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Lunch with the Clydesdale - Broken Promises! · Clydesdale Media Podcast

• 0:33
  What's going on, everybody?
• 0:35
  Welcome to Lunch with the Clydesdale.
• 0:37
  It is Monday.
• 0:39
  We are back to work.
• 0:40
  I already need the break.
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  As I told you guys,
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  as I told you guys last week,
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  one of my coworkers has
• 0:54
  been removed from our unit,
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  so got in this morning,
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  had one-on-one with my boss,
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  got a lot going on.
• 1:01
  Man,
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  it's been just a wild couple weeks for
• 1:02
  me.
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  But you're digging through the stuff,
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  you know, like Sunday night,
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  we had a great show last night,
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  lots of buzz.
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  But when you're creating the rundown,
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  it's really,
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  really hard to find topics to
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  talk about in this like dead period of,
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  from about a week ago to the
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  games it's just kind of
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  everybody's in their
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  foxhole they're doing their
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  things they're training
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  they're getting ready for
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  the games and just not a
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  lot of stuff is like
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  popping out there right and
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  so like trying to be
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  creative with fact or
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  fiction coming up with just
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  scenarios to talk about
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  things like that um
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  But yeah, so,
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  and then you come in Monday
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  morning and I'm like, well,
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  what am I going to talk about today?
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  I have a list of some things
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  I kind of jotted down.
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  And then, fifteen minutes before the show,
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  we're hit with the breaking news,
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  if you've not already seen it.
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  That one Daniel Brandon...
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  has shuffled the deck with
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  coaches to prep with a new
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  crew for the CrossFit Games.
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  Daniel Brandon steps away
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  from El Sinevor to be
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  coached by Adam Neiffer and Jesse Bifano,
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  who have tagged in to help
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  her over the next month.
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  Brandon and Sanivore and
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  their partnership on good
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  terms as Knifer and Bufano take the baton,
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  coaching her for the twenty
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  twenty five CrossFit Games,
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  which will take place in
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  less than three weeks in Albany,
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  New York.
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  Coach L actually says it's
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  been an awesome two years
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  working with Danielle.
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  Nothing but positive things
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  to say about our time together.
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  Wishing her all the best and
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  excited to see how far Adam
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  and Jesse can take her from here.
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  If you're a coach that has
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  helped build an athlete to
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  the pinnacle of the CrossFit Games,
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  the last thing you want to
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  do is be excited for
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  someone else to take it
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  across the goal line.
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  The last thing you want to see.
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  There's no way that Coach L
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  means any of that.
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  Any of that.
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  There's no possible way.
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  It could...
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  to work with her for two years.
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  And from all accounts,
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  working with Danielle day
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  to day is not the easiest
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  coaching job in the business.
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  Um, she is fiery.
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  She, um, uh, she, she is,
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  she both is a fierce
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  competitor and sometimes
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  emotionally immature in the gym.
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  Those things together turn
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  into a very volatile situation.
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  And to get through two years
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  of that to then hand it off
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  to somebody else for three weeks,
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  never going to be cool to do that.
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  Never going to be cool.
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  So...
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  Denise Moore says never
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  seems counterproductive to
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  change coaches so close to the games.
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  Not the first time she's done it,
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  which is what is completely wild.
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  Um, she did this.
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  Twenty twenty.
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  Twenty twenty two.
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  Uh, where she, uh,
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  where there was a separation
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  between underdogs athletics and her,
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  and she went to brute, uh,
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  to finish for three weeks
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  before that games.
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  Um,
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  so this is not the first time for
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  Danielle and she is like,
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  her window is closed.
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  Her window is closed.
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  You can't keep sabotaging
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  yourself this close to the games.
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  And I'm not saying that
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  she's responsible for the Gooch situation,
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  as Lito is saying.
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  One thousand had to do with
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  the recent Gooch situation.
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  It probably did.
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  It probably did.
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  I don't know who's to blame there.
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  I don't know who is,
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  if Matt and her were in a relationship,
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  I don't know if Matt was
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  just being the crazy stalker.
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  I don't know.
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  Like I know none of that.
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  It's all speculation.
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  And that's why I've tried to,
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  to avoid talking about it
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  very much because I don't
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  know which side is the real story,
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  but the fact that it leads to her being
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  walking away from a coach
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  three weeks before the
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  games for the second time
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  in her career as a
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  perennial top ten performer
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  at the games her window is
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  closed you can't keep doing
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  this this is her this will
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  be her fourth coach since
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  twenty twenty one
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  She went to Cutler like
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  January of twenty twenty one.
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  And then in three three
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  weeks before the games in
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  twenty two left Cutler went
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  to Matt Torres,
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  worked with him at Brute for a year.
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  All of a sudden, with no announcement,
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  she switches from Torres to Coachell.
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  coach L for two years.
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  Now, three weeks before the games, she is,
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  she has exited to another
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  coach of Adam knifer and Jesse Bifano.
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  So Terry, it's all, it's all speculation.
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  We don't know if Matt Torres
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  asked her to leave,
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  if Coachella asked her to leave,
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  or if she walked away on her own.
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  It seems as if in the
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  wording in the post for Morning Chalk Up,
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  and again,
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  I have my biases against
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  Morning Chalk Up and the
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  way they write things.
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  So I will take it with a grain of salt,
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  but the way it is written,
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  you would tend to believe
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  that she walked away, not kicked out.
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  But again,
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  that is just speculating by the
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  way it is written.
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  And if you trust the way
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  it's written or the narrative,
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  where they got the narrative from,
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  and is it reliable or not?
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  There we are with all that.
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  But just a crazy, crazy story.
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  Denise Moore,
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  I am not informed where the
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  new coaches are located.
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  So Adam Neifer and Jesse
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  Befano are Justin Medeiros' coaches.
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  They also coach Trista Smith.
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  And that is up in...
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  up there, Pacific Northwest.
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  Um, they own a CrossFit Fort Vancouver.
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  And I think it's in Utah.
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  I think it's in Utah, but don't,
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  I'm pretty sure it's in Utah,
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  but I don't know for sure.
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  Um, Aaron Frazier, finally DB talk.
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  I guess, I guess.
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  Can I just tell you guys,
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  StreamYard has changed
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  something about three days
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  in the last five.
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  I come in here and my screen is small.
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  It's just bizarre what they're doing.
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  But anyway, that's for me to worry about,
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  not you guys.
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  I'll stop sharing that.
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  Okay.
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  There we go.
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  So, yeah.
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  So the other thing is it
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  doesn't seem like a
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  long-term commitment from Adam and Jesse.
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  It basically just says that
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  they are going to help her
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  get through the CrossFit Games.
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  in the article it does not
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  say that this is a
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  long-term commitment so I
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  don't even know like the
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  speculation on savon in the
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  chat was that she is moving
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  I don't know if she's going
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  to move if it's just a
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  short-term short-term thing
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  uh to get her through the
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  games is is it worth a
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  full-fledged move up there
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  uh because I don't think
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  it's going to be long-term
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  The other thing that came up
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  was she should have called
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  Kotler to see if he would
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  coach her since that's
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  where she's had her best success.
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  I don't think Kotler would take her back.
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  I don't.
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  I think that there would
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  need to be a much longer
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  conversation about things
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  which they don't have before the games.
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  I just don't... Knowing Justin,
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  I don't think he would take
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  her back without...
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  very long conversation and I
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  don't I'm not even sure
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  that would help at this
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  point sorry about that um
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  uh aaron says would torres
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  take her back it looks like
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  uh torres is ready to take
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  her back any moment now um but who knows
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  Meredith says Adam seems
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  like such a level headed guy.
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  Hopefully even a short term
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  partnership with him will
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  be helpful for her.
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  Yeah, I just don't know anymore.
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  I would have thought that
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  with Coach L. L is very laid back, very.
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  I don't think she's getting
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  anything different than she
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  would have got with Coach
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  L. So I don't I don't I don't know.
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  And at the end of the day,
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  Adam's been with Justin for so long.
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  Um,
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  Justin has to be his priority at the
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  games.
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  I mean,
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  they've been together since Justin
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  was a teenager.
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  There's no way that he is
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  going to give up his time
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  and his dedication to Justin,
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  to coach Danielle at the games.
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  Now,
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  how much Justin needs at this point at
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  the games, I don't know.
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  But his priority has to be Justin.
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  Maybe Tristan Patrick can
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  take care of her.
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  He seems cool.
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  Yeah, I would love to see that.
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  Aaron says...
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  I would guess it's less
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  about Coachella and more
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  about getting away from Brute.
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  I don't disagree with you on that at all.
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  I think that's pretty spot on.
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  Another question I have is,
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  how did the Morning Chalk
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  Up announce this before the spin?
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  I don't know.
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  I think that the spin is
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  blocked by Danielle and
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  probably some people there.
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  I don't know.
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  That's a great question.
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  Corey says Alito because she
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  gave it to MCU.
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  I bet a week's pay on that.
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  I don't think she gave it to MCU.
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  I think that Brute gave this to MCU.
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  Because the quotes are from
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  Coach L. There are no
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  quotes from Danielle.
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  So I think Brute made the
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  announcement that she has left.
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  And to let everybody know
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  that she's no longer under our roof.
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  You got to read between the lines.
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  But the quotes are from
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  Coach L. They're not from Danielle.
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  So unless there's a longer
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  article with some quotes from Danielle,
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  and I haven't had time to
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  look on the MCU website to see about that,
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  my bet is Brute gave this
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  to Morning Chalk Up.
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  And there's still a group of
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  people in the CrossFit
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  space that believe that
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  Morning Chalk Up is the big news source.
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  Especially on the affiliate side,
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  they believe that the
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  Morning Chalk Up is the
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  news source in the space.
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  I think some of us who have
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  been around longer and are
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  more in tune with what's
• 15:03
  going on know that that is
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  no longer the case.
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  But there's a lot of people
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  out there that believe
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  morning chalk up is the
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  source for news in the CrossFit space.
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  So.
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  a solid theory scott I'm
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  glad I don't actually bet
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  on anything besides myself
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  there you go yeah
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  especially a week's pay
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  because I I would have
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  taken you up on the week's
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  pay I don't I don't this is
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  gonna and who knows we
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  could be all wrong it could
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  have been leaked by lab management
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  And then they went and got,
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  and Coachella was the one
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  person that responded to
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  Morning Chalk Up.
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  I don't know.
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  It could have been her
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  representatives that did this.
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  I don't think that Danielle
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  alone is savvy enough to
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  release this information
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  where she wants it to be.
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  But that's my personal opinion.
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  But I want to...
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  I want to ask you guys, like,
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  do you think that
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  Danielle's days of being a
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  perennial top ten athlete are now over?
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  Whether this was her doing
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  or someone else's doing,
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  it is the fourth coach change.
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  We talk about this with
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  Sarah Sigmundsdottir when
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  she was coach jumping and
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  attacked her mercilessly.
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  Do you think that this has
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  really ended her shot at
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  being a legit contender for
• 16:51
  the rest of her career?
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  Meredith wants to know how old she is.
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  Let me Google that quickly.
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  They stopped putting ages on
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  the CrossFit game site, it looks like.
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  So she would have been about
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  twenty two when she came in.
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  And she competed.
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  Twenty twenty one.
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  She's got to be twenty seven
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  or twenty eight at this
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  point is where I would
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  guess because she did four
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  years of track in college
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  and then she jumped into
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  CrossFit in twenty twenty.
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  And so that's five more
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  years at a year for weird stuff.
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  I think that ends up being
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  about twenty eight.
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  Shanna Bunce,
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  I think it depends on if she
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  can keep a coach for longer
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  than a few years.
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  She has the talent.
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  At one time,
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  Justin Kotler told me she was
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  the most talented athlete in the field.
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  Um, but she needed more than that.
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  She needed more than talent.
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  Um,
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  And I don't think she can
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  keep a coach for very long.
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  And how many coaches are left?
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  I mean,
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  she's spinning through them pretty fast.
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  So I don't think she can
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  keep a coach for a couple years.
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  Erin Frazier,
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  she is top ten but not a contender.
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  No Gabby, Laura, Gazan.
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  Yeah,
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  she's probably a top ten this year
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  just for where she's at.
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  Maybe.
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  Denise,
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  I think DB always wants to keep
• 19:24
  everyone guessing.
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  Well, that's fine.
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  But at the end of the day,
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  you have to perform and you
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  have to dedicate yourself to your craft.
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  I'm just not sure she's there.
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  I don't think she is there, period.
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  So, in my opinion, the window's closed.
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  She will never contend again
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  at this point.
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  Because at some point,
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  Gazan's going to be back.
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  Gabby's going to be back.
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  You have this crop of young,
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  phenomenal athletes coming up.
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  I just think that her days
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  are over as a contender and
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  soon probably no longer a
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  top ten athlete.
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  Yeah.
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  Lito, I agree, top ten and very talented.
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  Obviously, mental game is not there,
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  but also strength isn't.
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  And I feel like with certain athletes,
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  if they haven't gotten
• 20:35
  strong in X number of years,
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  they never will.
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  She was getting strong.
• 20:39
  She was building that up,
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  and then her back went.
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  And now she's had continued
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  back issues as well.
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  So, yeah.
• 20:55
  Ken Walter said he's been running late.
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  Can you move the lunch hour back?
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  Thirty minutes.
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  Dude, I wish I could.
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  I wish I could hand in my
• 21:04
  retirement papers and just
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  do this and be able to do
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  this whenever I wanted.
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  But I am stuck to my lunch hour.
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  So there you have.
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  Do you read what's going on?
• 21:24
  She tells me to tell the state of Ohio,
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  Scott.
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  Yeah,
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  I don't think after having a coworker
• 21:30
  fired on Friday,
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  I'm in the position to say
• 21:33
  anything right now.
• 21:39
  I heard athletics.
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  Good to see you in the comments.
• 21:46
  Had a great conversation
• 21:47
  with Carolyn after the show last night.
• 21:50
  Excited for some things there.
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  And now that's all I can ever,
• 21:57
  whenever I see heard athletics,
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  all I can hear is heard.
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  Um, uh, Scott,
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  I heard a rumor that you
• 22:09
  were an extra on the film American pie.
• 22:11
  Nope.
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  Sorry.
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  Uh, just tell Steve on to end by twelve,
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  fifteen.
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  Yeah.
• 22:21
  He's been really like long winded lately.
• 22:24
  He's gone on and on and on,
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  but he's had some good shows too.
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  Sometimes it's really hard
• 22:29
  to stop listening to then
• 22:31
  come down here and set this
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  up and get going.
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  But yeah, it is what it is.
• 22:38
  It's crossover.
• 22:41
  As I told you guys,
• 22:42
  I started doing this just
• 22:44
  as practice to be able to
• 22:45
  talk to a camera without
• 22:47
  having someone to bounce things off of.
• 22:50
  and actually I think what
• 22:51
  I'm finding over the last
• 22:53
  couple weeks is it's given
• 22:54
  me a freedom to say
• 22:56
  whatever's on my mind and
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  know that it won't have an
• 22:59
  impact on anybody that I'm
• 23:00
  hanging out with um so it
• 23:04
  actually allows me now some
• 23:06
  freedom in this in this
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  vein to just say what I
• 23:11
  think and not worry about
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  what my co-hosts think
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  And then we have the Sunday
• 23:17
  night show for that.
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  And we can still do the
• 23:19
  bounce off and the
• 23:20
  arguments and the debates,
• 23:22
  which is great.
• 23:23
  But here I,
• 23:24
  now I can just say what I feel.
• 23:27
  And I think that's what this
• 23:28
  show has given me,
• 23:30
  which I have never had in the past.
• 23:32
  As I get more comfortable
• 23:33
  talking to a camera as
• 23:35
  opposed to Carolyn and Jamie.
• 23:37
  Uh,
• 23:43
  Retiring in January,
• 23:44
  told a director at work on
• 23:45
  Thursday that I was
• 23:46
  disappointed in him pushing my limits.
• 23:50
  Yeah.
• 23:51
  The closer I get to that door, Denise,
• 23:53
  I know the bigger my mouth
• 23:54
  will get for sure.
• 24:08
  Ken Walters.
• 24:08
  The other one I can't get
• 24:09
  out of my brain is the
• 24:10
  ending rap after the dense updates.
• 24:13
  So here's the problem.
• 24:15
  I get up to pee in the
• 24:16
  middle of the night.
• 24:18
  Jenny's update is in my queue.
• 24:21
  And then to get back to sleep,
• 24:23
  I kind of play it.
• 24:25
  And it's fine because she
• 24:27
  keeps a nice pace,
• 24:28
  a nice volume level
• 24:30
  throughout her updates.
• 24:31
  But then that wrap comes on.
• 24:33
  And if I'm starting to fade off,
• 24:36
  it pops me awake immediately.
• 24:40
  So I need to just start not
• 24:42
  hitting the start button on
• 24:44
  that until I actually get
• 24:45
  up in the morning.
• 24:56
  so what else we got here
• 24:58
  anyway okay so the other
• 25:01
  thing I wanted to talk
• 25:01
  about is um the title of
• 25:04
  the show is broken promises
• 25:06
  last night on the show we
• 25:08
  had a factor fiction that
• 25:11
  um wfp had promised us new
• 25:13
  and creative ways of
• 25:14
  promoting athletes I gave
• 25:16
  my take on that last night
• 25:19
  again hiller clipped it and
• 25:21
  then showed the data behind it
• 25:24
  And to see that the
• 25:25
  followers haven't really
• 25:27
  significantly changed from
• 25:29
  the time the WFP came into
• 25:31
  play till now shows that
• 25:34
  they're not really advancing.
• 25:38
  They're not really advancing
• 25:39
  the exposure of the
• 25:42
  athletes like they promised.
• 25:45
  But the other thing is they have not,
• 25:47
  they've shown a lack of creativity.
• 25:50
  And I have a theory behind that.
• 25:54
  And here we go.
• 25:57
  When you try to build
• 25:58
  something out of tragedy,
• 26:03
  you keep things safe.
• 26:05
  And because of that,
• 26:07
  all they have done is done
• 26:09
  retreads of things that
• 26:10
  have been done in the past.
• 26:16
  And what I mean by that is,
• 26:20
  Lazar dies at the games.
• 26:23
  WFP wants to push and take
• 26:25
  on the CrossFit Games.
• 26:30
  And I'm not going by what they say.
• 26:32
  I'm going by what I think is
• 26:33
  actually happening.
• 26:35
  And as they go to take on
• 26:36
  the CrossFit Games and they
• 26:37
  can't push the limits of
• 26:39
  what they're doing because
• 26:42
  they need to play it safe
• 26:43
  and they want the old
• 26:45
  followers of CrossFit to come with them.
• 26:49
  So they bring on the buttery
• 26:50
  bros to do the media.
• 26:52
  They bring on Tommy Marquez
• 26:53
  to do an update show.
• 26:56
  It is all the same people
• 26:58
  that we have seen in the past.
• 27:02
  And the only people that are
• 27:03
  performing at a level with
• 27:05
  excitement are the couple
• 27:07
  new people that they brought on.
• 27:09
  However,
• 27:12
  Because you're building this
• 27:15
  on the premise that a
• 27:17
  tragedy happened and that
• 27:19
  was at the fault of the other company,
• 27:21
  you can't push the limits
• 27:25
  because you're afraid
• 27:26
  you're going to piss people off.
• 27:29
  And that's where WFP is right now.
• 27:32
  They want to take on the
• 27:33
  games after what happened,
• 27:35
  but they're afraid to push
• 27:36
  the limits because they're
• 27:38
  afraid to piss people off.
• 27:40
  Because you're building your
• 27:42
  company on the fact that
• 27:44
  people are pissed off at
• 27:45
  the other company.
• 27:52
  And because of that,
• 27:54
  you can't be new and you
• 27:56
  can't be creative.
• 27:59
  And so they promised us that.
• 28:01
  that that was what they were
• 28:03
  bringing to the table.
• 28:04
  It was going to be a new way
• 28:06
  of showing off these athletes,
• 28:09
  getting them more exposure
• 28:11
  in new and creative and innovative ways,
• 28:14
  and none of that has happened.
• 28:16
  The only promise that they
• 28:17
  have come through on,
• 28:19
  and that I don't know if
• 28:20
  the checks have cleared,
• 28:21
  is to pay the athletes.
• 28:26
  Initially, I was a supporter of the WFP,
• 28:29
  not because of what happened at the games,
• 28:31
  but because I won a season
• 28:33
  that makes sense.
• 28:35
  And they put together a
• 28:36
  season that actually made sense to me.
• 28:40
  But all this stuff that's
• 28:41
  going on around it,
• 28:42
  they're losing me as a supporter.
• 28:46
  And they're losing me faster
• 28:47
  and faster as we get
• 28:49
  through the rest of the season.
• 28:59
  I wanted to see a season
• 29:01
  structure that was basic
• 29:02
  and simple succeed.
• 29:05
  So at some point,
• 29:06
  hopefully CrossFit would
• 29:07
  take that and move forward
• 29:10
  with it or hand off the
• 29:13
  sports side to somebody who
• 29:15
  could make that work.
• 29:18
  But I don't see any other
• 29:20
  than just the structure of it itself.
• 29:23
  Nothing else is playing out
• 29:25
  the way that they have promised or the
• 29:29
  shared that they wanted to deliver to us.
• 29:36
  So that is my theory on why
• 29:42
  there's nothing new.
• 29:44
  There's nothing creative.
• 29:55
  Patrick Clark,
• 29:56
  because you're consuming
• 29:57
  media attacking the WFP
• 29:58
  without interaction with WFP directly.
• 30:01
  I'm watching all the WFP media.
• 30:04
  They promised new creative
• 30:06
  and innovative ways to
• 30:08
  promote the athletes.
• 30:09
  And I've watched everything
• 30:11
  that they've put out and
• 30:12
  none of it has met that standard.
• 30:15
  None of it.
• 30:28
  I was supportive of the WFP.
• 30:30
  I wanted it to succeed.
• 30:31
  I wanted it to show that you
• 30:33
  could have a simple season
• 30:34
  that makes sense and make it work.
• 30:37
  And it hasn't,
• 30:39
  it's not working because
• 30:40
  none of the promises about
• 30:42
  this idea of a new,
• 30:45
  you've had a dead seat,
• 30:47
  dead part of your season
• 30:48
  for a couple months where
• 30:50
  you could put out more and
• 30:51
  more content to get people
• 30:52
  hyped and nothing has come.
• 31:06
  The season is still occurring.
• 31:08
  I understand that.
• 31:09
  I understand that, Mike.
• 31:10
  But what I'm saying is, okay,
• 31:15
  I think everything is
• 31:16
  falling on deaf ears here
• 31:19
  because there was a promise
• 31:22
  made that what they were
• 31:25
  going to do was going to be new,
• 31:26
  innovative, and different,
• 31:28
  and none of that has happened.
• 31:30
  And that is what I'm commenting on.
• 31:35
  And I have a theory behind it.
• 31:40
  I didn't say it failed.
• 31:41
  I said the promise was broken.
• 31:58
  So that's my thought.
• 32:05
  Andrew Hiller, PC respectfully,
• 32:07
  that's a horseshit take.
• 32:08
  No one gets to have direct
• 32:09
  contact with HQ when they
• 32:10
  talk about what they are up to.
• 32:14
  And I have criticized
• 32:15
  CrossFit HQ just as equally
• 32:17
  on the content they're putting out.
• 32:20
  So I don't know why you're
• 32:22
  pitting me against everything.
• 32:25
  I'm just being honest as to
• 32:26
  what I'm seeing.
• 32:36
  Patrick Clark,
• 32:37
  was that promise made on a timeline?
• 32:39
  Well, if it doesn't come soon,
• 32:41
  then you're going to lose
• 32:42
  all the people that were interested.
• 32:44
  So if your timeline's longer than this,
• 32:47
  that's a really shitty timeline.
• 33:05
  This was in a podcast with Will,
• 33:09
  and one of the benefits
• 33:10
  that they were going to
• 33:10
  bring was new and
• 33:12
  innovative ways to promote the athletes.
• 33:23
  So anyway, that's my theory on that.
• 33:28
  The other thing is MedCon
• 33:30
  Rush happened this weekend, and...
• 33:34
  I have a theory about this as well.
• 33:36
  I love Metcon Rush.
• 33:38
  It was one of the coolest
• 33:39
  little competitions I call
• 33:41
  mid-majors that I've always
• 33:44
  wanted to go to because I
• 33:45
  think they do a great job with setup,
• 33:47
  with location,
• 33:48
  and they get a ton of
• 33:49
  people to come every year.
• 33:51
  They
• 33:53
  had a lack of what I would
• 33:55
  call mid to upper level
• 33:58
  semi-final athletes this
• 33:59
  year and I wonder if that
• 34:02
  is because the crossfit
• 34:04
  game season gave multiple
• 34:07
  opportunities for those
• 34:08
  types of athletes to
• 34:10
  compete to try to make the
• 34:11
  crossfit games and because of that
• 34:15
  There's no way they could
• 34:16
  get it back up for like a
• 34:18
  mid-major like Metcon Rush.
• 34:21
  And if we continue to go down this path,
• 34:23
  is that going to affect
• 34:26
  these mid-majors that are
• 34:28
  like local competitions
• 34:30
  done on a grander scale?
• 34:33
  And I'm anxious to hear
• 34:34
  people's thoughts on that
• 34:35
  because tomorrow I'm going
• 34:37
  to have the director of
• 34:38
  Fight for the Fittest on
• 34:39
  the show with lunch.
• 34:42
  They have actually hit new
• 34:43
  levels of participation by
• 34:46
  doubling participation this
• 34:48
  year for Fight for the
• 34:49
  Fittest out on Long Island.
• 34:52
  And I want to know what
• 34:53
  they're doing or what
• 34:54
  they're seeing in the level
• 34:56
  of athletes they're getting
• 34:58
  at this point in the season
• 35:00
  with that kind of structure
• 35:01
  to the CrossFit Games season.
• 35:05
  So I'm excited to talk to
• 35:06
  him to find out about that.
• 35:09
  And he's also going to be
• 35:13
  part of the team that is
• 35:15
  bringing the United Grid
• 35:17
  League to New York next season.
• 35:25
  And so we're going to talk
• 35:27
  about that a little bit as well.
• 35:32
  Tristan Patrick,
• 35:33
  there are far too many
• 35:34
  competitions in this season format.
• 35:40
  I believe that is to be true.
• 35:51
  Okay.
• 35:53
  Okay.
• 36:00
  and we're still going back
• 36:01
  on the WFP versus whatever,
• 36:05
  Barry McOchner, who's defending it,
• 36:07
  Scott and others, have criticized HQ,
• 36:09
  but you hear what you want to.
• 36:12
  I've criticized HQ about
• 36:13
  their content as well.
• 36:15
  If you've heard my reviews
• 36:17
  of Road to the Games,
• 36:18
  they haven't been good.
• 36:22
  They lack story.
• 36:25
  They're well-produced,
• 36:26
  which is well and fine.
• 36:30
  but there's no story to them.
• 36:32
  But I would say the same
• 36:33
  thing about the World
• 36:34
  Fitness Project's stuff content as well.
• 36:41
  Other than the Laura Horvath
• 36:43
  episode that they did,
• 36:46
  the storylines have been
• 36:47
  weak in theirs as well.
• 37:10
  Wow.
• 37:11
  There is just, there's so many comments.
• 37:15
  I'm having a hard time.
• 37:20
  I heard athletics.
• 37:20
  Sam is a great guy doing
• 37:22
  awesome stuff in our New York Metro.
• 37:24
  He is awesome.
• 37:26
  I had him on the show a
• 37:28
  little over a year ago, probably.
• 37:31
  And we stayed in touch
• 37:33
  regularly throughout the year.
• 37:36
  I try to promote all the
• 37:37
  stuff that they have and
• 37:39
  post whatever I can.
• 37:41
  He's really good.
• 37:47
  Doug Reed, instead of being defensive,
• 37:49
  maybe hear what Scott is saying.
• 37:50
  He's not attacking anyone.
• 37:56
  I am kind of attacking content creators.
• 37:58
  I think that we have created
• 38:00
  a formula that is being
• 38:02
  repeated over and over and over again,
• 38:05
  and nobody is trying anything new.
• 38:07
  And I have to give Hiller credit.
• 38:09
  Hiller is doing something new.
• 38:11
  He is telling stories when
• 38:12
  he goes to these people's
• 38:13
  houses and he talks to them.
• 38:16
  It's not just workout porn
• 38:19
  and training sessions.
• 38:20
  It's actually a story about
• 38:22
  the individual.
• 38:30
  Uh, I heard a flakes.
• 38:31
  We just dropped our date for herd fest.
• 38:33
  Cool.
• 38:43
  Clock.
• 38:44
  I did not roll out of bed.
• 38:46
  This is just what they're getting today.
• 38:52
  Uh, Andrew Hiller,
• 38:53
  I'm kind of attacking content creators.
• 39:00
  uh all right with that guys
• 39:11
  it is actually my lunch
• 39:13
  hour is just about up it
• 39:14
  was good hanging with you
• 39:16
  we can start this back up
• 39:18
  uh tomorrow or wednesday
• 39:19
  tomorrow I am having sam on from uh yeah
• 39:27
  Sure.
• 39:28
  Fight for the fittest.
• 39:32
  And we're going to talk about...
• 39:35
  That and the New York wolves
• 39:37
  coming to the United grid league.
• 39:39
  That'll be tomorrow's show.
• 39:40
  Then we're going to cook it
• 39:41
  up Cajun with Corey on Wednesday.
• 39:44
  And then I told you guys last night,
• 39:45
  this weekend is there could be a change.
• 39:49
  And what that is,
• 39:50
  is we are going to move to
• 39:52
  Monday night from Sunday to Monday night.
• 39:54
  I have concert tickets on Sunday night.
• 39:57
  So we're going to move the show to Monday.
• 40:00
  But with that guys, I'll be back tomorrow.
• 40:02
  Don't forget to like,
• 40:03
  and subscribe to the channel.
• 40:07
  And love the conversation
• 40:10
  going on in the chat, man.
• 40:11
  This has been a fun show.
• 40:12
  Can't wait to do another one tomorrow.
• 40:15
  See you guys.
• 40:16
  Peace out.