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The Drawn Out / Sunmancer · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Good close as that. Welcome to the Black Sheet Podcast. Today we have
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  Mackenzie from the Drawn Out Colorado Band. Right, yeah? Are you in
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  Colorado right now? I am Denver? Yeah, awesome, great. So
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  we are not from Colorado, but we came across you guys, and we
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  really really like what you guys have going on, and I think that I
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  think that your guys' music is super enjoyable for just about everybody. You guys
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  have something for everybody. So, Mackenzie, how are you doing today?
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  Good? Pretty good? You know, I have two little kids and we
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  we just kind of hung out at home today. It was a really chill
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  day. It was nice. So school out yet almost next week? Yeah,
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  I'm homeschooling them, so I'm pumped. I cannot wait. You are
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  I am? Yeah? Yeah? So does your school ever get out?
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  Then? Is the question? All right? It does get out? I'm
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  giving us a summer vacation. I'm like, I'm not, I cannot Yeah,
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  I gotta take a break. Well, what are you guys gonna do
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  on summer vacation here? You know, we don't really have a ton planned
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  at the moment or anything like that. No, we're doing just like shows
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  around Denver. Touring with little kids is tricky, so we're just playing on
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  staying local for now, you know, going like Colorado Springs and four Collins,
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  but you know local ish, sure, yeah, love it. Yeah
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  sick. Well, I mean, Colorado is always always a good time.
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  And so I would imagine being like a kid who's being homeschooled in Colorado.
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  I'm sure you guys like aren't literally homeschooling every day in the mountains, but
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  like it would be fun to, like I wish, all right, field
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  trip kids going to the mountains, let's go. You know, there are
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  some days like that. But my mom homeschooled me and all my siblings,
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  and she would do that. She'd just be like, Okay, we gotta
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  give it out of the house. So we're gonna go to the you know,
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  we're gonna go date, take a field trip to the lake or something
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  that's that's like the mom's version, like the homeschool mom version of wheelan in
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  a TV cart and being like, all right, kids, bill nye today,
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  I give up. Yeah, you just go out and explore. I
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  can't. I'm done. Love that. Well, let's talk about the drawn
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  out I know you guys started like almost a decade ago, but like you
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  really have more consistently been putting out music more recently. So even though you've
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  been around kind of for a decade as a band, it's more kind of
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  more recent in a lot of ways. I'm sure you think of it,
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  but yeah, just talk about how like you even wanted to start playing music
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  and do this kind of music that eventually you called the Drawn Out. Yeah,
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  it's funny. Everything happened like really organically. I did like some overseas
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  mission work when I was in my early when I was like twenty, and
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  I came back from that and I was like, I don't know how to
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  process like what just happened with my wife, And so I just started like
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  writing songs about it. And yeah, just kind of like naturally started flowing
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  out. And then my sister Cassidy, she's our lead singer, but she
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  has an amazing voice. Since I was like, do you want to sing
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  with me on some of these songs, and we were just like singing them
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  in our room. We shared the basement in my parents' house and yeah,
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  basement kid, and yeah, and so I was just like teaching her of
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  the songs and you know, telling her what to sing and stuff, and
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  my dad, my dad has like the best music taste, Like I trust
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  his music taste so much. He heard us singing and he's like, this
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  is really good and he doesn't just like give those out all the time.
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  So I was like, oh, okay. And then they encouraged us to
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  do like some open open mics around Denver. We did a couple of those.
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  They went really well, and we always wanted to, you know,
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  like turn it into a full band, but it was just me and my
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  sister, and so it was kind of more like folky super singer songwriter kind
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  of stuff. But I grew up like listening to you know, Manchester Orchestra
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  and as Cities and you all the good stuff. Yeah, and I always
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  wanted to like be a band like that, but like the girl version of
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  that basically. Yeah. And so fast forward a couple of years. I
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  met my husband and he's an amazing guitar player, and so he kind of
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  married into the band and that was that a part of the vows. It's
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  like, by the way, you're gonna be committed to me, you're gonna
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  be committed to the band, right, Like that's the more serious just so
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  you know, yes, that was in the vows for sure, in sickness
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  and health and inand was your husband also into the same kind of music that
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  you were into. Yeah, he had a little bit more like pop punky,
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  like huge blankwn Eddie two fan. He grew up in San Diego,
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  so he's a little bit more like San Diego punk. Yeah, so it's
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  a little different, but basically the same. You know. We a lot
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  of bands crossed over into those genres, so sure, yeah, yeah.
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  And so then after we got married, he he was already playing in a
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  couple other bands, and so he brought in our his drummer and then his
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  bass player, and there you go. That turned into a full band,
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  and then we were able to kind of make like the more you know,
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  I don't know if emo is the right word, but like just punky girl
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  rock band kind of vibe that we've always wanted. Yeah, Well, and
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  I think that's why it's so it's so fun, because it really does have
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  kind of like all the elements of of bands that I don't know, Mason
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  and I listened to. I mean, Mason and I really love indie indie
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  rock. It's got some element, it's got some pop punk element. It's
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  got some of that as Cities Burned kind of style here once in a while
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  as well. And and it's it's you know, on top is this young,
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  beautiful light voice that just kind of that pulls it all together. It's
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  it's really enjoyable to listen to. And I think that I was saying earlier
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  it's kind of for everybody, Like, was that was that like a thought
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  process when you were no, not. I mean, you know you want
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  that. I guess you want everyone to be able to listen to it and
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  enjoy it. But it wasn't like an intentional thought of like I want to
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  make this everyone's favorite thing. But I I'm thankful that my sister is just
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  her voice is so like just sounds so nice and almost angelic sometimes that I
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  do think it really like can fit a lot of people and they're you know,
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  what they like to listen to. So yeah, it's just been like
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  a fun little thing that people have told us, and I'm like, that's
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  great. I didn't like set out for that necessarily, but I love it.
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  I don't think it's really well produced, like in a way where it
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  doesn't sound fabricated at all, like you know, like it sounds like,
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  you know, real drums, and you even get like those moments of you
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  know, in indie rock. You know, you mentioned some of your favorite
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  bands and like those kind of indie or punk or hardcore kind of bands,
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  like you want to hear kind of a little bit of the mistakes in even
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  like the strumming of the guitars and whatnot. And but but not to a
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  degree where it like actually depreciates the quality of the music. But but you're
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  like, you nailed that so well. And for somebody, it doesn't sound
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  like you were in like a ton of bands or anything right beforehand. So
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  so like for somebody who's sort of new to the production process, it's really
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  well done. And I don't know who's like kind of behind the production of
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  it, but I think the production side of it sounds really really well done,
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  especially for a band that's so brand new. Thank you. That means
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  so much. Yeah, that's really I I appreciate what you're saying. My
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  bass player, her name is Melna Roberts. So her and her husband they
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  have their own studio, so they do all of our recordings. Her husband
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  Corbyn, Yeah, her husband Corbyn is the producer and they just like I
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  usually come to them and I'm like, I don't know, I have this
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  idea, here's a song. I don't know what to do with it.
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  I'm thinking this, like how do I make it happen? And they can
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  just get exactly what I'm trying to say and help it, you know,
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  turn into a full thing that I'm like, that's my favorite part. I'm
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  kind of bringing everyone this idea and I'm like, I give them the rough
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  draft of the song and the yeah I am yeah, yeah. So I
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  like, yeah, I write all the music initially, and then I kind
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  of send it off and I'm like, okay, guys, what do you
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  think here we go there's no sun and yeah, and then usually they're like,
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  oh, this is really good, Like I think we should do this
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  and this and this and and then they just make it exactly what I was
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  picturing in my head. You just like, you know, you know the
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  right people and you married the right people. Yeah, honestly, yes,
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  it's the biggest blessing. Like I was gonna say, this is like mom
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  and pop d y all the way. It really is. Yeah, And
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  that's why I love about it so much. Like I mean, I would
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  love to you know, be I have dreams and goals for us, you
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  know, someday. But it's really nice that we can have so much control
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  of everything and how everything's produced and written and and we're just literally doing it
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  all ourselves, which can be really hard, but also there's a good side
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  to it. I mean, even like the artwork, I'm like so impressed
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  by the band, like the band photo shoots and stuff like everything about it.
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  It feels like, how is this like a you know, small band
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  in Denver, Like like I like, I look at just like the artwork
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  and the production and everything about it. I'm like, this seems like a
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  really good signed band that should be touring the world right now. And and
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  you guys are just Denver that more people need to know about. Thank you,
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  Oh my gosh. And I would say the same thing about your social
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  media. You think that's actually where I found you guys first. I think
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  I found a video of your guys. Is that okay? That kind of
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  you know, popped off. I was like, hey, this is kind
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  of cool you guys. You guys have a good vibe about you, you
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  know, so thank you. That means so much, Like gosh, social
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  media it's hard. I know, you just ever really know what's working,
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  and like you're just throwing stuff out there hoping it works. But yeah,
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  yeah, it's it's it's a difficult, difficult world to navigate. And I
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  think it's even more difficult for bands because there's a million and one bands plus,
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  right, I mean, and there's always going to be more, and
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  there's always going to be someone with something fancier, newer, nicer, whatever
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  it is. It just it's hard to know what the right direction is to
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  go. Yeah, definitely. And I think it's hard with musicians too,
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  because there's like this part of you that wants to be like mysterious, right,
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  and you know, you don't want to be making these like cringey tiktoks
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  or whatever, at least for me, like I would rather just be like
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  the serious one, like what is you know, like not doing all these
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  weird things. But it's you just have to do it, I guess at
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  this day and age, and so that's been a learning curve for sure.
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  But I appreciate you saying I feel like it's a running gag now Mackenzie on
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  this podcast that I almost every episode bring up a band called the Chariot,
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  which I'm sure you probably grew up with the Chariot if you were a Solid
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  State and Tooth and Nail fan, But this is not about the Chariot.
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  So The Chariot on their last album had a song called Your which was like
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  a remake by a person named Angela Plaque, and she started a band later
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  on, I think even probably after the Chariot broke up, but she started
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  a band called Bandit, like you know, like a like a Bandit like
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  the sound, and she like the vibe and the sound is so similar the
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  like the first moment I heard, like the first song from you guys,
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  I'm like, oh my god, that this reminds me of Bandit. And
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  I always thought Bandit should have gotten really big, but they just really like
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  They released one album in like twenty maybe fifteen, and then haven't done anything
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  since. But I don't know, if you've ever heard a Bandit or anything,
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  you have to check them out. Is totally similar vibes. That sounds
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  amazing. They also did a cover. It's probably their most popular song,
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  but they did a cover of Where's My Mind? By oh Man, Why
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  am I blinking on their name right now? By the Pixies, but they
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  did a cover of Where's Your Mind and or Where's My Mind? And but
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  your your voice is so similar to hers too, like not just like the
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  voice, but just like the overall kind of indie sound to it, Like
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  everything about it, it's like so similar. And I'm like, oh,
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  I love that. Like you both are just like so good at what you
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  do, and like I wish both you know, I wish your band got
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  bigger or is bigger? I wish it got bigger. Yeah, I'm just
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  like everything about it is like these are the bands in the world that you
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  know, people need to be listening to. Yeah, that's great. I
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  need to music to listen to. I'm like hitting a lull lately, So
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  I'm gonna go check them out. Sweet. Well, one other question I
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  had just you know, you mentioned that you homeschool your kids, and so
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  I'm guessing you're probably home most of the day with your kids. And for
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  a lot of moms I've heard, you know, especially moms of like younger
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  kids. You know, so much of your identity is wrapped around like being
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  a mom, right, and especially with you being home with the kids every
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  day, you know, that's like a big part of your identity and that's
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  great and also and I'm sure that's fulfilling it, but also like you know
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  that there's like so much more to who you are. So i'd imagine a
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  project like this being you know, also being a mom and probably spending most
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  of your days doing that. But I would imagine like a project like this
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  and like being able to be like super creative. Uh, this has got
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  to be like something like so fulfilling and like probably something fun to like,
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  Oh, that's that's like a new part of me that maybe I didn't know
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  before or like, you know, anyway, I'm just like curious like maybe
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  your thoughts around like how that just being in a band and like creating something
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  like this has and like really fulfilling for you in the midst of knowing that
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  like it's probably not the main thing that you're doing every single day. Right,
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  Oh, I love that question. That's great. Yeah. I think
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  that becoming a mom I think was the best thing I could have ever done
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  to become a better songwriter. I think that it's almost kind of like looked
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  down if you have kids and you have a band, and it's like how
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  could you do both? Like people always ask me that how are you doing
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  this? You have a band and you have kids, Like who does that?
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  And I'm like, it's the best thing I've ever done because before when
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  I was writing songs like you know, it's fine, whatever, But after
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  having kids, you just change so much and I feel like there's so much
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  more depth to me as a person. I've grown so much and I feel
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  like I can write the right songs about how poop got on the wall.
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  Yeah, right, why are you sticky? You didn't have that in you
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  when you were sixteen? Right, so yeah, exactly, And my songs
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  are way deeper now. No, but yeah, I think in that way,
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  I think it's been amazing doing both projects, like being a mom having
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  this project, like I feel like it's grown me a lot. But it's
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  also it's such a nice like outlet to have, Like I think it would
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  be really hard if I didn't have a creative outlet to turn to and I
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  was just constantly in mom mode me personally, I would that would be rough.
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  That'd be rough for me. I feel like I have to have something
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  I'm kind of you know, I can still be myself, be outside of
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  my motherhood where you can say something no I was agreeing with you. Yeah,
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  you got to compress somehow, right, Yes, exactly. Yeah,
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  And I think like just writing songs like after the kids go to bed helps
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  you like kind of process with the day of like maybe you had a rough
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  day with them. So yeah, like I think it's challenging. It's definitely
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  not as easy to like, you know, just get shows all the time
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  or go on tour whatever, like takes a lot more planning and babysitters,
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  but it's it's the best to do both things, Like I love it.
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  Yeah. Yeah, you talked to earlier about how you had gone on like
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  overseas missions. Yeah. Is that did you grow up in like a very
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  religious household and is that's something that you've kind of continued on with or do
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  you have like a different take on it nowadays or what's what's all that stuff
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  look like? Because we are we are semi yeah, Christian related on this
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  podcast, despite what some people think, we're not a Christian podcast where Christians
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  in a podcast, that's right, right, We're not a Christian band,
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  a Christians in a band. Yes, yeah, I grew up in a
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  very very conservative Christian household. I'm one of six kids. We are all
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  homeschooled, and I, I think, like every teenager, you know,
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  I was pretty rough for my parents. I didn't like I didn't fully understand
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  what what we were learning about in church. I was like does it really
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  matter? You know, like just kind of annoyed that I had to go.
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  But one of the best things is I asked, like the worship team
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  at our church basically fell apart, and they're like, we need someone to
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  do worship, and so I kind of just got like pushed in there at
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  like sixteen doing that. I had no idea what I was doing, but
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  I think that was like the best thing that could have happened to me,
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  because one, it really showed me like, oh, I have a love
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  for music, and this is kind of a way I can Like I wasn't
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  really playing or doing anything with music other than just listening to it. So
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  yeah, it was really good to learn how to play with the band and
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  all that. And then once I graduated high school, I was kind of
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  like I don't know what to do now, Like what do I do with
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  my life? You know? And my mom's like, why don't you go
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  on a mission trip? Like that might be fun for you. I'd be
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  good. So I ended up going to youth with the mission why Wham if
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  you know about that. Yeah, and they have a campus here in Denver.
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  So I was there like the first half, just here in Denver,
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  and they did like a there was like a musicians school that they were doing,
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  so everyone that I was with were musicians and it was kind of like
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  a common interest. So anyway, I was here in Denver for the first
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  three months and then three months in Asia that was in Yeah, I was
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  in Thailand and Cambodia for a month and a half each place, and or
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  a couple of weeks whatever, and yeah, working with like sex trafficking and
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  stuff there, and it completely changed my life. And so I think ever
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  since then, I've like really been on fire for the Lord and I'm just
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  so thankful that worship and doing music. I got kind of pushed into that
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  role even though maybe I shouldn't have been doing that. Yeah, I don't
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  know what I was doing. I think it like kind of set the trajectory
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  for my life. So yeah, I love that. Yeah, you know,
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  it is kind of interesting. I feel like I feel like every small
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  town or like medium sized town at least where I'm from they have uh,
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  you know, like five or six families that are just like you guys,
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  right, large family, very very conservative, usually homeschooled, And every single
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  time I'm amazed at like the talent and the different ways that they present themselves,
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  you know, because I mean it's a completely different kind of lifestyle and
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  what most people are experiencing growing up, and it's got to be a very
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  difficult thing to try to navigate. So there's more than one outlet for you,
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  thankfully that you know, allows you to interact with the world in yeah,
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  in an authentic way for yourself. Yes, my parents, Uh,
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  when you're homeschool obviously you don't really have gym class. And so for our
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  gym class, we always had to be playing a sport. So thankfully because
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  me and my brothers all played hockey and so we have that really yeah wow,
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  yeah, our ice hockey family. I know, they picked the most
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  expensive sport to get their kid into. I know, right, who can
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  fight the best? Who can who throws the gloves off and just immediately is
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  ready to go that you probably if you ask my brothers, they would tell
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  you differently. But I'm gonna say meat because I'm a lot more fight like
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  they they're just like so chill like whatever. I have like a lot more
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  fighty than them, So I would say me, I love that. Somebody's
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  got put your brothers in place in the place I know exactly. Sounds like
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  you guys need to start at your concerts. I that's coming someday. He
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  there we go. That kind of music's putting it out there. That's great.
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  Well, speaking of you guys in music, what can we expect in
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  the future. Obviously your EP came out last year. Is there anything that
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  we can maybe expect this year or sometime in the future. Yes, we're
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  currently recording a new EP. Yeah, and yeah, we were just we
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  just finished all the bass parts yesterday and so that should be coming out.
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  I don't know the exact timeline, but I'm going to say somewhere maybe the
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  fall Ish Okay followed this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you guys
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  are like you're starting to kind of get into a rhythm. It sounds like,
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  yes, yeah, I feel like we're really kind of like hitting our
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  straw, not like I don't know if hitting our strides the right thing,
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  but just kind of figuring out how we work as a band. And yeah,
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  like figuring out our schedule of how we like to do things. I
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  think that's taken us a little bit of time, especially with me having kids.
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  That's kind of hard. But I think we're kind of figuring out,
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  like every couple of months we like to, you know, do writing retreats
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  and that kind of stuff, and then EPs are just easier. We would
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  love to make a full album, but you know, we talk to a
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  lot of bands that that are that are kind of just on EP train because
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  it keep things fresh, makes you a little bit more like even really established
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  bands, they're like, yeah, IP route, especially in the like midst
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  of streaming, and it's like, seems to be the best, totalest way
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  to do it. Yeah, I mean that's what I keep hearing, so
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  oh yeah again, Like I would love to have a full album someday,
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  but for now, EP's singles that seems to be our our zone. Yeah.
• 23:53
  Well, I'll tell you this much. I would much rather write a
• 23:56
  really well written three page paper than a yeah, half well done right,
• 24:04
  like mediocre right yeah, totally, neither of which he does very well.
• 24:10
  But I get the sentiment. No, I totally get that. I appreciate
• 24:14
  it. Right, Well, we look forward to new music coming out at
• 24:18
  some point sounds like this year, so we're looking forward to it. Mackenzie,
• 24:22
  You're ready for your top five most influential artists artists? Sorry, album
• 24:29
  album it's like our one hundred and seventy fifth show. It's it's not like
• 24:33
  I haven't done this before. What in the world? Okay? I am
• 24:37
  like really bad at album names, so I I'm sorry if I miss some
• 24:42
  of them up, but like pronouncing them or remembering just like remember, I'm
• 24:45
  like, oh that one album with the you know, the front looks like
• 24:48
  this, Like I'm really bad at remembering album names, so I try to
• 24:52
  help you. I've got Wikipedia ready to go. Okay, just let me
• 24:57
  know. Okay, great, do I started like number five and go up
• 25:00
  to You can go whatever order you want or no order. That's fine,
• 25:03
  okay, Okay. I think we're going to start out with the band Microwave,
• 25:11
  Oh yeah, yeah and their album what is It Much Love? I
• 25:15
  think, yeah, Much Love? Did you write these down? Yes?
• 25:22
  Did I write them? Did you write them down beforehand? I know I
• 25:26
  went to oh gotcha, I was gonna say you're looking down. I was
• 25:30
  like, holy, I opened up my what do you tell her my Apple
• 25:33
  Music. I'm an Apple Music person, So that's a good call. Yeah,
• 25:38
  the top Why why Microwave? What what is it about Microwave that I
• 25:45
  love Microwave. I think he has well just their energy great, but he's
• 25:51
  also such a good songwriter, Like some of his songs are so he just
• 25:56
  like he can write like really tongue cheek, but then he can also write
• 26:00
  like super deep and I love that. And also his voice I just think
• 26:04
  is really really good. So I saw them live recently and it was amazing,
• 26:08
  like one of the best bands I've ever seen life. Really, Yeah,
• 26:14
  Mason and I are gonna have to go. Yeah, I mean I
• 26:15
  love like that, like in the sort of scene of you know, from
• 26:18
  the era that they're in, and like the kind of genre that they're in.
• 26:22
  And they obviously they play with bands like Drug Church and all the Good
• 26:27
  Staff. Yeah, like all that whole site, like Basement, all that
• 26:30
  that whole scene. And I love all of those bands. But I haven't,
• 26:33
  for whatever reason, just quite gotten into Microwave. And I think it's
• 26:36
  more of like a lack of trying rather than like me really trying to get
• 26:38
  into them. And so I think they're just a band that I just need
• 26:41
  to listen to more and I think eventually it will start clicking for me.
• 26:45
  Yeah, maybe you know, try it again, Yeah, just give them
• 26:49
  another chance. Yeah. I like how you said that, like Mason was
• 26:53
  your homeschooled child. Yeah, like you can try try a little harder basically
• 26:59
  even this top button. Okay, next, I'm torn. I think I'm
• 27:10
  gonna have to say Devil and God by brand New. Oh, just like
• 27:15
  you know, like literally shaped me, so it has to be in there.
• 27:21
  Oh my gosh, you are like yeah, I really, I really
• 27:25
  am. Yeah, and I don't listen to anything new really like Microwaves snuck
• 27:30
  in there as like a newer band, but I'm still listening to I mean,
• 27:34
  brands name is literally brand news, So I mean you can pretty much
• 27:37
  claim that you're listening to brand new stuff. That's true. I like that.
• 27:44
  Yeah. Third, I would probably go, uh, there's so many
• 27:49
  good news without you albums. This is hard, but oh you're gonna make
• 27:53
  very happy man, especially Yeah, I probably was a brother sister. Is
• 28:00
  that the name of that Yeah album? Yeah, I guess I'd probably go,
• 28:04
  Yeah, there's a lot of good ones I could pick with them,
• 28:07
  but that one was very influential. What is it about me? What is
• 28:11
  it about me without You? Because I definitely get like a me without you
• 28:15
  vibe from you. Oh, but I'm curious what is it about me without
• 28:19
  you? Or specifically brother's sister that gets you. I think that album specifically
• 28:26
  was when I was like really kind of understanding, like, oh, I
• 28:30
  don't know how to explain this, but like I was kind of like,
• 28:34
  oh, I he's like taking me on like a biblical journey, and it
• 28:40
  really just kind of like was eye opening for me of like writing basically just
• 28:45
  writing worship songs in like completely different contexts that I'd never experienced before. So
• 28:52
  I think that's why I'm such a big Me Without You fan. Like,
• 28:55
  he's just such a good songwriter. It's crazy, like how like there's so
• 29:00
  many songs that he's written that I'm like, I'm so jealous. I wish
• 29:03
  I wish I came out with that. I don't even write music and I
• 29:07
  feel that way. Yeah. Did you see them on their farewell tour in
• 29:11
  Denver? Oh? Yeah, Oh I was. I I went to that
• 29:14
  show really yeah, at that show, Yeah, it was amazing. It
• 29:19
  was a good time. That's so cool. Was there flowers thrown at that
• 29:22
  one? Oh? Of course? Oh yeah, they brought They brought out
• 29:26
  the flowers on the on the Farewell tour. I missed out of the Farewell
• 29:30
  Tour, and I would have loved a flower from Aaron Weiss's mouth. Isn't
• 29:37
  it funny? We literally have been like in the same room building. Yeah,
• 29:41
  that's so weird. All right, Number three? Okay, so then
• 29:47
  I'll probably go mean everything to Nothing by Manchester Orchestra. Oh it's great call.
• 29:52
  This is just like one after another of like every like a fan of
• 29:56
  one of these bands is like gonna be a fan of the rest of these
• 29:57
  bands. I know you're like you're on the Spotify like if you click on
• 30:04
  me without you and you're like fans also like you're just like me, you
• 30:07
  are the algorithm. Yeah, yeah, that's so accurate. Yes, man,
• 30:15
  you so Colin and I saw man you or yeah, man, oh,
• 30:19
  I guess you would say if you're if you're a really true fan,
• 30:22
  but we say we saw man Chester Orchestra play with Jimmy World at Red Rocks.
• 30:26
  Yeah, one the world. Did you see a super super drunk uh
• 30:33
  winddrob person stumbling around by any chance, maybe this was that was me.
• 30:38
  This guy right here stories, I mean where he was. That was one
• 30:45
  of that was one of my rougher nights over the last like ten years.
• 30:48
  Was tough. It was rough for me too, because it was for you.
• 30:52
  It's way rougher for you to take care of him and he had to
• 30:59
  take care of himself. Afterwards, I was fine, I was I just
• 31:02
  had to clean up because I'm good. What a good show that was.
• 31:07
  Oh, it was fantastic. I'm a massive world as much as like I
• 31:11
  love Jimmy att World. It was so much fun to see them for the
• 31:14
  first time. I've never seen them before. I think Manchester Orchestra was like
• 31:18
  they just sounded better, like especially those moments where and I always forget the
• 31:22
  guy's name, but like when he starts like doing those screams, like literally
• 31:27
  chills throughout and you can just like the reverberation off the rocks and red Rocks,
• 31:32
  like his streams in particular, just were fantastic. Like I thought Manchester
• 31:36
  sounded better that night. And that's not to say that Jimmy World was like
• 31:40
  bad, Like they were amazing, Like that is just how good that show
• 31:42
  is, right, yeah, yeah, it was just yeah, it was
• 31:47
  like apples and oranges, you know, like it really was. They were
• 31:49
  just on a Manchester was just on another league that night. They were amazing.
• 31:53
  Yeah it was great. Yeah, it almost felt it almost felt too
• 31:57
  good. Yeah. Yeah, it reminded me of like a like a mega
• 32:02
  church worship service. It was a spiritual experience, like the spirit was my
• 32:09
  Yeah, my entire family came. So there was like a million of us.
• 32:15
  I don't know, if you saw a huge group of people, that
• 32:17
  was probably us. I did say a huge group of people, but there
• 32:21
  was about there a lot of g there's about them. So yes, oh
• 32:27
  it was great. A last one number one. I would go, come
• 32:30
  now sleep by a cities of course. Of course obviously you're not helping the
• 32:37
  algorithm here, like the algorithm feeding into it. That's like my my number
• 32:44
  one album. I listened to it. My kids know the album because I
• 32:45
  listened to it every single. That's so good. Yeah, it's it's my
• 32:49
  favorite album of all time. Yeah that that album just hit me when I
• 32:52
  was in middle school and high school like in just such a different way,
• 32:57
  and it's so funny like looking back, like you know, if you ever
• 32:59
  hear like the band do interviews about it. They were just like, you
• 33:02
  know, after TJ left and everything, they just sort of were like they
• 33:06
  felt like they were maybe like in disarray or whatever. And then this album
• 33:08
  kind of came out and and and it just seemed like one of these things
• 33:12
  where they just kind of like put it out without really knowing that it would.
• 33:15
  You know, it was certainly less popular I think in a lot of
• 33:19
  ways, but it was. Yeah, but like the influence or the impact
• 33:22
  that it's had on so many different people is really outweighs whatever, you know,
• 33:28
  lesser popularity it had in comparison to son I loved it At Your Darkness
• 33:31
  totally. Yeah. Came from a different a different part of the heart,
• 33:36
  you know. Yeah, right, it's just the best album. Like every
• 33:42
  single song is amazing. Yeah. I actually sent Cody, the main guy
• 33:49
  R EP and he listened to it and he said it was really good and
• 33:52
  it was the actually emailed. Were waiting on an email back from him too,
• 33:57
  really all message him for you. I'll tell yeah, can you like,
• 34:01
  can we make it seem like we've got a new EP for him?
• 34:05
  Okay, and we'll just send him. You need to check this out.
• 34:09
  Yeah, but he listened to it and he said it is really good,
• 34:12
  and I was freaking out. My husband was like, what's like, are
• 34:15
  you good? And I was like pacing around the house like and he's like,
• 34:22
  yeah, I remember the day we got married too. He's like cool,
• 34:25
  Okay, Yeah, So that band hold a special place in my heart.
• 34:31
  Yeah, great call one of our favorites. So love that. That's
• 34:35
  got to be like one of our favorite lists in terms of like a ton
• 34:38
  of bands that we listened to, right, yeah, easily. I am
• 34:42
  curious if we were in the same room for Anatty's burn show now too,
• 34:45
  though I only saw them once and it was like a couple of years ago.
• 34:52
  They were at the wall Nut Room. I was at the Wallnut Room.
• 34:58
  Oh my gosh, you got I was actually at the next door at
• 35:00
  the Peanut Room. So we heard the Almond Room wasn't quite as you know
• 35:07
  alvind rooms, the Almond rooms for the crunches. Yeah, I don't.
• 35:12
  I don't get along with them very well. So we don't like those ones,
• 35:19
  all right, Mackenzie, what do you want to plug? So it
• 35:20
  sounds like new music could be coming out sometime this year, so plug that.
• 35:24
  I don't know if you guys have any local shows coming up anytime soon,
• 35:28
  but yeah, what do you want to plug about the band? Yeah?
• 35:31
  I We're playing at the venue called the High Dive on June thirteenth,
• 35:38
  and other than that, I think I'm going to become the new lead singer
• 35:46
  for no doubt. They gave me a call. She's like, yeah,
• 35:52
  I need a break. So I was like, is this like an Amberlin
• 35:57
  situation where all of a sudden now like yeah, I think so, And
• 36:01
  I'm just I'm swooping in and so catch me on. Do you think your
• 36:06
  voice translates the ska really? Well? You know, it'll get there.
• 36:12
  I can't. I can't. You have no doubt that you can do it.
• 36:15
  You got it? Yeah, it's gonna be. Gwen said it was
• 36:20
  good enough. So that ship is bananas. Wow, Well we look forward
• 36:29
  to seeing you, uh with you know I. You know, I thought
• 36:31
  the drown out was like, you know, maybe the next big thing,
• 36:35
  but it sounds like, you know what, you're onto much greener pastures.
• 36:37
  You know. What? Can I say? Everyone wants me? Well,
• 36:44
  let's hope this doesn't lead to a divorce that you're like quitting the band that
• 36:46
  you started with your husband. No, they'll just come along there you go.
• 36:52
  Wonderful. Well, we look forward to hopefully seeing you at some point.
• 36:55
  I know it's a little harder tour right now in life, but if
• 36:59
  for whatever reason, we find ourselves out in Colorado, we'd love to see
• 37:02
  you. And yeah, for whatever reason you find yourself in the Midwest,
• 37:06
  we'd love to see you. And so thanks so much for chatting more about
• 37:09
  the music. And uh, at the very least, we'll see you with
• 37:12
  no doubt. Okay, great, thanks for having me. Guys, got
• 37:35
  shot, go right. Welcome to the Black Sheet Podcast. Once again,
• 37:50
  we have we have some we have some fun guests today. A band that
• 37:53
  uh came across recently and uh, you know, they're relatively new. I'm
• 37:59
  really excited for everyone to listen to them. This is sun answer. You
• 38:02
  guys want to introduce yourselves? Yeah, sure, I'm Justin Maslik vocals,
• 38:10
  lyrics, Yeah, scream and sing, do all that fun stuff sick and
• 38:19
  I'm Kyle Maslick. We're brothers and I play guitar on the band. So
• 38:24
  I got to ask before we begin, Justin and Kyle, since you guys
• 38:30
  are brothers, did your parents when like they were having both of you were
• 38:35
  they were they like just watching south Park one day and we're like, we're
• 38:38
  gonna name our kids after south Park characters because like when I think of like
• 38:45
  brothers in south Park, I'm like, and I haven't watched south Park for
• 38:47
  like probably at least ten years, but it just seems like Justin and Kyle
• 38:52
  are like the two names that would probably be the the names of to south
• 38:55
  Park brothers. Yeah, just sounds like a south Park is something we we
• 39:00
  predated. Uh south Park. We're in the eighties, so maybe we came
• 39:06
  influence, like you were like Beavis and butt Heads like brothers, right,
• 39:09
  or they're they're like like their friends or something, right. Yeah, So
• 39:15
  and then we got it. I mean I feel, okay, we got
• 39:17
  two brothers, which which one of you is the older brother I am even
• 39:22
  though young I am the older you are the guy? Yeah, shots fired
• 39:25
  already, he gets it all the time. So yeah, we actually we
• 39:31
  actually have a third brother. He's the youngest son, the middle child.
• 39:36
  So is he is he the black sheep of the family because he isn't in
• 39:39
  a band? Or or is he in a band? No, he doesn't
• 39:43
  play any instruments. I think he played when when he was in school,
• 39:49
  but no, nothing anymore. So he could have been he could have been
• 39:52
  an influential SKA music. He just wasn't. We actually did practice sister of
• 40:00
  the down Aerials song. He would play it on trombone. We were very
• 40:07
  good back then. That is. I can't even imagine what that would sound
• 40:14
  like for something. Oh yeah, it would you guys sing it too?
• 40:21
  No, no, no, I can't. I wasn't with them. It
• 40:22
  was just them too. Honestly. I think I think you guys need to
• 40:29
  have like a secret song somewhere, and you guys need to record that.
• 40:32
  Get your brother back on the trombone. Guess you got a harmonize doing some
• 40:37
  surge and and Darren Milackey in a way. That'd be fun, that'd be
• 40:44
  that'd be cool, you know all I said he knows a big chunk of
• 40:52
  him. Yeah, well, at least the early ones, right me.
• 40:55
  Yeah, yeah, they were my favorite band for a long time. You
• 41:00
  know. I feel like no one ever says that, no one ever says
• 41:05
  that that system of Donald was their favorite, and they are incredibly influential to
• 41:09
  a lot of people, but they just for some reason don't make that list
• 41:13
  for most people. I don't quite understand it. I don't know if there's
• 41:16
  like two out of the box or what. But regardless, well, let's
• 41:21
  let's talk about uh, let's talk about sun Mancer. First of all,
• 41:23
  killer ass name love the name that's that's the kind of name that draws me
• 41:29
  in right away. We have a lot of bands that are like named after
• 41:31
  someone like in the band, and I hate those. I usually will not
• 41:37
  listen to them unless they're really really good. But you guys have a killer
• 41:40
  name. How did you guys come to be? I know, I know
• 41:44
  you guys have been in some bands in the past. You guys want to
• 41:46
  kind of go through like a brief history of how you guys all got started.
• 41:51
  Do you want to do that? Kyle? Sure? So Justin and
• 41:54
  I have been playing together in bands since like what two thousand and three.
• 41:59
  We're both kind of old, but we were in a band called Broadcast the
• 42:04
  Nightmare in the mid to late two thousands and we were signed a Samerian put
• 42:08
  out an album April two thousand and nine. We toured on that for a
• 42:13
  while, but it was kind of difficult to keep members. You know,
• 42:15
  people would join thinking, oh, now I'm going to sign band. I
• 42:17
  don't have to do anything. But that's really when your work begins. So
• 42:22
  we had a revolving door of members and after a while of dealing with that,
• 42:28
  we decided just to call it quits and in broadcast. So fast forward
• 42:34
  what I don't know, fourteen fifteen years later, Justin and I decided,
• 42:38
  yeah, just I don't know, I'm itching to play. Justin was itching
• 42:42
  to play, so decided, well, it's just sort of new band sun
• 42:45
  manc. The name is all him. We actually there are a couple of
• 42:50
  us who weren't like really sold on the name when he came up with it,
• 42:52
  and I was like, I don't know if we like it, but
• 42:54
  over time it grew on us. Why didn't you like it? What was
• 42:59
  wrong with sun Answer? It sounds like at first I thought it sounded like
• 43:05
  day Man from Uh it's always save like his brother or something. Yeah,
• 43:14
  I was just putting words together, man, I was, it's difficult to
• 43:16
  find a name now, you know, like everything's taken you like, even
• 43:21
  just looking for like just a random words like that's already used. And we
• 43:24
  just went through all kinds of craps. So I just started sticking words together,
• 43:28
  and the only thing I found with that name was like it was like
• 43:31
  some video game guy Avatar, some dude made it and some like dungeons and
• 43:36
  Dragons things. I think I was just gonna say, that's gonna be my
• 43:38
  new Dungeons and Dragons. That was like the only thing I found that was
• 43:44
  like and it was like some random like just article and it was just like
• 43:47
  some guy's user name. That was it. And I was like, all
• 43:51
  right, well, it doesn't like anyone else is using this, so let's
• 43:53
  go with it. You know, that's interesting because that's a surprisingly difficult thing
• 43:59
  to do, especially something where you know it's it's one word or two words
• 44:04
  smashed together that's easily searchable. These days, it's very very difficult to do.
• 44:08
  There's too many bands that that that put out something like oh, our
• 44:12
  band's name is Canoe, good luck trying to find you in the algorithm?
• 44:15
  Now, right? Is there is there? I don't. I'm like curious,
• 44:20
  is there like anything about like if if there's like a band with its
• 44:24
  band name and like another band like pops up, like could the like original?
• 44:30
  Like how how does that work? Of like who could sue who,
• 44:32
  like, like that's gonna be a thing, right because could there like wouldn't
• 44:36
  be Like I mean what if, like right now there's like a bunch of
• 44:38
  like gen Z kids or whatever they were like I'm gonna try I'm gonna make
• 44:42
  a metal band, but we're gonna call ourselves the Beatles, Like is that
• 44:45
  even a possibility without them getting sued? I mean there's trademark stuff and copyright
• 44:50
  stuff. I think once you actually come out with material and like put it
• 44:53
  out and ether like recorded work, then it's like this is copyrighted because it's
• 45:00
  there and it has our stoke, it has like us on it. And
• 45:04
  yeah, but we didn't. I mean, we didn't go out and like
• 45:07
  do all like the lead work legwork to like go through all the copyright stuff.
• 45:12
  But from what I've read, that's why I haven't really done much with
• 45:15
  that, is that you know, if someone tries to like come out with
• 45:17
  a song and it's the same as ours, or if they have the same
• 45:22
  name, I mean we already we already established that. I least that's from
• 45:27
  what I've read. I mean, yeah, I mean maybe we should do
• 45:29
  a little bit more research. I don't know, you know, I think
• 45:31
  I think ghost just just had a situation with that. Obviously, Ghosts is
• 45:37
  a huge band now, but initially there was another band called Ghost out there,
• 45:42
  and so they had to add ghost and they put or they add added
• 45:45
  BC to the end of their name technically, but they would only don't actually
• 45:50
  call themselves Ghosts or something like that. But isn't that with like Kubla Khan.
• 45:53
  Is that how you say their name? Yeah as well, yeah,
• 45:57
  because they have the textas after it now Yeah right, oh that's right.
• 46:00
  Yeah. I think Shakakhan did the same thing. Is that how they're presented
• 46:06
  now? They just anywhere they go they got to say texts after it.
• 46:08
  Well, I think anytime they're in print they got to do that. But
• 46:12
  otherwise, you know, they just say, let's suck it up. So
• 46:15
  yeah, I remember there was a band called Architects. Yeah that was I
• 46:21
  think from the US, and it wasn't even like a straight up metal court
• 46:23
  man like the one in the UK, and they had the same thing.
• 46:27
  So I think you Architects had to start putting UK behind there their name.
• 46:30
  I don't know if they're still doing it, because I think the other band
• 46:32
  that was from the US like disbanded, so they're not really doing much anymore.
• 46:37
  But yeah, you know now that now you guys are bringing that up,
• 46:39
  it does remind like Beloved, which I don't know if you guys ever
• 46:43
  loved the US. Yeah, yeah, they would, but yeah, they
• 46:45
  would put us afterwards. And I'm guessing the reason why they did that was
• 46:49
  because there was probably another Beloved outside of the US. Yeah, well,
• 46:52
  you know, obviously the same name. Yep, Yeah, it happened.
• 46:57
  I don't think it's gonna happen with sun Master, thankfully, that's hopefully.
• 47:00
  Yeah. I mean it might be. It might be popular in dungeons and
• 47:04
  dragon circles and that's that's all right. Well, that'll be popular in the
• 47:09
  in the metal core community, which is great. Well sweet, So you
• 47:15
  guys, you guys had a pretty rising star kind of banned initially and then
• 47:22
  thirteen years later you said, you guys decided, But why why the time
• 47:27
  jump? Obviously I'm assuming it's probably like families now involved and stuff like that,
• 47:30
  and you're just trying to start your life or what what what was the
• 47:32
  deal? Yeah, I mean, we just wanted to go back to school.
• 47:37
  I think Kyle Kyle had his son around that time, around twenty ten,
• 47:42
  So it was just yeah, family, school, trying to do a
• 47:45
  career, just trying to see what the next route was going to be in
• 47:47
  our lives, just because tour life was rough and keeping members was rough,
• 47:54
  and we just wanted to see another you know, go another venture, something
• 48:00
  else into our lives. And now we're like, hey, we want to
• 48:01
  do this again. We want to write some music and play some shows again,
• 48:06
  because we're itching for at least I was, you know, where'd that?
• 48:09
  Where do you think that it came from? Like why? Why?
• 48:12
  Now? Just because I love playing music and I just never, never,
• 48:20
  never wanted to stop. And it's just for some reason it happened. Well
• 48:23
  I know what reason it happened, but it's just yeah, I mean,
• 48:27
  it just it was always just there, lingering and we should have I mean
• 48:31
  I was already already doing stuff with other other people, like little projects with
• 48:37
  friends of mine, but it was nothing to this capacity, nothing that I
• 48:40
  wanted to like present to the world, because I mean I got all kinds
• 48:45
  of random stuff that I've done over the years, but nothing of this caliber.
• 48:50
  And I think the same would go for Kyle. I mean a lot
• 48:52
  of the stuff that's on our EP with stuff he wrote over the last thirteen
• 48:55
  years. Right, wow, yeah. Uh. I didn't do any like
• 49:00
  projects like how Justin did. I would just write and tab it and like
• 49:06
  it's kind of a guitar pro yeah, and then record some crappy quality recordings
• 49:12
  on my crappy laptop. And I was on my honeymoon actually in twenty twenty
• 49:17
  two, and a mutual friend, a drummer, had been reaching out to
• 49:22
  me. You're spending your honeymoon tabbing some guitars? No, no, no,
• 49:24
  no, is that what they called it these days? Is that what
• 49:30
  they that's what the kids are. I'm not that much of a nerd,
• 49:35
  but now he was reaching out to me, Well, it's on my honeymoon.
• 49:37
  He's like, hey, you know the stuff you sent me in the
• 49:40
  past, Like I really think it's it's really good. We should start a
• 49:44
  band with it. And he was pretty persistent. So decided like, all
• 49:47
  right, sure. I mean he said that he knew guitar players and he
• 49:52
  had sent my material over to Jeremy. There was a guitar player and Jeremy
• 49:57
  liked it. So then the drummer set up a text thread with the four
• 50:00
  of us, and yeah, so the drummer, he know, he's no
• 50:06
  longer with the group anymore, but you know, Jeremy, Justin and me
• 50:09
  we did the EP. Nothing ever happens together, but it was it was
• 50:15
  kind of fifty to fifty with the writing, as you know, with with
• 50:19
  Jeremy, Justin did all the vocals. But when the time came for us
• 50:22
  to actually record the EP, we didn't have a drummer. So the guy
• 50:27
  who is our producer for this named Pat Snyder. He is also a really
• 50:31
  talented drummer. So we went and was like, hey, I know it's
• 50:35
  we're supposed to record next week, but we don't really have a drummer right
• 50:37
  now, which you mind, you know, writing some of this stuff and
• 50:40
  capture. So he threw drums down for the EP for us, it was
• 50:44
  kind of a life saver. And then after we finished that, we were
• 50:49
  on the hunt for a drummer and bassist and Justin found both of them.
• 50:52
  Do you guys have fears that that maybe these guys aren't going to stick around
• 50:58
  like last time, Well, so we we bring that topic up a lot,
• 51:04
  you know, make sure that it's every that everyone's on the same page.
• 51:07
  We're all kind of at the point in our life where we don't really
• 51:10
  need to or want to tour six weeks at a time, come home for
• 51:15
  two weeks, and go back out for six weeks, you know. But
• 51:20
  so far everyone's on the same page as doing like a week long tour maybe
• 51:23
  two or three times a year at most, and then trying to get on
• 51:27
  festivals and then playing local shows. Sure that makes sense to me. Well,
• 51:31
  and just like the industry is probably so much more different or just even
• 51:35
  I shouldn't say the industry that the technology of things is so much different than
• 51:38
  when you guys were recording in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
• 51:42
  where you know, now, like you guys like you know, justin
• 51:45
  you were saying, you got like this, uh, you've got like a
• 51:46
  recording kind of little booth that you can do stuff in, so you like
• 51:51
  you can get really good professional recording stuff just like in a house, whereas
• 51:54
  I mean the possibility of that in two thousand and nine, not to say
• 51:58
  that was impossible, but like the posibility of it was much lower where you
• 52:01
  had, like if you wanted to get any sort of good sounding material,
• 52:05
  you're gonna have to like book time in a professional studio and so on and
• 52:08
  so forth, and that just takes a lot of time and energy and money.
• 52:12
  And so now like just the possibility of like being like four people in
• 52:16
  a band that live wherever, you know, wherever in the country, uh,
• 52:21
  you know, doing whatever your full time stuff is and doing family stuff
• 52:23
  and all of that. But also like on the side, like you're able
• 52:27
  to like build out like a decent studio to at least like record demo stuff.
• 52:31
  Like it's pretty impressive, like what you guys can do now as artists
• 52:36
  versus probably when you guys were you know, first recording in two thousand and
• 52:38
  nine, two thousand and eight. Yeah, one of the biggest changes was
• 52:44
  that the social media aspect of it. So MySpace was a thing Facebook hadn't
• 52:50
  really you know picked up, but you know, like job for Cowboy comes
• 52:53
  to mind. They were one of the bands that got big off of MySpace.
• 52:58
  But we have put promotion to MySpace. People had followed us on it,
• 53:00
  but it's nothing like how it is now with like Instagram and TikTok and
• 53:05
  and still Facebook or YouTube. So it has been a learning curve for us,
• 53:09
  you know, being mindful of the content that you need to create that
• 53:14
  surrounds a single release or an EP release. So it could be exhausting because
• 53:20
  we're still not quite used to it and we're learning as we go, but
• 53:22
  we are getting better at it. But you know, on the flip side,
• 53:27
  we're thankful for that because being able to reach out to so many people
• 53:30
  on these platforms does make it easier for us as a band, you know,
• 53:35
  so we don't have to be you know, we don't really need a
• 53:37
  label. We can boost ourselves and so we are appreciative of that. Yeah.
• 53:45
  Well, and I got to say, you guys have done a pretty
• 53:46
  stellar job thus far. I mean, every single bit of sun Mancer so
• 53:52
  far that I've seen and heard is very very slick looking and sounds really really
• 53:59
  good. You guys have crossed all your t's and dotted all your eyes.
• 54:02
  And I mean I would have thought you guys would have been a band for
• 54:07
  ten years and I'm just finding out about you just based off of the quality
• 54:12
  of materia you guys are putting out, both visually and especially aud audio wise.
• 54:16
  So going into that realm more, what was the recording process like and
• 54:22
  what was how's it been creating music in this era as compared to era in
• 54:29
  the past. So for I guess we'll start in the past. So recording
• 54:35
  twenty twelve, the one we did as broadcast, we went to Planet Red
• 54:38
  Studios which is in Richmond and Virginia, same producer who did but Black Doll
• 54:44
  Your Murders Me asked my album, same studio. We were super stoked about
• 54:49
  that. Drummer, yeah, Andreas Magnuson, Yeah, he was our producer
• 54:52
  for that that We were there I think two weeks. So we had to
• 54:58
  track everything there, the drums, bass, guitar, and then Justin was
• 55:02
  flown out separately to La to do his vocals and he was separate from all
• 55:07
  of us, so that was fun for him. But for recording with Sun
• 55:15
  Mancer, we were just able to track the dry guitars at Jeremy's house and
• 55:21
  you know, Pat got us Pat you know, once again he's the producer.
• 55:23
  He set us up with the because we used Studio one, so he
• 55:28
  set us up with the project for it. And then we just recorded the
• 55:30
  drag guitars there and once we were done with that and UH recorded the bass
• 55:37
  doing the same thing and then Pat just mixed it at his studio and mastered
• 55:40
  it, and then even further like now with you know the kasin Darkly or
• 55:45
  Knewest single. I actually recorded the guitars at my house and just did all
• 55:50
  di I and then sent it over to Pat and he was able to to
• 55:54
  do his magic, and then Justin Will recorded his house. No, yeah,
• 56:00
  I'd go over to Pat's house. And actually the first time the ep
• 56:04
  I took my little vocal to this thing, which is this thing right here
• 56:07
  that I contracted. It's like PCP piped and and like those blankets used for
• 56:14
  moving and uh. I brought that over to Pat's house and recorded all the
• 56:19
  vocals inside there. But then when we did Chasm, He's like, I
• 56:22
  don't worry about it, man, I don't think the cous is going to
• 56:23
  be that bad. So I didn't bring it and I just recorded in his
• 56:28
  basement. But uh yeah, it worked out. And then our drummer,
• 56:31
  he the one dark Ramon the guy we have now, he did all the
• 56:36
  backing singing on the chorus, which was something new to us because I was
• 56:39
  the one that always did all the vocals, and but he wanted to sing,
• 56:45
  so we wanted him to add his little flavor to it. Nice.
• 56:50
  I love it. You know when I when I listened to you guys,
• 56:52
  I get I get a little bit of a throwback feeling, uh to what
• 56:55
  I would call the golden years of metal core and things of that sort.
• 57:00
  Was that kind of a thought process you were kind of aiming for, because
• 57:05
  I think that there are so I think it's just because I'm old and yeah,
• 57:12
  we're just old guys. So I just write stuff that I thought,
• 57:15
  you know, sounded cold to me, but I came up on that.
• 57:19
  You kill Switch Engaged is my favorite band, and so I kind of write
• 57:22
  similar rifts to them. But now there wasn't really any you know, intention
• 57:27
  behind it, like, oh, we want to bring back metal core.
• 57:29
  It was right stuff things sounds cool and you know, but we hear,
• 57:34
  yeah, we hear that a lot, like yeah, you guys, you
• 57:36
  know you sound like old metal core. It's like a lot. Ever,
• 57:38
  as long as you like it, I'm cool with that. Yeah. Well,
• 57:40
  I think that people do like it. I certainly like it, and
• 57:45
  I think that there's there's a little bit of a yearning for that because everyone's
• 57:47
  trying to reinvent the wheel. Now. Sometimes I think we just gotta we've
• 57:52
  got to go back to what works, you know, Yeah, be consistent.
• 57:57
  That's why I like Counterparts and much. Man, every one of their
• 58:00
  albums has been great, and yeah, they're really good. It's their inception,
• 58:05
  so they're like one of the the solid ones out there are still still
• 58:09
  going strong, even though Brendan likes to say a lot of things that make
• 58:14
  people mad. But I dig it, Kyle, I gotta say, uh,
• 58:22
  this is a little off a little off topic. But I don't know
• 58:25
  if you've ever seen those memes that is, like if the guitarists in your
• 58:30
  metal band looks like this, you're about to die in the pit. But
• 58:34
  like you totally like fit that meme right now, Like you look like you
• 58:38
  work in cybersecurity, and so I'm like, cloth, yeah, and I'm
• 58:43
  like just looking at you right now, I'm like, oh my god,
• 58:45
  Like if you were on stage playing your riffs or whatever, people are going
• 58:50
  to die in the some answer pit because like you just you got the look
• 58:53
  of just like the most ordinary dude that's about to like just play the most
• 58:58
  brutal riff ever. Well he goes, he goes him on stage too.
• 59:01
  I don't know, if you've seen any of our recent live uh Instagram.
• 59:06
  But he yeah, Kyle likes to do it up. He gets crazy on
• 59:09
  stage, so check him out. Do you have a do you have a
• 59:13
  go to? Do you have a go to move? Cal Uh? Yeah,
• 59:20
  I've had banging. I'm trying to move. I like being able to
• 59:22
  to be goofy. You know, I like Adam d is a big inspiration
• 59:27
  for me, so like I don't want to just copy him, but the
• 59:30
  energy that he had on stage every time I've seen them live, it's like,
• 59:35
  oh, that's so cool. So I do like to move around the
• 59:37
  stage and interact with all the other bandmates while we're playing, because the crowd
• 59:43
  gets into it more too. Also, so I'm I'm I'm blind like so
• 59:47
  far, like my my eyes are so bad and I can't wear glasses while
• 59:52
  I'm playing if I'm going to rock out, so I can't see anything on
• 59:55
  stage and like like looking out, yeah, looking out into the crowd,
• 1:00:00
  Like I can't tell how many people are there. It's just like a like
• 1:00:02
  a blob. And so I have to gauge whether or not I think people
• 1:00:07
  are into us on how loud the response is, Like I can't. I
• 1:00:09
  can't make eye contact with anybody. I'm gonna squint. Like actually one of
• 1:00:14
  our shows, like on this last tour we did with August Burns Red,
• 1:00:17
  I don't know what happened, but I gonna sworn I was in tune and
• 1:00:22
  we started our set, and the way that the set goes is on this
• 1:00:24
  one is the song. The first song ends and we immediately go into a
• 1:00:29
  new song. As soon as we started the first song, it's like something
• 1:00:32
  sounded like shit in my in ears. It's like one of us is attitude.
• 1:00:37
  I don't know who it is. So I ran back to the because
• 1:00:39
  I got a kemper and the foot switch on the ground and I could not
• 1:00:44
  read the tuner on stage, like I'm squinting, like getting on my knees.
• 1:00:46
  It's like, fuck it, I can't. I can't fix it.
• 1:00:49
  So I'm just gonna hopefully the sound guy will notice who which one of us
• 1:00:52
  is off, and he'll turn us down. And yeah, I ended up
• 1:00:55
  having to do two songs like that because I couldn't figure out what it was.
• 1:00:59
  Well, it was me, and so after the second song we had
• 1:01:04
  the break. I was finally with my glasses on and then look at the
• 1:01:07
  tuner and it's like, oh yeah, that was pretty yeah, that one.
• 1:01:15
  It's always the younger brother, right justin Yeah, yeah, it's it's
• 1:01:20
  all good perfection. You just couldn't see anything. Yeah, I have to
• 1:01:25
  get I have to get contacts or something. It might be time, it
• 1:01:30
  might be time. It is crazy. You've never had contacts. I still
• 1:01:34
  I always forget about that and then I'm like, oh, yeah, you
• 1:01:37
  don't like contacts. You always wear glasses. Yeah. I tried it once
• 1:01:40
  and it's like putting something in my eye. You should just do uh,
• 1:01:45
  you should go like uh, you remember the early nineties when all these NBA
• 1:01:51
  players would wear goggles. Goggles? Yeah, badass. If you did that
• 1:01:59
  with like a if lead guitarist wears goggles, you're going to die in the
• 1:02:05
  pit. You're going to be buried right there. Like I'm pretty boldy on
• 1:02:08
  stage, but I don't know. If I have the curse, that could
• 1:02:15
  be like thing like that, you know, like you know red hot,
• 1:02:17
  red hot chili peppers. You know they got the sock and you know,
• 1:02:20
  the naked thing or whatever. You guys, you guys, you know,
• 1:02:22
  Kyle, you could be the the goggles guy in the metal band. Yeah
• 1:02:30
  you will you're talking about yeah about that. If you do that and you
• 1:02:36
  guys blow up, we you know, we'll we'll accept royalties or or you
• 1:02:40
  could lean extra hard into like the nerd aspect and we're like a we're like
• 1:02:45
  a lab coat and everything too while you have the goggles on it. I
• 1:02:52
  had lady come up to me after a show recently and she was like,
• 1:02:58
  you really are just rocking the dad look, aren't you. I was like,
• 1:03:02
  I don't know, like is that is that like should should it be
• 1:03:06
  insulted? Is that a compliment? And she's like, yeah, dad core
• 1:03:09
  And it's like thanks turned on by who knows? I started? Is it
• 1:03:22
  time for top five? Well, I'd love to talk about music videos real
• 1:03:25
  quick. Oh yeah, because the music video guys. Music videos you guys
• 1:03:30
  have put out have been fantastic. I think they're really slick looking and I
• 1:03:35
  love are you who we talked to? I think we talked to one of
• 1:03:37
  you guys. I think when you all reached like found our like found our
• 1:03:42
  video through a boost we had that was you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:03:47
  I don't know that what I said, but but like the old the
• 1:03:51
  old, like rundown warehouse or old like creepy mansion that's like probably an old
• 1:03:57
  plantation that that kind of play music in that kind of setting just looks so
• 1:04:02
  nostalgic to me, and it still looks metal. Man. Yeah, that
• 1:04:08
  was actually my in laws farm, like an abandoned house on their farm,
• 1:04:14
  and they were just like, yeah, if you want to use it.
• 1:04:15
  So we filmed that. That's that that video Revolver and like what was in
• 1:04:23
  January, So it was like January. It was like fifteen twenty degrees outside
• 1:04:29
  and we were filming that and it was unbearably cold, but we we you
• 1:04:33
  know, we rocked it out, kept ourselves. We had like little tiny
• 1:04:38
  space space heaters in there and a generator going, and our guitarist Jeremy brought
• 1:04:43
  little heat and pads for all of us and everyone was just rubbing them on
• 1:04:45
  their nose the whole time. But now it was it was great. Justin
• 1:04:49
  West, the guy that did that video, and he did our Chasm Darkly
• 1:04:54
  video as well as like that, he went on tour with us with those
• 1:04:57
  five dates we did with ABR and Human Mouth, then did a bunch of
• 1:05:00
  recap videos and live stuff like he's he's freaking He's like the sixth member.
• 1:05:04
  He just yeah, He's definitely helped us out a lot. He's a He's
• 1:05:10
  definitely helped us with like the visual aspect of of what we're going for.
• 1:05:15
  And we couldn't ask for anyone better than what he's been doing for us.
• 1:05:18
  That's good. We're lucky to have him. I like that. The only
• 1:05:21
  the only other thing I really wanted to ask was did you feel really influenced
• 1:05:27
  to make heavy music based off of your geography? Because Mason and I our
• 1:05:32
  favorite bands come from, especially the Georgia area. I don't know what it
• 1:05:39
  is, something down there in the water, but it just seems like every
• 1:05:44
  single one of Mason and I's favorite heavy bands comes from Georgia. Curious if
• 1:05:49
  if, like you guys were super influenced by heavy music that was around you,
• 1:05:55
  local bands and stuff like that that kind of came up, I mean,
• 1:05:59
  or is it just happenstance? Like what have they gotten those peaches?
• 1:06:02
  Yeah? I don't. I love those teachers, that's for sure. But
• 1:06:04
  I was a really big fan of Blessed the Mary Kiss the Child, and
• 1:06:08
  that was like, oh hell yeah, big yeah. I mean that was
• 1:06:12
  just the inspiration for me because that was like one of those just crazy like
• 1:06:16
  same with like last y'all everything you every want to know about Silence. When
• 1:06:19
  I first heard both of those albums, its just like blew my mind.
• 1:06:23
  It's just something so fresh and new and wasn't like anything else coming out at
• 1:06:29
  that time for me at least. I don't know about Kyle, I don't.
• 1:06:31
  I don't know if he really dug Norman Jean like that, or if
• 1:06:34
  he really liked a lot of the Georgia bands from back then. But we
• 1:06:39
  didn't really play like we weren't really big like in that scene with the with
• 1:06:44
  like Norman Jean or the Chariot, Like we know guys that were in those
• 1:06:46
  bands, like I think you guys did a podcast with Brandon from I Am
• 1:06:50
  Terrified, which we're trying to do some like dates with him, and I
• 1:06:54
  didn't even I totally forgot he was in Chariot for a while. Yeah,
• 1:06:58
  he was in a band called A Written Read when we were a local band,
• 1:07:01
  when we were a ninety Massacre with Stephen Harrison Fever three three three.
• 1:07:08
  So we definitely have a lot of old connections with guys from way back when
• 1:07:14
  it's just kind of lost touch with a lot of these guys just because we
• 1:07:16
  started doing our own thing with family and careers and trying to pick back up.
• 1:07:23
  It's just kind of tough because a lot of those guys are just kind
• 1:07:26
  of unreachable now and you don't want to be like dming these people on Instagram.
• 1:07:30
  Hey remember when we used to do this and do that, like oh
• 1:07:33
  I got a band again. You know, but I can about guarantee you,
• 1:07:39
  at least for Mason and I talking to him, not a single one
• 1:07:42
  of them would be upset if you if you reached out to them, especially
• 1:07:45
  if you had some sort of connection back in the day. Yeah, I
• 1:07:48
  mean, that's that's kind of like what happened with a b R and Kyle
• 1:07:53
  message JB and we haven't talked to him in years, and JBU was all
• 1:07:58
  he's been very supportive of our band and you, I mean, you saw
• 1:08:02
  what he brought us out on tour for like five days, so I mean,
• 1:08:05
  and he's I mean, he's definitely helped us out a lot as just
• 1:08:10
  just thrown our name out there. I mean, Kyle went and did a
• 1:08:14
  guitar spot on Defender on our last date of the show. So that was
• 1:08:17
  pretty little. See Kyle jamming with August Burns red And on their live set.
• 1:08:24
  Yeah, you can't beat that. I mean, that's that's the kind
• 1:08:27
  of stuff that uh, you know, makes makes or breaks a band,
• 1:08:30
  especially early on, you know, just getting with the right people. We
• 1:08:33
  We've had a lot of conversations with a lot of artists that that say that
• 1:08:36
  that's the biggest struggle is just trying to get on that billing so that you
• 1:08:43
  can get hurt by a couple of other different people that you otherwise or you
• 1:08:46
  know, your audience, I should say, so cool? Cool? Should
• 1:08:51
  we move into top sorry, top three most influential albums for each of you?
• 1:08:58
  Sure? Sweet? All right, well you can go in whatever or
• 1:09:00
  do you want, and you can go either brother first, it doesn't matter
• 1:09:04
  to us, So you want to go first? Just I mean I can
• 1:09:09
  go first. I mean I kind of like named out some of the stuff
• 1:09:11
  that I already is a big insurance. But uh, you said, three
• 1:09:15
  probably would be Glass Show, everything every want to know about, Silence,
• 1:09:21
  deaf tones around the fur. Oh and mm third one m probably Vision of
• 1:09:34
  Disorder Imprint just because it was like it was just like such a heavy album
• 1:09:42
  that like got me into like doing these type of screams that I do now,
• 1:09:47
  I mean all three of them. I mean, of course, when
• 1:09:48
  I first heard you know my Own Summer, that just blew me away.
• 1:09:53
  I never heard anything like that. And just hearing Chino with his little yoga
• 1:09:57
  breath singing to like screaming, I mean, it was just it just blew
• 1:10:00
  my line. Never heard it? Is that? Is that an original term
• 1:10:05
  by you yoga breads? Yeah? I mean I saw that. I saw
• 1:10:09
  that in a comment, like, you know, years ago, and I
• 1:10:12
  thought it was it was clever. So I actually never even said that before
• 1:10:16
  until right now. I just it was in my head, so I was
• 1:10:18
  like, yeah, I'm gonna say it right now. That's a great line.
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  It makes sense, definitely does totally. I love it. I love
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  it. So that's a sick list listening listening through those. I mean those
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  are obviously all three have some some killer vocalists. Did you find your vocals
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  naturally or did you did you struggle and claw and try to figure it out
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  for years before you really nailed it. I was in like a like some
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  high school garage bands where we cover like because I mean I'm I'm forty.
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  I actually I just turned forty one, So I mean I've been doing this
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  stuff since like the late nineties. So when I was in high school,
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  I was doing like limp biscuit and like corn and stains covers and then deafteone
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  stuff, and I wasn't good at screaming. I remember I actually got I
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  was on a three way call with the dudes I was in the band with,
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  and they like fired me or they kicked me out of the band because
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  they didn't think I was good at all. And I just kept working at
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  it, and then I think I got back with them like months later,
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  like oh man, you can scream now, and I just I don't know,
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  I guess something click. But I mean that was when I was like
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  seventeen years old, so I mean yeah, and I just been doing that.
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  And I don't have like a weird like I don't blow my voice out,
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  like how can say. I mean, I'm like a quiet screamer,
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  Like I actually probably sing louder than I scream, and I just more or
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  less get more of a headache than anything if I'm screaming for a long period
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  of time. So I'm able to control it and do variations without having to
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  worry about messing up my throat or whatever. And I don't know if it's
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  just from like just actice in all these years, because I mean I wasn't
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  really active doing this stuff like for thirteen years, but I will. I
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  was always like, you know, just singing along or screaming along to what
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  are you laughing about? You? But yeah, I don't know, it
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  was just uh were you were you screaming in your car? Is that normally?
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  Yeah? I do. I mean I do a lot of that.
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  Yeah, I'll scream a lot in my car just because it's like the time
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  you get by yourself, you know, sure, at least in my am
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  I because I don't I can't really do that around my life. I mean
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  I could around my wife and kids. Like I'm actually like we're in the
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  middle of recording like a new demo right now, and it's like every time
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  I get like a break or I have to like stay up real late at
• 1:12:44
  night to like do vocals because it's just well, I'm not going to go
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  up here and start screaming while my kids and my wife are done. So
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  but yeah, I love it. Yeah, great, all right, Kyle,
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  all right, so one of them would have to be Toxicity by System
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  of the Down. That's what got me into playing guitar. I remember hearing
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  Chop Suey for the first time, like, what is this? I really
• 1:13:14
  want to learn how to play it. So I begged for guitar for Christmas.
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  I think it was just my sixteenth birthday Christmas and my dad actually got
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  me one. The next one would be Alive or Just Breathing by kill Switch
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  Engage. Yeah, for gotting into metalcore there. They're my favorite band of
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  all time. I love that band. And then probably Mi Asthma by the
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  Black Dollar Murder. Just the type of riffing that Brian Eschbach did on that
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  with like the triplets and the gallops that he would play on all those songs
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  and there was so heavy and groovy. And then Trevor, you know,
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  Rest in Peace the man such a heavy vocalist. M Yeah, dude,
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  I can definitely. I can definitely see where you get your influence from just
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  listening to you. It comes through, It comes through those those bands and
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  bands like that. That's that's killer. Definitely guitar centered bands, I would
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  say, where the guitar is really what's holding up everything, and then everything
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  else is just kind of like, uh, you know, wonderful, delicious
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  little side side dishes. I guess you could. Yeah. Yeah, A
• 1:14:24
  lot of a lot of bands now are trying to do the like super extremely
• 1:14:29
  difficult guitar runs and like Rings of Saturn. I could never play anything like
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  that or Polifia. I can never play anything like that. I just like
• 1:14:36
  to have fun, do solid riffing. And I mean I consider myself more
• 1:14:41
  of a rhythm guitarist anyway, But I've always focused on being a really tight
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  player and sort of always practiced, and I'd like to think that I'm I'm
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  tight, So I think that it shows in our material. Yeah, it
• 1:14:56
  definitely does. Definitely does very very clean angular guitars is great and I love
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  it. Thanks, And I think there's always there's room for for, you
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  know, bands that want to go super proggy and I want to you know,
• 1:15:11
  diddle around all over the guitar, but like there's also, uh,
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  there's also a space for for people who are more linear with their focus of
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  of guitar as well, right, M yeah, I dig it killer all
• 1:15:25
  right, Uh, what would you guys like to plug? I mean,
• 1:15:30
  we can plug our our Instagram and our YouTube. Yeah, Spotify, Spotify.
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  Yeah, we have a Yeah, we have three music videos on Descender,
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  Revolver and Chasm Darkly on YouTube. We've got a bunch of live stuff
• 1:15:48
  that was just taken. Yeah, a little little recap of Kyle up on
• 1:15:54
  stage with a b R as well. That was cool. And then yeah,
• 1:15:58
  we've got Spotify. We're actually gonna be releasing another single and in a
• 1:16:02
  couple of months, probably about two months, probably another music video as well.
• 1:16:08
  We're trying to figure that out. It seems to be a lot easier
• 1:16:11
  to do videos now because I'm like, we'll have like old friends from broadcast
• 1:16:14
  days, like you guys have exactly three more videos than you ever had with
• 1:16:18
  broadcasts, And I'm like, yeah, well, I guess it just seems
• 1:16:23
  to be a little bit more, you know. It's just you can do
• 1:16:27
  it a lot easier now. People out like our buddy Justin has the gear
• 1:16:30
  to do it and he's not charging an arm and a leg for that kind
• 1:16:34
  of stuff. Same with Pat, I mean he has, you know,
• 1:16:36
  he just has great gear and experience with producing and mixing and mastering and helping
• 1:16:44
  us put together these songs that you guys, you guys hear and uh I
• 1:16:48
  means family with abandoned houses too, right, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
• 1:16:55
  or a farm. I mean that's the Chasm Darkley that was done on
• 1:16:59
  my in laws farm and that whole metal we're all frolicking around shredding that was
• 1:17:03
  that was like right across the street from their farmhouse. I like, I
• 1:17:08
  like the the thought process or the image that that has brought to my head.
• 1:17:12
  Frolicking while meding. Got some video frolicking around. That's some be footage.
• 1:17:25
  That's killer, well sweet, anything else you'd like to plug? Yeah,
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  sut. So you know, before we did sun Mancer, I actually
• 1:17:34
  tried out for the w w E. And why do you find this?
• 1:17:40
  Yeah, you can find this on Google. You just google my name.
• 1:17:44
  But there's an audition video where my wrestling name was the Garbage Man and my
• 1:17:49
  shick was that hey, garbage and I kicked ass. They weren't really they
• 1:17:55
  weren't really into it though, So why do you why do you think they
• 1:17:59
  weren't into it? I think the whole eating garbage thing they were into me
• 1:18:04
  kicking ass im, but it was believable. But I guess the garbage bit
• 1:18:11
  wasn't but yeah, if you want to see me in a leotard, just
• 1:18:15
  google my name right now. Yeah, eating garbage, Yeah, it was.
• 1:18:21
  It partly because like Oscar the grouge kind of already took that, like
• 1:18:26
  stole that thunder of the whole eating garbage thing, like you know, that
• 1:18:29
  was like his stick. So maybe they were like, all right with the
• 1:18:31
  eating eating trash on TV is just like it's already been taken that well.
• 1:18:38
  He was a big influence for me, the crowd. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:18:42
  did you try out any other aliases? No, it was just the garbage
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  man, and I wanted the prop of having like a garbage can. I
• 1:18:48
  don't know if you guys remember old you know when it was w w F
• 1:18:53
  like beating the ship out of each other with trash cans and and chairs and
• 1:18:59
  ladder. So I want of mine the trash can. Who knows. Maybe
• 1:19:03
  maybe if some answer doesn't work out, I'll try again the garbage you can
• 1:19:09
  battle India from every time I die, Every time I die. It was
• 1:19:16
  a garbage man versus the butcher and the butcher yeah butcher, right, that's
• 1:19:21
  right. I'm we're definitely gonna go find this video because I heard this,
• 1:19:27
  Yeah, this audition tape, because I'm excited. I have to see this.
• 1:19:30
  I have to see it. A big fan of men and leotards.
• 1:19:34
  I love it. Blanky, tall guy and leotards with the trash can trying
• 1:19:42
  to eat garbage. It's right up my alley if you if you knew me,
• 1:19:47
  you know right right now, it was right up the alley right.
• 1:19:53
  Yeah, how you started to follow along? I like it the great.
• 1:19:58
  Well, guys, thank you so much for chatting and hanging out and talking
• 1:20:01
  about some of the new music. We're super super stoked to see what kind
• 1:20:04
  of happens. Obviously, I would imagine you guys like career at this point.
• 1:20:09
  It's like a little different than what like things would have turned out in
• 1:20:12
  like two thousand and nine. We're obviously again like you guys are playing maybe
• 1:20:15
  a few shows here and there, but we're super excited. Hopefully you guys
• 1:20:17
  end up in the Midwest at some point. We'd love to see you guys.
• 1:20:20
  Yeah, we'd love to go. Thanks so much for having us.
• 1:20:24
  Yeah, thank you for yeah, thank you