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Credlin | 14 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kreenlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to show. Great to have your company.
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Speaker 2: As always, Here's what's coming up tonight. One year today
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Speaker 2: since Australians unequivocally rejected the Voice and the racial division
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Speaker 2: inherent in the choice as a sign of majority spoke,
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Speaker 2: did our governing minority listen to us?
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Speaker 3: Are they listening now?
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Speaker 2: Just Int and av Jimperprise John Roskin both join me
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Speaker 2: tonight to weigh in and importantly discuss the next big
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Speaker 2: fight for ordinary Australians. A third assassination attempt today on
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Speaker 2: presidential hopeful Donald Trump. We'll get to the latest out
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Speaker 2: of the US as polls continue to shift in the
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Speaker 2: Republicans favor the King about to visit Australia. State Labor premiers, well,
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Speaker 2: it would seem that gone all Republican on us. They've
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Speaker 2: snubbed an invitation to meet with the King. Now, just
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Speaker 2: like the Voice, this is Labour trying to force a
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Speaker 2: republic on us by stealth. The Greens today demand that
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Speaker 2: those on a visa from Gars have been given a
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Speaker 2: pathway to stay in Australia permanently. Nagi look to me
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Speaker 2: as though this will be a key demand in the
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Speaker 2: event of a hung parliament. And speaking of that, things
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Speaker 2: continue to go from bad to worse for Labor. The
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Speaker 2: coalition overtaking the Albanzer government for the first time since
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Speaker 2: the election in the latest News poll. And I think
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Speaker 2: it was just over a month ago that the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister boasted.
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Speaker 4: This, Oh, we haven't lost a newspoll, unlike every other
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Speaker 4: government during every term since our newspoll started. I think.
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Speaker 2: First a year ago today, you voted, along with the
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Speaker 2: majority of Australians in every state to say no to
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Speaker 2: the divisive voice that would have en trenched race in
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Speaker 2: the constantution, and at sixty percent no and forty percent yes,
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Speaker 2: that vote was unequivocal. Later i'll talk to Jacinta Nampajipra Price,
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Speaker 2: who was the hero of that campaign, and the IPA's
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Speaker 2: John Roscom, one of the first major organizations to oppose
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Speaker 2: the Voice. But while you voted Labour's voice down, those
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Speaker 2: same people running the country still want to ignore your verdict.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister Anthony Alberezi, and don't forget the Voice
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Speaker 2: was really his signature project as much as it was
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Speaker 2: a Labor project. Well, he says he's accepted the result,
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Speaker 2: but he hasn't, has he because labor is still on
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Speaker 2: about a treaty and truth about Macarata and everything else
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Speaker 2: contained in the Ularu statement from the heart. Indeed, the
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Speaker 2: week after the referendum went down last year, the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister should have told us where to now for indigenous policy. Instead,
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Speaker 2: he couldn't address the issue because he said he needed
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Speaker 2: to keep Aboriginal leaders time to grieve.
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Speaker 5: And what they have said is that they are undertaking
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Speaker 5: a week, which is reasonable for them to deal with
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Speaker 5: what for many people, regardless of what white people voted
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Speaker 5: in this referendum, I think it would be acknowledged that
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Speaker 5: for many people, such as the women who I sat
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Speaker 5: with in Unger leadership, who I sat in the red
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Speaker 5: dirt of Laru with last week, it will be a
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Speaker 5: difficult time for them for them, and I think that
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Speaker 5: should be respected.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 5: The voice was with constitutional recognition was important. Makarare is
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Speaker 5: simply your new word for coming together after struggle. I
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Speaker 5: think it's a good thing that people come together. And
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Speaker 5: I made that very clear on Saturday night that that
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Speaker 5: is my position.
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Speaker 2: And so we waited, didn't we We waited for that
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Speaker 2: week of grieving waited some more. We've heard nothing from
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, who all but dropped his bundle after
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Speaker 2: that humiliating loss, so much so that it was the
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Speaker 2: defeat of the Voice that marked the start of Labour's
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Speaker 2: steady decline in the polls. Now, you might think, with
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Speaker 2: that emphatic vote against the Voice that the Government had
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Speaker 2: got the message loud and clear on any attempt to
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Speaker 2: divide us by race, But you would be wrong. Even
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Speaker 2: as we go to air tonight, there's still six million
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Speaker 2: dollars in the federal budget for a so called Macarata Commission,
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Speaker 2: which is all about retelling Australia's history as a story
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Speaker 2: of shame. And the Labour States too well, they're still
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Speaker 2: full steam ahead with treaty discussions. Queensland has started its
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Speaker 2: public hearings, Victorias are well underway and not far off
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Speaker 2: the start of actual negotiations South Australia as well. And
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Speaker 2: as you know, we still can't land a plane or
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Speaker 2: go to a civic event without acknowledging the traditional loners,
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Speaker 2: as if the country belongs to some of us rather
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Speaker 2: than all of us.
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Speaker 6: How welcome to country is not a ceremony that we've
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Speaker 6: invented to cater for white people. It's a ceremony we've
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Speaker 6: been doing for two hundred and fifty thousand years plus BC,
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Speaker 6: and the BC stands for before.
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Speaker 2: Cook Ever since Albanzi moved into the lodge too, every
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Speaker 2: press conference, every government building is flying three flags, as
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Speaker 2: if we can't decide whether we're one nation or many.
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Speaker 3: But it gets worse.
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Speaker 2: The Albanezer government's just reintroduced its so called Misinformation Bill
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Speaker 2: and says it once it passed by Christmas, this bill
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Speaker 2: would in power a federal bureaucrat to monitor the big
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Speaker 2: social media platforms and impose multimillion dollar fines if they
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Speaker 2: don't exclude supposedly harmful information. Any such legislation would just
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Speaker 2: reinforce big texts existing tendency to exercise politically correct censorship.
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Speaker 3: Now you recall when.
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Speaker 2: I told you the truth last year that the uler
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Speaker 2: of statements actually twenty six pages full of grievance and
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Speaker 2: demands for things like reparations, not just the one page
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Speaker 2: poster the PM tried to claim. Well, for a week
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Speaker 2: or so, my editorials just like this one, they came
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Speaker 2: with warnings on Facebook. Now that's until the lawyers here
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Speaker 2: at Sky News challenged Facebook and the facts were allowed
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Speaker 2: to stand.
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Speaker 3: Well. That was then, though this is now.
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Speaker 2: Imagine how differently things might have turned out on the
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Speaker 2: Voice if these misinformation laws that we now have before
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Speaker 2: us in the Parliament were passed and in place last year,
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Speaker 2: because rather than challenge those they disagree with, the left
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Speaker 2: want the debate shut down, and if this legislation were
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Speaker 2: to pass, the leftist thought police would be immeasurably strengthened.
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Speaker 2: Shutting down debate for the left is their holy grail.
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Speaker 7: Any many pieces of misinformation.
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Speaker 1: It was something that the No campaign was able to.
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Speaker 8: Exploit and use very well.
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Speaker 9: Warren's problem with the truth and honesty just continue so worrying.
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Speaker 10: This is the lie.
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Speaker 2: This is the lie that he goes on with.
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Speaker 8: This bloke is a worrying boy.
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Speaker 7: Warren, and I got the statistics, I got all the
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Speaker 7: information to show you you're often a fantasy world.
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Speaker 11: Start focusing on the local people and.
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Speaker 7: Stop going on with this stupidity about calling people liars.
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Speaker 3: That was today.
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Speaker 2: Last week, in a speech at the University of New
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Speaker 2: South Wales, Professor Meghan Davis, one of the main architects
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Speaker 2: of the Voice, said that the misinformation legislation was necessary
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Speaker 2: to stop what she called the Trumpian lies that had
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Speaker 2: allegedly defeated the Voice.
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Speaker 3: Trumpian lies.
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Speaker 2: Tell you what it was, the common sense of the
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Speaker 2: Australian people that defeated the Voice once they knew about it,
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Speaker 2: once they understood the truth about it. And that's what
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Speaker 2: the activists now want to censor using this new legislation.
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Speaker 2: Even prominent Voice supporters or they're worried about this misinformation bill.
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Speaker 2: They say it will stifle democracy if it's passed. Arthur
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Speaker 2: mosesesc Yes supporting lawyer, told the Australian newspapers today that
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Speaker 2: Labour's bill would quote shut down legitimate expressions of opinion
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Speaker 2: and that it would be quote weaponized to shut down
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Speaker 2: debate on matters of public importance. Greg Craven, a professor
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Speaker 2: of constitutional law, another prominent Yes advocate, Well, they said
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Speaker 2: the Yes campaign quote were obsessed and they would characterize
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Speaker 2: any contrary argument as misinformation or disinformation that should be
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Speaker 2: effectively banned from the referendum. Twelve months on from that
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Speaker 2: momentous vote. There's a few things that need to be said.
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Speaker 2: The first is that this isn't just the commemoration of
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Speaker 2: a past event, but the resurgence of our democracy, of
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Speaker 2: everyday Australians today who last year found their voice, understanding
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Speaker 2: today twelve months on the power of that voice and
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Speaker 2: how they defeated the Prime minister that they voted for
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Speaker 2: unity over his division twelve months ago. It was also
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Speaker 2: a rejection of race based politics, of identity politics. It
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Speaker 2: was the silent majority saying they will no longer stay
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Speaker 2: silent as we watch governments do untold damage to our
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Speaker 2: social fabric. Now, rather than the end of something, defeating
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Speaker 2: the voice was the start of something. And those governments
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Speaker 2: then don't want to listen or they'll get their judgment
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Speaker 2: at the ballot box. Those bad polls today will they
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Speaker 2: continue for Labor and that reckoning It all started with
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Speaker 2: the voice and it's.
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Speaker 3: Coming all right.
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Speaker 2: Let's go down to the headlines in Canberra, Scuiding his
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Speaker 2: political reporter Olivia Kaisley.
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Speaker 11: Good evening, the Coalition has edged in front of Labor
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Speaker 11: in news poll for the first time since twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 11: the Opposition pulling ahead of the government at fifty one
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Speaker 11: forty nine on a two party preferred basis. It's a
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Speaker 11: psychological blow to Labor as voters feel the pain of
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Speaker 11: rising grocery and housing prices. The Coalition's boost isn't down
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Speaker 11: to an increase in their primary vote. It's because of
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Speaker 11: the way preference votes flow from the minor parties. That
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Speaker 11: leaves a question will the trend continue.
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Speaker 5: When people focus in the election on what the choices are.
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Speaker 5: I'm very confident that they'll continue to support the federal
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Speaker 5: labor government that understand the pressures that people are under.
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Speaker 4: Oh, look, it's encouraging.
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Speaker 1: I think Australias are simply asking themselves that they feel
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Speaker 1: safe from they feel better.
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Speaker 7: Off after two and a half years of Anthony albinesy
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Speaker 7: and the answer is no, they don't, and so they're
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Speaker 7: getting angry.
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Speaker 11: The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry wants to change
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Speaker 11: the definition of a small business from fifteen to twenty
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Speaker 11: five employees.
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Speaker 12: Small businesses grappling with ongoing higher costs to do business
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Speaker 12: and they're also struggling with an increasing burden of red type.
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Speaker 11: Unions have criticized the plan, saying it exposes up to
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Speaker 11: one million workers to unfair dismissal changes. Politicians are divided
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Speaker 11: on the call.
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Speaker 13: We want to make sure that we have a fair
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Speaker 13: industrial relations system, but one that works for both employees
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Speaker 13: and employers and embeds productivity games into the system.
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Speaker 12: Peter Dutton and the Coalition want to make it even
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Speaker 12: tougher for Australians who are struggling with cost of living pressures.
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Speaker 3: All right, a lot of headlines to get across. Let's
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Speaker 3: get to them now.
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Speaker 2: Sky New's host, National Affairs Editor the Daily Telegraph, James
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Speaker 2: Morrow joins me, and so too sky New Senior reporter
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Speaker 2: Karena Marcus, and we'll welcome to you both. I want
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Speaker 2: to start with the demand today from the Grands that
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Speaker 2: the government provide a pathway to permanency for Palestinians fleeing Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Speaking to the crowd at the fifty third consecutive Pro
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Speaker 2: Palestine rally and Sydney on the weekend, Green Senator David
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Speaker 2: Shubrich said, the governments and I quote obscene discrimination it
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Speaker 2: calls it against Palestinian people was shameful.
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Speaker 3: Well, James, let's not.
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Speaker 2: Forget it was only last month that thousands of Palestinians
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Speaker 2: or granted those special temporary visas. They were referred across
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Speaker 2: to Asio for security checks. We know a number were
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Speaker 2: canceled as a result. And again I say, if none,
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Speaker 2: none of their fellow Muslim neighbors are willing to take
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Speaker 2: in Ghazans as refugees.
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Speaker 3: Why does it fall to Australia.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean you raise a number of great questions there, Peter,
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Speaker 10: I think let's take them sort of from the back
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Speaker 10: forward here that point about the rest of the Muslim world,
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Speaker 10: the Arab world. You know, one of the first things
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Speaker 10: that happened after the October seventh at tax was that
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Speaker 10: Egypt ran a prigradive tanks up through the Sinai and
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Speaker 10: parked them on the border with Gaza and said, we
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Speaker 10: do not want this conflict spilling in here. And if
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Speaker 10: you look at the unhappy history of the Palestinian diaspora
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Speaker 10: from Kuwait to Lebanon to Jordan, Syria, you know you
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Speaker 10: can understand that there's a fair bit of history there
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Speaker 10: bringing this here. The question of why do we need
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Speaker 10: to bring these people here? Well, look, you know people
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Speaker 10: have sympathy obviously if people caught in a war zone.
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Speaker 10: But this is all about the elect politics. I would say,
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Speaker 10: so many of these seats that leave a frontbencher's control
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Speaker 10: in Sydney and elsewhere you have very high Muslim populations.
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Speaker 10: They want to obviously curry fever with those groups by
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Speaker 10: being seen to be sympathetic to these groups. But as
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Speaker 10: you say, you know, how can we know who we're
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Speaker 10: bringing in. We don't even have a real government there
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Speaker 10: that you can perform checks against. So the whole thing
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Speaker 10: I think has been just a disaster from where to go.
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Speaker 2: I'd worry about this bigger bargaining chip if we get
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Speaker 2: to a hung parliament, James. But we'll get to that
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Speaker 2: we get into that polling. Alan Yasbeck he's the co
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Speaker 2: owner of a major restaurant group, No Mad Group. He
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Speaker 2: has been charged with offensive displaying a Nazi swastika. He
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Speaker 2: held up the sign at one of these pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: rallies Caroline in Sydney last weekend. He'll front court Lay
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Speaker 2: this month. But a lot of patrons and he's got
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Speaker 2: some pretty fancy restaurants. They say they will never ever
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Speaker 2: eat in a venue of his in Melbourne or Sydney.
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Speaker 2: And they've also had a lot of big corporate bookings cancel.
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Speaker 2: They've been thrown out of a good food guy, the
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Speaker 2: restaurant and catering Peagan body has booted them out as well.
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Speaker 3: A reaction has been pretty swift, hasn't it, And rightly so.
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Speaker 13: What this man did was absolutely a borrent Peter. I mean,
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Speaker 13: to equate Israel's defensive, just necessary war with the absolute
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Speaker 13: horrors of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, it's not only
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Speaker 13: completely disingenuous, it's harmful to the Jewish community in the
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Speaker 13: way that it incites hatred against them. And it's so
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Speaker 13: particularly egregious to make that kind of comparison because it
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Speaker 13: really taunts Jews with the trauma that their families faced
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Speaker 13: from the Holocaust. But why don't people like mister Gasbeck
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Speaker 13: wake up and realize that it's the Iran backed Hesbela
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Speaker 13: and Hermas. I mean he was flying Hesbela colors at
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Speaker 13: this same rally as well. That are the true parallels
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Speaker 13: to the Nazis. You never hear about them talking about that.
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Speaker 13: And yes, he apologized last week, but that too seemed
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Speaker 13: completely disingenuous. You know, he used that classic line, I
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Speaker 13: have Jewish friends. That's always a dead giveaway, isn't it.
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Speaker 13: And it was only after he had all these mass
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Speaker 13: cancelations he was dropped by the Good Food Guide. He
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Speaker 13: got in trouble with his Jewish landlord. That he came
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Speaker 13: out with an apology, and.
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Speaker 3: It's since been revealed that he has formed.
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Speaker 13: Back in twenty fourteen, he was reportedly stopped by police
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Speaker 13: for acting suspiciously outside a synagogue in Sydney and his
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Speaker 13: car was found loaded with water bomb balloons and the
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Speaker 13: next day he was thrown out of a Jewish rally
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Speaker 13: by security again for seeming suspicious. So this guy, obviously
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Speaker 13: he has to face court and face these very serious charges.
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Speaker 13: But I know, as a Jew, I will not be
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Speaker 13: going to any of his restaurants, and nor do I
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Speaker 13: think it's safe to say with any Jewish Australian that
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Speaker 13: I know and.
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Speaker 2: Any decent persons I was going to say that point.
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Speaker 2: I know a number of people in Melbourney who had
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Speaker 2: booked into his restaurant that had waited a long time
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Speaker 2: to get in between now and Christmas, and those were
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Speaker 2: canceled pretty rapidly.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to that rental information out today.
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Speaker 2: This is data from the advocacy group Everyone's Time.
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Speaker 3: People are paying eighteen.
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Speaker 2: Thousand dollars more a year in rent James than they
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Speaker 2: were at the start of the pandemic in January twenty twenty.
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Speaker 3: This is massive, and it says to me.
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Speaker 2: This is why the Greens are pushing the rent issue
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Speaker 2: so hard politically.
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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, Peter, I mean it's quite clear that they reckon.
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Speaker 10: They can start to strip labor support off labor to
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Speaker 10: the Greens at the coming election because so much of
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Speaker 10: this rental stress is being felt in these inner city issues,
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Speaker 10: and they can look at this and then compare it
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Speaker 10: to the Albanesi's government's fairly sorry record on housing. I
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Speaker 10: mean not just his own sort of policies that have
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Speaker 10: gone by the wayside and that are now just sort
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Speaker 10: of token bargaining chips in the Senate, but also the
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Speaker 10: fact that housing construction has basically fallen off a cliff. Approvals,
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Speaker 10: everything else has fallen off a cliff under this government.
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Speaker 10: So the Green Sea absolute opportunity here. And I would
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Speaker 10: say this is why you were seeing so many other
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Speaker 10: sort of funny things happening in politics, you know, particularly
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Speaker 10: around like, for example, the behavior of Tinny Pliversek with
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Speaker 10: that gold mine you know, where she's trying to save
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Speaker 10: her a seat more than the river up in Orange.
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Speaker 3: Yeah wrong, I'll get to that with my panel a
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Speaker 3: bit later. On Hey.
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Speaker 2: Victorian Premier Jeff Kennett was speaking at an event on
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Speaker 2: the way Kend Carolina in Melbourne. It was the annual
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Speaker 2: Young Liberal Ball. He was the guest of honor. There
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Speaker 2: are allegations a table in front of him had some
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Speaker 2: people that were making a bit of noise, that were
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Speaker 2: talking when they should have been listening to Lord Kenneth speak.
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Speaker 2: He took one person into task, a woman in particular.
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Speaker 2: He called her a rude little bitch. I can't even
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Speaker 2: say the word on camera, and he was rightly rebuked. Now,
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Speaker 2: I have no issues with him calling out someone if
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Speaker 2: this is indeed what she was doing, disrupting the speech. Fine,
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Speaker 2: she was talking, She wasn't an activist. He could have said, well,
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Speaker 2: excuse me, when you're ready, I'll get back to the speech.
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Speaker 2: But that sort of language from a party elder to
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Speaker 2: a room full of young people, when the Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: is absolutely desperate to grow its youth wing and in
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Speaker 2: particular to reach out of women, he knows.
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Speaker 3: Better than that.
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Speaker 13: He surely should. I mean, it's an absolute shocker. And
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Speaker 13: it wasn't a remark that was made in private, ei
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Speaker 13: though it was to an entire room full of people
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Speaker 13: on a microphone, which makes it even more remarkable.
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Speaker 3: But he didn't I have the sense either.
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Speaker 13: To apologize for it straight away. I mean, to his credit,
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Speaker 13: the president of the Young Liberals got up and apologized
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Speaker 13: for him on his behalf, and I think that speaks
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Speaker 13: to his own character. But you know when he came.
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Speaker 13: When he was asked about it the next day by
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Speaker 13: the newspaper, Jeff Kenneth said, well, he disputed the fact
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Speaker 13: that he may have used the words read a, rude
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Speaker 13: and little, but he did say the B word, as
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Speaker 13: if that makes it any better. And he also said
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Speaker 13: that while he apologized, he pointed out he was being
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Speaker 13: distracted repeatedly by this woman, which sounds an awful lot
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Speaker 13: like victim blaming. I don't think anything justifies the use
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Speaker 13: of that kind of language.
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Speaker 3: But you're absolutely right, Peter.
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Speaker 13: I mean, it's beneath him, but it's also so damaging
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Speaker 13: for a party, which is at this point in time,
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Speaker 13: the leader of the Victorian Party is in court fighting
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Speaker 13: accusations that he has accused that he has basically suggested
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Speaker 13: one of his femaleps. Moira Deeming or full Manps is
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Speaker 13: a Nazi sympathizer for simply standing up for women's rights.
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Speaker 13: The party has, and especially in Victoria, has a real
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Speaker 13: image problem with women, and this does not help it
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Speaker 13: want bit, even if those accusations are not true about
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Speaker 13: its hostility towards women.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you what leadership is about self control,
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Speaker 2: and you just you refrain from using words like that.
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Speaker 3: It's just nasty.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the US James Big news there today
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Speaker 2: what's been described as a third assassination attempt on presidential
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Speaker 2: candidate Donald Trumps. A two part question here, tell us
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Speaker 2: more about this man who was arrested carrying multiple guns,
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Speaker 2: a fake entry pass, dodgy license plates on his vehicle
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Speaker 2: at this rally outside of California, and this movement in
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Speaker 2: the polls because they're swinging back the New York Times
21:54
Speaker 2: poll in particular, she's really struggling with black voters, which
21:59
Speaker 2: is a desperately need a constituent say for the Democrats.
22:02
Speaker 10: Yeah, so two parts of the question here. I mean
22:04
Speaker 10: number one, we know that this forty nine year old
22:06
Speaker 10: was arrested under very strained circumstances outside the rally at Coachella.
22:11
Speaker 10: He was trying to get into the rally. I believe
22:14
Speaker 10: had all of this weird stuff. The pass that was
22:17
Speaker 10: dodgy or phonied up. We don't know a lot about him.
22:20
Speaker 10: The one strange thing about this though, is that he
22:23
Speaker 10: was released on five thousand dollars bail, which are bond,
22:26
Speaker 10: which I think is absolutely extraordinary if it is what
22:29
Speaker 10: it looks like. So I think we need to know
22:31
Speaker 10: a bit more about what's going on in California that
22:33
Speaker 10: that's happening, given that the sheriff said that he believed
22:36
Speaker 10: that this was an attempted assassination that was reported earlier
22:39
Speaker 10: this morning. So beyond that, though the polls are showing
22:44
Speaker 10: the NBC polls, other polls are showing forty eight, forty eight,
22:46
Speaker 10: forty nine, forty nine Trump Harris, which really is terrible
22:50
Speaker 10: news for Harris because you know, even if you take
22:53
Speaker 10: away the general waiting towards the Democrat, these poles have
22:57
Speaker 10: in a national electoral con test, you need to be
23:01
Speaker 10: a bit more than that if you're the Democrat to
23:04
Speaker 10: get the electoral votes that you need to get over
23:06
Speaker 10: the line. So right now, the Kamala Harris, Tim Woltz's campaign,
23:10
Speaker 10: they haven't had a good day for a number of days.
23:13
Speaker 10: None of the sort of gimmicks SAPE been trying are
23:15
Speaker 10: really catching fire for them. We had the very bizarre
23:18
Speaker 10: sort of Tim Waltz pheasant shoot event yesterday which was
23:21
Speaker 10: just you know, bizarre and kind of laughable and really patronizing.
23:24
Speaker 10: But it shows that with men with African Americans, with
23:27
Speaker 10: the minorities, they're having trouble. One thing about the black community.
23:31
Speaker 10: As I saw one commentator say, you know, this is
23:33
Speaker 10: a Black American say, the Democrats talk at us, Donald
23:37
Speaker 10: Trump talks to us. And I think that's something very
23:40
Speaker 10: profound about the way the Democrats have for decades, basically
23:43
Speaker 10: since LBJ taken the African American community for granted. And
23:48
Speaker 10: I think that that is pretty much over in the
23:50
Speaker 10: United States.
23:53
Speaker 3: Well, well what's that?
23:54
Speaker 2: And of course Saturday Night Live they were mocking Kamala
23:57
Speaker 2: Harrison the way can which does not happen normally. The
24:00
Speaker 2: Democrat gets a rails run all the way into November.
24:04
Speaker 2: So that tells you something as well in and around
24:06
Speaker 2: all of that. Thank you you both, all right. I
24:08
Speaker 2: want to turn out in Newspoll where today two things
24:10
Speaker 2: have happened. The first they continue downward slide in Labour's
24:14
Speaker 2: vote and the second that for the first time since
24:17
Speaker 2: the election, the coalition's overtaken Labor on a two party
24:20
Speaker 2: preferred basis. Now at the same time, we've also had
24:23
Speaker 2: in depth research by the red Bridge and Accent groups
24:27
Speaker 2: that's found growing pessimism around cost of living in particular
24:31
Speaker 2: home ownership and retirement, and the blame's largely being laid
24:36
Speaker 2: at Labour's feet. Joining me now to get the drum
24:38
Speaker 2: on all of this. Director at Redbridge Cos Samaras Couse, welcome.
24:43
Speaker 2: I want to start with that two pp result to
24:46
Speaker 2: the coalition that's come out in news poll. What's interesting
24:50
Speaker 2: here to me? So there wasn't a move on either
24:53
Speaker 2: of the major parties primary vote. We get the change
24:56
Speaker 2: in two pp via a drop for the Greens and
25:00
Speaker 2: a pick up for one Nation. Now, a Green's vote
25:03
Speaker 2: doesn't normally migrate across to one nation, So how do
25:07
Speaker 2: you read this result?
25:09
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's basically sampling. So whether this sample is more
25:12
Speaker 7: accurate of a read of the electric versus the previous one,
25:15
Speaker 7: we don't know, but it's about sampling. So clearly this
25:18
Speaker 7: sample had a little bit more one nation voters in
25:21
Speaker 7: it than the previous sample, and I think that's what's
25:24
Speaker 7: led to the two party preferred being a little bit
25:26
Speaker 7: in favor for the coalition. But look, in general, the
25:29
Speaker 7: training is continuing stuck in the low thirties, the coalitions
25:33
Speaker 7: in the high thirties, probably forty. Some other poles have
25:36
Speaker 7: them in the forties. And it's fairly it's a fairly
25:40
Speaker 7: stubborn political landscape in the moment.
25:45
Speaker 2: All right, we'll get to cost Olivia in a moment,
25:48
Speaker 2: but I want to get your take on the events
25:50
Speaker 2: in the last couple of weeks out at a Middle
25:52
Speaker 2: East and how that's played out here in Australia. Now,
25:55
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting for a moment that those images we've
25:58
Speaker 2: seen on the streets are our ranking cost of living
26:01
Speaker 2: in terms of voter sentiment, But are we starting to
26:05
Speaker 2: get some assessments here about the Prime minister's character, about
26:09
Speaker 2: the government's ability to manage social tensions?
26:13
Speaker 3: Is that playing out in what we're seeing in your polls.
26:15
Speaker 7: And others, It plays out in the fringes. So if
26:19
Speaker 7: you're on the pro Palestinian side of the political fence,
26:23
Speaker 7: you probably think that Labor's not taking a hard enough
26:26
Speaker 7: stance on this. If you're on the pro Israeli side
26:29
Speaker 7: of the political fence. You probably think Labor's not taking
26:32
Speaker 7: enough stance on this, so him sitting in the middle
26:34
Speaker 7: is losing the fringes on this debate. And this debate
26:38
Speaker 7: does belong in terms of where the austrain public sits
26:41
Speaker 7: on the fringes. So it's not it really gets brought
26:45
Speaker 7: up with us in our favorite groups people are focused about,
26:48
Speaker 7: focused completely on bread and butter isshes. So where does it.
26:53
Speaker 2: Let's go to those. Then let's go to those bread
26:56
Speaker 2: and butter isshes. But you're saying eighty five percent of
26:59
Speaker 2: Australians it's impossible or unsure where every young person can
27:03
Speaker 2: ever get into the housing market. Pessimism rates have gone
27:07
Speaker 2: up and they're highest in electrics held by labor.
27:10
Speaker 3: So take us through what we know.
27:12
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. So we've used three measurements. One is
27:15
Speaker 7: do you think future generation is going to have a
27:18
Speaker 7: better lifestyle than the previous one? The answer is overwhelmingly
27:22
Speaker 7: the majority of Australians in excess of seventy five percent
27:25
Speaker 7: on average across all the federal seats. Satanu, do you
27:29
Speaker 7: think that future generations we're at afford to home without
27:32
Speaker 7: family assistance? Again, the same results predominantly no. And then
27:37
Speaker 7: the third one, which is very important. A group of
27:40
Speaker 7: older Australians who are now in their fifties and early
27:42
Speaker 7: sixties looking at retirement, probably been on precarious work for
27:46
Speaker 7: a long time. The affordability crisis is just to completely
27:49
Speaker 7: destroy their savings. And we asked them the question, are
27:52
Speaker 7: you comfortable and retiring? The majority of people's response is no.
27:56
Speaker 7: And so you've got this massive anxiety out there in
27:59
Speaker 7: the elect and they are predominantly in seats that labor
28:02
Speaker 7: holes in the outer suburbs and regions, and predominantly seats
28:05
Speaker 7: which we've previously forecasted are going to contest versus the coalition.
28:13
Speaker 2: So do you think these seats are actually in play
28:15
Speaker 2: or will they just have a reduction in a strong
28:18
Speaker 2: labor margin.
28:20
Speaker 7: Look, if you look at seats like let's say McEwen
28:23
Speaker 7: in Melbourne, you go to Blair. So Blair, of all
28:26
Speaker 7: those three measurements, is in the bottom ten across all three.
28:30
Speaker 7: That's in Queensland in Brisbane historically been a marginal seat
28:35
Speaker 7: that's going to be a problem seat for labor hold.
28:37
Speaker 7: Because of this dynamic, there's a lot of what we
28:39
Speaker 7: call obviously the politics of grievance out there now, and
28:42
Speaker 7: the incumber government is going to cop and that's unfortunately
28:47
Speaker 7: for those on the labour side of politics. This is
28:49
Speaker 7: something they're going to have to get wrap their heads around,
28:51
Speaker 7: is how to actually curtail that backlash.
28:56
Speaker 2: All right, we have to have an election before May.
28:58
Speaker 2: We saw the sitting schedule come out last week. It's
29:01
Speaker 2: got the budget set for March. We know we've got
29:04
Speaker 2: a state election in Wa in early March. Does it
29:06
Speaker 2: mean you can't run it concurrently with a federal election.
29:10
Speaker 2: I know the labor hard heads are just saying, you know,
29:13
Speaker 2: hang on, hang on, things are going to turn.
29:14
Speaker 3: Things are going to turn, but.
29:16
Speaker 2: They're getting worse. The trajectory is clearly one way. So
29:20
Speaker 2: can they arrest it? Can they can take the nose
29:23
Speaker 2: of the plane out of crash zone and get it
29:25
Speaker 2: up in the sky. Can they turn things around? When
29:29
Speaker 2: do you think have been looking at that sitting schedule?
29:31
Speaker 2: When do you think we should be plumping for an election?
29:34
Speaker 7: I think May is what we're looking at my election,
29:37
Speaker 7: and I think they've stretched it out there because they
29:39
Speaker 7: want to see whether there's an interest rate cut. But
29:43
Speaker 7: my advice to them if I was given them, advice
29:45
Speaker 7: would be I wouldn't rely on an interest rate cut
29:48
Speaker 7: turning this boat around for you, because again we go
29:51
Speaker 7: back to that those metrics that we talked about just before.
29:56
Speaker 7: The damage that's been done to people's household budgets, it's
29:58
Speaker 7: going to take years to repair. So yes, it's going
30:01
Speaker 7: to help them from anarity perspective that we've turned a
30:04
Speaker 7: corner and stick with us. People of her have absorbed
30:10
Speaker 7: a lot of financial pain and they're still going to
30:13
Speaker 7: carry that grievance all the way in their ballot box.
30:15
Speaker 7: So I don't think it's going.
30:16
Speaker 4: To help them.
30:18
Speaker 3: Well, we'll see how to the end. Thank you gods.
30:21
Speaker 3: That's right, Thanks a life.
30:23
Speaker 2: All right, up the break, just int Andamtajinproprice joins me
30:26
Speaker 2: for her reflections. One year on from that momentous Voice vote,
30:31
Speaker 2: as a Yes campaign still struggling to come.
30:33
Speaker 3: To terms with their defeat. All right, welcome back.
30:40
Speaker 2: We'll get into the misinformation legislation in a moment. Why
30:43
Speaker 2: you should care about this, just like you cared so
30:46
Speaker 2: much about the Voice. We'll go there now, though, One
30:49
Speaker 2: year on from the anniversary of Australians categorically rejecting the
30:53
Speaker 2: Voice and all the racial division inherent in it. But
30:57
Speaker 2: still the petty party for the Yes camps goes on
31:00
Speaker 2: now it speaks volumes. Yes advocates are more obsessed with
31:04
Speaker 2: the No campaign blaming them for their own failures, rather
31:08
Speaker 2: than moving on and accepting the will of the people
31:11
Speaker 2: and actually trying to engage to lift standards of living
31:15
Speaker 2: for average and a people. One person who's doing just that,
31:19
Speaker 2: Senator just sent a nampi jimper Price. Should aw Minister
31:21
Speaker 2: for Intdigenous Australians pleased to say she joins me?
31:24
Speaker 3: Now?
31:25
Speaker 2: Well, Senator, I want to get into some of the
31:27
Speaker 2: broader cultural implications of that vote. But twelve months on,
31:33
Speaker 2: what lessons do we learn from that result and where
31:36
Speaker 2: are we in terms of meaningful policy to do something
31:40
Speaker 2: practical to close the gap.
31:45
Speaker 8: Well, I guess we've learned a huge lesson in that.
31:49
Speaker 8: Thank goodness, the no vote prevailed because the proponents of
31:53
Speaker 8: the Voice have still not been able to accept any
31:55
Speaker 8: responsibility for the failure of the proposal itself. They're still
32:01
Speaker 8: name calling and not realizing that name calling was part
32:05
Speaker 8: of the reason why Australians voted No in the first place.
32:09
Speaker 8: And as we have seen, their government has not come
32:13
Speaker 8: up with any other ways to progress our most marginalized
32:17
Speaker 8: Indigenous Australians in this country because they haven't brought about
32:22
Speaker 8: any legislation to support any practical measures whatsoever to improve
32:27
Speaker 8: the lives of our most marginalized, which is you know,
32:30
Speaker 8: it's not surprising, but it's extremely disappointing.
32:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like they have this and no plan B.
32:38
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister said when I played a little bit
32:40
Speaker 2: of it before in the week after the voice voting,
32:43
Speaker 2: is said to the House Chamber, you know, we need
32:46
Speaker 2: to give our oboriginal people a week to grieve and
32:49
Speaker 2: then I'll come back and tell you what we will
32:51
Speaker 2: do now to practically deal with all of these issues.
32:53
Speaker 3: Well they never came back.
32:55
Speaker 2: A lot of the Aboriginal leaders they went off overseas.
32:57
Speaker 2: Some have gone away on the anniversary. Reading the paper
33:00
Speaker 2: this morning, they don't want to be in Australia as
33:02
Speaker 2: we commemorate the defeat of their voice. But we've still
33:06
Speaker 2: not move the needle of any of this stuff. So
33:08
Speaker 2: you know, the PM's taking his bat and ball and
33:10
Speaker 2: gone home.
33:11
Speaker 3: It seems.
33:14
Speaker 8: That's exactly right. All of those people who are so
33:16
Speaker 8: passionate about improving the lives of Indigenous Australians. Well, they
33:20
Speaker 8: can afford to go over seas and get away from
33:24
Speaker 8: October fourteen, while marginalized Indigenous Australians who knew very little
33:28
Speaker 8: about what it was all about in the first place,
33:30
Speaker 8: are still suffering in places that are largely out of sight,
33:34
Speaker 8: out of mind. These kids still aren't getting the sort.
33:37
Speaker 3: Of education that they need.
33:38
Speaker 8: There are still exposed to domestic and family violence and
33:41
Speaker 8: sexual abuse. And it's like, okay, so they lost the
33:46
Speaker 8: referendum and now they don't They don't want to contribute
33:50
Speaker 8: toward improving the lives of the most marginalized in practical terms.
33:54
Speaker 8: You know, and and you hear this talk about taking
33:56
Speaker 8: a bipartisan approach by the Minister herself, she needs to
34:01
Speaker 8: understand she has complete control. They have control of the Senate.
34:05
Speaker 8: If they want to do something and apply something practical,
34:08
Speaker 8: they have the power.
34:08
Speaker 3: To do so.
34:09
Speaker 8: But they have no ideas whatsoever, and they keep throwing
34:13
Speaker 8: the ball back into our court. Well, if that's the case,
34:15
Speaker 8: move over, get out of the way and let us
34:17
Speaker 8: implement what we've been trying to do, which is the
34:19
Speaker 8: whole an inquiry into land councils and statutory authorities and
34:22
Speaker 8: aborage and organizations, which is what people on the ground
34:25
Speaker 8: have been asking for. Stop ignoring these voices that I've
34:29
Speaker 8: certainly been bringing to Canberra and do something.
34:32
Speaker 3: You want to work and a buy partisan way.
34:34
Speaker 8: I've laid out the opportunities right there, but they want
34:37
Speaker 8: to continue to ignore it.
34:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's pretty weak in the minister to
34:42
Speaker 2: say you just enterprise. You've got to sit down and
34:46
Speaker 2: deal with her and restart. She says reconciliation. But I
34:50
Speaker 2: thought we all said when we voted last year that
34:54
Speaker 2: we don't believe there should be division in this country
34:57
Speaker 2: based on our skin color. I think we're beyond reconciliation.
35:00
Speaker 2: And I'd say we are reconcile we have so many
35:04
Speaker 2: women like you are in the Parliament, When we have
35:06
Speaker 2: so many Aboriginal leaders in the Parliament, I think we're
35:10
Speaker 2: past reckons to the issue. We need the practical reforms.
35:13
Speaker 2: We all want to know where the money goes. I'll
35:15
Speaker 2: tell you that's one thing that came out during the campaign.
35:17
Speaker 7: But all this.
35:18
Speaker 2: Posturing by urban elite Aborigines who are basically on a
35:23
Speaker 2: power trip along the Eastern Seaboard and they're nothing changing
35:27
Speaker 2: for the people you represent out in Alice Springs. I mean,
35:30
Speaker 2: that's what we're calling out out of last year's result.
35:33
Speaker 2: That's what we're saying, enough is enough.
35:38
Speaker 8: That's exactly right. I mean today I've had David little
35:42
Speaker 8: Proud here with me in Alice Springs. We visited Urara College,
35:47
Speaker 8: which is a boarding school for Indigenous children here in
35:51
Speaker 8: Alice Springs, which is a Lutheran boarding school. They well,
35:56
Speaker 8: apparently Marion Scrimdla has never even visited this school, but
36:00
Speaker 8: they have. Their facilities were built in the nineteen seventies
36:04
Speaker 8: and are still the same. Apparently Minister Jason Clair has
36:08
Speaker 8: visited there, but he's not been back since they are there.
36:13
Speaker 8: They are desperate for upgrades. Now, the eighteen million dollars
36:17
Speaker 8: that they said that they would provide for boarding facilities
36:20
Speaker 8: in Central Australia, they've absolutely dropped the ball on because,
36:23
Speaker 8: as we know, your Parnia School for our most marginalized
36:26
Speaker 8: Indigenous kids in Central Australia require about eleven million dollars
36:31
Speaker 8: twelve million dollars to build a boarding facility for primary
36:35
Speaker 8: school age kids who are living in dysfunctional circumstances in
36:38
Speaker 8: town camps. So how's eighteen million dollars going to serve
36:42
Speaker 8: not just those schools, but also other boarding facilities throughout
36:46
Speaker 8: Central Australia. They have no clue and they're simply not interested.
36:50
Speaker 8: They spent four hundred and fifteen million dollars on this
36:54
Speaker 8: referendum when that could have covered these boarding schools to
36:57
Speaker 8: support our most marginalized kids right here in Central Australia.
37:01
Speaker 8: They're simply not interested.
37:03
Speaker 3: Peter, keep up the fight.
37:06
Speaker 2: We know our first nation's ambassador likes the pointy end
37:10
Speaker 2: of the plane off to Switzerland and New York I.
37:12
Speaker 2: Suspect he hasn't been to these boarding schools either.
37:14
Speaker 3: Thank you to CINTA. This is your victory too.
37:17
Speaker 2: Congratulations on last year and more right after rage, John Roskin,
37:21
Speaker 2: we're going to get into these misinformation laws and how
37:25
Speaker 2: things would have been different last year if they'd already
37:27
Speaker 2: been in place. Plus a bit later on, you won't
37:29
Speaker 2: believe one of the reasons now cited by time. You're
37:33
Speaker 2: pleversick for scrapping that gold mine. Welcome back still to come.
37:42
Speaker 2: How is it that a Chinese linked company is able
37:45
Speaker 2: to access grants supposedly under Labours Made in Australia scheme.
37:50
Speaker 2: I'll get to that in a moment, but first, it
37:53
Speaker 2: might be easy to dismiss today as insignificant, given that
37:56
Speaker 2: a year ago we voted for the status quo, we
37:59
Speaker 2: didn't end up changing our constitution. Some might even want
38:03
Speaker 2: to apologize for the vote that was taken. But with
38:06
Speaker 2: the dust now settling, it's easy to see that culturally
38:10
Speaker 2: the Voice vote has proved to be a defining moment
38:13
Speaker 2: in modern Australia, the silent majority refusing to stay silent
38:18
Speaker 2: and finding their own voice. Joining me now, Senior fellow
38:21
Speaker 2: at the Institute of Public Affairs, John Roscine, John, always
38:25
Speaker 2: good to see you. I'll get onto this misinformation legislation
38:30
Speaker 2: in a moment, But let's go back to where we
38:32
Speaker 2: were twelve months ago. And at the start of the
38:35
Speaker 2: Voice campaign, everyone thought you'd be pushing the proverbial uphill.
38:41
Speaker 2: It was not going to be able to be defeated,
38:43
Speaker 2: such was the weight of opinion polls.
38:46
Speaker 3: It was.
38:47
Speaker 2: You've written a report as to what happened in that campaign?
38:52
Speaker 3: What's behind that no vote? What can you tell us?
38:56
Speaker 8: So?
38:56
Speaker 12: Peter advanced and the IPA commissioned the most detailed survey
39:02
Speaker 12: of why Australians voted no. The key reason Australians rejected
39:07
Speaker 12: the Voice is because they said no to the voice
39:11
Speaker 12: of division. Australians overwhelmingly voted as a matter of principle,
39:17
Speaker 12: as a matter of philosophy, that as citizens, we are
39:20
Speaker 12: all equal. And what's interesting, Peter, is that's not just
39:24
Speaker 12: the view of the IPA in advance poll. A survey
39:28
Speaker 12: of the Australian National University found the same result. Australians
39:33
Speaker 12: voted on principle that we are all equal, which is
39:36
Speaker 12: of course the argument of the No campaign, which the
39:41
Speaker 12: Yes supporters never engaged with.
39:44
Speaker 2: That's a very good point because I think we had
39:46
Speaker 2: a conversation early on, I think the October before the
39:50
Speaker 2: Voice was voted on last year. So this is twenty
39:52
Speaker 2: twenty two basically saying I just can't support this on principle.
39:58
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if every Digenous leader in Australia came
40:01
Speaker 3: out to support it.
40:02
Speaker 2: In principle, I can't enshrine in the Constitution anything that
40:08
Speaker 2: defines us or divides us by race. And it's interesting
40:12
Speaker 2: that that's where Australians.
40:13
Speaker 3: Landed, and that's where Australians landed.
40:15
Speaker 12: And what is also interesting is that the people who
40:19
Speaker 12: voted no overwhelmingly were not the well off, they were
40:24
Speaker 12: not the well educated, They were mainstream Australians. The people
40:28
Speaker 12: who voted yes were those in the highest income brackets,
40:31
Speaker 12: those with university degrees. But we also found from our
40:34
Speaker 12: survey that a third of people voted no because they
40:40
Speaker 12: were concerned about the division. Young people voted no. Fifty
40:44
Speaker 12: five percent of young males voted no, and we found
40:49
Speaker 12: that the support of big business, the support of the alites,
40:52
Speaker 12: probably turned people off voting yes very significantly. And for
40:58
Speaker 12: all the debates that the Yes campaign had about what
41:03
Speaker 12: differences would make, they never explained how making us unequal
41:07
Speaker 12: would improve the situation of Indigenous Australians.
41:10
Speaker 2: So if you listen to Professor Meghan Davies, who was
41:12
Speaker 2: one of the co authors of the Voice Architecture, but
41:16
Speaker 2: particularly the Ullerus Statement from the Heart, if you listened
41:19
Speaker 2: to her, the No camp won because of Trumpian lies.
41:24
Speaker 2: And she went so far as to say that if
41:27
Speaker 2: she had in place back then Labour's current Misinformation Bill,
41:32
Speaker 2: the Yes camp would have one have a listen.
41:35
Speaker 14: We were blindsided by quite a lot of misinformation, including
41:40
Speaker 14: in the official pamphlet, and I was on the committees
41:43
Speaker 14: that asked the government to pass an amendment to the
41:45
Speaker 14: legislation that allowed that pamphlet to be fact checked so
41:48
Speaker 14: that every single pamphlet going out to the Australian community
41:51
Speaker 14: wasn't full of political lives.
41:54
Speaker 3: But that didn't happen, so I would have.
41:58
Speaker 2: Been shut down. You we've been shut down Advanced the IPA.
42:03
Speaker 2: We already had to fight hard to get our messages
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Speaker 2: out and we know from the fact checking it was
42:09
Speaker 2: very much against the No campaign. The Yes campaign hardly
42:13
Speaker 2: got fact checked. But if these current laws are on
42:16
Speaker 2: the table were in place, I don't think we would
42:19
Speaker 2: have got there.
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Speaker 3: It would have been a lot more difficult. Peter.
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Speaker 12: And the point to make is that it's misinformation to
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Speaker 12: say that the Voice was defeated because of misinformation. The
42:30
Speaker 12: evidence is absolutely clear the Voice was defeated as a
42:33
Speaker 12: matter of principle. One of the things that we found
42:36
Speaker 12: and other surveys found this too, is that because elite
42:40
Speaker 12: opinion so supported Yes, because mainstream media, including of course
42:45
Speaker 12: the government broadcaster, supported Yes, it was the No campaign
42:50
Speaker 12: and Advance that were able to use social media to
42:53
Speaker 12: allow our mainstream Australians to talk to each other. And
42:57
Speaker 12: what Labor wants to do now is stop that elite
43:01
Speaker 12: media opinion in Australia is predominantly left wing and progressive.
43:06
Speaker 12: They don't need to regulate the mainstream media, it's social media.
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Speaker 12: And so there was a study at Latrobe University that
43:13
Speaker 12: demonstrated that the No campaign was far more successful in
43:18
Speaker 12: communicating that key message about equality of citizenship than the
43:22
Speaker 12: Yes campaign.
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Speaker 3: And that's why Labor want.
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Speaker 12: This Misinformation Bill because for the first time in political debate,
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Speaker 12: Conservatives used social media better than the.
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Speaker 3: Left and this is why they want to before the campaign.
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Speaker 12: Exactly how bad is it, Well, the Misinformation Bill is
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Speaker 12: the biggest threat to freedom of speech we've seen since
43:45
Speaker 12: the nineteen forties. You might remember the Gillard government attempted
43:50
Speaker 12: a media regulator. This is much worse, and it's much
43:55
Speaker 12: worse for the reason that, as we were talking about,
43:59
Speaker 12: because of the views of the mainstream media, people are
44:02
Speaker 12: looking to alternatives, They are looking to new websites, they're
44:05
Speaker 12: looking to podcast. As we talked about during the lockdowns
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Speaker 12: in Melbourne, how so much of the news was distributed
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Speaker 12: through social media and that's what the government want to
44:14
Speaker 12: shut down.
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Speaker 2: And this is why I said tonight, you know this
44:19
Speaker 2: awakening that ordinary Australians had with the voice and how
44:22
Speaker 2: powerful their vote is as a result. If the silent
44:26
Speaker 2: majority raws, we've got to keep going.
44:28
Speaker 3: John Roskin, thank you, thank you. Right after the break,
44:31
Speaker 3: we'll get into a whole lot of other issues.
44:34
Speaker 2: But that justification from Tanya pleva sec on the gold mine,
44:36
Speaker 2: we'll get into that. And underperforming local councils there's a
44:40
Speaker 2: bit of a stick coming for them too. All right,
44:47
Speaker 2: let's bring you my panel without further delay. The wonderful
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Speaker 2: Keith Pitt and Senator Alex Antik joined me tonight. Well,
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Speaker 2: these are so called statement of reasons, not much of
44:56
Speaker 2: the way of reasons, Keith, for v toing the one
45:00
Speaker 2: dollar Blaney gold mine finally issued by Taranya pleversic. But
45:04
Speaker 2: we're told it's a mural on a new South Wales
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Speaker 2: post office.
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Speaker 3: That's proof of a blue banded bee dreaming story.
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Speaker 9: You're kidding me, Peter, When did the goalpost stop moving?
45:18
Speaker 9: I mean, the resource sector in this country. You've got
45:20
Speaker 9: to get through local government, state government, federal government, environmental laws,
45:23
Speaker 9: heritage laws.
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Speaker 3: It goes on and on and on.
45:25
Speaker 9: Now you've got to check every mural in the country
45:27
Speaker 9: just in case they might be something that's used against
45:30
Speaker 9: you to stop it. Plus the Environmental Defender's office using
45:33
Speaker 9: taxpayers money. This has to stop. There will be no
45:36
Speaker 9: further investment in this country unless there's stability. There is
45:39
Speaker 9: real sovereign risk here now.
45:42
Speaker 2: And we've got a bat stopping a big iron on
45:46
Speaker 2: mine in the pilbor Alex.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well apparently so that's the that's how it's being reported. Anyway,
45:54
Speaker 1: we don't know quite what the real story is there,
45:56
Speaker 1: of course, but Keith one hundred percent right. I mean,
45:58
Speaker 1: we are now living in a country where there are
46:01
Speaker 1: a layer upon layer upon layer of green tape on
46:04
Speaker 1: top of red tape. And it's real. I mean, ultimately,
46:07
Speaker 1: people of this country have a right to be able
46:09
Speaker 1: to use and mind their exports. We should be the
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Speaker 1: richest country per capita in the world, twenty six million people.
46:18
Speaker 1: And this, by the way, will get a whole lot
46:21
Speaker 1: worse if this nature positive plan eventually sees the light
46:23
Speaker 1: of day. It seems to have stalled at the moment,
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Speaker 1: But nineteen seventy there were about fifty pages of environmental legislation.
46:30
Speaker 1: There are about three thousand now I think environmental laws
46:34
Speaker 1: pages of environmental legislation, and if this Nature Positive bill passes,
46:37
Speaker 1: it'll double. It may even be as high as seven thousand.
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Speaker 1: So you know, we have to understand that this country
46:43
Speaker 1: is getting strangled. As Keith says, well.
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Speaker 3: Square this circle for me, Keith.
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Speaker 2: A major Chinese Chinese solar panel manufacturer, a Triner Solar,
46:55
Speaker 2: has joined up with a sitting company called sun Drive.
46:58
Speaker 2: Malcolm turn was one of the bigin is there. They're
47:01
Speaker 2: looking to get taxpayer fund and support under the made
47:05
Speaker 2: in Australia policy. We'll give them their Chinese links. How
47:09
Speaker 2: does this add up?
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Speaker 9: Well, Peter, when you sort of run through the list
47:14
Speaker 9: of people that need money for support, you shouldn't stop
47:17
Speaker 9: at billionaires in China. I don't think they need any
47:20
Speaker 9: support whatsoever. They've already got eighty percent of the market cornered.
47:24
Speaker 9: They want to keep that market share, and this is
47:26
Speaker 9: how they'll do it by using taxpayer funds. I mean,
47:28
Speaker 9: what a ridiculous situation. The Australian government has the loan
47:32
Speaker 9: money to China to build solar panels in Australia because
47:35
Speaker 9: they're simply not competitive.
47:39
Speaker 3: And look at this one too.
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Speaker 2: And this is only three of the very big transmission
47:45
Speaker 2: lines that are come in are as many many more,
47:47
Speaker 2: but three of them have been looked at very closely
47:49
Speaker 2: today senat ANTIQ and the costs have doubled. They're out
47:54
Speaker 2: to sixteen billion dollars. I mean this is outrageous because
47:58
Speaker 2: this will be passed on.
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Speaker 3: We know that.
48:00
Speaker 2: And there's also a House Select committee looking into nuclear
48:02
Speaker 2: power set up by Labor with a Labor majority. I
48:06
Speaker 2: all designed to embarrass your mob going into the next election.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition want them.
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Speaker 3: To hold community meetings.
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Speaker 2: They want to get out there with ordinary Australians and
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Speaker 2: talk about nuclear The Labor Party don't want them.
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Speaker 3: They want all your meetings in Canberra.
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Speaker 1: I'm told, yeah, that's right, what greater place to have
48:24
Speaker 1: it with my tongue firmly press and mtually. Of course,
48:26
Speaker 1: the Labor Party want that. They love the rarefied era
48:29
Speaker 1: of that little leftist terrarium that is Parliament House at
48:32
Speaker 1: the moment. But look, it's absolutely right. Look at twenty
48:35
Speaker 1: eight thousand kilometers I think of transmission lines, three thousand,
48:41
Speaker 1: five hundred wind windmills and something like six million. I
48:45
Speaker 1: think sixty million. Sorry solar panels are slated to go in.
48:49
Speaker 1: This is what this Labor government are actually imposing on Australians.
48:52
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton wants to go out for a couple of
48:55
Speaker 1: years and actually speak to the communities about what they
48:57
Speaker 1: want and how they're going to receive nuclear power. This
49:00
Speaker 1: was all done back in twenty nineteen. Keith sat on
49:04
Speaker 1: that Great House Committee which produced an incredible report, as
49:07
Speaker 1: did Ted O'Brien, and they concluded that there was a
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Speaker 1: good case for nuclear and that we should be consulting
49:12
Speaker 1: with the community. And here we are something like four
49:15
Speaker 1: years later, still five years later now talking about the
49:18
Speaker 1: same subjects. I mean, this Labor Party don't really want
49:22
Speaker 1: to know what people think. Because I think there's great
49:23
Speaker 1: support out there for nuclear power.
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Speaker 3: I ain't know wrong. That's why I want to shut
49:28
Speaker 3: it down.
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Speaker 2: Hey, just quickly, Keith, early voting started up your way
49:31
Speaker 2: in Queensland the pmount today with Stephen Miles.
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Speaker 3: I think that's the.
49:35
Speaker 2: Last time will Sam one point four billion dollars though
49:39
Speaker 2: today announced by the Premiere on free school lunches, whether
49:43
Speaker 2: mum and dad can afford.
49:44
Speaker 3: Lunch or not?
49:45
Speaker 2: Now schools are crying out for capital expenditure.
49:49
Speaker 3: But he's doing this, Peter.
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Speaker 9: First day of the pre poll, most marginal seat in Queensland,
49:56
Speaker 9: Bundenberg and you won't be surprised. It's a scare campaign.
49:59
Speaker 3: The L and P.
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Speaker 9: We will sell a hospital it's not even built yet.
50:01
Speaker 9: It's just ridiculous. Then we get one point four billion
50:04
Speaker 9: announced for schools who have no facilities to deliver these services.
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Speaker 9: I tell you who got the biggest fright yesterday, and
50:11
Speaker 9: that was every school principle in Queensland because they've got
50:13
Speaker 9: no way to put this through. And why would you
50:16
Speaker 9: Why would you want public servants making food for your
50:18
Speaker 9: children every day? And what about all of the allergies
50:21
Speaker 9: at nuts and gluten free and everything else. I just
50:23
Speaker 9: think this is another thing from Queensland labor.
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Speaker 3: It's labor. Say enough, thank you, gentlemen, see you next week.
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Speaker 3: All right, that's it for me. Here's Andrew