate, they were in the counter-culture, rebellion, losing faith in the society built by the World War II generation,
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[SPEAKER_00]: obsession is young people who had their lives taken away from them for a while have lived largely on screens have much less social interactions than we had coming up and then you have this movie that's obsession that's all about attraction and trying to understand the other person and then twist it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As you said, I totally agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is right out of a Twilight Zone episode,
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[SPEAKER_00]: do you have something to say and will the thing that you have to say sync up with the younger generations that we want to get to go see films?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's why it has a take to say like, well, this is the revolution.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They'd go find the latest youtuber and see if they're going to make the movie, which I think a lot of people have been saying, but I've been like, these could be anomalies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These could be one off, says you said, these guys captured the moment at the right time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This, these films could have come out two years ago and completely bombed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but the, but obsession is that I think 500 million now worldwide on a less than million dollar budget, which is insane.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope everybody gets paid off of that movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you get obsession.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think what's great about obsession rather is that it appeals to the younger generation, as you said so well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But backrooms is a completely different approach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though it laid its groundwork with young people, the people in the movie are not what I would call young people like you saw an obsession.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are people a little bit older who are frustrated with their lives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have taken, have done things with their lives that they didn't necessarily want to do, but they had to make money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had to make do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People who didn't want to face their trauma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, in a lot of ways, backrooms is a deeper film, even though it may not be as satisfying of an ending.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I say, obsession is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's fascinating, both of these films appeal to the younger generation and then the parents of that younger generation, the immediate parents of that young generation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the frustrations they feel in a post-COVID world, as you were talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you bring in Spider-Man brand new day into the mix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is absolutely about young people in COVID and being shut away and detaching yourself from other people and getting used to this like watching people's lives on your screen,
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[SPEAKER_01]: stuff that courses throughout Spider-Man brand new day as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's what's going on here is that these films are coming out that speak to the moment, as you said, so well Steve, about what is happening with a lot of people in multiple generations of our society coming out of COVID.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a very interesting point of view to take because we saw movies that directly address COVID and all of them bombed at the box office or on streaming, but these movies were suddenly referencing
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[SPEAKER_01]: the effects of being locked out for COVID seem to be succeeding in large numbers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's not, there's not a one to one thing, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the mistake that I see Hollywood making over and over again, which is trying to guess what do the people want so we can give them what they want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that system doesn't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you look at those again, I think the comparison of the late 60s and early 70s is really apt because it's not like the graduate and the last picture so an easy writer and then the godfather and the conversation and network were all about the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're all, they're, these are very, very different films, but all of those films spoke to the moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, and this is the thing is that it's not that a director has to go, okay, we're in a post-COVID world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to make a post-COVID movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's that the director has to feel like I have something to say about the world today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like the Odyssey is not a film where Christopher Nolan looked around at the market saw what people liked and said I need to make something that people will like I know I will do this several thousand year old epic poem that's not that isn't what he did what he did was he kept thinking about the Odyssey and says this movie has something to say about us today and I have a way to say it
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where things are working, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's a great point because it's mirroring where people are at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and I think that's the gift of a director who's a really good director, and who's trying to make a commentary with their movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to really kind of sense where the public is at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Almost on a...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, almost on an organic level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to sense we're all having the same conversations, we're all in the same places, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, a lot of the conversations about the Odyssey from people who are a little bit upset about the adaptation is, where are the gods?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why did you make the dialogue so modern?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you've fleshed out some of the female characters and what they do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's these combat, but those conversations, those things are important for why the movie is working for so many people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By making it as accessible as he did, more people are connecting to the story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I have a friend of mine who's a massive mythology person and for him, the Odyssey has always made him cry when he's read it or watched it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never had that experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me just tell you right now, with any of this mythological stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but the Odyssey got me, the Odyssey got me by the end, the Odyssey affected me by the end because of how Christopher Nolan made it much more accessible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't the language?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the humanist point of view that he brought to the to the film that made me connect to what's going on and moved me mostly three or four times throughout the movie and then reducing gods to make them connectable and in conversation level,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think was a super important way to address how we as a people are removing this aloftness to God and want to have much more ground-based conversations about faith, about our approach to faith, about our beliefs and faith, how we communicate with these symbols of faith.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think of a majority of people in that place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there's still the people that want to put God on this pedestal, but I think most people or whatever your God is or whatever you believe in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think most people want to start having these like face-to-face kind of conversations and remove this distance and I knowland caught that with the artist in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he absolutely did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was an incredibly powerful human story going on there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A visceral, as I said when we did our one-take on it, a powerfully visceral story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that great movies can get you to connect to like a rock-based alien in, you know, Project Hill, Mexico, America?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great movies can get you connect to a little robot in Wally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great movies can get you connect to a bunch of fish in finding Nemo like that that that's what great movies do is that great movies and the Odyssey I think is definitely one gets you to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: feel with the story of this ancient myth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an incredible accomplishment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess that's like the big thing, is that did I connect to Mando and Grogu emotionally?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did I see a bunch of Star Wars stuff?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have I forgotten basically all the Star Wars stuff I saw?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I never connected with the characters in a deep way as opposed to Spider-Man brand new day where I was in from the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understood the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I totally felt for Peter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt for the other characters involved and I was swept away by the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we want, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wonder Steve, I know studios won't do this, but maybe there is a second guessing of releasing these films out into the public if you know they're going to crash and burn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you look at how Mando and Grogu did, absolutely didn't do well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Supergirl really is the big box office flop of the suburb, but you throw in disclosure, you throw in masters of the universe, you throw in a few of these other films,
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[SPEAKER_01]: that came out and just did not do well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, let's take a look at some of these stats real quick, just to kind of reaffirm what I'm talking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you see, Spider-Man brand new day, this is all through some of movie seasons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Spider-Man brand new day, Odyssey Toy Story 5 Obsession, Michael Devaware's Prada, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's another way I haven't even mentioned the explosion of that movie, the shook King explosion that movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Backrooms, minions and monsters did okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mandalorian and Grogu below the minions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moana, even even that's the other way to keep forgetting about Moana's
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[SPEAKER_01]: failure as well disclosure day scary movie did well compared to it's budget more to combat too pretty much eight dirt as well by the end sheet defectives under perform masses of the universe did not do so well then you get into my galaxy to billion but then you got project Hail Mary which is a little bit outside the summer thing but evil dead burned it okay end of oak street is currently bombing right now pop up to it all right the invoid is invite was a bit of a shock for an independent film that's done well um and then you get a
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Jack has didn't do well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Hulkham didn't do well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pressure was okay, but didn't do that well compared to its box office.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we get into some really, you know, like some tough losses like super troopers three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, didn't do that well animal farm for Angel Studios really bobbed although young Washington did all right.
22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Death of Robin Hood with Hugh Jackman.
22:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think a damn good movie did almost nothing at the box office.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: as well.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, these are, these are some interesting numbers when you look at the top of the pile, but it doesn't take us, it doesn't take us too long to get to some of the disappointments, as Mando Grogu is the number nine movie of the summer, yet it's considered a flop.
22:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's an interesting situation when you look at the, uh, the numbers and the way this is all balanced out and what, uh, these numbers tell us and what the reaction to the audience tells us as
22:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny Moana to me is like the the pinnacle of what Hollywood is doing wrong, but for it's like here we're just going to give you the exact same thing you got I don't know how long ago Moana was it's not that long the original 2009 I think 2009.
23:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we have the sequel we have the sequel recently.
23:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, like, yeah, you know, doing it that fast and not giving us really anything new.
23:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, what, what you're telling us is that you, let me, because you're Steve 2016.
23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, you were right.
23:21
[SPEAKER_00]: It's much of 2000.
23:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, so it's 10 years ago, and you're doing the exact same movie live action and saying, hey, you guys are going to totally like seeing the same thing again.
23:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, you know, it just doesn't, it just doesn't make sense.
23:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and I think there, there's so to me,
23:37
[SPEAKER_00]: like there is not as we said many many times there is not a one to one relationship between the quality of a film and the box office so there are some less there's some better films that maybe didn't get very good box office and some lesser films that still made money because people will still still go to see a Star Wars thing yeah or Disney thing or whatever.
23:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, like what's really interesting is the movies that sort of break out of those rules, you know, that and it was funny, like you mentioned master's the universe, which I watched a couple of weeks ago, at home, a couple of things about that film, one is, yes, the first thing is that movie is a real lesson in just how great Barbie is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: because Barbie tries to walk this tight row of saying, we completely understand that there are millions and millions of girls and women who grew up with Barbie who love Barbie who obsessed about Barbie and that's awesome.
24:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And we completely understand that there are millions and millions of girls and women who resent and hate the image that Barbie is creative in what it is done and said about women.
24:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And that movie fully engages in those things, respects both of them and delivers on both of those things.
24:48
[SPEAKER_00]: and masters of the universe tries to do that for men.
24:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are things in it where I went, I like that.
24:56
[SPEAKER_00]: That was fun, that was goofy, that was silly, and there are things in it where it's like, I don't know, like, is this a joke?
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah.
25:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they just couldn't, I mean, it's extremely hard tight rope to walk, and I feel like they failed, and I also feel like that 80s kids generation that bought all that stuff, that's us, we're old now.
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and so just go and like we're going to get those 80s kids to get back.
25:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, most, you know, my son doesn't give a fuck about master's the university doesn't care about that IP at all.
25:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So like getting us, so what am I and my, but this is the other thing.
25:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I was ever talked about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: my ability to convince my son that something is cool is right about zero.
25:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So if I was a master to the universe guy, it's at Jackson.
25:43
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go to my favorite thing as a kid, which it never was.
25:46
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I'm a little older than that one.
25:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But if I had done that, that would have totally failed and I would not have gotten him to the theater.
25:52
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the, that's the circle of life.
25:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
25:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, dad's to a lot of kids, dads are never, they're never cool.
25:59
[SPEAKER_01]: What dad likes is never cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once you get to the teen years, when you're a young kid, definitely, dad loves Westerns.
26:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to watch Westerns with my dad.
26:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Dad loves mob movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to watch them.
26:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you get old, you're like, dad, you don't know what you're talking about.
26:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the game always.
26:13
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're right, trying to pitch that thing.
26:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's two things to look for to learn for masses of the universe.
26:19
[SPEAKER_01]: One, I think what you're alluding to, I'm going to go a little, like the 80s IP is dead.
26:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Trying to do 80s IP is really unless you're going to do something incredibly unique or unusual or have some kind of perspective on it that is written by people who are extremely intelligent, understand how to talk to people nowadays for multiple generations, you're not going to succeed with it.
26:41
[SPEAKER_01]: you brought up earlier, I think this is the mistake of Master of the Universe, they laid out an interesting conversation about toxic masculinity and trauma and how men should see value in emotions in caring for people and in being there for your people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's important, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the way they didn't fully commit to these tangential storylines, like man at arms, all of a sudden, becoming a drunk after tailing everybody, you have to get up when you fall down.
27:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's just these mistakes they made along the way with all of these characters that don't elevate the overall point that your film seems to be making.
27:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like they cut this film down so that there was just illusion to this stuff, but stuff wasn't really expensive.
27:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't say that about Barbie.
27:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Barbie fully understood what movie it was, whether sync or swim, it was putting itself out there and had a very clear message about gender dynamics and the changing gender dynamics and also teaching the audience what it's like to be a woman in a man's world by showing men what it's like to be a version of a woman in a man's world in their approach and I think that's that was brilliant and smart and that's why that movie made as much as it made.
27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Masks of the universe could have done that.
27:53
[SPEAKER_01]: With I think better direction, better writing and a commitment to explore toxic masculinity versus a new emotional masculinity, a new softer masculinity because I like that idea.
28:06
[SPEAKER_01]: They just seem to think they could just dip their toes in and roll on to the next thing and then surround it with a bunch of bad dad jokes and that would be enough.
28:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the end, it wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really wasn't.
28:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of
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[SPEAKER_01]: solace in its attempt to do that and it was frustrating Steve because I thought they were good bones here but didn't quite connect as well as it should have you know.
28:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree and I think this is you know I mean honestly to some degree this is the you know the mission statement for the cinephiles at least for me which is that people think that having the good idea is the most important part.
28:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think master's the universe had the good idea.
28:43
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, we can use this film to explore various versions of masculinity and what it means as this character goes through his heroes journey to become the man that he needs to be not the only man that someone can be, but the the he man that he needs to be.
28:57
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great idea, but execution is everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's every line, it's every shot, it's every piece of performance, has to be backing up that idea, or you get what you get, which is a very colorful, sometimes entertaining, sometimes exciting thing that never quite delivers.
29:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting too, because I know it's doing really well on streaming, which is where I watched it.
29:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is where I will tend to see the lesser films,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's I didn't feel like going to the theater for like I still want to be informed and I still want to know what the movie is so I'll watch it after a couple of cocktails Maybe over a couple enough, which is how I watch masses of the universe.
29:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, whatever, you know And that's what I tweeted out.
29:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I I'm I'm done with celebrating a film doing well on streaming I think it means apps of fucking literally nothing
29:47
[SPEAKER_01]: If the film bombed in the box office and it does well on streaming, it means nothing to me, literally nothing because it takes no effort to roll over on your couch and hit play on your literally none.
29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact you can watch it over two days and drink your cocktails, that's even more to me in an affirmation that it's a film that you can enjoy at your pace and your leisure and people are making the efforts.
30:10
[SPEAKER_01]: to go out because it makes takes more effort to get dressed, get showered as I tweeted those some of you don't get to the theater drive to the theater deal with traffic sometimes, get to the theater sit in there deal with people who have not the best theater etiquette get your popcorn and hopefully enjoy the movie and spend that time in joy because the movie isn't just an hour and 40 minutes.
30:32
[SPEAKER_01]: The movie is a three hour commitment we need to think about dressing, driving, watching commercials, leaving, it's a three hour commitment.
30:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And so to me, if the movie bombs it doing while streaming means absolutely nothing in terms of its quality.
30:47
[SPEAKER_01]: People are like, oh, you get a sequel because it's doing while streaming.
30:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me show you Blade of Honor 249.
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And let's talk about SQL from a film that people originally loved in Blade Runner.
30:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just these things that I see.
30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, there needs to be, I think, one of the lessons Hollywood we need to learn here is that if you look at a film and it's not, you feel, you sense it's not going to do well.
31:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you going to waste the money and put it out there?
31:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Just shoot it to streaming, take whatever numbers you can get from streaming and roll on from there.
31:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think, Master's at the University, they've come out on streaming and had done so well,
31:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Then it could have gotten a sequel on streaming and I think nobody would have had an issue with it.
31:23
[SPEAKER_01]: But because you put it out in the theater, it has the stink of a box office flop all over it.
31:28
[SPEAKER_01]: No matter how much people watch it now on stream, you know?
31:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that I do think that doing really, really well on streaming means something.
31:36
[SPEAKER_00]: In the sense that it means more than doing really, really bad on streaming.
31:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are things that we're released on streaming that nobody watched, even like what's the Zack Snyder, two-parter thing, whatever that was on that level, rebel moon, yeah, I watched the first part that was many cocktails on many nights and I was barely got through it and had no desire, I didn't want to even look at the second part, I know it was going on that movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say going to see Mando and Grogu because I did go to see that in the theater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew you and I were going to talk about it.
32:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
32:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And boy, I wish I'd watched it just streaming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Streaming, it would have been fine.
32:13
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but city, because I remember sitting in the theater and there was this certain point where I started to get real sleepy.
32:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I really don't have to talk about this show with John.
32:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to fall asleep, but I was honestly so
32:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like they're crazy, special effects going around and explosions and fast flying ships, and I'm like, whatever, you know, like it just it's just not meaning anything to me.
32:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was when I wish I had seen streaming.
32:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so it's going down big guys.
32:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go down big guys.
32:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that in this, you cast me as the Hulk and you as Black Widow.
32:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I'm saying you falling asleep in things like that.
32:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You're struggling to stay awake.
32:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, I have old man napitis.
32:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like if you get to four o'clock in the afternoon, I'm, oh, yes.
32:59
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're 100% correct.
33:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You're 100% correct.
33:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny when I try to make myself nap, I can't nap as successfully as I can.
33:06
[SPEAKER_01]: That when I'm editing something or I'm reading something in the afternoon, all of a sudden start passing out like crazy.
33:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's interesting how that works, man.
33:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, let's see this couch right behind me.
33:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's received lots of editing mid-editing apps Because I just like, oh, I can't keep going
33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we've been focusing on the things that didn't 100% work.
33:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the flops here throughout the summer.
33:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we've hit, I don't think we need to go deeper in a super girl.
33:31
[SPEAKER_01]: There's many analysis of that.
33:33
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's focus on the things that did work.
33:35
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked to a background session.
33:37
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about Odyssey, but Spider-Man brand new day was pretty successful.
33:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Summary or galaxy movie.
33:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though, I don't think that was a good movie at all.
33:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still crossed a billion dollars.
33:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Toy Story Five, which you could argue is another installment of another IP.
33:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Disney's situation, it made over a billion dollars.
33:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So there are success stories that aren't necessarily the top of the mouth success stories, like Submaria, like Toy Story, that I think should be looked at as well, as successes overall, even though maybe those films weren't, or a couple of films weren't the most well, well received by critics, you know?
34:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't see the Super Mario Brothers movie so I don't have anything to say about that.
34:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen Toy Story 5.
34:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Toy Story 5 is an interesting experience and I always hate this expression, but I mean, use it anyway, which is the exception that proves the rule.
34:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that the whole thing that I said was that we're getting a little tired by just being told that here's this property that you've always loved, go to the theater and love it again.
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think in terms of Toy Story 5, that actually worked pretty well and what was
34:42
[SPEAKER_00]: it went from I think Toy Story 1 through 3 is amazing and Toy Story 3 is an incredible film and Toy Story 4 totally works.
34:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It's I don't put it up at the quite the same level as the others.
34:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Toy Story 5, I went, oh!
34:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I can settle into occasionally revisiting this cast of characters and in the fact that they turn the story away from buzz.
35:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Woody, to Jesse, I was like, oh, now we're going to explore this character in their journey and I was like, okay, and I think they handled all the.
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[SPEAKER_00]: screen stuff versus toy stuff with a with a really death touch.
35:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a nice film.
35:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm I'm perfectly fine with Hollywood rolling out another if it that movie was genuinely about something it was genuinely about something that kids and parents are dealing with right now and all humans are dealing with which is what her screens doing to us and it did it in a very
35:39
[SPEAKER_00]: way.
35:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel perfectly good that that movie came out, you know?
35:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do too.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you're right.
35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It's exception that proves the rule.
35:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's it's an installment that took chances, though, like what you said earlier, and you're in analysis, like it's a story that took chances by going with the Jesse, and especially in an environment now Steve, where it's like, if you put a woman in the
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: the lead.
36:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate it all these people that scream about it, but how do you shut those people down?
36:06
[SPEAKER_01]: The Odyssey showed you.
36:07
[SPEAKER_01]: You make good product that people want to see.
36:10
[SPEAKER_01]: X-Men 97 did that a couple of seasons ago or a couple of years ago with season one.
36:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And we saw that with Toy Story 5.
36:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It absolutely pushes the male characters to the side and makes them the secondary storyline.
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: This is about Jesse and the young girl in the movie and you said the screens again speaking to the
36:28
[SPEAKER_01]: the idea how big screens or how screens are taken over a life.
36:31
[SPEAKER_01]: These meta-right now is in the middle of a massive lawsuit about what they did with the screens they were provided with their app, with Facebook and whatever.
36:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're seeing this happen more and more, more aware of screens and how that's affecting our life, the mental health issue with screens, all these things that are going on now, that's very much the moment.
36:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Incredibles too kind of touched on it.
36:54
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think Toy Story 5 really explored it from the child level, which I think is becoming a thing as well.
37:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what state recently passed.
37:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma.
37:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I think past the law where kids are going to high school and surrendering their cell phones when they walk through the door and they get their cell phones at the end of the day.
37:14
[SPEAKER_01]: They do not have their cell phones throughout the day at school.
37:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So that tells you that screens are becoming something that even
37:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Congress and states are looking at to try to restrict and limit young people's usage job because they see the hazardous effects of these things going on.
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the film kind of explore that, as you said, as in a Disney type way, but speak it about Disney.
37:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Steve Lee outside of toy story five and the devil wears product too, which again, did really well.
37:46
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty much it for the studio.
37:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you could argue you spot a man brand new day, but Sony gets some majority of those profits because it's a Sony.
37:54
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, right situation with Spider-Man.
37:56
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got Mandalorian and Grogo and you've got Moana.
37:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Those were very costly misfires.
38:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So how, where is Disney at the end of this summer?
38:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you include Tron from like last year, which was a massive mistake on all this.
38:10
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Starfighter reaction to this leaked trailer or the trailer that was shown,
38:14
[SPEAKER_01]: was good, but it wasn't great.
38:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Soca 2 reaction for season 2 wasn't that strong either.
38:20
[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're talking about bringing Johnny Depp back to be a secondary character in a prior to the Caribbean movie with Margo Robbie.
38:27
[SPEAKER_01]: That was what happened this week.
38:29
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, is Disney in some fucking trouble?
38:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though we look at Toy Story 5 doing well, is Disney in some trouble here?
38:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the story of Disney is over the last 20 years.
38:41
[SPEAKER_00]: They have made it their mission to acquire properties.
38:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they acquire Pixar, they acquired Star Wars, and they acquired Marvel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that paid off in billions.
38:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, one of the greatest successes of all time,
38:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And it ain't paying off anymore, you know, is that that move was a brilliant move but there is a certain point where you don't put put good money after bad and it is and I just got to say the idea that a soka which was.
39:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you know, like it.
39:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I was never watched all the Clone Wars.
39:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not the biggest Star Wars knowledgeable person.
39:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't know all the history going into it.
39:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But even having listened to you on the geek buddies and vocal and Shannon talk about it, it wasn't delivering for the people that were huge Star Wars people.
39:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that that's going in a season two and Wonder Man isn't just fucking pisses me off.
39:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And if Disney continues to make choices like that, where they go, oh, here is something really good.
39:40
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't know what the numbers are.
39:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the numbers.
39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard you guys say on the geek buddies that Daredevil season born again season two went way, way down in the ratings.
39:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I love Daredevil as my favorite Marvel character.
39:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Daredevil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm gonna watch Daredevil.
39:55
[SPEAKER_00]: But Wonderman was a far better show.
39:58
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a great show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that Disney and this is just like,
40:04
[SPEAKER_00]: when in doubt, follow quality.
40:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I remember there was a I was reading it was like Brendan Tartakov's book about NBC in the 80s and they were talking about the first season or the second season of cheers where it was like number 87 out of 92 shows or so.
40:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
40:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they go to the head of the network and say, well, should we cancel it?
40:25
[SPEAKER_00]: We love this show, but it's doing terribly, you know, I guess we should find something else.
40:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And the head of the network who I don't remember which one it was at that time said, do you have anything better that you're desperate to put on the air?
40:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And they went, no.
40:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, then keep cheers on the air.
40:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why we have cheers.
40:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because people really need to stand by something that they believed in and say, we're going to keep doing this because we think it's good.
40:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Wonderman was good.
40:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And a bunch of the other stuff we've seen coming out from Disney has been mixed at
40:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're not following those rules.
40:55
[SPEAKER_00]: They are following the keep feeding them what we think people will want rule, you know?
41:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
41:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
41:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's why Andor was an anomaly because the board came out and the numbers were good.
41:08
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't great for Andor, but the critical reaction
41:11
[SPEAKER_01]: was massive.
41:12
[SPEAKER_01]: The conversation happening in the pop culture zeitgeist was massive.
41:17
[SPEAKER_01]: It was so big that they debuted episodes of the show after it had already gone on Disney+.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On ABC on their main prime time network to get people into watching it and going and maybe subscribing to Disney Plus to watch it.
41:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the same thing could have happened with Wonderman, which is what's frustrating.
41:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And today, you talk about the minutes, the conversation that we had on the geek buddies it's out today on my channel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We dropped it this morning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had this on Friday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yesterday, it came out that Wonderman has garnered over two billion minutes of watch time in the first half of 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the second most watched Disney+, original TV season,
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[SPEAKER_01]: by both minute stream and estimated session views in the US, yet that show was canceled after one season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are legitimate questions to be asked about why this show was canceled.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't say the numbers anymore when it got two billion minutes of you time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Daredevil born again, got 2.2 billions, the second season, 2.2 billion minutes of watch time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you could argue, there was a season one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could argue there were three seasons of Daredevil on fucking Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is way more of a ramp up than say Wonderman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that it was only what 200,000 minutes behind Daredevil season a Daredevil season to board again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a massive achievement.
42:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's even more questions to be asked about why a show like this was canceled.
42:44
[SPEAKER_01]: When you, when you could have easily had a second season of this show, when Death and Daniel Crette was already on board to come back, even after the success of Spider-Man, the show runners said they were assembling a writer's room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He already had broad store lines he was going to tell in season two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And both Yaya and Sir Ben Kingsley were excited to come back and be a part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are questions to be asked here about Disney and the moves that they're making and the lessons that they're learning from these mistakes and from these successes, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing about Wonder Man vs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Daredevil is Daredevil's a way bigger character than Wonder Man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know, what is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they're really different.
43:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the fact that in the first season it was even close to a show that had been going on for a long time is a huge thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But clearly, they need to find a vision of, okay, what's the next decade of Disney?
43:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we know what the last thing has been.
43:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not that they're not going to continue to make movies for the MCU or Star Wars films or things like that.
43:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, they got to make some moves.
43:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
43:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when you look at the summer movie season, I think there's some real decisions that need to be made.
43:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, Josh Diomaro is clearly making these decisions, because they are deciding what shows to continue making, what shows not to continue making, what movies to continue making, and he's laying off people to kind of streamline Disney.
44:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to see what the results are as this goes forward.
44:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, for every Lilo and Stitch that does a billion dollars, there is a Moana that completely eats dirt.
44:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you have to ask questions about where they're going, the decisions they're making about these films that are coming up.
44:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Doomsday is going to blow up at the end of the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No doubt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have, it's going to be interesting to see how much that ends up.
44:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Spider-Man is blown up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, that's mostly Sony, not so much Disney Marvel, even though the Disney Marvel approach is probably the reason why it's being successful.
44:42
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at the Sony track record with those Spider-Man movies and the subsequent Spider-Verse movies, the live action ones.
44:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's it's going to be interesting to see what Disney does going for what chances they take and what moves they may because you talk about them purchasing all this people they also purchase Fox and took over all this all this stuff all this IP and I would argue they're doing better with like Aliens IP and the predator IP
45:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But not necessarily with the X-Men IP yet, we'll see what happens when that movie comes out.
45:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the cast was received with excitement, but not overwhelming excitement.
45:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they have their work cut out for them in trying to make sure that that all works by the time they get to that movie, we'll see as well.
45:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, anything more do you want to make sure we hit on Steve anything else about the summer box of his movie season because we got so we got like 13 questions that people have sent us on super chat.
45:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see any stream labs yet, but some super chat questions for sure for us to get into, but is there anything more you want to talk about any of the movies?
45:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we didn't even touch on Devour's product too.
45:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know how much is that an anomaly?
45:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that was that about 20 years waiting for that sequel?
45:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Was that a top gun?
45:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Maverick situation like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts on anything else in the summer movie season that we maybe didn't touch on?
45:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we did talk about Devoros Prado 2 in a short, but my feeling of right.
46:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is a top gun Maverick situation except that it's a much less good movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it's a great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really want people have a tremendous amount of love for the first level where it's brought up and people were excited to go revisit that world and they did and I know a lot of people loved it and that's great.
46:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not particularly love it.
46:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I had, you know, but it's okay.
46:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you the movie I would love to talk about that we have talked about because when you talked about it before I hadn't seen it, but now I have which is Michael.
46:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Michael is a fascinating movie because what was so interesting about it was if I divorce myself from what I know or what many people have speculated or what he was accused of in his later life right
46:49
[SPEAKER_00]: That's totally different movie, but if, so if I divorce myself from that, that is a totally entertaining movie that I think really works with incredible musical performances.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she's, I mean, they're off the charts grade.
47:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Both the guy they got to play adult Michael and kid Michael are fantastic.
47:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're just really, really successful movies, but it feels really weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it goes awesome in the film, but it feels really weird watching it.
47:19
[SPEAKER_00]: What is this setting up?
47:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this setting up just this really sweet guy who finally stands up for himself?
47:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Sort of because I was funny watching the movie.
47:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, man, I thought I was conflict-averse.
47:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's gonna be, I mean, but I was totally involved when he was disingenendancing.
47:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this is, it made me, I never want to see a Michael Jackson concert.
47:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And it really made me, I was so blown away and re-appreciated Michael Jackson's incredible talent.
47:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then there's this other weird side of what's not in the movie that feels very strange.
47:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, you know, I, I think you, we've talked about it off camera and then my review as well.
47:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you watched it by the, yeah, my feelings or Mike, I think we did a review of it on the on the keep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's my feeling is basically it's a fun movie.
48:05
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a Michael Jackson fan, it has literally no way to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Almost no emotional way to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They never explore the issues his brothers had with him and the job was in all the stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the brothers are non-existent, non-existent, that's the same to me.
48:22
[SPEAKER_01]: At least if you're going to do that there's no conflict with them, at least let us get to know them.
48:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because those of us who are Michael Jackson fans, and don't give me this nonsense from Michael's point of view, Michael's point of view is I was around my brothers all the time, just show me that point of view.
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Tito Randy all of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were integral parts of Michael's growing up story.
48:44
[SPEAKER_01]: What was it like for their younger brother to come in essentially be the superstar?
48:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't even tell me that there wasn't jealousy amongst those especially with a fucked up dad like that that raised them There's no way that they have like the emotional mental health be well-being to be like oh
48:58
[SPEAKER_01]: This is okay.
48:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine with this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's stuff to explore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that Janet Jackson didn't want to be in the movie, I think is as a massive sign as well.
49:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that it was at Latoya or one of the Jackson's came out and, oh yeah, a Paris Jackson, Michael's daughter said that she didn't like what they did with the movie and the way they approached his story.
49:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's true, it's a fun movie for a Michael Jackson fan.
49:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not a good movie if you're looking to explore what really went on behind the scenes and the drama and the controversies is I think they absolutely emasculated him and whitewash him like crazy throughout this entire film because let me tell you something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael was a motherfucking badass and there are quite a few people who work with Michael who will tell you Michael had a white voice and Michael had a black voice and black voice got
49:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And wife voice was for the public.
49:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And so these are the things that I wanted to explore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Show me the real Michael Jackson, not this fan base, not since show me the real Michael Jackson.
49:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where the film let me down.
49:59
[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, if I commit a billion dollars, so what the hell do I know, Steve?
50:03
[SPEAKER_01]: They might that sequel might come out and apparently it came out this week that they're going to address the allegations through Michael's point of view because they feel like Michael is the victim.
50:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's going to be really it's going to get weird.
50:17
[SPEAKER_01]: If that experiment works will that experiment work.
50:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know because I contrast it.
50:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you've seen it yet Steve, but the Tony film is out.
50:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't wait.
50:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my I put my just a little self promotion for people are what my review is up on my channel for people to watch.
50:34
[SPEAKER_01]: My thoughts on this just about eight minutes talking about movie and I know we're going to do a short on it because I It's Steve is the one who got me kitchen confidential a few years ago, and I was fascinated by the film And I think this is a good biopic because it explores Anthony more damn warts and all with no fear and I Appreciate it that so when you compare that to Michael or Bohemian rapcitor or some or even the Elvis movie that LeBaz Lerman did those are fun for fans
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[SPEAKER_01]: but like to really explore these people, I think you get more out of it when you show their human warts and all because we as human beings can connect that much more than we can just being fans of a film in my opinion.
51:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, it goes to what is your point of making this and it felt like the point of making the Michael movie was to celebrate Michael Jackson and look, I don't know what happened with allegations with Michael Jackson.
51:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
51:30
[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of weird stuff and I don't want to condemn someone, but there's a lot there and just to get back to the thing you said about the brothers, it was so bad and people can take this however they like, but I couldn't tell which brother was which.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because they didn't, you know, this is a basic thing you have to do in screenwriting and in directing is you have to name people relatively early in your movie and have a shot of them so we go, oh yeah, that's who that is,
51:57
[SPEAKER_00]: There's there's zero differentiation between those brothers is characters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's zero generation zero difference between the daughters.
52:06
[SPEAKER_00]: There was no like like there's a moment in the movie where one of the brothers is singing sings a long part and Michael's holding little kid Michaels holding the microphone for him.
52:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, who was that?
52:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And do they want more solo time?
52:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Do they get jealous when Michael, like if Michael starts singing again and the audience goes crazy when he starts, give a reaction shot of how that makes the brother feel.
52:31
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like show me a little bit of what's going on in the family because what they did was they made it all about, and Coleman Domingo's dad is so amazing.
52:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here I'm going to say two options.
52:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Acting wise, he is amazing.
52:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, character wise, I'm just like Jesus Christ, a certain point, you know, and it hurts the character of Mom too because Right, right, she kind of stands up to him at the very end after allowing him to be abusive this whole time and it's like And I'm not saying that didn't happen, but I am saying that that wasn't great character development for her or the relationship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This should have been a three hour movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They should have been a three hour movie Michael it should have because I think that's what they present some interesting like the first part of the movie I'm like Fuck yeah, let's go.
53:19
[SPEAKER_01]: This is great.
53:20
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not shying away from stuff.
53:21
[SPEAKER_01]: You're see like when he reaches for this belt That gave me shades of PTSD because they're certainly my dad had made that move a couple of times with me and it scared the fuck out of me to see it And the way they showed it and the screen all the screaming the fact that they're the guts
53:34
[SPEAKER_01]: to have you hear the screaming off camera as Michael is being beat with that belt.
53:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, we got ourselves a real good biopic.
53:42
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not afraid to go in these places.
53:44
[SPEAKER_01]: They're so explore it.
53:45
[SPEAKER_01]: But then as the film goes along, that interaction with him and Joe becomes something out of a lifetime movie, instead of what you set up in the first part of the film.
53:54
[SPEAKER_01]: There, I'm sure they were knocked down.
53:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Drag out fights for him and his father.
53:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure his father put his hands on him way more than that one time we saw.
54:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And so to me, that's where the ball gets dropped.
54:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the brother stuff as well.
54:05
[SPEAKER_01]: But how did they react to being beaten by their dad?
54:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's explore that.
54:09
[SPEAKER_01]: What happened?
54:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael trying to break away.
54:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Why isn't that explored more?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when he has the competition through the father, those needed to be meteor, then what they were so that when he finally does
54:20
[SPEAKER_01]: behind us, stand up to his dad at the end.
54:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It has a little more weight, resonance, and context to it.
54:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what was frustrating in the middle part of the movie.
54:30
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, let me tell you something else, people who are watching a listening to us like that right now.
54:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Jackson fucked.
54:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Jackson got it on in the 70s y'all.
54:38
[SPEAKER_01]: He got it on.
54:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that there's none.
54:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she's out of my life has been rumored to be about Tatum O'Neill, even though she denies it, or I think she said it, but other people denied.
54:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Jackson got around this idea that he was this pristine soft sweetheart guy who sat in his room get the fuck out of here.
54:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael got it on.
54:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael was in studio 54 for God 6.
54:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Many, many nights.
55:00
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just think this is all nonsense.
55:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Just utter nonsense.
55:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it does a disservice to the character of Michael Jackson or to the person of Michael Jackson.
55:09
[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, fans don't want that clearly.
55:12
[SPEAKER_01]: They were happy with a very milk toast white wash version of Michael Jackson that was sweet and they could spend their money on and feel good about their fandom of fame.
55:21
[SPEAKER_01]: we'll see how the second half goes uh... you know the sequel because we got we got we got Scientology and Lisa Marie Presley we got stuff going on with him breaking away from people and separating himself out from other from people in his family there's drama that goes on here the jumps and subused which is only alluded to the further plastic surgery to make him whiter
55:41
[SPEAKER_01]: What, how are they going to explore all of that?
55:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be fascinating.
55:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And you left out the biggest one.
55:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, multiple accusations.
55:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right.
55:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Child molestation.
55:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
55:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're addressing that for sure.
55:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see how that all plays itself up.
55:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, anything more for the summer movies season or shall we jump into these questions about it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do some questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
56:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do some questions here.
56:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll wrap it all up at the end to talk about some movies season analysis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Colton wrote it with some Colton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Says London call and crazy that obsession is made 19 million dollars more to date than disclose your day supergirl and masters of the universe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come by.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's no, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is insane.
56:25
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's good.
56:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I think shaking up Hollywood right now is good.
56:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, well, you talk about the 70s and the 90s independent movie wave shook up Hollywood as well.
56:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So why not?
56:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this is the time for it to get shaken up again.
56:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, says could we maybe expect Star Trek 2009 this year?
56:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I'm going to say probably not.
56:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Our year is pretty pretty packed, but I'd love to do it.
56:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it'd be a lot of fun.
56:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe next year.
56:56
[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about 2009 and we've talked about Star Trek five many, many times over this year.
57:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've got to line up mats for a double bill on those at some point next year for sure.
57:07
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... while he goes back broke i saw tony yesterday was speaking which and it's now my favorite move the of the year well replacing charlie xyx the moment i've seen that one love the music and character piece would be a great set of all's future episode in ten years i got a feeling that's even i might even do a one take on that that's what i was gonna say yeah
57:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been on a boarding kick just recently.
57:30
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a new biography out on him that I listened to.
57:34
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a book of essays of his that I had never listened to.
57:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I listened to.
57:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've been kind of, and he is a complicated, grumpy, crumudiently unpredictable person.
57:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know a lot about that story when he was coming up when he first started cooking.
57:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I've read multiple books that talk about it.
57:52
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of craziness.
57:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm very curious to see how the movie handles it.
57:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's some craziness in that movie.
57:57
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
57:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Put you right, it says, I may be in the minority, but I loved brand new day more than the Odyssey.
58:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I love them both, but the humanity of spider man to save everyone and be loved only to come home to be lonely, just hit me, take care.
58:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're in the minority.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And that take because the film is made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: well over two billion dollars, as opposed to the Odyssey.
58:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think a lot of people like brand new day of the Odyssey, Steve.
58:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you've picked two of the most successful and most critically acclaimed and beloved movies of the summer.
58:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you're cool, whichever one you liked more.
58:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, honestly, Spider-Man brand new day is a more likable movie.
58:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the Odyssey is likable, right?
58:43
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, like the end of brand new day.
58:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, the cave, this all feels pretty good.
58:47
[SPEAKER_00]: At the end of the Odyssey, I'm like,
58:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, how's a lot of stuff?
58:51
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I agree, I agree.
58:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the humanitarian spite of the Savior I want to be loved only to come home to be lonely.
58:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, this is, again, this idea of coming home to be lonely.
59:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a massive part of the success of that movie.
59:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And people love spite of it.
59:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Steve.
59:08
[SPEAKER_01]: This, this character, you know, I said this on numerous shows that this might be the greatest comp, greatest superhero character ever, I've been saying this for a few weeks now, and it's just fascinating to see how big it's exploded and seeing how, even today, T. H. R. Variety, Owen Gleberman, wrote, I think it was Variety, wrote a whole article of why do people love Spider-Man as much as they do breaking down all of these reasons, but I think you can say,
59:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's an organic unexplainable thing.
59:37
[SPEAKER_01]: You can mention all the reasons, but people just have a thing that maybe you can't even put into words that they love Spider-Man and they'll go with him or just let any journey you want to put him in.
59:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Even that amazing Spider-Man one that everybody hates the second one made $800 million.
59:51
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know.
59:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's the most relatable superhero.
59:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't really, you know, as a kid, my favorite was Superman, but you get really relate to Superman, when he's done really well, you can find Clark relatable.
1:00:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Bruce Wayne is a crazy person, and you can really, you know what it is?
1:00:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I think it is, is that with Bruce Wayne, we relate to one part of him.
1:00:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is, yes, the vengeance and the, you know, let you know me and the, and with other superhero characters, you relate to a different part where a Spider man more than any other superhero, I think it's fully human, he fully feels like one of us and struggling with the things that we struggle with.
1:00:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because a majority of us are born.
1:00:34
[SPEAKER_01]: with powers like Superman essentially because he came to earth and the yellow sun and all of that or born into wealth like Bruce was and can use that money to become a crime fighter spider-man is like all of us born into a situation or a most of us born into a situation not a lot of money got to pay the bills got to take those photos got to go to school and love with a girl who's a little bit out of our league like there's a lot of or someone rather could be girl man whatever
1:01:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that relates to a majority of the world, I think.
1:01:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's another reason why he's so relatable.
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_01]: You're so right on that, Steve.
1:01:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Jonathan Peck, uh, six to one.
1:01:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you for the very kind super chat, Jonathan.
1:01:14
[SPEAKER_01]: So kind of you.
1:01:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
1:01:15
[SPEAKER_01]: With with Nolan, it seems like the only filmmaker today who puts a movie out in theaters and makes money.
1:01:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people of my generation have said he cemented his status is our generation Spielberg in terms of event movie and marketing thoughts on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think the comment that you made as we were going through our season of Oppenheimer was that he is this mix of Spielberg and Kubrick, and I still stand by what you were saying, because I think there are elements of the Kubrick sort of filmmaker, the avant-garde, the pressure, the envelope, the abstraction, the complexity, but he also is delivering popcorn movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's sort of that Spielberg element.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's so interesting to me is that he's almost anti marketing, I mean, the guy, you know, like, yes, there was a huge, huge media blitz for Odyssey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw those people everywhere doing interviews and stuff like that, but it wasn't like Odyssey was relentlessly marketed in the way that some of the other big summer blockbusters were, it was much more that he managed to get people excited about it, not that it was marketed so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I also think the right way in backlash in a way helped him as well because it made that movie top of mind for a number of weeks and people maybe went in wanting to hate it and came out loving it.
1:02:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And people who were maybe maybe weren't that aware of the movie saw on on the right side of things saw all the hullabaloo were like, well, I'm going to check this thing out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it a lot of ways.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of that helped as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it captured a pop culture zeitgeist situation, but also Christopher Nolan has spent years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: creating trust with the audience that they're way more often than not are going to see a great film if they go see a Christopher Nolan
1:03:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think here's yet another example of it, with the Odyssey, people are even more excited for the next Christopher Nolan film.
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna have to wait three years for it, but they're going to be even more excited to see it.
1:03:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think this is the age of the director, as a lot of people have said Steve, and you can throw Ryan Kooler into that mix.
1:03:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe you're gonna throw Denieville a new video that mix after doing three comes out, even though the last two doom films did really well.
1:03:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this is going to be interesting because as you see Spielberg and Scorsese, maybe really Scott, Michael Mann just kind of falling down in terms of box office, not necessarily quality.
1:03:51
[SPEAKER_01]: You see other names taking those spots and Nolan certainly leading the way.
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Billy Wilder was still making movies in the late 60s, and I think into the early 70s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we weren't really talking about it that much.
1:04:06
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some later John Ford movies that we don't really talk about that much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is normal for filmmakers when they get into their 70s and 80s, maybe aren't producing at the top of their game or being the most important filmmakers making film at that time.
1:04:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what makes Eastwood an anomaly.
1:04:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You could argue that Eastwood's films later in life are better than the ones he did at the beginning of his career as a direct.
1:04:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas with Billy Wilder, there's a lot at the beginning, or Mike Nichols, there's a lot of them.
1:04:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Or Tarantino is never really made a bad movie, even though I think,
1:04:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Jackie Brown at times for me isn't the greatest, in comparison to the other ones, but all of them are essentially very good movies, you know, so, yeah, it's a chef's proof isn't my favorite, but, oh, fair, fair, fair.
1:04:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, his batting average, as much, you know, I have issues with Tarantino as you know, but yeah, he's a great filmmaker and his batting average is super high.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_00]: He's never, you know, other, and that cause death proof is a weird experiment, and everything else is like the quality and the craftsmanship is always top notch.
1:05:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I would answer this with Jonathan.
1:05:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I was really really interested in Steve was talking a little bit here.
1:05:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just want to say to you on this, I think he's the next evolution.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is not this generation Spielberg.
1:05:25
[SPEAKER_01]: He is the evolution of Spielberg and as Steve pointed out, I said, Spielberg and Kubrick, by combining Kubrick, who, by the way, Spielberg was a fan of and they worked together on AI.
1:05:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I just want to shut.
1:05:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that they had already come, the means or sensibilities were already somewhat emm-emashed.
1:05:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So Nolan makes sense as the evolution of the next Spielberg.
1:05:52
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that makes sense, he's not this generation's Spielberg, he's an evolution.
1:05:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's important for us going forward, right?
1:06:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he was the voice of you and I, Steve, for a few decades, you know, a lot of stuff.
1:06:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, NASA says, hey, Stinophiles.
1:06:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I think 2026 has been a mostly successful year from movie so far.
1:06:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the bigger budgeted movie struggle early on, but in June and July, they hit with Avengers.
1:06:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing we should say is that the model of the film industry, like if a studio comes out with 10 films, their hope is they know that two of them are probably going to bomb, and a bunch of them are going to kind of sit in the middle, and they're hoping that two or three will do well, and that one will be a monster hit.
1:06:40
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a successful, you know, this is a highly risky business and the expectation is never that every movie is going to hit it out of the park.
1:06:48
[SPEAKER_00]: That almost never happens.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so there is an expected and the fact that we had the big movies just in the last month, I think does make it different and Hollywood will be looking at it as they're planning their next seasons.
1:07:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just, the thing underneath all the numbers that I point out at the beginning is what gives me a little pause and concern.
1:07:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, are we going to need
1:07:10
[SPEAKER_01]: two billion dollar movies, multiple billion dollar movies to keep the idea that theaters are back afloat or will there be more movies that come out that achieve a modicum of success that reaffirm that point of view because to keep relying on billion dollar blockbusters to indicate that movies are back, I think is a dangerous situation because when two or three of them come out and they're only five that come out in the year
1:07:40
[SPEAKER_01]: then those numbers don't look so good and so it's going to be interesting to see how that happens as we go into next year.
1:07:46
[SPEAKER_01]: How 2027 it's going to be like with the blockbusters coming out there.
1:07:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Racers, just wanting to send in some support and thanks.
1:07:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I love you guys work.
1:07:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, right.
1:07:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
1:07:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:07:57
[SPEAKER_01]: While we back again, could we have another independent movement like in the 90s?
1:08:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish, I want, I hope, you know, the, you know, as you were talking about, the, do, are we going to depend upon billion dollar movies?
1:08:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: of only swinging for the fences and having your entire economic model based on whether or not you make a billion to two billion dollars.
1:08:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying whether that's bad business although I think it is, but I do think it's bad for film.
1:08:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when we did a year or two ago we did a live show just talking about 80s comedies.
1:08:35
[SPEAKER_00]: We must have listed 150 comedies.
1:08:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he has always regular that there would be relatively inexpensive, you know, a 20 million dollar comedy starring Dan Acroyd and another 20 million comedy starring this people and and that was great.
1:08:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And there would be romantic comedies and there would be horror movies and there would be dramas and they were all relative their, they were swinging to make base hits or dumb.
1:08:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they made a triple or home run that's fantastic, but the budgets are relatively low, and so as long as people who are a fan of whatever that thing is, go to the theater and a certain amount of numbers, we're okay.
1:09:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's good for film.
1:09:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And swinging them for the fences, I believe, is not.
1:09:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
1:09:16
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing we didn't touch on Steven.
1:09:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
1:09:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't bring this up as a talking point.
1:09:19
[SPEAKER_01]: We should address it real quick.
1:09:21
[SPEAKER_01]: The premium format explosion.
1:09:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I think has been a fascinating thing for you and I who would love to go see movies in the best format possible.
1:09:30
[SPEAKER_01]: This has been kind of fascinating to see how something you and I really enjoyed and felt was always around.
1:09:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems to have exploded over the last, over this summer with the Odyssey.
1:09:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And now with, with June 3, having a lot of their 70 millimeter IMAX screening sold out, the battle between IMAX versus Infinity Vision for, for Spider-Man and coming up for
1:09:59
[SPEAKER_01]: with the IMAX 70 millimeter, as I said, this 40X, the screen X, like it's these premium formats now, are becoming dependable numbers for blockbusters to rely on to augment the box office or provide as a foundation for the box office for these big blockbuster movies as well.
1:10:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is something that you've been saying since we started the cinephiles that I kind of resisted, but seems to have really turned out to be true, which is that one of the driving forces is turning it into an event that if you're going to get me out of my house and get me away from my streaming and my cocktail and my comfy chair that you need to provide something that is bigger than just walking into a movie theater.
1:10:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And that certainly has proven to be true.
1:10:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think
1:10:45
[SPEAKER_00]: There are good things about it, one of the good things is I like seeing a movie in a really good movie theater.
1:10:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't necessarily have to be IMAX, but a great screen with great sound that makes a huge difference for me.
1:10:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So in that sense, driving people to those theaters, driving movies to put material in those theaters and theater companies to build.
1:11:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet we're going to see a whole lot more IMAX theaters built in the next 10 years because of what happened with the Odyssey.
1:11:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's good.
1:11:11
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's kind of the opposite of the thing I said in the for the last question was I want there to be those 20 million 40 million 50 million dollar movies not everything swinging for the fences and that's not where the giant iMac screen is helping out that's not how to draw those people you know right.
1:11:27
[SPEAKER_01]: That's actually a point.
1:11:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeff made this point a couple of weeks ago on this hot mic.
1:11:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He said it missed his anger.
1:11:33
[SPEAKER_01]: So strip away his anger.
1:11:34
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's like, my worry is that people aren't going to see these movies because they're being told that the best way to watch these movies is IMAX 70 millimeter.
1:11:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you can't get into a screening, you're going to wait two months to see the movie when you can see it perfectly fine at any regular movie theater and enjoy the experience.
1:11:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there is validity to what Jeff is saying, because I mean, Steve, you and I grow up, we can watch classic movies for the first or great movies for the first time and even black and white television, or small television, or VHS, or PANNN scan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the PANNN 4 by 3 PANNN scan.
1:12:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were still able to appreciate the greatness of those movies.
1:12:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So format is form, the format explosion is great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I hope it doesn't lead to people not going to see these movies in regular format because they want to wait to see it in in the premium format.
1:12:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see when I when I went off to college.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a I think it was a five inch black and white TV and I watched tons of stuff on the five inch black and white TV because that's what I had and it was great.
1:12:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, please.
1:12:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched the first and most Lawrence of Arabia was on a 12-age black and white tube television that was this long that I flipped the channel on to watch on Metro Media 5.
1:12:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah as Sir David Lean intended.
1:12:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Please.
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[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Friends, as my kids believe me when I say a movie is good or a masterpiece, but that doesn't mean they're going to watch it because they're probably not.
1:12:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess alluding to your comment earlier.
1:13:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, talking to your son.
1:13:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:13:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
1:13:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Darren Wright says, I love the cinephiles, that is all I have spoken.
1:13:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, guys, you can't argue with that.
1:13:12
[SPEAKER_01]: No, absolutely.
1:13:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Alan Smith, he was up Smith.
1:13:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, he says, uh, we know at this point that major studios will use AI for their special effects.
1:13:20
[SPEAKER_01]: The MCU Star Wars, the DCU will use massive amounts of AI.
1:13:23
[SPEAKER_01]: No doubt in my mind.
1:13:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are we still supporting this?
1:13:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Good question.
1:13:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, that is a big question.
1:13:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, I think many complicated things.
1:13:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I think AI is here and not going away.
1:13:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:13:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I think AI is a useful tool that I have used.
1:13:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I think AI has become a useful tool by stealing the work of millions and millions of people who did not give consent.
1:13:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:13:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that we are not in control of AI as evidenced by the recent AI breakouts and hacking and a lot of scary things that are going on.
1:14:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we aren't, you know, we just finished Oppenheimer.
1:14:03
[SPEAKER_00]: and Oppenheimer should be forcing us to ask serious questions about dangerous technology before we fully commit to it, and we are not asking those questions.
1:14:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I think this is a hugely complicated question, but I do think this is going to happen in some ways.
1:14:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going away.
1:14:24
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and it's only going to get more
1:14:32
[SPEAKER_01]: geek buddy Michael Vogel on our on our geek buddy's thread sent us an AI video and it was stunning who's shocking and to next year both Roger Avery and the director of the crow, Alex Brass are releasing AI movies full screen.
1:14:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, full AI movies, not shorts.
1:14:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Fult, oh, whatever you say it, yeah, and movies are coming out, it'll be out in 1,500 theaters.
1:15:02
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the deal they struck and announced earlier this week.
1:15:05
[SPEAKER_01]: 1,500 movie theaters are going to show this.
1:15:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not going anywhere, whether you support it or not Smithy, there's no ending it.
1:15:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like...
1:15:14
[SPEAKER_01]: practical effects.
1:15:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Those things got pushed out by special effects.
1:15:19
[SPEAKER_01]: They're still occasionally practical effects.
1:15:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly we saw the recently in Star Wars, but it isn't when anywhere near where it was in the past.
1:15:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And so AI is the next evolution of that.
1:15:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you have people like Ben Affleck selling their AI to Netflix, people like Brad Pitt saying AI is good because the
1:15:35
[SPEAKER_01]: The movie you're talking about, Steve, the $40 to $50 million movie gets made because it can save money using AI.
1:15:42
[SPEAKER_01]: This thing is not going anywhere.
1:15:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can darky-hoady this all you want, and I think there's nothing wrong with that.
1:15:48
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the end, you're not going to win this battle.
1:15:50
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going anywhere.
1:15:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is, someone right now is working on another version of AI down the road that is not AI.
1:15:59
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's the next evolution of it down the road.
1:16:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So it just never will end.
1:16:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, A, more disturbingly, the current AI models are working on the building the next AI models themselves.
1:16:11
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
1:16:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I do think where I agree that this is happening and we cannot stop it.
1:16:19
[SPEAKER_00]: The idea that this is a binary that we will either have AI or there will be zero AI, that is not reality.
1:16:25
[SPEAKER_00]: There is going to be AI.
1:16:26
[SPEAKER_00]: But how we use it and how it uses us is a question that we really need to delve into that we're not talking about.
1:16:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And in particular, it's like, I'm not worried about Martin Scorsese making a movie with AI.
1:16:37
[SPEAKER_00]: If he wants to, he has mastered filmmaking.
1:16:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And if he feels like that's how he wants to do it, I'm much more worried about all the young people coming up in this environment because the whole way you learn how to tell stories is by doing all the shit work.
1:16:50
[SPEAKER_00]: and by going through it over and over and over again, I believe I have a good year for both writing dialogue and editing dialogue and the reason that I have that year is because I've edited dialogue and written dialogue for 30 years.
1:17:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and failed all the time and you develop an ear for the human voice and how it sounds.
1:17:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't, and I could tell AI, right now, could edit the hearts of the cinephiles that I do myself by taking out, um, and, you know, little things that I do clean stuff up, right?
1:17:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want it to do it because I want to hear the words and I want the rhythm to be what I want it to be, you know, and this is this thing that's going to happen is, yeah, you're going to hand a whole bunch of power to a whole bunch of people to make movies that look like movies because the AI's going to look really, really good.
1:17:37
[SPEAKER_00]: But the whole thing where we started this conversation was the audience's desire to see original human artistic creations that speak to them in this moment.
1:17:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And that ain't going to be AI that's going to be people making films, not AI.
1:17:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say I wish it was as confident about it as you are,
1:18:03
[SPEAKER_01]: might not be as discerning about this stuff because the new generation is engrossed in AI and to them, that's as natural as breathing.
1:18:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't think they're going to see the separation of it the way we will.
1:18:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And as it gets better and becomes more
1:18:22
[SPEAKER_01]: can master the medium more.
1:18:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we are going to see fully AI films that affect us emotionally, like animated films affect us.
1:18:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, a school of fish, right?
1:18:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if they can make us care about these characters through AI, we may see that happen.
1:18:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know yet, I don't have a will, but I don't think the possibility is zero.
1:18:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really scary, you know.
1:18:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, no, I totally agree with you.
1:18:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And the area in particular is what people talk about is people tend to go, well, will AI be able to be Shakespeare or be Hemingway or make a film like Stanley Kubrick does?
1:18:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not worried about that at all.
1:19:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I think those are unique genius individuals who did unique genius stuff.
1:19:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:19:06
[SPEAKER_00]: The question is, will AI be able to replace the mid-leign adequate slightly below average popsong ad copy sports writer?
1:19:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:19:17
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to watch all those middle jobs and there are all sorts of things where a cheesy pops on comes out and goes viral and people really like it.
1:19:25
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't, you know, it's not the greatest song in the world, but it has a good beat and you can dance to it.
1:19:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, and people are into it for that moment.
1:19:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Can AI make that song?
1:19:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're going to make that song.
1:19:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Will AI make this sort of cheesy sitcom?
1:19:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, AI will be able to do that.
1:19:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Will they be able to make cheers or sign-filled?
1:19:41
[SPEAKER_00]: No, probably not.
1:19:43
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not the vast majority of entertainment.
1:19:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the middling stuff and it's going to come after all of that.
1:19:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you say this, uh, because I just looked up an interview because I just seen this as a headline, uh, course a Roman through social media earlier this morning, but Dr. Dre spoke about AI in a recent interview in New York Times today, him and Jimmy, Iovine, the interviews up, uh, and Dr. Dre said, I think the only people that see AI is a threat are the people who have trouble creating.
1:20:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a discussion with a few people a few days ago, they were against AI and I'm like, okay, you sound like the person that would have been against the drum machine when it came out or synthesizers, right?
1:20:19
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a new tool for creativity.
1:20:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people are afraid of learning new things.
1:20:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So, he uses it as a tool to see what it would do, which is what Jimmy Ayovine did.
1:20:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's timbulent.
1:20:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Another brilliant producer is using it as, by the way, there's a lot of
1:20:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's an interesting situation that keeps evolving and who uses it.
1:20:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you're seeing more and more artists coming out blatantly saying that they're using an i's Steve, they're not as afraid of it anymore, uh, talking about it.
1:20:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And as you said, it's, it's in the middle area where we're going to really see the usage of it, you know, so you're.
1:20:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael McKenzie says under it hit in the summer is the furious.
1:21:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
1:21:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever have a scene again?
1:21:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to see it.
1:21:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to see it.
1:21:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I promise.
1:21:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll try much this week and we could do a show or something on it.
1:21:10
[SPEAKER_01]: We must do a show on that when you watch it.
1:21:12
[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a good film.
1:21:14
[SPEAKER_01]: KJ 7457 in Bohemian Rhapsody.
1:21:16
[SPEAKER_01]: There were so many historical inaccuracies in the film, but yet fans at critics love it.
1:21:19
[SPEAKER_01]: So the inaccuracies were just ignored.
1:21:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, they weren't ignored because quite a few people wrote articles about.
1:21:25
[SPEAKER_01]: what was ignored the problem, but the majority of the public didn't care because they just enjoyed the movie and it caught the moment at the right time.
1:21:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Bohemian Rhapsody makes $900 million if it came out now.
1:21:38
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a something about that story at that time.
1:21:41
[SPEAKER_01]: with that actor playing Freddie Mercury that Robbie Malick that seemed to capture people's attention.
1:21:46
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you thought?
1:21:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is this thing we've been talking about since the beginning of the cinephiles, which is, there is historical accuracy, and there are good movies, and there are great movies that are not necessarily historically accurate, and there are historically accurate movies that aren't necessarily great.
1:22:02
[SPEAKER_00]: One is not, they don't, you know, you and I have talked over and over again.
1:22:06
[SPEAKER_00]: We both love Braveheart, not historically accurate.
1:22:09
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's sort of a question of where does it, how does it affect you and how you know this is what we just talked about with Michael and I don't I don't have a good answer to the question there are movies that I love that are not accurate and there are movies whose inaccuracies really really bug me like a great film one that is a truly a great film that we did on the show whose inaccuracies really really bug me is the social network.
1:22:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And now we're about to get a sequel to the social network who's where I do believe that is it's even more serious topic today.
1:22:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I believe that movie is going to be about, then it was when the first film came out.
1:22:49
[SPEAKER_00]: But my guess is it's also going to be terribly historically inaccurate.
1:22:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know how to feel about that.
1:22:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be great.
1:22:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure the dialogue will be great.
1:22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:22:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Well,
1:22:59
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... for desks says a michael fighting joe could have looked like prints in his dad and purple rain so happy they didn't yeah i mean i remember prints in his dad and purple rain yeah it's i think that in michael is the and i don't know if michael jackson ever really did stand up to his father but the way they just never quite did did not make it a satisfying movie
1:23:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it really wasn't um that being said purple rain that could be a fun one take for you and I I would love totally haven't seen it a long time sure.
1:23:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:23:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:23:34
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a great 4k out for anybody who hasn't got it yet.
1:23:37
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good Michael McKenzie says Matt Johnson is having a Spielberg year with two great movies this year.
1:23:43
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you guys hoping for 30 rest of the year?
1:23:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I want digger to be great
1:23:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, why am I blanking Matt Johnson?
1:23:51
[SPEAKER_01]: What am I not catching?
1:23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's Tony, I think.
1:23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, right with Nirvana, right, right, sorry about that guys.
1:24:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Matt Johnson, yes, with Nirvana and Tony, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
1:24:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So, right, good point.
1:24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen nothing, I haven't, I haven't Nirvana the band, the show, sitting on my thing, I'm gonna see Tony this week.
1:24:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have no opinion other than that, I've been all of a sudden in a way I've been hearing about this stuff
1:24:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Are there any films you're looking forward to in the fall here that you like right off the top of your head anything?
1:24:27
[SPEAKER_01]: That is like has your attention beyond doomsday and doom?
1:24:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Three is there anything those definitely
1:24:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, of course you know the top of my head is never very smart.
1:24:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going on a website to go look at fall movie releases Because I don't know what else coming out.
1:24:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll face them out to you.
1:24:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:24:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
1:24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
1:24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Give something.
1:24:46
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
1:24:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You throw some out.
1:24:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Please.
1:24:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, practically won't magic too.
1:24:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Any interesting.
1:24:50
[SPEAKER_01]: That's no.
1:24:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:24:52
[SPEAKER_01]: The uprising which apparently now is the legend of Robin Hood.
1:24:56
[SPEAKER_01]: They released that extra bit to the title over the weekend.
1:25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
1:25:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the new version of resident evil that's coming out from Zach Craig or who did weapons.
1:25:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting that.
1:25:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I web, since he did weapons, maybe a little bit.
1:25:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
1:25:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:25:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Primetime, the Robert Pattinson, one profiling Chris Hanson and the Predator series that was on NBC.
1:25:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think this is not, but I think going down list by list because some of these movies I don't know much about and I don't think I'm going to deliver good entertainment value on this.
1:25:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm using Digger social reckoning and social reckoning absolutely digger.
1:25:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
1:25:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, all right.
1:25:36
[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
1:25:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Clayface.
1:25:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I look, I mean, so what the DC universe is doing is so odd.
1:25:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I liked lanterns, you know, episode one.
1:25:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay.
1:25:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
1:25:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll see clay face.
1:25:48
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, few more.
1:25:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Godzilla minus zero.
1:25:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you like that first ones?
1:25:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you excited?
1:25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
1:25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Very excited about the second one.
1:25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:25:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I play Rocky.
1:25:57
[SPEAKER_01]: The 100%.
1:25:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:25:59
[SPEAKER_00]: We loved it.
1:26:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:26:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Very interesting.
1:26:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Cliff, both.
1:26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you interested in that sequel to the Hollywood?
1:26:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
1:26:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I mean that's, I like taking a Tarantino thing, I don't know, I'm doing it.
1:26:16
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, all right, we'll find out.
1:26:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's keep going with these because we're running out of time.
1:26:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Cations, is do you think that the upcoming Beatles Biopics Biopics can also hit a billion dollars like Michael?
1:26:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Steve, I don't know because it's going to depend on the release strategy because I keep hearing they're going to release one after the other in a four-week span and I think that's going to eat into any box office even if they separate them by a month each it's going to eat into the box office.
1:26:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So I will say the John and the Paul one will do great George then and then Ringo.
1:26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: But what do you think any of these have a shot they had a billion dollars?
1:26:53
[SPEAKER_00]: So as I've said many times, I have zero confidence in my ability to predict anything, and certainly not box office.
1:27:01
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but what I will say from my little vantage point, the Beatles are getting a real resurgence.
1:27:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:27:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear lots of people talking about the Beatles, including and this is just one of the great dad feelings ever.
1:27:15
[SPEAKER_00]: My son has heard the Beatles his whole life because it's always played a lot, but he has really just discovered the Beatles in the last four or five months and really started listening to it.
1:27:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And he hadn't really listened to what I call side two of Abbey Road with the metal.
1:27:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And I recently sent him on, he was said, I'm going to take a long shower and we're talking about it.
1:27:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be wrote.
1:27:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, start with here comes the sun.
1:27:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Go to the end.
1:27:40
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a 20-minute shower.
1:27:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And then come out with me.
1:27:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So he comes out after 20 minutes.
1:27:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, that was the greatest musical experience I've ever had in my life.
1:27:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And I literally almost burst in a tears.
1:27:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It made me so happy.
1:27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he says, the Beatles really are the gift that keeps on giving.
1:27:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like,
1:27:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:27:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
1:27:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have no ability to predict how they will do in box office.
1:28:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope they're great.
1:28:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope they do really well because this is, for me, it's the greatest band of all time and well and every story about them to be is interesting.
1:28:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
1:28:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree 100% you know, you and I both massive beautiful fans.
1:28:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see and man's as well.
1:28:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what ends up happening and how Sam Mendes pulls this off and already over the weekend.
1:28:25
[SPEAKER_01]: They released footage of them walking across Abbey Road, the actors redoing that moment.
1:28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to hit a lot of a lot of us in the fields for sure, but will it be good?
1:28:36
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
1:28:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic says at what point will AI become self-aware and Sarah Connor will
1:28:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I could happen in any time.
1:28:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Sarah caught an hour days would be using AI, ironically.
1:28:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what's so funny is how different science fiction actually, the reality is to the science fiction.
1:28:57
[SPEAKER_00]: This looks like nothing.
1:28:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that if AI destroys the world and I'm not saying it's not going to.
1:29:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to look like the Terminator.
1:29:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It's totally different.
1:29:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're all going to just be using it as our lives slowly become less meaningful and come to an end.
1:29:11
[SPEAKER_01]: there you go.
1:29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: H. B.
1:29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Two nation, who is a better teammate, Tom Brady or Tom from Miller's crossing?
1:29:18
[SPEAKER_00]: On, I would say, approach the question.
1:29:21
[SPEAKER_01]: It depends.
1:29:22
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're, if you're Rob Gronkowski, you say Tom Brady because he takes you wherever he goes and you win titles.
1:29:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would say Tom from Miller's crossing because Tom always has,
1:29:33
[SPEAKER_01]: your best interests in mind even if you forget what your best interests are and get caught up with being a love with a woman that affects your judgment time is still in your corner with your like it or not.
1:29:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I really have no answer to this question.
1:29:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's seem troubling to me.
1:29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's where they're both struggling.
1:29:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Alex, this is an easier question.
1:29:55
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of four rooms, which is undiscussed in the Tarantino for a choreography though?
1:29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It isn't moving.
1:29:59
[SPEAKER_01]: He co-directed.
1:30:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It's roll-dall.
1:30:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen four of them.
1:30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not a team.
1:30:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen four of them.
1:30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I've worked on the DVD, so I saw it many times.
1:30:10
[SPEAKER_00]: My memory is that the aid has the spikids origin because there's the Rodriguez that a spikid short in that.
1:30:19
[SPEAKER_00]: My memory is that the Tarantino is the best movie of those four rooms and I have no desire to watch four rooms again.
1:30:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't he the Bushemi one?
1:30:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the territory?
1:30:29
[SPEAKER_01]: No one.
1:30:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.
1:30:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, he's in all of them.
1:30:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Bushemi Yeah, I think he starts shows up in all of them.
1:30:33
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
1:30:34
[SPEAKER_00]: It was I had that DVD job in the late 90s So it was a long time ago that I watched that.
1:30:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the Madonna one is the Tarantino What I think hmm while you have to use a Steve.
1:30:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I just bought Kitchie confidential after I loved Tony so much What were the other board-dane books you read and would love to but I would love to buy and read them
1:30:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't love any of the other books.
1:30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely love kitchen confidential.
1:30:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I particularly love it as the audiobook, because it's Tony reading it to you, which is great.
1:31:03
[SPEAKER_00]: The other books are Cooks Tor and Medium Raw.
1:31:05
[SPEAKER_00]: They're both really books of essays.
1:31:07
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny.
1:31:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Kitchen confidential is kind of a biography, and then we have a little sequence where he's,
1:31:15
[SPEAKER_00]: running this restaurant for this couple, and then a sequence where he's in this really hot, really fancy place, and he goes, so it's sort of episodic, but it still has somewhat the structure of a biography, whereas a cook store meme raw are books of essays.
1:31:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And some of the essays are great, like the Alice Waters essay.
1:31:36
[SPEAKER_00]: There's an essay, I think it's in medium raw, where there's the dude who prepares the fish, like cleans the fish for Lebanon, burn our den, which is one of the great fish restaurants in the world.
1:31:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And he had never eaten at the Burrardin.
1:31:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Tony watches this fucking master and his description of this guy cleaning fish is like one of the most beautiful things ever read and then takes him to actually eat the food at the restaurant he's worked at for 20 years and never tasted the food so that is a fantastic essay.
1:32:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but not all of the essays are fantastic.
1:32:10
[SPEAKER_00]: So, kitchen confidential hands down, although I will, the one kitchen confidential thing I'll say is that Bourdain definitely does regret the broy, sexist, racist language.
1:32:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the world of the kitchen that he came up in and he does regret that he sort of broadcast that to the world and people wanted to emulate it, you know.
1:32:38
[SPEAKER_01]: My chef connection has told me that was just reflective of what's in most kitchens.
1:32:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't think that's true or not.
1:32:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, yeah, I mean, well, and but he made it so romantic all the right way and all the sex and doing coke and all that stuff that it just see everyone went, yeah, that's what I want.
1:32:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think he made it worse and regretted that he made it worse, not that it wasn't true.
1:33:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
1:33:04
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.
1:33:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Brian of ER83 says this rockford files reboot with actor from bones this January.
1:33:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Leave it alone or cool.
1:33:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been a gardener guy.
1:33:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I never was a rockford files guy, so I could care less.
1:33:18
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think, Steve?
1:33:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So rockford files along with Maverick were two of my dad's favorite TV shows.
1:33:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was a huge James Garner guy.
1:33:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I watched rockford files growing up.
1:33:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Rockford files, it's like kind of, it's sort of in the realm of, you remember, I know you do, Lou Grant when he did the drama.
1:33:39
[SPEAKER_00]: it hasn't rock for files is sort of in that it's the 70s but it's starting to take on more serious drama television.
1:33:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more quirky and interesting.
1:33:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a rocker files reboot sounds great.
1:33:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no opinion on whether or not this will be good.
1:33:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I know some of the other reboots of detective shows have done pretty well so you know okay.
1:33:58
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's David Boreans
1:34:09
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... while you have a system of steve i asked for about what could be those books are out there that are more simple than eight hundred page book you mentioned a hard day's night so that book is great but no there is a great book and it let me get exact uh... i think it's john and paul a love story or so yeah yeah yeah john and paul love story and songs uh... it came out last year it is i think john has it it is
1:34:35
[SPEAKER_00]: the best book on the so that that 800 page one in terms of a completion book, it goes from up till the recording their first album and it's 800 pages.
1:34:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't wait for the other ones to come out.
1:34:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great book, but John and Paul love story moved me to tears over and over again.
1:34:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the most intimate, beautiful discussion of this friendship through their songs that I've ever had totally totally worth your time.
1:35:01
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
1:35:02
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
1:35:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, those are the, um, yeah, there's a couple, but I already didn't give them to you while you know that it's I was going to look a muckin for never, for fantastic war was the gift that keeps on giving for me.
1:35:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Ward, I don't know what war is.
1:35:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, yeah, it could be is there a movie that called war or is it a movie that had the initials W. A. R. Yes, that an anagram.
1:35:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what war is.
1:35:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Fred, can you put it in the chat real quick?
1:35:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Versus, uh, uh, uh, uh, hi John Steve, what's up, verse?
1:35:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I share Dr. Dre's view.
1:35:33
[SPEAKER_01]: The AI debate centers on humanity and how we choose to use it.
1:35:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Nolan's Odyssey stands up, not because of IMAX cameras.
1:35:39
[SPEAKER_01]: When genuine artists harness AI, they can craft stunning art.
1:35:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there is no AI and the Odyssey is there from what I understand.
1:35:46
[SPEAKER_01]: That was all because that's stuff with Syracuse all practical effect.
1:35:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have no idea if there is zero AI.
1:35:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Makes sense of this comments, Steve, I'm not sure.
1:35:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
1:35:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea if there's zero AI in the auto.
1:35:58
[SPEAKER_00]: See, there might be some, but it's largely not AI.
1:36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think, yes, that this why I say is like, I am certain that a genius creator can use AI.
1:36:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, it's like, with the comment, I think that it came from Dr. Dre before of people being against drum machines.
1:36:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if someone was a drummer and they practiced drums, and then got excited about a drum machine, that's great.
1:36:25
[SPEAKER_00]: If someone is a drummer and goes, no, I like physical drums.
1:36:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to play with the drum machine.
1:36:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great, too.
1:36:31
[SPEAKER_00]: If someone can sit down at a keyboard and say, give me a beat like this on this instrument that has these changes and then the computer just hands them the music and they've done nothing other than to a prompt, they're not a musician.
1:36:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what they can do, can they create great art?
1:36:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they can, but that isn't the same as the thing that Dr. Dre is saying about, like an artist who's established in their art and knows what they're doing, gets handed another tool.
1:37:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they might be able to do something great with it.
1:37:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But what does that tool do to the artist who doesn't know anything?
1:37:07
[SPEAKER_00]: What does that tool do to the studio who doesn't give a fuck about artists and doesn't want a higher artist or deal with artists?
1:37:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So they just have AI do all the things that artists used to do.
1:37:17
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the problem.
1:37:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, great points.
1:37:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Dave, absolutely.
1:37:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yes.
1:37:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, all right.
1:37:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So Vincent's water, last one here, what would the first Shakespeare movie be on the center files?
1:37:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And we never done a Shakespeare movie.
1:37:30
[SPEAKER_00]: We have never done the closest we've done his west side story.
1:37:33
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about, we've talked about Henry five.
1:37:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:37:36
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about.
1:37:38
[SPEAKER_01]: There was another one we talked about.
1:37:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
1:37:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
1:37:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we talked.
1:37:44
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
1:37:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't want to do brawness Hamlet because that would be enough.
1:37:48
[SPEAKER_00]: No, there are a couple of months.
1:37:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even like good of a movie.
1:37:51
[SPEAKER_00]: There are things in it that are good, but yeah, I agree.
1:37:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
1:37:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
1:37:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good question.
1:37:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the, I mean, I'd love for us to do.
1:38:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Henry the fifth, as our first official, because I mean, a West Side story, obviously, I mean, because we could do what?
1:38:08
[SPEAKER_01]: We could do Throne of Blood.
1:38:09
[SPEAKER_01]: We, did we do Throne of Blood?
1:38:10
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't done Throne of Blood.
1:38:11
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't done Throne of Blood.
1:38:12
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't done Chimes in Midnight.
1:38:13
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was the one I was going to say great.
1:38:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, Chimes in Midnight.
1:38:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Richard the third, the Macallon one would be a great one to do.
1:38:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet the Romeo and Juliet won the Bosch L'Hurman.
1:38:23
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one, take if we were to do it.
1:38:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I've never seen it.
1:38:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
1:38:28
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be even more fun.
1:38:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:38:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, if I could ever convince you to do Titus, I think that could be an interesting exploration, although it's an uneven movie from Julie James.
1:38:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is great.
1:38:42
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing is this is also why I'm excited that we have one takes.
1:38:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, we'll be able to do more of those
1:38:56
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
1:38:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, John Rogan, Steve, with a care getting a 4K, we release next month.
1:38:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love for you guys to do a breakdown and subscribe, come, we already did.
1:39:02
[SPEAKER_01]: We already did.
1:39:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Years ago, Emma 5 was our guest.
1:39:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And we went through Akida as she taught me to say it correctly.
1:39:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Akida and we went through the whole film.
1:39:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is an episode.
1:39:14
[SPEAKER_01]: You can go download and listen right now to us breaking down Akida with Emma 5, who is a massive fan of that movie.
1:39:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a great experience of conversation with her for sure.
1:39:26
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, any final words here, Steve, was we wrap up our discussion.
1:39:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, we went a little bit longer than we normally do.
1:39:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Your thoughts on the summer movie season, any final words here as we move on from this?
1:39:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, thank you for all the fantastic questions.
1:39:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Did it really appreciated?
1:39:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly gone onto some serious topics.
1:39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd say my feeling of the summer movies is that I am cautiously hopeful.
1:39:53
[SPEAKER_00]: where great movies bomb and shitty movies make a ton of money.
1:39:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I'm not hopeful.
1:40:00
[SPEAKER_00]: What I'm hopeful about this time is that for the most part, the movies that did really well were really good movies and people really clamored for that.
1:40:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And I really hope, now things don't happen instantly in Hollywood, the movie takes two to three years.
1:40:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So the things that they're learning this summer, they're not gonna show up for a little while.
1:40:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But I hope that they're starting to learn the right lessons and maybe going to start us to give us some more exciting filmmaking coming up.
1:40:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I echo a lot of what you said, I think to me what you take away from this is both good and bad, good in that it's great to see that people are still coming out to the movie theaters and large numbers for films that excite them and coming to see them over and over and over again we should make $2 billion or a be even a billion dollars unless it's multiple people going back to experience it over and over again.
1:40:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So that bones well.
1:40:54
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact we have this many billion dollar movies in one year and one summer, but the first time in quite some time, I think speaks volumes to the fact that there is still a huge interest for people to have a communal experience in the theater.
1:41:07
[SPEAKER_01]: My concern and I think the lessons of telling bold stories committing to the gutsiness of your stories, I think that's a very big lesson to come out of the summer.
1:41:18
[SPEAKER_01]: My concern though is we cannot get top heavy because if we get top heavy, movies will capsize.
1:41:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And if that happens, we're headed towards another break in where it's like only the big movies come out theaters.
1:41:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Steve mentioned my conversation years ago, eventizing movies are great.
1:41:35
[SPEAKER_01]: But if they're burying all these smaller films, we're not going to get those smaller films in theaters.
1:41:45
[SPEAKER_01]: could be a dangerous future for films and for filmmakers going forward and AI may have an element of that to play because you can make the films cheaper so you can make more of them but if people still aren't coming out to see them you're still taking a wash financially on these films and that could be a negative.
1:42:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So positive positive but just with a little trepidation underneath is my overall feeling about about the summer movies.
1:42:11
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, there you go.
1:42:11
[SPEAKER_01]: That's our conversation and our episode.
1:42:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all so much for joining us.
1:42:14
[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate you as Steve said.
1:42:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for the stream labs.
1:42:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Or sorry, thanks for the superjets.
1:42:18
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of you said, and thanks for the lively chat.
1:42:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, almost 100 of you joining us.
1:42:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the most we've had in quite some time joining us live.
1:42:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So this has been a fun conversation in you all.
1:42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: We're having fun conversations in the chat as well.
1:42:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Once the last thing, oh, oh, and just a quick announcement.
1:42:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Starting next week we are doing the searchers.
1:42:35
[SPEAKER_01]: We are redoing the searchers going in bone deep because our first episode of the searchers was only an hour in 12 minutes or something like that.
1:42:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So we are going into that and I'm going to do my best leading that conversation with Steve Morris.
1:42:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be a lot of fun.
1:42:56
[SPEAKER_00]: We just recorded a cinephiles one take on once.
1:42:58
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be released.
1:42:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I think early this week and we're going to be doing probably about every two weeks.
1:43:05
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1:43:06
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1:43:12
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1:43:17
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1:43:22
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1:43:43
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1:43:44
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1:43:45
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1:43:51
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