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Steve Kline Calls for Old School Justice in Wake of Abner Uribe Disrespect! · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinals Territory,
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  Speaker 1: and we have a good one for you today. Our
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  Speaker 1: guest is Steve Klin, former Cardinal reliever, current head coach
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  Speaker 1: at Indiana University of Pennsylvania. Kliner, nice to see you.
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  Speaker 2: How are you good? Good? How are you doing? Everything? Great?
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  Speaker 2: Everything's great?
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  Speaker 1: You look you look like you have an age at all.
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  Speaker 1: I don't do you have a recruit on campus because
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  Speaker 1: you look clean, shaved and ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: It's not dealing with Tony the Russ. I feel young again, Tony.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, we're going to get to your tourd love
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  Speaker 1: affair with Tony and your time in Saint Louis. But
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  Speaker 1: before we get to that, I wanted to get your
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  Speaker 1: your opinion of what happened last night with Abner Uribe.
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  Speaker 1: So Cardinals had to deal with this. Last night playing
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  Speaker 1: in Milwaukee, Euribay gets Alec Burrowson looking. There was a challenge,
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  Speaker 1: right and uh and he won the challenge, or or
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  Speaker 1: I should say burrows and lost the challenge. So he
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  Speaker 1: caught him looking and he proceeds to go all the
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  Speaker 1: Generation X with the with the groin chomps and everything
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  Speaker 1: really toward the cardinal dug out, and I'm thinking of
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  Speaker 1: myself as I'm watching this, I'm not so sure that
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  Speaker 1: that's cool. So his manager after the game said it
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  Speaker 1: was unacceptable. What what say you?
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  Speaker 2: What say you? Oh? Absolutely, I don't think. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 2: think you just drive the first two players of the
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  Speaker 2: uh of the Brewers. You find out the best player,
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  Speaker 2: you smoke him, and then you smoke the next best player,
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  Speaker 2: and you say this is for your guy, acting like
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  Speaker 2: a buffoon. They don't like it. That's part of it,
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  Speaker 2: you know. That's that kid bought it upon himself. He
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  Speaker 2: brought it upon his team. You know, Murphy, I think
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  Speaker 2: handled it well. I think the coach there, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he gotta jump that kid. I know it's energy and
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  Speaker 2: people are excited, but there's there's a certain point of
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  Speaker 2: the game where some of all this crap that's going
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  Speaker 2: on in baseball today is just getting a little out
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  Speaker 2: of control. And then they want you to be like sportsmanship.
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  Speaker 2: But then they bitch if you don't flip a bat
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  Speaker 2: in there. I don't know. So it's like you're getting told,
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  Speaker 2: you're getting torn both ways. But as a player, you
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  Speaker 2: don't say nothing, and you just go out and you
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  Speaker 2: just level the first two guys. They're two best hitters,
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  Speaker 2: and you just drill them and say, hey, that's for
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  Speaker 2: your boy right there. Make sure you handle it. And
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  Speaker 2: if they don't handle it, just you know, then they
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  Speaker 2: just it might get a little ugly. You guys got
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  Speaker 2: to play them with nineteen more times or so. I
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  Speaker 2: guess something like that. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing. You're a head coach, now, what would
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  Speaker 1: you tell your kid. It's a kid, obviously Murphy likes
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  Speaker 1: a kid, said it was unacceptable, don't know what, doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know what got into him.
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  Speaker 2: What would you.
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  Speaker 1: Say to your kid if he had done something like
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  Speaker 1: that and try to show up the opposition.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm big against that. I'm I'm still kind of
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  Speaker 2: like the old time players where you didn't show any
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  Speaker 2: kind of distressed to the other team. I just think
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  Speaker 2: as a coach, you just try. You don't want to
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  Speaker 2: maybe you don't want to open a giant hornet's nest
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  Speaker 2: or whatever you want. So I would be all over
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  Speaker 2: him and I'd be making I actually tell him, probably
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  Speaker 2: go to apologize to the other manager the other team
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  Speaker 2: and just say, you know, but it depends what was
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  Speaker 2: going on before if the Cardinals were yapping and talking
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  Speaker 2: and all that stuff, then you know, then it's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit easier to handle. But if it's something where
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  Speaker 2: he just did all of the blue, it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you you just got our best players in trouble. And
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  Speaker 2: I think sometimes the manager's saying this stuff out in
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  Speaker 2: public just so that his best players don't get hit
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  Speaker 2: in the neck, you know, because they just sets up
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  Speaker 2: for fines. It sets up the more you can just
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  Speaker 2: let it go under the radar and then you just
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  Speaker 2: smoke them when you want to hit them. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to hit them today. You can wait
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  Speaker 2: till you know, they come to Saint Louis and then
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  Speaker 2: you draw them a couple of times, you know, then
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  Speaker 2: you take them down to one of the bars and
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  Speaker 2: you hit him again.
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  Speaker 1: So as a coach, though, like I think Murphy was
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  Speaker 1: trying to also say good kid, So you have to
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  Speaker 1: also maintain that you don't want to throw your player
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  Speaker 1: under the bus. So in a sense you have to
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  Speaker 1: you have to make sure everyone knows that's unacceptable. But
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, you also don't want to ruin
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  Speaker 1: your relationship with a player who made a mistake.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's young, and you're gonna tell man,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you did was not right. It is like when
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  Speaker 2: I gave the finger to Tony, right, it wasn't right,
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  Speaker 2: and he yelled at me and he chewed me out,
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  Speaker 2: and I accepted it, and I took the blame for it,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what you do, you know, and it just
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  Speaker 2: happens to the here of the moment. But it was
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  Speaker 2: it wrong. Yeah, I embarrassed the team, embarrassed, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinal Nation. But it's the same thing with this kid.
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  Speaker 2: This kid, okay, I get your high energy. He probably
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  Speaker 2: doesn't even know what the heck he was doing. He
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  Speaker 2: doesn't understand anything about WCW wrestling, so he doesn't know
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  Speaker 2: who Generation X is really, you know, trying to might
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  Speaker 2: come out and smack him with a clothesline or something.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, unfortunately, you know, you got to find out.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes you find out by just finding out. Basically, you
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  Speaker 2: do some stupid things. Well they say, you play stupid games,
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  Speaker 2: you win stupid prizes. So I mean, right now, he's
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  Speaker 2: the guy that just motivated the Cardinals hopefully go out
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  Speaker 2: and smash the Brewers around a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So baseball has a long memory. And I've seen this
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  Speaker 1: before covering baseball for a long time. You think something
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  Speaker 1: has to happen the very next game, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: because maybe the opportunity didn't present itself. And as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's a series down the road where suddenly someone's
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  Speaker 1: wearing one in the in the thigh or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you if you do it right away,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes you put yourself in a bad spot. You might
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  Speaker 2: lose a game. You don't try to lose a game
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  Speaker 2: just because you're trying to hold a grudge against someone.
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  Speaker 2: You got to pick the moments. Maybe it's a fifteen
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  Speaker 2: or nothing game, maybe it's when you're down nine to
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  Speaker 2: nothing in the last inning something, but you're you're not
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  Speaker 2: picking it right go out and start the game off
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  Speaker 2: with it. You're trying to find a spot where it
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  Speaker 2: might be nobody on two outs and they got their
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  Speaker 2: best player come up, and you're like, okay, this is
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  Speaker 2: about work. But like you said, you want to poke
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  Speaker 2: the bear and wake up the giant two and then
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  Speaker 2: you get the battle of that stuff going on and
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  Speaker 2: who can handle the emotions? You know, That's why I
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  Speaker 2: love hockey. They just go and punch each other in
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  Speaker 2: the face and they enjoy it, you know, and then
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  Speaker 2: they get the twitter back out there. Let him go
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  Speaker 2: crazy on some people.
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  Speaker 1: Scariest man I ever met. That is the scariest man
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  Speaker 1: I ever met.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean to this day. I mean, he's still ripped
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  Speaker 1: and I think he would still take care of business.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned the time you were in the bullpen. Tony
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  Speaker 1: got you up site. Now don't got your upset, and
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  Speaker 1: then you didn't like it, and you let him know
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  Speaker 1: what you were feeling by giving him the middle finger
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  Speaker 1: from the bullpen, which the camera picked up. So everyone
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  Speaker 1: knew about it. And Tony didn't even know about it
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  Speaker 1: until after the game when the media told him, and
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  Speaker 1: he said, excuse me for a minute, and he went
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  Speaker 1: to talk to you right away. What did he say
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  Speaker 1: in that moment? I never asked you that before. What
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  Speaker 1: did he say to you in that moment.
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  Speaker 2: I was in the shower and I was butt naked
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  Speaker 2: with rentorrhea and frigan. I think Vigenya was next to me.
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  Speaker 2: He just he launched into me pretty good. He told me,
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  Speaker 2: you know that, whatever you know, he goes, I love
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  Speaker 2: your fire, but I what you did is not right.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, and I didn't even know I did it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know I got caught. I mean, I know
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  Speaker 2: I gave him the finger or whatever, but I didn't think,
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  Speaker 2: you know how you're just pissed, you know, pod at
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  Speaker 2: something and you just kind of do the old you know,
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  Speaker 2: salute or whatever I did. And then I didn't think
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  Speaker 2: anybody caught it. You don't know. I didn't know the
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  Speaker 2: cameras caught me either until after the game, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And then Tony was like, and then he goes, you've
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  Speaker 2: got and me tell the media that I beat the
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  Speaker 2: living crap out of you, and he wanted the pieces
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  Speaker 2: of me pretty good. He wasn't. That's the first time
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  Speaker 2: I ever seen Tony kind of hot, really mad, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean I didn't blame him. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: knew I made a mistake there, but it was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but he he got me back. You know,
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  Speaker 2: when I gave up my first run after like I
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  Speaker 2: think I went scoreless for like so many appearances, and
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  Speaker 2: then he, uh, I gave up a run. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was the Diamondbacks or something, and I look in
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  Speaker 2: the dugout and he's giving me a middle finger from
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  Speaker 2: from the bench, So it was kind of good. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was it was uh, it was called
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  Speaker 2: for for him to give it back to me, and
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  Speaker 2: I accepted it, and that's where we kind of squashed it.
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  Speaker 2: I love him, though, I would play for that guy
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  Speaker 2: on the day of the week, you know, and that's uh,
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  Speaker 2: he knows that, and he knows I'm kind of fiery.
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  Speaker 2: But I just lost my edge and I needed to
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  Speaker 2: grow up a little bit, even though I was probably
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  Speaker 2: thirty some years old, I just needed to grow up
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more. It happens.
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  Speaker 1: Gold back with Steve Klein. Four years as a cardinal
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  Speaker 1: combined era. Over those years two point six y nine. Boy,
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  Speaker 1: you make twenty million dollars a year right now as
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  Speaker 1: a player and the postseason the ra zero point nine six.
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  Speaker 1: But when you think about your time in Saint Louis
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: and you had a taste of the postseason a couple
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: of times, one of the things that stand out, what
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  Speaker 1: do you remember when you think about your time as
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  Speaker 1: a cardinal.
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  Speaker 4: One?
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  Speaker 2: I think I choked twice, killed the team. We had
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: a chance to win it. So that still those with
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  Speaker 2: me and haunts me a lot, the more the more.
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  Speaker 1: Tony was one of them, right, Tony wore Mack.
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  Speaker 2: And Kenny Lofton and Kenny Lofton and kew the old
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  Speaker 2: teammates to mine. They came back to bite me in
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  Speaker 2: the butt, you know. But I realized, you know, as
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: you get older, you're like, well, I was a guy
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  Speaker 2: out there, so it's of the game. But uh, just
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: the friendships. Something being around Isray House and Edmunds, Mark McGuire,
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: Poles rolling. I had so many great Woody Williams, Darryl
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  Speaker 2: Kyle H. Carpenter, you know, seeing Wayne Wright come up
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  Speaker 2: as a young baby, Yannie come up as young babe
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  Speaker 2: METHENI punching me in the face all the time, beating
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  Speaker 2: me up. Uh, cal Eldred, like, these were guys that
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  Speaker 2: you just loved. And today I cherish all the memories
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  Speaker 2: I had with those guys. And it was just we
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  Speaker 2: had such a great team, and Larry Walker came over.
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  Speaker 2: We had such a great team and we didn't we
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  Speaker 2: didn't finish the deal. It kind of sits, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on the bottom of your stomach and you think, what
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  Speaker 2: could I have done different? But you know what, we
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  Speaker 2: played the game and we lost, and you tip your
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  Speaker 2: hat to the Red Sox, and you tip your hat
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  Speaker 2: to the Diamondbacks and the Giants. But at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, it was nothing better than going out
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: there and playing in front of the sea of red,
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: a seel red and like I said, the Cardinals on
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: the bat tradition. Everything you want to say about old
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: time baseball to George, you know, Georgie, to Red to
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: you know, mister Kissel, I guess you guys, if you
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  Speaker 2: don't know who George is to like Bob you know,
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  Speaker 2: Gibson walking around, Brock coming back acurously like it was
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  Speaker 2: nothing better than when you see these guys coming around.
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  Speaker 2: I even got to meet in a slaughter my first year.
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  Speaker 2: It was unbelievable. So you're like, you're talking like old
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  Speaker 2: time you know, Teddy sav it was like the greats,
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: you know, meeting the Matt Hungarian, watching him act like
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  Speaker 2: a nut job, with you going out having some beers.
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  Speaker 2: It was great. But uh, just the town itself. I
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  Speaker 2: just enjoyed the people. I loved. That was my It
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  Speaker 2: was my comfort zone. I just felt like anywhere I
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  Speaker 2: went people were great, and uh, everybody had a good
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  Speaker 2: thing to say that you know, there was times that
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  Speaker 2: you know, they probably wanted to tell you that whatever,
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: but almost everybody was very generous and very nice, and
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  Speaker 2: they just loved the Cardinals. And if you love the
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  Speaker 2: Cardinals back, they showed you a little respect. You know.
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  Speaker 1: The Cardinal Way was something that was right at the
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  Speaker 1: core of it for a while. Then it became sort
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  Speaker 1: of a punchline, which I really didn't like, because that
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  Speaker 1: Cardinal Way made for some great baseball, some great players,
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  Speaker 1: and some great ball clubs that I got to watch
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  Speaker 1: that twenty and fourteen. You guys were a juggernaut and
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  Speaker 1: got swept kind of tank was on empty when you
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  Speaker 1: face the Red Sox. And as I recalled, didn't you
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: have a finger injury right, so you had to miss?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I tore my I tore my ten and my
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  Speaker 2: finger near the middle of the year, and then I
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  Speaker 2: tried to play with it, and you know, I kept
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: going the toward all shots and I'd have surgery in
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  Speaker 2: the offseason, but you know, this is your chance. And
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  Speaker 2: then I think Tony and those guys that at the
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  Speaker 2: at the end, they're like, you know what, we gotta
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: make our decision. And the Red Sox were just a go.
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: They were a team of destiny. That year. We lost
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: Carpenter right there. He got hurt kind of right through
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  Speaker 2: that year. I think MATHENI I don't know if he
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  Speaker 2: was going through the concussion problems yet. I think I
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  Speaker 2: think that was more with the Giants. I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: My ears are getting mixed up, but uh yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean we had a good team. We really did we,
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  Speaker 2: you know. I mean, but you think about Pedro Shilling.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Apple Bahm was coming up as a young kid.
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  Speaker 2: They had dam and they had this dad, they had
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  Speaker 2: the swag. We just we had our best season ever
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  Speaker 2: I think in one of the Cardinals years, and we
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  Speaker 2: just we went in there and you know, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: have the member. They didn't even have the hotel ready
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  Speaker 2: for us up in Boston. We had a scattered to
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  Speaker 2: find hotels. People. I mean like they were like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we thought the Yankees. Everybody thought the Yankees was going
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  Speaker 2: to win that. Seriously, they had us all ready for
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  Speaker 2: the the Sweet Hyatt down there and you know, Grand
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  Speaker 2: Central Station or whatever. But and all of a sudden.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: We were, you know, changing our travel plans getting to Boston,
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  Speaker 2: and we just walked into you know, Manny and Ortiz,
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  Speaker 2: and I mean they were good air tech.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you guys stay like like fifteen minutes away
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  Speaker 1: right at a hotel nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: An hour about an hour away. It was you know
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  Speaker 2: how Boston traffic is, and everybody was mooning you and
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  Speaker 2: throwing rocks at the bus when we went in. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it was it was a hostile environment. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's what you love to play, and that's the stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And I was, like I said, it was just it
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  Speaker 2: went so fast and we just we just couldn't get her.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was like a boxer. We just got
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  Speaker 2: punched in the face and we just couldn't get her
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  Speaker 2: our bearing set and they just kind of took it
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  Speaker 2: to us. We could we couldn't score. After the first game,
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  Speaker 2: we had our first shot and in the bell horn
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  Speaker 2: hit the home run kind of you know, off Tavares,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was or something. But then you had
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: a couple of guys show up, like Kiko and some
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: other guys really pitched really well and showed, uh, you know,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: made cardinal names for themselves. You know, Coolero and stuff
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: like that. So it was nice to you know, like
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: you just you know you you look back at it
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: and you're like, wow, it was it was so fast.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: We didn't give it. We could have gave a better series,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't like we weren't trying. We sup On
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: tripped over his own feet trying to run around the bases.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: You know. I see that on TV once in a while,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: and I started laughing as soon as Actually, he's a
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: good athlete and he just even his wife was probably
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: a better athlete than him. We won't tell him that
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: that's Pennsylvanian high school basketball. She was. She was a
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: pretty good player.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: And I bring it up to him. We've we've had
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: him on our podcast too. I bring that up all
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: I'm glad I'm one of the last ones on the podcast.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Thanks guys, you were one I was looking forward to.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: We were we were talking about about Tony LaRussa earlier,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: and you have a love hate bred like I know
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: you love the guy, I know you respect him, but
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: you guys would give it back and forth to each other.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Tell me what it was like playing for Tony Larus
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: because to me, he's he's one of the greatest minds
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: baseball ever had.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's things that I learned from him that I
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: cherish as a coach. He didn't show a lot of motion,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: but behind the scenes he be on you. He wasn't
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: afraid to tell you. And he's very honest and very
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: truthful to it, which I liked. That was part of it.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: He and he was, you know, the lawyer thing. You know,
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: he would write things down and you know, bring it
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: back up to you. And I was just a young
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to you know, we're like the young
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: kid that just wants to go out there and fight
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: and snap and run around do stupid stuff. And he
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: was he had to put the collar on us and
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: pulls back a little bit. But other than that, I
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: just enjoyed the moments with it. He taught me so
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: much about baseball, the way he thought about things and
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: this the way he handled the players, like he knew
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: how to get to your wife, your mom, your dad,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: and then you were you had to go get suckered
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: into it, and you didn't want to piss off Duncan.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Duncan was the muscle you know, you made Duncan Matt
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: He he might throw you in with the Hell's Angels
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: and get you beat up or something. You know, So
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: it was like Dunk was a bad dude, so he
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: didn't mess with him too much. But uh, like I said,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: LaRussa was very methodical and when he said something to you,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: it was for a reason. It wasn't u. He just
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: didn't talk to talk. But he was very honest. Like
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: I said, if you did something, he would protect you
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: in front of the media. I believe he was very
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: good with some guys, and some guys he'd throw under
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: the bus. I think I don't know. You guys might
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: know more about that, but he would always protect you,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: like anytime you screwed up. It was ah, I shouldn't
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: have put him, and he looked tired and he's been
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: pitching well. But you know, he always had an excuse
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: for it and he took the blame, which I really
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: respected for him from him. Uh. You know, he wasn't
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: like when you get up to hit you're like, well
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: he sucked today. You know, he never said that. He
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: always made you feel like, you know, it was a
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: team effort, never your your fault for anything. And that
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: was a good That was one of the biggest things
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I take out of him as a coach, now, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: because I had him at Bochi and they're totally different people.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: And I had Felipe who was completely off his rocker two,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: which they are three of the best managers I've ever had.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So I want to bring up Dave Duncan because you
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: mentioned him, and Dave Duncan was old school and and.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: A tough guy.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: But to me, he was one of the first analytics
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: guys before analytics were rent And let me explain. He
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: had these giant binders with every piece of data. Now,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: he didn't have a computer, didn't have a laptop, didn't
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: have a touchscreen. But I remember him doing sidelines in
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the game and I mentioned some situation in the game.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: In the middle of the game, he said, do you want
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: to know why I made that decision? And he opened
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: these bindings. He had like four giant binders and he
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: was paged through and he's found a number and he
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: showed me why this guy was numbers oriented before this
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: wave of analytics came around. So when I think about
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Dave Duncan, I think about a pitching coach who was
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: ahead of his time.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were all analytical. Back then people act like
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: it's like it just did. We didn't have the technology.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Duncan wrote down everybody. Marin, you're a kid. You knew
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: every stat you like rubbed the back of the baseball cards.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: You knew who was the best hitter in clutch situation.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Hobby Lopez from Atlanta Braves was one of the best
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: hitters number wise, probably ever with guys in scoring position.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: He just came up big time. So, yeah, you knew
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: guys that did certain things in certain spots. Like Duncan
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: would tell me, you're the only guy I want to
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: face Barry Bonds in this series in two thousand and two,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I think he told he goes, we're not going to
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: pitch to him. We're gonna you know, he knew everything
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: about everybody. He had Mike Matheni, he had Yanni, had
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Chris Widgard, we had Charlie, like we had guys at
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Eli Morero. You know, they all sat in that room
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: and he, you know, he would talk to us like, Hey,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: what we're going to do this guy. That's how we're
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: going to pitch him. And he knew which guy could
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: do what he was like, Hey, you can pitch up
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: in his own. He would tell is he you can
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: throw up in his own to this guy, you got
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: enough gas to get it, buy him climbing. You have
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: to stay down. You got to mix your stuff. He
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: knew all his stuff and we trusted him, and he
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: was just he was a resurrector of baseball arms Woody Williams,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: you know, Karp. These guys all seem to get better
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: when they're under Duncan. And he he didn't say much.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: He was very soft spoken, but when he said something,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: it was like a big stick coming out at you.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: So we loved him. I mean, he was like he
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: was a true Like I said, our coaching staff were
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: so so awesome at the time. People don't realize, like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you know, Marty Mason and all those guys, Patini, all
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: those guys. They were fun of kendo, you know. And
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: you had just George Kissel sitting in their corner laughing
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: at us all the time, which made it even better.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: But he was very smart. Duncan was like top notch,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: like you said he was. He was a catcher for God. Say,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: he knew, he knew swings, he knew what guys were
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: trying to do, you know, and he just prepped you,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: and he made sure that you were prepared before the game.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: And that's what my players got to learn here at
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: college is how they get prepared.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: The two thousand for you had a really good year.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Then they didn't bring you back. You go to Baltimore,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: and I'm just wondering because I read some things at
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the time, like you didn't have Edmondson Center, you didn't
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: run reasure. What was that like, your first year not
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: being a cardinal after that run you had?
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, I just didn't. You just had just went to
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: the World Series four years in a row of teams
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: that were great. Oils were great. I thought he was
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: a good organization. I was like one of my teams
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: growing up as a kid. It's close to home for
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: me back in Pennsylvania. I just didn't have it. I just,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: like I said, I just needed to mature a little bit. Really,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I met some really nice people over there. Just uh,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I just when I suck, I just I blame myself
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: and I didn't Now I threw some guys like that.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I said some bad things and I regretted it. But
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: it was like it's hard to get up for games
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: when you're playing in front of fifty thousand, and then
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: you go to a place where you know, it was
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: kind of and the Yankees and the Red Sox were
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: so good at that time. They just you know, they
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: spent so much money. They were just destroying people. And
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I think I got there and rebuild, and Sammy Sosa
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: was there and he was a cub, and I didn't
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: like him because he was a cub, you know, but
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: it was part of it, you know, like there's things
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: in there just you didn't jell as a team, like
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't have my my faithful. If I go out
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and give up a hit as he came in and
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: got everybody out, made me look good. You know. You
• 22:39
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• 22:42
  Speaker 1: It all worked that well. Because now you're coaching college kids.
• 22:45
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  Speaker 1: Back with Steve Klein, and Steve was coaching in the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Giants minor league system for many years and I believe
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: at Lisa rode a twenty twenty one, you get the
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: head coaching job at Indiana University of Pennsylvania. You're a
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania kid, so you're kind of home. I think you're
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: what a couple hours from where you were born, so
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: it's got to be a nice fit for you.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful. It's like a small town, just like
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: like kind of where I grew up. You know, it's
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: about in between Pittsburgh and Altoona. Right, so if everybody
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: this is a legendary home of Jimmy Stewart, people need
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: to know the history of Jimmy Stewart, you know, a
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: wonderful life guy. And then you have this is Signetti's hometown.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: You know, the coach Kurk Signetti. Frank Signetti was his dad.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: He was a football The fields named after him here
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: and everything like that, so you know, it's kind of
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: a football background. I mean, Jimmy Haslett was here. Valera
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: was a big offensive tackle guy that was here. He
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: coaches like Saint Francis. And then we have Nick Sirianni
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: kind of graduate from here and stuff, coach here a
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: little bit, and now he's with the Eagles. But like
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: I said, it's you know, I'm close to Altoons, so
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I get to go see the Squirrels when they come in.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I get to see the Richmond Fine Squirrels, my old
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: old team. And then you know, I get to go
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: to the Pirates and watch a couple of when the
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: big league boys come in, I get to go over
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: and all.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Right, My question, Steve is what you went to West
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Virginia as a baseball player. You're an old school guy.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Are college players different now than they were when you
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: were a college player? And how do you handle that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: if if that's the case.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everybody's they believe, they believe the hype nowadays.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Back in the old days, you got a hat, a
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: T shirt, you went and played baseball because you love
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to play. Now you gotta have facilities, you gotta have
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: ANHI money, you gotta have this or that. I'm like,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: you gotta earn. Like I keep trying to explain to
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: these kids, you got to earn his stuff before you
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: get it. I mean, high school is great, but once
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: that yearbook closes, you know, it's like, you know, you're
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: starting to play against the not just you know, your
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: own state, but you're playing against the whole country. And
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: then you're playing against even foreign kids. Now you're so
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: you're getting a whole different variety of baseball than what
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I had When I was in college. It was you
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: stuck territorial and you wanted to play for a school
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: that you kind of admired as a kid and you
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: kind of liked. And now kids will go from Florida
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: up to you know, New York, and they'll go from
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: California to and the baseball game has expanded, which is
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: great for the game. And I you know, I love
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: seeing like all the big TV the TV deals now
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: getting out there for some of these college baseball because
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I mean college softball dominated for a long time. They're
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: in that department. But in like Little League World Series
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: was great, but now the baseball is getting itsnowledgement. And
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I just still think some of the kids are tough.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Those We got some really good kids that work hard
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: and they're trying to balance their academics with their athletics.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: But uh, you know, I think we are getting better
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: and better of resources, and you're getting better like video
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: of guys you can you know, kids are starting to
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: get recruited in like eighth grade.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: It's it's insane, you know, and do you have nil money.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Do you have nil money that you got to parse out?
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I know you're d two, But.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I go and get blood at the I get blood
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: the blood banket and they gave it back to me,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: you know, But that's about No, we don't have an
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: l I money. There's a couple of teams that have it.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I think one team in our conference in the Peace
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: AC have it. But mostly like Tampa and some of
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: the really good details schools have it. I mean, which
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: you know, kudos of them if that's your that helps
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: you get the kid anything for the kid in that
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: college athlete you want them to, you know, because we're
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: going to abuse them and try to get the Muscle
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Weekend album, so they might also get the most all
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: of us too. So I get it. I played on
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: the other side where I was like I would have
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: done anything for the mountaineers, you know, and I am
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: i juco and now you know, I'm on this side
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: where you're coaching, and you you know, you you push
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: them a little further and a little further every time,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: and you know I'm hard on them. I'm very strict,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: which I never thought it would be. And I'm you
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: just worry about everything outside of baseball. Then baseball. As
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a coach, you gotta worry about grades. You gotta worry
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: about relationships, you gotta worry about alumni. You gotta worry
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: about facilities. You gotta worry about recruiting. You got to
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: worry about where the money's coming from, you know, fundraising.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: That's the stuff that this drives you. You know, trives
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: me to be old and look like Catman.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: But I think you look young. You look certainly you
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: are younger than me by about ten years.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Last last thing, you can't polish a turn, cat you
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: can't polish a turn. You look great.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: So pitching is different now than it used to be.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: And I know you probably have some kids who would
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: like eventually to get to the next level, right, maybe
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: be major leaguers. But now it seems like everyone throws
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: a hundred. And it used to be like a small
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: window for the control pitchers who maybe had a specialty
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: pitch like yourself, didn't throw one hundred miles an hour.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if those guys get a sniff anymore.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: What's your sense of of what baseball's looking for now?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, every sport changes and adapts and keeps making I
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: think I think the radar guns are full of crap.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I think either the machines have gotten better to pick
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: up the rate or they're picking it up once you
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: release it now instead of crossing the plate. I don't
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: know what they're they're really doing with that, so I
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: think I think baseball had a little moment where they
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: were it was kind of boring and slow, so they
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I think they were trying to get numbers to be
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: up on screens. I saw Moan Ryan pitch when I
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: was a kid. I saw Pedro Martinez pitch when I
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: was a kid, and then I seen I coached a
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: lot of kids who threw a hundred, and I was like,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: that's not one hundred. You know, they're very different. You
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: can hear the sound of something like when Billy Wagner
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: threw you were like, oh man, that's that's hard. When
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Pagro three you're like, wow, you know Nolan Ryan Clemmens like,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and then I said, guy guys like Linscombe and Kane
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: and you know, and the Bumgardner these guys and they
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: you know, same thing. They I just think sometimes like
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Jason smid had I think unbelievable fastball. I think he
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: was one of the hardest guys I've seen throw the ball.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: And then you know, some guys do heavy balls come
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: through like light balls, you know, like I threw a sinker.
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  Speaker 2: I think a slider. I still think they pitched like
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  Speaker 2: if you watch college or pros, it's like sixty seven
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  Speaker 2: percent of the time now sliders. I was about eighty
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  Speaker 2: five percent of the time sliders. But they can't hit it.
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  Speaker 2: Just keep throwing it. That's what the Ruster woul tell me.
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  Speaker 2: Never get beat with your You always told me, don't
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  Speaker 2: get beat with your worst pitch. You know. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: why would you throw your fastball and get beat with
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  Speaker 2: it when you can keep throwing your sliders. So that's
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: that's basically what you did. You want what you went
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: to the money as much as you could. I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: in the game where it was like, oh, let's just
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: see what happens here, you know. And I just think
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  Speaker 2: that today's generation, they're so much powerful, they're strong. I
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  Speaker 2: think they do some of the kids do through. I
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  Speaker 2: think Paul Skans throws a beautiful takeof while he's just
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  Speaker 2: so smooth and effortless. He's like Rick Ankiel had the
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  Speaker 2: best fastball I've probably ever seen. From my eyes, it
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  Speaker 2: was unbelievable. I just explode it out of his hand
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  Speaker 2: and it just got on you and his breaking ball
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  Speaker 2: just snapped off the table. I mean, unfortunately he never
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: got the really pan out the way we wanted to
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  Speaker 2: see it. I thought this kid was going to be
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: a sure blooded like Steve Carlton, and you know, unfortunately
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: he became an outfielder and could hit. So he took
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: me in the upper tank. It the old bush, so
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  Speaker 2: I can't say much about it.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the one of the best athletes in
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: baseball history. That guy just reinvented himself. Kleiner, I got
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  Speaker 1: to tell you, it was a pleasure talking to you
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: and catching up. You've always been a good dude. I
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: knew this would be a good episode and you made
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: it so, so thank you for coming on.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Hey, you're still a good liar. I appreciate it. I
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for this edition of Guarding Territory.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Kleiner. We'll see you for the next on
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  Speaker 1: the Battle, Birds on the Bat, Birds on the Bat,
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully that episode won't sup.
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  Speaker 2: H m hmmm mmm.