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The Week That Was - 4th March 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Of course it is Friday morning.
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  Speaker 2: It is time for the week that was, and joining
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  Speaker 2: us in the studio this morning, we've got the Deputy
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  Speaker 2: Opposition Leader Jared Mayley, Good morning to you.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners.
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  Speaker 2: And we've got Keesyer Puric, the Independent member for Goida,
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you.
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  Speaker 1: Keezier, Morning Katie, Morning bush people. And we've got Nicole
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  Speaker 1: Mallison and the policeman. Good morning to you man.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, the one towny left, I'm the members of parliament heresse.
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  Speaker 1: Two deputies.
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  Speaker 2: Said that Deputy Chief Minister, Well, I tell you what,
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  Speaker 2: it's been an incredibly busy week, like I always say
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  Speaker 2: when we get to Friday, but we know that the
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  Speaker 2: masks and check ins, well, there was some serious changes
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  Speaker 2: made in this space throughout the week. The masks are
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  Speaker 2: coming off on Monday, and the check in system well
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  Speaker 2: it has been really scaled right back. You no longer
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  Speaker 2: need to check in, unless, of course, you are going
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  Speaker 2: into one of those licensed premises, in which case you've
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  Speaker 2: got to prove you've vaccinated.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, so BAX passes there.
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  Speaker 4: You don't need to do the mandate tree check in,
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  Speaker 4: but you can show your vaccination status. The easiest ways
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  Speaker 4: probably through the check in app or you know, some
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  Speaker 4: people have certificates on their phone as well.
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  Speaker 2: So just on that, because I know there was lots
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  Speaker 2: of people listening to the show yesterday who would have
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  Speaker 2: heard Alex Bruce raise those real concerns on the show
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  Speaker 2: yesterday about them still having to have people check in.
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  Speaker 1: He'd messaged me by the time the.
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  Speaker 2: Show had finished yesterday and said that he'd had that
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  Speaker 2: clarification from the government that that wasn't going to.
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  Speaker 1: Be the case.
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  Speaker 2: So just to reiterate their mantno, essentially, you'll be able
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  Speaker 2: to go in without checking in, but you'll have to
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  Speaker 2: show you vaxed passportion.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's it, because they're still under the vaxpass system.
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  Speaker 4: How they go and look at that will be up
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  Speaker 4: to that venue because they're the ones who understand their
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  Speaker 4: resources and what they need to do, but not the
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  Speaker 4: mandatory check in, do the QR code at the front door.
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  Speaker 2: What will happen then, because now obviously we've got travelers
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  Speaker 2: coming from interstate who no longer need to be vaccinated,
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  Speaker 2: and also travelers coming from overseas who only need to
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  Speaker 2: be double vaxed.
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  Speaker 1: So how's that going to work?
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  Speaker 4: So again, and then they're going to have to look
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  Speaker 4: at their vaccination certification there. And with regards to people
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  Speaker 4: who have not been vaccinated, we know that the numbers
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  Speaker 4: of those are very, very low.
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  Speaker 5: And that was why that decision was made.
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  Speaker 4: Of the sad reality of it is is that people
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  Speaker 4: had more chance of catching COVID nineteen within the Northern
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  Speaker 4: Territory than from interstate.
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  Speaker 6: Okatie. I'm on sure as to if the checking code
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  Speaker 6: or checking requirement is not there, masks are not there? Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: why do customers still have to show the vaccination status
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  Speaker 6: at a licensed premises? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: And is that going to change?
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  Speaker 6: Is that going to change in the future?
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  Speaker 5: Were easy, you.
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  Speaker 7: Won't, I think keep showing because why would you say
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  Speaker 7: you're going to catch COVID at a licensed premises versus
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  Speaker 7: say the eatery at Casherina or calling Es Central where
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  Speaker 7: there's still a lot of people there having their coffees
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  Speaker 7: and big groups of people or schools or childcares. So
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  Speaker 7: is it really just singing that one particular group who
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  Speaker 7: that group out there makes money for us? Remember that
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  Speaker 7: there's a lot of money licened premises. They pay their taxes,
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  Speaker 7: they employ people versus the just going to this food hall.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm just confused of.
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  Speaker 7: Why that's happening in relation to picking on one particular
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  Speaker 7: sector when.
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  Speaker 3: COVID's here, we're.
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  Speaker 7: Past a peak, I understand listening to the government, we're
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  Speaker 7: on the downhill slide, hopefully fingers crossed, the mass off
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  Speaker 7: the check in is going. Why we still got this
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  Speaker 7: restricting singly at one particular group when in my view
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  Speaker 7: and I think if you have lots of people who
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  Speaker 7: speak to me, you're just as likely to catch COVID
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  Speaker 7: at a school hall, or a shopping center, or a
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  Speaker 7: food court, a pub.
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  Speaker 5: So it's something that we're constantly reviewing.
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  Speaker 4: I think you can see throughout this pandemic, things change
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  Speaker 4: very quickly, and we're constantly looking at the evidence that's
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  Speaker 4: coming in, the information, the data, and we change when
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  Speaker 4: we need to change, when we think that the health
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  Speaker 4: advice is there, and we do make those decisions. So
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  Speaker 4: we meet regularly as a Security and Emergency Management Committee
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  Speaker 4: of the Cabinet, we.
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  Speaker 5: Look at these very issues.
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  Speaker 4: The latest device that we had was okay from Monday,
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  Speaker 4: the mass mandate is gone, and I think we're all
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  Speaker 4: breathing a big sigh of relief from that. I think
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  Speaker 4: territories have done an amazing job with their compliance, but
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  Speaker 4: we can see we're past that peak. Those numbers are
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  Speaker 4: coming down and also they're checking out. But we'll continue
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  Speaker 4: reviewing the vax pass issues and other measures as well.
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  Speaker 2: So it could be a case set that vax pass
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  Speaker 2: measure is not in place. Inevitably, it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: there for a little while and at some stage, hopefully
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  Speaker 2: in the near future, that'll change.
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  Speaker 5: We constantly review our measures.
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  Speaker 4: We understand that compliance within the community is really important
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  Speaker 4: and the community's been so great throughout this pandemic of
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  Speaker 4: going along with the Chief Health Officers directions, So we
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  Speaker 4: constantly review our settings.
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  Speaker 2: Madam, Why are we waiting un till Monday to take
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  Speaker 2: the masks off? Why aren't we doing it at the
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  Speaker 2: SAVO so.
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  Speaker 6: We can get the week in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, and for those traders that have
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  Speaker 1: really suffered, it would be a good scene.
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  Speaker 4: And again I thank everybody, particularly our hospitality sector. They
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  Speaker 4: have been brilliant throughout this pandemic. So thank you Alex
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  Speaker 4: and to Paul Palmer for their amazing leadership as well.
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  Speaker 4: But we're waiting until Monday. The numbers are still around
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  Speaker 4: six hundred a day. We have seen it come down
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  Speaker 4: from around the peak, which was over one thousand a day.
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  Speaker 4: We're seeing hospitalizations reduced. I think we're down to about
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  Speaker 4: fifty in our hospitals at the moment. But the discussions
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  Speaker 4: we've had, the advice we've had was Monday. But from
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  Speaker 4: Monday away we go mass free except for in those
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  Speaker 4: very high resettings like hospitals and aged care, which I
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  Speaker 4: think we can all understand. But thank you everyone for
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  Speaker 4: their patients.
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  Speaker 7: It seems talk is pretty cheap from the government. You know,
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  Speaker 7: why you say thank you to the hospitality and Alex
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  Speaker 7: for doing that, But why not remove the mask because
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  Speaker 7: we all know and they've told us that that's a
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  Speaker 7: big impediment on their businesses. People going there and they're
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  Speaker 7: just not going there because we're a mask. So if
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  Speaker 7: you're going to thank them, why not get the masks off.
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  Speaker 7: And in relation to what we're saying, is that for
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  Speaker 7: our legislation change of making show report every three months.
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  Speaker 7: I know you've already come and said you're against that.
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  Speaker 7: Why is that? What were's the information? It's already there,
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  Speaker 7: the access that you've got to collect that in any way,
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  Speaker 7: and the show's got to keep written records, So why
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  Speaker 7: not be open and transparency territory and provide them information
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  Speaker 7: which to chose is required to keep ball or anyway.
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  Speaker 5: A few things.
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  Speaker 4: He is first and foremost that we've always followed the
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  Speaker 4: health advice and it served us very well for two
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  Speaker 4: years of this pandemic, unlike the CLP, who would have
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  Speaker 4: opened up the borders when that Melbourne Wealth. And the
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  Speaker 4: other point when we talk about reporting, so the CLP
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  Speaker 4: apparently can't keep their ears open every day when there
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  Speaker 4: is a daily update on where the COVID situation is.
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  Speaker 4: We front the Troy question and we do all this week.
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  Speaker 4: We have been keeping the public updated. But we're now
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  Speaker 4: living with COVID. And here is the CLP, you can't
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  Speaker 4: keep the ears open every day and wants to ask
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  Speaker 4: for a report every three months when they when they
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  Speaker 4: can't be bothered looking at the information that goes out.
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  Speaker 2: A pretty important question. When is the emergency declaration going
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  Speaker 2: to be lifted? I'm pretty sure in other states they
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  Speaker 2: are taking a closer look at that.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't have the date off the top of
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  Speaker 5: my head.
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  Speaker 3: Katie.
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  Speaker 5: But we'll get back to you with that.
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  Speaker 1: But it is going to be lifted at some soon.
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  Speaker 4: We will get that to you that information. I just
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  Speaker 4: don't have that information.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, because once that emergency declaration is lifted, it does
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  Speaker 2: make things different, doesn't it in terms of there's not
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  Speaker 2: going to be able to sort of be those rush
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  Speaker 2: through legislative changes and things are there when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to the pandemic.
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  Speaker 4: So we've made the decisions throughout this pandemic that we've
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  Speaker 4: needed to do to keep territory and safe, to have
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  Speaker 4: the time to understand COVID, to get everybody vaccinated, and
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  Speaker 4: to be ready for this point where we're at. So
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  Speaker 4: we've constantly reviewed our legislative settings, our chief Health Officer
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  Speaker 4: directions throughout this process, and we will continue to do
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  Speaker 4: so because COVID's here for a while yet longer, and
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  Speaker 4: I think we can't be complacent and we will change
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  Speaker 4: the settings as we see that they need to be
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  Speaker 4: changed to respond to the challenges what we have.
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  Speaker 2: Just for our listeners, I suppose when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: that emergency declaration, they'll be thinking to themselves what exactly
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  Speaker 2: does that mean? But ultimately, when that lifts that will mean,
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  Speaker 2: for example, that you guys won't have the daily meetings
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming like your simpsey meetings. And it will also
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  Speaker 2: mean that you know, the way that things are rolling
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  Speaker 2: out with COVID, will that change, will change.
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  Speaker 6: Directions.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe put my lawyer hat on here, because you know, ultimately,
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  Speaker 7: remember the chose directions are the mandates. For example, they
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  Speaker 7: promptly chose, so once the health decoration is lifted, they
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  Speaker 7: no longer enforced.
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  Speaker 1: So things like your vaccination.
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  Speaker 7: So that's unless the government tries to change legislation and
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  Speaker 7: actually put it in some sort of work health or
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  Speaker 7: some other legislation. So that's going to get lifted. So
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  Speaker 7: all the chose orders fall away once they chose stop.
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  Speaker 4: So what I'll say is that we're going to be
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  Speaker 4: making sure that the settings that we have going forward
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  Speaker 4: meet what we see other challenges coming up with COVID.
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  Speaker 5: We've learned a lot of lessons in the.
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  Speaker 4: Last two years about how to manage through a pandemic
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  Speaker 4: and the settings that you need to have, So there
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  Speaker 4: are things that we are looking at. How do we
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  Speaker 4: move forward because you know, we are going through another
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  Speaker 4: phase of COVID. I don't think we can all predict
• 9:02
  Speaker 4: exactly where we'll be in twelve months time, so we
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  Speaker 4: need to have the right footing to be able to
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  Speaker 4: respond to challenges if they keep coming up.
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  Speaker 2: But by the sounds of it, that emergency declaration is
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  Speaker 2: not far away from being lifted.
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  Speaker 4: So we're looking at the settings and what we think
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  Speaker 4: will be right Katie.
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  Speaker 5: And the thing I just want to.
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  Speaker 4: Stress everybody out there is that we've got a proven
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  Speaker 4: track record of doing everything we can to keep people safe,
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  Speaker 4: keep the economy going, save jobs throughout this pandemic. We're
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  Speaker 4: going to continue making sure we have the settings in
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  Speaker 4: place where we take the best medical advice, we look
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  Speaker 4: at the economic situation and we move forward.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, we're a stronger territory coming out of
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  Speaker 5: this pandemic.
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  Speaker 3: Can we just talk about that proven track record.
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  Speaker 7: Remember COVID came over two years ago and they're goun
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  Speaker 7: to come out and said we're going to closing borders
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  Speaker 7: to get a health system ready to go. And since
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  Speaker 7: that we've had five code yellows into our hospital, our
• 9:48
  Speaker 7: only hospital up here. So unfortunately, I think your proven
• 9:51
  Speaker 7: track record is going downhill right up there. And we're
• 9:53
  Speaker 7: in a world tour because our health system system is
• 9:57
  Speaker 7: in dire straits.
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  Speaker 3: Can we just finish system? For many years?
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  Speaker 1: These two a fight up this morning, gone down down.
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  Speaker 1: I think people want to know.
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  Speaker 6: Listeners want to know, especially business people and employers, when
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  Speaker 6: the man dated vaccination status and employment will be lifted. Well,
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  Speaker 6: that's part of the emergency response. Well, that's what people
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  Speaker 6: are interested in.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 6: I can't speak for the public service, but I know
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  Speaker 6: a lot of the employers. Danny Scus was a classic.
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  Speaker 6: You know, he doesn't want to be vaccinated, so he
• 10:34
  Speaker 6: has to leave his own business. The man the windscreen man,
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  Speaker 6: for example, that got into strife. So that's what people
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  Speaker 6: are interested in.
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  Speaker 2: When I like the thing is it's we all understand
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  Speaker 2: that this thing has been really frightening for a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years, Like we all understand why that emergency declaration
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  Speaker 2: has been in place for a couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: But I did not.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was South Australia who's who started that
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  Speaker 2: discussion about it, And so I thought to myself, I
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  Speaker 2: do wonder when we are going to look at lifting
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  Speaker 2: it here in the Northern Territory, because at some point
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: life has to get back to normal. We know that
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  Speaker 2: things are going to be a bit different, but life
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: does need to get back to normal. And I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people will be wondering, well, how long
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  Speaker 2: am I going to have to, you know, make sure
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  Speaker 2: that I'm double vax, triple vax, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 7: Was COVID really a serious emergency now anymore anymore? And
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  Speaker 7: it was at the beginning, and accept that, But now
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  Speaker 7: we know a lot more about it. Our treatments are
• 11:25
  Speaker 7: a lot better. Hopefully hospitals are ready to treat people
• 11:28
  Speaker 7: in it. I'm not saying hospital systems good, but hopefully
• 11:30
  Speaker 7: their treatments better. And if you do get COVID and
• 11:33
  Speaker 7: those un like if you who get sick, there's treatment
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  Speaker 7: available to fix you and get you back into good health.
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  Speaker 7: So is it really an emergency anymore? My suggestion would
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  Speaker 7: be it's certainly not as what it was at the beginning,
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  Speaker 7: and that needs to be looked at because it can't
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  Speaker 7: keep going on and on and on, because we need
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  Speaker 7: to get back to normally.
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  Speaker 3: We need to get on with life.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what we're all striving for. But we have
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  Speaker 4: to be very realistic here. We've just gone through two
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  Speaker 4: years of managing a global pandemic. And one of the
• 11:56
  Speaker 4: most vulnerable places in all of the nation. And we've
• 12:00
  Speaker 4: done the hard work to get everybody ready, to get
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: everybody vaccinated, and that's included some tough stances on vaccination,
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  Speaker 4: and we make no apology for that because it was
• 12:10
  Speaker 4: about making sure that our healthcare system could cope when
• 12:13
  Speaker 4: it came through. I've got to say, though, on anti
• 12:16
  Speaker 4: vaccination though, the CLP has got a bit of a
• 12:18
  Speaker 4: worrisome record there. You've just had somebody who go stands
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: up at anti vaccination rallies run for your party president
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  Speaker 4: and significant number of people in the CLP vote for
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: an anti VAXXA saying that the CLP don't really believe
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  Speaker 4: in vaccination.
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  Speaker 1: President did it any.
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  Speaker 3: Because I'll just explained it.
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  Speaker 7: In our constitution is that if the presidents have decided,
• 12:39
  Speaker 7: the vice president step over. So we're just simply following
• 12:42
  Speaker 7: our constitution. Robus party who can do that to the.
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  Speaker 2: We will get to the CLP discussion a little bit
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  Speaker 2: later this morning. Hey, before we get there, though, I've
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  Speaker 2: just had a caller question come through to my producer, Dannielle,
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  Speaker 2: wondering will unvaccinated people eventually be allowed back to work
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  Speaker 2: when that declaration is lifted.
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  Speaker 6: That's mandated vaccination. Yes status I'm trying to get clarification
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  Speaker 6: of yeah, So good.
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  Speaker 3: Question to understanding that.
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  Speaker 7: My understanding is once the health orders are lifted, that's
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  Speaker 7: because that's what it's enforcing it now. So unless the
• 13:10
  Speaker 7: government change the legislation and bringing in something through legislation
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  Speaker 7: somewhere else, which is their choice, I guess man, I
• 13:16
  Speaker 7: that'll be, it's going to fall away.
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  Speaker 4: So again we're working through those details of what it
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: looks going forward.
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take a very short break.
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  Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine.
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  Speaker 2: It is the week that was If you've just joined us,
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  Speaker 2: it is the week that was this morning Jered Mayley,
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  Speaker 2: Keizy Epiric and Nicole Madison. Now, earlier in the week,
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  Speaker 2: we saw that terrible vision emerge from the Funny Bay
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  Speaker 2: supermarket there and it was I think it was very
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  Speaker 2: disappointing for everybody to see that there was a group
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  Speaker 2: of people obviously fighting outside. The owner has stepped out
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  Speaker 2: to try to get them to move along. There was
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  Speaker 2: then a big rock picked up and it was really
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  Speaker 2: a very dangerous situation. So I think that that frightened
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  Speaker 2: everybody and made everybody feel pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Upset earlier in the week.
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  Speaker 2: Now last night, unfortunately, another video has emerged. This time
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  Speaker 2: you can see an older lady sleeping in the you know,
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  Speaker 2: like in the little in the doorway. She is woken
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  Speaker 2: by a group of youths who start throwing what appears
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  Speaker 2: to be a brick or rock at their glass window,
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  Speaker 2: which is obviously you know, very well sort of glazed,
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  Speaker 2: but at that window. They do it for a few minutes,
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  Speaker 2: by the look of things, eventually ripping it up enough
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  Speaker 2: to be able to get in. If you haven't seen
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: the video, you'll be able to jump on the Mix
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  Speaker 2: one O full nine website or Facebook page and you'll
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  Speaker 2: be able to see it on there. Then you have
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  Speaker 2: this whole group of youths get inside, they get into
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  Speaker 2: the smoke area.
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  Speaker 1: They then get into the alcohol area.
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  Speaker 2: They throw bricks at the glass windows in the alcohol area,
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: stell alcohol and steal cigarettes. Like you just got to
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: kind of ask yourself how much can one business take?
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: And it's bloody disgraceful what these people have done, absolutely disgraceful.
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: There there there is no acceptable reason for them doing this.
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: So for the lot overnight Strikeforce Trident has all those details.
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: Please responded very quickly to get out there, and they
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: are looking for you, so you will be caught, especially
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: when so many people in Darwin can now see your
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: information about it and the group earlier on the week. Again,
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: just the type of completely unacceptable anti social behavior.
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: Arrests have been made.
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: There are more charges that are going to be laid
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: with regards to that, but completely unacceptable. People shouldn't have
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: put up with that. Thank you to the police for
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: doing the work that they are doing. We do know
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: that we have got more people long grassing it in
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: town at the moment. I know that Assistant Commissioner Travis
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Wurst was on yesterday. We've got our Public Places committee
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: that are looking at it, and we're trying to target
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: our resources where we know that there are anti social
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: behavior hot spots where we're seeing people camping. But I
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: just want to be clear upfront some of the challenges
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: we're faced with having more people out and about at
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: the moment has been of course, we know the wet
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: season tends to be a hot time of the year.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: Because we get people in town, they get stuck for
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: weather reasons. We've also had biosecurity zones, and we've also
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: had COVID, and these have just been other factors that
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: have impacted it.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: We've had also our service providers.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: They have done their best to stay open to provide services,
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: but some have been impacted by COVID as well. So
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: we're going to be continuing the work every day to
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: manage those people. Work with Flower Care about return to country,
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: working with our homelessness services, about making sure that we
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: can get people to take up a bed rather than
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: long grassing at where we can.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: So usually because I think there's two very separate issues here.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Obviously there's the issue with youth crime, which we speak
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: about very regularly, and then there's the issue with people
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: sleeping on the streets. So usually we would have about
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: seven hundred people that are in town at any one
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: time from what I'm told living in the long Grass.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: At the moment we've got more than two thousand. Now
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: I understand obviously those biosecurity zones have had an impact
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: and various other things like those COVID payments. But right
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: now what were is being done to try to return
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: people to countries.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: So there's the cross government agency group that we've got
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: around public places, so it's Northern Territory government agencies, but
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: also working with non government agencies so places like Larakia,
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: places like US so.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: Bring up shelter. Making sure that we're delivering the return
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: to Country program.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: We've done work over the last few years to put
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: up more short term accommodation and you can see that
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: out there in the Multicultural Precinct where we've got accommodation
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: there for short term people staying in town. We've also
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: got ten million dollars from the federal government that they
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: promised last election for short term accommodation and that has
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: gone nowhere for the last three years, and they've just
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: come back and gone out with their candidate to re
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: announce that ten million dollars.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: So that's something we'd also like to see.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Get out of the ground, but unfortunately, you know, that
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: hasn't come to fruition despite the promises there.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: All right, Look, I want to say that I think
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: that the situation that we're in at the moment, it's
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: a lose lose for everybody. You know, we've got people
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: that are living in the long grass who in some
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: cases have got women and children with them. We spoke
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: to one of the assistant commissioners earlier in the week,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Michael White, who had told us that our domestic violence
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: rates are through the roof. So I think it's pretty
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: safe to say that people that are living in the
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: long grass, where there's alcohol being consumed in an inappropriate way,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: it's bad for them. It's then bad for the wider
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: community that is having to deal with the ramifications of that.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And then you look at what's going on for businesses
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: right now. It's pretty mortifying some of the stuff that
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: we're saying. You know. I'll give the example of even
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: going to the shops to do the food shopping with
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: the kids at three in the afternoon, and I spoke
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: to Travis Wurst about this yesterday, and you're turning up
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: and there is people drinking in excess in that car
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: park and then throwing bottles at each other. And then
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: there's been an assault on an innocent person, you know,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: in Casuarina just two weeks ago. At what point do
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: we go, right, we have like everybody needs to sit together,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: we need to work out how the bloody hell we're
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: going to I thought they said.
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: It just shows that Labour's crime and alcohol policy is
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: not working, and I heard Manner just talk about ten
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: million dollars, you know, problems for years ago. But the
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: Labor government had been in power here for the last
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: six years in a row essentially, and for the last
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: seventeen in our last twenty. So enough's enough. You can't
• 19:13
  Speaker 7: just keep blaming everyone else. It's now time for Michael
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: Garner to set up and go this is a serious problem.
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: Pull his hair out of the sand, because we're not
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: only talking about Darwin. We're talking right across in Allthern territory.
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: Our of Springs is out of control. Have been down
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: there myself to see gangs of people walking around. It's
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: just unsafe. And I'm a tall, big bloke and I
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: feel unsafe. So imagine if you're there with her family,
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: it will just be absolutely terrible. So it is really
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: time to I've stopped blaming everyone else. The government have
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: been in power for at least six years in a row,
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: and our crime figures are through the roof. For example,
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: the alcohol related crime last year there's four two hundred
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: and ninety four reported assaults. There's in one twenty and
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: twelve months, and for our domestic violence five five hundred
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: and twelve. That's what twelve or thirteen a day and
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: every day right across the whole year. So just sai
• 20:00
  Speaker 7: back and say, are we going to get this ten
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: million dollars they promised four years ago, were finally going
• 20:03
  Speaker 7: to get it. But let's put the big picture here.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: The government's been in power the crime. It's time to
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: get something done out of the sand.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: But that's not what I'm saying there. What I'm saying
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: is that that is another opportunity there. There's been ten
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: million dollars there, and that's another piece of the puzzle.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: We have to work together government, non government, federal government,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: councils and the community because there are deep systemic issues
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: in the Northern.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Territory to do a poverty well. And I think we
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: need to have to run back the point that's being
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: made today. And honestly, I'm at the point as well
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: where I think I don't want to I don't want
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: this to be a political shift fight for want of
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: a better word. I think there needs to be some
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: serious change in this space. But in the immediate like
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: right now, what is happening today when it comes to
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: people on the streets that are drinking in excess.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: So we have to I mean, sorry, Keaty, I'll let
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: you go.
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: Then only question I was going to pose is we
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: have our what do you call it? Show your license
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: when you sort of by alcohol takeaways and BDR. Now
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying people who do all these break ins
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: have lost their license, but if there's high domestic violence
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: rates and there's higher crime rates, my understanding was a
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: lot of those people get pot on the BDR. So
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: one of the issues that has to be considered in
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: the mix is the access to the alcohol. How do
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: they I'm apart from stealing it, but you know of
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: the fellows at the secondary supply or what's going on
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: by whatever. Now, there was an incident just down the
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: road from where I lived, just recently. Lots of people
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: I think they're from Managrita, they said one time they
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: hang out under the eaves of Bunning's place. Now there
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: was a violent assault there. One bloke was stabbed and
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: another lady was badly slashed.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Now is this a couple of days ago? Yep, yep, yep.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: You know, like an alcohol related clearly, now I know
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: there's a bottle shop nearby, but they're still somehow the
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: access to alcohol is very easy and that has to
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: be looked at in the mix as well.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: And secondary supply is a big issue. People who pedal
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: grow to problem drinkers. It's absolutely disgraceful. All our police
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: officers work hard when it comes to tackling secondary supply
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: through from a general duties level through to our property crime,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: our remote cops and traffic will keep an eye out
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: on people that are grog running as well out to
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: remote communities. But olcohol is definitely at the core of
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: a lot of these issues to do with violence.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: It absolutely is.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: And you know, I think that at the end of
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the day, everybody can see what the problems are. Everybody
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: like we all know what the issues are, but you
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: know today what's happening.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: So I've got record police budget, record numbers back to
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: communities today.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: With people that are on the streets that are behaving
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: in a really terrible way.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to talk through this. So we've got the
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: record numbers. We have got our sobering up shelter which
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: is twenty four hours seven.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: It's at the same.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but can I just remind you that wasn't in
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: place until we until post twenty sixteen. That's something else
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: put in place. We've increased Larichia night and day patrols.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: We have got the Return to Country program that we
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: work through. We have got police doing operational and targeted
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: patrols and areas that we know are hot spots.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: So with that return to country right now, are people
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: able to get back to country now that those biosecurity
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: zones have been lifted.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: So if anybody's having problems getting home or wants to
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: get home and doesn't have the finances to do it,
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: we want them to talk to Larichia Nation. We want
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: them to be able to access the Return to Country
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: program to get home to their community.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: So we have that home.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I guess over the last week with Larichia Nation, with
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: that program that's operating, it's.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: A constant push.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: They're constantly talking to people, making sure they know their options,
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: encouraging people who have gotten stuck to go out there
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: and go back where they can. So so it's an
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: ongoing program and I think Larakia Nation do a great
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: job talking to people out there.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: Plice talk to people about the Return to Country program
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I know that, Travis Wurston said on the show yesterday
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: that's one of his superintendents was meeting with other people
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: yesterday morning as we're talking it just before, what was
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: the outcome of that meeting and what are we going
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: to see as a result of that.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: So that's what I've just been talking through the Public
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Places Committee, all that operational information that they share that
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: they meet to make sure that their resources are being
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: targeted in the right place. So if they know they've
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: got a hot spot, they know they've got a big
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: camp out somewhere, if they know they are particular houses
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: where people are coming into and it's generating a lot
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: of activity, they work through all the different data what
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: they're all seeing and going, Okay, how do we best
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: push our resources out there to get the outcome which
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: we want, which is keeping people safe, making sure that
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: people need to get home, that we've got a way
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: to get them home, getting them into short term accommodation,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: and trying to keep them out of trouble when they're here.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: If people are.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Here and they are breaking the law, or they are
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: behaving in a way that is deemed unacceptable by our police,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: by the community, why are they allowed to stay?
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Well, because they break the law, they with and so
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: then go home. So people, I know it's frustrating, Yeah,
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: but you know, at the end of the day, people
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: have a choice about where they are and where they
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: moved to you if they've got bail conditions put onto them.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: So for example, if they've got bail conditions that say
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: that they can't be in a certain place, then they
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: need to abide by them. So there's some of the
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: conditions that people can work with.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: So, man, this is more than frustrating.
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: This is people are actually generally scared out that people
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: are generally getting hurt, like we've seen on a video
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: We're Innocent by Sander was punched in the face. You know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: he was trying to protect the owner of that shop.
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: So this is not this is a lot more than frustrating.
• 25:28
  Speaker 7: Michael Gunner previously said that you know that Alice Springs
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: crime wasn't really an issue. There's been an issue, right,
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: he had not come out and said anything to that.
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: Where's he been he send you out today his head
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: in the stand about crime because he's had the power
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: which six years and near all the stats are getting
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: worse and worse and worse, and it's generally dangerous out
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: there on the street.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Look, I think the really the pertinent thing to say
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: this morning, because a lot of people are really worried
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: at the moment they're feeling, not only like I think
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: it's past the point of frustrated, I think it is
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: at the point of feeling incredibly worried and feeling as
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: though nothing's ever going to change. So what would you
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: say to those people listening this morning that are feeling
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: like they are just at their wits end and that
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: it's not going to change.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: That the territory is a wonderful, wonderful place and it's
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: a great place to raise your family. That or they
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be living here, absolutely, And what I'm saying is
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: that this is a wonderful place. We do have issues, though,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: and we do target those issues by making sure we've
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: got the police resources, the non government resources, but we're
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: also looking at the areas that make fundamental change, so
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: better housing, making sure that we're working to.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: Have better education out there.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: We're targeting those zero to five cohorts to make sure
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: we're putting more support around parents to be able to
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: get those kids on the right path from the staff.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: So we're doing the things that have the.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Long term high impact, but we're also doing the short
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: term things with the targeted resourcing to go tackle those
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: issues of antisocial behavior and crime.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Frustrated for the police force that they're having to deal
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: with what it is and what was described yesterday by
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Travis Wurst as her boring behavior.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Police unfortunately have to see the worst past, the worst
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: parts of society's it's part and parcel of their job.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: When they're frustrated, they tell me, I get frustrated for them.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: So that's why I do everything I can as Police
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: Minister to make sure they've got the right resources, the
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: right legislation and the right support. Because it is not
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: always a police response. It does not always it should
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: not always fall to police. There are many other parts
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: of this. When it comes to doing crime, anti social
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: behavior issues that come from it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: We do and I say, the one thing I do
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: support the seal on is getting amendments to the bail
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: legislation because I can guarantee those young punks will get
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: charged and then they'll be let out on bail.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: I will say this, Keysier, We've got plenty of kids
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: that are in detention and they're certain conditions.
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: Review only about youse our bail was against anyone. So
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: when you're talking eighteen is to youth or over, we
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: were talking. Our bail legislation was dealing with those eighteen,
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: nineteen twenty year olds who are going out who your
• 28:10
  Speaker 7: bail men don't catch these people out here now who've
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: got through their use and now they're eighteen one day
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: or nineteen, and they don't get caught in this managing
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: bail stuff, so ultimately they get bailing are out doing
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: it again. It's that revolving door effect that the cop
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: tried to fix on the labor government shut down.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: And again, we've got plenty of people that are in detention,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: and when they are in detention, there is work with
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: them that happens to try to help around rehabilitation. We're
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: building a new youth detention center to make sure we
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: can put more contemporary rehabilitation.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: Processes in place.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: We will always try to work to help these people
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: get onto a better path, but make no mistake, if
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: they commit a crime, there are real serious consequences for it.
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: My understanding is if you're in remind you don't have
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: access to any of the rehabilitation services. So while you're
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: waiting around and waiting for your court casing and.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Your remind so you have a parent, contact me about it.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Don't parent contact me about this.
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: These people go inside for a short stay which is
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: meant to be the big stick in to terran and
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: they don't have any access to any rehabilitation at all,
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: and then they let out after being in time in jail.
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: I've got some new group of friends, so you know
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: that could be a problem. What about getting some rehabibility
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: and services to those people on remand?
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we do try to get what support we can
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: in place for people in remand but as we know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: it is a shorter term period there where people are
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: in remand the best work you can do is the
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: longer you've got people in there in those cribit you.
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: Want to deal with those people are in there for
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: a month in and out and get the tastes of
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: this go on. I want to go back and give
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: them some service, who give them some help and that's
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: where the people that need that help and at the
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: moment they're not getting it. And I think Assistant Commission
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: Michael White said, domestic violence is there's ten years high.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I said that on the show earlier for the last.
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: Six years, and there's been no action and the crime
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: rates are going up and up and up.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Well, i'll dispute that there's not no action. There's a
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: hell of a lot of auction. It's the evidence and
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: we are working very hard to deal with those issues
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: because DV is absolutely appalling and there's a huge amount
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: of work happening in that space.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Well, we're going to take a very short break. You
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: are listening to Mix one O four point nine and
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: in the studio with me this morning, we've got Jared Maylee,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Keesyerpuric and Nicole Madison. Now we do know it's being
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: reported today by the Northern Territory News. At the Darwin
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Turf Club, the chief executive, Brad Morgan has resigned amid
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: growing concern about the organization's ability to repay a twelve
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: million dollar grant which is being chased by the Northern
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Territory Government. So the NT News understands that the Territory
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Government's put into action the Chief Minister Michael Gunner's threat
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: to recoup that twelve million dollar grant that it gave
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: the Darwin Turf Club to build the grand stand. Now,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the Northern Territory News has sent the government a series
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: of questions apparently around recouping that grant, including the legal
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: basis upon which it's which the claim's based. Manow, are
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: you able to actually get this money back?
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Well, we are.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: She'd be pursuing that twelve million dollars to get it
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: paid back. That Ikak report was very serious with its findings,
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: and we think the thing to do is to get
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: the turf Club to pay that money back to taxpayers.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: What I did find interesting.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Though, was that the leader of the opposition has come
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: out to say that they shouldn't have to pay back
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: that twelve million dollars in taxpayer funding.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think they should have been given in the
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: first place.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: That's the problem. You shouldn't have been given in the
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: first place. It shows it's a dodgy deal from the beginning.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think you've got a leg to stand up
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: that after you guys hand it at all.
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: If you would have done your job at the beginning
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: and actually looked at it and assessed it as a normal,
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: normal application properly, it probably weren't even gone there in
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: the first place.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: So you can try and throw anyone under the bus,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: but this is.
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: Here.
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: He's the one that needs to go on the bus.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: He needs to step on to responsibility. It's you and
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: the labor government have done this. They're throwing anyone on
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: the bus. But they won't accept the responsibility that they
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: took it in the cabinet. Ok they did the dodge
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: and the.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Money to stand with you don't pay back that money.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Don't pay back the money. That are you going to say?
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: We need to say, don't even look at why the
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: money was given. Why was.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Honestly I'm just going to step in for a second.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I cannot believe that the government's even going down that
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: path manner of saying, oh the CLP having a crack
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: at the CLP.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: You guys gave money.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: The money have to have this argument.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, what but when that tender was awarded, government went
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: in to say and asked some very serious questions, do
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: you try that.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Money get awarded?
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Do that the government would.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: They were not honest in the information they gave back.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: And that's why we're pursuing that twelve million dollars.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: And noone knows what happened in cabinet.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: No one.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: She goes back further than that. The application of the
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: letters went into the government agency and from the government agency,
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: the Business Department whatever it's called, flicked it across to
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: the Chief Minister's department.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Explicted the carrot.
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: Now I don't I don't personally believe that they should
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: pay the money back. They took the money, okay, the
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: processes were forwed Okay, there was an ik investigation and
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: a report. But let's be very clear about that report.
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: I think there are three, if not four cases before
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: the Supreme Court to do with that report. The report
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: was flawed in my opinion, and we know why it
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: was flawed. So the government gave them the money. How
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: they gave them money if it was a dodgy deal, Okay,
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: it was a dodgy deal, But why in the hell
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: should they pay it back. They used the money, they
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: built a grand stand all for infrastructure improvements at that
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: racing fraternity club, whatever you want to call it. Because
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: the horse industries across the territory, across the Australia are
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: big generators of economic activity. Now pay it back.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I didn't know why.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: Michael Gunner says, oh, I want to get the money back. Well,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: you gave the money in the first place. You're Indian giver.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: Now you want to take it back.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm also supporting.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: The Lord Club.
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: I just think it's a flawed process paid out of
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: his own money.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Honestly, it's been a debarcle from the get going, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: I think that it is like to me, I just
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: find it astonishing that the government's now having a crack.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: At the c LP over money that they've handed out.
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I don't think what the government should do
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: is come on, come clean about fill us what happened
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: at cabinet.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: And we made it care that we are pursuing.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Why should the turf Club in penalized because the government
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: cocked it up?
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: So there we go.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: The CLP don't think the money should be paid back,
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: but I.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Thought the money should be handed over in the first place,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: and don't go back to the old.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Oh but they didn't provide this.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Info because none of you should know how you guys
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: provided or what happened in cabinets.
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: And I think the opportunity the open parented territories and
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: put this matter to bed for all.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: And so we're gold and do it Charlotte happening, We're
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: going to come out of.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Everybody to say a huge and we're still pursuing that
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: twelve million is missing.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Let's make it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: There's a huge part that's missing.
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: I think three if not four court cases underweight at
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: the moment about that report.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Well, anyways, clearly that money needs to be paid back. Absolutely.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: I think that report was very clear that there were
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: some processes there that simply were not right. The IKAC
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: had some very serious findings and we will be pursuing.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: That can you legally get that money back?
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: We are pursuing that twelve million dollars kdie. We're looking
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: at ways to do it. There's been conversations had with
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Thoroughbed Racing and the Turf Club and we will be
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: pursuing that.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: What like, how.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Can you you know, what are you looking at in
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: terms of you said that you're looking at different ways
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: to pursue it.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: What do you need to kind of tick off for whatever?
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Here is it a situation where it's pretty difficult to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: be able to get twelve million back after you've already
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: handed it over and gone through that process. And this
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: has been worked through right now, it is important to
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: recognize that the dull On Turf Club and the Cup
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Carnival are really important parts of our economy and it
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: is a really fantastic industry there, so we need to
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: make sure that they can do this in a way
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: that keeps everything going forward with horse racing.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: The grand standout no lead to friends pass. That's good idea,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: which pass?
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I tell you, I'm laughing because this whole situation is
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: just very astonishing to me.
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: It's just amazing how Michael Gunner hasn't come out and
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: accepted responsibility, always passed, always someone else.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: He needs to come up. He electric wow, wow, wow.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: You guys are saying, don't take the money back.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: He's a dodgy deal.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: You're saying, don't take the money back, and your leader.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: It's so bizarre, like matter, I can't believe that, Like
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: you can't see how bizarre it is to even be
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: having that argument right now when you guys gave it
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: over in the first place and processed apparently, but even
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: if you peel away all of that right from the
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: word go, you gave it away on a week where
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: we had code yellow at the hospital, where you know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: people were screaming out about the issues within the health
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: system and going, why are we giving twelve million dollars
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: for a grand stand?
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: You know, like it was a bad political decision.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Even if you take away all the other stuff, it
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: wasn't a good political decision at the time.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: I think the report has been very thorough.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: There's going to be a very strong economic return from
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: that grand stand and again we're going to pursue this
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: kind to be.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: A very strong economic return. Why do you want your
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: twelve million back?
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Because of the report it found that there were some
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: very serious findings there against some of those members of
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: the teach clubs.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: We're asking for money back?
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: Does that really show that you were wrong to give
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: him and start with your process?
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: That's be wrong? Is that why you're asking for it?
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: The conduct of some of those members of that board
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: was wrong.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: All right, let's take a short break because I still
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: want to talk about the CLPS woes that's coming your
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: way in just a couple of moments on Mix one
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: oh four nine and Well, we really can't finish the
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: week that was this week without talking about the situation
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: that the CLP has been in over the last few days.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: So over the weekend, Jared had your Central Council meeting
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: and the President, Jamie de Brenny, stood down from the
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: role and then stepping into the place of Jamie's Fiona Darcy,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: who we spoke to earlier in the week. And then
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of discussion now about whether the CLP
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: is going to be able to stay registered. Obviously, you
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: either need fifteen hundred members as I understand it, or
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: a senator or a member, and potentially you might need
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: to borrow a senator from the NATS from Interstates.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: What is going on?
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: That's just a completely mute point. We are a political party.
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: We're in force here. We've got a great team who's
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: running for the federal We've got Damien Ryan in the South,
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: Who've got Tina in the up the front, and we've
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: got your Center as a senator. They are going to
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: run under a CLP maanator banner, full stop all Like
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: the way you.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Said that sounds like you've got a football team.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: There, you candidate.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Mean, I think the problem here is I think the
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: discussion that a lot of people have been kind of
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: wondering is does the CLP have fifteen hundred members? And
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I guess the same question could be asked of the ALP.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: But you know, I know that it's it's probably not
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: going to have an impact in any way shape or form.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: But is it also party that's divided? I think is
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: probably the question that a lot of people are wondering.
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: No, our party is strong. We just had our central counsel.
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: We all came together from right across the cherry till
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: we had a great there as there the whole weekend.
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: I think our party is stronger than ever. Fion is
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: going to lead us up into the election and we
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: are going to have a great outcome.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Well, it certainly doesn't look like that from the outside,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: and what we've seen is the CLP seemed to be disintegrating.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: When things get tough at a party level, your leader
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Leah goes m I A. She's not presenting a vision
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: to pull that party together. You are divided.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: You are directionless and Jess, when you are going to step.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Up that talk about.
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: You know, Leah is our leader. She's got the wings
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: one hundred percent of support. Our wing is solid. We
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: are great team. We are really holding the government to account.
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: You can see that boat with the government are squirming
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: in our questions and never answered.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: From off a by election.
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: I don't mind helping people in other constituencies, like sometimes
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: people from Howard Springs, they know me, so they come
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: and see me. But I am getting an increase of
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: people coming from Darn River Dam and Berry Springs to
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: my electoral office, which tells me your member is not servicing.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: The people in his elect doing an amazing job.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: He's not just because.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Coming to me saying, well, we can't get hold out there, Dured.
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: Well, he's doing a great job. He is out and
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: about he is. This is absolutely yes, it is. He's
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: doing a fantastic job. But again, that was a big
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: loss to you guys. You lost from opposition a by election.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: That is an unprecedented result. It speaks volumes of the
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: issues that you guys have got in there, and you
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: need to really seriously reflect upon the daily by election.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: I think I'd like to just put one comment in
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: about the forthcoming federal election. I hope whoever I'm in
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: Lingarias is Jared now, mister Snowden, who's been our local
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: member for the last fifty.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Million years years. I think.
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: Didly squat for the rule. He's for the greater rule area.
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: We only ever saw him come election time. He'd pop
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: up like a little bad penny. If these new candidates
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: are going to do anything, at least address some of
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: the issues in the greater rural Area that require federal
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: assistance or support or support to the NT government because
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: generally you get the federal candidates talk about urban areas
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: and then they jump straight to remote communities and elsewhere.
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: There's never that big chunk of twenty five to thirty
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: thousand people in the greater rule area that these federal
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: candidates rarely address.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: I would argue that the rural area, like Lingiari, is
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: a fascinating seat. Rural area, remote communities and urban centers
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: like you couldn't get a more diverse electorate.
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: I do.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: There's a big chunk in the top end the massive
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: voting numbers that Lingari of the rural area demonstrate. You
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: know that needs ignortant to take care of those people,
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: and I have no doubt that Marian Scrimshaw will do that.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: We've run out of time, as we always do on
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: a Friday morning. It's certainly been a very busy one.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Jered Mayley, the Deputy Opposition Leader, thank you so much
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: for your time this morning.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Kesiopuric, the Independent Member Forging, thank you. And Nicole Madison,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: the Deputy Chief Minister and Police Minister, thank you for
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: your time.
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: Thanks