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Ep.# 185 “Beyond What We See: Consciousness, Intuition & the Power of the Mind with Tom Massari.” · Kickin’ It With KeKe: Life, Love, & MINDSET

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  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Kicking It
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  Speaker 2: With Kiki, Life, Love, and Mindset. I am your host,
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  Speaker 2: Kiki Chanel, award-winning author, owner of 19 Lifestyle Magazine, certified
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  Speaker 2: mindset coach. Today, I have a very special guest, but
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  Speaker 2: you guys know how I like to do. I like
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  Speaker 2: to give my guests the opportunity to introduce themselves. So Tom,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and turn it over to you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for coming to Kick It With Me today.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, I'm happy to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. So go ahead and tell the audience who you
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  Speaker 2: are and what you do.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well, I am Tom Masseri and I have been
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  Speaker 3: a channel for a little over 53 years now. When
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  Speaker 3: I first started channeling back in 1972, there was a
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  Speaker 3: very small handful of us, you can count us on
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  Speaker 3: four fingers actually, who were channeling. And back then we
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  Speaker 3: were called mediums. And then Well, back then we had
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  Speaker 3: psychics and mediums. That's all we had. And then along
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  Speaker 3: the way, somebody came up with the idea, let's call
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  Speaker 3: these people channels. So now we have psychics, mediums, channels,
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  Speaker 3: and everything else you can imagine. So I channel a
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  Speaker 3: source called Abram. His name is Abram. And he's had
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  Speaker 3: three physical lives, one on Atlantis, one in the time
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  Speaker 3: of Jesus. And his last incarnation was as a Mayan shaman.
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  Speaker 3: So that's how we kind of built him or referred
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  Speaker 3: to him as Abram the Mayan Shaman.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So before we get into what you've learned through
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  Speaker 2: your work, I want people to understand how this journey
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  Speaker 2: even began. So you started out as a rock drummer,
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  Speaker 2: which feels like a long way from becoming a channeler.
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  Speaker 2: Way long way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Take me back to the beginning. How did Tom, the musician,
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  Speaker 2: become Tom, the spiritual pioneer?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, well, I was born and raised in Chicago. And
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  Speaker 3: when I was 15, I got a set of drums
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  Speaker 3: and co-founded my first band called the Apocryphals. We had
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  Speaker 3: a few records out, did a couple of small tours.
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  Speaker 3: And like all bands do, in 69 and 70, we
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  Speaker 3: broke up. And I got into another band. And in 71,
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  Speaker 3: we moved from Chicago to LA where we had a
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  Speaker 3: manager and an agent waiting for us. So we played
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  Speaker 3: all the venues that's in recording. And in 1972, I
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  Speaker 3: had a girlfriend who had three sons. Whenever I was
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  Speaker 3: in one of the bedrooms, I always felt like someone
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  Speaker 3: was with me, but I can never see anyone. So
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  Speaker 3: I figured there's a ghost in here. So one night,
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  Speaker 3: We had a friend visiting from out of town and
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  Speaker 3: I said, let's go in the bedroom and see if
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  Speaker 3: we can communicate with the ghost. We had no idea
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  Speaker 3: what we were doing. So we went in the bedroom
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  Speaker 3: and we started asking questions. Who are you? How did
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  Speaker 3: you die? What's your name? Why are you here? And
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  Speaker 3: I started getting answers. I didn't hear anything, but the
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  Speaker 3: answers came to me in the form of feelings inside
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  Speaker 3: of me. So someone would ask a question and I
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  Speaker 3: would say, well, this is what I'm getting. And I
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  Speaker 3: would give the answer. After a while, we decided to
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  Speaker 3: leave that bedroom and go into the front room. People
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  Speaker 3: call it the living room. From Chicago, I call it
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  Speaker 3: a front room to relax. So they went into the
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  Speaker 3: front room. I went into the kitchen to get a drink.
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  Speaker 3: On my way to the front room, I was stopped.
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  Speaker 3: I could not move. I felt this electric field around me.
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't know what was happening. And I told them,
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  Speaker 3: watch me. Something is happening. Make sure I'm okay. Then
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  Speaker 3: I started reciting Shakespeare with an English accent. Let me
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  Speaker 3: tell you something. When I lived in Arizona for 15 years,
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  Speaker 3: I did some acting and we did some scenes of Shakespeare.
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  Speaker 3: I had no idea what I was talking about. I
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  Speaker 3: had to go and buy a dictionary of Elizabethan terms
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  Speaker 3: so I could understand what I was saying. So for
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  Speaker 3: a few minutes, I would be this other personality on
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  Speaker 3: stage and I was actually able to see the rounded
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  Speaker 3: stage with gas lamps on the stage, purple velvet curtains
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  Speaker 3: and audience and all the rest. I was actually seeing this.
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  Speaker 3: A few minutes, I would be this person. A few minutes,
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  Speaker 3: I would snap back to being Tom and I would say,
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  Speaker 3: what in the world is going on? This went on
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  Speaker 3: for three hours. When I lived in Milwaukee for a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years, I met a man who was on
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  Speaker 3: the board of directors for the Wisconsin Professional Hypnotist Society,
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  Speaker 3: became friends with him. And he said, let's hypnotize you
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  Speaker 3: and see if we can figure out who this personality is.
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  Speaker 3: Because at the time, when this was going back and forth,
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  Speaker 3: this person gave the name of John Rolfe. And he said,
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  Speaker 3: I was a Shakespearean actor in the late 1700s in England.
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  Speaker 3: So we did the hypnosis, found out that it was
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  Speaker 3: one of my past lives. Now, if back then you
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  Speaker 3: would have said channeling or mediumship to me, I would
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  Speaker 3: have thought you were talking about a Bela Lugosi movie.
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  Speaker 3: Because I had planned my whole life in music. All
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to do is be a drummer in a
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  Speaker 3: band and be on stage and perform for people. And
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  Speaker 3: when we found out that it was my past life,
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  Speaker 3: I thought, okay, I'm either crazy or this is real.
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  Speaker 3: And if I'm crazy, I'll get some help. Maybe I'll
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  Speaker 3: be okay. Maybe not. Who knows? We'll see. And if
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  Speaker 3: it's real, if it happens again, I'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: I was never afraid of it. It was interesting to me.
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  Speaker 3: Then shortly after that, Abram came and announced himself as Abram.
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  Speaker 3: And that's who I've been channeling ever since.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So that is a great way to see if
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  Speaker 2: you can channel today for us.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I do.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, whenever you're ready.
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  Speaker 3: All right. Give me a minute and let me move
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  Speaker 3: my chair so I don't roll away.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Give me a minute and I will see you when
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  Speaker 3: it's all done. Okay. Hello, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 3: How are you feeling?
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  Speaker 2: I'm feeling well. How are you?
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  Speaker 3: I am always well.
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  Speaker 2: Good.
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  Speaker 3: Because I am all about having fun and being creative.
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  Speaker 3: And when you are always having fun, being creative, you
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  Speaker 3: are always well. So, how would you like to begin,
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  Speaker 3: my friend?
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  Speaker 2: Tell me who you are. What is your name?
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  Speaker 3: I am Abram. When I was alive in the time
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  Speaker 3: of Jesus the Christ, Abram was my name also. I
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  Speaker 3: have had three lives in physical form. When people have
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  Speaker 3: a life, when they reincarnate over and over again, they
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  Speaker 3: do that so they can experience all they need to
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  Speaker 3: or would like to experience in physical form. When they
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  Speaker 3: have completed all of their experiences as a physical human being,
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  Speaker 3: they die their last death, and they just return to
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  Speaker 3: their whole self. You can call me a spirit, you
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  Speaker 3: can call me a ghost, anything, an essence, an energy,
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  Speaker 3: anything you would like. I have no need for a
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  Speaker 3: physical life anymore. I have experienced everything I desired to
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  Speaker 3: experience as a physical human being. When people die, many
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  Speaker 3: times they are afraid to die. I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: is going to happen to me. What is going to
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  Speaker 3: happen to me? I don't know if will this all
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  Speaker 3: end and I will be nothing. There will be nothing else.
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  Speaker 3: Or will I met God? I don't know what is
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  Speaker 3: going on. I'm afraid to die. Imagine you are in
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  Speaker 3: a home. in one room, maybe the kitchen, and you
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  Speaker 3: decide to walk into your living room. This is what
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  Speaker 3: death is. You just walk into a different room. You continue.
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  Speaker 3: You are still alive. In fact, when you are dead,
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  Speaker 3: as you say dead, you are more alive then than
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  Speaker 3: where you were in physical form. Death is a continuation.
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  Speaker 3: When you die, your last death of all of your lives,
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  Speaker 3: you continue as an energy essence. You return to your
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  Speaker 3: whole self, which is what I had done. So I
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  Speaker 3: am now an aspect of my whole self, just like
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  Speaker 3: you are an aspect of all that you are in
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  Speaker 3: physical and in non-physical form as well. I think that
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  Speaker 3: kind of answers your question, yes or no.
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  Speaker 2: It does. And I want to go back to what
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  Speaker 2: you just said, being an aspect of your whole self.
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  Speaker 2: Can you expound upon that for someone who may need
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  Speaker 2: to know what that actually means?
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  Speaker 3: Imagine a pipe. nice pie, cut into eight pieces. Every
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  Speaker 3: piece is an aspect of the pie. You are the pie.
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  Speaker 3: Every life you live is another aspect of that pie,
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  Speaker 3: your whole self. Now, understand also, that as you are
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  Speaker 3: living out a life in physical form, in your physical
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  Speaker 3: what you call reality, you are also living lives out
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  Speaker 3: in other dimensions of your reality. This can be tricky
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  Speaker 3: to understand, but think of it this way. You are
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  Speaker 3: as you are right now. You are who, what, and
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  Speaker 3: why you are right now. Your past lives are still
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  Speaker 3: living themselves out in other dimensions of what you call
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  Speaker 3: your reality. So are your future lives. You don't know
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  Speaker 3: them yet because your future has not come to you. But,
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  Speaker 3: and this kind of can be tricky also, if you
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  Speaker 3: take into account that there really is no real time
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  Speaker 3: as you know time to be, then all time exists now.
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  Speaker 3: And that means all of your past lives, your present life,
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  Speaker 3: and your future lives are all playing themselves out right
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  Speaker 3: now in your reality and in other dimensions of your
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  Speaker 3: reality as well. Is that tricky to understand or do
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  Speaker 3: you understand that? I think you do. I do.
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  Speaker 2: I do understand. It is very interesting because the dimensions
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  Speaker 2: of your reality is intriguing because I've always wondered about
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  Speaker 2: past lives. And so you talked about being there during
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  Speaker 2: the era of Christ.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Can you let us know how that experience was?
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  Speaker 3: In that lifetime, I learned a lot about love and
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  Speaker 3: compassion for myself and for other people as well. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I was a sandal maker in that lifetime. I made
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  Speaker 3: sandals for people. I had friends who were also with me,
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  Speaker 3: around me, and they were also making sandals. Garments for people.
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  Speaker 3: So we had kind of what you now call a
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  Speaker 3: mini mall. We had kind of something like that. We
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  Speaker 3: all had our shops together. Jesus the Christ, not Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 3: Jesus the Christ. He was a Christ person. You still
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  Speaker 3: have many Christ-like people today in your world. He was
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  Speaker 3: a nice fellow. I had talked to him a few times.
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  Speaker 3: He was a good individual, had a lot of knowledge.
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  Speaker 3: People think that God gave him that knowledge. Other people think, well,
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  Speaker 3: he must have been a human-alien hybrid to gain and
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  Speaker 3: have that knowledge. He taught people how, well, First of all,
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  Speaker 3: he taught people the importance of self-love and self-compassion. Then
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  Speaker 3: he taught people the importance of loving other people, having
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  Speaker 3: compassion for people, not judging people, not condemning people, having
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  Speaker 3: compassion for them, and letting all people live out their
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  Speaker 3: lives the way they see fit, because that is their right.
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  Speaker 3: He also said, do not follow me. I want no
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  Speaker 3: followers at all. I want all of you people to
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  Speaker 3: understand that you also have the knowledge I have. It
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  Speaker 3: is just buried within your unconscious mind and subconscious mind
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  Speaker 3: at this point in time. I don't want to have
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  Speaker 3: a church. I don't want to create or become a religion.
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  Speaker 3: I only want to be me. Do not follow me.
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  Speaker 3: You can befriend me, but do not follow me. I
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  Speaker 3: learned about love and compassion. That was very important to me. Now,
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  Speaker 3: when I was upon the continent of Atlantis, I was
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  Speaker 3: a marshal in the force. You can equate that to
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  Speaker 3: your present-day military, someone in your military. We, the force,
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  Speaker 3: we took care of our people. We did not war
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  Speaker 3: with them. We did not fight them. We took care
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  Speaker 3: of them. We made sure all people were doing just
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  Speaker 3: fine with and in their life. Every day I had
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  Speaker 3: my orders. I took my orders proudly and very importantly.
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  Speaker 3: But one day I thought to myself, I'm taking orders
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  Speaker 3: every day. I obey. This is all I have been
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  Speaker 3: doing is obeying. I've been enjoying myself, but I obey.
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  Speaker 3: To obey is to kind of kill what is within
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  Speaker 3: one's soul creatively. So what I did, and this is
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  Speaker 3: not something someone should do in your military, not at all.
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  Speaker 3: But what I did was I simply walked away. I
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  Speaker 3: found myself a nice cave, a couple of little animals
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  Speaker 3: around me with me to keep me company. I had
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  Speaker 3: all of the nourishment, all of the food, berries and
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  Speaker 3: everything else, leaves and everything else that I can imagine
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  Speaker 3: that I can have. I had everything. I watched nature.
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  Speaker 3: I watched nature regrow itself, die away, regrow itself, die away.
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  Speaker 3: And as I was doing that, I literally became nature.
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  Speaker 3: I then understood that nature is God. God is not
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  Speaker 3: a person. God is nature to me. Other people have
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  Speaker 3: their God be a person. Someone floating in the sky,
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  Speaker 3: maybe living in heaven, and having a plan for them.
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  Speaker 3: You have a plan for yourself. Before people are born,
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  Speaker 3: they create a design for their life. And the design
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  Speaker 3: is all about what they desire to, want to, or
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  Speaker 3: need to experience in physical form as a physical human
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  Speaker 3: being until they die again. Then it starts all over again.
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  Speaker 3: In death, as they are in spirit or energy essence,
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  Speaker 3: they create another plan, another design for their next upcoming
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  Speaker 3: lifetime until all lives are done and complete. I tell people,
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  Speaker 3: understand who, what, and why you are. Who are you?
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  Speaker 3: You have a name. That will be good enough for now.
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  Speaker 3: What are you? A creative force. Here is the hard one.
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  Speaker 3: Why are you? People have a hard time defining the
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  Speaker 3: why that they are. And I tell them, why you
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  Speaker 3: are is to be the force that creates and designs
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  Speaker 3: everything in your reality and all realities beyond your reality.
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  Speaker 3: When you have a thought, you change the foundation of
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  Speaker 3: your what you call reality. When you say words, you
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  Speaker 3: project an energy in the frequency of your voice, which
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  Speaker 3: changes the foundation of your, what you call reality. When
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  Speaker 3: you take an action or have a reaction, same thing,
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  Speaker 3: you change the foundation all over again, again and again,
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  Speaker 3: all over and over and over and over again and
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  Speaker 3: again throughout your entire lifetime. So your reality never stays stagnant,
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  Speaker 3: never stays the same. It is always changing. And people say, well,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know about that. And I
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  Speaker 3: tell people, when you are in a room, sit. Become quiet.
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  Speaker 3: And look at one object in the room. Fix your
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  Speaker 3: focus on the one object for 10 to 20 seconds time.
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  Speaker 3: Then close your eyes and simply imagine that the object
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  Speaker 3: has changed just a tiny bit. Then open your eyes.
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  Speaker 3: And they all say, yes, I see what you mean.
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  Speaker 3: I saw it change right before my eyes. Because reality,
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  Speaker 3: as many people think, is not real. Everything is energy.
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  Speaker 3: People know this by now. Reality is energy. And that
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  Speaker 3: makes reality an illusion. And with an illusion, you design
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  Speaker 3: and redesign it over and over again with your thoughts, beliefs, patterns, whims, wishes, wants, desires,
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  Speaker 3: and all the rest. You design and redesign it and
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  Speaker 3: it changes. It is always changing. Your universe is not stagnant.
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  Speaker 3: It is always changing, getting larger, getting smaller, getting larger,
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  Speaker 3: getting smaller, giving birth to new planets, new systems, and
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  Speaker 3: all the rest. Everything comes, everyone comes from your universe.
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  Speaker 3: You people are your universe. So it might be a
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  Speaker 3: nice thing to do is to, in the evening time,
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  Speaker 3: when you have a clear sky, walk outdoors. And look
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  Speaker 3: up at the sky and say, hello, I love you.
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  Speaker 3: I am a part of you. You are a part
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  Speaker 3: of me. We are together. We work together to create
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  Speaker 3: my reality. And I create you as being your reality.
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  Speaker 3: and you create me as a reality unto myself also
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  Speaker 3: so that was kind of a lot my friend what
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  Speaker 3: do you.
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  Speaker 2: Think it's very interesting that you when you talk about
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  Speaker 2: changing the foundation of reality like the reality is an
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  Speaker 2: illusion And it's energy and ever changing. So I want
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  Speaker 2: to ask you this question about a mindset moment is
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  Speaker 2: what belief about life did you have to unlearn before
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  Speaker 2: you can fully step into the life you were meant
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  Speaker 2: to experience?
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  Speaker 3: When I was in that cave, I found God in nature.
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  Speaker 3: That sparked something in me. What I did then was
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  Speaker 3: I forgot all about who, what, and why I used
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  Speaker 3: to be. And I allowed myself to kind of be
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  Speaker 3: born again, not as religion, but born again as a
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  Speaker 3: brand new physical human being, but more so as an
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  Speaker 3: energy essence that comes first before my physicality came. In
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  Speaker 3: doing that, I understood then the workings of the universe. Now,
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  Speaker 3: when I was a shaman in the Mayan time.
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  Speaker 2: We.
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  Speaker 3: Saw the universe change. We followed the movements of the stars,
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  Speaker 3: the planets, and all the rest. We determined what time was,
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  Speaker 3: and we founded the long and short count calendars. Then
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  Speaker 3: we understood that time and the universe were aspects of us.
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  Speaker 3: We were time. We were the universe. We understood that.
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  Speaker 3: When you follow something, if you follow love, let me
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  Speaker 3: put it this way, if you follow love for a time,
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  Speaker 3: you become love. It becomes a state of being for you.
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  Speaker 3: Time and the planets and the movement of the heavens
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  Speaker 3: became us, became us. We became that. That was our
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  Speaker 3: state of being. You people today, with everything taking place
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  Speaker 3: upon your world, all of the craziness, too many people
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  Speaker 3: are sleeping, confused, and fearful. People have been trained and
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  Speaker 3: taught to be that way. Governments are supposed to take
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: care of their people. This applies for all governments all
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  Speaker 3: across your planet Earth. They are not doing that. People
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  Speaker 3: need to understand they do have the power to redesign
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  Speaker 3: their reality and have it be any way they would
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  Speaker 3: like it to be. They do not have to be sleeping, confused,
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  Speaker 3: or fearful. just because someone told them to be that way.
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  Speaker 3: They can understand that they absolutely do have the power
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  Speaker 3: to change their reality, redesign it, just by imagining it
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  Speaker 3: that way. Imagination creates reality. Your thoughts, your desires, whims, wishes,
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  Speaker 3: those design your reality. You have heard over and over,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: you create your reality. It is an old stale saying.
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  Speaker 3: I say you design your reality. An interior designer in
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  Speaker 3: a home. Well, I will put that sofa on that wall. No,
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  Speaker 3: I will change it. I will put the sofa on
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  Speaker 3: that wall. I'll hang the picture there, and I will
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: put a table with a lamp on it there. Well,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: the lamp would be better over there. redesigns the room
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  Speaker 3: until the designer comes up with the absolute best design
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  Speaker 3: for the individual living in that home or in that room.
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  Speaker 3: You do the same thing with your reality. You design
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  Speaker 3: it with your imagination. You move things around. You add things.
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  Speaker 3: You take things out. Take things away. Change the foundation.
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  Speaker 3: Change the structure. And change the outcome. But while you
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: are doing that, do not worry about the outcome. It
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: will always be there. Don't go for the outcome first.
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  Speaker 3: Go for all of the steps that you decide to
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  Speaker 3: take to design what you call your reality, what I
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: call the illusion. How was that, my friend?
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing. It's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: It is not amazing.
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  Speaker 2: It is normal. It is normal. It is. It is
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  Speaker 2: a normal thing. Like you design your reality.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I like that because it keeps you positive. It
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: keeps you optimistic and you are ever evolving into the
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  Speaker 2: person that you are supposed to be. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: But too many times people have a belief in positive, negative, good, bad, right,
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  Speaker 3: and wrong. There is no positive, negative. There is no good,
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  Speaker 3: no bad, no right, no wrong. Everything just is. When
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: usually When people are faced with a situation, that kind
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: of ruffles their feathers. They react negatively. But they are
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: reacting based on what they perceive the situation to be
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: like or as. So they take on the identity of
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: the situation and give it back to the situation. This
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: is how they react negatively to it. I tell people,
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  Speaker 3: if you can't just Understand that situations are nothing more
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: than situations. They have no reason, no meaning, and no
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: power until you give them one. Then you can let
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: all situations be what they are. Observe the situation. Let
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: it play itself out. Do not try to control it
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: because it will get out of control. Do not judge
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  Speaker 3: it because you feed it negatively according to your belief
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: about positive and negative. Just let it be. Let it
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  Speaker 3: work itself out. It always, no matter what the situation
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  Speaker 3: might be, it always works out for everyone's highest good,
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  Speaker 3: no matter how you think the end result is. Could
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  Speaker 3: be an end result that you really do not care for.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: But look at that. What does that tell you about yourself,
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  Speaker 3: how you are, how you have been functioning, how your
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: emotions are? Change that by changing your emotions. Love, joy, sorrow, sadness, anxiety.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Here we go again. All emotions are judgments. They are labels.
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  Speaker 3: And they all function on, by, and with one power.
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  Speaker 3: The power is the same for all emotions. Anger has
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: an emotion. It has a power. Love, the same thing. Joy,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: the same thing. But the emotion and the power are
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: the same. So if as an example, you are feeling anger,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: someone is feeling anger, I tell that individual, feel the
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: power of the anger, not the label anger, but key
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: in on the power and imagine it as being strength
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: or determination or love or self-acceptance or anything else. It
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: will change. It can be no other way because you
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: are dealing only and always with energy. And you change
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the energy. You cannot create it. You cannot destroy it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: But you can change or alter its form. And this
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: is what people do throughout their lifetime. Too many times
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  Speaker 3: not even knowing what they are doing.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. Well, Abram, I want to thank you
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  Speaker 2: for coming to be a part of my show today.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Can you tell Tom that we need him? How does
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: that all work?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And may I say... This was my honor, my friend.
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  Speaker 3: I enjoy you. Absolutely. You have more going for yourself
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: than you think at this point in time. And in
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: the next few months to a year, you will understand
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: what I have just told you. I thank you, my friend.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: And I will let Tom come back to you. Thank
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: you again.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. I'm back. Hi, Tom. Welcome back. Thanks. Yes.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: So when you channel Abram, when you come back, how
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: do you feel? Are you like energized? Is it a
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: little draining? How do you feel when you come back?
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: It takes me about a half a minute to really
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: wake up because it's like I don't like the word channel.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I never have. I call myself a sleep medium because
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: that's what I do. I go into a sleep kind
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: of state. And then it comes takes me about a
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: half a minute to wake out of it. But I'm
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: usually left charged. A lot of times if I don't
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: feel like doing a session, if I just don't want
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: to do it, I do it anyway and I feel
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: better afterwards. I think it's healing for me in a
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: lot of ways.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I want to ask this question that everybody listening is
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: probably already thinking. How do we know that channeling, and
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: I know you don't like that word, isn't simply your imagination?
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: You don't know. From the experiences that I've had with
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: the channeling and with hypnosis, I can say that Abram,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: and he said this before also, Abram is not a
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: part of my psyche or subconscious mind or whatever. Because
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: when I start to channel, I feel this energy around
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: me and the atmosphere in the room changes. And then
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: he comes, however he does that, And he's able to speak. Okay.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: He said some very insightful things. And I won't go
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: into them because we talked for a while. But how
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: do we distinguish tuition from fear, imagination, or simply hearing
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: what we want to hear? How do we distinguish it?
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Distinguish imagination from fear? That would have been a really
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: good question for him.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I know. I wanted to save some of the questions
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: for you, though.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Because I asked him a lot.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I asked him a lot. He was very, very outspoken
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: about what his answers. And I appreciate all the things
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: that he said. So you have to go back. And
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: when it goes live, you have to watch and hear
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: what he has to say.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I don't know what he said. Right. Don't
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: remember it. I think from what I've learned from him,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I think fear is in your imagination. You imagine it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Just like you imagine being in love with someone.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. It makes a whole lot
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: of sense. Because I have a very vivid imagination. And
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: sometimes I can create stories and make people think that
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: they're real based out of whatever emotion that I'm feeling
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: at the moment. Because I have characters that's in my
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: head all the time trying to come out and get
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: their stories told. So I definitely understand. Yeah, I love that. Good.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: And I want to do a reality check question. What
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: is something people desperately want spirituality to do for them
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: that they ultimately still have to do for themselves?
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Abram says, understand who, what, and why you are. And
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: if people can do that, Abram says that their life
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: would be a lot simpler and a lot easier. Keep
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: it simple. Don't complicate yourself. A lot of people want
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: to raise their frequency to as high as they can
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: raise it. And Abram keeps saying, you can't do that.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: You can raise it just a tiny bit, but you
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: are your frequency. You have a frequency. That's it. Plain
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: and simple. Period.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: So going back to imagination, probably everything is imagination.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. All right.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: So we're going to go into our mic drop moment
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: and I'll ask the question and you just give, you know,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: your answer. The first thing that comes to mind. And
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: so after 53 plus years of exploring consciousness, what do
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: you know now that you wish the younger Tom understood?
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: One thing is don't plan your life around music because
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: it's going to change. Right. When I started channeling, I
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: was told by Abram that my music would go away
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: for a while. Wouldn't be able to play music. I'd
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: have to focus on the channeling. Then in time, my
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: music would come back. So now it's back. Came back,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: and I'm doing both.
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  Speaker 2: I love that for you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it for me too.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Yes. If everything you've learned about consciousness, spirituality, and tuition
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: had to be reduced to one truth about being human,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: what would it be?
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Be yourself. Don't try to be what you're not. Don't
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: try to be what you can't be. Don't try to
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: be somebody else. Don't try to be something. Just be yourself.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that because I don't try to be
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: anybody else but me. I'm more evolved version of myself.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Because I had to go through a whole healing journey
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: to become who I am right now. Because otherwise we
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be having this conversation.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Life happens.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And good or bad, we should all take from that
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: and try to grow and turn something into lemonade.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: All of the lemons.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Make some lemonade.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Well, Tom, before I let you go, tell everyone how
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: they can connect to you. Where do you hang out?
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Any....
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Books, any workshops, courses, how can they connect with you today?
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Where I hang out, I hang out in my home
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: and I hang out with our dog, which is a
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: 168 pound great Dane. And he's a good boy. I
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: do have a website. It's Abram's website. It's Abram spelled A-B-R-A-M,
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Abram channeling.net. And you can read about and learn about
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: private sessions with Abram, the six-week development course with Abram,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: in which he helps people develop their abilities, whether it
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: be mediumship or channeling or art or energy work, energy healing,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: anything that's creative and spiritual or spiritually based.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: All right. I love that. And all of his information
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: will be included in the show notes, guys. So you
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: could have that to reach out and see what happens next.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: And final question. Sure. When life challenges you and love
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: stretches you, what mindset keeps you grounded?
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: My immediate reaction would probably be fight back because I'm
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: a human being like everybody else. But then I stop
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: and think just, you know, he keeps saying everything just is.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: So I'm just going to let this be what it is.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: And it's not going to affect me in any way,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: positively or negatively. And that's, it's hard to do that
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: because we're trained and brought up to be judgmental. And
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: that's really hard to not judge something and just let
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: it be. And when I can do that, Things change.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: It really does. It really does. Just let it be. Yeah.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Move forward. Like find a way to work through it
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: because it is what it is. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: And Abram always says, you know, all situations work out
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: for the best for everyone. I have to agree. It's,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: it's hard to, as hell to understand that. But I
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: have to agree with that because even the worst situations,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: there's something good in them.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Right. I totally agree, my friend. So Tom, thank you
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: for coming to kick it with me today. Thank you
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: for showing our listeners what you do and introducing us
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: to Abram. He was amazing. Any last words of encouragement
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: or impact that you would like to leave the listeners
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: to today?
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I would say just enjoy your life. And like Abram says,
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: if you're not enjoying your life, then enjoy not enjoying it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Right. Thank you again. This has been another episode of
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Kicking It With Kiki, Life, Love, and Mindset. I am
• 38:40
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• 38:57
  Speaker 2: We would love to hear from you. So until next time,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: purple hugs, and thank you for tuning in. Later.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Later.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: She can live with Kiki.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: She can live with Kiki.