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Mega Edition: Jes Staley And The Transcripts From His Epstein Related Trip To Congress (Part 4-7) (11/1/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off with the Jess Daly transcript from
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  Speaker 1: his trip to Congress. Question, in the second email of
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  Speaker 1: the chain, you tell Mr. Epstein that you'll be in
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  Speaker 1: London that week. Mr. Epstein responds, quote, do you need
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  Speaker 1: anything there? And you reply, quote, yep. Sullivan, this is
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  Speaker 1: one document, right? One page? Redacted, correct. It's one page. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what did you understand, Mr. Epstein? To mean by quote,
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  Speaker 1: do you need anything there? Answer, I don't recall. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I go to London a lot on business. He was
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  Speaker 1: very connected in London, but I don't know specifically. I
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  Speaker 1: don't recall specifically what it was in 2009. Question, it
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  Speaker 1: does appear that he's offering you something though, correct? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I think he's just asking if I needed anything there. Question,
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  Speaker 1: so offering you something. In replying quote, yup. you were
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  Speaker 1: affirming that you did need whatever Mr. Epstein was offering, correct? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what he was offering. Question, sure. But
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  Speaker 1: he's sending you an email asking you a question, quote,
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  Speaker 1: do you need anything there? And you respond, quote, yup.
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  Speaker 1: So regardless of what he was offering, you're indicating that
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  Speaker 1: you do, in fact, need that thing. Answer, yeah. He
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  Speaker 1: used to set up business with people from the treasury,
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  Speaker 1: people from the royal family, lots of things he used
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  Speaker 1: to set up. Question, But are you indicating that you,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, need that thing? You're responding, quote, yup. Answer, yeah. Question.
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  Speaker 1: I would like to introduce as Minority Exhibit B an
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  Speaker 1: email from Mr. Epstein to a redacted individual dated September 2, 2009,
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  Speaker 1: just three days after you responded to Mr. Epstein's email with, quote, yup.
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  Speaker 1: The Bates number is EFTA 00883896. Question. In the email, Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein says, quote, Jess Daly is staying at the Berkeley
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  Speaker 1: Hotel in London tonight. I can represent to you, based
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  Speaker 1: on in-camera review of the unredacted version of this document,
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  Speaker 1: that this individual is a young woman from Eastern Europe.
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  Speaker 1: Did you ask Mr. Epstein to email this young woman
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  Speaker 1: your hotel information? Answer, where do you know that's a
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  Speaker 1: young woman from? Question, excuse me? I didn't quite catch that. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: where do you know that that's a young woman from? Question,
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  Speaker 1: based on the in-camera review of the unredacted version of
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  Speaker 1: this document? Staley asked the question again. Question, did you
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  Speaker 1: ask Mr. Epstein to email this young woman your hotel information? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did Mr. Epstein tell you that he was emailing this
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  Speaker 1: young woman your hotel information? Answer, no. Question, is that
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  Speaker 1: something that you had done previously? Answer, no. Question, why
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  Speaker 1: do you think that Mr. Epstein shared your hotel information
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  Speaker 1: with this young woman? Answer, I don't know. Question, was
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  Speaker 1: it because Mr. Epstein was instructing this young woman to
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  Speaker 1: go to your hotel and have sex with you? Answer, no,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question, you don't know or no? Answer, no,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I did not have an encounter with a
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  Speaker 1: young woman in a hotel. Question, but your answer to
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  Speaker 1: my question, was it because Mr. Epstein was instructing this
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  Speaker 1: young woman to go to your hotel and have sex
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  Speaker 1: with you? Is your answer no? Answer, No. Question or
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Answer, no. Question, how would you know
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  Speaker 1: that Mr. Epstein gets cut off by Jess Daly? Can
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  Speaker 1: you ask the question again? I'm sorry. Question, I asked
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  Speaker 1: you why you thought that Mr. Epstein shared your hotel
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  Speaker 1: information with this young woman. I believe that you said
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  Speaker 1: you didn't know. Then I asked you, was it because Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein was instructing this young woman to go to your
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  Speaker 1: hotel and have sex with you? Answer, I don't know. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did Mr. Epstein otherwise introduce you to young women from
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  Speaker 1: Eastern Europe when you were in London? Answer, no. Question, never. Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to introduce Minority Exhibit C, an email exchange
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  Speaker 1: between Mr. Epstein and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor from June 14, 2010.
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  Speaker 1: The bait's number is EFTA 01812700. Question in the first
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  Speaker 1: email of the chain, Mr. Epstein says, quote, this is
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  Speaker 1: at the very bottom. He says, quote, if you can
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  Speaker 1: find time to show Jess around with Redacted, that would
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  Speaker 1: be fun. He told me he ran into you tonight. Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Mountbatten-Windsor confirms that the two of you saw each other.
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  Speaker 1: Then ask Mr. Epstein who Redacted is. Mr. Epstein responds, quote,
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  Speaker 1: a great friend of mine, very pretty. She is my
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  Speaker 1: future ex-wife. I know Jess and she would love to
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  Speaker 1: see home. The next day, June 15th, Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor complains
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  Speaker 1: to Epstein that the woman did not respond to his
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  Speaker 1: email and notes that he's having dinner with you the
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  Speaker 1: following evening. Mr. Epstein replies by giving Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor the
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  Speaker 1: woman's phone number and telling him she is expecting his call.
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  Speaker 1: I can represent to you, based on the in-camera review
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  Speaker 1: of the unredacted version of this document, that the person Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein calls his future ex-wife is another young woman from
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  Speaker 1: Eastern Europe A different young woman than the one we
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  Speaker 1: just discussed. Did you meet this woman? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor show you around London? This was in
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  Speaker 1: June of 2010. Answer, around London, no. Question, did Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Mountbatten-Windsor give you a tour of his home? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: visited the palace. I thought it was just by myself.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't recall him joining or being there. Question, do
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  Speaker 1: you remember when you visited the palace? Answer, no, not exactly, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: do you have a year? Answer, no, but I know
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  Speaker 1: I went once. Question, and that's Buckingham Palace, right? Answer, yeah. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and your recollection? Is that you visited, but you weren't
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  Speaker 1: with Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor? Answer, that's my recollection. Because my recollection is,
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  Speaker 1: I went by taxi, and I just, I just recall
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  Speaker 1: it because the taxi driver was quite taken aback that
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  Speaker 1: he was going into Buckingham Palace. Question, so your recollection?
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  Speaker 1: is that you weren't with Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor when you toured
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  Speaker 1: Buckingham Palace, and he did not otherwise show you around London. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: that's correct. Question, and the two of you, or you rather,
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  Speaker 1: for either one of those activities, you were not joined
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  Speaker 1: by a young woman from Eastern Europe? Answer, that's correct. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to introduce as Minority Exhibit D, an email. Staley,
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  Speaker 1: can I make one clarification? Answer, sure. Question, years later,
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  Speaker 1: when I was working in London... I went to the
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  Speaker 1: palace on a couple of occasions. Question, and that is
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  Speaker 1: separate from the tour that you also recollect? Answer, yeah. Question,
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  Speaker 1: because those visits were not a tour? Answer, they were
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  Speaker 1: professional visits to the palace in my role with Barclays. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and when you say years later, when was that? Answer, well,
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  Speaker 1: that would have been from 2015 to 2021. Question, so
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  Speaker 1: the tour that you remember would have been some point
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  Speaker 1: between 2015? Answer, yeah. Question, I'd like to introduce as
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  Speaker 1: Minority Exhibit D, an email chain between you and Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein from the following day, June 16th, 2010. Bates number
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  Speaker 1: is EFTA 01300635. Question, in the first email you write, quote,
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  Speaker 1: is she free tonight? To which Mr. Epstein responds, just
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  Speaker 1: two minutes later, quote, call me. Who is she? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question, could it be the same woman
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  Speaker 1: from Eastern Europe? who Mr. Epstein and Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor were
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  Speaker 1: emailing about earlier? Answer, I don't know. Question, why would
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  Speaker 1: you be asking Mr. Epstein if a woman was free?
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  Speaker 1: Answer again, I don't recall this email. Question, I understand
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  Speaker 1: you don't recall the email, but why would you ask Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein if a woman was free? Answer, I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to speculate. Question, did you call Mr. Epstein in response
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  Speaker 1: to the email? Answer, I don't recall. Question, would you
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  Speaker 1: have typically called Mr. Epstein when he asked you to
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  Speaker 1: call him? Answer, yeah. Question, so you might have. Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I might have. But this is 16 years ago. Question,
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  Speaker 1: a few hours later, you respond with A. Is A
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  Speaker 1: Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor? Answer, seems like it. Question, what did you
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  Speaker 1: have to do with the previous conversation that you were
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  Speaker 1: having with Mr. Epstein? Answer, I don't know. Question, because
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  Speaker 1: you asked Mr. Epstein if a woman was free. He says,
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  Speaker 1: call me. And then later you say, I'm with A.
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  Speaker 1: So it would seem like those two things are connected, right? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question, were the two of you having dinner,
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  Speaker 1: as Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor had noted, for Mr. Epstein the day prior? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like it. Question, do you remember that dinner? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember having dinners with Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor generally? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have any recollection of any dinner with Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I had dinners with Prince Andrew. Question,
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  Speaker 1: so when... Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor tells Mr. Epstein that the two
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  Speaker 1: of you are having dinner together. He's wrong? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you just don't remember. Answer, that's correct. Question, do you
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  Speaker 1: remember if you were ever joined by any young woman
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  Speaker 1: from Eastern Europe? Answer, no. Question, based on these documents,
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  Speaker 1: it looks like Mr. Epstein introduced a young woman from
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  Speaker 1: Eastern Europe to you and Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor. Your testimony today
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  Speaker 1: is that you don't remember if that happened, correct? Answer, correct. Question,
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  Speaker 1: but it could have. Answer, I don't remember. Question, I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to discuss a series of emails that you were
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  Speaker 1: asked about in the prior round. You know, you've answered
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  Speaker 1: some questions about these, but I have some follow-up questions
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  Speaker 1: for you. I'd like to introduce as Minority Exhibit E,
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  Speaker 1: an email chain between you and Mr. Epstein from July 9th, 2010.
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  Speaker 1: The Bates number is EFTA00894090. Question, In the first email,
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  Speaker 1: you write to Mr. Epstein, quote, that was fun. Say
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  Speaker 1: hi to Snow White. Mr. Epstein responds, quote, what character
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  Speaker 1: would you like next? To which you reply, quote, Beauty
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  Speaker 1: and the Beast. Mr. Epstein then says, quote, well, one
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  Speaker 1: side is available. You said in the prior round that
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  Speaker 1: you have no idea who this person is, specifically who
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  Speaker 1: Snow White is. Is that correct? Answer, that's correct. Question
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to introduce as Minority Exhibit F. An email
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  Speaker 1: from the next day, July 10th, 2010. The Bates number
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  Speaker 1: is EFTA 007-41531. Question. The email is from a redacted
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  Speaker 1: individual to Mr. Epstein saying, quote, the Snow White was
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  Speaker 1: fucked twice as soon as she put her costume on.
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  Speaker 1: To be clear, the word is spelled F dot dot
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  Speaker 1: dot E-D, but we understand it to mean fucked. Mr. Staley.
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  Speaker 1: Was the Snow White who you referred to in the
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  Speaker 1: email the day before a young woman in a Snow
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  Speaker 1: White costume that Mr. Epstein arranged for you to have
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  Speaker 1: sex with? Answer again. I don't recall the Snow White individual,
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  Speaker 1: so the answer would be no. Question. Did you ever
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  Speaker 1: have sex with a young woman in a Snow White costume? Answer. No,
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  Speaker 1: I did not. Question. Never. Answer. Never. Question. Why would
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  Speaker 1: this young woman have sent this email to Mr. Epstein
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  Speaker 1: if the two of you had not had sex while
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  Speaker 1: she was wearing a Snow White costume, and if Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein had not instructed her to do so? Answer, I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea who else she was with. It has
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  Speaker 1: nothing to do with me, though. Question, but you sent
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  Speaker 1: an email to Mr. Epstein on July 9th. Answer, as
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  Speaker 1: I said, I may have. This is in his apartment.
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  Speaker 1: I may have seen her in the apartment and prompted
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  Speaker 1: that email, but I would not. But I was not
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  Speaker 1: with a person dressed as Snow White outside of potentially
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  Speaker 1: crossing at his apartment. Question, so you may have seen
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  Speaker 1: her in his apartment, later emailed Mr. Epstein and said,
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  Speaker 1: that was fun, but it was not because you had
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  Speaker 1: sex with her? Answer, that's correct. Question, why would you
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  Speaker 1: have asked Mr. Epstein to say hi to her then? Answer, maybe, I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, again, I probably crossed her in his apartment,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, just to say hi. Question, and then
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  Speaker 1: she emails him the next day saying, quote, the Snow
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  Speaker 1: White was fucked twice as soon as she put on
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  Speaker 1: the costumes. Would you agree that that's a pretty incredible
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  Speaker 1: coincidence that you email him on July 9th saying that
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  Speaker 1: was fun? Say hi to Snow White. And then she
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  Speaker 1: emails him the next day reporting back on something that
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  Speaker 1: just didn't have anything to do with you. Answer. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: Why not? Question. That's pretty hard to believe. His lawyer
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  Speaker 1: jumps in. That's not a question. All right, folks, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to wrap up right here. And in the next
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  Speaker 1: episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up
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  Speaker 1: where we left off. All the information that goes with
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  Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's
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  Speaker 1: up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.
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  Speaker 1: In this episode, we're going to pick up where we
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  Speaker 1: left off with Jeff Staley and his trip to Congress.
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  Speaker 1: Question I'd like to introduce as Minority Exhibit G, an
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  Speaker 1: email chain between Epstein and a redacted person dated June 20th, 2010.
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  Speaker 1: about two and a half weeks before you sent the
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  Speaker 1: email to Mr. Epstein telling him to say hi to
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  Speaker 1: Snow White. The date's number is EFTA 00735698. In the
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  Speaker 1: email chain, Mr. Epstein says, quote, I would love to
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  Speaker 1: take photos of you in a Snow White costume. You
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  Speaker 1: can get it from the costume store. I can represent
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  Speaker 1: to you based on in-camera review. of the unredacted version
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  Speaker 1: of this document that the individual is the same individual
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  Speaker 1: who sent the email to Mr. Epstein about Snow White.
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  Speaker 1: Lawyer for Jess Daly jumps in. Excuse me. Forgive me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm confused. I think I've lost track, but I think
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  Speaker 1: you said something that does not appear on the document.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right? Could you start again? It's only my confusion.
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  Speaker 1: I just didn't follow the question. Question. Question. If you
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  Speaker 1: look at the first line of the email, Mr. Epstein
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  Speaker 1: is referring to a big movie, Snow White. And then
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  Speaker 1: he says, quote, I would love to take photos of
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  Speaker 1: you in a Snow White costume. You can get it
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  Speaker 1: from the costume store. Question. And I can represent to
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  Speaker 1: you that Mr. Epstein is sending that email to the
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  Speaker 1: same woman who sent the email to him saying that
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  Speaker 1: Snow White was fucked. It appears looking at all these
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  Speaker 1: emails together that Mr. Epstein told this young woman to
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  Speaker 1: buy a Snow White costume. and then instructed her to
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  Speaker 1: have sex with you while wearing it. Your testimony today
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  Speaker 1: is that didn't happen, correct? Answer, where is he? Where
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  Speaker 1: is he instructing her to have sex with me? Question,
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  Speaker 1: I said it appears. Taking these emails together, that is
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  Speaker 1: what is happening here. He sends this woman an email
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  Speaker 1: on June 20th, which is about two and a half
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  Speaker 1: weeks before you send the email to him saying say
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  Speaker 1: hi to Snow White, which is one day before she
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  Speaker 1: sends the email to him saying that Snow White, was
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  Speaker 1: fucked twice. Mr. Sullivan, what's the question? Question, taken together
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  Speaker 1: based on those emails, it appears that Mr. Epstein told
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  Speaker 1: this young woman to buy a Snow White costume and
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  Speaker 1: then instructed her to have sex with you while wearing it. Staley,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's speculation on your part. Question, your testimony
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  Speaker 1: is that is not what happened? Answer, that's my testimony. Question, Mr. Staley,
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  Speaker 1: you've previously stated that you only had sex with one
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  Speaker 1: woman connected to Mr. Epstein. Answer, is that correct? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: that's correct. Question, would you like to correct that statement? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you previously testified that between July 2009 and the end
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  Speaker 1: of 2012, you went to Mr. Epstein's apartment in New
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  Speaker 1: York approximately 40 times or about once a month. Is
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  Speaker 1: that correct? Answer, yes. Question, when you visited Mr. Epstein's
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  Speaker 1: New York home, did you see girls or young women
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  Speaker 1: in the room when you would meet with Mr. Epstein? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: were there ever girls or young women sitting on his
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  Speaker 1: lap when you would talk to Mr. Epstein? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when you visited Mr. Epstein's New York home, did you
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  Speaker 1: ever go to the massage room? Answer, no. Question, you
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  Speaker 1: testified previously that you did see the room though, correct? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you said that was part of your tour that
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  Speaker 1: you took of the home? Answer, yes. Question, so you
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  Speaker 1: saw the room, but you didn't walk in it? Answer, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what did you see in the massage room? Answer. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I just saw like it was a dark wall, but
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  Speaker 1: I didn't really see anything in that room. Question. Where
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  Speaker 1: was the massage table? Answer. I don't recall. Question. Was
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  Speaker 1: there a basket of vibrators? Answer. I didn't see that. Question.
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  Speaker 1: You previously said that you did not receive a massage
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  Speaker 1: in the massage room. Is that correct? Answer. That's correct. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Did Mr. Epstein ever arrange massages for you anywhere else? Answer. No,
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  Speaker 1: he did not. Question. How many allegations of sexual abuse
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  Speaker 1: have been made against you? Answer. I think in the
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: lawsuit against JP Morgan, there was one allegation. It was never.
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  Speaker 1: It was never filed with me. Question. So the allegation
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  Speaker 1: is the only one you're aware of? Answer. Yes. Question.
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  Speaker 1: How many women have you settled sexual abuse claims with
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  Speaker 1: or otherwise entered into NDAs with? Answer. None. Question. Did
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  Speaker 1: you ever make payments to women that you had sexual
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  Speaker 1: relationships with? Answer. No. Question, have you ever paid or
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  Speaker 1: attempted to pay a minor girl for sex? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to introduce as Minority Exhibit H a memorandum
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  Speaker 1: to the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New
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  Speaker 1: York from Assistant U.S. Attorneys dated December 19, 2019. Bates
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  Speaker 1: number is EFTA 02731082. Question, the document we're handing you
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  Speaker 1: is an excerpt of a larger document. we have marked
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  Speaker 1: the relevant paragraph for you. Question. The memorandum describes law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement's October 24th, 2019 interview with a survivor who Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein started sexually abusing when she was about 20. As
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  Speaker 1: detailed in the memorandum, the survivor told law enforcement that Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein instructed her to quote, provide a massage to Jess
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  Speaker 1: Daly in Epstein's New York residence. The memorandum says that quote,
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  Speaker 1: redacted attempted to give him an ordinary massage but he
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  Speaker 1: forced Redacted to touch his genitals and then rape Redacted. Afterwards,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Redacted complained to Epstein, who said he left it to
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Redacted and Staley to decide whether to engage in sex.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: These were the allegations that you were referring to previously, correct?
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Or these are different allegations? Sullivan, he can't answer that
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: because it would require knowledge from counsel, but it's the
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: same woman that testified in the JP Morgan case that
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: made a complaint to the New York U.S. Attorney which
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: was found not credible. Question, did you ever force the
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: woman to touch her genitals in the context of a massage? Answer, no. Question,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: did you ever sexually abuse, assault, or rape a woman
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: in the context of a massage? Answer, no. Question, were
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: you ever violent with a woman in the context of
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: a massage? Answer, no. Question, I'd like to introduce as
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Minority Exhibit 1 an opinion in the class action that
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: survivors of Mr. Epstein's abuse brought against J.P. Morgan. Question
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the document we're handing you is an excerpt of a
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: larger document. On page 7, the second full paragraph reads, quote,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Plaintiff alleged that Mr. Staley had first-hand knowledge of Jeffrey
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Epstein's sex trafficking operation. Mr. Staley is alleged to have
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: visited Epstein's residences several times while that operation was ongoing,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and during these visits, observed JPM Jane Doe as a
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: sexual trafficking and abuse victim. On page 8, the first
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: full paragraph reads, quote, Plaintiff further alleged that Mr. Staley
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: himself abused some of Epstein's victims, including JPM Jane Doe herself.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: JPM Jane Doe claims that one of Mr. Epstein's friends,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: whom she later identified as Mr. Staley, used aggressive force
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: in his sexual assault of her, and informed JPM Jane
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Doe that Epstein's permission to do what he wanted to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: do to her. Did you sexually abuse and assault girls
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: or women that you met through Mr. Epstein? Answer, no. Question,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: did you ever tell a girl or a woman who Mr.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Epstein abused or trafficked that you had Mr. Epstein's permission to, quote,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: do what you wanted with her? Answer, no. Question, Mr. Staley,
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: we have credible information that you have aggressively, even violently
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: sexually assaulted multiple women connected to Mr. Epstein. We are
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: concerned that you are not being truthful in your answers.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Are there any statements that you have made today that
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you would like to correct for the record? Answer no.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Question with that? We'll pause and go to members for questions. Ms. Ansari,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: as you know, while he was in jail at the
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach Stockade, Mr. Epstein was allowed to leave the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: stockade for 12 hours a day, six days a week,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: ostensibly to work for his organization, the Florida Science Foundation,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: as part of the work release that he secured. Were
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you aware at the time that Mr. Epstein established the
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Florida Science Foundation, in November of 2007, just months after
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: he pleaded guilty, and that he dissolved it soon after
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: his sentence was completed? Staley, no. I know he used
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: an office building on work release when he was in
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: jail in Florida, but I didn't know how he constructed
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: it and whatnot. Question, so you weren't aware of the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: details of the foundation that was created. When did you
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: become aware of the timeline and terms of the office
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: that he used? Answer, I think he told me that
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: he was on work release, so I traveled a lot,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and one time we found a date where he was
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: on work release, and I could visit him in the
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: office building. Question, so to be clear, were you aware
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that there was a Florida Science Foundation? Answer, no, I
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: was not. Question, you were never aware of that. Answer,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: that there was a Florida Science Foundation? No. Question, yes,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: that is the organization he created. You were not aware
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: of it? Okay, regardless of that, Did you have any
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: concerns about the fact that he was able to get
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: work release and go to an office for that many
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: hours a day? Answer, no. Question, are you aware now
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: that some survivors have stated that Mr. Epstein abused them
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: at the Florida Science Foundation offices? Staley, no. Question, are
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: you aware that some of the women were hired as
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Florida Science Foundation staff? Answer, no. Question, so to this day,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: you have never heard that, even though there's been public testimony? Staley, no.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And sorry, okay. One of the women told this committee that, quote,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey offered me a position at the Florida Science Foundation
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to handle phone calls to help with my financial troubles.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: One day, a masseuse called me into the room where
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I was molested by Epstein. For the following three years,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I was subject to ongoing rape and stripped of my dignity.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was under house arrest for the molestation of
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: underage girls at the exact time that he was abusing me. Mr. Staley.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: You visited Mr. Epstein while he was on work release
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: in Florida. Is that correct? Staley, once. Ansari, once. Why
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: did you visit him there? Answer, he was in jail
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: and serving time for his offense that he pleaded to.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I had known him for a number of years and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I decided I should go visit him and I did. Question,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: so it was a friendly visit? Staley, yeah, I mean
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: it was. Question, do you recall how long you were there? Answer,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: there was a sheriff there and it lasted, I think
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it was four. Gets cut off by Ansari at the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: office or the jail. Staley at the office. Ansari, okay.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Staley and I was there for less than an hour. Question.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Did you participate in sexual abuse of any women at
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the Florida Science Foundation office? Answer, no. And again, there
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: was a police officer there while I was there. Ansari,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and you were aware that Mr. Epstein was sexually abusing
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: women at those offices? Staley, no. It seemed incredible to
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: me that if he's in jail for offenses, that he
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: would do something like that. And sorry, okay, that's my questions.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you. All right, we're going to wrap up right there.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: And in the next episode, dealing with the topic, we're
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: going to pick up with Ms. Stansberry. All the information
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: that goes with this episode can be found in the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: get right back to the Jess Daly story. Transcript from
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: his trip to Congress. Now we're picking up with Ms.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Stansberry asking the questions. Question. One quick follow-up on Representative
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Ansari's questions. You visited the office of the Florida Science Foundation, correct? Staley.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize what the Florida Science Foundation, but I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: visited Epstein at an office building, correct? Question. Okay, so
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: your testimony is that you visited him in an office
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: building for some organization and that you had no knowledge
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: of and were generally unaware of? Answer, that's correct. Question, okay.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Can I ask a follow-up question? So I guess what
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I'm struggling with is generally to understand your testimony. So
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the incident that was just described by Representative Ansari happened
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: in 2007. And your testimony that you just gave is
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that you remember it was less than an hour. You
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: remember who was present, including a sheriff, correct? Staley, that's
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: why I don't. whether we're talking about the same visit,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: because he was incarcerated. Mr. Sullivan jumps in, excuse me,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: excuse me. He could not have been in jail in 2007.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: He had not pled guilty until July of 2008. Stansberry, oh, okay, 2008. So, what?
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: But the date is 2007 or 2008. But the follow-up
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: question that I'm asking is actually not about that incident.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: It's more to establish the relevance that you recall the location,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you recall the setting, you recall the persons who were present.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: But when you were asked extensively by our council about
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: these incidents involving young women, including the so-called Snow White person,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: which happened years later in 2010, you're claiming you have
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: no knowledge and no memory of these exchanges that you
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: had with Mr. Epstein and engagement with these women. Staley, again,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: that's a long question. So I met in an office
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: building in Florida, I believe it was 2009, but I
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: have no recollection of Snow White, Stansberry. So your testimony
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: here today is... Staley, no. He gets cut off by Stansberry.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Clearly remember an incident in which Staley cuts her off again.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: And again, when I was at the office building with
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Epstein in 2009, there was a sheriff in the same
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: office the whole time. Stansberry, but the question is about
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: your memory. You're claiming that you can remember the interaction
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you had with Mr. Epstein when you went and made
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: a friendly visit while he was doing his sentence. But
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you have no recollection of these emails and exchanges that
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: you had over a woman who That was referenced as
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Snow White years later? That's your testimony here today? Staley,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: yes it is. Stansberry, okay. That's ridiculous, but thank you.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Now it's Mr. Submaranium. Thank you for coming in today.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Were you personally involved in conversations related to whether Jeffrey
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Epstein was a bank or a client of the bank? Staley, yes. Question,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: did you actively defend him when he was trying to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: get accounts? Answer, no. I left it to the bank's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: compliance department, legal department, and private bank to determine whether
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: he maintained an account. Question, so at no point did
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: you ever tell your colleagues that you vouched for him
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: in any way, or that you support him opening different
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: accounts at the bank. Staley, I went to visit him
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: when the allegations came out in 2006, and I said,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: he appeared shocked and denied the charges, but I let
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: the bank and its compliance department, legal department, and private
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: bank determine what and what type of business Epstein would
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: continue to do with the bank or not. Question, but
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: at no point did you ever say, we should bank
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: this guy. We should let him open accounts. And you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: what he did in the past shouldn't play into that. Staley,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the bank dramatically restricted what it would do with, what
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: it would allow Epstein to do with the bank. And I,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: you know, supported what the bank's decision was. Question, and
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the bank restricted it based on what criteria? Why would
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: the bank restrict him? Staley, I think given what he
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: was charged with, the bank, you know, made the decision
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: to no longer basically allow him to engage with a
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: private bank in investment activities, which is principally what they do.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: And I supported that decision. Question, but why was he
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: allowed to stay with the bank? Answer, I think basically,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: what he was left with was simply a checking account. Question,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: a checking account. And did you ever speak to Mr.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Jamie Diamond about Mr. Epstein? Staley, yes. Question, and when
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: was that? Staley, I believe once in 2006. When Epstein
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: was indicted, and I believe once in 2008, when Epstein
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: went to jail. Question, and did you speak to him
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: about Mr. Epstein's charges? Staley, Mr. Epstein gets cut off
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: by Submarinium did you speak to Mr. Diamond about Epstein's
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: charges Staley again I think in 2006 I think I
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: just mentioned that a client of the bank Jeffrey Epstein
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: had been indicted question so you did not speak to Mr.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Diamond Because I believe you've said under oath that you've
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: spoken to him about the fact that Mr. Epstein pleaded
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: guilty to one count of soliciting prostitution and one count
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: of soliciting prostitution from a minor. Staley, that was, that
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: was the second conversation. Summeranium, that was the second conversation.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: So you did talk to him. Because Mr. Diamond had
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: said under oath that he does not recall knowing anything
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: about Mr. Epstein until federal prosecutors charge Mr. Epstein... with
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: sex trafficking in 2019. So, I'm trying to understand why
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: there's two recollections here. Staley, I don't know. Question okay.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: That's all of my questions. Now we have Mr. Walkinshaw.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Mr. Staley. I'm James Walkinshaw from Virginia's 11th District.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: The New York Times reported last year that in 2011,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: you informed Mr. Epstein that there were concerns inside J.P.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Morgan about his large and irregular cash withdrawals. Did you
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: talk with Mr. Epstein about those concerns that existed within J.P. Morgan?
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: About his large cash withdrawals? Staley, can I see a
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: transcript of that? Walkinshaw, yeah. I don't know what the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: exhibit number is. I think we have the Exhibit J.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: A September 8th, 2025 New York Times article. How J.P.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Morgan enabled the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein. And my pages
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: aren't numbered, but it's page 23. See the paragraph on
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: page 23? It's a first full paragraph. At the request
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: of Langford and other executives? Yeah, I'm sorry, the paragraph
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: starts Staley and at least one other executive alerted Epstein. Sullivan,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I think he wants you to read it. Staley, yeah,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: let me read this. Question, if you need a few
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: minutes to read it, we can go off record. Staley, okay,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: thank you. So they go off record, he reads it,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: they're back on. Okay, Mr. Staley, in or around 2011,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: did you alert Mr. Epstein? About J.P. Morgan's heightened sensitivity
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: about his constant cash withdrawals? Staley, that's what this article says, yes. Question,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: do you recall alerting him to that heightened sensitivity? Answer again,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I don't recall the actual engagement, but quite possibly, yes.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: But I think I did, and I think Mary Erdos
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: did as well. Question, I'm sorry, can you say that
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: name again? Answer, I think I may have, and Mary Erdos. Walkinshaw, okay,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: so your testimony is that you may have alerted Epstein
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: to the bank's concern. Staley, yes. Question, okay. When you
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: perhaps informed Mr. Epstein that the bank was concerned about
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: these cash withdrawals, were you trying to help him alter
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: his behavior to avoid additional scrutiny? Staley, no. Question, what
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: would have been the purpose of alerting him to the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: sensitivity within the bank about his cash withdrawals? Why would
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you have done it? Staley, I was more sort of
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: asking him, is that true? Was he taking, you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: large cash withdrawals? Question, so presumably though, Your colleagues at
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: the bank would have told you that he was making
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: large cash withdrawals, so why would you need to ask him?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Question just, I guess, rhetorically saying that the bank is
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: asking about large cash withdrawals. Walkinshaw, okay, but it wasn't
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: for the purpose of helping him to change his behavior
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: so there wouldn't be additional uncomfortable questions asked within the bank. Staley, again,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I always let the private bank, and you know, and
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: its staff, if they had issues with Epstein, to take
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it with Epstein. if they had issues with his accounts,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: to do what they deemed to be appropriate. I never
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: stood in the way of that. Walkinshaw, but in this instance,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: you perhaps interfered. Answer, I wouldn't call it interference. Question,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you made a decision to tell, perhaps tell him, that
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: there were concerns within the bank. You weren't allowing others
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: within the bank to handle it. Staley, no. I think
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: other people, as I said, I think Mary Erdos talked
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: to him as well. Walkinshaw, okay. By this time in 2011...
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: there had been media reports that Mr. Epstein paid his
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: victims in cash. Did you ever have conversations with either Mr.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Epstein or with your colleagues at J.P. Morgan as to
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the fact that perhaps Mr. Epstein was paying sexual abuse
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: victims with these cash withdrawals that you discussed with him? Staley, no. Question,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: did it ever cross your mind that perhaps these large
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: cash withdrawals that you were aware of were related to
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: either sexual abuse or him having sex with girls or
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: young women? Staley, you know. you can go to jail for,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: you know, a year, and you've been convicted of abusing minors,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: it's just incredible to me that he would continue to
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: do it after he got out of jail. Walkinshaw, at
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: this point, you're a senior executive at J.P. Morgan. I
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: presume over the course of your career, you attend trainings, briefings,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: with respect to the role of the banks and large
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: cash withdrawals in human trafficking and sex trafficking. Is that correct? Staley,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I was sensitive to large cash withdrawals, yeah. Okay, question.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: So you have Jeffrey Epstein, who's a convicted sex offender.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: You then have knowledge he's making large cash withdrawals. You
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: see him regularly in the presence of young women. Mr. Staley, no.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Walkinshaw goes on. And it never crossed your mind that
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: these large cash withdrawals might have been connected to any
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: of the women that you saw in his presence? Staley, again.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't see young women in his presence. So that
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: part of your question, I think, is unfair. Question, how
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: would you define young women? Staley, again. What I saw
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: with his assistants, and I would say that they were
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: in their later early 20s. Walk and show, okay, that's
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: my time, thank you. So they're going to recess, so
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: we're going to take a break too. And in the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: up where we left off. And that's with Mr. Emmer
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: asking some questions. All the information that goes with this
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up everyone,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: off with Jeff Staley and his transcript from his trip
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: to Congress. Mr. Emmer, Mr. Staley, during the previous hour,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you were asked if you had visited Little St. James.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Answer, yes. Question, you were also asked
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: if you had visited Great St. James, correct? Answer, correct. Question,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: and you were asked about Great St. James you answered
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: in the affirmative. Was that the correct testimony? Answer, no.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I misspoke. I've never visited Great St. James. Emmer, thank you.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Question by Ms. Brignac. Mr. Staley, you mentioned that you
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: frequently visited Mr. Epstein's Manhattan townhouse at least dozens of times.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: For what purpose did you attend these meetings? Answer, generally,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: it would be on my way home. It would be
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: to sit and talk with Epstein about what was going on,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: both economically, politically, financial world, talked about what I was
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: doing at the bank, talked about people that he introduced
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: me to as part of his network. So, general conversation
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: around business and around the network that he had, and
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: it was of interest to me. Question, did your meetings
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: always take place at the Manhattan townhome? Answer, yes. Question, why? Answer,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: he used his dining room there as an office. So, oftentimes,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: when I would go there, there would be other people
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: there meeting with him. So, that was generally where he
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: met people. Question, can you list who else was at
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the attendance in these meetings? Answer, well, not with me,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: but that... We would have crossed. Question, yes. Answer, people
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: like Larry Summers, people like Sergey Brin, people like Ehud Barak,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: that type of people. Question to clarify, were these people
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: at the meeting? Or you would discuss them at the meetings? Answer,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: we would cross. So I would come and Ehud Barak
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: would be talking with Epstein. I would show up. We
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: would sort of overlap for a bit of time. Then
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Ehud Barak would leave. It would be more of a
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: type of an engagement. Question, did anyone else attend the
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: meetings with you and Epstein? Answer, no. Question, did you
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: ever see any young women around the Manhattan townhouse? Answer, no,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: I did not. Question, did you ever see his assistants
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: around the Manhattan townhouse? Answer, yes. Question, who? Answer, Leslie
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Groff mostly, Sarah Kellen, redacted. Yeah, those would be the
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: principal ones. Question, did you ever attend a party at
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: his Manhattan townhouse? Answer, a party? No. I don't believe, no,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I never attended a party there. Question, did you ever
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: have a drink at his Manhattan townhouse? Answer, yeah, sometimes.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: He would serve me a glass of wine. Question, did
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: you ever become intoxicated to the point where you would
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: likely not remember things that happened today? Answer, no. Question,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: before or during or after a meeting with Mr. Epstein,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: were you ever introduced to young women or girls? Answer, no. Question,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I'm entering Majority Exhibit 6 into the record. This is
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: an email from Leslie Groff to Mr. Epstein on September 23rd,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: 2014 with bait stamp EFTA 00362214. Question by Ms. Brignac
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: and we'll go off the record so you can review.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: They come back on. Question, what were you meeting with Mr.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Epstein about on September 23rd, 2014? Answer, I don't recall
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: what the meeting was about. Seemed like I was just
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: stopping by to say hi. Question, did any girls join you?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: During a conversation with Mr. Epstein? Answer, no. Question, did
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: you see any girls before or after saying hello to Mr. Epstein? Answer, no,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I did not. Question, do you know who the BBB
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: girls are? Answer, no, I don't. Question, who is Barbro
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and Bomb? Answer, no. Answer, I don't know. Question, has
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Redacted ever attended a meeting with you and Mr. Epstein? Answer,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. Question, we do have
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: DOJ documents that reflect Redacted did attend a meeting with
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: you and Mr. Epstein. Was there ever a meeting, do
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you recall, where a young woman attended with you and Mr. Epstein? Answer,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Redacted, so I don't recall that no. Question,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I'll now ask names that have been recorded in the
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: press as attending Mr. Epstein's townhouse meetings. Can you confirm
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: whether you were present for another individual's meeting with a
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: yes or no? Answer, what individual? Question, I'm going to
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: give you a list of names, and just give me
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: a yes or no if you ever attended a meeting
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: with this individual. Question, Bill Gates, answer yes. Steve Bannon,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: answer no. Question Woody Allen, answer we crossed. Question President
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, answer no. Noam Chomsky, answer I don't know.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Tom Pritzker, answer yes. Reid Hoffman, answer no. Mort Zuckerman,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: answer yes. Dick Cavett, answer no. Ehud Barak, answer yes.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Leon Black, answer yes. Question, did any of the individuals
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: you just listed... Engage in sexual misconduct during these visits
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: that you said yes to? Answer, no. Question, can you
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: describe the circumstances under which you met Bill Gates? Answer,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I met Bill Gates a couple of times in Seattle
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: when I was there on business trips. I met him
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: at a conference I believe was hosted by Microsoft. That's
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: my recollection of when I met him. Question, who introduced
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: you to Mr. Gates? Answer, Jeffrey Epstein. Question, was he
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: a client of Mr. Epstein? Answer, I don't know. I
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: don't think so. Question, did Mr. Epstein ever refer to
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Bill Gates as a client of J.P. Morgan? Answer, I
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: think Bill Gates was already a client of J.P. Morgan,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: my recollection, but I'm not sure. Question, were you involved
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: in Mr. Epstein's pitch to J.P. Morgan regarding the donor
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: advised fund for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation? Answer, yes. Question,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: what was your role? Answer, I was just aware of it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I think it was being handled by Mary Erdos. Question,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: what was this fund? Answer, I think the idea was
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: to create a fund or charity that where the private
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: bank would approach high net worth individuals to participate in
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the fund. And Bill Gates would be a major sponsor
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: of it. Question, was Mr. Epstein compensated by his work
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: on this deal? Answer, not by JP Morgan. Question, was
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: he compensated by anyone? Answer, I don't know. The deal
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: never happened, so. Question, why did the deal never happen? Answer,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I just think it never came together as a concept. Question,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: how did you meet Tom Pritzker? Answer, I think I
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: just met Tom Pritzker. He's a client of the bank. Question,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: do you recall what you met with him or where
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you met with him about Mr. Epstein? Answer again, I'm
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: not sure I met with Tom and with Epstein. My
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: recollection is I met with Tom Pritzker at their headquarters. Question,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: did you work with Mr. Epstein on any deal for Mr. Pritzker? Answer,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, no. Question, the Wall Street Journal
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: has reported in March of 2026 that you divulged confidential
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: information to Mr. Epstein. regarding financial dealings that JPMorgan Chase
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: was working on. What information did you divulge? Answer, what year? Question,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: this was reported in 2026, but the deal that they
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: found was in 2008. Question, do you know which deal
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: they're talking about? Or answer, excuse me, question, a deal
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: for the Pritzker family? Answer, no, I don't recall what
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the deal was. Question, would it be accurate to say
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: that you divulge bank communication with Federal Reserve on how
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: to stabilize the financial system? Answer, yeah. Question, did you
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: divulge any other market-moving information to Mr. Epstein? Answer, ask
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the question again, sorry. Question, did you divulge any other
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: market-moving information to Mr. Epstein? Answer, I don't think so, no. Question,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: would it be accurate to say, you also divulged that
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: JP Morgan was inundated by $ 44 billion in new assets
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: within two weeks? Answer, that's possible, yes. Question, so is
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: there any other information that you divulged to Mr. Epstein? Answer,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: it was a long time ago that you're talking about,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: so I apologize. I can't answer it. Question, I would
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: still like an answer to the question, though. Is there
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: any other information that you divulged? Answer, that I recall, no. Question,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: did you discuss JP Morgan salaries with Mr. Epstein? Answer,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I discussed my salary with Mr. Epstein, yes. Question, did
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: you understand at the time... that sharing the information was
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: a violation of your fiduciary duties to the bank? Answer, no. Question,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: why did you share information to Mr. Epstein? Answer, to
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: get his thoughts and ideas about it. Question, did Mr.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Epstein benefit from any information that you divulged? Answer, no,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: not that I'm aware of. Question, how did you meet
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Mort Zuckerman? Answer, I think I met him through Jeffrey Epstein. Question,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: why did he introduce you to Mort Zuckerman? Answer, I
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: think he was just thinking of doing, of starting a
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: publication with Mort Zuckerman. And I think we just crossed. Question,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: how did you meet Ehud Barak? Answer, I met Ehud
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Barak at Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse. And then we met in Israel.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: We also may have met in Davos. Question, did you
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: form a relationship with Mr. Barak after the introduction? Answer,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: more when he and I met in Israel, we developed
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: a relationship, but no. Yeah, I didn't stay in regular
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: contact with him or something like that. Question, Have you
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: ever flown on Mr. Epstein's private aircraft? Answer, yes. Question,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: how many times? Answer, I think I flew on the
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: 727 once. I think I flew on the Gulfstream plane
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: once or twice. Question, what were the occasions for this travel? Answer,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I think that once we were going to his island
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: with my family, I believe once going to Miami. I
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: think I flew by myself on that flight. That's what
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: I recall. Question, who was present on the other flights? Answer,
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the 727 flight. Question, yeah. You said on one occasion
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I flew alone. So who else was present on those flights? Answer.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: My family. Question. How many trips was your family present
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: with you on the travel? Answer. The whole family. Just one. Yeah,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: just one. Question. Were members of your family present on
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: other travels? Answer. No. I think it was just the
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: one travel to the Virgin Islands. Question. Why did they
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: attend this trip? Answer. I think my family went. I
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: think the Dubins went. We were invited by Epstein to
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: go to his island. So my family and I went
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: for a couple of days. Question, this was in February
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: of 2005, correct? Answer, I think that's right. Question, did
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: you ever witness young women or girls traveling on Mr.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Epstein's airplane? Answer, no, I did not. Question, did you
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: ever witness sexual activity on the plane? Answer, no. Question,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: has Mr. Epstein ever flown on a private plane of yours? Answer,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I've never owned a private plane. Question, have you ever
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: heard of sexual activity taking place on Mr. Epstein's plane? Answer, no. Question,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: in 2005, police in Palm Beach, Florida began investigating Mr.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Epstein for soliciting prostitution for minors. When did you first
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: become aware of that investigation? In 2005, 2006? Answer, when
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: it was printed in the Palm Beach Press. Question, when
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: would that exactly have been? Answer, I'm not exactly sure. 2005, 2006? Question,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: was J.E. ever on a plane leased or operated by you? Answer, no. Question,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: was Jeffrey Epstein ever on a plane leased or operated
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: by you? Answer, I've never leased or operated an airplane. Question,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: so you became aware of the investigation you believe sometime
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: in 2005, 2006 when it was published in the press.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: What did you do next? Answer, I think, I believe,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I went to his office and asked him. And I
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: reported back to the bank that I went and asked
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: him and reported that he was shocked or he seemed
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: shocked and that he denied the ages. And I reported
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: that back in an email to the bank. Question, what
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: did you say that led you to find him credible
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: in the moment? Answer, I've known Epstein for a number
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: of years, and his reaction seemed to be genuine. But again,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I just reported what I heard from him and saw
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: to the bank, so the bank had that. Question, and
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: who'd you report to in the bank? Answer, well, I
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: put it in an email, so I know it went
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: to Mary Erdos, but I have also, I may have
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: also reported it to Langford, who I believe was a
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: lawyer for the private bank at the time. Question, what
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: was their response? Answer, I think my recollection is the
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: bank had a group called the Rapid Response Team at Compliance,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: and they were responsible for, I think, reviewing things like this,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: and I believe the bank did review Epstein. Question, and
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: it published a report on this, correct? A Rapid Response Report? Answer,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I believe so. Question, there were internal discussions at this time.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Who all participated in these discussions? Answer, I think it
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: was members of the Rapid Response Team. I think it's
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: members from Legal, from Compliance, the people who ran the
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: banking group, but I was not part of those meetings. Question,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: were you part of any meetings? Answer, of the rapid
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: response team, not that I recall. All right, folks, we're
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: we left off. All the information that goes with this
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