Latest / The Vault: The Epstein Files / The House on Chew Avenue: Raymond Horsch And The Missing Women (Part 2) (10/5/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
- 0:03Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off,
- 0:06Speaker 1: talking about R.J. Horsch and his house of horrors. Amy
- 0:11Speaker 1: McHale disappeared years before police knew what Raymond had stored
- 0:16Speaker 1: on his computers. She had married Raymond in 2004, divorced
- 0:21Speaker 1: him several years later, and nevertheless continued visiting him afterward.
- 0:25Speaker 1: On June 13, 2016, McHale was at the Chew Avenue
- 0:27Speaker 1: house and spoke with her mother by telephone. She told
- 0:33Speaker 1: her mother that she intended to come home, but she
- 0:36Speaker 1: sounded intoxicated and her mother encouraged her to stay where
- 0:39Speaker 1: she was rather than to travel. Early the following morning,
- 0:44Speaker 1: Amy left a voicemail for her daughter, Amanda Stouffer, saying
- 0:47Speaker 1: that she was okay. No confirmed communication from Amy has
- 0:51Speaker 1: been publicly documented after that message. Raymond told relatives and
- 0:56Speaker 1: investigators that Amy had been drinking vodka. then he went
- 0:59Speaker 1: to sleep, and that she was gone when he awoke.
- 1:03Speaker 1: Her family never accepted her disappearance as something Amy would
- 1:06Speaker 1: simply choose to do, and her mother later recalled Amy
- 1:09Speaker 1: once saying that if anything happened to her, Raymond would
- 1:13Speaker 1: be responsible. Years passed without answers, and Raymond eventually died
- 1:19Speaker 1: without publicly explaining anything more about Amy's final night at
- 1:23Speaker 1: the house. Then police entered Chew Avenue in 2026 and
- 1:27Speaker 1: and discovered that Amy's disappearance was only one of several
- 1:31Speaker 1: mysteries orbiting the same address. Blair Tanzelli came into Raymond's
- 1:36Speaker 1: life years later and reportedly spent long periods at the
- 1:39Speaker 1: Chew Avenue residence. Raymond described her as a home health aide,
- 1:44Speaker 1: while friends remembered gradually losing contact with her. By August 2022,
- 1:49Speaker 1: one friend said communication from Blair had stopped. Her known
- 1:53Speaker 1: social media activity also went quiet. and in February of 2023,
- 1:58Speaker 1: friends officially reported her missing. One of those friends told
- 2:01Speaker 1: investigators that Blair had last been seen at the Horsch property.
- 2:06Speaker 1: For more than three years, the case produced no public breakthrough. Then,
- 2:11Speaker 1: her name suddenly surfaced inside Eugene Horsch's BMW on June 19, 2026.
- 2:17Speaker 1: A different woman was carrying identification containing Blair's name and
- 2:22Speaker 1: her own photograph. Bank cards bearing Tanzeli's name were also
- 2:26Speaker 1: reportedly recovered from the house during the wider investigation, and
- 2:30Speaker 1: yet there was still no Blair. But there were pieces
- 2:33Speaker 1: of her identity moving through the hands of other people
- 2:36Speaker 1: connected to the same residence where she had once stayed.
- 2:40Speaker 1: The missing woman herself remained absent, but her name had
- 2:43Speaker 1: returned to the house. Gabrielle Amarando represents another haunting branch
- 2:49Speaker 1: of the investigation. She was reported missing beginning in 2012
- 2:53Speaker 1: when she was approximately 22 years old. For years, her
- 2:57Speaker 1: disappearance existed as its own case, disconnected publicly from Raymond
- 3:02Speaker 1: Horsch and the Chew Avenue property. That changed when investigators
- 3:07Speaker 1: began examining Raymond's digital archive. Police say photographs or videos
- 3:12Speaker 1: appear to show Gabrielle alive and later in a condition
- 3:15Speaker 1: they believe is consistent with death. Some of the material
- 3:20Speaker 1: associated with her reportedly carries metadata dating to 2017. If
- 3:25Speaker 1: that dating is accurate, then Gabrielle may have survived for
- 3:28Speaker 1: years after the point when her family and others had
- 3:31Speaker 1: lost contact with her. That possibility adds another layer to
- 3:35Speaker 1: an already complicated timeline and gives investigators a new period
- 3:39Speaker 1: of Gabrielle's life to reconstruct. Her family and friends have
- 3:43Speaker 1: spoken about her struggle with addiction, but they have also
- 3:47Speaker 1: insisted that addiction was not the totality of who she was.
- 3:51Speaker 1: Somewhere inside Raymond Horsch's enormous archive may be the missing
- 3:55Speaker 1: years of Gabrielle Amarando's life, and possibly the explanation for
- 4:00Speaker 1: how those years ended. Maribel Fresas vanished in 2018 at
- 4:05Speaker 1: the age of 27. Like Gabrielle, she would eventually appear
- 4:09Speaker 1: inside material recovered from the Chew Avenue house. Investigators say
- 4:13Speaker 1: images show Maribel alive and then later apparently dead or
- 4:18Speaker 1: gravely incapacitated. Her brother, Dawson Fressis, spent years without knowing
- 4:23Speaker 1: what happened to her. The discovery of those images transformed
- 4:26Speaker 1: the question surrounding Maribel's disappearance. Detectives can now place her
- 4:31Speaker 1: inside Raymond's photographic world, but that discovery created a new
- 4:35Speaker 1: mystery instead of immediately solving the old one. Where was
- 4:38Speaker 1: the material recorded? Who else was present? And what happened
- 4:42Speaker 1: before and after the images were created? If the scenes
- 4:46Speaker 1: were staged, investigators still have to explain why a missing
- 4:49Speaker 1: woman appears within them and where she went afterward. If
- 4:53Speaker 1: the scenes were real, investigators have to locate whatever physical
- 4:57Speaker 1: evidence remains after nearly a decade. For Maribel's family, the
- 5:01Speaker 1: photographs potentially represent the first substantial clue to emerge after
- 5:06Speaker 1: years of silence and also the most devastating one imaginable.
- 5:12Speaker 1: The evidence involving Nicole Amanda Fusaro is even more disturbing
- 5:16Speaker 1: because police say that Raymond himself appears in the recovered footage.
- 5:21Speaker 1: Nicole was last seen in Kensington around July 19, 2018,
- 5:26Speaker 1: when she was 27 years old. Her mother searched for
- 5:29Speaker 1: her for years, but died in January of 2020 without
- 5:32Speaker 1: learning what happened to her daughter. Nicole's cousin Jonathan Halloran-Corin
- 5:37Speaker 1: later continued that search and helped place her into the
- 5:40Speaker 1: National Missing Person System. Then, investigators reviewing Raymond's files discovered
- 5:45Speaker 1: a video that immediately stood apart from the rest. Police
- 5:49Speaker 1: have described footage showing a woman using drugs, receiving money,
- 5:53Speaker 1: being handcuffed to a bed, and then having a zip
- 5:56Speaker 1: tie tightened around her neck by Raymond. According to investigators,
- 6:01Speaker 1: Raymond continued tightening the restraint until the woman became unconscious
- 6:05Speaker 1: or appeared lifeless. Members of Nicole Fasaro's family subsequently identified
- 6:10Speaker 1: the woman in that recording and as Nicole. The video
- 6:13Speaker 1: places Raymond physically inside the act, being investigated, rather than
- 6:18Speaker 1: merely behind a camera documenting a motionless subject. For detectives
- 6:22Speaker 1: trying to determine whether Raymond's violent fantasies ever crossed into
- 6:26Speaker 1: actual killing, the Fusaro footage may be one of the
- 6:29Speaker 1: most important pieces of evidence recovered from the entire house. Nicole, Gabrielle,
- 6:35Speaker 1: and Maribel are not the only women whose images have
- 6:38Speaker 1: alarmed investigators. Police say another woman, approximately 25 years old,
- 6:43Speaker 1: appears unconscious and visibly injured in photographs recovered from the property.
- 6:48Speaker 1: Authorities believe she may also be dead. Another woman believed
- 6:52Speaker 1: to have been in her mid-20s remains publicly unidentified. She
- 6:56Speaker 1: too appears lifeless and injured in Raymond's material. One of
- 7:00Speaker 1: the women reportedly had never been listed as missing before
- 7:03Speaker 1: investigators encountered her image. That discovery opens a frightening possibility.
- 7:09Speaker 1: about how many women may have disappeared without leaving behind
- 7:12Speaker 1: the kind of paper trail that normally triggers a major investigation.
- 7:18Speaker 1: Raymond sought out women dealing with addiction, instability, homelessness, and
- 7:23Speaker 1: circumstances that often separated them from relatives and traditional support systems.
- 7:29Speaker 1: If more unidentified women appear as investigators continue reviewing the archive,
- 7:34Speaker 1: detectives may first have to determine who they were, before
- 7:38Speaker 1: they can begin determining what happened to them. And the
- 7:41Speaker 1: scale of that archive makes the investigation unlike an ordinary
- 7:45Speaker 1: missing person's case. By September, authorities said more than 1
- 7:49Speaker 1: million photographs, videos, and other digital files had been recovered.
- 7:54Speaker 1: FBI officials indicated that only roughly 30% had been reviewed
- 7:59Speaker 1: by the middle of that month. Investigators had already identified
- 8:03Speaker 1: approximately 58 people appearing in material considered relevant to the inquiry.
- 8:09Speaker 1: Some of those women were alive and had been located
- 8:12Speaker 1: for interviews. Others were still being sought by detectives. At
- 8:16Speaker 1: least 10 women appearing in Raymond's material were already known
- 8:19Speaker 1: to have later died of overdoses elsewhere, giving investigators confirmed
- 8:24Speaker 1: examples of women in the archive whose death had nothing
- 8:27Speaker 1: to do with homicide. That makes the review painstaking, because
- 8:32Speaker 1: every face must be researched independently and every scene has
- 8:36Speaker 1: to be examined and on its own merits. Detectives cannot
- 8:40Speaker 1: simply count the women in Raymond's films and declare them victims.
- 8:44Speaker 1: They have to reconstruct dozens of lives, determine who survived,
- 8:48Speaker 1: determine who died elsewhere, identify who disappeared, and isolate the
- 8:53Speaker 1: files that may document something far more sinister. One woman
- 8:57Speaker 1: who illustrates that complexity was Krista Killen. Killen lived at
- 9:01Speaker 1: the She died from an accidental drug overdose in August
- 9:09Speaker 1: of 2025, several months after Raymond himself died. The medical
- 9:14Speaker 1: examiner classified her death as an overdose and not a homicide.
- 9:18Speaker 1: Friends said Krista did not consider Raymond physically dangerous, giving
- 9:23Speaker 1: investigators another perspective on what life inside the house could
- 9:27Speaker 1: look like. But those same accounts introduced a different source
- 9:30Speaker 1: of fear. Krista reportedly told friends that she was frightened
- 9:34Speaker 1: of Eugene. and describes an incident which he broke through
- 9:37Speaker 1: a locked basement door carrying a gun and screaming threats
- 9:40Speaker 1: until Raymond intervened. No publicly identified prosecution resulted from that
- 9:46Speaker 1: alleged confrontation. After Krista died, Eugene posted online that the
- 9:51Speaker 1: two had been in love and intended to marry, a
- 9:54Speaker 1: characterization her friends disputed. Her story demonstrates why detectives can't
- 10:00Speaker 1: treat Chew Avenue House as a single simple narrative, because
- 10:04Speaker 1: different people who pass through it appear to have experienced
- 10:07Speaker 1: very different versions of the men who live there. Now,
- 10:10Speaker 1: the house itself has become an enormous piece of evidence. Investigators,
- 10:15Speaker 1: recovered computers, storage devices, firearms, ammunition, identification documents, financial records, drugs, chemicals,
- 10:23Speaker 1: and containers holding unusual substances. They discovered concealed or unusual
- 10:28Speaker 1: areas and began comparing the physical layout of the property
- 10:32Speaker 1: with images appearing in Raymond's files. A 55-gallon drum connected
- 10:36Speaker 1: to pipes or hoses drew particular attention because Raymond had
- 10:41Speaker 1: written about chemical methods of body disposal. Numerous containers holding
- 10:46Speaker 1: oily or sludge-like material were removed for testing. Police examined
- 10:50Speaker 1: sewer lines, plumbing systems, and parts of surrounding properties. Five
- 10:54Speaker 1: urns containing cremated remains were also recovered, although investigators believe
- 10:59Speaker 1: several can be accounted for as the remains of Raymond,
- 11:02Speaker 1: his sister, and another person known to the family. Other
- 11:06Speaker 1: material was sent to laboratories for further examination. The question
- 11:10Speaker 1: confronting forensic teams is whether anything hidden in those walls, pipes, containers, floors,
- 11:16Speaker 1: or storage areas can be matched or to one of
- 11:18Speaker 1: the women appearing in the digital evidence. Investigators also found
- 11:23Speaker 1: a handwritten document filled with references to violence, Ted Bundy,
- 11:27Speaker 1: zip ties, and a prepared drum. The author has not
- 11:30Speaker 1: been publicly established, making the paper another mystery inside a
- 11:34Speaker 1: house already filled with them. Under ordinary circumstances, a document
- 11:38Speaker 1: describing violent conduct found inside such a property would immediately
- 11:42Speaker 1: appear incriminating. Raymond Horsch makes the interpretation more complicated and
- 11:47Speaker 1: because he spent years writing fiction deliberately designed to sound
- 11:51Speaker 1: autobiographical and confessional. He wrote about serial killers and disposal methods,
- 11:57Speaker 1: while cultivating an image of himself as someone who enjoyed
- 12:00Speaker 1: making people wonder what was real. Investigators therefore have to
- 12:04Speaker 1: treat him, and his most disturbing writings is evidence requiring corroboration,
- 12:09Speaker 1: rather than explanation by themselves. The same is true of
- 12:12Speaker 1: his interest in alkaline hydrolysis, sometimes called water cremation. Police
- 12:18Speaker 1: have explored whether chemicals and equipment in the house correspond
- 12:21Speaker 1: to the body disposal ideas Raymond described in writing. Nothing
- 12:26Speaker 1: publicly released so far establishes that a human body was
- 12:29Speaker 1: destroyed through such a process at Chew Avenue. But the
- 12:33Speaker 1: possibility is serious enough that investigators have examined plumbing, substances, containers,
- 12:38Speaker 1: and structural areas searching for biological traces that writing alone
- 12:43Speaker 1: cannot provide. The investigation has already produced examples of why
- 12:47Speaker 1: forensic testing matters more than appearances. Early in the search,
- 12:51Speaker 1: authorities believed the substance inside the house might represent a
- 12:54Speaker 1: significant amount of blood. Laboratory testing determined that it was
- 12:58Speaker 1: not blood at all. Testing, reported publicly, also failed to
- 13:02Speaker 1: identify Amy McHale or Blair Tanzelli's DNA on the particular
- 13:06Speaker 1: items that were examined. Those results did not end the investigation,
- 13:11Speaker 1: but they forced detectives to keep separating Dramatic Possibility, From
- 13:15Speaker 1: physical evidence, Raymond had deliberately created a house, an archive,
- 13:19Speaker 1: in which theatrical violence and possible real violence occupied the
- 13:23Speaker 1: same landscape. A photograph of a motionless woman may be
- 13:26Speaker 1: a staged scene, a medical emergency, an overdose, or something
- 13:31Speaker 1: far worse. A container may look suspicious without containing human material.
- 13:37Speaker 1: A violent story may sound like a confession while actually
- 13:40Speaker 1: being fiction. That's why the investigation has increasingly moved toward
- 13:44Speaker 1: matching specific digital scenes with specific physical locations. If investigators
- 13:50Speaker 1: can identify a room shown in a video and recover
- 13:53Speaker 1: biological material from the exact place depicted, the wall between
- 13:57Speaker 1: Raymond's fantasy world and the physical world begins to collapse.
- 14:01Speaker 1: That effort is entering its most aggressive stage yet. Beginning
- 14:05Speaker 1: October 5th, 2026, investigators plan to launch an invasive forensic
- 14:10Speaker 1: examination of of 417 West 2 Avenue. Earlier searches had
- 14:15Speaker 1: documented the property, excavated portions of it, examined plumbing, and
- 14:20Speaker 1: removed numerous items for laboratory analysis. The new phase was
- 14:24Speaker 1: designed to go much further. Authorities planned to remove flooring,
- 14:28Speaker 1: break in the walls, strip sections of plaster, and search
- 14:32Speaker 1: structural spaces that previous examinations could not reach. Digital evidence
- 14:37Speaker 1: was expected to help guide them towards specific rooms and locations,
- 14:41Speaker 1: appearing in Raymond's photographs and videos. Investigators would be looking
- 14:46Speaker 1: for blood, DNA, trace material, concealed remains, or other evidence
- 14:50Speaker 1: capable of surviving years inside the property. By late September,
- 14:55Speaker 1: authorities had reportedly obtained approximately 95 search warrants connected to
- 14:59Speaker 1: the investigation. Many remain unavailable publicly because the inquiry is
- 15:04Speaker 1: still active. meaning investigators possess a far more detailed evidentiary
- 15:08Speaker 1: picture than anyone outside law enforcement. What happens inside that
- 15:13Speaker 1: house during this forensic phase could determine whether the disturbing
- 15:17Speaker 1: scenes found on Raymond's computers can finally be anchored to
- 15:21Speaker 1: physical events. Now, Raymond Horsch will never be confronted with
- 15:25Speaker 1: what investigators have found. He died in May of 2025,
- 15:29Speaker 1: more than a year before the June encounter with Eugene
- 15:32Speaker 1: opened the door to the wider investigation. That means detectives
- 15:36Speaker 1: cannot sit Raymond across the table and place the photographs
- 15:39Speaker 1: in front of him. They can't ask him why Amy
- 15:41Speaker 1: McHale disappeared after spending the night at his house. They
- 15:45Speaker 1: can't ask what happened to Blair Tanzelli after friends last
- 15:48Speaker 1: connected her to the property. They can't demand an explanation
- 15:51Speaker 1: for the images of Gabrielle, Amarando, and Maribel Fresas. They
- 15:56Speaker 1: can't ask him to explain the Nicole Fasaro footage or
- 16:00Speaker 1: identify the women whose names remain unknown. Every answer that
- 16:03Speaker 1: Raymond might have carried... died with him. What remains are
- 16:06Speaker 1: the things he left behind, including computers, photographs, films, writings,
- 16:12Speaker 1: physical objects, financial records, and a house now being dismantled
- 16:16Speaker 1: by investigators searching for evidence. Raymond spent years deliberately making
- 16:21Speaker 1: it difficult for audiences to tell where his fiction ended
- 16:24Speaker 1: and his real life began, and now detectives are being
- 16:27Speaker 1: forced to solve that puzzle without the man who created it.
- 16:32Speaker 1: For the families, however, this investigation is not an intellectual
- 16:35Speaker 1: puzzle about Raymond's art or persona. Amy McHale's daughter still
- 16:40Speaker 1: has the memory of the final voicemail her mother left
- 16:43Speaker 1: before disappearing. Blair Tanzelli's friends know that her identity somehow
- 16:47Speaker 1: surfaced years later in the possession of another woman riding
- 16:51Speaker 1: with Eugene Horsch. Gabrielle Amarando's loved ones know that photographs
- 16:56Speaker 1: may document a period of her life they previously knew
- 16:59Speaker 1: nothing about. Maribel Fress's brother has been forced to confront
- 17:03Speaker 1: the possibility that Raymond's archive contains evidence showing what happened
- 17:07Speaker 1: to his sister. Nicole Fasaro's relatives have been shown a
- 17:11Speaker 1: path toward an answer so graphic that her cousin later
- 17:15Speaker 1: criticized how some details were released publicly. The family of
- 17:19Speaker 1: another woman has asked authorities to shield her identity while
- 17:22Speaker 1: the investigation continues. An additional woman still does not have
- 17:26Speaker 1: a public name at all. Behind every file investigators open
- 17:30Speaker 1: is a possibility that another family may receive the phone
- 17:33Speaker 1: call these families have already received. What Raymond Horsch preserved
- 17:37Speaker 1: on film may ultimately become the record that restores names, timelines,
- 17:42Speaker 1: and answers to women who disappeared long before police understood
- 17:46Speaker 1: that their stories might be connected. And the task now
- 17:50Speaker 1: facing investigators is enormous, but increasingly focused. They have to
- 17:54Speaker 1: authenticate original video files and determine whether they were altered, edited,
- 17:58Speaker 1: or staged. They have to examine metadata and establish when
- 18:03Speaker 1: and where each scene was recorded. They have to identify
- 18:06Speaker 1: every woman who appears in suspicious material and trace what
- 18:09Speaker 1: happened to her afterward. They have to compare rooms visible
- 18:13Speaker 1: in the photographs with rooms inside the Two Avenue property.
- 18:17Speaker 1: They have to test walls, flooring, pipes, containers, and equipment
- 18:20Speaker 1: for blood, DNA, and and microscopic biological evidence. They have
- 18:25Speaker 1: to revisit old missing person reports that may have been
- 18:28Speaker 1: investigated years before anyone knew Raymond Horsch's archive existed. They
- 18:33Speaker 1: have to locate surviving women who modeled for Raymond and
- 18:36Speaker 1: ask what they witnessed while moving through his world. They
- 18:39Speaker 1: have to determine whether the apparent deaths captured on camera
- 18:42Speaker 1: were performances, overdoses, assaults, or deliberate killings. And with hundreds
- 18:48Speaker 1: of thousands of files still waiting to be reviewed, They
- 18:51Speaker 1: have to accept the possibility that the most important piece
- 18:54Speaker 1: of evidence has not even been opened yet. For years,
- 18:57Speaker 1: Raymond Horsch surrounded himself with imagery of women restrained, unconscious, dead,
- 19:02Speaker 1: or seemingly disposed of, and he repeatedly invited people to
- 19:06Speaker 1: wonder whether any of it was real. Now the question
- 19:09Speaker 1: no longer belongs to Raymond. It belongs to the FBI,
- 19:13Speaker 1: Philadelphia detectives, forensic scientists, medical examiners, and the families who
- 19:18Speaker 1: have waited years for answers. The house on 2 Avenue
- 19:22Speaker 1: is being opened wall by wall, while investigators work through
- 19:26Speaker 1: Raymond's digital life file by file. And somewhere in that
- 19:30Speaker 1: combination of physical evidence and recorded imagery may be the
- 19:34Speaker 1: final movements of Gabrielle Amarando, Maribel Fresas, Nicole Fasaro, Amy McHale,
- 19:40Speaker 1: Blair Tanzelli, and the women whose identities have not yet
- 19:44Speaker 1: been made public. The photographs may show investigators where to search.
- 19:48Speaker 1: The house may tell them what happened there. The metadata
- 19:52Speaker 1: may establish when the women entered Raymond's world and when
- 19:55Speaker 1: they disappeared from everyone else's. The surviving witnesses may finally
- 19:59Speaker 1: fill in the spaces Raymond left deliberately obscure. And if
- 20:04Speaker 1: investigators can bring those pieces together, the persona Raymond spent
- 20:08Speaker 1: decades constructing may ultimately become irrelevant. Because after all the aliases, stories,
- 20:15Speaker 1: violent fantasies, photographs, hidden files, missing women, and years of silence,
- 20:21Speaker 1: the only story that matters now is the one that
- 20:24Speaker 1: the evidence tells. All the information that goes with this
- 20:29Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box.