Latest / Murder Files Unsealed / The Java Harris Homicide: A Prosecution Without a Body
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- 0:00Speaker 1: I want you to imagine, just for a second, the
- 0:04Speaker 1: absolute immediate suffocating chaos of a child going missing.
- 0:09Speaker 2: Oh, it's a terrifying thought.
- 0:10Speaker 1: Right. So set the scene in your mind. It is
- 0:14Speaker 1: June 30th. An urgent 911 call comes in around 8.15
- 0:19Speaker 1: in the evening.
- 0:19Speaker 2: Okay.
- 0:20Speaker 1: A mother is on the line and she's reporting that
- 0:23Speaker 1: her four-year-old daughter, little Java Harris, has just vanished.
- 0:27Speaker 2: Just completely gone. Yeah.
- 0:29Speaker 1: She says the child disappeared from her own front yard
- 0:32Speaker 1: while she was out playing near a chicken coop. Wow. And,
- 0:36Speaker 1: I mean, you know how this works. When a call
- 0:38Speaker 1: like that comes into a dispatch center, especially involving a
- 0:41Speaker 1: child that young, a very specific, massive apparatus of public
- 0:45Speaker 1: safety is triggered instantly. It is, yeah.
- 0:47Speaker 2: It's an immediate, full-scale mobilization. And for good reason, right?
- 0:51Speaker 2: In missing child cases, time is the absolute enemy. Law
- 0:54Speaker 2: enforcement operates under this protocol where The first few hours
- 0:58Speaker 2: are absolutely critical for a safe recovery.
- 1:00Speaker 1: Because the elements, the environment, everything is a threat. Exactly.
- 1:06Speaker 2: So you don't just see a single patrol car roll up.
- 1:08Speaker 2: You see this massive overlapping response from local, state, and
- 1:12Speaker 2: sometimes even federal agencies all converging on a single location.
- 1:16Speaker 1: Yeah. And they're operating under the presumption that a vulnerable
- 1:19Speaker 1: child is out there alone.
- 1:22Speaker 2: Right out there in the elements. And every passing minute,
- 1:25Speaker 2: you know, decreases the likelihood of a positive outcome.
- 1:28Speaker 1: We really need to look closer at the sheer scale
- 1:30Speaker 1: of what happened next in this specific case because the
- 1:34Speaker 1: community's response was just monumental.
- 1:37Speaker 2: It really was.
- 1:38Speaker 1: Over the next few days, you have more than 200
- 1:42Speaker 1: personnel hitting the ground in Aiken County.
- 1:44Speaker 2: 200 people. That's a massive deployment.
- 1:46Speaker 1: It's huge. You have helicopters in the air equipped with
- 1:50Speaker 1: thermal imaging cameras sweeping over the tree lines.
- 1:53Speaker 2: Trying to detect body heat in the brush, yeah. Exactly.
- 1:54Speaker 1: Exactly. You have drone operators coordinating search grids. You have
- 1:59Speaker 1: highly trained canine units with their noses to the ground
- 2:02Speaker 1: just trying to pick up a four-year-old scent trail.
- 2:05Speaker 2: And it wasn't just local cops either.
- 2:07Speaker 1: No, not at all. It wasn't just the local sheriff's deputies.
- 2:10Speaker 1: The South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, SLED, was called in.
- 2:14Speaker 1: And even the FBI joined the command center.
- 2:16Speaker 2: Which tells you how seriously they were taking this.
- 2:19Speaker 1: Right. The entire region is basically holding its breath, operating
- 2:22Speaker 1: under this singular driving narrative, which is, you know, Find Java,
- 2:26Speaker 1: bring her home.
- 2:27Speaker 2: And that narrative dictates every single action taken by those
- 2:31Speaker 2: 200 people on the ground. The entire operation is built
- 2:34Speaker 2: on hope and the adrenaline of a rescue mission. You've
- 2:37Speaker 2: got search and rescue volunteers, neighbors, off-duty officers.
- 2:40Speaker 1: People leaving their own jobs and families to help.
- 2:43Speaker 2: Exactly. They are pushing through physical exhaustion, driven by the
- 2:47Speaker 2: belief that this little girl needs them right now.
- 2:49Speaker 1: And logistically, that has to be a nightmare to manage.
- 2:52Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. A search of this magnitude requires an immense
- 2:56Speaker 2: allocation of resources. You are setting up mobile command posts,
- 2:59Speaker 2: you're coordinating communication across different radio frequencies for multiple agencies.
- 3:03Speaker 1: Managing volunteer logistics.
- 3:05Speaker 2: Right, establishing perimeters, all of it.
- 3:08Speaker 1: But, and here is where things take a turn. After
- 3:12Speaker 1: days of this intensive, frantic searching, the story takes a
- 3:16Speaker 1: pivot that completely shatters that whole rescue narrative.
- 3:19Speaker 2: It shatters it entirely.
- 3:21Speaker 1: Law enforcement eventually steps in front of the cameras, but
- 3:25Speaker 1: they don't have a rescued child. No. Instead, they come
- 3:29Speaker 1: forward with this horrifying claim. They announce that Janova wasn't
- 3:34Speaker 1: just missing. They claim she had already been dead for
- 3:37Speaker 1: at least a month before that 911 call on June
- 3:39Speaker 1: 30th was ever even made.
- 3:42Speaker 2: I mean, the magnitude of that deception is just chilling.
- 3:46Speaker 1: It's hard to even wrap your head around.
- 3:49Speaker 2: It really is. Because if the allegations hold true, it
- 3:51Speaker 2: forces a complete reevaluation of everything that happened from the
- 3:55Speaker 2: moment dispatch answered that call.
- 3:57Speaker 1: Right, because the whole search was a lie. Exactly.
- 4:01Speaker 2: We are looking at a scenario where a massive taxpayer-funded
- 4:05Speaker 2: apparatus of public safety, along with the emotional goodwill of
- 4:09Speaker 2: an entire community, was essentially weaponized to sell a fiction.
- 4:13Speaker 1: And that is exactly our mission for this deep dive.
- 4:16Speaker 1: We're going to break down the highly unusual anatomy of
- 4:19Speaker 1: this case.
- 4:20Speaker 2: There is a lot to unpack.
- 4:22Speaker 1: There is. We need to figure out the mechanics of
- 4:25Speaker 1: how a standard missing person search transforms into a homicide
- 4:28Speaker 1: investigation when there is literally no physical body.
- 4:32Speaker 2: Which is incredibly rare and difficult. Right.
- 4:35Speaker 1: We're going to examine the profound legal and evidentiary hurdles
- 4:38Speaker 1: involved in prosecuting a no-body murder case in South Carolina.
- 4:42Speaker 2: And we have to look at the parents, too.
- 4:44Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to look at what the public actions
- 4:46Speaker 1: of the parents reveal about the strategy of covering up
- 4:49Speaker 1: the unthinkable.
- 4:50Speaker 2: Because this isn't just about, you know, constructing a timeline
- 4:53Speaker 2: of alleged criminal behavior.
- 4:54Speaker 1: Right, it goes deeper than that.
- 4:56Speaker 2: It gives us a very clear window into the incredible
- 4:59Speaker 2: evidentiary burdens placed on our legal system when physical evidence
- 5:03Speaker 2: is missing.
- 5:03Speaker 1: The invisible evidence, right?
- 5:05Speaker 2: Exactly. The investigative techniques used to bridge those gaps are...
- 5:08Speaker 2: And also the tragic systemic blind spots in our child
- 5:11Speaker 2: welfare networks that allow a child to fall off the
- 5:14Speaker 2: radar to begin with.
- 5:15Speaker 1: Well, let's start with the illusion itself, the facade of
- 5:19Speaker 1: the missing child and that massive response it triggered.
- 5:21Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into it.
- 5:23Speaker 1: You have the mother, 22-year-old Mishla Herring, who is also
- 5:26Speaker 1: referred to in some of the source documents as Misher.
- 5:29Speaker 2: Right.
- 5:30Speaker 1: She makes that call on June 30th, claiming Java was
- 5:32Speaker 1: by the chicken coop and wandered off. And we just
- 5:35Speaker 1: detailed that massive deployment of resources that followed.
- 5:38Speaker 2: Which she watched happen.
- 5:40Speaker 1: Yes. I keep thinking about the psychological reality of maintaining
- 5:45Speaker 1: that lie while watching the response unfold.
- 5:48Speaker 2: It takes a very specific kind of mindset.
- 5:50Speaker 1: It's like intentionally pulling a five alarm fire switch, you know,
- 5:54Speaker 1: and watching the hook and ladder trucks roll in, watching
- 5:56Speaker 1: the firefighters gear up and rush toward the smoke, all
- 5:59Speaker 1: while you are standing on the sidewalk knowing full well
- 6:02Speaker 1: the house burned to the ground 30 days ago.
- 6:04Speaker 2: That's a really good analogy.
- 6:05Speaker 1: Like, How do perpetrators manage to stand on their front
- 6:09Speaker 1: lawn and watch 200 people tearing through the woods looking
- 6:12Speaker 1: for a ghost without breaking?
- 6:14Speaker 2: Well, it requires an astonishing level of psychological compartmentalization.
- 6:18Speaker 1: I would imagine so.
- 6:19Speaker 2: From a behavioral perspective, when individuals commit to a lie
- 6:22Speaker 2: of this magnitude, they often enter a state of hypervigilant performance.
- 6:27Speaker 1: So they're playing a role. Exactly.
- 6:29Speaker 2: They know that every word, every facial expression is being
- 6:32Speaker 2: scrutinized by police and the public.
- 6:34Speaker 1: But doesn't that eventually trip them up?
- 6:36Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. From an investigative standpoint, this dynamic is actually
- 6:41Speaker 2: highly advantageous to law enforcement in the long run.
- 6:44Speaker 1: Wait, really? How so?
- 6:45Speaker 2: Well, when police arrive at a missing child scene, they
- 6:48Speaker 2: operate on the presumption of truth. They have to.
- 6:50Speaker 1: Right. They can't start accusing the parents right away.
- 6:53Speaker 2: Exactly. They treat the parents as allies and victims of
- 6:56Speaker 2: circumstance because, statistically, that is the most likely reality.
- 7:01Speaker 1: Sure.
- 7:01Speaker 2: And alienating the parents right out of the gate could
- 7:03Speaker 2: cost precious time. If the child really is just lost
- 7:06Speaker 2: in the woods.
- 7:07Speaker 1: They need the parents to build a search profile. Like,
- 7:11Speaker 1: what was she wearing? What are her favorite hiding spots?
- 7:14Speaker 2: Yes, they need data. And here is the paradox of
- 7:17Speaker 2: fabricating a missing person report.
- 7:19Speaker 1: Okay.
- 7:20Speaker 2: To make the lie believable, you have to supply incredibly
- 7:23Speaker 2: specific details to keep the illusion going.
- 7:25Speaker 1: Right. You can't just say, I don't know. Exactly.
- 7:28Speaker 2: The parents have to build the set for the play
- 7:30Speaker 2: they are putting on. They have to point to the
- 7:32Speaker 2: chicken coop. They have to establish a rigid timeline of
- 7:35Speaker 2: when they supposedly last saw her.
- 7:37Speaker 1: And every single one of those details is a data
- 7:41Speaker 1: point that investigators can test.
- 7:43Speaker 2: Bingo.
- 7:44Speaker 1: So while the volunteers are out in the woods looking
- 7:46Speaker 1: under logs, the detectives are in the background, quietly cross-referencing
- 7:50Speaker 1: the parents' story with objective reality.
- 7:53Speaker 2: That is exactly what happens.
- 7:54Speaker 1: They are pulling phone records. They are canvassing neighbors for
- 7:58Speaker 1: ring doorbell footage. They are pulling financial records to see
- 8:01Speaker 1: when the parents last bought food or, you know, supplies
- 8:04Speaker 1: for the child.
- 8:05Speaker 2: That is the parallel track of modern police work.
- 8:07Speaker 1: The physical search versus the digital search?
- 8:10Speaker 2: Right. The physical search is the public face, but the
- 8:12Speaker 2: digital and investigative search is happening simultaneously behind closed doors.
- 8:17Speaker 1: And I assume the digital evidence doesn't lie. Never.
- 8:21Speaker 2: And when the detailed lies of the suspects inevitably collide
- 8:24Speaker 2: with the objective, verifiable evidence of reality, the illusion begins
- 8:28Speaker 2: to fracture.
- 8:29Speaker 1: It just falls apart. Yeah.
- 8:30Speaker 2: The detectives start to realize that the timeline provided by
- 8:33Speaker 2: the parents is fundamentally incompatible with the digital footprint of
- 8:37Speaker 2: the family.
- 8:38Speaker 1: Which brings us to the moment the facade publicly collapsed.
- 8:41Speaker 1: We go from this frantic, hopeful search to just a
- 8:46Speaker 1: devastating public realization. Yeah. July 4th. Exactly. On the 4th
- 8:51Speaker 1: of July, the Aiken County Sheriff, Marty Sawyer, steps up
- 8:54Speaker 1: to a podium for a press conference.
- 8:56Speaker 2: And he's a veteran.
- 8:57Speaker 1: Yes. This is a seasoned guy. He has a 36-year
- 9:00Speaker 1: career in law enforcement. You can imagine the spectrum of
- 9:03Speaker 1: human tragedy he has witnessed over nearly four decades.
- 9:06Speaker 2: He's seen it all. Right.
- 9:08Speaker 1: And he stands at that microphone and says this is the, quote,
- 9:12Speaker 1: hardest announcement he has ever had to make in his
- 9:15Speaker 1: entire career.
- 9:16Speaker 2: When a veteran law enforcement officer categorizes a specific moment
- 9:20Speaker 2: as his hardest after 36 years, it really speaks to
- 9:23Speaker 2: the visceral nature of what his team uncovered.
- 9:26Speaker 1: It's heavy. It is.
- 9:27Speaker 2: It indicates that the facts they discovered behind the scenes
- 9:29Speaker 2: were profoundly disturbing, likely involving a severe breach of trust
- 9:33Speaker 2: and the victimization of someone completely defenseless.
- 9:37Speaker 1: So he announces to the community that they believe four-year-old
- 9:40Speaker 1: Java is deceased. Right. But the detail that completely reframes
- 9:45Speaker 1: the entire case is when he drops the bombshell that
- 9:48Speaker 1: the investigation supports, she had been dead for at least
- 9:51Speaker 1: a month prior to that June 30th 911 call.
- 9:54Speaker 2: Which is just, it's mind-boggling.
- 9:57Speaker 1: He effectively shuts down the active rescue search right there.
- 10:00Speaker 1: and there and shifts it to a recovery mission, noting
- 10:03Speaker 1: they are now targeting an area of interest outside of
- 10:07Speaker 1: Aiken County.
- 10:08Speaker 2: And the gravity of making that kind of definitive public
- 10:11Speaker 2: statement without having recovered a body cannot be overstated.
- 10:14Speaker 1: Because what if he's wrong? Exactly.
- 10:16Speaker 2: Law enforcement agencies are inherently conservative when it comes to
- 10:19Speaker 2: managing public hope. They do not want to extinguish the
- 10:22Speaker 2: possibility of a rescue unless they are absolutely compelled to
- 10:25Speaker 2: do so by irrefutable facts.
- 10:27Speaker 1: So to abandon the search for a living child and
- 10:30Speaker 1: publicly declare a homicide, they must have crossed a major
- 10:34Speaker 1: evidentiary threshold.
- 10:35Speaker 2: A massive one.
- 10:37Speaker 1: If you were sitting at home, you have to be
- 10:38Speaker 1: wondering how that threshold is met. Like, if you do
- 10:42Speaker 1: not have a physical body, How do investigators know she
- 10:45Speaker 1: didn't just wander off a month earlier and get picked
- 10:47Speaker 1: up by a stranger?
- 10:48Speaker 2: Or a family member.
- 10:49Speaker 1: Right. How do you prove she didn't run away or
- 10:51Speaker 1: that there wasn't some terrible accident?
- 10:53Speaker 2: This is where we get into the invisible evidence.
- 10:57Speaker 1: Yes. Criminal defense attorney Tyler Bailey, who offered insight on
- 11:00Speaker 1: this case, brought up this concept. When you don't have
- 11:03Speaker 1: physical remains, you have to rely on the shadow the
- 11:06Speaker 1: victim cast while they were alive.
- 11:08Speaker 2: That's a great way to describe it.
- 11:10Speaker 1: I want to look closer at how digital forensics teams
- 11:12Speaker 1: actually rebuild a timeline in reverse to find out when
- 11:16Speaker 1: that shadow disappeared.
- 11:17Speaker 2: To understand this, we have to look at how a
- 11:19Speaker 2: person's life functions as a continuous stream of data.
- 11:23Speaker 1: Even a four-year-old?
- 11:24Speaker 2: Even a four-year-old. Obviously, she doesn't own a smartphone or
- 11:27Speaker 2: a credit card, but she generates a massive amount of
- 11:29Speaker 2: invisible evidence just by existing within a family unit.
- 11:32Speaker 1: Like what kind of data?
- 11:34Speaker 2: Investigators look for the sudden, inexplicable cessation of that data stream.
- 11:38Speaker 2: They look at medical records. Did she miss a scheduled
- 11:40Speaker 2: well child visit or a vaccination appointment in June?
- 11:44Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense.
- 11:45Speaker 2: They look at the parents' digital communications. When was the
- 11:48Speaker 2: last time the mother texted a photo of Java to
- 11:50Speaker 2: a grandparent?
- 11:51Speaker 1: So they are essentially scraping social media, looking for the
- 11:54Speaker 1: last time the child appeared in the background of a
- 11:56Speaker 1: video or a photo.
- 11:58Speaker 2: Exactly. And they are looking at the metadata of those
- 12:01Speaker 2: files to pinpoint exact dates and times.
- 12:03Speaker 1: The metadata provides hard chronological facts.
- 12:07Speaker 2: Right, but the investigation goes even deeper into forensic data,
- 12:10Speaker 2: particularly cell tower telemetry.
- 12:12Speaker 1: Cell phone pings.
- 12:13Speaker 2: Yeah, a cell phone is constantly pinging nearby towers to
- 12:16Speaker 2: maintain a connection, even when you aren't using it. Investigators
- 12:20Speaker 2: can obtain warrants for the parents' cell phone location data
- 12:22Speaker 2: going back weeks or even months.
- 12:25Speaker 1: And what are they looking for in that data?
- 12:27Speaker 2: They are looking for anomalies. The sheriff specifically mentioned an
- 12:30Speaker 2: area of interest outside the county, right?
- 12:33Speaker 1: Yes, he did.
- 12:34Speaker 2: That strongly suggests that the location data from one or
- 12:37Speaker 2: both of the parents' phones showed a highly unusual trip
- 12:40Speaker 2: to a remote area outside their normal routine.
- 12:42Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
- 12:43Speaker 2: And likely weeks before they called 911.
- 12:46Speaker 1: So if a parent's phone pings a tower near a
- 12:49Speaker 1: wooded area two counties over at, say, 3 a.m. on
- 12:52Speaker 1: June 2nd, and they have no logical reason to be there,
- 12:55Speaker 1: that becomes a massive red flag.
- 12:58Speaker 2: It becomes the very foundation of the circumstantial case.
- 13:02Speaker 1: It's the smoking gun, basically.
- 13:03Speaker 2: Essentially, yeah. Then investigators cross-reference that location data with witness statements.
- 13:08Speaker 2: They canvas the neighborhood and ask, when was the last
- 13:11Speaker 2: time you physically saw Jaya playing outside?
- 13:13Speaker 1: And if the parents claim she was there all through June,
- 13:16Speaker 1: but every neighbor says they haven't seen her since late May?
- 13:19Speaker 2: The lie is exposed. It is the combination of these factors.
- 13:23Speaker 2: The sudden end of the child's physical presence, the cessation
- 13:26Speaker 2: of her digital footprint, the anomalous movements of the parents,
- 13:29Speaker 2: and their inability to provide a verifiable explanation.
- 13:32Speaker 1: It all builds on itself.
- 13:34Speaker 2: Right. It allows police to build a wall of circumstantial
- 13:37Speaker 2: facts so tight that the only logical conclusion left is death.
- 13:41Speaker 1: But, and this is a big but, convincing a sheriff
- 13:45Speaker 1: that a child is deceased based on digital anomalies and
- 13:48Speaker 1: witness statements is one thing.
- 13:49Speaker 2: Yes.
- 13:50Speaker 1: Proving it in a court of law beyond a reasonable
- 13:52Speaker 1: doubt to a jury of 12 people when you don't
- 13:55Speaker 1: have the victim's body. That moves us into a completely
- 13:58Speaker 1: different arena.
- 13:58Speaker 2: It's a totally different ballgame.
- 14:00Speaker 1: We are looking at the legal labyrinth of prosecuting a
- 14:03Speaker 1: no-body homicide, which is notoriously difficult.
- 14:07Speaker 2: Incredibly difficult.
- 14:08Speaker 1: Let's lay out the specific charges here. The mother, Michaela Herring,
- 14:12Speaker 1: is charged with homicide by child abuse. And she also
- 14:15Speaker 1: has a separate charge for filing a false police report
- 14:18Speaker 1: of a felony violation.
- 14:19Speaker 2: Right, because of the 911 call.
- 14:21Speaker 1: Exactly. And the father, 23-year-old Jamarius Harris, is also charged
- 14:25Speaker 1: with homicide by child abuse. And the stakes here are
- 14:28Speaker 1: just life-altering. Homicide by child abuse in South Carolina carries
- 14:32Speaker 1: a sentence of 20 years to life in prison.
- 14:35Speaker 2: We saw the immediate procedural reality of those stakes at
- 14:38Speaker 2: their initial bond hearing, actually.
- 14:39Speaker 1: Yeah, the magistrate judge denied their bond, right? He did.
- 14:43Speaker 2: But as we look closely at South Carolina law, this
- 14:46Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily a punitive denial based on flight risk or
- 14:49Speaker 2: danger to the community, which is, you know, typical.
- 14:51Speaker 1: What was it then?
- 14:52Speaker 2: It was a procedural roadblock. Magistrate courts in South Carolina
- 14:56Speaker 2: simply do not have the legal jurisdiction to set bond
- 14:58Speaker 2: for crimes that carry a potential life sentence.
- 15:01Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
- 15:02Speaker 2: It has to be elevated to a circuit court judge,
- 15:04Speaker 2: and that process can take up to 30 days.
- 15:06Speaker 1: So they are sitting in jail for up to a
- 15:08Speaker 1: month before they even have a chance to argue for bail. Exactly.
- 15:11Speaker 1: That procedural delay immediately sets a very intense tone for
- 15:15Speaker 1: the defense and gives the prosecution a significant window of leverage.
- 15:19Speaker 2: It certainly does.
- 15:21Speaker 1: But the court issue here is the evidentiary void. Attorney
- 15:25Speaker 1: Tyler Bailey emphasized that while South Carolina law absolutely allows
- 15:29Speaker 1: for the prosecution of a homicide without a body using
- 15:32Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence, the tactical vulnerability for the state is immense.
- 15:37Speaker 2: It's a huge hurdle.
- 15:39Speaker 1: I want to frame what the prosecutors are up against
- 15:41Speaker 1: with an analogy.
- 15:42Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.
- 15:43Speaker 1: Imagine trying to convince a jury that a highly specific
- 15:46Speaker 1: rare book was deliberately burned in a fire by the defendant.
- 15:50Speaker 1: All right. But you don't have the ashes. You don't
- 15:52Speaker 1: have the scorched cover. You don't even have the fireplace
- 15:56Speaker 1: where it supposedly happened. All you have is a library
- 15:58Speaker 1: card showing the defendant checked the book out and a
- 16:01Speaker 1: database showing it was never returned.
- 16:03Speaker 2: That's tough.
- 16:04Speaker 1: Even if you can prove the defendant is a liar,
- 16:07Speaker 1: how on earth do you prove how the book was
- 16:09Speaker 1: destroyed without the physical evidence?
- 16:11Speaker 2: That analogy perfectly highlights the concept of corpus delicti.
- 16:15Speaker 1: Corpus delicti. What does that mean exactly?
- 16:18Speaker 2: It's a fundamental principle in criminal law which translates to
- 16:21Speaker 2: the body of the crime.
- 16:24Speaker 1: So it means you literally need a body.
- 16:26Speaker 2: Not necessarily a physical human body, but it means the
- 16:29Speaker 2: prosecution must prove that a crime has actually occurred before
- 16:32Speaker 2: someone can be convicted of committing it.
- 16:34Speaker 1: Ah, okay.
- 16:35Speaker 2: In a murder trial, the victim's physical body and the
- 16:38Speaker 2: subsequent autopsy report form the bedrock of corpus delicti.
- 16:42Speaker 1: Because the autopsy tells you what happened. Exactly.
- 16:44Speaker 2: Without a body, you don't have a medical examiner who
- 16:47Speaker 2: can take the stand and definitively establish the cause and
- 16:50Speaker 2: manner of death. They cannot point to a mechanism of injury.
- 16:53Speaker 1: So they can't say, you know, was it blunt force trauma?
- 16:56Speaker 1: Was it prolonged malnutrition? Was it drowning?
- 16:59Speaker 2: They can't answer any of that.
- 17:01Speaker 1: The prosecution can't answer the most basic questions a jury
- 17:04Speaker 1: is inherently going to have.
- 17:05Speaker 2: And that absence of physical proof gives defense attorneys a
- 17:08Speaker 2: massive canvas to work with.
- 17:10Speaker 1: I can imagine.
- 17:11Speaker 2: Their entire job is to introduce reasonable doubt. And when
- 17:13Speaker 2: there is no body, reasonable doubt is baked right into
- 17:16Speaker 2: the premise of the trial.
- 17:18Speaker 1: So what does that defense strategy look like in a courtroom?
- 17:21Speaker 2: The defense strategy in a no body case is almost
- 17:24Speaker 2: entirely based on offering alternative non-criminal explanations for the disappearance
- 17:29Speaker 2: that the state cannot completely disprove.
- 17:31Speaker 1: Okay, like what?
- 17:32Speaker 2: The defense attorney will stand before the jury and say,
- 17:35Speaker 2: the state claims this child was abused to death. Where
- 17:38Speaker 2: is the physical proof of abuse? They claim she was murdered.
- 17:41Speaker 2: Where is the proof it wasn't a tragic, unforeseen accident? Wow.
- 17:45Speaker 2: They'll say, what if the child choked on a small
- 17:47Speaker 2: toy or had a sudden medical emergency and the parents,
- 17:50Speaker 2: in a state of sheer panic and fear of a
- 17:52Speaker 2: system they didn't trust, hid the body?
- 17:55Speaker 1: Jesus. So the defense doesn't even necessarily have to convince
- 17:58Speaker 1: the jury that the child is still alive.
- 18:01Speaker 2: Not at all.
- 18:02Speaker 1: They just have to float the idea that The death
- 18:04Speaker 1: was accidental. And because the state doesn't have the body
- 18:07Speaker 1: to prove it wasn't accidental, that creates the reasonable doubt
- 18:11Speaker 1: necessary for an acquittal on a murder charge?
- 18:14Speaker 2: That is the immense hurdle for the prosecution right there.
- 18:17Speaker 1: That is wild.
- 18:19Speaker 2: They must rely on proving a chain of circumstantial events
- 18:22Speaker 2: so incredibly tight, so logically interlocked, that no other rational
- 18:26Speaker 2: explanation can survive in the minds of the jury.
- 18:28Speaker 1: They have to prove not just that the parents lied,
- 18:31Speaker 1: but that criminal conduct actually occurred and that this specific
- 18:34Speaker 1: criminal conduct led directly to the death. Exactly. The sheriff
- 18:38Speaker 1: hinted that they might be building an even larger case
- 18:41Speaker 1: behind the scenes to try and force that issue. He did. Yeah.
- 18:44Speaker 1: He mentioned that more charges could be coming. Tyler Bailey
- 18:48Speaker 1: broke down what those potential charges might look like. We
- 18:51Speaker 1: could be talking about upgraded murder charges, which, you know,
- 18:54Speaker 1: depending on the aggravating factors could could bring the death
- 18:57Speaker 1: penalty onto the table in South Carolina.
- 18:59Speaker 2: Which completely changes the pressure dynamic.
- 19:01Speaker 1: Right. Or they could be looking at charges like accessory
- 19:04Speaker 1: after the fact or obstruction of justice. It seems clear
- 19:08Speaker 1: that law enforcement is casting a very wide net, applying
- 19:12Speaker 1: maximum legal pressure to see how the suspects react.
- 19:16Speaker 2: And applying that kind of pressure is a classic investigative strategy,
- 19:19Speaker 2: especially when facing a wall of silence or, you know, deception.
- 19:23Speaker 1: They want someone to flip.
- 19:24Speaker 2: Absolutely. When you have two co-defendants staring down the barrel
- 19:28Speaker 2: of 20 years to life, plus a mountain of circumstantial
- 19:31Speaker 2: evidence regarding their movements and digital footprints, the alliance between
- 19:35Speaker 2: them almost always begins to show stress fractures.
- 19:38Speaker 1: Which brings us to the fascinating and honestly bizarre behavior
- 19:42Speaker 1: of the father and this co-defendant dilemma that is clearly
- 19:45Speaker 1: taking shape.
- 19:46Speaker 2: Yeah, his actions were very strange.
- 19:49Speaker 1: Right. While the massive search was still active, and to
- 19:52Speaker 1: be clear, this is before the 4th of July press conference,
- 19:55Speaker 1: where the sheriff announced Java had been dead for a month,
- 19:58Speaker 1: a reporter named Will Rio managed to get the father,
- 20:01Speaker 1: Jamari Harris, on the phone for an interview on July 2nd.
- 20:04Speaker 2: And the decision-making process of a suspect choosing to inject
- 20:07Speaker 2: themselves into the media narrative during an active investigation is
- 20:10Speaker 2: just highly, highly risky.
- 20:13Speaker 1: Why do they do it?
- 20:14Speaker 2: Control, mostly. But defense attorneys universally advise against it because
- 20:18Speaker 2: every single word spoken to the media is a potential
- 20:21Speaker 2: evidentiary trap.
- 20:22Speaker 1: It is a massive risk. And if we break down
- 20:25Speaker 1: his timeline from that interview, it is hyper-specific.
- 20:29Speaker 2: Almost too specific.
- 20:30Speaker 1: Exactly. Jamari claims he got up around 5-ish in the morning.
- 20:34Speaker 1: He says his daughter was outside playing and was being
- 20:36Speaker 1: watched by his girlfriend, Mykla.
- 20:39Speaker 2: Notice how he shifts the responsibility there.
- 20:41Speaker 1: Right. He claims he left the house around 7 a.m.
- 20:44Speaker 1: and got back around 7.15. In that tiny 15-minute window,
- 20:49Speaker 1: he says he went to, like, three stores and mentions
- 20:52Speaker 1: being at a washing machine near a Circle K.
- 20:54Speaker 2: Three stores in 15 minutes. Yeah.
- 20:57Speaker 1: He even notes seeing a lot of police at the
- 20:59Speaker 1: Circle K, but claims he didn't know the response was
- 21:01Speaker 1: for his house.
- 21:03Speaker 2: Which is convenient.
- 21:04Speaker 1: And finally, he says his girlfriend didn't have cell service,
- 21:07Speaker 1: had to call 911, and came running up to him crying,
- 21:10Speaker 1: saying Java was missing.
- 21:12Speaker 2: The level of detail he provides for an allegedly routine
- 21:15Speaker 2: morning is a masterclass in the psychology of a constructed alibi.
- 21:18Speaker 1: It feels very rehearsed.
- 21:20Speaker 2: It does. When you contrast his minute-by-minute breakdown, you know,
- 21:24Speaker 2: 5 a.m., 7 a.m., 7.15 a.m., three stores, the broken
- 21:28Speaker 2: cell service, the washing machine, Against the terrifying reality alleged
- 21:32Speaker 2: by police that the child had already been dead for
- 21:35Speaker 2: 30 days, it becomes deeply chilling.
- 21:39Speaker 1: It really does.
- 21:40Speaker 2: He is attempting to build a verifiable timeline for a
- 21:43Speaker 2: Tuesday in July to mask an event that supposedly happened
- 21:47Speaker 2: in May.
- 21:48Speaker 1: But what is the strategic goal here? Like, is this arrogance,
- 21:52Speaker 1: thinking he can outsmart the police? Is it pure panic?
- 21:56Speaker 1: Or is it a highly calculated move to start setting
- 21:58Speaker 1: up his legal defense early, by distancing himself from the
- 22:02Speaker 1: exact moment of the alleged disappearance.
- 22:04Speaker 2: It's likely a mix, but strategically, it's very calculated.
- 22:08Speaker 1: Because by placing himself at the Circle K, and specifically
- 22:12Speaker 1: stating that his girlfriend was the one watching Java, he
- 22:15Speaker 1: is very clearly establishing that he was not present when
- 22:18Speaker 1: the child vanished.
- 22:20Speaker 2: And this dynamic is a textbook, real-world example of the
- 22:24Speaker 2: Prisoner's Dilemma.
- 22:25Speaker 1: The Prisoner's Dilemma. I've heard of that. It's a concept
- 22:28Speaker 1: from game theory, right?
- 22:30Speaker 2: Yes, often applied in legal strategy. The idea is that
- 22:33Speaker 2: when two people commit a crime, their interests are completely
- 22:36Speaker 2: aligned right up until the moment they are caught.
- 22:39Speaker 1: They agree on the cover story.
- 22:41Speaker 2: Right. They are a unified front. But the moment they
- 22:44Speaker 2: face severe, life-altering penalties, their interests diverge.
- 22:49Speaker 1: Because it becomes every man for himself. Exactly.
- 22:52Speaker 2: Each realizes that the most optimal strategy to save themselves,
- 22:56Speaker 2: or to at least minimize their sentences, is to be
- 22:59Speaker 2: the first one to cooperate with the state and point
- 23:01Speaker 2: the finger at the other person.
- 23:03Speaker 1: It becomes a race to the prosecutor's office to cut
- 23:05Speaker 1: a deal.
- 23:06Speaker 2: Yes, it does. And we can already see the structural
- 23:09Speaker 2: architecture of that blame game reflected in the charges themselves.
- 23:13Speaker 1: What do you mean?
- 23:14Speaker 2: Look at the mother, Meechla Herring. She is the only
- 23:17Speaker 2: one charged with filing the false police report.
- 23:20Speaker 1: Oh, because she's the one who physically dialed 911 on
- 23:23Speaker 1: June 30th.
- 23:24Speaker 2: Exactly.
- 23:25Speaker 1: Okay, I see where you're going. That false report charge
- 23:28Speaker 1: could easily be used as a wedge by the father's defense.
- 23:31Speaker 2: A massive wedge.
- 23:32Speaker 1: He can argue, look, she's the one who lied to
- 23:35Speaker 1: the police. She made the call. She was the one
- 23:37Speaker 1: watching the child. I was at the Circle K doing laundry.
- 23:40Speaker 2: Precisely. He is trying to insulate himself from both the
- 23:44Speaker 2: obstruction of justice and the responsibility of supervision.
- 23:47Speaker 1: He is crafting a narrative designed to make him a
- 23:50Speaker 1: mere bystander to his own child's demise.
- 23:53Speaker 2: But as Attorney Bailey astutely pointed out, making those hyper-specific
- 23:57Speaker 2: claims to a reporter provides law enforcement with a highly
- 24:00Speaker 2: detailed map to dismantle his alibi.
- 24:02Speaker 1: Because of the digital trail again. Right.
- 24:05Speaker 2: In modern investigations, you cannot lie about your location without
- 24:08Speaker 2: leaving a trail.
- 24:09Speaker 1: So when he claims he was at the Circle K
- 24:11Speaker 1: at 7.15 a.m., detectives don't just take his word for it. No.
- 24:15Speaker 2: They issue geofence warrants to Google or Apple to see
- 24:18Speaker 2: if his mobile device was physically present. within the geographic
- 24:21Speaker 2: coordinates of that specific Circle K at that exact time.
- 24:24Speaker 1: They pulled the CCTV footage from the gas station, right? Yes.
- 24:27Speaker 2: And the cameras from the three stores he claims he visited?
- 24:30Speaker 1: The traffic cameras at the intersections he would have crossed
- 24:32Speaker 1: to get there.
- 24:33Speaker 2: They cross-referenced the timestamps on the video with the telemetry
- 24:36Speaker 2: data from his vehicle.
- 24:38Speaker 1: And if they review all that data and find that
- 24:40Speaker 1: he was never at the Circle K on July 2nd?
- 24:42Speaker 1: Or if the footage shows him doing something entirely different?
- 24:46Speaker 2: He has locked himself into a verifiable lie.
- 24:49Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 24:50Speaker 2: When the timeline of a dead child is proven to
- 24:52Speaker 2: be a month earlier, a highly detailed, demonstrably false alibi
- 24:56Speaker 2: for a random Tuesday in July transforms from a mere
- 25:00Speaker 2: lie into powerful circumstantial evidence of a coordinated, premeditated cover-up.
- 25:05Speaker 1: It shows consciousness of guilt.
- 25:08Speaker 2: It screams consciousness of guilt.
- 25:10Speaker 1: The technical reality of proving him wrong is staggering. But,
- 25:14Speaker 1: you know, beyond the forensic data and the legal maneuvers,
- 25:17Speaker 1: this fractured, blame-shifting dynamic between the parents points to a
- 25:22Speaker 1: deeply chaotic and toxic home life.
- 25:25Speaker 2: It really does.
- 25:27Speaker 1: And this forces us to look past the investigative mechanics
- 25:29Speaker 1: for a moment and confront the very real, very tragic
- 25:33Speaker 1: human element of the story.
- 25:35Speaker 2: Which is often the hardest part to stomach.
- 25:37Speaker 1: We need to look at the systemic failures, the deeply
- 25:40Speaker 1: unsettling video artifact left behind, and the family dynamics swirling
- 25:44Speaker 1: around little Java.
- 25:46Speaker 2: This is often the most difficult aspect of these cases
- 25:49Speaker 2: to analyze.
- 25:49Speaker 1: Because it's so raw. Yeah.
- 25:51Speaker 2: It moves away from the clinical nature of cell tower
- 25:54Speaker 2: pings and court jurisdictions and forces us to examine the
- 25:57Speaker 2: environment that allowed a vulnerable child to be allegedly abused
- 26:01Speaker 2: to death without anyone intervening.
- 26:04Speaker 1: It creates this profound emotional whiplash.
- 26:07Speaker 2: How so?
- 26:07Speaker 1: Because at the exact same time these parents were allegedly
- 26:10Speaker 1: concealing the death of a four-year-old for an entire month,
- 26:13Speaker 1: Authorities confirmed during that same press conference that the mother
- 26:17Speaker 1: had recently given birth to another child. Oh, wow.
- 26:20Speaker 2: Yeah, the psychological dissonance required to bring a new life
- 26:23Speaker 2: into the world, to go through the medical process of
- 26:26Speaker 2: childbirth while actively hiding the death of your other child.
- 26:30Speaker 1: It's incredibly difficult to comprehend. It is.
- 26:34Speaker 2: It raises urgent, complex questions about the stability of that
- 26:37Speaker 2: home environment. And naturally, the presence of a newborn immediately
- 26:41Speaker 2: triggered the involvement of the Department of Social Services.
- 26:44Speaker 1: Right. The source material notes that both parents were ordered
- 26:47Speaker 1: to comply with DSS requirements, and DSS is actively involved
- 26:52Speaker 1: in assessing the placement and safety of this new baby.
- 26:56Speaker 2: Which is standard, thankfully.
- 26:58Speaker 1: But from a legal defense standpoint, Tyler Bailey raised a
- 27:01Speaker 1: fascinating point regarding the timing of this birth. He questioned
- 27:05Speaker 1: whether the mother's state of mind heavily influenced by her
- 27:09Speaker 1: recent pregnancy and childbirth, could spawn specific legal defenses. He
- 27:14Speaker 1: explicitly mentioned postpartum issues. Right.
- 27:17Speaker 2: Postpartum psychosis or severe postpartum depression is a defense strategy
- 27:22Speaker 2: frequently explored in cases involving maternal violence or profound neglect.
- 27:26Speaker 1: So how would that work in court?
- 27:28Speaker 2: The defense attorney might argue that the mother was suffering
- 27:31Speaker 2: from a documented severe psychological break that fundamentally impaired her judgment.
- 27:36Speaker 1: So they would claim she wasn't in her right mind. Exactly.
- 27:40Speaker 2: They might argue this medical condition made her incapable of
- 27:43Speaker 2: seeking help for Java or entirely incapable of protecting her
- 27:46Speaker 2: child from an abusive partner.
- 27:48Speaker 1: How does the jury even evaluate something like that? It
- 27:51Speaker 1: sounds so subjective.
- 27:52Speaker 2: It relies heavily on medical records, psychiatric evaluations, and expert testimony.
- 27:57Speaker 1: So it's a battle of the experts.
- 28:00Speaker 2: Pretty much. The defense has to prove that the mental
- 28:02Speaker 2: defect was so severe that she could not comprehend the
- 28:05Speaker 2: criminality of her actions at the time.
- 28:07Speaker 1: Whether that defense has merit in this specific case, I guess,
- 28:11Speaker 1: depends entirely on what those medical evaluations reveal.
- 28:15Speaker 2: It does, but it adds an incredibly complex layer of
- 28:18Speaker 2: nuance to how a jury might perceive her ultimate culpability,
- 28:22Speaker 2: especially if the defense argues she was somehow dominated by
- 28:25Speaker 2: her co-defendant.
- 28:27Speaker 1: But the tragedy doesn't stop with the systemic response after
- 28:30Speaker 1: the fact. There is a digital artifact in this case
- 28:33Speaker 1: that is just haunting.
- 28:35Speaker 2: The video. Yes.
- 28:37Speaker 1: There is a video of Java that was posted online.
- 28:40Speaker 1: In the video, someone off-camera asks her, hey, what do
- 28:43Speaker 1: you want to say about the baby?
- 28:45Speaker 2: And it's framed as this casual, everyday family moment.
- 28:49Speaker 1: Right. But when you look closer, and observing people online
- 28:52Speaker 1: notice this almost immediately, there appears to be a very
- 28:56Speaker 1: noticeable bump or mark on Java's head.
- 28:59Speaker 2: We must approach this carefully from an analytical standpoint, of course.
- 29:02Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
- 29:04Speaker 2: We do not know the exact date that video was recorded,
- 29:07Speaker 2: and we cannot definitively, forensically link that specific mark to
- 29:11Speaker 2: her cause of death.
- 29:12Speaker 1: Because kids are kids. Right.
- 29:14Speaker 2: Children are active. They get bumps and bruises from playgrounds
- 29:17Speaker 2: and bicycles all the time.
- 29:18Speaker 1: But if we connect this single piece of media to
- 29:21Speaker 1: the broader, tragic theme of child abuse investigations.
- 29:25Speaker 2: It highlights a terrifying pattern.
- 29:27Speaker 1: It really does. Attorney Bailey spoke very passionately about the
- 29:31Speaker 1: role of mandated reporters and the community at large in
- 29:34Speaker 1: these scenarios.
- 29:35Speaker 2: He noted that a lot of times there are physical
- 29:38Speaker 2: or behavioral signs out there that people see. simply turn
- 29:40Speaker 2: a blind eye to.
- 29:41Speaker 1: Child abuse rarely happens in a complete vacuum without any
- 29:44Speaker 1: external indicators, right?
- 29:46Speaker 2: Almost never. There are almost always precursors. You see unexplained
- 29:50Speaker 2: absences from daycare or school.
- 29:52Speaker 1: Or sudden drastic changes in a child's behavior or demeanor.
- 29:56Speaker 2: You see physical marks that are brushed off by the
- 29:58Speaker 2: parents with unbelievable or inconsistent excuses.
- 30:02Speaker 1: And our entire society relies on a systemic safety net
- 30:05Speaker 1: to catch these children.
- 30:06Speaker 2: Teachers, pediatricians, daycare workers, these are often legally mandated reporters
- 30:11Speaker 2: required by law to alert authorities if they suspect abuse.
- 30:15Speaker 1: But it extends beyond just the professionals. It includes neighbors, relatives,
- 30:19Speaker 1: family friends.
- 30:20Speaker 2: And that's where the bystander effect comes in.
- 30:22Speaker 1: Exactly. When you see a video of a child with
- 30:25Speaker 1: a mark on her head, It is incredibly easy to
- 30:28Speaker 1: just write it off as kids being kids. The psychology
- 30:32Speaker 1: of the bystander effect is powerful.
- 30:34Speaker 2: Nobody wants to be the busybody neighbor.
- 30:37Speaker 1: Nobody wants to accuse a parent of something horrific if
- 30:39Speaker 1: it really was just a clumsy fall. But it forces
- 30:42Speaker 1: us to ask a deeply uncomfortable moral question.
- 30:46Speaker 2: At what point does our societal hesitation to interfere, you know,
- 30:50Speaker 2: our ingrained desire to just mind our own business, make
- 30:53Speaker 2: us complicit in a tragedy?
- 30:55Speaker 1: That is the crucial question this case demands we ask ourselves.
- 31:00Speaker 2: The criminal justice system is inherently reactive. It arrives on
- 31:03Speaker 2: the scene after the tragedy has already occurred to assign
- 31:05Speaker 2: blame and dole out punishment.
- 31:07Speaker 1: But the community is supposed to be the proactive shield.
- 31:10Speaker 2: If someone in Java's life saw that mark, or if
- 31:13Speaker 2: someone felt something was fundamentally wrong in that household and
- 31:17Speaker 2: chose silence over intervention because it was easier?
- 31:20Speaker 1: That silence represents a catastrophic systemic failure.
- 31:24Speaker 2: It does. The collective failure to protect Java while she
- 31:27Speaker 2: was alive is the exact fuel driving the massive, relentless
- 31:31Speaker 2: law enforcement effort to at least bring her home in death.
- 31:34Speaker 1: The effort and the complexity required to unravel this case
- 31:37Speaker 1: is just astounding. As we synthesize all the moving parts
- 31:42Speaker 1: we've covered today, the scope of this deep dive is intense.
- 31:47Speaker 2: It covers a lot of ground.
- 31:49Speaker 1: We started with the sheer mechanics of a massive, frantic
- 31:52Speaker 1: search operation that turned out to be chasing a phantom.
- 31:55Speaker 2: We looked closely at the chilling, month-long deception allegedly orchestrated
- 31:59Speaker 2: by the very people tasked with protecting this child.
- 32:02Speaker 1: We explored the immense legal labyrinth of prosecuting a homicide
- 32:06Speaker 1: without a body, detailing how prosecutors must rely on a
- 32:10Speaker 1: dense web of invisible circumstantial evidence.
- 32:13Speaker 2: Cell tower telemetry, digital shadows, broken alibis, using all of
- 32:18Speaker 2: that to prove beyond a reasonable doubt not just that
- 32:21Speaker 2: a crime occurred, but how it occurred.
- 32:23Speaker 1: We analyzed the game theory behind a co-defendant's self-serving media strategy.
- 32:28Speaker 1: And most importantly, we confronted the tragic blind spots in
- 32:31Speaker 1: our child welfare networks.
- 32:33Speaker 2: This is exactly why a case like this matters to you.
- 32:36Speaker 1: It isn't just a true crime story to passively consume.
- 32:39Speaker 2: No, it is a terrifying real-world examination of how easily
- 32:43Speaker 2: the truth can be buried right in front of us,
- 32:46Speaker 2: masked by a 911 call and a constructed narrative.
- 32:49Speaker 1: It shows us the highly specialized effort required by digital
- 32:53Speaker 1: forensics experts, detectives and prosecutors to dig that truth back
- 32:57Speaker 1: up from the dirt of deception.
- 32:59Speaker 2: It demands that we look critically at the systems and
- 33:02Speaker 2: the social contracts designed to protect the most vulnerable among
- 33:06Speaker 2: us and ask where the structural cracks are and who
- 33:10Speaker 2: is quietly falling through them while we look the other way.
- 33:12Speaker 1: I want to leave you with a final thought, something
- 33:15Speaker 1: to really mull over on your own. that stuck with
- 33:18Speaker 1: me while researching this material. Okay. We live in a
- 33:22Speaker 1: society where absolutely everything is documented. We leave an endless
- 33:25Speaker 1: trail of digital breadcrumbs wherever we go. We do. And
- 33:29Speaker 1: there is a deeply unsettling reality highlighted by this case.
- 33:34Speaker 1: In today's hyper-connected age, a four-year-old child can be immortalized
- 33:38Speaker 1: in a casual, heartbreaking online video, her face and voice
- 33:42Speaker 1: captured on a server forever, And yet that exact same
- 33:46Speaker 1: child can physically vanish from the earth for an entire
- 33:49Speaker 1: month without a single person in the real world noticing
- 33:52Speaker 1: she was gone. Wow. Let that contrast sink in. What
- 33:57Speaker 1: does that say about modern isolation and the true nature
- 34:00Speaker 1: of community? We started this deep dive talking about the
- 34:04Speaker 1: expectation of precision, the comfort of knowing exactly what we
- 34:08Speaker 1: are looking at. Right. But as we step out of
- 34:11Speaker 1: the murky, muddy waters of this investigation, you realize that
- 34:14Speaker 1: sometimes the most terrifying threats aren't hiding in the shadows.
- 34:18Speaker 1: They are standing right in the front yard, calling 911,
- 34:22Speaker 1: asking us to help look for what they've already destroyed.