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The Late Debate | 17 December · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Lake to Bads.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the late Debate. I'm Frey Leach, joined by
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  Speaker 2: Jamie Rodgers and Joe Hildebrand. Coming up tonight, a supposed
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  Speaker 2: expert in mass shootings says we shouldn't report on the
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  Speaker 2: reason for the Bondai shooting. It is truly incredible what
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  Speaker 2: experts manage to come up with these days. Also, Chris
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  Speaker 2: Mins will recall Parliament to push through new laws around
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  Speaker 2: guns and protests, and he says that's just the price
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  Speaker 2: of multi culturalism. In the papers, get ready for more
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  Speaker 2: government spending on NDIS and childcare as Jim Chalmers MAIFO
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  Speaker 2: shows the grim reality of our nation's finances. But first,
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  Speaker 2: Laura Tinkle, the Global Affairs editor at the ABC, made
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  Speaker 2: an extraordinary claim. She said the attack at Bondai, which
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  Speaker 2: killed fifteen innocent Jews, apparently wasn't religiously motivated.
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  Speaker 3: And we should be very clear that terrorists, which is
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  Speaker 3: what these two men were, got nothing to do with
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  Speaker 3: religion and absolutely a radicalized these work that were targeting Jews.
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  Speaker 3: It is anti Semitic, but we are ascribing all sorts
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  Speaker 3: of things right. Their actions are not based on their religion.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing to do with religion. That is in direct contradiction
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  Speaker 2: to the charges that have been laid against Navid Akram.
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  Speaker 2: The charges allege that the man engaged in conduct that
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  Speaker 2: caused death, serious injury and endangered life to advance a
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  Speaker 2: religious cause and cause fear in the community. Early indications
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  Speaker 2: point to a terrorist attack inspired by Isis, a listed
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  Speaker 2: terrorist organization in Australia. It is abundantly clear that this
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  Speaker 2: attack was motivated by rad Islam. Why is Laura Tingle
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  Speaker 2: unable to get herself to say those words? And how
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  Speaker 2: can she claim to be objective and impartial when she
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  Speaker 2: just made a bias and erroneous claim about the worst
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  Speaker 2: act of religiously motivated terrorism in our nation's history. It's disgraceful.
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  Speaker 2: But there's more madness with academic Glenn Greensmith, an apparent
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  Speaker 2: expert in mass shootings. Well, he said, we shouldn't report
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  Speaker 2: on the motives for mass shootings.
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  Speaker 4: Fit the right to be heard. I don't care why
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  Speaker 4: you say you did it.
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  Speaker 1: I do not care.
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  Speaker 4: And if we search too hard for that, and what
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  Speaker 4: we tend to want to then do is say, Well,
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  Speaker 4: here's all the manifestos, here's the diaries, here's their Facebook posts.
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  Speaker 1: Here's every pathetic.
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  Speaker 4: Screed they've ever written in our search to help you
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  Speaker 4: understand why this happened. Then you've done their job.
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  Speaker 2: For okay, And now I get the concern guys Jamie
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  Speaker 2: Joe about not wanting to turn these terrorists into martyrs.
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  Speaker 2: And the risk is if you, you know, we saw
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  Speaker 2: this with Luigi Mangioni, you publish this whole manifesto, all
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  Speaker 2: the widows on the Internet start worshiping these people. However,
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  Speaker 2: it's to me pretty clear that the public's right to
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  Speaker 2: know what caused the largest attack on Jews outside of
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  Speaker 2: Israel in decades. I think that rights to know trumps
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  Speaker 2: any whatever this academic's bizarre theory is about martyrdom for
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  Speaker 2: mass shooters.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think there's a difference between There's a
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  Speaker 5: difference between someone like the Unibama or Martin Bryant, for example,
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  Speaker 5: who goes and commits a horrible, unthinkable atrocity for just
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  Speaker 5: insane reasons that are fairly particular to them. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't understand what this guy's saying. I
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  Speaker 5: think patently ridiculous in this case and absurd, which will
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  Speaker 5: get But you know, if you go to Port Arthur.
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  Speaker 5: For example, the memorial does not even name Martin Bryant
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  Speaker 5: because it is all about those who died, and they
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  Speaker 5: do not They want to sort of erase him from history.
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  Speaker 5: In that place, which is, you know, which has a
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  Speaker 5: sort of sacred quality to it. It's incredibly moving if
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  Speaker 5: you go there. But does that mean that nobody should
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  Speaker 5: know the name of Martin Bryant or know who it
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  Speaker 5: was that killed these people? So again, you can make
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  Speaker 5: these kind of I suppose, stylistic decisions, or if you're
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  Speaker 5: dealing with the family and you're not wanting to upset them,
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  Speaker 5: and media organizations do that all the time. But the
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  Speaker 5: idea that you would just say, well, you know, we
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  Speaker 5: found this manifesto that this person has left next to
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  Speaker 5: the dead bodies of all of his victims, and we're
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  Speaker 5: not going to tell you what it is because it's
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  Speaker 5: not important and you don't need to know. And look,
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  Speaker 5: it's possible that you know that that may create you know,
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  Speaker 5: copycat killers, but to be honest, I think they're probably
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  Speaker 5: going to do it anyway. The other thing, but the
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  Speaker 5: other thing is that that is entirely different. So that
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  Speaker 5: sort of random mash that we see all the time,
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  Speaker 5: and all too often in the US. That is entirely
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  Speaker 5: different to what happened at Bondi. This was a shooting
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  Speaker 5: that followed to the letter a pattern of attacks. One
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  Speaker 5: of the terrorists even had the ISIS flag. We know
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  Speaker 5: that they trained in an ISIS aligned institution in the Philippines.
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  Speaker 5: We know that they were we find out just how much,
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  Speaker 5: but we know that they were indoctrinated with the same extremist,
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  Speaker 5: radical Islamic ideology that fueled ISIS itself, that fuelled al Qaeder,
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  Speaker 5: that fueled Boko Haram. This is a pattern that happened there, right,
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  Speaker 5: And so if you're if you're not telling anyone why
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  Speaker 5: they're doing this, then you're basically saying that this huge
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  Speaker 5: pattern of death that is spreading like an ink stain
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  Speaker 5: across the world, you're just telling people, no, don't worry
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  Speaker 5: about it, don't look at it. That's fine, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's that is just a.
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  Speaker 6: Willfully that people do know why someone goes out and
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  Speaker 6: commits a mass shooting or.
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  Speaker 7: A violent crime.
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  Speaker 6: Also so that there's answers, because a lot of people
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  Speaker 6: want to know what drove someone to go and commit
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  Speaker 6: an atrocity like that, and to talk about Laura Tingle,
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  Speaker 6: you just wonder when the ABC will step in and
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  Speaker 6: stop the activist journalism. And what's really frustrating about those
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  Speaker 6: comments is this podcast was literally out just a few
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  Speaker 6: hours after that daughter of the victim of one of
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  Speaker 6: the from Bondai, where she spoke to the ABC presenters
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  Speaker 6: and actually said on air stop the bias coming out
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  Speaker 6: of the ABC, and then a few hours later this
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  Speaker 6: was then said on this podcast.
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  Speaker 5: It is just emblematic of just the complete isolated bubble
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  Speaker 5: that I think so many of the kind of so
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  Speaker 5: called intelligence here live in.
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  Speaker 1: Where I mean.
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  Speaker 5: This is someone who diagnosed that Australia was a racist country,
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  Speaker 5: imagining something in her head in which Peter Dutton went
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  Speaker 5: to an auction and its people thought they weren't getting
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  Speaker 5: their house because of Chinese people. This was an entirely
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  Speaker 5: fictitious scene that she imagined her head, which she used
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  Speaker 5: as the basis of deciding that Australians were all racist.
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  Speaker 5: And yet you have, you know, fifteen dead Jews killed by.
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  Speaker 2: How did'st conclusion exactly? The ABC is complicit alongside the
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  Speaker 2: Labor government in allowing this toxic climate of anti Semitism
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  Speaker 2: to fester, peddling her mass lies all too readily. But
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  Speaker 2: it's interesting on the point around trying to claim that
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  Speaker 2: Islamic extremism is not actually religiously motivated, because just it's
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  Speaker 2: actually About three weeks ago, the Australian Human Rights Commission
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  Speaker 2: and the Australian Muslim Advocacy Network both wrote submissions to
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  Speaker 2: change the definition of terrorism to remove religious motivation as
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  Speaker 2: a motive for terrorism, and they wanted to just shift
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  Speaker 2: it to ideological because they claimed that that stigmatizes their religion, Islam.
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  Speaker 1: But we have no other religions are applying to that exemption.
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  Speaker 2: We have to be able to call things out and
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  Speaker 2: whether it is extremism that has.
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  Speaker 5: To be dealt the sake of Islam itself, for the
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  Speaker 5: sake of the vast majority of Muslims, you actually have
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  Speaker 5: to be able to say, look, this is the bad stuff,
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  Speaker 5: and this is what you cannot be sucked in by.
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  Speaker 5: And this is where people are taking your religion and
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  Speaker 5: spinning it, either taking it out of context or often
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  Speaker 5: just taking it too literally, which is where you get
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  Speaker 5: the term fundamentalism from. And this is what you cannot
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  Speaker 5: be Here is how not to be a terrorism if
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  Speaker 5: you just say, I don't worry, it has nothing to
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  Speaker 5: do with Islam. And again it's the same thing, you know,
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  Speaker 5: if a white supremacist Christian, you know, kill per and
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  Speaker 5: and again we saw the people killing the Mosca and
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  Speaker 5: New Zealand, which seemed to be trying to hark back
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  Speaker 5: to some golden age of white Christian Western civilization, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and we know that, you know, some white supremacists use
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  Speaker 5: the terminology and the imagery of the Crusades to do it. Now,
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  Speaker 5: if you're not going to identify that as being problematic,
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  Speaker 5: you know, if you're just not going to talk about
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  Speaker 5: why people are.
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  Speaker 1: Doing things, they're going to keep doing them.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we've been lacking some strong leadership throughout the past
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  Speaker 6: two years during this anti Semitism increase in our country.
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  Speaker 6: But there was one person that spoke incredibly well today
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  Speaker 6: at the Bondi Memorial and that was the former treasurer
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  Speaker 6: in Josh Friedenberg. As a Jewish man, he stood there
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  Speaker 6: and spoke so powerfully, so strongly, and has caught on
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  Speaker 6: the Albanese government to take stronger action to protect the
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  Speaker 6: Jewish community and take a listen here where he is
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  Speaker 6: basically said, Albo has allowed radicalization in this country.
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  Speaker 8: Our prime star, our government has allowed Australia to be
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  Speaker 8: radicalized on his watch. It's time for him to accept
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  Speaker 8: personal responsibility for the death of fifteen innocent people, including
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  Speaker 8: a ten year old child.
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  Speaker 6: Now Josh stood there and spoke for what felt like
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  Speaker 6: twenty or so minutes. He had been there, as he said,
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  Speaker 6: to mourn, but to also warn about what would happen
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  Speaker 6: if anti Semitism wasn't tackled within this country.
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  Speaker 7: And I think Joe.
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  Speaker 6: We can really see though that the pressure is building
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  Speaker 6: on the Albanese government. He has not Albo has not
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  Speaker 6: stepped foot back in Bondi since Monday morning. He wasn't
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  Speaker 6: at the funeral today, which is where Josh was speaking
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  Speaker 6: after coming out of there. I just think we need
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  Speaker 6: to start seeing some strong leadership coming out of this
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  Speaker 6: Albanzi government. And when you see scenes like that with Josh,
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  Speaker 6: and we will talk about it in a minute about
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  Speaker 6: potential return of politics, but the country is crying out
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  Speaker 6: for strong leadership and Albo is just nowhere to be seen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Look, I think you're I think you're right. It's a
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  Speaker 5: difficult thing for him. I think he knows that there's
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  Speaker 5: frustration in the community there.
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  Speaker 2: I think he suspects that frustration live it.
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  Speaker 5: I guess, you know, would he going to the funeral
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  Speaker 5: when people feel like that actually be more of a
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  Speaker 5: disruption antagonized?
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  Speaker 2: I think the reason he doesn't want to go is
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  Speaker 2: because when Tony Burke went to the memorial site, he
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  Speaker 2: was heckled. If alban Easy rocked up at one of
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  Speaker 2: these funerals, he would be heckled, but he should be,
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's what that'd be better for the
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  Speaker 2: grievers with that. Well, yeah, because.
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  Speaker 6: Here, if you still that's what strong leadership's about, is
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  Speaker 6: that you're walking into something where you know people are
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  Speaker 6: angry and they're hurting, and they're mad at you and
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  Speaker 6: potentially your decisions that you have done. By walking in
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  Speaker 6: there and showing I stand with you. Yes, I might
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  Speaker 6: have made some mistakes, but I'm here to show my
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  Speaker 6: support and I'm not being there makes it worse. The
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  Speaker 6: reality is I feel like at this point nothing is
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  Speaker 6: going to save him in this situation.
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  Speaker 2: It's already a done deal. So it's just how does
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  Speaker 2: he want to go down? Does he want to be
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  Speaker 2: the guy that's too scared to front up to the
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  Speaker 2: community that he's abandoned, or does he want to toughen
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  Speaker 2: up and actually copy this.
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  Speaker 5: This is what I mean when he's when I say,
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  Speaker 5: he's damned if he does, he's damned if he doesn't.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if people say, you know, he's not doing enough,
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  Speaker 5: but there's nothing you can do because you know your alreadiences.
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  Speaker 5: And again I think the government could have been much, much,
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  Speaker 5: much stronger on anti Semitism. I certainly always have been unequivocal,
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  Speaker 5: because if you know your history, you know where this
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  Speaker 5: can lead. And you know also that anti Semitism is
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  Speaker 5: not the same as other forms of racism. It's not
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  Speaker 5: the same as Islamophobia. It is very, very specific. It
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  Speaker 5: has been evoked throughout history consistently for millennia, and it
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  Speaker 5: has resulted in the worst mass murder, the worst of
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  Speaker 5: human beings ever on planet Earth, just last century, and
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  Speaker 5: so I think it does deserve special attention, and frankly,
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  Speaker 5: that's why Israel. One of the reasons Israel needs to
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  Speaker 5: be able to exist, because there needs to be a
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  Speaker 5: safe haven for people who have been chased out, killed,
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  Speaker 5: in exiled, executed in countries where they have not had
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  Speaker 5: any representation or have not had any access to the
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  Speaker 5: rule of law. I do think though that you know,
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  Speaker 5: saying that you know Alberanzi has blood on his hands
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  Speaker 5: or whatever, I think I don't support that rhetoric. I
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  Speaker 5: like Josh Ryden Beer like he is a friend of mine.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we talk about anti Semitism all the time.
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  Speaker 1: He is.
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  Speaker 5: This is something he is really really laser focused on.
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  Speaker 5: It is not him playing politics as the ABC again
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  Speaker 5: not reading the room rather disgracefully suggested. But to say
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  Speaker 5: that this terror attack is the fault of Anthony Alberzi,
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  Speaker 5: I think is too much to put on one man.
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  Speaker 5: This happened on a lot of people's watches. People support
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  Speaker 5: Chris min And as do I I love Chrismians. This
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  Speaker 5: happened on his watch too. You know, It's happened in
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  Speaker 5: the US under Donald Trump's watch, It's happened in Israel
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  Speaker 5: October seven, happened in Israel under net and Yahoo.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I think people are just frustrated.
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  Speaker 1: I think people are frustrated.
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  Speaker 7: He hasn't done any It's really fair enough.
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  Speaker 6: And Shari Markson did ask Josh Fridenberg and said, look,
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  Speaker 6: you're standing here, I need to ask the question, are
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  Speaker 6: we going to see you return to politics?
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  Speaker 7: This is what he had to say.
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  Speaker 8: My position hasn't changed. I've left the door open, but
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  Speaker 8: I'm not making any decisions at this point in time.
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  Speaker 8: I don't care what your political persuasion is when it
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  Speaker 8: comes to my personal security. I don't care what your
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  Speaker 8: religion is when it comes to my personal security. You
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  Speaker 8: can be Calithumpian for all I care. All I want
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  Speaker 8: you to be is morally upright.
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  Speaker 6: One thing that does stand out when we watched him
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  Speaker 6: is I could see him running again in twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 7: I really hope that we do see him well.
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  Speaker 6: Andrew Canell did say on Sky earlier today that all
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  Speaker 6: of his sources said, Josh wall Be.
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  Speaker 5: Makes he will run in twenty twenty eight. I have
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  Speaker 5: been saying that since before Sunday happened, and now that
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  Speaker 5: is happening, I think he will see it as his
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  Speaker 5: even if he wasn't going to before, which he was,
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  Speaker 5: I think he will see it as his duty to
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  Speaker 5: sort of run again, just so it can play a
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  Speaker 5: leading role in stopping this. On top of all the
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  Speaker 5: other reasons why I've always thought he was going to
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  Speaker 5: run again.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there are less than two thousand votes in it.
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  Speaker 2: In Kuyong, that was the amount of votes that Emilia
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  Speaker 2: Hamer lost by. One of the barriers to him running
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  Speaker 2: was Amelia Hamer potentially wanting to recontest, but she's now
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  Speaker 2: been pre selected for the state seat of Malvern, so
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  Speaker 2: she's out of the way. The path for Fridenburg to
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  Speaker 2: make a comeback is open and frankly, I think the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party needs someone of his caliber, with his experience
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  Speaker 2: and his leadership who can actually steer the party and
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  Speaker 2: I think if he can come in at the next election,
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  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party will be stronger before it. But speaking
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  Speaker 2: of leadership, Chris Mints has come out and taken some
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  Speaker 2: pretty decisive action. He's going to recall the new South
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  Speaker 2: Wales State Parliament, which is technically now on its summer break,
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  Speaker 2: but they're going to be coming back to vote on
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  Speaker 2: new laws around protests and gun restrictions. Have a look.
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  Speaker 9: We're looking at reforms whereby when there is a terrorism
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  Speaker 9: designation in the state, the Police Commissioner may not accept
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  Speaker 9: applications for protests on the grounds that it will both
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  Speaker 9: stretch police resources and secondly add to community disharmony.
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  Speaker 2: Now I think that is a good idea Generally, when
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  Speaker 2: you do have a terrorist incident that's just occurred, the
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  Speaker 2: last thing you want right now, a massive pro Palestine
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  Speaker 2: march is happening, because it will become a riot. People
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  Speaker 2: will not tolerate that. However, you got to ask, why
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  Speaker 2: are these laws that are increasingly draconian around guns, around protests,
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  Speaker 2: around speech? Why are they necessary in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: Surely we're a nation of good people. Can't we just
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  Speaker 2: self regulate? Well, apparently not have a listen to Chrismins.
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  Speaker 9: We have a wonderful community in Australia, we really do.
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  Speaker 9: Multicultural Australia is something that I believe in. But the
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  Speaker 9: truth of the matter is you need strict rules in
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  Speaker 9: place to ensure that our society is successful.
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  Speaker 2: This is not the first time Chrismins has made that claim.
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  Speaker 2: We're a multicultural society and the price we have to
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  Speaker 2: pay to keep this multicultural society from crumbling is greater
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  Speaker 2: infringements on our freedom through more and more laws. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I would say, if we have to keep adding laws
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  Speaker 2: to keep our multicultural society together, maybe it hasn't been
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  Speaker 2: that successful.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we've always been told, haven't we that multiculturalism is
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  Speaker 6: what makes us strong, but when you delve deeper into it,
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  Speaker 6: it does look as though that's what's now leading to
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  Speaker 6: us losing a lot of our freedoms. I do think
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  Speaker 6: that when we're I think the one thing we need
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  Speaker 6: to look at, and to your point, Joe Chrismans is
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  Speaker 6: trying something. So he's getting up there and he's trying something,
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  Speaker 6: and I do appreciate the fact that he's going to
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  Speaker 6: be bringing back the Parliament next week to be able
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  Speaker 6: to get things moving, which is what there's calls that
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  Speaker 6: Albot should be doing on a federal level. I think
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  Speaker 6: what we need to still be examining though, is yes,
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  Speaker 6: gun laws need to be stricter in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 6: We spoke about it on the show last night, about
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  Speaker 6: the sheer volume of guns that people have that are
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  Speaker 6: living within inner city seats. There's definitely an issue with
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  Speaker 6: some of those marches that we've been seeing. They've been
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: viling with hate, they've been doing the flags with Isis
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: flags and her mask sympathizers, so there's an issue there too.
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: I think though the crux of the problem is still
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: we're not talking enough about how to address anti Semitism
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: and that there is.
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: The issue that we really need to be delving into.
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: I don't want that to get lost in amongst discussion
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: of gun reform and laws around different protests. I think
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: we need to just be focusing on immigration and who
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: we bring in to make sure that we're not bringing
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: in people that are filled with hate, or if you
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: are here and you are spreading hate, then.
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: It's time for you to leave.
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: And I think we need to be really honing in
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: on anyone that's spreading or the hate preachers anything like that.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: It's time to be strong in that area and stop that.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: And then gun control and those can be a little
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: bit further down the list of priorities of what I mean.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: To be honest, I think that's what he's doing.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, we've had people on the right, particularly saying
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: we need to ban these protests, which again normally these
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: people saying you can't ban free speech, but we've obviously
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: hit that sort of tipping point where people like Tony
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Abbott are saying that we've just got to ban them.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: And clearly there have been times when these protesters were
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: horrifically in the most ugly possible way, you know, insensitive
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: doesn't even begin to cover it.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: But you know, grossly out ages towards.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: You know, the Jewish community when they were morning on
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: the anniversary of October seven, they wanted to have a
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: protest on the anniversary Dal, I mean, what a bunch
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: of pigs.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: This So, what I think he's done has come up
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: with quite an elegant way for the government to be
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: able to say, right, we're going to have the power
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: to say on special occasions like this or when things
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: are particularly volatile in the wake of a terrorist act, no,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: you can't do that.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: This time.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: We put community cohesion, for which he means the safety
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: of Jewish Australians ahead of your right to free speech
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: or whatever else it is. And I agree that people
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of people on the left for whom
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: it's much more convenient to talk about, you know, gun
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: control than it is to talk about anti Semitism, because
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: you know, a while ago they might have been chanting
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: free Palestine themselves.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: So that is a handy wheeze.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: But also, does someone living in the suburbs of Sydney
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: actually need a firearms license like this guy had? Clearly not,
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: So I think you can sort of walk into gum
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: at the same time. The last thing I'll say is
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: that I think a lot of people are talking about
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: multiculturalism because they don't have the balls to talk about Islam.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: And I think they are using that as a cipher
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: for them having a problem with Muslims being in Australia.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: And again I think we have to have the guts
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: to have that debate. But what we are talking about here,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: we're not talking about Indians, you know, we're not talking
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: about terrorist attacks in Harris Park being committed by Hindu nationalists,
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: although in back in India has happened. But so I
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: think that is why, and again that's why we can't
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: gloss over these That's why we have to very specifically
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: say this is the product of a specific strand of
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: radical Islam that is toxic, that is evil, that is murderous,
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: that cannot be excused, cannot be allowed to fester, it
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: cannot be spread in our communities.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: And the most.
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: Important people that stopping that cancer will save are the
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: Muslims because it means they get to continue lives in
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Australia without being contaminated by these horrific people. Either isis
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: sending things you know, through social media and feeding into
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: their brains that way, or the hate preachers in Southwest City,
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: And yes, why not if there's an incitement to violence,
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: should they not be deported?
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: But I guess the challenge is there are some cultures
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: and some specific ideologies, like radical Islam, that have a
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: higher propensity.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I haven't heard anyone mentioned the second one.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: The second one.
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Again, don't lump all migrants into that basket, and don't
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: lump all Muslims in basket. Talk about that one specific
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: deadly radical element that we have to eradicate. Anyway, Having
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: said all that, let's go to counter terrorism, because one
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: way we're not going to eradicate it is if we
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: keep cutting all the anti terrorist experts who are trying
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: to well the clues in the name stop the terrorists.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: We've just found out that ASIO has had what's been
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: known as a multimillion dollar quote wedding exodus, with a
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: whole range of senior staff made redundant, and experts say
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: this has stripped the organization of decades worth of post
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: nine to eleven counter terrorist experience, and they were ushering
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: out the doors just months after the news spy chief
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Mike Burgess, who I think has actually been quite impressive,
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: But he is clearly not a man to be trifled
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: with because just after he arrived, a lot of these
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: more senior people have been showing the doors. So is
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: it just cost cutting? Is it generational change? And does
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: this mean because we know that one of these guys
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: was on the watch list for Asia, does this mean
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: that maybe we drop Bore.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I think that there are serious questions that have to
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: be answered around our intelligence capabilities. Are we doing enough
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: to track these individuals of concern? Obviously, Navid Akram was
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: watched by ASIO, He was interviewed years before his father's
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: gun license was approved. What kind of coward nation is
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: actually happening, if any at all, between ASIO and the
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: state based agencies that are providing gun licenses. Clearly there
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: are breakdowns in the system somewhere along the way that
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: are occurring, and the people that left. So ten senior
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: ASIO execs were sacked in a single day, six months
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: after Mike Burgess came into the role, and many of
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: those apparently had nine to eleven experience. They were involved
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: in the counter terrorism activities in the two thousands. You
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: can't help, but think when you lose that many senior
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: people there presumably would be some sort of impact and
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: if not, that's fine. But clearly ASIO has failed in
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: other ways given this attack occurred at all.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: And also what was the most important lesson out of
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: nine to eleven in terms of intelligence gathering that the
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: addressies weren't talking to each other.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: So hopefully if one of those people.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: Had been around, they would have sayd hey, guys, are
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: we making sure we're cross referencing all our watch list
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: with the new South Wales Police Firearms database?
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: Because well, Mike Burgess flagged with the government eighteen months
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: ago that their resources were severely stretched, and they did
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: say in this article, oh, but have you asked the
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: government for money? And he did say, look, I'm not
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: going to say that out in public, but it's the
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: Albanezi government's responsibility to ensure that ASIO has the resources
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: that are needed to ensure they can meet these security challenges.
• 25:24
  Speaker 6: And to your point, there certainly has been an intelligence
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: breakdown that somewhere, because if you've been flagged on asio's
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: watch list, but then it's not picked up that you
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: travel to the Philippines, which is a known isis hotspot.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: And then the fact that your father has been able
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: to have six registered gun licenses. It's all done that
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: through proper means, but that he's living in the home
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: with his father as well. All of those should have
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: been picked up somewhere along the line, and the fact
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: that it didn't shows that there is a gap somewhere.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: And also the fact that our terror threat level had
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: been raised to probable. Mike Burgess had said anti Semitism
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: was the number one threat to loss of life in Australia.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Yet at an event of one thousand Jews on the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: first night of Hanneka in a iconic Australian site, there
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: were three police officers. What on earth was going on?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, even that is negligence, plain incompetence. When the
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: dust has settled, there needs to be some serious questions
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: asked about who is making these decisions. But let's move on.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: A lifeguard was being a former lifeguard was being interviewed
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: by a journalist for Channel nine when he tried to
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: read out the list of lifeguards who heroically sacrificed their
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: own safety to run towards danger and help people on Sunday,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: but he was cut off in a very awkward and
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: embarrassing moment to have a look.
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: There's more good people in the world than there are
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: bad people, and you can always take faith in that
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: and believe in that.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Leave it there just before we go.
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: I'd love to list the lifeguards who.
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: We don't have time for that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I'm really sorry, but no, thank.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: You so much for coming on, Ali, and I think
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: we'll just leave it there. There is hope and Bondai
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: will overcome.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I have second hand embarrassment. I have second embarrassment that
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: is just not.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: There.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: And she might have thought he was about to bring
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: up a list of one hundred names or something.
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: But it's just awful.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: She would watch that back though and feel feel terrible.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: And one of the lifeguards.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Honoring a hero, they want to read a list.
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: Just let one of them on that list was the
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: lifeguard that ran with the difiblerator from Tamarama to Bondi
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: and his thongs and and so it was those sort
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: of people that they wanted to recognize.
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: And there there was an incredible example of did you
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: hear about this? There was a Chinese man who was
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: out in the surf at Bondai saw the gun or
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: heard the unshot, saw what was happening, froze as you would,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: and suddenly couldn't swim anymore because he was frozen with
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: here and a lifeguard had to swim out and rescue
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: him and bring him back into the beach, all in
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: the middle of a live terror attack.
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's that's but it just shows that's the
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: heroism that we've been speaking about that comes from the darkness.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: But sadly, another Jewish business has been impacted by what
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: happened on Sunday, but more.
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: So over these past two years.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: This is a well known celebrity chef, his face on
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: Better Homes and Gardens.
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: Well, there you go, there's your claim to frame.
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: Joe ed hal Maggie has a Jewish bakery in Surrey
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: Hills that he has now closed the doors and he
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: has put a notice on the front door, and he
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: basically just said this is culminated to what happened on Sunday,
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: that we cannot have a business here anymore.
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: His shop in Reading. He said that five to six.
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: Days a week it's either got graffiti on it, vandalism.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: There's been human feasts thrown at it, hate letters, busted windows.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: Every single day they come to something, but ed he
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: did speak with Shari about why he ultimately decided to
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: close his doors.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: I can't guarantee my family, my staff, my customers, anyone
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: is safe anymore.
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: Isn't this just so sad?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: You know, it's just one thing after another for the
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Jewish community. There was the docks In incident, They're all
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: the calls to boycott Jewish businesses, and this is the
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: reality happening where they are closing their doors.
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: It's just got to stop.
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: Even after you've just had the worst mass killing of
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: Jews outside of Israel since the Holocaust, And isn't that
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: enough for you? Isn't that like that's not enough. You've
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: still got to keep up with the anti Semitism, still
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: got to keep up with the graffiti, the abuse that
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: it's just.
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: He said that currently a family drove past him and
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: the dad yelled out abuse to him after what had
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: happened on Sunday.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: It's just tragic. My grandmother was a German Jew who
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: grew up in Germany in the nineteen thirties, and her
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: family watched My great grandfather was Jewish but practiced medicine
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: with a gentile completely integrated into secular Frankfurt life. They
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: never thought ever in a million years that their family
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: would be sent to gas chambers and would be murdered.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: But over the nineteen thirties, slowly but surely, there was
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: this rise in hatred these businesses. You started to get boycotted.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: It was the normalization of casual anti Semitism all of
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: a sudden, it reached a climax in the Holocaust. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: when I look at that and I see these businesses,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: we're becoming a ghetto wised country where Jewish businesses can
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: only survive in Jewish areas because it is that unsafe
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: for them. This is reminiscent of nineteen thirty's Europe. Even
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: after a massacre, you would think this is the time
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: to show decency, to make a special trip to a
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Jewish bakery just to show some support. But that is
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: not what's happening, and it is it's very painful to watch.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: Can I just say, I actually did Google to see
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: what other Jewish businesses were around there and locks in
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: a box and we're going to do the call out
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: because they're another bakery that has been absolutely slammed with
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: online hate, online poor reviews, and they have put out
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: a call and just said, we really need to have
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: people come in here and have a pleasant experience and
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: to actually write nice stuff about us. And so I thought,
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: you know what, I'm going to go over there and
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: support them, because that's what we all need to be doing,
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: is supporting and getting behind.
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: These Jewish businesses.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Exactly right well over in the US. Another example of
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: just how normalized anti Semitism has become. A young woman
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: was ordering pajamas for her boyfriend for hannaka the star
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: of David on them, the Menora. She was ordering these
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: from the department store Bloomingdale's. When they arrived, they had
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: a note in the package saying free Palestine. How on
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: earth you get from Jewish pajamas to free Palestine? Well,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I know how you do. It's called being anti Semitic.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: But what I find interesting about this is for two
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: years we've been told by the Free Palestine movement, oh no,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: it's not the Jews that we hate, it's just the Zionists.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: They're totally different things. I can support Palestine, but that
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean I hate Jews. Well, when you're putting free
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Palestine in Jewish pajamas just because you know that they're
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: going to go to a Jewish home. It's not anti Zionism.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: It is pure anti Semitism.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely is.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: And the comparison to nineteen thirties Nazi Germany is a
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: really good one, because how did people, for example, who
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: used to be friends, colleagues, neighbors, who simply you know,
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: suddenly would turn on Jewish people, Jews who had fought
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: with the German army under the Kaiser.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: My great grandfather was an honored veteran World War One,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: fought for Germany.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: And then suddenly you're accused of, you know, being you know,
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: secretly undermining the country, and the and again the same
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: it happens the same way. You create a narrative whereby
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: there's some kind of secret international conspiracy in which Jews
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: are destroying the world, and that maps perfectly onto the
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: crazed claims about Israel and its behavior.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Taken out of context.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: And again, I'm no friend of Benjamin Yah, don't support
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: a huge amount of what he's done, but the idea
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: that it is all one side, and it is all
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: this act of apartheid and genocide on one on one side,
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: and you know, this brave freedom fighting Hamas on the
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: other is just it firstly is historically just simple bullshit,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: but also it is a way of crafting a narrative
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: that makes you able to abuse, violate, murder Jewish people
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: because if they're controlling the world, if they're if they're
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: if they're committing a genocide you know somewhere in the
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: world that everyone's you know, then then it justifies everything
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: you do.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Nothing is too bad for that.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Exactly right. And look, just quickly before we go to
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: a break, the expenses scandal in golfing labor ministers is
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: still ongoing talking about Bondai rightfully so, and that has
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: taken centers stage in the media as it one hundred
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: percent should this week, but it is worth mentioning. Jamie
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Mark Butler is the latest Labor minister to be caught
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: up in this. He spent five and a half thousand
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: dollars flying himself and family members to the Australian Open
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: and the Cricket Test match, even though he's the Minister
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: for Disability and Age Care.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: I know the whole thing is just getting out of control.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: But the sad thing, like the reality is they're all
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: still within the guidelines, so we need to that's the
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: ultimate problem here is we need to have the guidelines addressed.
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: We know that the Attorney General Michelle Roland has agreed
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: to repay some of that twenty one thousand dollars trip
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: that she took her family over to Perth. But ultimately
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: it's just getting these guidelines addressed so that the MP's
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: are stuck going to pickle like this where they keep
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: exploiting it, but really they're still within the guidelines, which
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: doesn't mean it's right, but they haven't technical.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: I've always provided but if you time the pology to say,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: guidelines of Jeffrey Rush's character and parts of the caravan I.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Have come to parley, there's one of the rules of
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: parley goes well, they're more like guidelines.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: They're guidelines and they're very flexible as well. And if
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: that's their attitude to spending our tax paid dollars, it's
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: no wonder things like the NDIS are running out of control.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about NDIS and age care and
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: all the things that the government can't stop spending money
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: on after the break because in the papers they will
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: just us the grim state of our nation's finances. Stay tuned,
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: welcome back to the show. Let's get into tomorrow's papers.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: So you hear it here first, Joe kicking off for
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: the Daily.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: Telegractly did and there is no paper greater than the
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Great Daily Telegraph, and they have splashed.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: First we had major time to ground control. Now we've
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  Speaker 5: got earth to Albo, absent PM, missus, terror funerals and
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: dodgers the fury. Come on, guys, He's doing his best anyway.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: Anthony Albaneze has been worn. He risks quote the loss
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: of innocent life in another terrorist attack unless he takes
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: quote urgent, unprecedent and strong action on rising anti Semitism,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: including banning hate preachers and prosecuting offenders who incite violence.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Former Treasurer Josh Friedenberg, as we've heard earlier in the show,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: and the parents have slain ten year old Matilda led
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: verbal attacks against mister Albanezi yesterday. The Prime Minister not
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: present at evidence at either of the two funerals for
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: fallen Rabbis. He did, however, appear on Mamma Odia on
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: Mama MEA's The Quickly podcast, The Quickie Podcast in Sydney
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  Speaker 5: FM radio station Gold one oh one point seven. I
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: did not know that anyway. That's why I read the newspapers.
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  Speaker 6: So he was doing that today instead of going to
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: the funeral, according.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: To the Daily Telegraph, which is never wrong.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: So I think I think perhaps there will be a
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: bit of a recalibration of that the PM.
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  Speaker 7: I'm just glad to see we can see where his
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: priorities lie.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Well, you remember during the bushfires, right when Albanesi was Albanesi,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Scott Morrison feels like a lifetime ago, was in Hawaii
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: on holidays and the amount of flack he got for that.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I hope there is an equal level of outrage, if
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: not more, because people have died and Albanesi has not
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: gone to their funerals.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Do you know what?
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: I was actually on the ABC and when news broke
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: of Scott Morrison's wife, I said, I don't think it's
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: such a big deal. Pms need to take time off,
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: we need they everyone deserve to have a holiday. He's
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: not going to be able to fight the fighter that
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: and the you could just sort of see all the
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: other guests implode. You could see the switchboard sort of
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: light up. I thought smoke was going to come out
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: of it, and people, how can you say.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: That and I always and I always.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: Point to that moment because I knew that sooner or
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: later a labor prime minister was going to do it,
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: a left promeinister was going to do it. And the
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: minute you sort of think, oh yeah, i'll get a
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: few kicks in while they're on the ground on this one,
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: you're going to get on that one.
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: So I am A lot of commentary is saying that
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: this is elbows. I don't hold the host moment.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I think it's actually worse though, because he's not away,
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: he's not on some pre booked holiday. He's just accusing
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: not to go. He's just staying away from the area.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: But in the Australian tomorrow, the headline is gun reform
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: will not counter gihad ideology, says Israel As a year
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Israeli minister who's in Australia for the aftermath of the event,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: the Israeli Minister for Diaspora Affairs, Amachai Chickley, has said
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: that gun reform is not the key issue and will
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: not actually combat the radical ideology that drove this attack.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing, as you guys talked about last night,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: as we've talked about gun reform of coause it has
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: to happen the idea that you can have hundreds of
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: guns and that this is something that should be protected.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you can find another hobby. You
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: don't need this many guns in Sydney. But it's true,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: and I think it's been used as a distraction by
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: some elements of the left wing media to not talk
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: about the real issue here, which is why did he
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: use the gun in the first place. And by the way,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: if the terrorists hadn't used the gun a gun, it
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: would have been a car, it would have been a knife,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: it would have been some other means. Unless you deal
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: with the underlying ideology, it's not going to change anything.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you can't legislate hate away. We said this last night.
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: And I think that looking at gun reform is just
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: masking a bigger problem here and diluting.
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: The bigger issue.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: And I think we need to be focusing on the
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: anti semitism issue because it's the mental state of who
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: is going to pull that trigger, and that's something that
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: you can't just put reforms in.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Well, Also in the Australian Tomorrow, we've talked
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: about the economy Angie's It's bad. The headline is Charmer
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: fails to bank all of his tax wind falls. Jim
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Chalmer's expectation of a balanced budget is being pushed out
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: beyond the next decade as quote, unavoidable spending pressures from childcare,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: the NDIS and hospital continue to hurt the budget. And
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: then you've also got things like lower immigration than expected
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: and reduced tobacco excise taxes that are killing the budget
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: as well. So not great news for labor that somehow
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: managed to gaslight Australia into thinking they were the better
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: economic managers at the last election.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: Surely that's one thing that Sky could back their government.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I am happy with that, but I do can side
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: that for the But this is why governments like high immigration,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: because it's good for their bottom line producer.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Really well, it's a result of why we have the
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: immigration in the first place, because we need workers.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Although the best worker.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Is one that you grow from birth, one that you
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: grow from the belly, because then you get all their
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: taxes from the minute they start working.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Exactly right. Well, also in the Australian Tomorrow, Champagne toast
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: to deal.
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: This is a bit of a funny article.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: A and zed tops A and Z's top lawyer held
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: a lavage cocktail soiree at his Melbourne home on the
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: bank's dime to celebrate the signing.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Of a rap believe the bank's using American currency, that
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: would be the first thing they look.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Into on the signing. To commemorate the signing of a
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: record two hundred and forty million dollars settlement with the
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: corporate Coop, an agreement currently being examined by a judge. Jamie,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I get the concern why are you using corporate money
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: to celebrate this, but also it is it's a professional
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: accomplishment for them.
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: And they do say in the article they had to
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: work very hard to be able to secure these deals
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: and so they are being rewarded for.
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: Their hard work.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: I should have given out a few cardio watches at
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: the time as well. You know what could possibly go wrong?
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: All right, let's head to Tasmania for the mercury and
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: this one is Mum Claimed benefits for non existent baby
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: and baby makes fifty six K. A Tasmanian woman who
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: defrauded Centrelink for almost a decade by receiving welfare payments
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: for a daughter who never existed has denied, subsequently inventing
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: a story about the baby's stillbirth and backyard bury burial
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: as a way to just fire her original deception. Anthea
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: Murray appeared in at the Supreme Court in Hobart on
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: Wednesday for a disputed facts hearing after previously pleading guilty
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: to two comwealth charges relating to obtaining a financial advantage
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: by deception and making a false statement on a Medicare application.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: This is between two thousand and nine and twenty seventeen.
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: She managed to pocket fifty six thousand dollars off the
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: back of making up that she had a baby. I
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: don't understand how you can actually do that and get away.
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: With it for so long.
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: Well, I think she's miss mad Well because I mean,
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: when you get a birth certificate for your baby, you know,
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: no one comes around to your house with a clipboys
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: and right, can I see the baby?
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: So she registered, she applied for it, but I think
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: she invented the still birth no afterwards to explain it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: So first she registers and this is the thing, what's
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: the only thing worse than faking a baby, faking a
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: dead baby? So she faked the show. She faked the
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: baby by registering a false birth certificate, and then when
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: she got busted, she said, oh no, the baby was real,
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: but it was still born. And then I bet so
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: she invented the whole death of a baby to cover
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: her tracks for inventing the birth of a.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Baby, and she buried it in the backyard. It's not
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: a dog woman.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: This is just such a good news is that.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: I don't think you did bury it at all, because
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: I exist, But if she had, it would have been
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: very disrespectful.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: And what's going on in the Herald tomorrow, the Newcastle Herald.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: The only good kind this is? This is actually a
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: great headline.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Oh shucks, Oyster stocks down now.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: This could be a bit of a blow for the
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: Romeo in your life. But Christmas is coming up and
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: we seem to have a shellfish shortage.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I'll just read the words.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: Shall I, instead of just free sighing for Stephens. Oysters
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: will be in short supply this Christmas as growers recover
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: from a series of catastrophes in recent years. Come on,
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: I've had a series of catasrophes in recent years and
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: I haven't stopped producing an outbreak of QX disease in
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty one sent at least four Sydney rock oyster
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: growers to the wall. Those who remain have had to
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: battle floods, fire and a sewage spill. Oh that kind
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: of puts you off, doesn't it in the port as
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: they seek to re establish their businesses. The bottom line
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: is that stocks are down.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: There we go. You might's sad for Christmas.
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: I love oysters, so this will be this a dier
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: for Christmas Day.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: So sad for the husbands of Australia who now know
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: that they'll be getting an early night.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Jo. Well on some better news after the break,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about one of the great
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: characters from The Simpsons, Maggie. Well, she's finally getting some
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: lines in the show in a new remake. Stay chunned,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the program, Jamie. What's happening with the Simpsons?
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: Well, Simpsons fans, this is a great one. Lindsay Lohan
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: has posted a bit of a teaser on her Instagram
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: as she is going to be the voice of Maggie
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: for a special Simpsons episode this weekend. We rarely ever
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: hear from Maggie, but let's take a look at the teaser.
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: I'm driving to school today.
• 46:20
  Speaker 8: You're not going a lad enough to kill people if
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: you don't let me practice.
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: Uggy Maggie, wherest your voice?
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: You're still getting over that Wirenginas, Please.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Don't let bar drive.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: It's too scary. He drives so wiggly, and everybody hunks
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: at us and yells bad words and shows us fingers.
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: And she says a lot.
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: That is such a sacred couch. So she has never
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: ever spoken in the entire series.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: I think she said a few words with Elizabeth Taylor
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: was the voice.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I think I think she wants that nice night too.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was, because there was another because that's like
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: a future flash forward. There was another flash forward where
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Maggie was a really sullen teenager and every time just
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: just moved around, refused to talk, and then every time
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: she was about to say something, someone would interrupt her.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: So you're too young to.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Know what And this is a generational divide. I didn't
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: grow up watching Simpsons, but I should get into it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: It looks it's like YouTube.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: We can, right, Okay, now let's get on to some
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: real high art here. Now, this is my actual favorite
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: Christmas song. It is fairy Tale of New York by
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: the Pogues, And did you know that every single year
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: it makes eight hundred thousand dollars even though it never
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: actually reached number one when it was first released in
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: the nineteen eighties. Let's have a little listen to the
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: late great Shane McGowan.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Christmas. So, yeah, a lot of those lyrics are not
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: safe for work. It was actually written.
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: This is actually got despite meant to be being really
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: edgy and crazy, and it's got all these swear words
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: it wouldn't or geography terms you wouldn't be allowed to
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: say now, although somehow it still gets played on UK
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: radio like clockwork every single year. But it was actually
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: Shane McGown and a couple of other people I think
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: was Elvis Costello one of them, or all of these
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: people sat down to actually write this kind of really
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: edgy Christmas song and they did it and only ever
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: made it to number two.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Yet it's still around today. I think that's a true test.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Wasn't just a fan. It's an eternal favorite. Now, well,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: let's go over to Brazil, where a replica of the
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: Statue of Liberty has collapsed in a severe storm. Now,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: this is a forty meter replica and not very glorious.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: There she is, She just sort of falls over.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: We shouldn't have made it out of paper mache.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Retrospect pretty sad. It does look like America though the
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: mac is in the background.
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: It does. That's very dramatic.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, why go to America when you can just
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: go to Gueber, Brazil. That's going to be on my
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: bucket list. Next. Well, thank you so much for joining
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: us this evening up. Next is The Rita Paney Show.