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Star Wars Mace Windu Glass Abyss Review Episode CCVIII · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, I'm your host Clay, and with me like
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  Speaker 2: always is the beast of a speed reader Katie. Now, people,
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  Speaker 2: I need you to know this before Katie can talk.
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  Speaker 2: This woman said about a week ago, Oh, I've only
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  Speaker 2: read about ten chapters, and I was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: haven't even started it yet. And then the app that
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  Speaker 2: we used to read these advanced copies I found out
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  Speaker 2: has an ai read aloud. I don't love it because
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't have that nuance that narration does in audible,
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't really get me super into the book.
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  Speaker 2: But at least I can read it and do it
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  Speaker 2: in a timely manner, just because work has me a
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  Speaker 2: lot of like hands on stuff and I'm not really
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  Speaker 2: able to really zone in on the book. Now this
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  Speaker 2: I've been reading every single night instead of at work
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  Speaker 2: because at work, I'm still new and I'm still trying
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  Speaker 2: to absorb new information and I didn't want the book
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  Speaker 2: to really get in my way. So I was reading
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  Speaker 2: this every single night. Last night I get a text,
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  Speaker 2: a picture, not just a text, a picture that says, oh,
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  Speaker 2: time to speed read and it had a picture of
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  Speaker 2: chapter nineteen, and I'm like, wow, this girl is going
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  Speaker 2: to have a long night. An hour and a half later,
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  Speaker 2: only an hour and a half, people, an hour and
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  Speaker 2: a half. This book is three hundred and seventy six
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  Speaker 2: pages digitally. Digitally, she showed me a picture of chapter nineteen.
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  Speaker 2: An hour and a half later, I get a text
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  Speaker 2: say wow, I am crying at chapter forty seven, and
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  Speaker 2: my brain explodes. I'm like, what forty seven? How is
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  Speaker 2: this even possible?
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  Speaker 3: Do you know what will make you feel even better?
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  Speaker 3: I spent probably thirty minutes trying to get Mara down
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  Speaker 3: to go to sleep.
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  Speaker 2: I hate you. I see you showed me the superpower.
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  Speaker 2: I know what the superpower is. I can only do
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  Speaker 2: about half of what you do. But you are insane. Guy.
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  Speaker 3: We see this every time.
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  Speaker 2: Every time it is still boggles my mind because you
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  Speaker 2: like it's you. You won't get this reference but like
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  Speaker 2: it's it's it's the dragon ball Z meme of like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this isn't even my final form. You. You continue to
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  Speaker 2: impress and go above and beyond every single time, And
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  Speaker 2: of course I understand right now you are like neck
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  Speaker 2: deep in like hey, I have a new baby, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff going on with the house, and
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  Speaker 2: like there's all of these things that are preventing you
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  Speaker 2: from probably wanting to read when you can or want to.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt was like last night, he was like, you're
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  Speaker 3: on Instagram. Aren't you supposed to be reading? And I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I need a break. I need to just
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  Speaker 3: mindlessly scroll.
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  Speaker 2: Like I do the same thing. So I'll tell Abby.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I cannot do anything else. I need to read.
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  Speaker 2: And like she'll come into the room and I'm like
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  Speaker 2: playing a game and she's like, I thought you're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be Like, sorry, I can't. My brain needs to
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  Speaker 2: turn off for a second. But yeah, we are here
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  Speaker 2: today talking about the new Star Wars novel, Mace Wind
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  Speaker 2: Do the Glass Abyss. And I texted Katie when she
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  Speaker 2: was talking about being on chapter forty seven. I texted
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  Speaker 2: her and I said, this book. What did I say specifically?
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  Speaker 2: Because this is absolutely true? I said, I have a
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  Speaker 2: lot and very little to say about this book. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to be a very interesting conversation because here's the
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  Speaker 2: one thing that I have to say about this book.
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  Speaker 2: In particular, this is the most and least star Wars
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  Speaker 2: book I have ever read, because it's like, I know,
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  Speaker 2: it's Star Wars, and Star Wars has its niches and
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  Speaker 2: very like stereotypical things, elements that they put inside of
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  Speaker 2: a Star Wars book. This is very Star Wars, but
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  Speaker 2: it also veers in such a like non Star Wars
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  Speaker 2: sci fi thing that I'm like, this new, this feels new,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what I really dug about it.
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  Speaker 3: I had a blast with this one. The closest book
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  Speaker 3: that I could potentially draw comparison to is this book
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  Speaker 3: is everything that Kadawan wanted to be and more. And
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  Speaker 3: that's because I don't okay, I say that's because I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if it's because this is an adult book,
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  Speaker 3: so it was allowed to go further into a character
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  Speaker 3: exploration with more adult themes, but obviously like and Padawan
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  Speaker 3: being a young adult and Obi Wan being a teenager,
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  Speaker 3: like two very different planes of existence. However, I thoroughly
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  Speaker 3: enjoyed this book. I have not read The Cestis Deception
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  Speaker 3: by Stephen Bartnes. That is his only Star Wars, his
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  Speaker 3: only other Star Wars novel. It is a Legends book,
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  Speaker 3: but I need to go read it because this book
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  Speaker 3: was such a character study and like explored new depths
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  Speaker 3: of Mace Windu that I didn't know were possible and
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  Speaker 3: that could make me love Mace because I've always had
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  Speaker 3: a problem with maceoble with everybody's always had a problem
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  Speaker 3: with me.
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  Speaker 2: So the really funny thing, and guys, we announced this
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  Speaker 2: a while back, our book reviews are going to be
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  Speaker 2: a little different in the sense of because we are
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  Speaker 2: trying to release these on embargo date, we are not
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  Speaker 2: going to go crazy with the spoilers. And of course
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  Speaker 2: this is something that we have been very passionate about
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  Speaker 2: because we want you, guys to be able to enjoy
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  Speaker 2: the book at its fullest and have the experience yourself.
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  Speaker 2: So we will probably touch based on like very minor
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  Speaker 2: spoilers and random things like that. But the one thing
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  Speaker 2: that I told you early on into my reading was
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  Speaker 2: why didn't we get this Mace in Clone Wars? Why
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  Speaker 2: didn't we get this Mace anywhere else? And the thing
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  Speaker 2: that I love about the character of Mace is outside
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  Speaker 2: of Star Wars is the fact that everybody has pointed
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  Speaker 2: the finger at Mace and said, oh, he's the unfun one.
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  Speaker 2: He is the most serious Jedi. That kind of sucks
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  Speaker 2: the energy out of every room and he's just like
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  Speaker 2: to the tee and kind of boring and everywhere else
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  Speaker 2: has made him not like he tried to break that shell.
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  Speaker 2: This book does exactly that. Yeah, this book, I will say,
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  Speaker 2: is think of everything that you everything that you love
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  Speaker 2: about some of your favorite Star Wars characters Qui Gon
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  Speaker 2: jen Obi Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, and they threw those
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  Speaker 2: elements into this novel with with Mace window and like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting chills thinking about it because it's so good,
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  Speaker 2: like the the the actual jokes. Mace Windu makes jokes
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  Speaker 2: in this book. And that's that's the point that I made.
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  Speaker 2: That's at that point, that's when I had texted you
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  Speaker 2: and I said I wanted this Mace all along. There
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  Speaker 2: there is a joke in here. I will say this.
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  Speaker 2: One of the main characters of this new planet that
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  Speaker 2: we're visiting in this novel, the species, Yes, the species.
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  Speaker 2: And that's that's the other thing that I know this
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  Speaker 2: book is a really good book. When I can't remember
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  Speaker 2: whose side is what this so so of course like
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  Speaker 2: the very stereotypical thing when it comes to like science
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  Speaker 2: fiction and galactic war, like Star Wars is that this
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  Speaker 2: very stereotypical thing is like there's a new world and
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  Speaker 2: there's two factions and they're always at war. And but
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  Speaker 2: like this had like a very like interesting dynamic of
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  Speaker 2: like this like multi layer like literally multi layer construction
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  Speaker 2: and like the like middle class, high class, like like
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  Speaker 2: how it was all structured, very interesting, very thought out.
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  Speaker 2: I love the dynamic and the political war that was
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  Speaker 2: going on throughout this whole thing. But like one of
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  Speaker 2: the stories is that, like one of the on highs
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  Speaker 2: is like they have lots of children. They have lots
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  Speaker 2: of children, and one of them is talking to Mace
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  Speaker 2: and he's like I'm number four hundred, like some some
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  Speaker 2: large number, and Mace just says it's the last words
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  Speaker 2: of the chapter. Mace is like she needs to get
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  Speaker 2: a new hobby. Like it's so silly and stupid and
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  Speaker 2: so subtle. I literally laughed out loud in my car
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  Speaker 2: while I was reading this before I walked into work,
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  Speaker 2: like this book is so good. I was very surprised
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  Speaker 2: because again the status quo on Mace is, Oh, to
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  Speaker 2: the te he's boring, He's become, especially during Clone Wars,
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  Speaker 2: this like very hard stricken leader that's always barking orders
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  Speaker 2: like I didn't know where this book was going to go,
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  Speaker 2: and when they very early on first two chapters introduce
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  Speaker 2: this entire story is pushed upon a past relationship that
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  Speaker 2: Qui Gon had built. I'm like, okay, Mace, like, don't
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  Speaker 2: basically step all over Qui Gon's great here. You have
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  Speaker 2: to take this very seriously, but also like think of
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  Speaker 2: your past, because that's that's one thing about this. This
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  Speaker 2: book takes place after Phantom Menace, yes, but before Attack
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  Speaker 2: of the Clones, yes, So this is.
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  Speaker 3: Like immediately after, Like we get Qui Gon's funeral.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and we do get some little flashes of Anakin's
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  Speaker 2: training also, so we do know that it's like immediately after,
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  Speaker 2: but also at the same time, like a little like
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  Speaker 2: a little bit time has passed, you know, to the
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  Speaker 2: point where Anakin has at least started to do some training.
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  Speaker 2: Because even in Phantom Menace, there is a time there
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  Speaker 2: is a time jump from Qui Gon's funeral to the
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  Speaker 2: celebrate of on the boot, Like there's there is still
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  Speaker 2: a time jump there because then you see Anakin with
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  Speaker 2: like his new Jedi padawan garbs and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, there there is some time that is in
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  Speaker 2: between all that and whatnot. But when they introduced this
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  Speaker 2: like dynamic of of like, hey, Qui Gon had a
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  Speaker 2: prior history with these characters and now Mace is jumping
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  Speaker 2: into it. I thought that was very interesting because Qui
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  Speaker 2: Gon and Mace are opposite sides of the coin.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but then you find out that they play they
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  Speaker 3: basically played the Star Wars Chess together Dajarik. They played
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  Speaker 3: it together all the time and Qui Gon was always
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  Speaker 3: five moved ahead of uh Mace. And I loved that
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  Speaker 3: that was a theme throughout the book, that there was
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  Speaker 3: all these little callbacks to the Dajarik game and that
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  Speaker 3: Mace would be like, Qui Gon's got me again, Like.
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  Speaker 2: I really really dug the because at one point we
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  Speaker 2: do get like because I still I don't think they
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  Speaker 2: will ever do it, because I don't think Lucas from
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  Speaker 2: Publishing is very interested in doing these types of stories.
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  Speaker 2: But this whole story is based upon a prior mission
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  Speaker 2: that Qui Gon had stumbled upon, and we we get
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  Speaker 2: a small part of that. There is a flashback that
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  Speaker 2: has Qui Gon in there and it's only Qui Gon
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  Speaker 2: and it's like, hey, this is to tell you how
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  Speaker 2: he kind of got into this mess and why Mace
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  Speaker 2: is now stuck in this situation.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and they kind of do, because we get one
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  Speaker 3: chapter with Qui Gon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's That's what I'm saying, Like, we we do
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  Speaker 2: get that that that chapter that says, hey, this is
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  Speaker 2: what happened. But there was a moment in the book
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  Speaker 2: where Qui Gon Hell's Mace like, hey, like this Well, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't. It wasn't directly Remind me again, was it
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  Speaker 2: a hollowvid that was a holocron? That was like I
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  Speaker 2: can't remember exactly we sped read through this entire book, guys,
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  Speaker 2: I am getting like glimpses of like in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of the book and in the ending of the book
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  Speaker 2: and everything else. But there is a moment, I believe
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  Speaker 2: what I can't remember what got Mace actually to that planet.
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  Speaker 3: It was all right, y'all, we're going to hit our
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  Speaker 3: first ad break and we will be right back in
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  Speaker 3: three two one. Qui Gon basically left like a personal effect.
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  Speaker 3: So like he so the like the main hero of
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  Speaker 3: or the main species of the planet that's calling Qui
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  Speaker 3: Gon and Mace into it is the Sad who is
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  Speaker 3: led by I think her name is kin Sean is
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  Speaker 3: how you pronounce it. And so she sent a crystal
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  Speaker 3: to Qui Gon because the Sad saved his life from Chuloc,
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  Speaker 3: who is like the main one of the main villains
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  Speaker 3: of the story, which we have to talk about them,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, because yeah, but she sends a crystal
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  Speaker 3: to Qui Gon reminding him of his debt. Well, Qui
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  Speaker 3: Gon had just gotten called to the mission to go
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  Speaker 3: to Naboo, so he put it aside and was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I will come back to it after the fact. But
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  Speaker 3: he also recorded a like last Will and Testament because
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  Speaker 3: he had a feeling that he wasn't going to make
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  Speaker 3: it back from the mission to Nabou. So he records
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  Speaker 3: the last Will and Testament for Mace Window and that
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  Speaker 3: is given to Mace And so I think he looks
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  Speaker 3: up the planet in like the Jedi archives, is able
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  Speaker 3: to find something. So he gets to the planet and
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  Speaker 3: hides his ship on the surface and then he makes
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  Speaker 3: his way down into the tunnels because that was the
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  Speaker 3: instruction Quigan had given him. So there's two messages, one
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  Speaker 3: for before the mission and one for after the mission. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and so that's kind of how Mace gets there, and
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  Speaker 3: in the process he goes through all of the different
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  Speaker 3: like levels. It's like the world building for Matagos barn
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  Speaker 3: Stephen Barnes does an incredible job with it, just articulating
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  Speaker 3: everything but not making it seem over detailed like Tolkien's books,
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  Speaker 3: like this is like what I would want is like a, hey,
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  Speaker 3: here's the planet, but like, you know, here's like these
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  Speaker 3: animals that have been overcome by the radiation of the
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  Speaker 3: sun and like now we're down below protected from the sun,
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  Speaker 3: like whole shit it gives.
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  Speaker 2: He gives the bare minimum in the sense of like
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  Speaker 2: it's it's thoroughly thought out, in the sense of like
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  Speaker 2: him writing it and being like, oh, people are probably
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  Speaker 2: gonna wonder how this is possible on this level, and
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  Speaker 2: he just throws it out willy nilly in the conversations
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  Speaker 2: that are going on, and it feels very organic and
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  Speaker 2: it is world building at the same time. I loved
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  Speaker 2: it made it very simple to follow. It made you
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  Speaker 2: feel very like, oh, like this is the world structure,
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  Speaker 2: this is the economy, this is how nature grows. And
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  Speaker 2: the one thing that I love how these books continue
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  Speaker 2: to do this because it is a very hot topic
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  Speaker 2: because of the Acolyte, and this is not how the
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  Speaker 2: voice works. We have a new thing for the force,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with the web. It's the web and it
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  Speaker 2: and even Mace is like, oh you mean the force
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  Speaker 2: like that that that that's what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: I love that conversation.
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  Speaker 2: But again, even in those conversations, it's like, yes, you
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  Speaker 2: may call it the Force, but we call it the Web,
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  Speaker 2: like respect what we have here, yep. And there was
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  Speaker 2: a lot of those conversations of like, hey, you're new
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  Speaker 2: to our planet. This is how things are run. This
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  Speaker 2: is our culture. And I think I love that the
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  Speaker 2: most about these books, especially when it comes to Star Wars,
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  Speaker 2: is because we in the real world are very like
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  Speaker 2: we are starting to learn and I think unfortunately it's
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  Speaker 2: only been in the last twenty years that we in
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  Speaker 2: real life are starting to learn this about other countries
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  Speaker 2: in cultures. But like, just because we see our culture
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  Speaker 2: as like quote unquote superior or whatever, like we feel
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  Speaker 2: like to force it onto everybody else whereas in the
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars universe, like hey, you're visiting us, like you
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  Speaker 2: are the outlier here. This is how things run. If
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  Speaker 2: you want to stay here, you'll have to learn this,
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  Speaker 2: this and this, and May starts to learn these things
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  Speaker 2: about the web, about the silk, about like all of
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  Speaker 2: these different things, and he's like some things make him uncomfortable,
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  Speaker 2: which we learn has to do with some things that
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  Speaker 2: are going on mentally and how it's being forced upon
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  Speaker 2: him mentally, you know, like all of these different things,
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  Speaker 2: and that has to do with like the villains and
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  Speaker 2: everything kind of all of that. But it's so so good.
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  Speaker 2: I I I like that because it is a what's
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  Speaker 2: what's the word I'm looking for? An allegarchy or or
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  Speaker 2: or it's it's basically metaphor metaphor for us as specifically.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like Americans, it's like, hey, like you, we
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  Speaker 2: aren't superior here, Like Mace is not the superior being here.
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  Speaker 2: It is these people and this culture and of course
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  Speaker 2: the Jedi are always seen as superior, and like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we have to look like not down upon everybody. But
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  Speaker 2: like Mace had to break everything down, he had to
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  Speaker 2: shed all of that literally, and I love and I
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  Speaker 2: said very early on in this review that like it
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  Speaker 2: took some of your favorite aspects of other characters. Mace
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  Speaker 2: goes under cover in this yeh.
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  Speaker 3: As the Solver, Oh, the Solver. The Solver just adds
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  Speaker 3: so much humanity to Mace because like in other books,
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  Speaker 3: you've seen him as like this pillar of excellence, I
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  Speaker 3: could do no wrong. But then as the Solver, he's
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  Speaker 3: forced to like get nitty gritty as a mercenary and
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  Speaker 3: like actually kill people. And he tries to avoid that.
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  Speaker 2: And I wanted to talk to you about that again,
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  Speaker 2: trying to kind of weave it in and out of
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  Speaker 2: a spoiler territory here, but you kind of went over
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  Speaker 2: that threshold of like he does have to really think about, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: I can't be a Jedi right now, Like being a
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  Speaker 2: Jedi is actually very dangerous right now because of the
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  Speaker 2: history of Kauai gon Jin, and you know, let's let's
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  Speaker 2: try to do it in this other manner. And you're right,
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  Speaker 2: he does have an inner dialogue with himself of like
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to do whatever I can to not
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  Speaker 2: kill these individuals, and then like I'm just gonna spoil
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  Speaker 2: this one part. I'm not gonna say who it is,
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  Speaker 2: but there's somebody that he's wrestling with with a blaster
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  Speaker 2: and maces, like, okay, let's do this in a way
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  Speaker 2: that I'm not gonna kill him, and that individual like
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  Speaker 2: pulls the trigger while Mace is like moving the arm
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: and blast the dude blasts his own face off, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: it's like yep, oh, and there's there's also that brings
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: me to another very good point, and you would said,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: also there's a lot of adult themes here. It does
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: get very dark, and I will go ahead and throw
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: in a trigger warning, and I do want to ask
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: you personally as a new mom. There is a scene
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: later on in the book where it like shit really
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: starts to hit the fan, and like there's a moment
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: where one of the villains gets a blaster and shoots
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: somebody and the narration says, oh, they could have shot
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: them square in the face and it could have been
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: you know, just you know, done with. But they blast
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: them over and over again in the body and they
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Barnes does this like really grotesque but like not super
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: disgusting way of like explaining like the goo and the
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: flesh and it's all spilling out and like then talks
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: about like the killing of children and all of this stuff,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and like it gets dark.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: It does really quickly, and I had to kind of
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: like pace myself at that point, because I think that
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: was when I called it last night and was like, Okay,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: we're gonna stop here, I'm gonna take a break, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: then ended up going to sleep and stuff. But like
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: it does, like Barnes like goes back and forth, especially
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: in that part of the book, to kind of just
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: articulate how much is happening, and like we know that
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: this takes place after the Phantom Menace. We don't know
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: how long the book is like time frame wise, but
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I would say Mace is here for like four or
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: five months.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: It very much feels like that because he gets very
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: comfortable with the way of life with because his whole,
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: his whole identity of like becoming this mercenary is to
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: get close to the people on high and to figure
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: out everything so that way, hey, I know that these
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: other people are safe, you know. And in order to
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: do that, like he asked the questions very early on
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: in the book of like oh, well, how do I
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: get promoted and how do I do this? And how
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: do I do that? And so it's not something that
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: could happen over like a month. He has to be
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: there for a while for sure.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: So the main villain in this story. Their name is Chuloc,
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: and this was very interesting to me because Chulock is
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: not one. They are two and lock joined together. So
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: they are like literally two people joined by a fleshy
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: bond is what it's called. Basically, it's very creepy because
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: it's not like they're like conjoined twins or something. They
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: are a Roodian. Locke is the Rhodian, and then Chu
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: is another species. I can't remember the species name, but
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: it's not a species that we've seen a ton or
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: at all, actually, now that I think about it, because
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: I don't actually remember reading about them. But they're like
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: two very distinct personalities that have chosen to merge, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: they talk like about each other as if they're like
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: one soul and that they were soulmates meant for each other.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: And there's words of a prophecy. And we're not going
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: to go too much into this, but I found this
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: interesting because prophecies and star wars are always interesting mm hmm.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: But they talk about adding a third to them, and
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say like how that ends up
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: in the book, But what did you think about Chulock
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: as a whole.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Tchulock was very creepy and very unsettling. There's there's a
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: moment where even Mace like gets very like, oh, like
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: this is uncomfortable mm hm. Because of the way that
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Chulock speaks. There's like in I would say that like
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: in most movies that you see when there is this
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: kind of thing where like two voices are speaking at once,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: there's usually this like auditory like differential but also like
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: in unison, and it kind of makes things disorienting. That's
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: basically what Mace was feeling when they were talking, and
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: it does like as time goes on in the book,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Mace does make a point of reference of like, oh,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I've kind of gotten used to this now, like I
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: can I can take this uneasiness when they speak type
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: of thing.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: But he also talks about how he has to be
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: more careful because it lulls him into a false sense
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: of security, and like, I kind of actually want to
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: see like art of tu Lac. I want to see
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: how like Steven Barts actually like imagine this character to look.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Like I can't wait until the fan art comes in
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: to this. Now, there's other people in the fandom that
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: might do some their friend art that I'm kind of
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: scared of. But uh, but this it's it's it's gonna
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: be a very interesting way to Like I would be
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: okay with revisiting this this place, this this planet. What
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: was the planet called again? It was, uh, yes, because
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: we get the we get verbally the full history. We
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: we get it twice and or maybe two or three times,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and and it's it's referenced also because again Mace is
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: trying to learn more about it and asking this questions
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: that questions, and people are telling him like, oh, well,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: you know, our family came into this place during this time,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: which was when these people were in power and this
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: was going on, and these people were actually slaves to
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: build these homes, and like all of these different dynamics
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: and stuff I would be okay with. And I think
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: we could possibly find out the timeline better this way.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: I need a high republic like introduction to this planet.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: We're gonna go into our second ad break and we'll
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: be right back. And you know, it's completely plausible that
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: we could get that because there's like ships, so they
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: have like a shipyard for each side of the Matago's
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: conflict plus the civilians, and there's tuck that well the
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: book describes an ancient Jedi.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Vector mm hmmm, who is not.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Being piloted by anybody with four capabilities. So you get
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: to see how that kind of interacts because we had wondered, okay,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: the vectors require for sensitivity, like we had wondered that,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: but you know, somebody without the force sensitivity was able
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: to pilot it, but they weren't able to do as
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: much damage with it and use it to its full capabilities.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: So I liked getting to see that in the book.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would be very funny. Put it
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: in a comic or put it in a novel, whichever
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: one you decide to do, just do it because there
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: is a huge history to this planet. The like the
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: craziness of how like organically the structures also works symbiotically. Like,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I loved it all. I think it was very very
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: interesting yeap, very unique and like I said, like we
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: have the very Star Wars s stuff. But Barnes was
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: able to take I'm looking at his list of books, now,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: his other stuff does kind of go into the science fiction,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: so I think he was very much able to take
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: his background in that and be like, oh, I'm going
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: to introduce some stuff that isn't very star Wars in here,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: but make it star Wars, which yeah.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: He talks he talks about in like his acknowledgments section
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: at the end he talks about bringing in somebody who
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: was like a dream psychologist. Like the science fiction portions
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: of it, the biology like all very interesting and I
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: love the amount of research he did. Stephen Barnes is
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: seventy two years old. Did you read Yeah?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: I saw that in his little stephenbartons dot com about
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: section here on Google. I was like, holy cow, Like
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: this dude has been through a lot and to just
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: now be again. He wrote a book back in what
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: looks like two thousand and four was the release of,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: like you said, The Cestus Deception. But like, I like,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: how is it that he was not like pulled into
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Star Wars sooner?
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: And maybe it was the idea of like, Okay, I
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: don't want to contribute too much to like a main
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: stream IP. But also like Toma said that they can't
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: really pull in authors, So maybe he was approached with
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: the idea of like, hey, this is something we think
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: you'd be really good at, and he was like, Okay,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: this is the one opportunity I've been looking for to
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: come back. So to be able to do that, it's
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: quite impressive. What did you think of the Druid characters,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: particularly Maya twelve?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I thought they were very very interesting. Now, remind me,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: was Maya twelve the kind of like detective? Yeah? Was?
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Was she the one that I remember very early on
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: that like pulled out the cigarette or like it doesn't
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: like like Mace even was like you don't have lungs?
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Why did you do that? Like what's going on here?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I loved it. I love these characters because again it
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: gets into this idea of like it's a little bit
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: of uh, Blade Runner and like again like all of
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: these other parts of sci fi put into Star Wars,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I loved it. It's it's this idea that this world
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: was very much like an organic like very like I
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: can't even like bring up the words to it, but
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: the fact that there was like androids and this organic
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: thing going on and they were assumbiotically like meshed together.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: And because correct me if I'm wrong, and I may
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: have just read this book way too fast to completely
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: understand this whole thing.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: We're having to get it done a little. Really, guys,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: here's the Nameless coming out this week. We're recording this
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: September twenty second.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: But the all of the children were like androids as well, right,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: but they were also like children like it.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: So I so no I. So the orphanage was set
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: up so like the Sybil children were in there, so
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: like they could grow on their own and everything. But
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: then like the sister I think they're called the Sisters
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: of the Light kind of everyone who needed help, so
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: the Sybil children, but also like if parents got lost
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: in the conflict between Sybil and Tulac, then those kids
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: would come to the orphanage refugees like whole Shabak. So
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think there were any Android children down there.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Maya eight, Maya twelve, Maya fourteen, I think we're like
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: the only like.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Android okay, okay, okay situation. But I really dug them
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: as characters. I think my twelve was my favorite. She
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: had a little bit of like a personality to her
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: with a lot of those things.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: So I really dug that, And I sorry, I loved
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: the methodology because Maya twelve basically goes through different personalities
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: and that's a huge part of the story that won't
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: get into because spoilsh But like basically she can switch
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: chips and so she becomes like a singer, a prostitute,
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: I guess, yeah yeah, and like a detective. But she
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: could also be like therapists, all just depending on like
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: her chips being swapped, and like she articulates it so well,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: like or Barnes articulates it so well to like showcase
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: the different personalities that you get when a chip is switched.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Because that was there was a moment where she she
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: does turn into like it was it was the it
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: was the prostitute, but also the detective, like going back
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: and forth because like at one point she does tell
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Mece like, oh, pay me and.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: I'll keep your secrets.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I'll keep your secrets, and it's like, uh, oh okay,
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: I I it was. It was very awkward, very silly,
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: very fun. And again because we have this very like
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: put Mace in a box prior to this book, we
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: expect Mace to act a certain way, yeah, when confronted
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: with this type of scenario. And again, this book broke
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: down all of his walls and all of his barriers
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: of who he is as a character. And it's like, hey,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: let's reconstruct the way we as readers and fans think
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: about Mace and.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: That all takes place in forty seven, which is like,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: by far my favorite chapter because getting into that navy
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: purty without being overwhelming takes major skill.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I am going to spoil this one thing, not in
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: the details, but an overall we get to see or
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: at least know a bit of Mace's past prior to
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: being a I'm like, that is very interesting. The only
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: thing that I personally don't like about these character breakdowns
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: in a universe that is unfortunately built in a way
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: where we have to go back and write these stories
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: and move forward and write these stories and go in
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: between these little stories and do all this is like
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I said, we have an idea of who Maces in
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: episode one, we get the stories of the Clone Wars,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: we see him in episode two, he's you know, meets
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: his demise in episode three. But like with this story
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: in particular, I like, I read it and I go,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: where was a little bit of this humanity? And I
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: and I understand where because you have to remember from
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: this moment, this teachable moment that Mace is getting throughout
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the glass Abyss. He's thrusted right into war with Wars
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: right not immediately, not immediately, but from the moments that
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: we see him at from Glass Abyss to the next
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: time we see him, like we're in the midst of war,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and so that's going to change a man.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: And yes it does, because I do agree in some sense, like, Okay,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: if Anakin had popped up and said, Palpatine is this
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: person I've been doing this and like having a relationship
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: with Padme like we married whole thing, would Mace have
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: had a different reaction than just Palpatine's sibrd, Like could
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: he be a little more careful? But I will say
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: in the back half of the book, after chapter forty seven,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Mace has to separate the Jedi versus the general that
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: he's become, and it kind of goes into that, and
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I think Barnes did that intentionally to showcase why we
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: don't get as much humanity from Mace in the Clone
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Wars attack the Clones and because of that.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: And that's why I kind of like, I love it
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: and I hate it, because hey, we can show you
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: this this window of where Mace becomes this beautiful individual
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: and Glass of thisss and you're just like WHOA, Like,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: oh my god, But we know in the back of
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: her head, like he's gonna be a jerk to Anakin
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: for the rest of his life. And then of course
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: he dies in episode three, and in my mind, I'm
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: just like I want more of this Mace. I want
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: him here, and like there's the whole theory, and even
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: like freaking Samuel Jackson is like, oh yeah, like nobody
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: said he hasn't officially died, blah blah blah blah blah blah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know if I ever want to
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: see like, a oh, Mace Window survived and he's been
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: in hiding this entire time type of story. I think
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: it could be fun, but only if we see this
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: space if if we if I find out that Mace survived,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: he only has one hand. He's had to go underground
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: and really just like survive all of Darth Vader and
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: all of this other stuff. But he goes back in
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: references this time that he like went on that one
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: mission because of Qui gon Jin and all of this
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: other stuff, and because of the way the Empire has
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: now taken over the galaxy, he has to humble himself
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: and do all of this. I think that would be
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: a way to go, but like, like Barnes has changed
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: the way I look at Mace, and I think that
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: was his goal. Yep, and it's it's great, Like, I
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I love this book. I think it's a very very
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: interesting character study for who Mace is and who like
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: And you're asking all the right questions, Katie, and the
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: idea of like, of course it is the way it
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: is because the movie has gone in past. We can't
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: change that. But if Anakin had gone and said, hey,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: this is the entire story instead of just saying Palpatine
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: has a seth lord, let's do this, like it's like
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: chill out, Anakin. Like, if you were to have gone
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: a completely different direction with it, I think Mace probably
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: would have had a little bit more grace, and then
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: we would have seen a completely different story.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: And we're about to jump into our third ad. Y'all.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: We promised. We'll be right back. We promise. Because and
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: I don't I don't want to spoil this part of
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: the book because I loved the moments between Ken Shawn
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: and Mace. But I think with those moments, if Anakin
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: ahead chosen to tell the full story at any point,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Mace would have still told him Okay, you're done in
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: the Jedi order kind of thing, but like he would
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: have been able to do it a little more gracefully,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: and perhaps Palpatine wouldn't have had the issue.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's a great story. I will say
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: this also because at the time of us dropping this episode, we.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: All were first is when we were supposed to be
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: dropping it.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, we are two weeks away from New York Comic Con.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: They have a special edition book cover with pen that
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: half of my office. I told Katie this my office
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: because I'm new I can't go yet, but half my
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: office is going to New York Comic Con. I am
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: getting one of my coworkers to get me one of
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: these copies. I'm going to try to get one for
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Katie as well. This book looks gorgeous. It is amazing
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: artwork on this cover.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: It's done by the same artist who did the Essential
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Legends collection covers for Darth Vaine. Oh, it just looks badass.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, the original artwork for like
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: the main cover is awesome.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: I love both covers. I'm going to be getting my
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Amazon copy sure, but this New York Comic Con one,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I was like so but yeah, we uh just wanted
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: to let you guys know about that, just an opportunity
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: to see if you guys can you know nab one.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: But yeah, this was this was a great novel.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: We got to talk about one thing though. This is
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: in the Indian chapter, but it's not really like a spoiler.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: But so the final chapter, Mace is kind of recounting
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: what he's learned on Matago's to Yoda in Yoda's chambers,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: and we get a little sneak peek into Yoda's past
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: because there is Oh my gosh, I gotta pull it up.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I'm bringing it up also because I knew exactly where
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: you were going.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, that's too much, Okay, Hang on notes and highlights.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: It said Yoda was a bit slippery about his early days,
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: but rumor had it that one of his early instructors
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: was Nakata del Gormo, said to have been a Hislaurian.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Because there is he like Mace is talking about Yoda's
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: living space being modest and a hidden dwelling with few decorations,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: and the one exception was a sand sculpture of a
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: star system he recognized as Hilsaria.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Like, okay, getting a Young Yoda novel announcement soon?
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I hope so like Yoda has been
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: so secretive. I don't know if we will though, because
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I think Filoni is going to want to continue going
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: into Yoda's past or like the species with Grogu.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: So ah, okay, So I just wanted to double check
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: the look of the species. Somebody has already updated the
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Pedia page for this. By the way, Islarians were species
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: of forearmed, four eyed semi serpentine individuals who hailed from
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: swamp worlds and Uhlaria one of their one of their number.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: And then it says the master mentioned Nikata del Gormo
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: trained eventual Jedi Master Yoda in the Ways of the Force.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: So it's not been updated. This is actually a Legends
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: detail that is being included into Cannon.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Oh you can tell please.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: So Clay ish sharing the page on Wikipedia. So scroll
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: up so you see the Legends banner at the top.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: So that's how you know that this is Legends and
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: not Canon because I looked up the same thing. But
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: that's very interesting that they have agreed to bring that
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: back into Cannon.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: You I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, you can't tell me
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: otherwise if they decided to throw this back into cannon,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I think I don't think we will get in animated
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: form or in live action anywhere on Disney Plus or
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: even it. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nope.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, uh, James bandfold Nope, not even
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: gonna go there, No.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: No no, because James Bold movie is twenty five thousand years.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah as way too way too far. I'm I'm gonna
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: go ahead. I'm gonna put my bet on a novel, okay,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to give it a one year timeline
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: from from the time this episode drops, so that'll be
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: October first. I have until October first of twenty twenty
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: five to say, Okay, no, they're not going to do
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: it or Lucasfilm Publishing to drop any type of news.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: But I'm I'm gonna go ahead and say yes, I.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Will give you to New York Comic Con. What well,
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: that's about what the same time perrame, But I'm giving
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: you another announcement period.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: You're you're giving me an extra three weeks. Okay. Yeah,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: for a second, I thought you meant New York Comic
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Con this year. I was like two weeks really no,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: but I I love this giving more background into such
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: a like because again you said, like I'm very surprised
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: that they decided that to make this canon, Like touching
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: on Yoda's history is like a big no no, like
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: you can't go into those Yeah, it's it's the it's
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: the one secret of Star Wars. God, I hope so
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: it's it's one thing. I think it's the one thing
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: everyone wants, no matter what type of Star Wars fan
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: you are. No, because I think that's why Mandalorian broke
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: the Internet was the fact that we got to see
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: another one of Yoda's species, cheese that wasn't Yoda or Yeatto.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: It's just like, holy crap, Like there's more of them.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: How why where like getting to be more into that?
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I think it would be great. I want more of it.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you could necessarily cover Yoda in
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: a book though, even the early timeframe, like if you said, like, Okay,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: this is how he found out he was a Jedi
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: or he was for sensitive, because that's what like, that's
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at Yoda's Legends article on Wikipedia and it
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: says his path towards the Jedi began when he left
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: his home planet with a human friend who also did
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: not know he was for sensitive so like, and then
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: they met Master Gormo and that's when they both got trained.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if you could cover that to
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: an extent, I would prefer like an animated series. I
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: think you could do a lot with an animated series
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: talking about Yoda.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Ooh, tales of Yoda.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Tales of Yoda, I can see it.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: That would be fun. That would genuinely be fun, Like
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: if we because Tales of the Jedi, Tales of the Empire,
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: like We've gotten to see like has been very successful
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: in the idea of like getting to know the in betweens,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: but also pushing the narrative forward. Like I think it
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: would be very interesting to be able to tell the
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: story in these small little pockets of Yoda's life but
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: still leave it off at the end, to be able
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: to push the narrative forward with where like Grogu's gonna
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: go hmm, that would be fun.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, guys, We'll see what happens.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: So Clay upcoming next stuff. So this episode is dropping
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: at the same time as our Phase three Wave one discussion,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: So if you're listening to this episode first, you can
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: go back and find that. For our High Republic Talks
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: next week, we will be talking about Tears of the Nameless,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: which I am excited for and also dreading at the
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: same time question Mark, So yeah, we'll see what happens.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: But Clay, where can they find you?
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Of course you can always find me at Fanboy Clay
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: on Twitter and any and all social media. The weekend
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: that we are actually recording this was my daughter's birthday party,
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: so I am pretty drained and also like trying to
• 55:52
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• 55:54
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• 55:58
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• 56:01
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• 56:04
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• 56:12
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• 56:15
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• 56:19
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• 56:22
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• 56:27
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• 56:30
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• 56:35
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• 56:39
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• 56:42
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• 56:46
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• 56:48
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• 56:54
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