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Capítulo 038: Femme Defense Part 2 · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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Speaker 1: been a hot minute. Your local thoughts have been very busy.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. We've been running around all over the place.
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Speaker 1: We're exhausted, but we're having a lot of fun. We're
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Speaker 1: having a lot of fun. Um And just to recap,
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Speaker 1: you know, last time on Look at our Radio, we
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Speaker 1: interviewed Claudia Arragon. The Capital just came out recently. Honestly,
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Speaker 1: because we have been so busy and editing, it took
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Speaker 1: a little longer than I would have liked it too.
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Speaker 1: But if y'all tuned in, thank you for listening. And
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Speaker 1: if you haven't, it's a really great interview with Claudia
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Speaker 1: where we discuss self love as resistance stylist politics, specifically
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Speaker 1: for indigenous women and Peru. So it was a really
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Speaker 1: fun interview for me and yeah, and it was in Spanish,
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Speaker 1: and it was in Spanish. It was our first international
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Speaker 1: call as well. Oh my god, yes, because Claudia is
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Speaker 1: based in Peru. She's based in Gusco while she's from Cusco,
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Speaker 1: but I believe she's based in Lima. So yeah, so
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Speaker 1: it was for us. It was very exciting. It was
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Speaker 1: really exciting. So thank you once again Claudia for doing
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Speaker 1: a Facebook like call with us. Yes, we had her
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Speaker 1: up on the screen and it was really cute, so
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Speaker 1: thank you. Yes, and um so also we have we
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Speaker 1: just wanted to check in and share about some of
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Speaker 1: the events that we've been at. We have. We've been
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Speaker 1: all over, We've been all over. We were even supposed
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Speaker 1: to be in the Bay like a few days ago, honestly,
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Speaker 1: but it just could not happen. We had to move
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Speaker 1: some things, we had to move some things around, and
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Speaker 1: you know what, it just be like that when you
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Speaker 1: have two full time jobs practically, yeah, yeah, so we
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Speaker 1: each work full time and then the podcast. The number
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Speaker 1: of hours that it actually takes to keep this thing
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Speaker 1: going every week amounts to like a forty hour like right, ammitment,
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Speaker 1: plus the events in the prep, inda driving and all
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Speaker 1: that stuff that we love. We absolutely love all of it.
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Speaker 1: But it is time. And um, yeah, so we've been gigging,
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Speaker 1: yes we have. So at the beginning of the month
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Speaker 1: we were at USC we did our multidimensional home workshop
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Speaker 1: the Latino Student Assembly and one of the stories that
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Speaker 1: I'm freeing the name, but thank you Karen for inviting us.
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Speaker 1: And this is the second time that Karen's specific so
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Speaker 1: we love her. Shout out by someone shout out girl, Yes,
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Speaker 1: and um, we walked out of that. We walked out
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Speaker 1: of that workshop like did we just like talk about
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Speaker 1: home ship for like two hours? We didn't. At sucking
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Speaker 1: USC and an institute, an institution of higher education, we did,
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Speaker 1: and they let us say a lot us. They let
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Speaker 1: us We're totally on the stage. Is my favorite part
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Speaker 1: of all of this actually, Okay, so we had such
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Speaker 1: a wonderful, wonderful time talking with the move head. Is
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Speaker 1: that attended and you know, it's kind of our expectation
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Speaker 1: that our listeners and the women are the folks that
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Speaker 1: are going to attend our workshops are women. Occasionally, for
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Speaker 1: the most occasionally there will be queer men. Sometimes there
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Speaker 1: are like sis hetero men that are there as well,
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Speaker 1: but for the most part the majority are women and fens,
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Speaker 1: and they do have a strong contingent of queer men.
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Speaker 1: Yes we do, shut up. Yes, please see you, Yes
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Speaker 1: we see you. And for this workshop, you know, we
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Speaker 1: talked about um whole things, right, We talked about our
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Speaker 1: multidimensional ho but we turned it into a workshop and
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Speaker 1: we talked about like the origins of the word whore.
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Speaker 1: We talked about like you know, thoughts and hose and
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Speaker 1: like what that means and what it takes to be
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Speaker 1: called a hole or a thought or a slut not
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Speaker 1: much basically just breathing, showing your shoulders right right right,
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Speaker 1: you can be su for just you know, having a tattoo.
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Speaker 1: You feel me so anyway, So we talked about that,
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Speaker 1: and then also of course we talked about like sex
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Speaker 1: workers and then being very foundational to a lot of
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Speaker 1: like the feminist theory that we that we talked about
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Speaker 1: right in practice and all of those things. So it
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Speaker 1: was like such a great workshop and the heads were
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Speaker 1: so um in like they engaged with us, you know,
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Speaker 1: like they like talked, they shared like it was really
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Speaker 1: really wonderful, it was really great, and the vibe was
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Speaker 1: so good. And then we also so they shared with
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Speaker 1: us that there were a few Latino men, a few
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Speaker 1: in one of the Latino fraternities at US, and they
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Speaker 1: were not happy. They did not like it. The Multidimensional
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Speaker 1: Home Workshop, right. Um. They apparently there were a few
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Speaker 1: uh screenshots of the flyer that the that the head
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Speaker 1: is made about the workshop, and then there were like
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Speaker 1: sent they were sending it around in a few group
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Speaker 1: chats and basically saying like, oh, we're celebrating this now,
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Speaker 1: Oh y'all are taking walk too far. Oh y'all are
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Speaker 1: basically a bunch of homes. They were like, oh, so
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Speaker 1: we're claiming ho ship now, Like now we're proud to
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Speaker 1: be hoped. This is coming from Latino men. They're directing
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Speaker 1: this at the latinas on campus who are inviting us.
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Speaker 1: First of all, they weren't even there, they didn't even come.
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Speaker 1: They made all these assumptions about what we were talking about. Right.
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Speaker 1: What that tells me is that ya should have probably
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Speaker 1: been at the workshop because you'll probably needed it. And
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Speaker 1: you probably call hosts called women hosts for no time,
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Speaker 1: so you can you can bring that into your vocabulary,
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Speaker 1: but let us choose to make an event around it
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Speaker 1: for us, and it's a problem. My other thing is
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Speaker 1: like I already see I already see that sucking patriarchy
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Speaker 1: and ma cheese mall in the community where the boys
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Speaker 1: think they have anything to say whatsoever about what the
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Speaker 1: moheads are doing and the programming they're bringing to campus.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, and this is just in general
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Speaker 1: about men, And I'm like, you know what, you don't
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Speaker 1: actually have to have an opinion about everything or share
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Speaker 1: your thoughts about everything if it's not for you, if
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Speaker 1: it's not about you, you're not invited, Like nobody asked
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Speaker 1: you about it, you're not being required to do anything.
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Speaker 1: It literally like you could ignore it. Why on it?
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Speaker 1: Why right? Right, let's let's put a pin in that
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Speaker 1: and bring that back because we got a lot more
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Speaker 1: to say. We have that, we have a lot more
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Speaker 1: to talk about. We got okay, so we haven't recorded
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Speaker 1: in a hot minute, like we already said, and so
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Speaker 1: much has been happening per usual, right, life moves really quickly.
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Speaker 1: We have been all over the place, and we have
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Speaker 1: so much that we want to talk about, but we
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Speaker 1: all we also want to recap on the events that
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Speaker 1: we were invited to, so also you know, like highlight
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Speaker 1: shout out the moheads that have been basically bringing us out. Right.
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Speaker 1: So the next so after the after you see, I
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Speaker 1: think it was the same week, Yeah, the exact same week,
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Speaker 1: we went to UC Santa Barbara and we gave a
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Speaker 1: keynote for their conference. Their morehead of the UCSB invited
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Speaker 1: us out to be the keynotes and um mala, do
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Speaker 1: you want to share a little bit about the keynote
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Speaker 1: that we did. Yeah. So the conference brings in girls
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Speaker 1: from the local community, you know, near UC Santa Barbara,
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Speaker 1: and we came in and basically they prefaced and they
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Speaker 1: prepped us and let us know that like recently at
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Speaker 1: one of the high schools and the name of the
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Speaker 1: high school is Escaping mean Medico High School, San Maricos
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Speaker 1: High School, that there was actually online a really horrific
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Speaker 1: situation where there was like a group of boys on
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Speaker 1: the internet and like a couple in particular who were
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Speaker 1: like posting very specific targeted threats about like killing and
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Speaker 1: attacking um girls on campus. Pretty specifically and like naming
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Speaker 1: the girls. UM. So that was a really stressful situation,
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Speaker 1: and so we brought that into our keynote. So we
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Speaker 1: do keynotes. The second keynote that we've done, we do
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Speaker 1: keynotes putting that out there. And this was a really
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Speaker 1: great keynote because we talked about like our fem defense.
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Speaker 1: We talked about in some ways like we opened up
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Speaker 1: and broke down um, the CAPLO we did on street harassment.
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Speaker 1: We talked about our own experiences like surviving street harassments
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Speaker 1: and surviving our own communities, surviving the sexual violence UM.
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Speaker 1: And so we wanted to be very like motivational for
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Speaker 1: the girls but also like validate their experiences. They all
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Speaker 1: agreed with us that they've all heard all of them right,
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Speaker 1: they've all been called locat at from point in their life.
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Speaker 1: They've all been followed and cat called and street her asked,
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Speaker 1: made to feel uncomfortable, like they acknowledge these things. And
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Speaker 1: then we put together a cute little prayer we dida
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Speaker 1: that they love right. We'll be sharing that later at
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Speaker 1: a later time. So, yeah, that was ucsp it was.
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Speaker 1: It was great. Yeah, And then the following week we
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Speaker 1: were at USC again, one of our listeners, one of
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Speaker 1: our local motes, Sasha Robles, she emailed us about doing
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Speaker 1: a fem defense work shop. So we did a firm
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Speaker 1: defense workshop in partnership with Peace Over Violence and talked
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Speaker 1: about sexual violence for women in firms of color and
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Speaker 1: specifically our role was to facilitate the firm defense workshop
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Speaker 1: and from Peace over Violence. Ebony Williams was there. She's
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Speaker 1: a therapist, She's wonderful, and she was talking about like
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Speaker 1: historically women of color and sexual assaults Black women and
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Speaker 1: stereotypes of sexual assault, and Ebony as a queer Black
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Speaker 1: woman and a therapist in the sexual assault field, bringing
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Speaker 1: in her perspective and that history. So it was a
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Speaker 1: really well rounded conversation. It was I mean, I really
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Speaker 1: appreciated the way she broke down, um, all of the
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Speaker 1: stereotypes about women of color, um. And she she like
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Speaker 1: spoke about you know, Api women and like the generalizations
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Speaker 1: and sexualization made about Asian women, Latino women right this
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Speaker 1: the this fiery like hot Tomali type, the exotic sizing. Right,
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Speaker 1: So she like broke down also for Native American women
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Speaker 1: and specifically black women, talked about the different stereotypes that
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Speaker 1: are really harmful and also normalize and justify sexual assault
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Speaker 1: and sexual harassment of us as women of color. So
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Speaker 1: it was unlike my last said, it was a really
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Speaker 1: well rounded I feel like Ebony brought the historical right
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Speaker 1: part and also um historical and also like practical is
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Speaker 1: not the right word, but like the workshop was for
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Speaker 1: folks that are in their social work department at USC,
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Speaker 1: So basically like if you're going to be a social worker,
10:27
Speaker 1: you know, and you're going to be giving services to folks, like,
10:30
Speaker 1: how do you take this and then apply it to
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Speaker 1: the services? Does that make sense exactly? And bringing the
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Speaker 1: historical context and the cultural context is exactly. Yeah. So
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Speaker 1: that was USC again, so thank you Sasha, and thank
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Speaker 1: you after that, just yesterday we had an event actually
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Speaker 1: right yesterday, we had last night. We were at Loosinger
10:49
Speaker 1: High School in Lawndale Hawthorne Um with Let's Give there
10:54
Speaker 1: at their second annual tribe called Culture, and we were
10:57
Speaker 1: doing the interviews with the performers. We got to meet
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Speaker 1: all the youth and all the youth and artists that
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Speaker 1: were performing last night. So there were speakers and of
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Speaker 1: course speakers, I mean poets, spoken word artists, a lot
11:10
Speaker 1: of spoken word artists, musicians, singers, dancers there um, And
11:17
Speaker 1: so of course we saw Moranita and Hood Profit, which
11:20
Speaker 1: we had interviewed. If you saw our last six, they
11:24
Speaker 1: were on it. They were talking about Let's give. So
11:26
Speaker 1: this is the second time that we've participated in tripical
11:29
Speaker 1: culture and it just keeps getting bigger and better. And yes,
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Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. Thank you everybody, Mona
11:35
Speaker 1: and Dandy Mandy for having us and for all the
11:37
Speaker 1: folks that Let's give. The event was so great. It
11:39
Speaker 1: was great. So now getting into our our content, this
11:43
Speaker 1: is kind of another firm Defense episode. In some ways,
11:47
Speaker 1: it's another firm defense law. We are coming towards the
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Speaker 1: end now. By the time we published this, it will
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Speaker 1: be the end of sexual assault awareness months, will be
11:54
Speaker 1: moving into May. But April a sexual assault awareness month,
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Speaker 1: right very important. This is a survivor sent Her podcast
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Speaker 1: and we ourselves individually, like outside of the podcasts, are
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Speaker 1: always working on different aspects of like survivorship and responding
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Speaker 1: to sexual violence and organizing around it. So a really
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Speaker 1: big event that takes place every April is April Denom Day,
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Speaker 1: UM and Peace Over Violence. UH spearheaded the Denom Day
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Speaker 1: campaign here in l A nineteen years ago. So this
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Speaker 1: was the nineteenth annual and basically wearing your jeans with
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Speaker 1: a purpose to speak out against sexual violence. No, victim
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Speaker 1: blaming clothing is not an excuse or an invitation to
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Speaker 1: commit sexual assault or harass or abuse. Right. So we've
12:35
Speaker 1: actually had a role on Denom Day. Yes, we did
12:38
Speaker 1: the podcast. Do you all know Ipsy? I love Ipsey? Right,
12:43
Speaker 1: I have a monthly subscription with Ipsey, Yes, So tell
12:47
Speaker 1: them about how we came in contact with Ipsey and
12:49
Speaker 1: like how Denom Day worked out? Right? Right? Okay, So
12:53
Speaker 1: we someone from IFS reached out to us and they
12:57
Speaker 1: asked us if we wanted to collaborate with Ipsy or
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Speaker 1: Denim Day, and we were super excited and we said
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Speaker 1: yes of course. So our role was to do a
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Speaker 1: snapchat takeover and that's what we did, and that's what
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Speaker 1: we did. UM. I every year for Dnim Day, I
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Speaker 1: go back to my old high school on the FEMID
13:16
Speaker 1: club out there, UM invites me. So I always talked
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Speaker 1: to the student body about Denim Day and sexual violence
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Speaker 1: and youth dating and team dating violence as well. UM.
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Speaker 1: And then I was at Occidental UM I usually spend
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Speaker 1: Denim days at Occidental in the afternoon, like tabling and
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Speaker 1: talking to the students. So I was on as local.
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Speaker 1: I was on the IPC snap and just interviewing OXY students.
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Speaker 1: And there's a couple of OXY students that came up
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Speaker 1: and recognized me as mother and told me yes, and
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Speaker 1: told me they were listeners. So it was just cool,
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Speaker 1: like all the world's colliding, right right, I mean it
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Speaker 1: happens so on Denom day, like Mama said, we did
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Speaker 1: the IPC takeover, So shout out to Victoria from EPC
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Speaker 1: because she and UM invited us to be a part
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Speaker 1: of the conversation and Mama spear spearheaded the snapchat takeover.
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Speaker 1: Um I was planning on being involved, but I was
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Speaker 1: just so busy at my day job that I actually
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Speaker 1: couldn't I know, But I was wearing denim, and I
14:07
Speaker 1: had my buttons on that said no I need, no,
14:09
Speaker 1: I need next scoosa me and then my like my body,
14:15
Speaker 1: my jeans, my choice pins, So I had those on.
14:17
Speaker 1: So there were conversation starters, obviously, and it was actually funny,
14:21
Speaker 1: because not funny, but it was more annoying, but like
14:22
Speaker 1: annoying funny at the end of the day, I had
14:25
Speaker 1: like worked a like twelve hour day. So I went
14:27
Speaker 1: to go buy like craft beer at my local like
14:29
Speaker 1: liquor store, and the cashier was like, I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: what is that for? And I was like, Oh, Today's
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Speaker 1: Denim Day And he was like, isn't that in October?
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Speaker 1: And I was like, no, it's today, It's literally today,
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Speaker 1: and he goes, I think it's in October. You talking
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Speaker 1: about Halloween. Like I was like, I think October is
14:49
Speaker 1: um domestic Awareness Month. And I was like, maybe you're
14:52
Speaker 1: referring to that, and he goes, no. He was literally
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Speaker 1: telling me I wasn't done a day and I was like,
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Speaker 1: it is Denom Day. It was like, can you just
15:01
Speaker 1: take in my card? It was like so ridiculous, and
15:04
Speaker 1: it was like, of course the man is trying to
15:05
Speaker 1: man slain to me about Dinnom Day. Freaking always actually
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Speaker 1: also exciting. So in Denom Day, like Peace Over Violence
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Speaker 1: always does a press conference on the steps of city
15:15
Speaker 1: Hall and Yessica performed a poem Nives Knives, a new
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Speaker 1: poem um that she's only performed a couple of times,
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Speaker 1: So that was really exciting, and like throughout April, like
15:25
Speaker 1: we've done a bunch of different stuff. Like me and
15:28
Speaker 1: my coworker Rashad, we went to speak at twentieth century
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Speaker 1: Fox for like the folks over there at twentieth century
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Speaker 1: Fox about sexual violence and that was really interesting. Um.
15:37
Speaker 1: I've taught some self defense classes, so you know, just
15:40
Speaker 1: just keeping it going. But this is what we do.
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Speaker 1: This is what we do all year. You know, we
15:44
Speaker 1: try and always like this is a central issue for us,
15:47
Speaker 1: so um in the news right out in the world.
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Speaker 1: There's also been like still of course, ongoing sexual violence
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Speaker 1: and violence against women of color, and that's why we
15:56
Speaker 1: continue talking about it. So a more recent example, which
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Speaker 1: we're actually going to talk more in depth about in
16:01
Speaker 1: the second half of this cup a little but just
16:03
Speaker 1: you know, to bring it up so you all know
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Speaker 1: that we're going to cover so um, a black woman
16:07
Speaker 1: by the name of Shaqishia Clements and I'm probably pronouncing
16:10
Speaker 1: her pronouncing her first name wrong, but miss Clemens, right, UM,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure we've all seen the video and we've heard about, um,
16:16
Speaker 1: this woman who was basically physically and sexually assaulted by
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Speaker 1: police officers, Sarah Lyn's police officers in Alabama at a
16:24
Speaker 1: waffle house and she was just treated horribly. UM. She
16:28
Speaker 1: was she was assaulted. It was a sexual assault. Right.
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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about her in the second half,
16:32
Speaker 1: but we want to bring her up. And we also
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Speaker 1: want to spend a little bit of time right now
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Speaker 1: to talk about two instances of really horrific um homicide
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Speaker 1: by way of teen dating violence that have taken place
16:43
Speaker 1: in the past two weeks. And all these cases involving
16:47
Speaker 1: youth of color. UM. So the first which is like
16:50
Speaker 1: super local, extremely local, UM, a young man by the
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Speaker 1: name of Jeremy Sanchez Umla Monte was murdered, was stabbed
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Speaker 1: to death by what we now who we now know
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Speaker 1: was an ex boyfriend. Is that they had broken up.
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Speaker 1: UM and Jeremy from reports that I had read right
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Speaker 1: was on the football team. He was a wrestler. UM.
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Speaker 1: He and this boy were known as friends, but come
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Speaker 1: to find that they actually had been dating. UM and
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Speaker 1: there was a break up for whatever reason. And then
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Speaker 1: Jeremy was going to take like a young woman to
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Speaker 1: like a dance or something. And from what I've read
17:22
Speaker 1: from local newspapers, like the ex boyfriends, UM sort of
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Speaker 1: lord Jeremy like to meet up with him before school
17:31
Speaker 1: one day and Jeremy never shut up for classes and
17:34
Speaker 1: then his father called the police. Um, they put a
17:36
Speaker 1: search party together, and then the young man who now
17:40
Speaker 1: his name does a suspect actually is the one who
17:42
Speaker 1: like let everybody participate, participated in the search, which is
17:47
Speaker 1: very horrific. It's very horrific. But this also goes back
17:51
Speaker 1: to something we talked about all the time is that
17:53
Speaker 1: these things happen in trust environments. The person most likely
17:55
Speaker 1: to harm you is your romantic partner or a former
17:58
Speaker 1: romantic partner, right, Um, And so bringing this in, I
18:01
Speaker 1: think it's I mean, El Monte is like down the street, right,
18:04
Speaker 1: I went to school and Manebello, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
18:07
Speaker 1: I went to school in Hambra. I mean we know,
18:10
Speaker 1: we know the surrounding communities were I mean we know
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Speaker 1: those folks basically, like we know a l a like
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Speaker 1: that's over right here. So um, yeah, really horrific. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's really sad to see this in the news, to
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Speaker 1: see this in the news, and how young they are
18:29
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen, right, I mean. And it's also like it's
18:33
Speaker 1: so important when we're talking about teen dating violence, you know,
18:36
Speaker 1: to also include queer folks right right, these are like
18:40
Speaker 1: very transformative times for queer youth of color, our queer
18:43
Speaker 1: youth and queer youth of color. UM. So when also
18:46
Speaker 1: that the healthy relationships aspect is missing in the also
18:50
Speaker 1: the queer dating conversations. You know, it's just so important
18:54
Speaker 1: that we're also creating um the dialogue and creating the
18:57
Speaker 1: curriculum for youth. And this also brings back for me
19:00
Speaker 1: the conversation we had when Loba was here before Lobo
19:04
Speaker 1: went Um went to to Chile, right, and Lobo was
19:07
Speaker 1: talking about queer toxic masculinity because this is a situation.
19:10
Speaker 1: We're talking about an ex boyfriend still right, who who
19:15
Speaker 1: murdered Jeremy and the toxic masculinity wrapped up in that situation.
19:21
Speaker 1: The second example that I think this story just broke
19:23
Speaker 1: this week and I've really only seen um like local
19:26
Speaker 1: San Antonio and Texas news outlets. I saw this on Twitter.
19:30
Speaker 1: I saw this on Twitter. But a young woman by
19:33
Speaker 1: the name of Gladisa riojas Um from San Antonio her
19:37
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, and she was also young, like fifteen sixteen
19:42
Speaker 1: school in high school, she was a cheerleader. She was
19:44
Speaker 1: a cheerleader they're describing her as a dancer, right, So
19:47
Speaker 1: she was I think asleep in her room that it
19:50
Speaker 1: appears she shares with her sister and her ex boyfriend,
19:54
Speaker 1: UM broke into the house and broke into her room
19:58
Speaker 1: and shot her and killed her in front of her sister.
20:00
Speaker 1: Her sister called nine one. The ex boyfriend had escaped
20:03
Speaker 1: and went into like a local wooded area and shot himself.
20:06
Speaker 1: So it was a murder suicide, which is also something
20:08
Speaker 1: we see quite often in situations where men or ex
20:12
Speaker 1: boyfriends like kill a wife and then they kill themselves.
20:15
Speaker 1: Right with domestic violence, like we see these murder suicides
20:18
Speaker 1: and so like it's just very overwhelming. And I mean,
20:21
Speaker 1: we're at the end of Sexual Assault Awareness Month Februaries
20:24
Speaker 1: uh teendating Violence Awareness Month, I believe, UM domestic violence
20:28
Speaker 1: Awareness one month in October, and we have these months,
20:31
Speaker 1: you know, to talk about these issues, but they're never ending,
20:34
Speaker 1: right UM, And so we just wanted to like bring
20:37
Speaker 1: it up and just acknowledge and right and like this
20:41
Speaker 1: these UM, like when we see this these topics in
20:44
Speaker 1: the news, right, it's like it can be very disheartening
20:48
Speaker 1: and it's very like, Okay, we're doing all this work
20:50
Speaker 1: and like, look at what's happening, you know what I mean?
20:52
Speaker 1: At least that's how I feel like I get kind
20:55
Speaker 1: of numb. Definitely. It's very much like, Yes, men are
21:00
Speaker 1: being men, right, men are being violent, and they're entitled
21:03
Speaker 1: to women's lives are entitled to entitled to their partners lives,
21:06
Speaker 1: partners literally to their lives that they feel that they
21:09
Speaker 1: can take them. And I think that was they have
21:11
Speaker 1: not released the name of the young man who killed
21:14
Speaker 1: Jeremy Sanchez because he's a minor, Because these their children,
21:18
Speaker 1: basically adolescents that are you know, killing each other, um,
21:22
Speaker 1: following these patterns that adults also exhibit. It doesn't start
21:26
Speaker 1: when you become an adult or when you get married. Right.
21:29
Speaker 1: I've had so many clients who are teens, who are
21:32
Speaker 1: high school students at l U s D and who
21:34
Speaker 1: have been assaulted at school or in classrooms, you know,
21:38
Speaker 1: And so it's not something that we can only focus
21:41
Speaker 1: on with adults, like there has to be sex ed
21:43
Speaker 1: in classrooms and relationship talks in classrooms and at home. Um, yeah,
21:49
Speaker 1: so I forgot what else I was going to say.
21:51
Speaker 1: It's a lot, It's it's a lot and um, you know,
21:54
Speaker 1: I also wanted to shine light and hold space for
21:58
Speaker 1: a woman that was a leader he learned activists that
22:00
Speaker 1: was recently assassinated in Biddu. Her name was Olivia Arrevalo
22:05
Speaker 1: and she was from Kayali, which is in the Amazon
22:08
Speaker 1: near I believe near Iquitos. And she was assassinated by
22:12
Speaker 1: a tourists or Canadian man that was actually like studying
22:19
Speaker 1: under the tribe that she was a part of, because
22:23
Speaker 1: he wanted to learn about um healing plants and medicine,
22:27
Speaker 1: because I guess that's what he was doing in Canada,
22:30
Speaker 1: and he assassinated her. And she was a very knowledgeable
22:34
Speaker 1: and integral part and very knowledgeable leader and healer and
22:38
Speaker 1: an integral part to their community. And she was very
22:41
Speaker 1: knowledgeable of healing plants and holding ceremonies. And it just
22:45
Speaker 1: speaks to a larger a larger conversation, a larger picture
22:48
Speaker 1: of indigenous women being murdered right all across uh specifically
22:54
Speaker 1: that part of Peru, and then the government really not
22:57
Speaker 1: doing anything to investigate or to find the people the
23:01
Speaker 1: culprits um and also like the devaluization of ancestral knowledge
23:06
Speaker 1: right and also being and then it's just also like
23:12
Speaker 1: a white Canadian. He was a white Canadian and also
23:14
Speaker 1: like a what is the word I'm looking for? But
23:16
Speaker 1: it's like, so what I'm trying to say, what I'm
23:20
Speaker 1: trying to say, what are leaving me right out? But
23:23
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is like the way there's
23:25
Speaker 1: like tourism specifically to go and like have these ceremonies
23:30
Speaker 1: by like indigenous folks like that that colonial neo colonial tourism.
23:34
Speaker 1: There's tourism exactly. And then yes, you see what I'm saying, um,
23:41
Speaker 1: and how that's also preyed on, right, and then the
23:43
Speaker 1: cultural vulture exactly exactly exactly, because I mean, if if
23:48
Speaker 1: you know anything about the Amazon, um, you know that
23:50
Speaker 1: ayahuasca is a a plant that is native to the Amazon.
23:56
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of white folks that do
23:59
Speaker 1: go to the Amazon specifically to have this like find
24:02
Speaker 1: their souls type of ceremony. And it's very frustrating for
24:07
Speaker 1: me to see this happened and then to see this
24:09
Speaker 1: woman assassinating, this leader assassinated. So there's just a lot
24:12
Speaker 1: happening globally, and um, there must be more to that story.
24:17
Speaker 1: There has right, I like we don't know yet. Um.
24:20
Speaker 1: But then also it turns out that this that the
24:23
Speaker 1: man that that murdered Olivia was also murdered few days later.
24:29
Speaker 1: And it seems like it was like a like the community,
24:32
Speaker 1: which makes sense, which because there's no justice by the
24:36
Speaker 1: legal system, especially if the tribes aren't um, the folks
24:40
Speaker 1: in that community aren't advocated for by local police, which
24:44
Speaker 1: is like many communities. It seems like they, like you know,
24:47
Speaker 1: took justice into their own hands, which I totally get
24:51
Speaker 1: because as we've talked about the sexual violence of police,
24:54
Speaker 1: in action of police when it comes to responding to
24:57
Speaker 1: violence against women. Anyways, So now what are we getting
25:02
Speaker 1: into now Yosa okay? So um, now we are getting
25:06
Speaker 1: into our Oyelonka segments, all right, right, so today we
25:10
Speaker 1: actually have a different format, um for oyelokas were Actually
25:14
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be answering any questions today because
25:17
Speaker 1: we want to address something that happened recently via Curious
25:21
Speaker 1: Cat Me and we want to talk about it and
25:23
Speaker 1: let our listeners know what's been going on. And I mean,
25:26
Speaker 1: and it did happen during the month of April, right,
25:28
Speaker 1: and it actually happened the day before our Multidimensional Home workshop. Yes,
25:32
Speaker 1: and it happened over the span of several days. Actually, yes,
25:36
Speaker 1: so we've posted about this, UM at least I did
25:39
Speaker 1: on my Twitter and then UM on Instagram. We posted
25:42
Speaker 1: a little bit. But what we have experienced is some
25:45
Speaker 1: definite misogyny and rape culture UM and violent messages. So
25:50
Speaker 1: we started getting notifications that we were being tagged Yosa
25:55
Speaker 1: and I and also Yoshwin Lords who is also like
26:00
Speaker 1: a feminist Twitter UM, and then also Hillary Clinton un
26:04
Speaker 1: I don't understand, but the ASA and I and look
26:06
Speaker 1: at thought out. We're being tagged in the Curious Cat
26:10
Speaker 1: inboxes of random women that we do not follow. We
26:14
Speaker 1: don't know who they are. They don't follow us, they're
26:16
Speaker 1: not listeners, we don't interact with them. And an anonymous
26:20
Speaker 1: poster was tagging us and then writing like calling us
26:24
Speaker 1: hoary kunts. You know, go get raped multiple times? Right,
26:29
Speaker 1: This is happening in multiple inboxes, So we're getting alerts
26:32
Speaker 1: over the span of several days. They also said to
26:34
Speaker 1: jump off a bridge, to kill ourselves, jump off a
26:38
Speaker 1: building and then get raped multiple times, multiple times, and
26:41
Speaker 1: hoy kunts hory kunts over and over again, which is
26:45
Speaker 1: such a weird, such a weird thing to call us,
26:47
Speaker 1: because number one, we call ourselves so many things that
26:51
Speaker 1: you could use like and like, at least make it
26:54
Speaker 1: culturally relevant, call us keep it on brands. At the
26:58
Speaker 1: very least, keep it on brand. And we gotta laugh
27:01
Speaker 1: about it, you know, because these are the kinds of
27:03
Speaker 1: things that make women creators not want to be on
27:06
Speaker 1: the internet, not want to create. So we gotta like
27:08
Speaker 1: also laugh about it, and like, at least, right, got
27:12
Speaker 1: a hole, like, put some respect on it, some respect,
27:15
Speaker 1: have some creativity. Call me a suckubus, you know what
27:18
Speaker 1: I mean, Make it interesting, like catch my attention. I'm
27:21
Speaker 1: bored at this point, right right, you know. But it's
27:24
Speaker 1: also so funny because in one of them this and
27:26
Speaker 1: we assume that it's the ASSA kind of came to
27:29
Speaker 1: the conclusion, and I agree that it's like a middle
27:32
Speaker 1: aged like an older Latino male and why And I
27:35
Speaker 1: think I think that because, um, the use of the
27:38
Speaker 1: word horror, um, when we're talking about just like just
27:43
Speaker 1: I mean culturally like pop culture. Also you know, um,
27:46
Speaker 1: you don't hear that word. You don't really hear horror
27:48
Speaker 1: where I remember horror being horror and with a horror
27:52
Speaker 1: and sluts. I feel like those were the words that
27:54
Speaker 1: were used when I was when I was I was
27:57
Speaker 1: a young girl, when I was little, I remember those
27:59
Speaker 1: those were the words, right, slot and whore. And now
28:01
Speaker 1: I feel like it's ho. It's thought, what are some
28:04
Speaker 1: other ones mean? But I feel like ho, it's just
28:08
Speaker 1: it's pretty Yeah, Ho, standard doesn't hear skunk. That's a
28:15
Speaker 1: good one. You see, there's so many many I would
28:18
Speaker 1: appreciate the don't even it doesn't It doesn't flow right.
28:24
Speaker 1: And I also feel like like you have to be
28:26
Speaker 1: a certain type of person, and I'm assuming that this
28:28
Speaker 1: person is a man. You have to be a certain
28:29
Speaker 1: type of man to call women kunts yes, and so
28:32
Speaker 1: I repeatedly, I do feel like this is an older,
28:35
Speaker 1: older man, an older Latino man. And it's funny because
28:38
Speaker 1: in one of them, yes, he's like, I don't want
28:41
Speaker 1: to I don't want to listen to another one of
28:43
Speaker 1: your missengerest podcasts. You know, go fund yourself. Who's forcing
28:47
Speaker 1: you to listen to our podcast? Right? I don't understand
28:52
Speaker 1: like someone is like tying this man down and like
28:56
Speaker 1: like feeding them feminist propaganda and miss indury is what
29:00
Speaker 1: I'm understanding, yes, like tied down, like the eyes are
29:03
Speaker 1: forced over right, right, It's like it's like it's like
29:06
Speaker 1: a like in the Saw movie, but everything is paying
29:09
Speaker 1: and it's our voices on a fucking like it's torture
29:12
Speaker 1: or something. It's a black mirror episode, but just this
29:15
Speaker 1: individual experiencing it, you know, right, It's like it's like
29:19
Speaker 1: hyper feminist miss injury apparent. It's really bothering this person.
29:23
Speaker 1: And so I don't know if you're listening, like get
29:25
Speaker 1: a hobby, like stop listening, you know, block us on, stopfstening,
29:30
Speaker 1: block us alone. You know. I worry for the women
29:32
Speaker 1: in your life. Be nice to them. I don't know
29:35
Speaker 1: who you are. But one of our lookomotives commented that
29:39
Speaker 1: maybe our podcast led his girlfriend to leave him. That
29:42
Speaker 1: is a possibility, and I hope that that's what happened, right,
29:45
Speaker 1: I hope that's the case. I don't understand it, but
29:48
Speaker 1: I hope your girlfriend dumped your ab right, Okay, so
29:52
Speaker 1: this has led us to actually close our Curious cat me. Yeah. Sorry, yeah,
29:58
Speaker 1: sorry listeners, Sorry look at what is you? You'll still
30:01
Speaker 1: be able to email us, email us questions. I know
30:05
Speaker 1: we did like the like the anonymity of it, because
30:08
Speaker 1: if folks like don't want to share their identities or whatever,
30:10
Speaker 1: I want to keep it really anonymous. That was a
30:12
Speaker 1: nice part of the Curious Cademy. But I also want
30:14
Speaker 1: to note that, like this person was exposing other women
30:18
Speaker 1: to this very violent language. So we want to think
30:21
Speaker 1: about the women that were being sent these things anonymously,
30:24
Speaker 1: you know, and their women that we don't know. And
30:26
Speaker 1: that's also why they were being publicized, because they're like, well,
30:29
Speaker 1: who the funk is this right, So they publicized it.
30:32
Speaker 1: I don't think maliciously, but I think because they're like,
30:34
Speaker 1: I don't know who this is for. So also like
30:36
Speaker 1: thinking about the women that are work ex closed to this,
30:38
Speaker 1: you feel me? So yeah, and we're going to answer
30:42
Speaker 1: the questions. So we took the questions from the Curious Cademy.
30:44
Speaker 1: We have them, so if you've submitted them, your question
30:46
Speaker 1: will be answered. But moving forward, um, it's only going
30:50
Speaker 1: to be via email. Yeah, So you know, it's just
30:54
Speaker 1: again like making this brick, tying it all in, and
30:57
Speaker 1: this is another installment of like a firm defense cup
31:00
Speaker 1: beat the little right and just kind of highlighting for everybody,
31:02
Speaker 1: how like for for us like as women for from folks,
31:06
Speaker 1: like talking about rape culture is something we do so
31:09
Speaker 1: often because we literally experience it like all day, every
31:12
Speaker 1: fucking day, like whether it's out on the street or
31:15
Speaker 1: on the fucking internet, Like there's no area where we're
31:18
Speaker 1: not affected by it. If we turn on the TV,
31:21
Speaker 1: like it's likely if it's local news, you're I'm going
31:24
Speaker 1: to run across the story about a missing woman or
31:26
Speaker 1: her body found or a raped woman or whatever. If
31:28
Speaker 1: it's on TV and it's like programming, it's going to
31:31
Speaker 1: be like Game of Thrones or Law and Order, it's
31:33
Speaker 1: going to be a show. There's like a seventy percent
31:35
Speaker 1: chance there there's misogyny and rape culture on being exposed
31:39
Speaker 1: to and then this kind of stuff, you know, and
31:41
Speaker 1: like just the outright threats, and it's just like it's tiring.
31:46
Speaker 1: It's tiring and old, and it's also old. It's so old.
31:49
Speaker 1: I'm so overtopped and thinking about the fact that I'm
31:52
Speaker 1: going to continue to deal with this stuff. I was
31:55
Speaker 1: talking to some high school students. I was teaching a
31:57
Speaker 1: self defense class for high schoolers and I we were
31:59
Speaker 1: talking with the girls about how many of them have
32:01
Speaker 1: experienced street harassment, and how it makes them uncomfortable and
32:04
Speaker 1: they take the bus and they walk and these are
32:06
Speaker 1: all like Latina and black girls, right, And I told them, like,
32:09
Speaker 1: you know, girls like I'm sorry, but you know, we
32:12
Speaker 1: do these classes because I want to highlight for you
32:14
Speaker 1: that this is something you're going to continue to deal with.
32:16
Speaker 1: And I want you to at least feel like each
32:19
Speaker 1: year you have more in your tool belt to deal
32:22
Speaker 1: with it and respond to it as you begin to
32:24
Speaker 1: understand it more. You know, absolutely, that's all we can do. Wow. Well,
32:31
Speaker 1: on that note, men are still trash? What else is new?
32:35
Speaker 1: I just like, don't really like, I just like y'all
32:38
Speaker 1: just expose yourselves like you men, like you just proved
32:41
Speaker 1: to us that we can't trust you, that you're like
32:44
Speaker 1: horrible misogynistic and every bing disclosure, every new disclosure that
32:50
Speaker 1: every male celebrity ever is a freaking right. No, Okay,
32:54
Speaker 1: I saw this thing actually on Twitter and um it
32:57
Speaker 1: was like shared, Okay, so I forgot to mention this
32:59
Speaker 1: early or but there was actually a woman that was assaulted,
33:04
Speaker 1: uh basically like attempted murder right in Fidu, actually in Lima,
33:08
Speaker 1: and her name is a a vi Area And then
33:14
Speaker 1: is actually the many is actually calling it indental because
33:19
Speaker 1: this man then knew her, he was like a former
33:22
Speaker 1: co worker. He had been bothering her, harassing her for
33:24
Speaker 1: a few weeks and he um basically poured gasoline on
33:28
Speaker 1: her on a bus and set her on fire. And
33:32
Speaker 1: she is still alive. She's in like intensive care units.
33:35
Speaker 1: But tying this back in is that I saw this
33:37
Speaker 1: tweet about this Moher said if the man, if there's
33:41
Speaker 1: if there's men in your life and they're asking, well,
33:44
Speaker 1: what did she do to basically have to make him
33:49
Speaker 1: make him mad? Right? What is it that exactly? What
33:52
Speaker 1: is it that she did? If you're hearing that you
33:54
Speaker 1: need to get those men out of your lives and
33:56
Speaker 1: run right? And that's very true, and it's very telling
33:59
Speaker 1: like when these when and are saying like what was
34:01
Speaker 1: she wearing? What did she do? Did she hit him first?
34:04
Speaker 1: She must have pisted him off. No, if there if
34:08
Speaker 1: they're act if they're asking those questions like you do
34:11
Speaker 1: not want these people near you? You do not want
34:13
Speaker 1: these men near you? Very real. I did an I
34:16
Speaker 1: do story about this once or maybe it was on
34:18
Speaker 1: my Twitter, I don't remember, but I talked about how
34:21
Speaker 1: and this is like, this is a legit fear. Fear
34:25
Speaker 1: of ours is like being attacked or being maimed, like
34:28
Speaker 1: my face, like being attacked. If you are considered like
34:32
Speaker 1: an attractive women, all women like, regardless whether you're cis,
34:35
Speaker 1: trans fat, a sex worker, you're experiencing some level of
34:38
Speaker 1: sexual violence. It gets justified for different reasons. It gets
34:42
Speaker 1: explained away for different reasons. When you're attractive, when you're pretty,
34:46
Speaker 1: and you have that pretty, privileged men are also very
34:49
Speaker 1: much wanting and willing to destroy your pretty if they
34:53
Speaker 1: can't have it right. When I was studying abroad in London,
34:56
Speaker 1: I was constantly hearing stories on the news about ex
34:59
Speaker 1: boyfriend and ex husbands and and scorned men pouring acid
35:03
Speaker 1: on women in London and in public and also in
35:06
Speaker 1: broad daylight. And there was a journalist and these are
35:10
Speaker 1: not and people make assumptions that this is, oh, this
35:12
Speaker 1: is like a Middle Eastern thing or an Arab thing. No,
35:14
Speaker 1: this is also white men pouring acid as men in general.
35:18
Speaker 1: Now in Latin America we have this case. It's not
35:20
Speaker 1: so much here in the US, but when men throw
35:23
Speaker 1: acid on women, they do it very very specifically to
35:27
Speaker 1: disfigure their faces, so that we are like unwanted and
35:30
Speaker 1: not marriageable anymore. They know that the acid is not
35:33
Speaker 1: going to kill us. When men, when men like do
35:36
Speaker 1: trauma to women's faces and heads. And I think of
35:38
Speaker 1: Rihanna and the picture that came out of her. All
35:41
Speaker 1: the trauma was to her face. I can't tell you
35:43
Speaker 1: how many domestic violence calls I responded to where all
35:45
Speaker 1: the trauma is the face. There's this very distinct desire
35:49
Speaker 1: for men to destroy our physical beauty if they cannot
35:52
Speaker 1: have it or control it. I and like, yes, I
35:55
Speaker 1: have lots of fears of being fucking attacked randomly. Guys
35:59
Speaker 1: like this threatened us with ship on our curious Cat,
36:02
Speaker 1: and then people know where we record or we're very
36:05
Speaker 1: bad events. We people recognize us when we're out and
36:08
Speaker 1: about and we're community events. So yes, I do. I
36:10
Speaker 1: am afraid. If I stand offish, it's because I've seen
36:13
Speaker 1: way too much and I know like how these fools
36:15
Speaker 1: are and like right right, So it's like it's very
36:19
Speaker 1: much finding this balance of like, yeah, we can joke
36:21
Speaker 1: and we can laugh about like funk at least call
36:22
Speaker 1: us something better, right, But at the very same time,
36:25
Speaker 1: like there is fear rooted in it because we are
36:28
Speaker 1: very public, right you know where we're going to be
36:30
Speaker 1: at if we're going to record, you know, and like
36:32
Speaker 1: that has also like let us have different conversations about
36:35
Speaker 1: like recording spaces, you feel me. So it's like we
36:37
Speaker 1: can't even do what we do, like we have to
36:40
Speaker 1: we have to also have a safety plan to just record,
36:43
Speaker 1: you feel me absolutely, And we've talked to like Nico Amira.
36:47
Speaker 1: We were at a party and like we asked them.
36:49
Speaker 1: So you know, like we've gotten some like scary like
36:53
Speaker 1: messages and things and like antagonistic things online. So what's
36:57
Speaker 1: our escape plan here at Espasio? Like how would we
37:00
Speaker 1: do if somebody comes in here you know and having
37:02
Speaker 1: those conversations. Um, so yeah, just putting that out there,
37:06
Speaker 1: very real things that happened to us as right, Like
37:10
Speaker 1: one time I was walking down Sunset and somebody shouted
37:12
Speaker 1: out Mala from their car in passing and it was
37:15
Speaker 1: a listener. It was a woman. So it's cool, So
37:16
Speaker 1: it's fine. I was like, hey, it was cute, but
37:20
Speaker 1: that you know, it's just like we are visible. There
37:23
Speaker 1: are a lot of men on the internet that thirst
37:25
Speaker 1: follow or that hate follow, and the hate follow is
37:28
Speaker 1: a real thing. So that's just a larger convo I think,
37:32
Speaker 1: like I would love to have a broader conversation with
37:34
Speaker 1: women on the Internet and navigating the sexual violence of
37:37
Speaker 1: online spaces and then when it translates to the in
37:40
Speaker 1: real life spaces. Right, And it's like now that we're
37:43
Speaker 1: in in this like digital age, right now that were
37:47
Speaker 1: in this little digital age, like what does consent even
37:50
Speaker 1: look like? Because these people, these men specifically have access
37:54
Speaker 1: to basically your daily life if you're on Instagram, when
37:57
Speaker 1: you're posting on your stories or you're you're posting about
37:59
Speaker 1: where you're at, they literally have access to at this point, right,
38:03
Speaker 1: and you don't necessarily you're not necessarily giving them that access,
38:05
Speaker 1: you feel me, You're not giving it to them. You're
38:07
Speaker 1: making it available, but you're not giving it to anybody
38:11
Speaker 1: like for them to use however they want. Right, we
38:15
Speaker 1: should be able to share without every little thing being
38:18
Speaker 1: weaponized as a way to hurt us, you know, access
38:22
Speaker 1: with the intention of causing harm. Yes, absolutely, all right,
38:27
Speaker 1: we continue to have these combos, right, and they're still
38:29
Speaker 1: like um like combos that we're having like with like
38:33
Speaker 1: with our listeners. You feel me, where we don't have
38:34
Speaker 1: the answers necessarily, like we're thinking aloud or just thinking
38:37
Speaker 1: about having these convos with y'all. So I guess like
38:41
Speaker 1: stay tuned. I guess, well we figure the shit out. Yeah,
38:45
Speaker 1: And also like in some ways, and you know what,
38:48
Speaker 1: we've had this conversation too before about like kind of
38:51
Speaker 1: laughing to keep from crying, you know, and so like
38:54
Speaker 1: women's humor is very macab because we're laughing about things
38:57
Speaker 1: like being raped and murdered, because that's material that's constantly
39:01
Speaker 1: in the forefront, right, Like, Okay, So a conversation that
39:05
Speaker 1: we have that my partner I have is like and
39:07
Speaker 1: it's very like hypothetical like apocalyptic stuff like what would
39:10
Speaker 1: you do if there was a zombie attack type of thing?
39:12
Speaker 1: And I go, and I go, I would just die
39:14
Speaker 1: And he goes, what do you mean you wouldn't find him? Like, no,
39:15
Speaker 1: I would just die. And that's kind of like my
39:17
Speaker 1: way of being funny when faced with like and that's
39:20
Speaker 1: obviously like a very hyperbole, hyperbolic like example of violence,
39:23
Speaker 1: but it's like when you're when you're facing this like
39:26
Speaker 1: day to day violence, it's very real, like rape culture
39:28
Speaker 1: and sexual violence it's like, oh, I would just I
39:29
Speaker 1: would just I don't know, like I would just not
39:32
Speaker 1: deal with it. I would just die, like right, And
39:34
Speaker 1: it's and that is like the kind of like macabre
39:36
Speaker 1: humor that I have because I'm just like I don't know, yeah,
39:39
Speaker 1: or like when when anybody who dates men? Right, Like
39:43
Speaker 1: I had that tweet that I wrote right when men
39:45
Speaker 1: that got like sixty five thousand or tweets and like
39:48
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand likes because people can relate. The girls
39:51
Speaker 1: can relate, queer folks can relate. Anybody who date men
39:54
Speaker 1: can fucking relate, right that, Like men, their biggest fear
39:58
Speaker 1: before a date is she gonna laugh me? Is she
40:00
Speaker 1: fatter than her profile picture? Is she not going to
40:03
Speaker 1: split half the bill? Whatever? They're little trite, fucking like
40:06
Speaker 1: unimportant concerns are And then women, what do we do
40:10
Speaker 1: before we go on a date? Share our locations, picture
40:14
Speaker 1: of person, license plate? Where am I going? What time
40:18
Speaker 1: do you call me to check in? Like so many
40:20
Speaker 1: people were commenting of all their safety plannings. It was
40:23
Speaker 1: so intricate, some of this ship just to go on
40:25
Speaker 1: a date. Why because specifically we're afraid of getting kidnapped? Murdered. Yes,
40:30
Speaker 1: you need my friends need to find my body, and
40:32
Speaker 1: we joke about that ship. Yes, but it's very real.
40:36
Speaker 1: It's a very real part of our lives, which I
40:38
Speaker 1: think in a way normalizes it, which is why we
40:41
Speaker 1: can make make jokes about it. You feel me, Like,
40:44
Speaker 1: now I can joke about the fact that, like, yeah,
40:46
Speaker 1: I broke up with the dude at the bar and
40:48
Speaker 1: I was afraid, so I shared the location with my girls, right,
40:51
Speaker 1: And I can laugh about it now when I go
40:52
Speaker 1: by that bar, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's where I
40:54
Speaker 1: broke up with so and so, And it's funny but
40:55
Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, right, it's funny, but it's not. It's
40:59
Speaker 1: funny like like all these crazy, these weird, weird things
41:04
Speaker 1: happen and then you don't realize how bad it was
41:07
Speaker 1: you talked to about it to someone else that happened
41:10
Speaker 1: recently with us, Moll and I, let's talk about you
41:13
Speaker 1: have to go into a song, right, but we'll talk
41:15
Speaker 1: about it briefly. We were with the cat Lazo and
41:18
Speaker 1: Jack and we were telling them about some experiences with
41:22
Speaker 1: like past partners or people we were dating with our
41:25
Speaker 1: ex Yeah, alright, our exes, and they were just like
41:29
Speaker 1: looking at us and they were like, that happened. That's severe.
41:33
Speaker 1: And I guess because Mom and I tell each other
41:35
Speaker 1: these things while they're happening, and it was happening to
41:38
Speaker 1: us at the same time, and it was the kind
41:40
Speaker 1: of the same ship, very similar things. So we were like, oh, yeah,
41:45
Speaker 1: it was that was that was that was bad, right,
41:48
Speaker 1: And sometimes it takes that outside perspective that it's be
41:52
Speaker 1: hearing like the daily updates right to be like we
41:54
Speaker 1: got out of it. We congrats, girl, we got out.
42:00
Speaker 1: She's christ's a lot of time. So don't be too
42:05
Speaker 1: hard on yourselves when you're back and forth in the
42:07
Speaker 1: breakup and the getting away. It happened. Also, I want
42:11
Speaker 1: to say, like it really happened. Don't let your friends
42:14
Speaker 1: be judgmental about the fact that you're going back and
42:16
Speaker 1: forth because you take your time exactly exactly, and your
42:20
Speaker 1: friends should be UM, understanding and supportive, not judgmental. Shout
42:25
Speaker 1: out mommy, collective, shout out collective. Whatever. Anyways, So we're
42:29
Speaker 1: going into a song break, and then after the song break,
42:32
Speaker 1: we're bringing on a special guest. We have a guest interview.
42:34
Speaker 1: We've talked about so much, Um We also have a
42:37
Speaker 1: guest interview when we come back from our song break
42:40
Speaker 1: you we will be interviewing Malayko Wilson creen ak Off
42:43
Speaker 1: of FM and we're going to be talking about accountability,
42:48
Speaker 1: call out culture, anti blackness, and her business and her work.
42:53
Speaker 1: So stay tuned. Vodka and and friends, and and and
43:03
Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and and and
43:11
Speaker 1: and and and sends back and and send this and
43:20
Speaker 1: and and send and and and um from from from
43:29
Speaker 1: from from from um um um of it and little ship. Okay,
43:42
Speaker 1: look on motive. Thank you so much for sticking with
43:45
Speaker 1: us and tuning back in. We're back from our song
43:47
Speaker 1: break and we have today another really wonderful guest who's
43:52
Speaker 1: joining us for an interview. Uh. This is Malaica Wilson Green,
43:55
Speaker 1: also known as Afro fem at a f r a
43:59
Speaker 1: FM on Instagram. Um Malika is originally from Los Angeles
44:03
Speaker 1: but currently resides in Oakland. Um Malika is an educator
44:07
Speaker 1: and a business owner of a business known as two
44:10
Speaker 1: Chicks in the Mix. And maybe she'll tell us more
44:12
Speaker 1: about that as we have our conversation. So we want
44:15
Speaker 1: to welcome Alica. Can you say hi to everybody and
44:18
Speaker 1: introduce yourself. Hi everyone, I'm a laca UM. That's my
44:24
Speaker 1: name Instagram at fan so not with the oh with
44:27
Speaker 1: an a um. And yeah, I'm a teacher. I'm a
44:30
Speaker 1: pregool teacher and peach a private pre school in the
44:33
Speaker 1: mission in San Francisco. And I live in Oakland and
44:35
Speaker 1: I'm originally from wat California. UM and yeah, I want
44:40
Speaker 1: a business that we work in Oakland and we work
44:44
Speaker 1: in my fans with as well. That's my business, priner
44:46
Speaker 1: it um. Oh yeah, those the things pick up most
44:49
Speaker 1: of my time. That's amazing. Thank you for joining us today. Yes, yeah, no,
44:55
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us and taking time out of
44:57
Speaker 1: your schedule. I know that you're probably very busy. So
45:00
Speaker 1: for our listeners who have been tuning in recently, we
45:03
Speaker 1: spoke about on Capitulo UM thirty five catch up call
45:07
Speaker 1: in we mentioned that Malika would be coming on the
45:10
Speaker 1: show UM today to interview and to discuss like a
45:13
Speaker 1: variety of different topics. And on thirty five, if you remember,
45:16
Speaker 1: we were discussing right anti blackness and Latino communities and
45:20
Speaker 1: like intra community issues and like how we like responded
45:25
Speaker 1: like inappropriately basically when Malika brought to our attention that
45:30
Speaker 1: there was an issue with appropriation of black hairstyles with
45:33
Speaker 1: like a photographer that we had worked with. Right. So
45:36
Speaker 1: then like that developed into like a bigger conversation about, Okay,
45:40
Speaker 1: how do we address this appropriately, um, keep holding ourselves
45:44
Speaker 1: accountable and responding like appropriately to like you know, questions
45:48
Speaker 1: of a community accountability. Right, Like when it's directly someone
45:52
Speaker 1: what it involves someone that we've directly worked with and
45:54
Speaker 1: have come into contact with or work with on a
45:56
Speaker 1: regular basis. Because as we mentioned, UM, the photography that
46:00
Speaker 1: we worked with is a part of an organization that
46:02
Speaker 1: we have worked with and collaborated within the past. UM.
46:05
Speaker 1: So really for us trying to navigate, you know, how
46:08
Speaker 1: to go about this UM kind of like this community
46:12
Speaker 1: intervention or really how to hold how how to hold
46:15
Speaker 1: ourselves accountable and the folks in our community, UM, and
46:19
Speaker 1: how to be better allies to black women in black fence.
46:21
Speaker 1: So Malika, if you know, you're here with us, and
46:24
Speaker 1: Malika is on a phone call with us right now,
46:26
Speaker 1: so she's on the phone, UM, you know what would
46:29
Speaker 1: be like your input and your two cents in your perspective,
46:32
Speaker 1: like now at this point of you know, the conversation, Yeah,
46:37
Speaker 1: I wanted to like to talk about um kind of
46:41
Speaker 1: like what my narrative was as part of like what
46:43
Speaker 1: happened and kind of like the initial yeah and then
46:50
Speaker 1: came from like you guys kind of like a little
46:54
Speaker 1: confect on me. And just like my own life, I
46:56
Speaker 1: think that I've been kind of like in a mood
46:59
Speaker 1: where I feel like it's really important to kind of
47:01
Speaker 1: like confront issues like head on. I think like social media,
47:04
Speaker 1: we've kind of got need too. Or I'm blaming social media,
47:07
Speaker 1: but I think that they're like various reasons why. But
47:10
Speaker 1: we've kind of got used to if somebody like offends you,
47:14
Speaker 1: or if like you're an ally to a community and
47:16
Speaker 1: that person is like a spending in that community, kind
47:18
Speaker 1: of just like like allow that person, or we kind
47:20
Speaker 1: of like we'll say something to our friend about that
47:22
Speaker 1: person in person, but we don't say anything directly to
47:25
Speaker 1: that person. And so I think I've been kind of
47:28
Speaker 1: like in my own life, been wanting to be like, hey,
47:30
Speaker 1: what would happen if I just look like hey, that's
47:32
Speaker 1: I'm okay, you know, And what would happen if I
47:35
Speaker 1: continue to like first do that and kind of just
47:38
Speaker 1: saw like accountability UM through because I just think that
47:42
Speaker 1: there's a very few times in your life when you
47:44
Speaker 1: get to like old people accountable and like we don't
47:48
Speaker 1: never we really ever see what the end of accountability
47:51
Speaker 1: can look like and what you know, what that even means.
47:54
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of like in the move that
47:56
Speaker 1: I am in and so UM, when you guys have
47:59
Speaker 1: posted that you but like you had got your photos somedy.
48:02
Speaker 1: This person I was like scrolling through her um Instagram
48:05
Speaker 1: and was like, oh, she's be cool, Like this is
48:07
Speaker 1: somebody who I might follow, And then I came across
48:09
Speaker 1: psture and it had so much like praise on it,
48:12
Speaker 1: like you was so good and things like that, and
48:15
Speaker 1: obviously that was like not okay for me because um
48:18
Speaker 1: and you know just FORER listeners and so I know
48:20
Speaker 1: you guys talked about it UM a little bit already,
48:23
Speaker 1: but so all that sal was called individuals like where
48:26
Speaker 1: I'm talking in different regions as uh, different names for
48:28
Speaker 1: it um wherever you are, and so that's called individuals
48:32
Speaker 1: to me, and it specifically requied girls. And I'll tell
48:33
Speaker 1: you know, you're and your listeners like why it's just
48:36
Speaker 1: not okay? Is that because my women are already seen
48:39
Speaker 1: as like less feminine um in the scope of like
48:42
Speaker 1: womanhood and femininity in general. And so we've come up
48:45
Speaker 1: with ways And when I say we've come up with
48:47
Speaker 1: it's not a reason like this existed ever, you know.
48:52
Speaker 1: So we've come up with ways to like all that,
48:55
Speaker 1: um hold femininity for ourselves and womanhood for ourselves. And
48:58
Speaker 1: so to see people who are are the addically gonna
49:00
Speaker 1: be seen as more feminine, uh, have something that we
49:03
Speaker 1: keep fingering for herself, it's just like inappropriate. And that's
49:06
Speaker 1: to say the LEAs um. So when I saw that,
49:09
Speaker 1: just seeing them a little bit on me and I
49:10
Speaker 1: didn't I wasn't hear anything like that. And that's kind
49:13
Speaker 1: of like my choice because I know that there are
49:16
Speaker 1: certain ways that you have to talk to get people
49:18
Speaker 1: to like goody. And that's also just not the kind
49:21
Speaker 1: of person that I am. I'm not like rude, I'm
49:23
Speaker 1: not a bench you know, so I'm not a mean girl.
49:27
Speaker 1: So I just was like, hey, you know, I don't
49:29
Speaker 1: need to can do but this sell is not for
49:32
Speaker 1: you if you're not black, you know, even giving her
49:33
Speaker 1: the chance to say, but I am black. But some
49:35
Speaker 1: people are black and they just don't look at you
49:37
Speaker 1: know so. Um, so that was it. I didn't call
49:42
Speaker 1: up for anything like that. And then when I saw
49:44
Speaker 1: that you guys have posted again that, um, you know,
49:47
Speaker 1: thanks for getting for like working with us all by
49:49
Speaker 1: referencing her and I went back to her a page
49:51
Speaker 1: and she had blocked seat. And that's that's just kind
49:55
Speaker 1: of like you know, um, like where I'm from, it's
49:58
Speaker 1: kind of like you may do it several different thing
50:00
Speaker 1: so like if somebody said something to you, at least
50:02
Speaker 1: have the decency to like to defend yourself, you know
50:04
Speaker 1: what I mean. It could be like whatever you have
50:07
Speaker 1: to say could be bullshit, but it's okay if I
50:09
Speaker 1: cut Yeah, but just respect me, I think, being like
50:17
Speaker 1: we're communicating together, or we should be communicating together, Like
50:20
Speaker 1: I don't want to sell you're one of a color,
50:22
Speaker 1: you know, like if you have these sether values, then um,
50:25
Speaker 1: emphasize those values and communicate to me like as if
50:28
Speaker 1: I look like you're equal, you know, don't block me,
50:31
Speaker 1: you know so. And that's kind of like when I
50:34
Speaker 1: spoke see you guys, and I know that you guys,
50:36
Speaker 1: and I probably would have never message you guys, kind
50:39
Speaker 1: that not been an episode on Anti black Man or
50:41
Speaker 1: so I kind of felt like you guys were you
50:44
Speaker 1: have prioritized that, you know, in your own lives and
50:47
Speaker 1: in the podcast, so well that was that was more
50:50
Speaker 1: And I didn't have any aspectations. It was more just like, hey,
50:53
Speaker 1: I don't really know like why I'm messaging you guys
50:55
Speaker 1: about this. I'm just looking for like some transference and accountability,
50:58
Speaker 1: you know. Sure, yeah, and you know we already went
51:02
Speaker 1: over like the response and like the ways that it
51:04
Speaker 1: was like problematic iNTS like that. And I think that, um,
51:07
Speaker 1: from this like situation and also other situations that I've
51:10
Speaker 1: been in, I've seen like that's like criticized callout culture.
51:14
Speaker 1: And that's fine, Like I don't I'm not. I don't
51:16
Speaker 1: feel cassionately about culture and I don't feel like badly
51:19
Speaker 1: about it, you know either. Um, but I see a
51:21
Speaker 1: lot of people use it as a way to, like
51:24
Speaker 1: the letter say well, we don't agree with called culture,
51:26
Speaker 1: therefore we're not going to engage with it, you know.
51:28
Speaker 1: And that And I was talking to somebody the other
51:31
Speaker 1: day and it's like I think maybe all all the
51:33
Speaker 1: like young spears are like bolideal queers of color needs
51:36
Speaker 1: to have like some type of like round table and culture,
51:40
Speaker 1: because I'm just like I don't see that it's called
51:42
Speaker 1: out culture. Like to me, there's a very specific thing
51:45
Speaker 1: about like call our culture, which is like I've laughed
51:48
Speaker 1: you on Facebook about some abusive behavior that you've had,
51:51
Speaker 1: or like I write a blog close about you that
51:53
Speaker 1: gets like a hundred thousand vieceas about like what a
51:55
Speaker 1: shitty person you are. Kind of like what I feel
51:58
Speaker 1: as called culture, or like if somebody eat that from
52:00
Speaker 1: being wrong on like a big book group and like
52:02
Speaker 1: they're like kind your comments telling that person like wotting that,
52:06
Speaker 1: like that's kind of like what I be a culture,
52:08
Speaker 1: but like that real life, real life that people have
52:11
Speaker 1: so many different definitions. But I think that there has
52:14
Speaker 1: to be like a face where like this is this
52:16
Speaker 1: accountability and you're just saying like that's wrong and you're
52:19
Speaker 1: infecting your and then they're called up on you. Yea yeah, yeah,
52:22
Speaker 1: absolutely yeah, And I think that it's fine. And I
52:25
Speaker 1: think that that's kind of like what I want to
52:27
Speaker 1: talk about. It's just like what our ideas about cal
52:30
Speaker 1: culture and like howlo culture might or might not be
52:34
Speaker 1: different from just being like pay that's not okay with me,
52:37
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean I think when
52:40
Speaker 1: you have like more access to a person, that's when
52:43
Speaker 1: kind of like the like the intra community dialogue can
52:45
Speaker 1: happen where even if it's you have your phone number, right,
52:49
Speaker 1: or even if it is via social media, but let's
52:50
Speaker 1: say like a group chat or a Facebook group, you
52:53
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because it's like there's multiple people
52:55
Speaker 1: in it and like y'all kind of have there's and
52:58
Speaker 1: usually in Facebook groups there there are some type of
53:01
Speaker 1: community guidelines, so there are those types of things to
53:03
Speaker 1: guide the conversation. UM. So I feel like that's different
53:07
Speaker 1: because you have access to a person, right, But then
53:09
Speaker 1: when it becomes like maybe it's someone you don't know
53:12
Speaker 1: and and it kind of just takes on the life
53:13
Speaker 1: of its own. I think that has when in our
53:16
Speaker 1: experience where we have seen it be really harmful to UM,
53:20
Speaker 1: to women, to women that are creating online right, right,
53:25
Speaker 1: I think yeah, like for us, like we're talking about,
53:27
Speaker 1: there are these different levels well just like the Internet
53:30
Speaker 1: in general, right, there's so many different levels and layers
53:33
Speaker 1: and communities on the Internet. And like you mentioning UM
53:37
Speaker 1: like about different definitions of call out culture. Like right
53:41
Speaker 1: before the episode episode thirty five that we did, we
53:45
Speaker 1: had done an episode like specifically about like callouts as well,
53:49
Speaker 1: right and like the death how callouts get out of
53:53
Speaker 1: control and how people pile on and then like now
53:56
Speaker 1: women are receiving death threats and their inboxes and and
54:00
Speaker 1: like we spent a lot of time on Twitter as
54:02
Speaker 1: well and sort of seeing how like in the latinox
54:05
Speaker 1: sort of like Twitter spaces, there's also that like propensity
54:10
Speaker 1: for like callouts to turn into like pylons where now
54:13
Speaker 1: people are joining in using it as an opportunity to threaten,
54:16
Speaker 1: like the person like in the in the middle of it,
54:18
Speaker 1: you know. So like I think that's like our our
54:20
Speaker 1: background and how we have seen callouts unfold. But I
54:24
Speaker 1: think in like this particular instance, UM, we like I
54:28
Speaker 1: did want to hold we did, and we do want
54:30
Speaker 1: to hold this person accountable further actions. Um. And it's
54:34
Speaker 1: we're kind of like at an impact at a stand
54:37
Speaker 1: still in a way because we have like, um, you know,
54:40
Speaker 1: reached out to this person multiple times and I like
54:43
Speaker 1: honestly texted her this past week and I honestly hope
54:46
Speaker 1: she's listening. And I was like, you really ghosted us,
54:49
Speaker 1: and I'm like really disappointed in this beha we got
54:51
Speaker 1: zero response whatsoever. We like I unfollowed her like because
54:55
Speaker 1: it's like that's not cool, right right? And um, for me,
55:02
Speaker 1: like it was really um frustrating because this person came
55:07
Speaker 1: from like a place of like I want to work
55:08
Speaker 1: with y'all and I want to build with y'all, and
55:10
Speaker 1: like here's this opportunity for us to work together, and
55:13
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, yeah, of course, sure, let's definitely collab.
55:16
Speaker 1: And then to see this person then respond in these
55:19
Speaker 1: ways to not only us, right to not respond not
55:22
Speaker 1: only to us, but then also to you another community
55:25
Speaker 1: member who was also you know, just trying to have
55:28
Speaker 1: a conversation. So it's I think we're like still not
55:32
Speaker 1: just us specifically, but I think on a community community level,
55:35
Speaker 1: especially now with like social media being a tool for
55:39
Speaker 1: us like trying to figure out what we're supposed to
55:41
Speaker 1: Like what do we do? We sent an email? Right,
55:44
Speaker 1: we did? Do you want to talk about the email
55:46
Speaker 1: that we sent? Sure? Um? We so, um we sent
55:50
Speaker 1: an email because I mean I'm sure by now y'all
55:53
Speaker 1: know what organization we're talking about, right, Even though we
55:55
Speaker 1: haven't named them. Um, we sent an email to the
55:57
Speaker 1: director of the organization that this photograph for mentors with
56:02
Speaker 1: and we basically line by line where like, this is
56:05
Speaker 1: the situation, this is what happened. This person was unresponsive
56:09
Speaker 1: and was harmful in these ways. We're really disappointed and
56:12
Speaker 1: saddened by this person. And they represent your organization. So
56:15
Speaker 1: in case this comes back to you in any way,
56:17
Speaker 1: like this is what happened, and also try and have
56:20
Speaker 1: the conversation on their end, because I'm not going to
56:24
Speaker 1: I'm not going to show up in her house, you
56:25
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like we've reached out. No, but
56:28
Speaker 1: I think like when once you have that position of
56:31
Speaker 1: being a mentor, like you're you're older, right and you're
56:34
Speaker 1: mentoring young girls. I mean, I don't know that there's
56:38
Speaker 1: something really it feels weird to me, you know, so
56:40
Speaker 1: just to like bring that into like were we like
56:43
Speaker 1: it's not something that we just like dropped, you know,
56:47
Speaker 1: we don't just take it lightly like we have like
56:49
Speaker 1: attempted to follow up and the follow up to the
56:52
Speaker 1: follow up basically Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like it's
56:58
Speaker 1: kind of like not to you know, because it's not
57:02
Speaker 1: just her problem, Like I think it's a cultural problem
57:06
Speaker 1: we're talking about like our community, and it's not gonna
57:08
Speaker 1: like demonize her at all. I think even like I
57:10
Speaker 1: would be open if she like messes me right now
57:12
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, I'm really sorry, you know
57:13
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's not even when my work you
57:16
Speaker 1: selling you guys, it's not even like personal you know
57:18
Speaker 1: that mean, it's more like here's what here's what it
57:21
Speaker 1: needs to meet. The action is here's what I'm meant
57:23
Speaker 1: for I coming in also just like as a social experiment,
57:26
Speaker 1: like what will happen if I really like follow through,
57:28
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? There were like it's not
57:30
Speaker 1: that thing would feel like this drop it And I
57:32
Speaker 1: could have just dropped it because it's not it's not
57:34
Speaker 1: a huge deal, you know what I mean. It's not
57:35
Speaker 1: like you guys can do like the worst thing that
57:37
Speaker 1: could have been done. But I think it's more just
57:39
Speaker 1: like we're in the same community, you know, and I
57:41
Speaker 1: think it's like a deep value for community. Then the
57:44
Speaker 1: least that you could do was like have a response,
57:46
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think it's it's
57:48
Speaker 1: strange that people get so focaled down and like what
57:51
Speaker 1: they think that they can do and what they feel
57:53
Speaker 1: entitled through that they are not even open to a conversation.
57:56
Speaker 1: And that's just that's my bottling to me, Like you
57:59
Speaker 1: can't even have a time relation. Yeah, you can think
58:02
Speaker 1: whatever you want, but you can't even have a conversation. Yeah,
58:06
Speaker 1: And it's just like, yeah, that's that's kind of like
58:08
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's crazy. Well yeah, I mean I
58:12
Speaker 1: think ultimately that's what we wanted to Like, we were like,
58:15
Speaker 1: we can have this conversation because we're very aware that
58:18
Speaker 1: this is this is not just like this of course
58:21
Speaker 1: as an individual's actually but the story to like a
58:23
Speaker 1: very large, a larger issue right in the community in
58:26
Speaker 1: Latino communities. Um, so we totally understand. Well, I think
58:30
Speaker 1: like it became a social experience for all of us,
58:33
Speaker 1: like because yeah, like you know, on your end, you know,
58:37
Speaker 1: like approaching it however, like and then on our end
58:41
Speaker 1: it becoming kind of revealing very you know, revelatory for us,
58:46
Speaker 1: because like you're saying, like, if it wasn't for the
58:48
Speaker 1: follow through and the reach out, we wouldn't have had
58:50
Speaker 1: this situation with her, and we wouldn't have seen this
58:54
Speaker 1: from her. You had had all of this not the
58:57
Speaker 1: dominoes had not all fallen kind of thing. It's also
58:59
Speaker 1: like one of those things where like people really just
59:01
Speaker 1: show themselves. But um, but I've been okay, you see
59:07
Speaker 1: perquy like on this topic, um just like broadening it.
59:10
Speaker 1: And I think that this is kind of like you know,
59:13
Speaker 1: you could do a salavent as for folks on this,
59:15
Speaker 1: but I think it's a value for me to kind
59:17
Speaker 1: of like reach out and say like that's not okay
59:19
Speaker 1: and like have that conversation because I'm still think in
59:22
Speaker 1: a way that we get really comfortable with like un following,
59:24
Speaker 1: you know, and it's kind of like I see like unfollowing.
59:28
Speaker 1: It's a it's a jump. But it's like you know,
59:31
Speaker 1: in recent news, like we've been seeing a lot of
59:32
Speaker 1: people like calling the police one bright people for like
59:35
Speaker 1: literally no peason and and so instead of like going
59:39
Speaker 1: to a person and being like hey, what you're doing
59:41
Speaker 1: fothering like it's still bullshit, Like they're not bothering that
59:43
Speaker 1: at all. But like you can't even go to the
59:46
Speaker 1: person and have a conversation and be like I'm calling
59:47
Speaker 1: the police because when you're doing it's like a dissensity
59:50
Speaker 1: or its fathering or whatever, you know what I mean,
59:52
Speaker 1: Like and I see that kind of like in the
59:54
Speaker 1: same way if it's like we kind of like unfollow
59:56
Speaker 1: people or we were used to engage we even we
1:00:00
Speaker 1: don't have practice in like language about like the fantine
1:00:03
Speaker 1: behavior or addressing behavior whether it's wrong or whether it's right,
1:00:07
Speaker 1: whether or being racist er and like us or whether
1:00:09
Speaker 1: you know, whatever position you're in. We just have no practice.
1:00:13
Speaker 1: And actually like her fronting the issue, and so I
1:00:16
Speaker 1: do really see those issues as related, you know what
1:00:18
Speaker 1: I mean. And the more we kind of like existed
1:00:20
Speaker 1: from like semic connection or just like with ourselves, the
1:00:23
Speaker 1: more we're gonna call the po people on black people
1:00:25
Speaker 1: if we're gonna be killed, and the more you know,
1:00:27
Speaker 1: we're gonna like this iss ourselves for most community. Like
1:00:30
Speaker 1: she's offers bid right now, you know what I mean,
1:00:33
Speaker 1: because she's Afics like fel you guys, somebody who she
1:00:35
Speaker 1: wanted to work with and like maybe from the people
1:00:37
Speaker 1: who were missil mistoring her. And like she has uncalled people,
1:00:41
Speaker 1: she's gonna follows. She's talking when it's like why do
1:00:43
Speaker 1: you want that just because you want to wear an
1:00:45
Speaker 1: hair cell that doesn't belong to you because you're so
1:00:48
Speaker 1: It's like, and that's the kind of like what I've
1:00:50
Speaker 1: felt when I'm trying to you guys, was like we
1:00:52
Speaker 1: might not know each other, we're wearing the same community
1:00:54
Speaker 1: and it's even if we're not, we could be in
1:00:55
Speaker 1: the same community, you know. And it's just like, and
1:00:58
Speaker 1: when we call the police, black people are option finding
1:01:00
Speaker 1: and we're saying that we want you to we want
1:01:02
Speaker 1: you to put in jail and maybe want you to
1:01:04
Speaker 1: be here because this is where you belong. It's like,
1:01:06
Speaker 1: don't something may seem like very related, but they're definitely related.
1:01:10
Speaker 1: Like what I was talking about at the pomp that
1:01:12
Speaker 1: I've seen was just like the like the thing, you
1:01:14
Speaker 1: know what that active kind of renting issue, you know,
1:01:18
Speaker 1: whether the media and I'm not gonna do you know
1:01:24
Speaker 1: that really like compresting those issues, right, That's true. Like
1:01:29
Speaker 1: the communication is something that just like anything else, it's
1:01:32
Speaker 1: something that we have to practice, right and something UM well,
1:01:36
Speaker 1: like we mentioned also at the beginning of this episode
1:01:39
Speaker 1: and sort of in our prep with you, Malico, we
1:01:40
Speaker 1: talked about earlier in this episode, UM discussions of wrapping
1:01:44
Speaker 1: up discussions of Sexual Assault Awareness Month. UM sexual violence
1:01:49
Speaker 1: that's been taking place forever, and but we're talking so
1:01:52
Speaker 1: much more about it, right and so we already kind
1:01:54
Speaker 1: of had some discussions about team dating violence but also
1:01:57
Speaker 1: about confronting issues. UM, we also want to make sure
1:02:00
Speaker 1: that we take time today to also make space to
1:02:03
Speaker 1: to discuss UM the sexual assault that was perpetrated against
1:02:07
Speaker 1: Carlin Police Department officers. UM against a black women named
1:02:11
Speaker 1: Shakisha Clemens and I'm probably saying her first name wrong
1:02:14
Speaker 1: in Alabama. UM, So we wanted to bring up you know,
1:02:17
Speaker 1: that case as well, just to also like hold space
1:02:20
Speaker 1: for her and maybe if there was anything that you know,
1:02:24
Speaker 1: you've been thinking about or discussing in April and Sexual
1:02:26
Speaker 1: Assault Awareness Month or with that case and the discussions
1:02:29
Speaker 1: going on around her and how to be supportive or
1:02:32
Speaker 1: how to respond UM when the state, specifically in this case,
1:02:35
Speaker 1: police officers are committing these really horrible acts of physical
1:02:39
Speaker 1: and sexual violence. UM, if you had any thoughts that
1:02:42
Speaker 1: you wanted to share, Yeah, I mean, thank you for
1:02:46
Speaker 1: like purdaying that and having been been on your your show.
1:02:51
Speaker 1: I think like I thought the the the video of
1:02:55
Speaker 1: it and obviously would just like aren't from getting like
1:02:57
Speaker 1: discussed it yeah, and that like this this like sense
1:03:01
Speaker 1: of control, like even when she started to kind of
1:03:03
Speaker 1: like off with her hands, like the officer like took
1:03:05
Speaker 1: her hand and was like like okay, like you know,
1:03:07
Speaker 1: like what is she gonna she gotta do it. It's
1:03:09
Speaker 1: like it's almost like laughable, but it's also not UM.
1:03:12
Speaker 1: But I think that what I would like to ask
1:03:15
Speaker 1: to the conversation. First of all, it's like you don't
1:03:16
Speaker 1: see the response UM from the waffle house like that
1:03:20
Speaker 1: we're thinking against start us, which is like boycott and
1:03:23
Speaker 1: when the sun Us things point first happened obviously, like
1:03:26
Speaker 1: I was like mothered by it, but I try to
1:03:28
Speaker 1: like divest if anything happens to do with like master
1:03:31
Speaker 1: or maybe or man like on my radar. UM. But
1:03:36
Speaker 1: it seems just like, you know, don't think that will
1:03:40
Speaker 1: just like men or black men, and when they're like
1:03:43
Speaker 1: attack or like UM treating unfairly that we won't do
1:03:46
Speaker 1: for black women. You know that one thing. I think.
1:03:50
Speaker 1: The second thing is like the narrative around it is
1:03:53
Speaker 1: UM has a lot been about like, well they're not
1:03:55
Speaker 1: doing anything, they're not doing anything to where that we've been.
1:03:59
Speaker 1: And while that's very true, I think we have to
1:04:01
Speaker 1: shift the narratives from like, well, what if they were
1:04:03
Speaker 1: doing something, there should there still should not be this
1:04:07
Speaker 1: police response. You know that. And you know me, I'm
1:04:11
Speaker 1: a very um radical and politics police abolitionist. I don't
1:04:16
Speaker 1: believe that. I feel you that they occupy our country,
1:04:18
Speaker 1: in our in our lives. So if we really operate
1:04:20
Speaker 1: with this idea that like there are other responses that
1:04:24
Speaker 1: we could have to um black people in general, because
1:04:27
Speaker 1: you know, obviously we see the problem as being black
1:04:31
Speaker 1: people in general. It's not black people are doing anything,
1:04:33
Speaker 1: it's black people in general. And so um, I kind
1:04:36
Speaker 1: of like, well, they're not doing anything, they're not doing
1:04:38
Speaker 1: anything for the polic should not before ah, But like
1:04:40
Speaker 1: we don't we justify when we say those things. We
1:04:42
Speaker 1: just defy when like people are doing something like it's
1:04:45
Speaker 1: they're selling trugs, get there arguing with somebody, if there's anything,
1:04:49
Speaker 1: and for no reason should anybody get treated like that.
1:04:52
Speaker 1: If she was cutting somebody out, if she was there naked,
1:04:55
Speaker 1: if she was there doing anything that she was doing,
1:04:58
Speaker 1: there's no reason for simp acted that way. And I
1:05:01
Speaker 1: think we have to ship the conversation to really think
1:05:03
Speaker 1: about the way that we gentify the police are from
1:05:06
Speaker 1: by people in the way that we don't this supply
1:05:08
Speaker 1: um and so this like they had said, like respected
1:05:11
Speaker 1: boy who not absolutely you know the whole perfect um
1:05:17
Speaker 1: you know, had her rent or whatever. And I mean
1:05:20
Speaker 1: people would be like who are like you know about
1:05:24
Speaker 1: like what a validation we give the police um and
1:05:28
Speaker 1: the way that that kind of like happens, you know absolutely,
1:05:31
Speaker 1: and and you know, I think it's so important to
1:05:33
Speaker 1: talk about police and sexual violence UM, especially during sexual
1:05:37
Speaker 1: assault Awareness months, because like in my work as a
1:05:40
Speaker 1: crisis counselor, I always talked to survivors about the fact
1:05:44
Speaker 1: that like so many survivors, like women across racial lines, UM,
1:05:49
Speaker 1: when women call the police quite often, like survivors of
1:05:52
Speaker 1: domestic violence are arrested and spend the weekend in jail.
1:05:56
Speaker 1: And I get those hotline calls all the time, and
1:05:58
Speaker 1: I have those clients or clients who their abusers are
1:06:01
Speaker 1: police officers, and we can talk about how police have
1:06:04
Speaker 1: the highest rate of domestic violence of of any demographic
1:06:07
Speaker 1: and how just very generally right like when we talk
1:06:09
Speaker 1: about policing, it is a very sexually violent institution. And
1:06:13
Speaker 1: then to see that playing out with that you know
1:06:16
Speaker 1: specifically and the anti blackness and the misogynoire like wrapped
1:06:20
Speaker 1: up in all of it. I think it's just so
1:06:22
Speaker 1: like it's just so nuanced, but it's so impactful. Um,
1:06:26
Speaker 1: and I'm just really grateful that you know that, like
1:06:28
Speaker 1: you're also like here to talk about it and give
1:06:31
Speaker 1: your two cents and to talk about you know, sexual
1:06:33
Speaker 1: violence against black women, you know, as we're talking about
1:06:35
Speaker 1: Sexual Assault Awareness Month in general. You know, so thank
1:06:38
Speaker 1: you for your your perspective. Thank you absolutely so. I
1:06:43
Speaker 1: think now we're sort of winding down. Yeah, so we
1:06:47
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, um, if they're so for one, like,
1:06:51
Speaker 1: if you for where folks can follow you, and if
1:06:53
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about your business. I know, like
1:06:56
Speaker 1: your one half of two ticks in the mix, So
1:06:58
Speaker 1: if you wanted to talk about that and plug people
1:07:00
Speaker 1: to that so they can follow you and support. Yeah,
1:07:04
Speaker 1: thank you. Um. I felt like I've been my Instagram
1:07:07
Speaker 1: is as for us them, UM, so you know I
1:07:11
Speaker 1: would love people to like message me on the or
1:07:12
Speaker 1: like probably and messages me like tell me what you
1:07:14
Speaker 1: thought about like what I've said around just like accountability
1:07:17
Speaker 1: and something that like I really want to hear other
1:07:18
Speaker 1: people's thoughts around like yeah, well we're talking about um
1:07:22
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I felt always sefferent the business part
1:07:25
Speaker 1: of my life and you can't order anything. Um. So
1:07:29
Speaker 1: we're based in l A and an oak plan so
1:07:31
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1:07:33
Speaker 1: even um catering and things like that. So that's two ships.
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Speaker 1: That's really cute. I saw that y'all recently had like
1:07:44
Speaker 1: a tea party or something really fabulous. Can you talk
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Speaker 1: about can you talk about that? Yeah? So that was
1:07:52
Speaker 1: a lot of time I've been with partners in l A.
1:07:54
Speaker 1: Like I said, so said or how which is a
1:07:57
Speaker 1: really beautiful home and there I um, and so yeah,
1:08:00
Speaker 1: we're gonna do more, um and hered in me all
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Speaker 1: oh yeah we're gonna do more. So yeah, definitely all
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Speaker 1: announced like that. Thank you me so much. So we're
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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and we'll make sure. Yeah, well we'll
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Speaker 1: post your your handles um when we post about the
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1:09:03
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1:09:06
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