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I.C.U.P. – Pokemon Company Camera Arrest & The Bone Temple Box Office · Multiple Nerdgasm

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Welcome to multiple nerdgasm with your hosts, Matt.
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Luke. And Dan multiple Nerdgasm, your
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guide to all things nerdy. Well, I've done it.
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I finally watched Stranger Things.
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The whole thing. Not not the whole thing.
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Unfortunately. We're only up to episode 4 or 5.
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Of Season 5. Yes.
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So I'm up to the part where I thought you were.
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Going to say no Season 1. And I was like, we can't talk
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about that, man. I don't remember.
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No, I'm up to the part where they just took the children out
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of the toilet and then. Be sure it's Stranger Things
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you're watching and not something it's the dark web.
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Although I'm pretty sure it's Stranger Things, but yeah, I'm
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up to the yeah through the floor.
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And then they still got the kids anyway.
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Right. Yeah.
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But one thing I want to say is at the start of it, the very
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first episode, I found it quite strange because they go through
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will storyline in Yonder upside down, the world upside down,
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upside down and he's managing to get a shotgun and shooting stuff
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and all this stuff. There's the whole storyline of
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Season 1 was the reason why he was able to get away from it is
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because he was good at hiding. Right, that's.
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Very different to getting a shotgun.
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Yeah, there's, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that changed over
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over the time, you know, as they realized, oh, hang on, we need
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to wrap this up somehow. Yeah, but I'm enjoying it so
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far. Yeah, no, it's good.
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Like I mean like I. Really AM.
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You need to people get people were very upset about it.
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It's ATV show that they didn't plan on making this much of they
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had to just kind of go with it. So it took some there was no
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grand plan. This was never going to be
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perfect because they just made it up as they went along.
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Like because you love the kids so much, they had to keep making
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more with the kids like. Again, that wasn't.
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Their plan? Watching on Yeah exactly,
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exactly. Yeah.
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There was supposed to be one season and then done and then it
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was going to be about some other thing like the people, other
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story, whatever. It was like going to be like A
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and. They're going to play to our
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nostalgia again, just in a different decade, correct?
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It was not going to be about those kids anymore.
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And then people just were like, no, no more of those.
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More of those kids. Yeah, more of those kids ways.
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And so yeah, we ended up with we got, I think it's fine.
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That was good. I enjoyed it.
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I'm enjoying it and I think people need to stop picking
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things apart so much. Actually, I can appreciate that.
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It's not easy to do that, so yeah.
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But like it's. And I don't think they use
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ChatGPT. I've seen no evidence of that,
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despite what the Internet says. Well that's the reason why I
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think they will never make Half Life 3.
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Right expectations too, I know. Yeah, no one.
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If they want to make Half Life 3 it would be just destroyed in
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comments and negativity and because it's never going to live
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up to what people have built it up to be.
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And they don't need to like Steam's making all of the money
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so. It's still a private
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corporation, so it's not like it has to impress stakeholders.
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But why risk it? Just, you know, half life too.
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So fucking good. Actually, so was Half Life.
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What's the problem? Actually, I preferred Half Life
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to Half Life too. Yeah, Half Life too.
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Very much felt like drive here, kill these things, drive again,
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kill things, drive again. I think that's what it really
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felt like to me, whereas I don't know how far the first one just
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really got me. I feel like the first one would
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be hard to play now. Yes.
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It's the Black Mesa remake. But even that's very old now.
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Yeah, that's true. I met those guys at PAX.
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Didn't have much to talk about because I'm not particularly
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good at talking to people, but I can talk to you guys.
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Yeah, both of you who are both here?
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Both here. Yes, Dave should be very quiet.
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Again. And he's shy, he doesn't want to
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be shown, but he is here. He's here, He's just not going
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to be seen or heard. So I've seen this.
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I need to hear about this. The man from the Pokémon Company
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arrested for putting cameras in bathrooms.
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Yes, so oh, I didn't put the article in there.
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That's. No, so that's why I need more
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information. Oh boy, can I.
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Was he putting me in like the bathrooms at work or?
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Yes, and also let me find it. Here we go.
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Sorry, there's the article. Yes, a man like name him is
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named in the article Ben Tsai, a 44 year old man from Seattle in
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Washington. OK.
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Was arrested earlier this month after he allegedly hid a camera
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in a Starbucks bathroom. So he was arrested for that.
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Oh. He's putting it in a Starbucks
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bathroom, but then when he was questioned by the police, he
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said the reason he was putting cameras in the bathrooms.
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Yep, there's a reason for it. Yes, a reason.
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A reason. Yep, there's a perfectly
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reasonable explanation, and it is this.
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He was curious about transgender people.
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So, you know, victimless crime. Was he trying to take a poll of
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how many? So he, he, he, that's what he
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said. He said that.
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That's why he did it. And he was mainly curious about
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transgender people and was not attracted to children.
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OK, you know the best way to probably find out about
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transgendered people. Yeah, talk to them in the
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bathroom. Maybe just ask them?
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Yeah, you probably could talk to them.
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I like this too. This is a good quote too.
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He admitted to hiding cameras in various places no more than 50
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times. Oh.
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Come on, it's not like I did it a lot Yes.
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And he did tell them he had placed a camera in his workplace
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bathroom and then the police asked him are there any chance
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transgender people at work? And he said yes.
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So apparently that's what oh, and and that place of work,
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according to his now deleted LinkedIn, was the Pokémon
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Company. So yeah, they've said that the
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Pokémon Company have said that they don't know anything about
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this and they weren't investigating it because they
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didn't know until now. But if anybody has any
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information, they're asking them to come forward.
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And I'm pretty sure he's already no longer working there.
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Oh, he's been fired for sure. Yeah, Yeah.
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But but the other thing is OK, so he's done this no more than
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no more than 50. Times no more than 50 times,
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but. This is the first time anyone
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knew about it, so he's just got all this footage, has he?
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That's that. 'D be terrifying, that's just
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planting the camera like the camera's on for quite some time.
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And what I mean, what's he doing with it?
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He's just looking at it to. Just looking at.
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Curious about transgender, are you curious about what, exactly?
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Curious about how transgender people go to the toilet, Like,
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specifically? Yeah, that's what are you going
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to learn about them from just watching them on the toilet.
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Yes. Like you'll learn one thing.
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Do they sit or stand? Yeah.
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And then after that. There's there's, there's nothing
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else so. You're going to learn a lot
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about them as people. No, that's what I said.
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Like the best. If he wants to learn, talk.
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To them also, I feel like if I if I if I get arrested for
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filming people in toilets and I say this, I'm just curious about
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transgender people. I'm not attracted to children.
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Yeah, like like, OK, we didn't say well.
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We didn't say anything about children.
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You brought that off. Yeah.
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So there's no children at my work.
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I mean that is, that is. There is, but there's probably
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children at Starbucks. I mean, he might have been
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worried that that's what they were thinking, but it's just a
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weird thing to throw in on throw in there unless he was asked.
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But it's just as it's a quote. Just yeah, it's scary.
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Yeah, this is like, this is like the upscaling thing.
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Just don't do it. Just don't do it.
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Why are people? Doing this still a thing?
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I don't know. It was big in the 2000s.
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Yeah. Apparently.
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Although I have seen some YouTube videos like like place
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camera stuff where they're still catching people doing it and
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stuff. Yeah.
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Like just pretending to I'm just tying my shoe while I've got my
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camera out of. Yeah, I've learned this this
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week. OK, I'm not going to, I'm not
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going to say who this is just in case because I don't know if
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this is true, but there's a, there's AI watch people on
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YouTube. And I'm going to say one thing
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I'll say is that this is not somebody I've ever talked about
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before. So if I know that I've talked
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about travel Youtubers before and I may have named them, this
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is not anybody I ever have mentioned before because I was
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not aware of this person. There's somebody I came across
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on YouTube and I was like, oh, these videos are quite
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interesting. Looked up more of their stuff
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and then found there's a subreddit specifically about
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this person where they have seemingly discovered that this
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person is a somewhat infamous member of the pickup artist
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community. And.
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What they're doing is, and again, I don't know if this is
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true, but it really put me off, is yes, they're going around,
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they're making these videos, visiting, you know, all these
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kind of interesting parts of the world people don't normally go
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to and that kind of stuff. But also, apparently what they
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do is they'll never see any footage of them doing anything
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at night because what they do is they go to these places, they
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befriend the men and older women of the community and display
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their wealth and fame as Youtubers and then bang all the
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young women at night. And, and there's this whole
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thing about how like this is literally a thing that they've
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said that they figured out how to do when they went to
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Southeast Asia with their dad many, many years ago, where if
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they think you're a rich Westerner, you can just fuck all
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these women. And like, and I was, I was like,
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what the fuck? And they've made a YouTube
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career out of it as well. Like, and I, I mean, I mean, I
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think it's gross, but like certainly do that's, that's
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just, that's really creepy. So they like go around like
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filming stuff like befriending everyone, like we're nice guys,
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we're here flashing. And you'll see the of all that,
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of them befriending all these people and being really nice.
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And then what they do is they use that to, because then the,
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the, the scheme as outlined on these pickup items forums is
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that if you go befriend all the older men and women of the
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community, these are poor, impoverished communities.
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Word gets around and they go, girls, this could be it.
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You need to try and marry this man and then he just fucks them
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all. Fucks them all and leaves.
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Leaves, yeah. Leaves the next day.
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Like, yeah. Yeah, and again, it sounds
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ridiculous, but apparently this is a scheme that was outlined by
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a person who has been potentially identified as this,
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this, this guy. Guy.
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I said guy. I mean, it was fucking obvious
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it was a guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's a guy that's going to be doing this.
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But I'm not going to say who because like I said, I don't
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know if this is true. I just saw this and I was like
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reading it and there's like a lot of stuff.
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And I was just like, Oh my God, like.
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That's really disgusting for sort of.
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It's just really creepy, like. Yeah.
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And because you would not know that at all, I think from the
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YouTube content, because I watched a bunch of it and I'm
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like, no, it just seems like no. But then when you know about
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that, you go, I mean, he is, he is talking to all the older
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people and he is displaying his Western wealth.
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Kind of thing like and he's only showing during the day.
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Yeah, like interesting. Well, I importantly, it's just
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sad, but I can't believe that. Well, it led me to the people,
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like, yeah, it's called sex tourism.
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A lot of people do it. Apparently.
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You go to poor countries and, you know.
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Oh yeah. It's sad.
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Yeah, it's, it's gross, but yeah, it's the world we live in.
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On my trip I didn't do that. Well, actually, this is an
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intervention. Dan is here and he's about to
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jump out and we're going to accuse you.
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No, no, no. And when we go to Vietnam, we
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will not be doing that right. No, we will not.
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Hopefully that's not what you thought we were going to be
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doing. No, I think we're going to be.
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I'm not interested drinking beer, riding scooters down the
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country. Yeah, I read this week that I
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actually have a question for you about that.
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This I read that I and you can't get a permit to drive in
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Vietnam. Is that true?
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How did you drive in Vietnam? Well, just.
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Hide. It didn't.
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No one stopped me. No one questioned me.
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No, they. Said you can do that, it's just
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that no one cares. But if you get in an accident or
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you get pulled over, you will have to pay the police money.
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You would need to bribe the police, yes.
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OK. That's what I heard.
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And I was like, I'm not sure Luke would have done that, but
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you did. All right, fine.
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Yeah, but no, I just hired and the place I hired through it was
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weed like I got, I think I was in Hui.
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They brought those scooter to my hotel, took my passport and I
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would have taken my luggage as well.
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And then I just drove down to. And you?
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Met and then just dropped the scooter off, got my passport
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back and that was it. But no, I've heard of a lot of
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people you have to give. Me a passport I don't think I
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want to do. That well, that's why.
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Well, that's why we're not going to hire, we're going to buy,
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right? Right, right.
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We'll buy the scooters, we'll buy the scooters up in Hanoi and
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then we'll sell them in Ho Chi Minh.
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Right, Right. Yeah, All right.
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Cool. Yeah, because I mean, they said
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also nobody over there's got licenses either.
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So no, I'm not, you know, you, you kind of just.
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No, basically, kids start driving when they're sort of
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like 12, essentially, yeah. And you'll see, you'll drive
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past and there'll be an entire family on a scooter, including
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their dog. Yeah, yeah.
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I also said that you, if you want to do that trip, the big
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trip, you really can't. You can't really do it on a.
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A scooter's not the best for it because there's a lot of
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potentially hills and stuff that you won't be able.
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To that actually, actually rode up over like the main hill.
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That's where I actually rid Rd. because that's the hill I really
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wanted to ride on. Like really good roads, really
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good scenery. Yeah, and it was fine.
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OK, all right. What?
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Like what power? Oh, it's like a 125.
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Like it was nothing like. There's I think what we're
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talking about, but a lot of people I think grabbed like
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little 50CC things. Oh yeah, no, that's no, you need
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a one Bread City and. Then go out into the Yeah, OK.
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Yeah, no, like the scooter I've got down that I own is like
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A250300. Yeah, right.
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OK. And but yeah, over there 125
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will get you around. Very cool.
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Yep. I'm excited.
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I'm excited to bang all the I mean, I mean, to see all that
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countryside. Show of your western wealth.
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Yeah, yeah, just the whole cut again, I don't make I'm not
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putting it that I think that's a gross way that that like saying
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that is yeah, I don't like that that's what they these people
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are talking about online. These pick up artisty people,
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right. I'm not saying I wouldn't even.
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Yeah. Is that really a pick up artist
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just to go hey I'm rich? Yeah, yeah.
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From what I gather the the goal is yes, it's pick up whatever
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gets the girls is. Oh.
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Because. That's all there is.
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Yeah, I don't see that as picking up.
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I see that as. Yeah, I don't know.
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I. Don't know, essentially paying
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for it, it's sort of, but they're not paying there.
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No, that's leading them on. They're just thinking letting.
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Them know that they could pay for it, but they're not going
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to. Yeah.
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Yes, and then they leave. Men are disgusting.
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Yes, yes. So yes, we will not be doing
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that. We might film some people in
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bathrooms, but only if they're transgender, not children.
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Come on, don't be gross. Oh, no children, just
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transgender. Just nothing for research.
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Yeah. Nothing weird, just you know.
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We don't need to talk to them or ask them the questions we're
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curious about. We'll just film it and hope that
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when the camera's on that it's easily treasured the person like
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because. Yeah.
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Oh, I'll know. I'll know.
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And then you will need to go through all the footage.
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Yeah, I'll zoom right in there and figure it out.
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So weird. Where was the camera?
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That's an important question too.
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Where was the camera? Yeah.
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It doesn't say you think. Up or below?
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That's is can you these questions I shouldn't ask, Can
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you mount a camera in a toilet? Like would that work?
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You mean in the toilet? Yeah.
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I mean, that's where you're going to get the best view if
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that's what you're interested in.
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I would assume there'd be, there's waterproof cameras and
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stuff out there, but they'd be visible, wouldn't it?
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Yeah, yeah. Because I guess I'm not a
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pervert, but if I just put a camera up somewhere would you
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wouldn't see much see anything? It's like a whole.
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I understand it's invasion of privacy and everything like
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that, but like under normal circumstances not a whole lot to
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see when someone goes to the bathroom.
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No, like it's not like very sexy or anything.
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No, no. And you're not.
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I mean, yeah, what are you going to, What are you going to say?
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I mean, you know, men often pee in public, in the public, but in
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the, you know, the urinal or whatever.
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I although here actually they are more private.
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People here are scared that you're going to look at their
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pee pee. Yeah, I remember we peed on the
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street many times. Yeah, we probably shouldn't have
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been that. Yeah.
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Yeah, I just. Think I just really had to go to
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the toilet. I'm not interested in children.
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What is it legal to pee in public here?
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I don't know. It almost certainly is, yeah.
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I've done it many times. Yeah, yes, we were drunk.
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Yes, clear about that. It's not something we do.
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Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't for fun.
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It wasn't like I was doing it where people could see me.
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No, no, no. We were drunk.
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The hotel was a long way away and we didn't know where we
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were. Yeah, and we were.
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And we had to go to the bathroom.
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Yes, yeah, yes. So we found as suitable as a
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place as possible. Yes.
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We didn't. Film anybody.
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There didn't film anyone. There were no cameras,
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hopefully. And this is a long, long, long,
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long time ago. Yes, we're in our 20s.
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Correct, and we did not engage in any of what could be
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described as sex tourism. No.
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All right, what else we got here?
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Oh, have you seen the Bone Temple yet?
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No, I meant to go and see it, but then I started watching
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Stranger Things. OK.
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Yeah, when? I had heard it's really doing
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bad I've ever seen like most critical going.
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This is a great movie like. Yeah, I've heard like the
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reviews and everything are really good.
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Yeah, like, but I guess maybe people were put off by the other
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one, the last one. But maybe it's the fact that
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it's got the same sort of name. Yeah, maybe they think it's the
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same movie. Yeah, it could just be as silly
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as that. Could be, yeah, apparently it's
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doing really badly at the box office for some reason.
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And I think because the ending of the other one, it might have
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put people off. It was very strange it.
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Was it was super strange. Like, I mean, I'm going to watch
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the new one. Yeah, I'm hoping to get there
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this week. Maybe, you know, normal people
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were like, that was weird. No thanks.
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Come out. Maybe, but it's kind of great
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reviews from people who have actually seen it.
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Yes, that's why I'm so disappointing is because
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apparently it's very good. Yeah.
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But. Yeah, look, I will go and see it
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this week and I'll tell you if it's good or bad.
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I. Mean.
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I'm sure it is. I think it's good, like
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everything I've seen of it looks.
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But this might mean the the third one, yeah, could be in
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trouble. Now trouble is.
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A shame, unless it's already been filmed.
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I don't think so. I think they did these two.
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Back-to-back. Did they do all three of them?
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Yeah. It's it's making half as much
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money as last year's 128 years later.
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But also I don't think it may cost a lot to make.
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No, but. And that might be its savings
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Grace. OK, OK.
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Yeah. And somebody in the comments is
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saying I haven't seen, I don't watch ads over here, but someone
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said the marketing campaign in the US was, pun intended,
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boneheaded. Every commercial has just got
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some variation of quotes from the reviews that say wow, go see
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this movie you won't believe it. Bone Temple so good.
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Doesn't mention that it's 28 years later, doesn't mention
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anything. It's just saying go see the Bone
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temple. Like they're not.
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They're not linking it to the other one, which is weird.
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It's got Ray finds in it though. What's not to like?
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Yeah, that's, I don't know. Look, I'll let you know what I
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think of it next week. OK, please do.
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Please dear. She must got that guy in it
24:09
again. The guy from what's that movie
24:14
shit? The guy from Nosferatu.
24:19
But no one is going to know what I mean by that.
24:21
No. Aaron something, Aaron.
24:28
Not Aaron Taylor Joy. That's Anya's.
24:32
I just made-up Aaron Taylor Johnson.
24:40
Aaron Taylor Johnson. He's in it.
24:42
Oh, is he in it? I need to go see this quite soon
24:47
because it's already getting down to like 1 screening a day.
24:51
Wait, is he not in this? 28 years later?
25:00
He's not in it that's we're talking about the dad.
25:06
Yeah. Apparently he's not in this one.
25:10
All right, well anyway, well, that sort of doesn't make sense
25:13
because I think this is focusing on the kid because at the end,
25:15
remember, he lays the. Kid whose daddy is OK.
25:20
No, no, that's fine. Yeah, the last one.
25:22
I mean, you have to be in the last one, right?
25:23
Because he's literally supposed to be looking for the kid right
25:26
now. That's why I'm just surprised.
25:27
Oh, that We're not having any of that in this.
25:30
Yeah, well, this is all about the Power Rangers.
25:33
Yeah, that's fine. I know.
25:35
Yeah, yeah, I get it. No, I'm actually going to have
25:37
to see it this week because I think this might be the last
25:39
week it's at the cinema seat because it's fucking hell.
25:42
It's doing so badly. Like it on choose?
25:45
Like there's two screenings on Sunday and Monday and then it's
25:49
down to 1. So this might be the last week
25:51
they have it. Oh, this person's in it.
25:57
Yeah. OK.
25:58
I might try and see it this week.
26:00
I would like to support Danny Boyle.
26:03
Yeah, especially because it's it is so good.
26:07
It's. Wait.
26:09
Deserves to get the third one made.
26:12
Hang on a minute, something fishy about this casting cast
26:18
list. I haven't spoiled something.
26:20
Not going to say it just in case.
26:22
That's weird. It's got to be.
26:26
Starts with AC. Yeah, it starts with AC.
26:28
It ends in an Ilian Murphy, but it's not.
26:31
I think it's a cameo. No, I think it's just Google
26:35
being stupid, which is something we'll get to in a minute.
26:38
No, I did see he, I think he is in it, but just as a cameo type
26:43
of not replaying his character that I just saw well.
26:50
Yeah, because that would be ridiculous.
26:52
Yes, Yes, I did. Was it?
26:57
Yeah. You played like, I think you
26:59
just had a camera. It was like a bike Courier or
27:01
something. I don't think it's going to be a
27:05
main character. How can you be?
27:07
A bike Courier in that world. Maybe a flashback?
27:10
I was. Going to say it after me.
27:14
What was his job before 28 days? Dinner.
27:18
Woke up in a hospital. Maybe he's a bike Courier.
27:20
I think we knew that, yeah, maybe he was all right.
27:26
So anyway, yeah, go see it. Go support it.
27:30
Does not. I'll try to be doing this badly.
27:33
Can I go see it this week? Maybe I maybe we'll see.
27:36
Oh, budget 63 million and box office is 33 million at the
27:40
moment, so yeah. It's not.
27:42
That's really not good. Well, budget too, probably
27:45
doesn't include marketing. So maybe double that, yeah, on
27:50
average. Well, maybe don't double it from
27:53
what I've been you just said about well they not.
27:55
Really. You might have still spent the
27:56
money on it. It just wasn't very good.
27:58
Who knows? But I think usually the
28:00
marketing budget is the same as the film budget.
28:03
Yeah, again. It's like the marketing for
28:06
Grand Theft Auto 5. That was huge.
28:10
Yeah, sure. Which is, and I don't know.
28:12
Oh, because I don't know why you'd need to advertise
28:14
something. Like that, and I don't mean and
28:15
I really don't think they need the they shouldn't have to do it
28:18
for six, that's for sure. Yeah, I guess you don't want to
28:22
risk it though. Like they make so much fucking
28:24
money. But everyone just goes crazy
28:26
just off a YouTube trailer. Yeah, I know.
28:29
Yeah. Yeah.
28:30
It's like the Marvel movies. Do they need to advertise those?
28:32
I guess they do. Marvel.
28:34
I think they do at the moment now.
28:38
I don't know what's going on with this new one.
28:41
I don't know. I just, it's so sad that they've
28:45
just had to fucking back, backpedal, whatever the hell it
28:50
is they're doing. I'm not.
28:52
But this is going to be any good, you know?
28:54
A Fantastic Four was good. Was it?
28:57
I enjoyed it, but that's sort of weird, sort of set in a
29:02
different universe type of thing.
29:05
Yeah, well, that's how they're doing.
29:07
Presumably that's how they're going to do the Doctor Doom
29:09
thing. Yeah, maybe.
29:12
We'll see. Yes.
29:16
And then also with Captain America being back.
29:19
Yep, Yep. Let's just bring back everyone
29:23
we killed off and. I had a rant about, I think it
29:26
was a probably almost certainly did on this show about how he
29:30
literally came back and said he retired and for some reason this
29:34
didn't click with me. But somebody did point out, yes,
29:40
the Steve Rogers from that universe, that could be true,
29:44
but a Steve Rogers from another universe might still be kept
29:48
there. And I was like, oh, OK.
29:50
Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
29:52
Yeah. For some reason that didn't.
29:53
And that's why it's going to get all very confusing with the
29:55
multiverse and all this stuff. And yes, but that's what happens
30:00
with the comics. It gets to a point where it's
30:02
all too confusing and then they just blow it up and start again.
30:07
Yeah, DC is worse at that from what I've seen.
30:10
But yes, it gets messy because they, well, that's because as
30:16
they are with with the movies they go, they get too overboard
30:21
with like, no, no, you've got to watch all of them.
30:23
You got to read all the comic books.
30:25
You've got to read like, you can't just read Batman.
30:27
You've got to read like Catwoman and you've got to read this and
30:29
that and otherwise you won't. You'll be lost.
30:31
And then now they're starting to deal with the movies.
30:33
It's like, no, I shouldn't have to.
30:36
Shouldn't have to. I should be able to just watch
30:37
this movie and just understand it and not yeah, need to have
30:41
watched 20 different things. How you?
30:42
Keep getting yourself in this position where you have to reset
30:46
the whole fucking comic series. Like the whole yeah.
30:49
But I think that's always going to happen with the comics
30:51
because they need to churn them out quickly.
30:54
Well, the comics are different in that nobody's reading them
30:57
now, so they have to do all these crazy stunts to get
31:00
people. That's that.
31:02
Literally every few years they reboot because people will not.
31:07
If you go to buy comics and you go, oh, number 347, I'm not
31:10
going to, yeah, I can't get into it now there's 347 comics I
31:14
haven't read. So they reboot, it's number one
31:16
and then. Everyone has #1 to start with.
31:19
OK, sure. I'm in.
31:20
Yeah, yeah. It's like, OK, that works I
31:27
guess. Works.
31:31
I don't know. Do comics make money?
31:35
I don't know anymore. I think not.
31:38
Not the way they used to. For sure.
31:41
Like they can't. Because I know like a comic book
31:45
store in Canberra, kids. Can't read anymore.
31:48
I I go into a comic book store, I do get nervous when I go in.
31:55
Always have been around comics. I don't know.
31:59
I get nervous when I go to comic book stores, but I'm not
32:01
interested in children. Your officer.
32:04
No, it's, I don't know. I don't want to start something
32:07
because I know I never go back and get the second one or the
32:09
third one or anything. And so it's.
32:12
Comics, not children. Yes, Yep.
32:15
I, I pick up the second and third children.
32:17
Yeah, of course. Yeah.
32:21
Yeah, I know what you mean. I I've got on comixology which
32:26
is now just. I think it just got rolled into
32:28
Kindle now. OK.
32:31
I've got comics on there because I do go through phases where I'm
32:34
like, oh, because I used to read comics a lot when I was a kid.
32:37
And I, you know, I go through phases now where I'm like, oh, I
32:39
could read again. But like it's, it's a kind of a,
32:44
you know, I'll go through a thing where I'll read a bunch of
32:46
them for, you know, a couple of weeks and then I just forget
32:50
that they exist basically. So.
32:56
Yeah, I've only have like physical comics and I've always
32:59
like brought one, brought maybe we've got the second one, and
33:02
then by the time I go back to the third one, they're already
33:05
sold out. I've got a bunch on those
33:07
shelves, but yeah, I've done that before.
33:09
Yeah. The best comic I have is the one
33:13
signed by Stan Lee. I do have the Droid series.
33:20
Oh yeah. Got that somewhere?
33:23
Doctor Oyd's. Mess.
33:27
Since the C3PO gets a job as a physician and he calls himself
33:31
Doctor Oyds. Yep.
33:32
Yep. He just wants to help people.
33:34
He's not interested in children. Oh, he's not interested in
33:38
children at all. No, he's not interested in
33:42
girls. I can tell you that about 3PO.
33:44
Oh, it's definitely not. They should have just seen in
33:49
Star Wars where he gathers everybody together.
33:51
He does. Have you gotten up to that
33:53
video? No, I'm not up to that video.
33:55
I'm just up to the bit where Robbins had to chat with him.
33:58
Right, right. They're going, hey, I was like
34:02
you and so I decided. So I think he's just now he's
34:07
just got the power because I think he's just worked it out
34:09
that. Yeah.
34:11
Oh, they have the big showdown at the outside the gate when
34:14
Vecna shows up. Yeah, yeah.
34:17
Just I just finished that. Yeah, yeah.
34:19
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The coming out thing, it was
34:24
like funny in that I know people who are mad about it, like I
34:27
it's fine. It's just like, it's very
34:29
anachronistic in that like I can see people's point that I
34:34
probably wouldn't have gone that well back in the 80s.
34:37
Like, which I mean, obviously you don't need to show him, you
34:40
know, like it's just, it's just very like odd like.
34:45
Although. Like it's fine.
34:47
Like it's nice, but then it is like.
34:49
Closest friends and stuff and family.
34:53
So that's a little bit different.
34:54
Whereas if they had have gone like one person out of that
34:59
circle, you probably would have had the you did say it in a safe
35:03
space. Sure, sure.
35:04
True. Yeah, I don't know.
35:06
It's just, yeah, it, it was very like, OK, OK, we got it.
35:15
Everybody knew. We all knew.
35:17
We all knew, you know, everything's played to us.
35:21
Everybody out here in the real world figured it out seasons
35:24
ago. Maybe seasons ago.
35:27
Yeah, Kathleen Kennedy we talked to last week about Kathleen
35:32
Kennedy is gone from Lucasfilm. She's been saying some stuff on
35:37
the way out the door and, oh, this week.
35:39
Sort of like flipping some chairs and stuff out the way.
35:43
Yeah, she's. Just being asked about a lot of
35:46
stuff, which is fair because people have a lot of interest
35:48
in, like Disney's not done much. Like with Star Wars, for
35:54
example. The last couple of years have
35:55
been quiet comparatively. Yeah, right.
35:57
You know, they went a little. Over They went too hard, too
36:01
fast and didn't realize what people wanted.
36:06
Yeah. And so things have seemed seemed
36:08
to have slowed down a bit. And now so she was asked about
36:12
that a lot last week. And as we learned now Filoni's
36:14
going to be in charge and it's just not going to be worth
36:17
watching anything Star Wars ever again.
36:20
And this week she's been asked about Indiana Jones and
36:25
specifically Dial of Destiny didn't do that.
36:28
Well, she's actually that's another thing too.
36:32
She's saying here in this article that Harrison Ford was a
36:37
behind a lot of the push for Dial of Destiny to happen
36:41
because he didn't want to leave on.
36:44
A sour note. Yeah, he didn't want to leave on
36:48
Crystal Skull, which I feel like, I mean, maybe, yeah,
36:54
Harrison Ford was the driving force behind the fifth film.
36:57
But then the other week she also said that Rian Johnson got
37:01
scared off and wouldn't do any more Star Wars movies, which is
37:06
why there was no trilogy, right? She said.
37:09
And then he came out and said that's not true.
37:12
Yes, I happily would make them still.
37:15
And it's it's like, who do you believe?
37:18
So I don't know this, but the thing she's saying this week is
37:20
that that Indiana Jones will never end.
37:27
And like, currently, Stephen, Frank and I, Frank Darabond, I
37:36
was like Frank, who just mentioned George Lucas, but
37:38
we're all still here, Stephen and Frank and I and Harrison.
37:41
Oh, and George, sorry, George is there.
37:44
OK, it's on the next line. I'm getting old.
37:49
So we get to say whether there's going to be any more or not.
37:53
But these are timeless going to be.
37:57
These will never be done. No, you can't at this point.
38:00
No, Harrison, no, there's no way he could come back.
38:03
He's done unless they do a full on just CGI.
38:06
Make him young again. Yeah.
38:07
Which was of mixed success. But I don't know if you've seen
38:11
him in the Apple Show headspace. I think it is.
38:17
Shrinking. Shrinking.
38:19
Yeah, he's seen that. Seen it.
38:21
I've not seen I've ever watched it, but I've seen.
38:24
But yeah, like he is at an age where he cannot go back and do.
38:28
He's an old man. He's an old man now, like he is.
38:32
Yes, he will be geeky of the week at some point.
38:36
Yes, like. He's the thing I see him the
38:39
most now and I fucking love them.
38:40
Are the Glenmorangie ads Harrison Ford just because it's
38:50
like the fun side of him? Have you ever seen you've seen
38:54
this? No.
38:55
Oh, he's so he's the, I guess the the face of Glenmorangie
39:02
Scotch now. OK, or?
39:04
Whiskey and yeah, so I mean, look them up.
39:08
The ads are great. It's like him, like they call
39:14
him up like literally the ad, the first ad is like him sitting
39:17
there drinking Scotch. And then they call him up and
39:19
he's like not interested. And then they're like, you don't
39:21
have to do anything. We'll pay a bunch of money.
39:23
And he goes, I'll sit in the chair and I'll say the lines and
39:25
they're like, sure. It's like.
39:28
It's like they're really funny, but then yeah, like he's in the
39:32
Highlands in a kilt and whatnot at some point.
39:35
OK. But but yes, he's an old man who
39:38
sits and drinks Glenmorengy now. Yes.
39:41
Like yeah, he's never coming back for another one.
39:43
And so if you're going to do it. Right.
39:46
And let me know you're. Going to have to bring someone
39:49
else in. Yeah, not Chris Pratt.
39:52
No, I think that. That there was a small window
39:55
there where you could have, they could have done that.
39:57
But now everyone fucking hates Chris Pratt and I'm glad they
39:59
didn't. Like there was a small window
40:01
where you could have had Chris Pratt come in and play Han Solo
40:05
and Indiana Jones. Yeah.
40:06
And people would have been like, yeah.
40:08
Yeah, but they missed that. But now, yeah.
40:13
But then he went, he got, he ditched Anna Faris, got married
40:17
to a Schwarzenegger and then became a homophobe.
40:20
Or already was, but we didn't know.
40:22
And then now he's like. He's probably going to run for
40:25
government. Is he OK?
40:27
I reckon he will. I reckon he's do a few more
40:31
years to movies and then I think he will follow Schwarzenegger
40:34
and go into politics. Yeah, right.
40:38
Fair enough. Well, he's got, you know, it's
40:41
his father-in-law. Now so exactly.
40:43
Yeah, he's got a good mentor if you want.
40:45
To do yeah. So I I'm predicting that now.
40:50
Yeah, OK. In the next 10 years.
40:52
So he'll not be in practice. We'll go into.
40:54
Politics. All right, so who could be
40:56
Indiana Jones? Apart from me, obviously.
41:00
Oh, yes, Apart from us, yes. I I think they're gonna have to
41:05
go. Someone unknown.
41:08
Yeah. You couldn't go with big *.
41:11
That's tough, though. You couldn't go a big star.
41:13
It's going to be someone who's coming up in the ranks.
41:16
Yeah, well, that's what they were worried about when Harrison
41:20
Ford got cast. That's what George was worried
41:23
about anyway, was that Harrison Ford had gotten famous from Star
41:27
Wars. And he's like, no, no, no, I
41:28
want to use Burt Reynolds. I would love to have seen Burt
41:35
Reynolds play. I mean you can if you watch the
41:39
the screen test he did with What's a Karen Allen?
41:43
Yeah, but I don't know. I don't.
41:45
I think things are different now.
41:48
Yeah, yeah, I. Don't think there's any big
41:51
stars that I could see playing in the end.
41:54
Yeah, actually I've seen. So there's still people still
41:57
speculating about who the fuck is going to be James Bond.
42:00
So I've been seeing lots of stuff and all of the people that
42:03
they're suggesting now I've never heard of.
42:07
Yeah. And apparently these are like up
42:09
and comers who are sort of like known.
42:12
And I'm like, I don't know that. See, they should go with us and
42:15
go with Rahul. Rahul would be the greatest
42:18
James Bond now. He's charming, he's funny.
42:24
Let him do it. Yeah, let him have a go.
42:28
He's English. That would be yeah, he is.
42:31
He is. Yeah.
42:35
Thought I heard a noise, A child.
42:41
Waking from their slumber. Yeah, no.
42:43
Well, I already know she's upstairs at this point, so.
42:47
She didn't bite him. What's that?
42:49
She didn't bite him. She didn't bite him.
42:52
No, the cat. She didn't bite the cat.
42:55
Oh, I don't even know how to bite a cat.
43:00
Like no one accused you of biting the cat, honey.
43:04
But now we've got questions. Yeah, exactly.
43:07
Like why is Bing C? Yeah, why is Bing C yelling?
43:10
I didn't bite him, OK? I don't like children.
43:17
Yeah, she has some funny shit. Yeah.
43:21
So apparently she thinks it's going to be more Niana Jones.
43:23
But that's. I mean, it's just tall.
43:25
It's not anything. Yeah, I think it's one of those
43:28
questions that she's gets asked and yeah, why not?
43:31
Yeah, everyone's asking her about everything because she
43:34
knows secrets and she's leaving, so they're like, maybe she'll
43:36
tell us. Tell us, yeah, I am sort of
43:41
happy she's gone, but I'm not happy with her replacement.
43:45
No, me either. For the person who the only
43:49
thing we've actually really liked since Disney took over, he
43:54
goes, I didn't like that, so that doesn't get filled us with
43:57
hope. Was that true?
43:59
Did Filoni really say he didn't like and or?
44:08
According to a new report it's dated?
44:13
Oh, it's based on conjecture and a rumour dating back to 2022.
44:16
There's no actual source. He's publicly praised Andor and
44:20
Tony. The showrunner from Andor has
44:23
praised Dave, so maybe that's not true.
44:26
Maybe it's not true. Hopefully it's not true because
44:29
that's what I want more of. Although I also want to see non
44:35
western Star Wars. Yeah, I know you were mentioning
44:38
this. I, I, I just think I don't know
44:41
what it is, is something about the stuff that he's done.
44:44
Like I liked The Mandalorian, but then like season 1 was
44:49
mostly, I think Favreau and I thought it was good.
44:52
And then season 2 was when I, my impression is that Filoni got
44:56
more involved and that's when it started to get like, I don't
44:59
like this as much. And then now it's full on like
45:01
I'm just not really interested. The movie comes out in a couple
45:04
of months. What's that?
45:07
The movie comes out in May. That's that's.
45:11
They'll get my money. No, they won't get my money.
45:14
I'm not interested. Unless you, unless somebody,
45:17
unless everybody goes. This is the best fucking Star
45:19
Wars movie in the world. In which case I'll be compelled
45:21
to watch it. I'll let you know.
45:24
I'll go first week, I'll go day one, I'll see it and I have.
45:29
I don't have high hopes for it at all.
45:32
And you shouldn't. Like.
45:35
The trailer looks no good to me. No.
45:41
Amanda, Lorian and Grogu. It's also a horrible name.
45:45
Stuck with getting rid of Grogu. That's the other thing that
45:47
pissed me off too. Yeah, Grogu was cute and funny.
45:51
But he didn't need to come back. It might have actually been nice
45:55
to see. Chickened out.
45:57
Grogu's story at Training to be a Jedi baby.
46:02
Yeah. Not becoming Mandalorian.
46:05
Don't just do a fake out. He's gone, and then surprise.
46:10
Surprise he's back. That could have split it off and
46:12
had different seasons, series and the Mandalorian could have
46:17
been still doing bounty. Hunter, it could have been the
46:20
Mandalorian. Yeah, it was about the
46:22
Mandalorian. Yeah, I get it.
46:28
It was very popular. It's hard to do.
46:29
I do have a tattoo. Baby Yoda.
46:34
Even. What's that?
46:35
I have a tattoo of Baby Yoda. Grogu.
46:39
Baby Yoda. You have a tattoo from before
46:42
you knew that his name was Grogu, so therefore it's not
46:45
Baby Yoda. Yeah.
46:47
Yeah. I've got a tattoo of Baby Yoda
46:50
eating the eggs. Got it.
46:52
Yeah, Elyria's favorite blanket is a Yoda blanket, which she
46:57
calls it Yoda blanket. It's technically Grogu, but
47:00
whatever. Whatever.
47:02
Looks like she. She's never seen Star Wars, but
47:04
she knows who it is. Yeah, because.
47:07
It was like my niece when she was growing up, she she knew the
47:10
word Star Wars from from the style of it.
47:13
Yeah. Like before she could read.
47:15
She knew Star Wars because. Yeah, from the font.
47:19
Yeah, and I used to fill her head with it.
47:25
Tell her the stories of the wars, the.
47:27
Clone Wars and I remember a story, there was a time when she
47:31
was look, her parents were like, can we not watch Shrek?
47:35
Can we watch something else, like watch a movie with people
47:39
in it? She went, Yep.
47:40
Star Wars, yes. That was that was used to be
47:48
good. We don't have to do this.
47:51
Another series, another trilogy that I like.
47:53
I know not everybody likes all of them.
47:56
I like the trilogy of Pirates of the Caribbean, the first 3.
48:02
I like all of them. I think I've seen the first one.
48:05
I don't think I've seen any of the others.
48:08
Really. OK, I like all of them.
48:10
I know the third one people don't like and it is certainly
48:12
weaker, but I like them all. How many are there?
48:16
3. Only three?
48:18
Yeah. They stopped at 3, did they?
48:22
Yep. No, I think it's 5.
48:24
How many? I do know that it sort of ends
48:27
with him becoming. There are 5.
48:32
In the third one doesn't like the other guy become the guy.
48:35
He's on the boat and can only come to shore every year or
48:38
something. Yes, will.
48:41
Will why don't she just get on a boat and go and see me out in
48:44
shore, out in the water? Well, I'm sure she will.
48:49
Yeah, why she? Can't wait so often though.
48:51
Something I can't No, no no, I can't remember but.
48:57
But I don't know that from pop culture.
48:59
I never actually saw it. Yeah, right.
49:02
I'll have to watch him again. But the director go for Binsky,
49:07
who also did the US remake of The Ring, which is in my opinion
49:11
very good and I think it's better than the Japanese one.
49:14
Controversial, but I quite. Well, I quite liked it.
49:17
I like Gore Binsky. He has obviously given Pirates
49:21
of the Caribbean done a lot of work with CGI, very CGI heavy
49:27
series of films, particularly once Davy Jones gets involved.
49:31
And he has been interviewed this week and he says, I think this
49:36
is interesting whether or not it's true.
49:39
He thinks there's a lot of people have commented, we've
49:43
talked about how CGI in movies seems to be a bit shit now for
49:48
some reason and no one's quite been able to figure out what the
49:51
fuck is going on. He thinks it's because, and I
49:54
didn't know this, there's been a big shift in the industry away
49:58
from using Maya and other 3D modelling stuff that they used
50:02
to use, which presumably he was familiar with, and they're doing
50:05
it all in Unreal Engine now. Oh.
50:08
OK, yeah, I'm playing that sort of strange because I've seen
50:12
some stuff stuff on YouTube where they're doing it things in
50:18
Unreal, which actually looks quite good.
50:22
Yeah, well, he says, I mean, this is just his opinion, but I
50:25
mean, he's a guy with a lot of visual effects experience.
50:29
So he's it's not like not like this is coming out of nowhere.
50:33
But he's saying is I think the simplest answer is you've seen
50:37
Unreal Gaming engine into the visual effects language.
50:39
So it used to be a divide with Unreal Engine being very good at
50:42
video games, but then people started thinking maybe movies
50:45
can also use Unreal for finished visual effects.
50:48
So you have this sort of aesthetic entering the world of
50:50
cinema, blah blah blah. I think it doesn't work from a
50:54
strictly photoreal standpoint. That's his opinion.
50:58
Any talks in here about how I think the Marvel movies used it
51:05
a lot and it worked for their aesthetic, but now it's been
51:10
like more broadly used and he thinks it doesn't work outside
51:15
of that kind of context. Like, I don't know, he's saying,
51:19
what does he say here? I don't think it takes light the
51:21
same way. I don't think it fundamentally
51:23
reacts to sub stuff scattering and how light hits skin and
51:25
reflects in the same way, Yeah I don't know.
51:30
For me, I just think they're they're sort of rushing it more
51:35
and there's only so many studios that will groups that can do the
51:41
3D and they're sort of stretched thin.
51:43
And I don't think you have the skills there anymore because
51:47
they're relying on it too. Much maybe that's part of it
51:50
too, right, because Unreal I think is more accessible and so
51:56
maybe that's that is what it is. You've got less experienced
51:59
people because you need more hands.
52:01
And the other thing too is I think a lot of it for me when I
52:06
see a movie, I've talked about this a lot before, is when more
52:11
these days you see people doing stuff and you go that's you
52:13
can't do that Like, and I don't know why they like, it's not
52:19
that it's not just that it's CGI, it's just that it's not
52:21
feasible like. Well, there's so much stuff that
52:24
is CGI that doesn't need to be. It's just.
52:27
Right, but like everything CGI, people are doing implausible
52:33
things. There's like action is more
52:38
haphazard and like they survive by luck and coincidence more
52:44
than any kind of skill. Like what I always think of is
52:48
The Hobbit where like you look at Lord of the Rings and it's
52:51
got action sequences in it. And they didn't, they used CGI,
52:55
but a lot of it was practical, like, you know, people jumping
52:57
on horses and stuff like that. And the examples of where it is
53:00
very fake and CGI always get laughed at.
53:03
Like when Legolas climbs up the the Oliphant, right?
53:08
People always make fun of that. But The Hobbit is full of all
53:11
that kind of stuff. Like it's completely moved away.
53:13
Like you've got the wind when smog is chasing the dwarves
53:16
through through the mines and stuff.
53:19
And they like fall and they just happen to land in a minecart
53:22
because it comes back, it comes past at the right time.
53:25
And then like, it's just like, and like when they're floating
53:29
in the river, down the river and back, like it's just all very
53:31
like, I don't know. It really doesn't work for me
53:35
because it's just so fake and slapstick and but like lots of
53:40
movies do that now. It's sort of, I don't know, it's
53:44
lazy in a way. Yeah, I guess so.
53:49
But it I'm sure it takes it's not even lazy.
53:52
It takes a lot of effort to do it.
53:54
I just. Think it's not saying I'm not
53:56
saying it's not. Plausible.
53:58
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's sort of most, most of maybe
54:01
on the lazy writing side. Oh, and just relying.
54:04
On the script to. CGI.
54:06
The dragon chases the dwarves for 10 minutes, and then they're
54:09
like, all right, yeah. And yeah, they're just relying
54:13
on the CGI to cover up the fact that, yeah, we can't flesh this
54:17
out for. And the thing that even with The
54:19
Hobbit, like The Hobbit was how many?
54:22
It was a trilogy, wasn't it? Yes.
54:25
For the small, smallest book, they tried to stretch it out to
54:28
a trillion. They took they took stuff from
54:30
other books and they added extra stuff in like that.
54:33
But yes, it didn't need to be. Yeah.
54:36
And I think that was sort of the problem with that as well, is
54:39
that they tried to stretch out the small book.
54:42
The thing I'm describing is not the only issue with best movies,
54:45
I'm just using as an example. Yeah, like what's something else
54:50
I saw recently? Oh, I don't know, just, yeah,
54:54
just I don't know the way they use it these days.
54:57
It's like, I mean, example I always go back to is I look at
55:00
Mad Max Fury Rd. as an example of like, that's what I want.
55:05
It's and actually there are a couple of at least two I can
55:09
think of instances in Mad Max Fury Rd. where I wish they
55:12
didn't use CGI for things because it looks fake.
55:16
They did rely a lot more on practical effects.
55:19
That's what I'm saying. So like, and and you can, you
55:21
can tell at least I, I can tell my brain seemingly knows.
55:24
And because when I saw Furiosa, I talked about this.
55:26
When I saw Furiosa, I was like, something about this is off.
55:30
And then I looked it up and it's because, yeah, they convinced
55:33
him. Like, apparently specifically,
55:36
they convinced George Miller that it's OK to digitally alter
55:41
the positions of the vehicles, this kind of stuff.
55:42
And I was like, no, you're fucked up.
55:44
I can tell. My brain knows, man.
55:47
Like something about it. Yeah, there's too much of A
55:51
reliance on it and it needs to stop.
55:54
It's been to help, not be a I'm an old man.
55:58
And I like stuff the way I like it, and that means just smash
56:01
the cars into each other and I'll watch.
56:06
But no, it's yeah, it's. I do think it's lazy.
56:11
Yeah, actually a really good example of I when I watch an
56:16
action movie and I get like that adrenaline rush kind of thing, I
56:19
feel like it only happens when there's like less CGI.
56:23
Yeah, maybe I'm just, maybe I'm just mistaken.
56:26
And a recent example is I watched a much older Bond films
56:30
at the end of Living Daylights. There's a bit where he he's in
56:35
like a cargo plane and he's hanging out the back of the
56:37
plane off this net full of like all the cartel drugs or whatever
56:41
kind of stuff. He's literally and it's a person
56:44
hanging out the back of a fucking plane fighting another
56:47
guy on a thing because it didn't have CGI and they just had
56:50
stuntmen and they filmed it and it and you go whoa, fuck, like.
56:54
And to me, that which was made in the 80s is more exciting than
57:00
a lot of. Is that sense of fear because
57:04
it's it's real? I think my brain can tell the
57:08
difference. Yeah.
57:10
So yeah, but apparently it's because of Unreal Engine,
57:15
according to Korvinsky. But I don't think that's true.
57:17
I think it's just. No, I think the problem is the
57:21
phrase will fix it in post. Yes.
57:27
Yeah, have you seen? That what's this Gus, whatever
57:30
his name is, the YouTube comedian he does it is you've
57:34
got this sketch. It's like, I think it's called
57:36
like every student film project and it's him there and he's
57:39
like, all right, guys, thanks for coming down to my student
57:41
project. I'll be the director.
57:45
Never done this before. I will be saying the words.
57:47
We'll fix that in post a lot. I don't know what that means.
57:51
We'll, we'll fix that in post. Yeah, we're going to be here 12
57:55
hours and then I have not arranged any catering and also
57:58
that's, but that's fine because the homeowners also said we're
58:00
not allowed to use the bathroom. That's very funny.
58:04
I might need to go and look at that.
58:07
It's funny and accurate. Yes, yeah, no, no, I do agree a
58:14
lot of it, it's starting to look faker and I think it's just that
58:18
they're rushing, they're spread out.
58:20
So they you got new people in the industry using the easiest
58:23
thing that's accessible, which is unreal so.
58:27
But then also I'm I'm just an old man.
58:29
Maybe kids don't care about this stuff like I do.
58:33
I don't know. The Internet seems to pick it
58:35
all apart, and we're not the Internet.
58:40
That's we're on the Internet. We're on the Internet, but I
58:42
don't think we are the Internet. Man, there was a time when I was
58:46
probably the most on the Internet person I knew.
58:50
And you know, well, you guys as well, obviously, but you know,
58:54
like amongst my my school, I wouldn't go to your school, but
58:57
at my school, I was probably the most on Internet person and I've
59:02
people fucking eclipse me now. I'm sorry.
59:04
I hate the Internet now. No, I despise it.
59:08
Yeah, I haven't like even Instagram, I have not logged
59:11
onto Instagram in months because.
59:15
No one else is on there now. It's yeah, it's all just crap.
59:19
I hate comment sections. Comment sections on anything
59:24
just depressed me. Even like news.com, you read the
59:28
comments and I go, I don't want to be here.
59:31
It's because it's AI shit, a lot of it.
59:37
It's AI shit and it's also people who I don't agree with
59:41
who are very vocal. But the problem is you don't
59:46
know if they're real. They could be AI pots designed
59:50
to piss you off intentionally. So I think that's the thing now
59:54
too. IAI needs to stop.
1:00:02
Yeah, well, it's not going to. I know I do like AI, I do use it
1:00:07
a lot, but I also think it needs to stop.
1:00:11
Yeah. People don't know how to.
1:00:13
People can't be trusted with AI yet.
1:00:18
Yeah, yeah, it's I've noticed more lately because I do use it.
1:00:26
I ask it stuff, Yeah. And the longer the conversation
1:00:29
goes on, man, it gets weird. Yeah, like that.
1:00:32
That's the thing. It's called a context poisoning
1:00:35
where the longer you have a conversation with it, it gets
1:00:39
hung up on something you said like days ago because you know,
1:00:44
potentially that conversation when you talk to an AI, when
1:00:48
you're having one of those chats, the way it works is it
1:00:50
doesn't actually remember anything.
1:00:52
It has to send with every request all the required
1:00:55
information. So it sends the entire history
1:00:58
plus any other history and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then
1:01:01
it figures it all out. And so if you've been having a
1:01:03
conversation with it that's been over, like, months, it's having
1:01:07
it all now. Yeah.
1:01:09
And so it gets like, that's why it gets fucking weird.
1:01:12
That's why you need to start new chats.
1:01:15
Yeah, you literally have to, otherwise it will get weird.
1:01:19
Yeah, I'm actually using a lot at work recently, and it's
1:01:23
really useful to start something.
1:01:25
Yeah. Not to finish anything.
1:01:28
No, I trust it to finish nothing because I've seen it get to date
1:01:33
wrong and then I've gone, you've got a date wrong.
1:01:36
And it went, no, I didn't. Yeah, you did.
1:01:40
And they went, Oh, OK. It can't do addition and
1:01:43
subtraction, which is weird, right people?
1:01:45
The other thing people require people rely on them for things
1:01:50
that they really shouldn't. Because I think the problem is
1:01:52
you think computers are very good at math, right?
1:01:57
But but these things don't do it the way that you would expect
1:02:02
all the time. Sometimes they will, sometimes
1:02:04
they won't. Sometimes like, because the way
1:02:06
it works is it just puts words together in a way that it thinks
1:02:09
you want. So well, you've sometimes if you
1:02:13
ask it to do like, you give it a bunch of numbers and you go,
1:02:15
what's this? It'll just make it up, and if it
1:02:20
sounds plausible, you could get yourself into some trouble
1:02:23
there. Well, you've heard the stories
1:02:24
of some lawyers getting disbarred because they basically
1:02:27
put something into check UP and went, Yep, I'll submit that.
1:02:31
And then they go, yeah, these cases you're referencing do not
1:02:37
exist because check UPD was making you happy and went, yeah,
1:02:41
I could. And if you ask you, you'll go,
1:02:43
Oh yeah, that's right. I did make those up.
1:02:44
Yeah, but like and do those things like like now they can
1:02:48
Google information, right? But if you ask it, this is an
1:02:51
example I had the other day, if you say what's the population of
1:02:55
Belgium, right, it will sometimes just respond with a
1:03:02
number which may or may not be correct.
1:03:04
Sometimes it might say, I'll have to check and it will Google
1:03:07
and it will say I'm checking Wikipedia and it will say I got
1:03:10
this number from the Wikipedia article about Belgium.
1:03:15
But still then you don't know it's true because sometimes it
1:03:19
just gets a number from that article.
1:03:22
Yeah. And it gives you that number and
1:03:23
it's like, well. There's been time for it.
1:03:26
Just even yesterday I was using it to do some documents.
1:03:30
I asked, I asked the same question twice with like
1:03:33
different data in there. Yeah.
1:03:35
And the response it gave, it gave different like, yeah,
1:03:39
different answers because it was different data, but how it was
1:03:43
doing it was very different as well.
1:03:44
Like instead of dot points, it was down numbers and things like
1:03:48
that. Like it just changed the way it
1:03:50
did it all for me, asking exactly the same question with
1:03:55
similar data. It just decided to do it very
1:03:58
differently for some reason. Yeah, because I've.
1:04:01
Yeah, I think I mentioned I was working on a tool to like do
1:04:05
like podcast transcription and stuff.
1:04:07
And you have to tell it like to respond because I was trying to
1:04:11
do it as a script to automate it, right?
1:04:12
And so I want it to respond in like Jason format, which is a
1:04:16
particular data format, so I can process it afterwards and do
1:04:19
stuff with it. And then a lot of the time it
1:04:23
just won't. And then so like the IT it's, I
1:04:26
was like, this is fucking expensive because you have to do
1:04:28
10 API requests. I mean it's not that expensive,
1:04:31
but it like at scale it would be because you can't trust it's
1:04:35
going to even respond no in the right format.
1:04:39
Like no, it will just make up the format at once.
1:04:41
At the time it just goes what? The fuck it feels like Yep.
1:04:45
Anyway, yeah, the context for the the Belgium thing was that
1:04:50
Apple is now going to use Gemini as the new Siri, so when you ask
1:04:57
your phone a question, it will. Is it Gemini pixels?
1:05:02
Very yes, Google thing. Google thing made a deal.
1:05:06
It was going to be ChatGPT, but apparently either Apple or open
1:05:10
AI doesn't want to do that anymore or both.
1:05:12
And now it's going to be Gemini and.
1:05:15
I did not think Google would make a deal or didn't think
1:05:18
Apple would make a deal with Google like that They.
1:05:20
Need the solution, man. They need the solution.
1:05:24
But it's like going to be weird because the way like Siri's bad
1:05:28
at the moment, right? But the way that most of these
1:05:30
things work right now is if you Amazon, I think strangely has
1:05:36
the best one of those. I'm not going to say it.
1:05:38
Oh, Google's might be all right. I haven't used Google so much,
1:05:40
but I've got one over there, so it's going to be listening.
1:05:42
So I'm not going to say her name.
1:05:44
But when you ask them a question, normally up until now,
1:05:47
what happened was if you said what's the date, it would look
1:05:50
it up, actually look it up, and you would get the correct answer
1:05:55
If you asked it what the population of Belgium was, stuff
1:05:58
like that. They have databases and it would
1:06:01
look up the answer in the database, so it would have
1:06:03
roughly the correct number, right?
1:06:04
You ask it like, what was the score of the sporting game?
1:06:08
And like the companies would make databases of this commonly
1:06:11
asked information. And if people were asking a
1:06:12
question a lot, either we'd either say I don't know, and
1:06:15
then they could see all people want to know this.
1:06:17
They add it to the database. So the the odds are better that
1:06:20
you're going to get the correct answer.
1:06:22
But now they're just throwing it into the fucking the the the
1:06:27
agent, the chat agent, and then just whatever it fucking says is
1:06:31
the answer. And it's like, come on, no,
1:06:35
that's not a better solution than the actual correct answer
1:06:39
that you have Now. We just especially.
1:06:42
People it. Can't even tell you how many Rs
1:06:44
are in the word strawberry like. And The thing is it.
1:06:48
Gets it wrong. People are relying on it now.
1:06:51
They're not taking it as a something to help them.
1:06:55
They're relying on the answer. It's giving back and they're.
1:06:58
Putting medical information in there and using it to get
1:07:02
medical. Don't.
1:07:03
You can't trust these fucking things.
1:07:05
They make shit up. Like come on, they just want to
1:07:10
make you happy. Yes.
1:07:13
And if you ask it why, why did you lie, it'll say, oh, I just,
1:07:18
you know, I thought you might like the answer.
1:07:22
No, they just let the truth be brutal if you have to be.
1:07:26
Has no concept of truth, Luke. That's the problem.
1:07:28
People think these are like thinking things they're not.
1:07:32
It's like a fucking random word generator.
1:07:34
It puts words in the order that it thinks you want them in.
1:07:37
And it's scary because already people get their news from like
1:07:41
Facebook 1 liners and that's. We've got an article here.
1:07:44
Isn't this next article? Google has come under fire.
1:07:48
Particularly this. Isn't The Verge reporting this?
1:07:52
They're saying Google repeatedly messes up, like frequently
1:07:58
messes up their headlines. So when you see headlines on
1:08:02
Google, Google News from the Verge in particular and and
1:08:08
presumably all other news sites too, they've listed other
1:08:10
examples too. It summarizes the article
1:08:14
incorrectly and and it makes up a headline and it basically just
1:08:18
says stuff that's not true and then you click through the
1:08:21
article and that's not what the article says.
1:08:23
That Yep. But, and the scary thing is a
1:08:26
lot of people are only reading the headline and then they're
1:08:29
going, oh, that's from The Verge, so must be reliable
1:08:33
source. Yep.
1:08:35
But it says yeah, Google's won't stop replacing our news
1:08:38
headlines with terrible AI. Let's see, from PC Mag's story,
1:08:46
I saw a headline saying that the drone ban was dropped.
1:08:48
Is that true? No, it's not true.
1:08:51
The the IT just summarized it incorrectly and it came up with
1:08:55
a headline that was completely false.
1:09:02
Why is it doing that when they've already would you just
1:09:08
meant to be saying what this says like?
1:09:12
Had reason. To replace it.
1:09:14
The Apple intelligence one that they had to roll back and now
1:09:18
they've switched to Gemini. But the the previous one, I
1:09:20
think it used a chat chat. GBC said that the, what's his
1:09:29
name, Luigi Mangiano, the guy that shot the healthcare
1:09:32
president. It popped up an alert to people
1:09:36
saying that he had died like, this is ages ago.
1:09:39
And then Apple was like, oh, fuck, they have to roll back the
1:09:42
whole feature because they were like, we can't be doing that.
1:09:45
Like, yeah. They had a lot of problems with
1:09:49
that one, didn't they? I.
1:09:51
Think that's might be why they've switched to Gemini, but
1:09:54
I don't. You can't control these things.
1:09:56
That's the problem. You can just, oh, you have.
1:09:58
You literally have to beg it. OK, please summarize this
1:10:02
article and please don't lie. Please actually read it.
1:10:05
Please summarize it correctly. Pretty pretty please.
1:10:07
Like you literally have to ask it that.
1:10:09
And then it goes, I'll see what I can do, and then it comes back
1:10:12
with some horseshit. You're going to get what I give
1:10:15
you. Yeah, it's quite funny.
1:10:20
You know what you can get where I you know those words didn't
1:10:24
come out right. You know what, Where you can get
1:10:27
what? I'm going to give you the after.
1:10:31
Party. Oh, the after party.
1:10:35
Very good. What's the after party?
1:10:38
That's the after party square. We're going to continue to talk
1:10:40
for a little bit longer about other stuff this week.
1:10:44
I will say we have no geeks in a week.
1:10:46
No one died. No, neither.
1:10:48
No one died or they didn't tell us.
1:10:50
Anyway, he died. Yeah.
1:10:51
And look, I can't promise I won't have any more old man
1:10:53
rants, but I'll try not to go on about CGI or ChatGPT anymore.
1:10:59
I. Promise I'm going to complain
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about something though so I'll have an old man rant.
1:11:04
All right, yeah, all right. Well, we'll see the oh,
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patreon.com/multiple Nerdgasm if you want it.
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It's 5 bucks a month for the after party.
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You support the show and you get access to all the previous after
1:11:15
parties as well. There's lots of them and.
1:11:18
There's there's, yeah, well over like 100 or 200 now after
1:11:22
parties. What are we?
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I'd say probably over 200. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff
1:11:28
there that you'll get. There's a lot.
1:11:29
Yeah, you should. Probably know that, should
1:11:32
probably know that number, but. Let's ask ChatGPT.
1:11:37
Let's ask ChatGPT. I got hand ChatGPT.
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Yeah, that's that. That doesn't know we'll end on.
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This many episodes of the multiple Nerd chasm after party
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are there you're. Going to be scared if it gives
1:12:00
an answer. It's not easy to find an exact
1:12:05
count because they're Patron exclusive bonus episodes rather
1:12:09
than numbered main feed you see on Spotify Apple.
1:12:12
But here's what we do know. There are dozens to potentially
1:12:16
hundreds after 30 years. It's sort.
1:12:20
Of very honest it doesn't know. It's sort of scary though, but
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it knows that it's behind a patron paywall though to begin
1:12:27
with. Like that's yeah, still.
1:12:29
There are Patreon posts titled Episode XXX After Party tied to
1:12:33
main show numbers. For example episode 588 After
1:12:36
Party from late 2024 and episode 634 After Party from early 2026.
1:12:40
The naming indicates that an after party bonus exists for
1:12:42
many of the numbered episodes, usually one per main show
1:12:45
episode. Since they started doing them
1:12:47
all right, So we don't know. We don't know.
1:12:49
Listeners go to patreon.com/multiple Connotism.
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There are potentially, there are dozens to potentially hundreds
1:12:56
of episodes of the After Party. I'm going to go.
1:12:59
There's more than dozens. There are more than dozens.
1:13:03
Yep, I'm going to say there are at least 100.
1:13:06
Yes, I reckon we're probably over 200, honestly.
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Let's try and get an answer for next week.
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Yep, someone count for us and tell us in discord.
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All right, and we'll see you. See you next week or we'll see
1:13:21
you in the after party. Yep, that's all for this week.
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