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Interview Tips to Get the Job | Career Transitions | Business Travel | Jaime Stoffer | Episode 112 · Voices for Voices®

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  Justin Alan Hayes: So in studio today, we are really lucky to have touched on the career aspects of learning techniques.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: Talking a little bit about personal brand, our guest today is going to talk about some of those things, as well as her background and how she transferred from a background in health care into corporate America.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: So Jaime Stoffer is a health care professional.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: She's locally from Canton, Ohio.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: She has a diverse set of skills that includes leadership, marketing, clinical education and product development.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: Jamie also has a solid educational foundation, with a master's of business administration and a doctorate in physical therapy.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: She's known for building effective teams, executing marketing strategies and fostering key industry relationships.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: Jamie, thank you so much for joining us today.
• 2:56
  Jaime Stoffer: Absolutely.
• 2:57
  Jaime Stoffer: Thank you for having me.
• 2:58
  Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, for our listeners and our viewers.
• 3:01
  Justin Alan Hayes: How we connected was through one of your LinkedIn posts that thrown out topic-wise.
• 3:12
  Justin Alan Hayes: It was on transferable skills and it caught my eye for a couple of reasons.
• 3:20
  Justin Alan Hayes: The main one that I thought of at the time was as an instructor at Walsh University.
• 3:27
  Justin Alan Hayes: A lot of my students, whether they're freshmen or sophomore, juniors or even seniors, go into looking for internships or full-time positions or volunteer positions and they think that they don't have the skills to attain or apply to a certain job.
• 3:49
  Justin Alan Hayes: Now, well, maybe applying that for a president or a director, those types of jobs that would obviously need some experience to be able to move into those roles.
• 4:03
  Justin Alan Hayes: A person going through their education, they have a lot of transferable skills, whether it be working with groups, presenting, just doing a simple project that how many projects does a college student do of picking something they did well and all the different pieces that went into it.
• 4:26
  Justin Alan Hayes: So that's how I came to know you virtually and then we were able to through a ton of scheduling, holidays and all that fun stuff with everybody is dealing with.
• 4:38
  Justin Alan Hayes: They get you in the studio to have you share your experience.
• 4:42
  Justin Alan Hayes: So could you maybe get started by talking about your background in healthcare and then we can go from there.
• 4:51
  Jaime Stoffer: Yeah, absolutely so.
• 4:53
  Jaime Stoffer: I originally actually graduated from Walsh University with my doctorate in physical therapy, so I was started in the physical therapy sector of healthcare.
• 5:01
  Jaime Stoffer: I worked in a variety of settings, kind of bounced around a little bit, trying to figure out where my niche was and where I felt the most comfortable.
• 5:09
  Jaime Stoffer: So outpatient, acute home health, inpatient rehab Little did I know at that point in time.
• 5:16
  Jaime Stoffer: I was actually setting myself up for success later on in the future.
• 5:20
  Jaime Stoffer: But it was a great learning experience for me because I got to experience a wide range of patient populations, different settings, different acuity levels, different billing cycles, all different kinds of things.
• 5:32
  Jaime Stoffer: But I found in me kind of job jumping that I was trying to find something and I wasn't finding what I wanted.
• 5:40
  Jaime Stoffer: And so I took a role.
• 5:42
  Jaime Stoffer: I was director of rehab for a facility that I needed to focus in on programs to get residents engaged.
• 5:49
  Jaime Stoffer: I needed to get healthcare referrals from the local physicians and local hospitals.
• 5:54
  Jaime Stoffer: So I was doing a lot of marketing efforts to get those items out and I found myself being drawn more to that aspect of my job than what I was doing before.
• 6:01
  Jaime Stoffer: So that kind of was the aha moment for me.
• 6:04
  Jaime Stoffer: I need to start looking for something that's a little more in tune with my strengths.
• 6:08
  Jaime Stoffer: So I started looking out in the community and started looking to see how can I utilize my degree today, what are my strengths and what am I interested in, which at that time was program development and marketing and so I started looking for roles that could I do program development for physical therapy based companies that are selling products to physical therapists.
• 6:26
  Jaime Stoffer: So I started looking around and I was able to find a position and I was able to do that.
• 6:29
  Jaime Stoffer: So then I transitioned kind of what I call the dark side.
• 6:33
  Jaime Stoffer: I was on the corporate, more corporate based role.
• 6:37
  Jaime Stoffer: So I've been doing that now, for we're coming up on nine years now that I've been on this side of the fence and I'm kind of I'm still working with healthcare providers, I'm still using a lot of those kind of skills, but I have transferred to a completely different focus and different hat that I wear Anytime that I'm approaching a problem or a kind of discussion around a product.
• 6:57
  Jaime Stoffer: It's just a very different viewpoint.
• 7:00
  Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, and I think that's helpful on so many levels.
• 7:05
  Justin Alan Hayes: When you just talk about different jobs, different areas that you were getting experience with and you weren't really finding at that, you know that first, or maybe the second second rule, like exactly what you're looking for, can you talk a little bit about maybe kind of the emotional side of how it made you feel like once you started to feel like you're in the right direction, once you started going there?
• 7:35
  Justin Alan Hayes: Because I think that also could be helpful really to anybody who's had a job and a job you know they might say, well, how am I gonna know and I know, nothing is 100% science, but maybe maybe some signals that you were noticing of, like, okay, what got to that aha moment for you?
• 7:57
  Jaime Stoffer: Yeah, absolutely so.
• 7:58
  Jaime Stoffer: I think one of the common mistakes I see with people is they tend to generalize when they're not happy with a position.
• 8:03
  Jaime Stoffer: It's like, well, I don't like to do this, don't generalize.
• 8:07
  Jaime Stoffer: You really need to kind of internalize a little bit and figure out and hone in specifically what is it that you don't like?
• 8:15
  Jaime Stoffer: Is it that direct patient conversation that you don't like?
• 8:19
  Jaime Stoffer: Is it the documentation aspect you don't like?
• 8:21
  Jaime Stoffer: Is it and that's on the healthcare side?
• 8:23
  Jaime Stoffer: But if we take this, you know, in a broader conversation, what aspects to your job and your day-to-day do you see yourself gravitating towards first because you enjoy it, versus areas that you tend to put off to the very last because you don't enjoy doing it.
• 8:37
  Jaime Stoffer: What are those?
• 8:38
  Jaime Stoffer: Now, don't get me wrong.
• 8:39
  Jaime Stoffer: Every single position has something that you don't necessarily enjoy.
• 8:44
  Jaime Stoffer: However, if you're consistently finding yourself, you know, avoiding getting into the data because you're just not a numbers person, then any kind of an analytic type of position, a business analyst role, is not the right position for you.
• 8:56
  Jaime Stoffer: We need to focus in on your strengths, and so that would be kind of where I would recommend people take a look at is and it's not necessarily a hundred percent.
• 9:04
  Jaime Stoffer: You know, a black and white scenario of you have to hone in on what you enjoy and what your strengths are.
• 9:12
  Jaime Stoffer: But, being truly realistic and it's a little bit of a harsh conversation with yourself if I'm to roll out a list of what my strengths are, I'm not necessarily going to come out with a list of 14 different things I really need to focus on two to three key things that I know I do very well and I enjoy doing it.
• 9:27
  Jaime Stoffer: So what are those items and how can I translate that to a role?
• 9:32
  Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, that's that can be cumbersome, and I know for myself and myself personally as well as students, you know they do, they think of that, that list of like oh, 15 or 20 things and and do we really do?
• 9:50
  Justin Alan Hayes: We just need to hone in on two to three to get it, get us started, because those two to three and for anybody that's taken at least a marketing course you go through so many different areas of marketing with the four P's writing press releases, doing creative briefs, all these different projects.
• 10:16
  Justin Alan Hayes: But then once you're out of school, unless you're running your own business or at a smaller company, you're really only going to be focusing maybe on one and maybe only a piece of one of those areas that you spend all that time so that really makes sense to what you're saying to find that those two or three things that really match up to to that role.
• 10:41
  Justin Alan Hayes: And if you find yourself not enjoying it and granted, sometimes people think like, oh well, I'm never going to find something I'm going to like love and like wake up in the morning and say, oh, I can't wait to go to work or oh, I just had a great day at work, so you'll take it.
• 11:00
  Justin Alan Hayes: All those things aside, there are still, like said those, those emotional keys and cues to really help hone in, and it can take some time that it's not always overnight.
• 11:15
  Jaime Stoffer: And that's an excellent point because I feel, especially if you're younger, you're a student, you're early on in your career, you're in an exploration phase right now.
• 11:23
  Jaime Stoffer: Those first couple years in my career, I didn't know what I wanted, and that's okay.
• 11:27
  Jaime Stoffer: We ask these questions to 16 and 17 year olds, asking them to figure out what they want to do for the rest of their life.
• 11:33
  Jaime Stoffer: I'm 38 years old and I do not have any clue what I want to do for the rest of my life.
• 11:37
  Jaime Stoffer: It's more so trying to figure out what am I good at, what do I enjoy doing and making it so my job isn't a terrible 8 to 5 that I can't stand doing every day and some of those conversations go hand in hand and trying to figure out what you do and what you're strong in, and you carrying that on in your day to day, is going to make you feel better about yourself.
• 11:58
  Jaime Stoffer: If you're constantly being battled with something that you're not necessarily strong in, that takes a toll on all areas of your life, including your mental health.
• 12:06
  Justin Alan Hayes: Oh, absolutely.
• 12:07
  Justin Alan Hayes: So you do quite a bit of traveling for your role.
• 12:13
  Justin Alan Hayes: Now how much, if any, do you like the travel aspect of what you're doing?
• 12:22
  Justin Alan Hayes: I guess somebody may be listening or watching and saying, oh, I love to travel, explore, go on road trips, and maybe that comes out and a person wanting a role or a job where they're able to have some free time after they do the work when they're traveling for a job.
• 12:44
  Jaime Stoffer: Yeah.
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  Jaime Stoffer: So traveling for a position is interesting and I tend to cut to the negative aspects.
• 12:52
  Jaime Stoffer: First, because travel tends to have this allure and grandeur that people get pretty excited about.
• 12:57
  Jaime Stoffer: The thing with travel is and right now I probably do about 40 to 50% of my job on the road.
• 13:04
  Jaime Stoffer: The rest of the time I am remote and I work from my home, so there is a nice balance from that in regards to we don't have the daily commute going into an office.
• 13:13
  Jaime Stoffer: However, when you're on the road, it is very similar whenever you're going on vacation.
• 13:18
  Jaime Stoffer: You can have flights canceled, you can go pick up your rental car and there's a two hour line of people you're waiting in.
• 13:23
  Jaime Stoffer: Those things don't go away because you're traveling for business.
• 13:26
  Jaime Stoffer: You go through all the same kinds of things whenever you're traveling for business, but now I've got meetings and everything else that I've got to move around because of hiccups like that, so those same kinds of things occur.
• 13:35
  Jaime Stoffer: The other thing is you're no longer in an eight to five type of schedule.
• 13:39
  Jaime Stoffer: I might leave for a flight at six am.
• 13:41
  Jaime Stoffer: I'm leaving my house at three, four o'clock in the morning.
• 13:44
  Jaime Stoffer: I travel all day.
• 13:45
  Jaime Stoffer: I get to the hotel.
• 13:46
  Jaime Stoffer: I then have to go out to a business meeting or a dinner.
• 13:49
  Jaime Stoffer: I mean it's like I've already put in for the day 16 hours.
• 13:51
  Jaime Stoffer: So those kinds of things happen and it is very realistic.
• 13:55
  Jaime Stoffer: So I do like to kind of point those out and kind of paint an accurate picture of what's going on.
• 14:00
  Jaime Stoffer: But the positives are, of course, you're in new areas, I see new cities, I get to try new restaurants.
• 14:06
  Jaime Stoffer: I don't necessarily sometimes I've joked, sometimes I'll go to Vegas for different trade shows and I won't see the light of the sun for three days because we're inside these massive hotels for all these trade shows and kind of the day to day that goes through that.
• 14:20
  Jaime Stoffer: But there's always nuances of where you're meeting new people.
• 14:24
  Jaime Stoffer: You're building your network.
• 14:25
  Jaime Stoffer: I attend quite a bit of trade shows every year and it is an excellent opportunity for me to build my network and it's something that every time I go to a show I try to walk away with at least another stronger one to two contacts within my network that I know that I can reach out and partner with later on and that becomes that kind of brings this full circle back to the transferable skills.
• 14:45
  Jaime Stoffer: Conversation is one of the strongest things you can do is build your network, and we hear about this all the time in school.
• 14:51
  Jaime Stoffer: But what does that mean?
• 14:52
  Jaime Stoffer: What does that mean when we say build your network?
• 14:54
  Jaime Stoffer: And so that is kind of having those conversations with someone at a beyond, kind of a superficial level, without a transactional nature.
• 15:05
  Jaime Stoffer: When I meet someone that I want to include in my network, I'm not hoping to gain a sale from them.
• 15:12
  Jaime Stoffer: That's not what the conversation is.
• 15:13
  Jaime Stoffer: It is more so getting to know them, understanding where their strengths and their expertise is, and then them also understanding the same about me.
• 15:20
  Jaime Stoffer: So whenever, six months from now, let's see a media therapist who specializes in pelvic health, I know six months from now and if I have a woman's health conversation come up that I can go.
• 15:30
  Jaime Stoffer: Huh, I've got a contact for that.
• 15:32
  Jaime Stoffer: Let me reach out to her.
• 15:33
  Jaime Stoffer: And so that's what I mean when I say building network.
• 15:36
  Jaime Stoffer: It's truly about relationships without the transaction in mind.
• 15:40
  Jaime Stoffer: Often I'm reached out to on LinkedIn that people will have various career questions or they'll you know something that's related to my position.
• 15:47
  Jaime Stoffer: They want to communicate.
• 15:49
  Jaime Stoffer: All great, that's all methods, the way to build your network.
• 15:53
  Jaime Stoffer: But sometimes that transactional conversation is too much in the forefront, and I know that you're coming to me just for a transaction.
• 16:01
  Jaime Stoffer: You're not necessarily coming to me to understand how we can get to know each other and understand how we can mutually benefit from our relationship.
• 16:09
  Jaime Stoffer: So that's one of the things that I definitely recommend is don't approach things like a transaction.
• 16:15
  Jaime Stoffer: It's not a customer, it is a relationship and relationships take nurturing.
• 16:20
  Jaime Stoffer: So that means continual communication.
• 16:22
  Jaime Stoffer: You know that means reaching out and saying Merry Christmas.
• 16:25
  Jaime Stoffer: Like there's things like that, just basic conversation that you're continuing through Get to know them.
• 16:30
  Jaime Stoffer: Do they have kids, are they married, where do they live, how's things like that and you know who they are as a person.
• 16:35
  Jaime Stoffer: That is building a relationship and that is building out your network.
• 16:39
  Jaime Stoffer: And that's probably the biggest thing that I see error wise with people is they treat them like a customer and it's a one time deal.
• 16:45
  Jaime Stoffer: We get the sale, we walk away.
• 16:46
  Jaime Stoffer: That's not a network conversation, that's just yeah, maybe something a little deeper than that.
• 16:53
  Justin Alan Hayes: Absolutely so.
• 16:54
  Justin Alan Hayes: I had a role previous where I was managing trade shows and that's absolutely not my expertise.
• 17:03
  Justin Alan Hayes: I'm curious if you have maybe like a funny story and I guess back up on why I say like a funny story set up so individuals might think, oh well, in trade shows in Vegas or LA or nice area, nice cities, but, like you said, a lot of time you might not see.
• 17:26
  Justin Alan Hayes: You could be in Vegas for five days and not see the sun.
• 17:29
  Justin Alan Hayes: You're inside a massive trade show hall and ours was at the Mandalay Bay and I guess I say funny, I showed up but for the first day of setup and, okay, you're in Vegas and it's not quite peak summer time and it's not quite winter time, it's maybe April, may, so the weather is still pretty warm, decently.
• 18:02
  Justin Alan Hayes: And so I thought that when I went to go help set up, I was like, oh, I'm going to Vegas, yeah, we're going to be able to have all this fun, and that was not the case.
• 18:16
  Justin Alan Hayes: But when we showed up the air conditioning was not turned on, and so that was like something one of my colleagues had mentioned before is that you better be ready, because they're trying to save money.
• 18:31
  Justin Alan Hayes: They're not going to turn that AC on until they absolutely need to, and I was going to the night before to start getting the temperature down and that was just like baffling of like, oh no, that's not the case.
• 18:47
  Justin Alan Hayes: But then once I got there and it happened and you're moving around, you're lifting things, you're checking on this, everybody doing what they're supposed to do did all the crates arrive?
• 19:01
  Justin Alan Hayes: And if they didn't, where are they coming in?
• 19:04
  Justin Alan Hayes: Is there something damaged?
• 19:07
  Justin Alan Hayes: So we had a kiosk.
• 19:08
  Justin Alan Hayes: It was damaged and it had this whole argument of, well, we didn't do it.
• 19:13
  Justin Alan Hayes: It was like well, I saw you, you're taking it out, and it banged.
• 19:18
  Justin Alan Hayes: And now our team ended up spending like two days trying to fix it.
• 19:22
  Justin Alan Hayes: So we lost time.
• 19:23
  Justin Alan Hayes: So there's all those I'd say like now I can get back pickups kind of funny, interesting things.
• 19:28
  Justin Alan Hayes: And then I'll finish by the third thing.
• 19:32
  Justin Alan Hayes: Was we the trash.
• 19:35
  Justin Alan Hayes: The individuals were collecting the trash, because you have crates, you have boxes, and so you're trying to get everything as fast as possible.
• 19:44
  Justin Alan Hayes: You're opening things and there's bubble wrap.
• 19:47
  Justin Alan Hayes: There's this all kind of like Christmas, like on steroids, with all the say, all the equipment that's needed, and so there's individuals that come around with their container and you put your trash and they're collecting.
• 20:05
  Justin Alan Hayes: And so I had asked somebody who wasn't one of the collectors.
• 20:10
  Justin Alan Hayes: We were trying to finish up but there was a couple of things like we needed to throw away.
• 20:17
  Justin Alan Hayes: We could just leave them in the booth, because then we need to get the sweeper or under the carpet and so all these things.
• 20:25
  Justin Alan Hayes: So I asked the person.
• 20:27
  Justin Alan Hayes: I said hey, can you help me take this?
• 20:31
  Justin Alan Hayes: He says, oh, they don't pay me to do that.
• 20:35
  Jaime Stoffer: And I said what do you mean?
• 20:39
  Justin Alan Hayes: He's like, well, they don't pay.
• 20:40
  Justin Alan Hayes: There's people, and there's people to go around with these bins and you put them in there.
• 20:44
  Justin Alan Hayes: And I said, I know, and he goes, they don't pay me to do that.
• 20:49
  Justin Alan Hayes: And he's kept on walking and it was funny.
• 20:52
  Justin Alan Hayes: And then another I say like a folklore legend that was told when I first started at the company was that there was a trade show and there was something that was going on and they ended up killing the lights and killing the electricity because whatever was going on like somebody was not on a treating one of the union groups well, and and so they said you're like, oh well, you know, if you don't help us out and do this, like we're gonna cut the electric.
• 21:27
  Justin Alan Hayes: And so they did, they cut it, and it's the day before set.
• 21:30
  Justin Alan Hayes: The show was at the start, yeah, and then they had to get fire and inspect around all these things.
• 21:37
  Justin Alan Hayes: So some of those types of things, those hiccups, is there I'm sure you have a time to say tons, tons.
• 21:47
  Jaime Stoffer: Setting up for a trade show is an experience in and of itself.
• 21:51
  Jaime Stoffer: So if you've never done that before, on that aspect it is quite the learning curve.
• 21:55
  Jaime Stoffer: But I kind of equate it to that experience.
• 21:58
  Jaime Stoffer: The first time you set up an IKEA piece of furniture but remove any kind of manuals, like right is.
• 22:05
  Jaime Stoffer: You have all these pieces of things that show up.
• 22:07
  Jaime Stoffer: You're trying to figure out how they work together, but you wanted to come to a nice looking product at the end of the day.
• 22:14
  Jaime Stoffer: Sometimes you're missing screws, sometimes you're missing pieces.
• 22:17
  Jaime Stoffer: You're trying to figure out how to put this together.
• 22:19
  Jaime Stoffer: It's something you've never seen before.
• 22:21
  Jaime Stoffer: It is very much that same type of experience and it kind of depends on how big your booth is in regards to kind of what kind of labor you have to help.
• 22:29
  Jaime Stoffer: But I have seen just about everything.
• 22:32
  Jaime Stoffer: I've seen boost, where we've shown up and literally nothing is there.
• 22:35
  Jaime Stoffer: Our, our crate got lost, our package didn't arrive in the the conference starts and it's just us in the booth saying hi, everybody and and hoping that you know it'll show up that night.
• 22:48
  Jaime Stoffer: I've seen products get damaged, I've seen.
• 22:52
  Jaime Stoffer: I've seen people were supposed to be in the booth not be able to make it because of travel issues getting in.
• 22:58
  Jaime Stoffer: So then you're short staffed, just about everything when it comes to.
• 23:03
  Jaime Stoffer: I've seen we've hired help to help kind of put together our booth for us and installed things upside down backwards and you get to the show and you're like what is this?
• 23:14
  Justin Alan Hayes: it's all done.
• 23:15
  Jaime Stoffer: I sent a picture does not look like my picture.
• 23:18
  Jaime Stoffer: So just about everything throughout the kind of the trade show world.
• 23:24
  Jaime Stoffer: And you're right that first day I always tell people do not show up in your business attire.
• 23:28
  Jaime Stoffer: Please wear yoga pants and t-shirts, because you're gonna be crawling around on the ground, you're gonna be using a wrench to put something to get here you're, you're.
• 23:35
  Jaime Stoffer: It's just the nature of the beast in regards to you know, taking care of and setting up a booth.
• 23:40
  Jaime Stoffer: But there's one of the biggest aspects of that area that I always it's one of the first things I do anytime I'm screening somebody to hire is what is your ability to roll with the punches and your flexibility?
• 23:53
  Jaime Stoffer: Look like you're a very structured person.
• 23:55
  Jaime Stoffer: You like things to be consistent.
• 23:57
  Jaime Stoffer: That's okay, but that's kind of that internal self-awareness comes.
• 24:00
  Jaime Stoffer: But if you can't pivot and be ready to completely change what your original plan was, that kind of environment becomes very difficult for individuals because I it is a constant.
• 24:12
  Jaime Stoffer: You don't know what the external variables are gonna be and it could literally be anything from.
• 24:18
  Jaime Stoffer: I remember one time in particular we were a lot of these trade shows occur in really big cities which the kind of any kind of event space is a union base.
• 24:26
  Jaime Stoffer: So each individual has very specific job duties and very specific tasks that they handle.
• 24:34
  Jaime Stoffer: And I remember being we had hired in a speaker at one of these events and they wanted a table up by their podium and there was a table on the ground and so I naturally grabbed the table.
• 24:44
  Jaime Stoffer: I went to go put it next to the podium to which I got yelled out from union of I'm not allowed to move furniture because it's union.
• 24:51
  Jaime Stoffer: I was like it's ten feet?
• 24:53
  Jaime Stoffer: Yeah, I couldn't.
• 24:55
  Jaime Stoffer: I had to pay for someone to move at ten feet.
• 24:58
  Jaime Stoffer: These, these are the rules, these are the things that get set up.
• 25:02
  Jaime Stoffer: So, but just a lot of nuances and funny stories like that that you end up running into that, you know, occur whenever you're doing trade shows, and the bigger they are, the more interesting it gets.
• 25:12
  Justin Alan Hayes: So yeah, and into the to the labor point of you contract for a period of time, for an amount of resources.
• 25:23
  Justin Alan Hayes: Once that time's up, they're, they're done, they're, they're not hanging around and and so to that point we've had, we had booths where it wasn't finished, like things got in late or it was the labor's fault, the reason why we're running behind.
• 25:45
  Justin Alan Hayes: And when I say hey, it's gonna take like an extra half hour, an hour, they're like no, we can't do that, like it's not.
• 25:52
  Justin Alan Hayes: And so of course you have to do the rigmarole.
• 25:54
  Justin Alan Hayes: I gotta call their manager and then say, yep, like we got, we'll pay it.
• 25:59
  Justin Alan Hayes: Let's triple time yeah, so crazy about.
• 26:03
  Justin Alan Hayes: They're like, if I'm gonna stay like for half hour, yeah, I'm gonna do do this.
• 26:09
  Justin Alan Hayes: So I think we're at a good spot to pivot to a second episode of that, if that's okay, because we're so many other areas and definitely want to touch, touch on and such fruitful information, so that work for you absolutely okay.
• 26:31
  Justin Alan Hayes: Well, we want to thank you for joining us on this episode of the voices for voices TV show and podcast.
• 26:38
  Justin Alan Hayes: I want to thank Jaime Stoffer for joining us.
• 26:41
  Justin Alan Hayes: She is going to be joining us for part two to continue the trade show transferable skill discussion.
• 26:49
  Justin Alan Hayes: What, whatever skills she looks for in an interview candidates for roles.
• 26:58
  Justin Alan Hayes: She, she was able to talk through you know that, that agility, that flexibility for trade shows, and so maybe we'll be able to find out for other other areas that might not be trade show related and that may help you or somebody you know, just just be able to put some more information in your toolbox and, and at some point might be tomorrow, might be in a month, might be in six years there'll be something I can.
• 27:29
  Justin Alan Hayes: I can assure you'll pull away from this conversation.
• 27:31
  Justin Alan Hayes: So we're gonna head on to our second episode with Jamie, but until next time I'm Justin Allen Hayes, and we hope that you are a voice for yourself or somebody in need.